pvp

[lyric onyx]

That’s for pve … drops from M+ and raid

[minor cape]

ooh

[waxen meteor]

yeah i think i should be able to use the pvp one

but it's darkend

[tribal badger]

this?

[lyric onyx]

For the PvP one you have to make sure the item has a spark of shadow flame and not a spark of ingenuity

[jolly sierra]

read the tooltip

and make sure u have the correct trophy

[wintry dew]

"head chest legs"

[tribal badger]

i just thought u meant the tokens

[minor cape]

still not sure which ones we crafting on sub i just wont craft anything for now

[tribal badger]

u cant farm it

its on the conq vendor

[minor cape]

🫡

[tribal badger]

costs the same amount as the slot u can use it to craft

525 for the back one

[crimson basalt]

I never hate mud...I love mud <3 Cocks out

[waxen meteor]

oh i see the problem

my trophet doesn't support cloak

one works for head/chest/leg

the other works for shoulder/hand/foot/belt

boss how did you craft it to 450?

[crimson basalt]

What is bis gear for pvp rn

sub

[waxen meteor]

Haven't seen this one yet, it wasn't awarded with the two other tokens which is rather unfortunate, ring would be the ideal upgrade slot to put the second pvp upgrade on.
We'll see if a similar quest appears next week.

This is what i found on wowhead for 450 cloak

[wise breach]

I doubt it, we'll just have to spend conquest on it

[jolly sierra]

first the wep

after that everything

got a lot of spores today

hope that makes good for pvp

[waxen meteor]

that you can buy at AH

[potent pivot]

NS still bugged

[tribal badger]

alright

was a good season

c u guys next time

[vague summit]

damn that was quick lol

[potent pivot]

Fucks sake lol

I haven’t even gotten home yet

[tribal badger]

its ok

i cursed myself

back to 30 minute queues

time to hop on the dragon

[jolly sierra]

nah i wanna them for free

lol

[vague summit]

what did u play?

[jolly sierra]

kek

this guy is sonic

[tribal badger]

outlaw

[waxen meteor]

pfff

why did i even think if s1 tier is needed

it doesn't even allow me to queue with that item level

[jolly sierra]

i had a lot of vaults waiting

capped 12 coins but need to wait till tomorrow to make them grey

[potent pivot]

Trying to decide what to use this 60 boost on

Might be time for the 3rd rogue

[jolly sierra]

a warr or a ret

[potent pivot]

I have my warr

I have everything around lvl 60-70 except dk, pally and evoker I think

[jolly sierra]

go ret

[fading blade]

Did you use tier or send it with honor

[tribal badger]

uh

im using 2set

pants/helm cause i had it socketed

and honor pants stats suck

[fading blade]

S1 2 set?

[tribal badger]

yea

[fading blade]

I wonder if those are even worth later in the tier

[tribal badger]

no im just using it over honor gear

cause those slots have bad stats

[fading blade]

Outlaw feel cool?

I’ll prob still sub but always like to hear how the pirates doin

[tribal badger]

felt a bit like a cc bot tbh

but i felt tanky

i was the support character in the dps narrative of whoever i was partnered with

[jolly sierra]

dude is day 1 how tf ppl is so fast

[tribal badger]

i mean first boss is usually pretty easy

[fading blade]

Early shift always does that haha

[jolly sierra]

yeah but day 1 in mythic

[fading blade]

they’ve been doing that lol

[fading blade]

Ya figured. Kinda stoked to feel out rogue damage once geared with conquest

[cosmic seal]

Do you think sub > sin this patch ?

[fading blade]

I think it depends on comps

Idk I tried sin b4 the season start and the dmg was kinda just not there

[cosmic seal]

Ye i felt the same

[potent pivot]

first boss is always a joke :d

i wonder if anyone has finished aotc yet

[spring bough]

yall just going straight for a weapon this week? seems like the movement MH then get OH later on

prob gonna use the bloody token upgrade on my OH for now

[gleaming pawn]

Mainhand is always your first upgrade, OH is much further down the list just above CC trinket

[jolly sierra]

dont do the same mistake as me

and get the mh 1st

[lucid citrus]

What was your mistake?

[jolly sierra]

get the neck 1st then a wep later

[lucid citrus]

Oof

[exotic dove]

Im just capping conquest/vault seeing what I get Tuesday and buying after that. These solo shuffles are really rough right now

[jolly sierra]

better like that

[tribal badger]

the secret is

most classes can 100 to 0 people in 3 seconds rn during their cds

be the cc bot you were born to be

and also dont die

thats how i smashed out 1800

[jolly sierra]

nice

[spring bough]

lol so i got the sword from the bloody token cause no dagger and it was 1.8 speed and they changed it to 2.6 lol

[waxen meteor]

[jolly sierra]

F

daggern't

im watching bajheera stream for the drops

the guy is being fkn obliterated in blade edge's

he ended 2-4 F

[broken otter]

Is there a vaguely agreed upon 'best spec' for RSS yet?

[woven jolt]

Sub and go CC, back to just being CC bots for now

[broken otter]

Word.

Do you guys think Murlok is reliable atm - with the season having just started today?

Or does anyone have a good sub build I could import?

Nah, I just went to Murlok. All of their stats are buggy. Sub Rogue's RSS page said the average haste was in the millions.

[spring bough]

so who has the prayer dance ready for the vault next tuesday to guarantee tier lol

[jolly sierra]

just throw ur dices

lol

[quaint cedar]

so does anyone know what stats we should go for on outlaw now? I'm seeing mixed responses. Some saying stay crit, others saying go mastery

[tribal badger]

nobody knows

[broken otter]

I'm sorry for asking my question in here without checking the pvp faq. It had what I needed, and was updated.

[quaint cedar]

what did you go with?

also do you know what we do with our old tier set? replace or keep using for now?

[surreal barn]

This is the correct decision

[jaunty osprey]

holy fuck, sin rogue feels so ass right now

I was 3360 last season in shuf and I can't go past 3-3 for my life right now at 2100 mmr

we can't do anything to win the game for our team, have to rely on our healers/other dps so much

[tribal badger]

im full crit vers

went with 2set s1

full honor otherwise

[quaint cedar]

ok, thanks

[spring bough]

first day of the season going to give me an aneurysm with the shit people have been doing lmao

mage threw down an ice wall. prevo healer just stood behind it until it went away. i was like bro u can go around? he goes how???? ummmm you have wings?!?!

[left stirrup]

Why mastery for Outlaw? Was it buffed that much?

[tribal badger]

no

crit justgot nerfed

[left stirrup]

That makes so much more sense

[tribal badger]

but i dont think mastery is better personally

mastery was alot weaker then crit for raw damage on st in general

but will need more playtesting

it might be ok

[potent pivot]

instinct tells me it's going to be good

not better per se - but good

i called assa wanting mastery in s1 and no one wanted to believe at first

[potent pivot]

i also don't have monk, i forgot

but i think i go ret

[jolly sierra]

go ret

[potent pivot]

yeah

[spring bough]

already at 1200 boys nots stopping till we have this elite mog set

[waxen meteor]

Outlaw?

[spring bough]

oh yeah and im 4 games into this current solo and doing 2 mil overall more than the next guy lol

overall on left and my last game on the right. ambush double hit on crits and normal for 71k and 78k not bad hit a 90k yesterday

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[spring bough]

either bad dps lobby or i went god mode lol

[lucid citrus]

double fist weapons for outlaw?

[tribal badger]

26k top dps

is a bad lobby yes

rets r doing 40k sustain

wizards r doing 70k+

on overall

but if ur playing hyper defensivly not bad

[spring bough]

sounds fun cant wait to run into that lol

yeah feral clocking in at 60-70k lmao

all that rip dmg

[jolly sierra]

i loved to do that in my arena pre s2

just did berserk boom cloak

same w the fkn assa i matched

[spring bough]

lol shadowflame wreath wep enchant on ah for a cool 399k

[jolly sierra]

heh

it hits a lot

in pvp

like 250k in 2 minutes when is double enchanted

[narrow tangle]

so how's season usbros

[jagged stone]

So is crafted pvp gear gonna be better than conquest gear? Or can I use my shadowflames on pve items and still be good in pvp?

With only conquest/upgraded w PvP gear?

[jolly sierra]

crafted gear will be at same ilvl than conq gear

so u fill w bis stats the slots where conq couldn't

[spring bough]

draconic mark of mastery from hitting 1600 and u can turn it in for a tier piece

[little steppe]

which spec do you guys think is best in shuffle right now?

I'm trying outlaw but it feels a bit lackluster, unless I'm just doing it totally wrong

[jolly sierra]

its just 1600?

what the fuck

they made it dirty cheap

think im gonna push 1k6 w chars this week

[quaint cedar]

outlaw feels pretty good to me right now

in 2s at least

haven't tried shuffle eyt

yet

[little steppe]

I'm prolly just doing it wrong

[jolly sierra]

im going rbgs, dunno if will get 1k6 at week 1

[quaint cedar]

if you haven't played it before it can take a while to get used to it

[jagged stone]

Are there any specific conquest pieces that are better off crafted for better stats then or is it a case by case basis?

[jolly sierra]

just craft every piece which ur conquest gear cant fill with bis stats

[spring bough]

wish this turn in was a pvp piece too lol

[jolly sierra]

think im gonna farm hard w ret monk and warr in week 1 SS

[jagged stone]

I’d craft it all right now if I had 20k per piece that’s it’s going for on my server lmao

[jolly sierra]

how do you have enough sparks to do that?

[spring bough]

holy shit you can use this token from 1600 to turn in for an elite tier pvp piece LOL lets fucking go boys

[jolly sierra]

yeah weird af

[spring bough]

just bought the shoulders lol

so i can keep old tier bonus for now

[waxen meteor]

isn't old tier set got nerfed by 50%

it's almost no worth to have it now

[jolly sierra]

all tiers are nerfed by 50%

[spring bough]

oh rip time to go buy all honor gear

[potent pivot]

no

it's mainly the season 2 tier sets that all have 0.5 pvp modifiers on them

not season 1

[waxen meteor]

sure?

[potent pivot]

outlaw s1 set is still good

[waxen meteor]

it sounds like also s1

[potent pivot]

yes

[waxen meteor]

ok

[potent pivot]

i'm positive

[waxen meteor]

i just heard also from in game a lot of people are saying that

[jolly sierra]

s1 is nerfed too tho

[potent pivot]

no

pretty sure it's not

outlaw 2pc

sub 2p

assa 2p is nerfed by 0.5

[spring bough]

ill test it out and see what my ambush dmg lookin like in this next solo

[jolly sierra]

ret tier is nerfed by half

arms warr is nerfed by half

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-ptr-datamined-class-changes-and-tier-set-tuning-332511#news-post-332511

everything is purged

[tribal badger]

its s1 also

[little steppe]

are you supposed to just spam ambush and finisher when shadow danced as outlaw?

[tribal badger]

if u zone into arena outlaw 2set goes to 4% per stack

from 8%

[potent pivot]

tf

guess they didn't update the spell data on that side of wowhead then idk

[jolly sierra]

make me the community figure

me win

[potent pivot]

this is 10.1 only?

[jolly sierra]

no

old tiers are in the notes too

[potent pivot]

for rogue i only see 10.1

besides assa 2pc

dunno

[jolly sierra]

if kir joined arenas w outlaw x1 multiplier

and turned into 0.5

means just wasn't added in that moment

but they purged all gear

[potent pivot]

i need a sceen shot of that

or i'll look when i get on

usually wowhead is on point

[pale storm]

The sub 2 set used to be 2% per combo, now it’s 1% per combo pretty sure which is -50%

[potent pivot]

well that's lame af

[jolly sierra]

wowhead didn't reflected cloak nerf

and still says x1 multiplier

[potent pivot]

which cloak

[jolly sierra]

look i'll do a test for u, i'll test ww tier which is supposed to be x1

sporecloak

[potent pivot]

ye i mean that's a newer item, sorta understandable

but not editing the tier set page is a little scuffed

[jolly sierra]

they gave me a r3 diamond w the monk when i did a quick public order

think im gonna order another one, its too good to slot w a blue

lol

outside

instanced

and now im gonna be mauled cuz im alone

F

just drop ur tiers already guys

[potent pivot]

I still think some of them are worth keeping over honor gear tbh

@harsh steppe you really like Margot Robbie huh

[jolly sierra]

+13 ilvl worth more than a nerfed tier tho

[potent pivot]

Naw I don’t think so

[jolly sierra]

in the 4 pieces u replace i think so

agi is high

[potent pivot]

For outlaw at least I think you keep 2pc for a while

[jolly sierra]

w bis stats

[potent pivot]

Even nerfed by .5 it’s still worth more dmg

[spring bough]

seems like ambush doing around the same without tier i didnt really notice too big of a diff. gonna try another with just the 2 set. just got that new MH wep and hit that 440 pvp lvl lol

[potent pivot]

Than 2 more pieces of honor gear

[jolly sierra]

weight ur tooltip dmg w full blues

vs 4set

[potent pivot]

I’m saying 2p

That much extra dmg

Ig can also depend what kinda build u play too

[waxen meteor]

NICE...

start the season with a tie

[spring bough]

going to cop this healing cloak on tuesday next week and see how it does. hopefully it is decent

[jolly sierra]

me too

but for next week

i already used my spark

xd

[jolly sierra]

he is like my aunt which shares tweety gifs to greet

https://tenor.com/view/tweety-tweety-bird-looney-tunes-flower-gif-15701027

stuff like this

[lucid citrus]

Sophic or frozen devotion for outlaw?

[jolly sierra]

are u sure the cum boots are nerfed? im already using them in s2

WHAT THE FUCK

THEY GAVE ME THE ELITE SET

HAHAHAHAHA

[lucid citrus]

you reached 1800?

[potent pivot]

probably still bugged from playing 1800+ games during preseason

[jolly sierra]

yeah for that tho

[lucid citrus]

soo not sure if the slime boots are nerfed or not?

[jolly sierra]

i dont think so

just used them

and were in full force

i played 1k8 mmr games when i was testing the cum boots

so maybe was for that

think im gonna use it now

[jolly sierra]

nvm can confirm

is nerfed by 50%

still hits hard tho

[lucid citrus]

hmm imma still wait to not craft anything yet haha

[jolly sierra]

better

[unborn kelp]

lmao wtf i got the same but i qued for a skirmish and it gave me the full elite set i didnt even play the arena

[rose wigeon]

anyone tries sub solo shuffle? hows it feeling

[waxen meteor]

ha? because you were 1800+ last week?

[jolly sierra]

in 2s nah, but played and won a 1800 mmr match

well, 3

[waxen meteor]

i feel sub is really lack of dmg out of the go...

i run into 2 sins

they seem to be not even any better...

i guess i need to go higher mmr

[jolly sierra]

i played alongside a sub

he almost 1 shot a dh

[waxen meteor]

well yeah.. dh has been a great target for sub...

I did quite well against dh as well

priest got a 4-0

other side quit

fuck

i just want to farm 150 conquest

[cosmic seal]

How do we get tier set this patch ?

[jolly sierra]

reaching 1k6

and waiting for vault

[cosmic seal]

I thought there was shit like catalyst again

[jolly sierra]

not till june

[waxen meteor]

1 hour, my priest already has higher CR than rogue...

power of instant queue

[hasty holly]

ugh

i get why the conquest cap is a thing but i just want to wear the new set already

[jolly sierra]

very asian

[worldly gale]

Hey. With PvP gear, are you going with the most versa ? Or you look for Versa mastery gear ?
Also, as RBG player, should a stay assa ?

[trim arch]

Mastery/versa priority

[worldly gale]

Thanks !

[dark copper]

Do ppl that use slimy boots also have toxified armor patch on some armor slot?

[safe hatch]

tier set any good now or just fill with 437?

[vocal surge]

mfw I win a fight

with a huge gear diff

between mirror

[jolly sierra]

well the xmog doesn't look too bad i guess

[wintry dew]

I wasn't going to pvp this season because i don't really like the set, but I've been getting every set for a while now, can't break the chain xD

And it's only 1800, can't be that hard... Right?

[safe hatch]

1800 if you have basic knowledge with rogue should be easy enough

[wintry dew]

I do

But i also play assa only

Which by itself increases my own difficulty

[safe hatch]

Well can't say about this patch but should fine tbh

*be

[wintry dew]

I guess, well, will probably be my goal this week

[narrow tangle]

why

assa is decent

[wintry dew]

At 2.2 i was having the worst time of my life last season

Compared to sub which everyone was playing, or even outlawl

[narrow tangle]

sub and outlaw was the least played specs and had the worst winrate

last season

[jagged stone]

are there any good embellishments worth using for gear? i used my 450 token on the slimy boots cause i thought it was worth it lmao

[wintry dew]

If you say so

[light estuary]

What 450 item did you guys craft?

I still got my shadow flame and trophies from last week

[floral meadow]

What should i choose? i'm already crimson gladiator equipped.

[trim arch]

I did shoulders, but now I’m thinking about didn’t I make mistake

[minor cape]

todays vault is old gear anyways

if you look at tooltip it should say it scales to 424

[floral meadow]

yeah its slightly better then my dagger but without enchant

[minor cape]

it just taken tokens of merit

cause youll need gems

later

🫡

[minor cape]

tokens of merit are still working right?

[floral meadow]

@minor cape they are "dragonflight season 1"

so i guess no

[minor cape]

then i guess whatever sells for more gold

[floral meadow]

merit then

[minor cape]

🤪

[floral meadow]

2000g

[minor cape]

yes however honor gear is stronger rn

[floral meadow]

yes i will upgrade later

[minor cape]

anyway

[floral meadow]

thx

[wary spire]

Wonder if I should go sub or law for the mog.

How squishy is sub compared to law right now?

[wintry dew]

I wish I knew how to properly play sub and law in pvp 😦

[wary spire]

I am too an assa baby, but it feels so bad right now. Less escapes and burst for who knows what in exchange.

[harsh steppe]

she's a goddess 🙇‍♀️

[normal tendon]

law is lot tankier i saw a streamer play it just to have hp and be a cc bot

[floral meadow]

which honor gear pieces should i get as a assa rogue? which stats to priorities? also what crafted gear should i use?

[minor cape]

what exactly makes law more tanky?

[wintry dew]

Talents

[steep loom]

More specifically: Float like a Butterfly, Restless Blades, Combat Stamina, RtB buffs and a little more freedom of picks to choose defensive talents on the rogue tree.

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery

[potent pivot]

Crafted gear is still kinda up in the air atm

[maiden quest]

So how do you guys feel about rog this season ?

[potent pivot]

So far not bad, it’s only been one day though

[glacial aurora]

I might pick up feral as an alt this season they r looking kinda pog

[crimson basalt]

Slightly have a chance with fire mages as sun

Sub

You just lose against demo locks

[minor cape]

you seen a demo lock?

i havent yet not sure if they still strong

[crimson basalt]

They are busted as fuck

The control they have is crazy

Rip rogue kick for 5 seconds :(

Rdruid is crazy too

[minor cape]

the thing that made me rage the most rn is ench

[crimson basalt]

Lock is what made me rage

[minor cape]

lock's fine except for destro

🫡

[crimson basalt]

Demo

Affy yeah I don’t mind fighting

And destro I don’t either

But demo is another lvl of something

[minor cape]

destro is insane demo is fine

[crimson basalt]

Damage wise

Yeah, cc wise

[minor cape]

but i guess we'll see

[crimson basalt]

Demo

[minor cape]

how it goes

[crimson basalt]

Yeah

[crimson basalt]

Don’t do it, its terrrrrible

[wintry dew]

@harsh steppe motivated to get to 1.8 this season?

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it’s that bad tbf

[crimson basalt]

I mean as sub you can’t do healer sub, you have to do dps/dps vs —

[potent pivot]

He said shuffle

[crimson basalt]

Oh shuffle

[potent pivot]

In 2s yeah idk if I’d bother playing healer 2s as sub rn

[crimson basalt]

Hell no it’s aids in solo

[potent pivot]

In 3s it feels a little better

[crimson basalt]

Your kt and ded

[potent pivot]

And in solo

Idk I haven’t had any huge issues (again the season has been out 1d)

[maiden quest]

And rets ?

[crimson basalt]

It’s locks all locks

[potent pivot]

Locks are annoying af, when are they not

[crimson basalt]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

But you can still beat them if you play well/better than them

[maiden quest]

Bruh lock gonna get their asses nerfed faster than normal raid clear

[crimson basalt]

Rerolling lock

[maiden quest]

Blizzard hates lock

[crimson basalt]

Bruh I outplayed a lock so damn hard still lost

[maiden quest]

As soon as thy realize it's broken, bye

[crimson basalt]

I got it with a 12k immo per tick

Sheesh

[potent pivot]

I’m sorry, is the your first expansion with a blizzard game?

Locks and mages are blizzards love children

[maiden quest]

Mages yeah but

Lock ? What patch we got where lock was non existent pvp wise

[potent pivot]

Locks have had at least 1 busted spec the past like 3 seasons

[maiden quest]

wasnt like SL S1-2 ?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[maiden quest]

Rogue always shitted on lock without even trying

war just one shot them

SP just one shot them aswell

struggling against it makes sense only right now

won't last

Regardless I never understood how to have fun playing a ranged class in pvp

[rare vector]

so I guess first conq thing we want is a dagger?

[crimson basalt]

I’d save it

Tbh

And wait

[trim arch]

For what?

[cobalt pewter]

I killed a rogue yesterday

first time in 2 years

[wintry dew]

Did he DC?

[maiden quest]

I don't think you took arenas in account Mud 😄

you meant world pvp

[crimson basalt]

When we holding hands?

[hollow vigil]

I thought it looked amazing

[wintry dew]

Imo normal/HC are the best recolour

Keep in mind i only do it for tmog

[hollow vigil]

I really like the white one from LFR and actually expected it to be the elite one.

[wintry dew]

Fr?
I don't remember the white one very well, maybe it's also pretty good.

But the blue elite is so.....

Meh.

Just like green normal conquest

[hollow vigil]

Ofc my preference could just be skewed. I'll post it RQ

With the white mist effect it would be even better.

[wintry dew]

Okay that's good, but needs mist

Yeah exactly!

[hollow vigil]

😄

[wintry dew]

And with SOME colorations, so it doesn't look like a Warhammer 40k piece before being painted

[hollow vigil]

this backpiece emits a trail of black smoke

[potent pivot]

Yes

[modest wren]

Hey guys, dropped out of a game for a few months, checked out in #assassination pins that we're fucked balance wise 😦 where are we in pvp rn? any spec that outperforms the rest or nah?
P.S.: seeing a lot of sub rogues on murlok.io rn

[tribal badger]

All of rogue feels like a cc bot rn tbh

Sub is very good at that

Damage is a bit oof and sin tends to lean on its damage the most to create pressure

So if all of rogue damage is low it usually suffers the most

[copper maple]

I haven't played the patch, but I feel like assa got screwed the most with blind nerf. Since you need a stun first and you don't run shadow dance.

Unless someone else stuns for you

[dusk spindle]

haha doesnt bother me since i never even used those abilitys!

[copper maple]

🤔

[dusk spindle]

is sepsis good for sin now?

[wintry dew]

Wat

[modest wren]

Sadge time to lvl my feral

[wary spire]

Feral doesn't get a sick ass mog.

[modest wren]

I mean rogues tier looks as ugly as my life... look at pala, wl(epic), priest

[wintry dew]

Rogue tier is not the best imo no. But priest should have been pala xD

[waxen meteor]

Is shadow duel kidney marco still working

it seems to break 90% of times

[copper maple]

Well obviously, there's no mog for cat form

I feel bad for ferals and guardians. Everyone else got to enjoy different mogs and all they've got are legion artifact forms.

[opaque sandal]

Is sub horrible now or nah?

[wary spire]

Priest's the only one that looks better than rogue's.

Warlock's the same as every warlock set ever.

Regarding paladins - I hate paladins.

A real shame pink got wasted on this trash.

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx_xkCktuy4&ab_channel=AsmongoldClips

this is worse than the jailer cinematic smh

[waxen meteor]

why do i feel each caster spec is doing 40k + dps

[wicked tide]

Lmao there is no way they release that content and are proud of the work they did

[rose wigeon]

Casters dominating everything rn

[spring bough]

CC feels awful still to. Getting feared and sheeped into oblivion. But then our stuns and blind are like meh now. Love how that works

[copper maple]

Difference is Jailer was the big bad guy of the whole expansion

And this is some random dragon dude boss

[chrome schooner]

has anyone spend their spark on something ? not sure what embellishments are best at the moment (for assa), the toxic boots look nice and have the correct stats, but I don't know if they don't have a pvp nerf or smth

[hearty ledge]

What's the best spec out of all the rogue ones for pvp atm?

or does that depend

For solo shuffle specifically

[graceful ravine]

So is it caster season

Take kick off your bars

[hearty ledge]

Anyone?

[keen dune]

Looking like sub imo

[jolly sierra]

imo don't use the spark yet

i was forced to craft something fast then i did the slimy boots

were my second damage source in rated pvp

but after s2 starting were nerfed by 50%

still not bad but im doubtful tbh

think everything is nerfed now

so

[quaint cedar]

The boots that used to give the 5% cc reduction now give primary stat when you CC, that seems really good

That's what I crafted

[chrome schooner]

yeah idk

510 main stat seems really low

[jolly sierra]

think we need more testing

with s2 already out

[spring bough]

I went with the 500 stat boots and threw a pvp upgrade onto those. Going to cop the healing cloak on Tuesday when I get another shadow flame and throw a pvp upgrade in that

[jolly sierra]

i was thinking in getting cloak

[spring bough]

Then after that I’m going to do the toxic boots and the other toxic piece that PVE is using

Since it’s every two weeks don’t have to wait too long for all that

[jolly sierra]

wait

think im gonna see in RBG the crafted guild list

and watch nerfs in tooltip

[spring bough]

Even if that cloak is still 50% nerf it seems like it’ll help a decent amount. Constant healing over 70% health and kinda a cheat death kinda mechanic

[jolly sierra]

yeah

the cum boots are still good tho

the effect can crit

and has versa mastery as stats

i will need a spreadsheet with the lego list

but already tested all 3 toxic and im leaning more w the cum boots + patch

shadowflame patch hits wery weakly

doubtful about sephuz boots

mastery embelishment is not too usable cuz u will usually be the kill target so ur life wont be at 90% most of the time

[worthy widget]

hey guys, just returned for season 2, how are the different rogue specs doing

assa still #1?

[potent pivot]

Nop

[modest wren]

seems dead on what I've read today, been away too

[worthy widget]

so sub finally back on top?

[jolly sierra]

nope

[modest wren]

actually rogue as a class is fcked 😄

[worthy widget]

well time to reroll

xd

[waxen meteor]

But there’s no material to upgrade cloak

[potent pivot]

I think so ye, out of the rogue specs

[waxen meteor]

Unless you use conquest

[potent pivot]

Outlaw/sub

[modest wren]

to a fucking caster, I hate that blizz do that every fucking expac, s1 is ok, then s2+s3 caster party

[jolly sierra]

yeah that is not an issue tbh

[waxen meteor]

Mission gives us mat to upgrade all places other than cloak

[jolly sierra]

even greater pieces

[waxen meteor]

Tbh warrior who

[jolly sierra]

blizz knows we wanna the smol gear

[waxen meteor]

If you leave warlock free it’s impossible to heal

They can let you heal free

[modest wren]

Used to play as war, imo the lamest class to play

[waxen meteor]

Use all skills you still cannnot heal

[worthy widget]

whats the best dps in pvp rn?

[potent pivot]

There’s not really 1 best spec

[modest wren]

prob wl

[waxen meteor]

I think both mage and warlock are great

Warlock more

Mage seems to be more on fire side now

[modest wren]

Been wanting to try MM hunter for a while, feels like a good time to go out there

[worthy widget]

is it even doing well rn?

[potent pivot]

[modest wren]

dunno actually, but once again, blizz tend to kill melee every time in the new expac, so

[waxen meteor]

Sp also seems quite performing

I haven’t played my own priest as SP yet since s2 tiny rework

[modest wren]

Im actually waiting for skill-capped to release a tier-list to invest myself into something stable

[worthy widget]

is the rota less aids now?

[waxen meteor]

But it seems they can do a massive aoe dmg

[worthy widget]

honestly

i dont like skill capped

[potent pivot]

Tier lists

[modest wren]

Im a tier-list Andy, ye

[potent pivot]

Just play the game lol

Have fun

[modest wren]

nah

[worthy widget]

btw, did they rework fury?

i fucking hated how they played in DF

[modest wren]

ya know when I had fun last time playing the game? When I had homies to play with

[worthy widget]

get some homies then

[potent pivot]

[modest wren]

kinda hard nowadays 😦 work stands in a way plus a weird timezone

[potent pivot]

Do you mean SL?

It’s very similar to how it played in SL

[modest wren]

man I cant play sub, im always out of energy and SD charges, either Im bad or spec is weird

[worthy widget]

didnt play sl so no idea

[hollow sundial]

sub feels awful ngl

[echo canyon]

do we play assa with sepsis now or does it stay the same in PvP?

[worthy widget]

how is ele doing rn?

[hollow sundial]

as good as any other caster with precog

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COzPUa315J4&ab_channel=Pikabooirl

LOL

this is a 2100 lobby with 0 cr

[quaint cedar]

tbf he was playing wrong stuff

went full haste for some reason

which is just awful for outlaw

also didn't play 2pc

[cobalt pewter]

oh shit

[cobalt pewter]

@quaint cedar calling out pikaboo

[graceful ravine]

out dmged by a ret that went 1-5

[quaint cedar]

lol

pika washed

(jk obviously)

I just don't understand why he went full haste

haste hasn't been good for outlaw this expac

I think we still run crit, or maybe mastery

even with the crit nerfs

[cobalt pewter]

we get it man

u think ur better than him

[quaint cedar]

hey leave me alone man

just let me cope and pretend my spec is decent

[inner tartan]

will outlaw be any good in pvp this season

[jolly sierra]

i watched bajheera yesterday went 2-4 into a blade edges with a mage, a destro and a BM

was painful af to see, they were playing ping pong w him between roots and blinks

[quaint cedar]

casters are going to have a lot of fun this season for sure

[jolly sierra]

ofc

that is the reason we need to buff assa

[inner tartan]

no outlaw

outlaw is cool

sin hit hards already

[jolly sierra]

u got enough buffs already

[quaint cedar]

idk if we got enough buffs lol

[jolly sierra]

i had my own denied

[inner tartan]

we suck in pvp ythou

[quaint cedar]

I did 2s yesterday and outlaw felt very solid

damage was good

but idk if that translates to shuffle

[inner tartan]

ooooo

[jolly sierra]

yeah dunno if is rlly bad

[quaint cedar]

when you're getting micro cc'd infinitely

[inner tartan]

ok that is good

[quaint cedar]

haven't done any yet

in 2s I was doing same or better damage than other dps

[crimson basalt]

Toxic

[quaint cedar]

had 70% winrate at around 1800 -1900 mmr

[crimson basalt]

I think pikaboo is pretty good ngl

[quaint cedar]

so felt decent enough to me

but shuffle is very different, could be terrible there idk

biggest problem with shuffle is the micro cc and the speed of the games

[crimson basalt]

Shit happens

Meta changes a lot dude

[quaint cedar]

outlaw needs time to build damage and we don't really get that in shuffle most games

[quaint cedar]

what are you getting at?

[inner tartan]

can u sent me ur pvp outlaw built

[crimson basalt]

I’m saying we all make mistakes shit happens. Pikaboo I don’t think he played outlaw for a bit. Because they were haste. But even then, it’s not biggie

No info is out either ab

What to rub etc

Run

For this ssn

[quaint cedar]

oh yeah I get what you mean then

back in SL we used to run haste, but then in DF it changed to crit

now with the crit nerfs, who knows lol

hard to say what we should be doing anymore

[inner tartan]

just hit lots of ambushes pistol shots and dispatches : )
|

[quaint cedar]

Here's what I was running yesterday: BQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJIJRSEgkQSJRAJRSSiIJJJiAAAAAAAkUQ4AlkEIJEAAAA

I went crit gear mostly with a little bit of mastery

pvp talents take Enduring Brawler, Veil of Midnight, and third one can either be Disarm, Smoke Bomb, or Turn the Tables depending on matchup

[inner tartan]

do we not take the one wich give hast when we use roll the bones

[quaint cedar]

can do that one too

I didn't use it though because I was playing 2s and I don't really care about the haste

[inner tartan]

well i take it and just use roll the bone on cd unless i hav realy realy realy good procs

[quaint cedar]

but in 3s or shuffle could be good if you're playing with someone that benefits from haste

[worthy widget]

anybody got some assa talents?

[inner tartan]

rets 🙂 warriors

[worthy widget]

or just the old ones will do ?

[quaint cedar]

casters like haste too, though the talent has a bit of limited range so might not be that useful there

15 yds, your caster partners probably won't be that close when you roll

[crimson basalt]

Old ones

[nova viper]

rogue unplayable?

i see

[normal tendon]

guyz is dis the spark that im supposed to use to make a giga good item?

[untold remnant]

cum boots is slimy expulsion?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[untold remnant]

Where can I see what is currently buffed / nerfed

[jolly sierra]

hard to say

cuz wowhead hasn't it updated yet

[untold remnant]

I mean, it is also 'best' for PvE. If I ever dabble into that.

[jolly sierra]

wtf malicia dissapeared in EU

[wintry dew]

well damn

why dont our dots hit like that

[steep loom]

Does anyone know if the outlaw 2pc breaks gouge/sap/blind?

[austere thorn]

Does any1 know how to fix the negative dps bug on outlaw?

[floral meadow]

sorry for newbie/returning player question: How do i unlock the elite and gladiator set of the new season?

[tribal badger]

Gladiator set is buy full conquest set

Elite is get 1800 rating

2400 for elite weapons

[floral meadow]

thx 🙂

i dont know if elite is viable for me.

I'm on 1100

[jolly sierra]

i fucking hate skirmishes

it doesn't have any ilvl requirement so i got matched twice in a row with a guy w 270k hp

there are any form to avoid matching w him?

[quaint cedar]

New 2pc does break gouge

[jolly sierra]

fkn feeder

[tribal badger]

Queue with another dps

Only way to avoid inters

[crimson basalt]

WOOO

BLIND SAP

STILL WORKS

BB

WOOOO

[tribal badger]

Only if you blind out of another cc

[crimson basalt]

Negatice

So wrong

[tribal badger]

Or they arent mashing a button out of blind

[crimson basalt]

Negative AGAIN

Combat is 6 seconds

Blind is 6 seconds

If we use the math here

[tribal badger]

Blind is 5 seconds

[crimson basalt]

You have 1 sec to react

So if you blind and sap

Gg

And Negatice

6

[tribal badger]

Can you show me blind tooltip

Cause the patch notes say 5

Did they just not nerf ir

[crimson basalt]

I’ll check tooltip

[tribal badger]

Make sure ur not getting baited by an evokers cc duration increase roar

[fading blade]

They changed it, it’s 5 sec

[quaint cedar]

Unless something changed today it's definitely 5 seconds

[tribal badger]

Yea its been 5 seconds for me since last tuesday so

[crimson basalt]

That’s weird

Actually

Because 5 seconds

Yet still able to blind sap

[quaint cedar]

only if you stun first

[tribal badger]

If you cc them into a blind

[crimson basalt]

Yeah Ik that

[tribal badger]

U can still do it

[quaint cedar]

you can stun, then blind (which doesn't reset combat) then sap

[crimson basalt]

But

[tribal badger]

Or if someone opressing roared them

[crimson basalt]

Without it

[tribal badger]

Did I have an evoker on ur team

U

[crimson basalt]

If someone incap

That’s troll

And no

It was priest/assa

So

I blind

[quaint cedar]

the only other way would be if you do something cheesy with like smoke bomb or something

[crimson basalt]

And got the sap off

[tribal badger]

Sounds like just a bad healer

[crimson basalt]

But I did have smoke bomb

[tribal badger]

Didnt hit a combat button in time

[quaint cedar]

blind, then smoke bomb towards the end of the blind so they can't get combat, then sap

[crimson basalt]

Yup

[tribal badger]

If they have a raid buff can still get combat i think

But most probably dont know

[crimson basalt]

This is pvp

Not pve :(

[harsh steppe]

slowly but surely

[crimson basalt]

Ss?

Are we able to achieve 2 set?

[floral meadow]

Talking about the conquest point cap: I am able to get all conquest points only in SS, right?

[crimson basalt]

Cuz ppl got 4 set..? Or I’m told??

[wicked rampart]

Likely from raiding

At most you can get 1 pvp tier currently I believe

[jolly sierra]

just 1

if u are lucky in raid u can get more

FFS FUCKING BUG

when i press the gladius interfaces it fkn bugs and drags everywhere

w my cursor and i cant press anything

[wicked rampart]

Yes anything that can get you conquest can get you to cap basically, some are just much faster than others

[dusky flower]

outlaw or sub lads and ladies?

[nova viper]

first day, new season

[graceful ravine]

get fel lanced nerds

[potent pivot]

Shimmer (Poonfarmer)

[potent pivot]

Whatever you play better

[dusky flower]

This is what I needed. Lol bless

[final birch]

hey lads, anyone know how to open with the new flagelation sub spec?

can't figure it out and i'm losing my mind

[graceful ravine]

poor sub rogue

never stood a chance

[waxen meteor]

that's quite standard now

rogue dmg is around 15-25 ish

others -> 40 ish

[nova viper]

U are just noob

[nova viper]

So why blizz just no delete this class/spec xD

[rare vector]

Arent you able to get two? One for conquest and other for 1600 rating?

[jolly sierra]

why conquest

we have not catalyst

[waxen meteor]

Sub can be good with good burst and cc

but probably with so LOW out of go dmg, it's hard to even push down enemy HP to start the go in Solo

it's like always start the go with target at 100% HP...

I run into a sin rogue in solo today at around 1.8

he is very good

but dps is still at roughly 20-22 range with double dot in melee blend (druid/dh/war/rogue)

then i think he changed talent in r4 or sth

to a complete aoe talent or sth

[minor cape]

i think we can be good

[waxen meteor]

with a lot of this

[minor cape]

with set

what yall think

[waxen meteor]

I don't know, I am really struggling at 1.8 now at sub (but i only played 3 rounds, all 3-3)

[minor cape]

but ye thats sad

[waxen meteor]

I can do a very good go to win some rounds at around 80%

but as said, it's almost impossible to push down target's HP

before the go

[minor cape]

but still thats too low dmg even for sub

its like 1 go

[graceful ravine]

final results, he went 1-5

[minor cape]

makes me sad

[waxen meteor]

yeah what can you do with 10.1k dps

you can finish off with target around 70-80%

but you never get there lol

[minor cape]

looks like frost was right, do i actually just go outlaw

[waxen meteor]

and think about this, this is against melee

SP/Lock/Mage is looking at you like this

[graceful ravine]

sub will never kill a warlock

impossible

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[minor cape]

guess we playing law

[waxen meteor]

i think DH is more fun this season so far

[minor cape]

maybe ill just level a warrior

[graceful ravine]

i got bored of my warrior

[waxen meteor]

I did a couple of rounds of RET/DH/Priest, tbh i think priest more fun lol

[graceful ravine]

very quickly

geared it for nothing

[spring bough]

4-2 on this one. last round peaked around 40k-50k dps. ended at 40k but then it went down a bit after the match ended

[waxen meteor]

Yeah i think outlaw can be exception

[minor cape]

now tgats awesome

[spring bough]

ambush crit and hit double proc for 94-96k not bad

[minor cape]

wellinth you got tier set?

[spring bough]

just 1/5 shoulders. is there any easy way to get another piece?

[minor cape]

nop

[spring bough]

also i got rid of S1 tier set too so not even using that and ambush still rocking

[minor cape]

great vault or pve

[waxen meteor]

I think I will probably get s2 slow mh weapon as well

sub road is hard now

may try outlaw a bit

[minor cape]

seems the strongest

[waxen meteor]

@spring bough how is it against caster?

[spring bough]

i keep getting matched with this devoker and we keep trading rounds lol

[waxen meteor]

I feel it could be bad

[minor cape]

btw how is outlaw with casters

[spring bough]

just gotta stay hard on them interrupt and not let them cast lol

[minor cape]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

and btw

[spring bough]

but always the chance they one shot

[waxen meteor]

it's bull shit yesterday

i had 3 games

2 games were double rogues

it's almost auto lose when 2 rogues on same side

[minor cape]

can you guys explain

what exactlt

makes law tankier than sub

[potent pivot]

Talents

[minor cape]

which ones is it?

[potent pivot]

Stamina, CDR

[spring bough]

15% stam, float like a butterfly so evasion up faster and feint is up faster with that too

[potent pivot]

Restless Blades

Float

Etc

[minor cape]

nice

[spring bough]

you can get vanish and adrenaline off CD before your 1 minute shadow dance CD comes back up

[minor cape]

sick

[spring bough]

and vanish and adrenaline are 2 and 3 min CDs so thats a lot of CDR

[minor cape]

seems like not a bad shuffle spec

rn

btw wellinth you playing mastery?

or crit

[spring bough]

crit and vers still and have some haste pieces not too much mastery

[waxen meteor]

I am surprised he took that boot

[minor cape]

but dots proc them

so why not

[untold remnant]

That’s what u have partners for. Today I one shorted a Ret 2 times as sub. With the sectec burst, shadowy duel while my lock partner fired off a chaos bolt. Guy got hit by chaos bolt + sectec and died 🥳 was so glorious to see

[waxen meteor]

Yeah, that's why i think it's just struggling around 1.8

[minor cape]

so you were a stunbot for destrolock

[waxen meteor]

probably like s1, when i went a lot higher it's way easier

but tbh, it means we are really support

if you don't get good core dps partners

you are ....

[minor cape]

but i do hope sub is playable

still

🥹

the sad part is thats where ill be playing - around 1.8

[waxen meteor]

it's super sad

i was a bit ashamed with my teammate

it's like i am one expansion behind

[untold remnant]

Yes, but still the duel got the kill. It is support play style, but it is still fun

Then I just swap BM hunter if I wanna do damage

[waxen meteor]

Yeah I win all my sub rounds basically by that

Sub has very good go

it's just normal dmg is way below the chart...

if others at 40/35ish

we gotta at least be 25

[minor cape]

true, outside of dance damage is laughable

[waxen meteor]

and look at casters, if you leave them free cast, it's EASILY 50-60 some even 70

[untold remnant]

Ye true, but people will still call for nerf if they lose rounds to smoke bomb and duel

[waxen meteor]

I used to be able to kill heal last season

now when i leave two casters open, it's UNHEALABLE

[minor cape]

what were you playing tarny

brew or rotten

[untold remnant]

In RBGs today was able to one shot people with sectec combo tho

[minor cape]

this season i mean

[waxen meteor]

brew

I kept ST

[untold remnant]

Brew build

[waxen meteor]

If i gave up ST i go rotten

[minor cape]

i guess rotten thing will be allright with set

copium

[untold remnant]

Does rotten proc from the set?

[grand haven]

we only get 1 splintered spark this week right?

[spring bough]

yeah 1 a week so can make a new shadowflame crafted item every 2 weeks

[waxen meteor]

set where

we can try next week if lucky

[spring bough]

bout to try and get in a heroic to try and get this 2 set lmao

[waxen meteor]

but how do you make sure you get 2set next week?

pure luck?

[spring bough]

just luck it drops lol. 434 heroic ilvl same as honor gear why not lol

[waxen meteor]

so also need to do 8 myth this week?

[spring bough]

3rd boss in drops hands only one id even try

[minor cape]

saw pika playing law

feels like no dam at all

😵‍💫

[spring bough]

im about to go watch him lol

[minor cape]

it was a video on yt

[waxen meteor]

I am not sure if there's a worse class now in s2

but maybe with good teammates we can be super good

[narrow tangle]

what's warlock counter in general in 3v3

[grand haven]

I miss freedom sprint so much

about to roll gnome ngl

[potent pivot]

rotten procs from symbols, so it should

now the whole opener rotation that palumor has been talking about

i'm not sure that works that way

[light estuary]

do we need to craft a new boots this season? or do we use the same boots from last season?

[potent pivot]

because if you press Dance, you get Symbols for free

then if you press Symbols, it pandemics your existing Symbols buff

so it's technically not a brand new buff being put on, it's just an extension, similar to reapplying a DoT

[potent pivot]

think we craft new stuff tbh

slimy boots+toxic patch do decent dmg

can craft the melee pvp boots as an option too

to play into comps that kite you hard

spore cloak might be good for healing

[spring bough]

so tempted to buy this felsteel longblade and rock the ninja swords with this new tier set mog

[waxen meteor]

I just took a look at rogue solo leaderboard

the ranks pff

[spring bough]

oh shit im top 6 lol

time to keep pushing for this R1 LOL

[waxen meteor]

i mean overall the CRs of rogues are so low

when you compare with like locks

first page is filled with 2k+

when rogues like assassin doesn't have single 2k

[spring bough]

every lock spec with 2k ratings. should tell blizz they need a nerf lmao

[grand haven]

maybe they'll get nerfed if echo or liquid runs 5 of them on the world first race

[faint vessel]

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