pvp

[minor cape]

or for find weakness?

or to use a billion of ambushes?

[waxen meteor]

true

after a couple of games i feel the exact same thing

which probably leads to a couple of questions

1. what pvp talent to take, because control is king greatly saves the energy and allows a slice and dice at open or dance, it seems more valuable for outlaw
2. is dance really needed? it seems more for cheapshot cc?

[minor cape]

is find weakness worth it?

[waxen meteor]

you can have ambush to activate it

you don

[jolly sierra]

already decided how to use my first spark

[minor cape]

oh, without going throught the dance path?

[jolly sierra]

in a belt

[minor cape]

wait so

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah you ar eright

[minor cape]

we get first tier set item

right now

and next one in 2 weeks?

[waxen meteor]

what?

we get first tier set item already?

[minor cape]

spark of shadowflame is for crafting what?

🤔

not tier?

ooooh nvm, it's just for crafting

i see

[jolly sierra]

u cant craft tier w sparks

[minor cape]

so we craft our lariats or some shit

i guess ill wait then before using it

[waxen meteor]

all my addons are dead, does anyone have a breakdown of dmg components for outlaw

[minor cape]

would highly appreciate if someone told how outlaws damage rotation actually works

[waxen meteor]

yeah i am so new to outlaw

never played it since 10 years ago lol

[minor cape]

like i know you just press pistol shot when its glowing and you dont have cp, ambush or sinister strike to build depending on procs and dispatch

but when do you between the eyes?

[proven kayak]

Cuz I’m not playing over a month what is the most viable spec atm

For ssr

[minor cape]

hard to tell, day one of patch

😤

[jolly sierra]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/professions/spark-of-shadowflame

look, i think we can shotgun sparks

[proven kayak]

I have to re-download wow

[waxen meteor]

i think rotation priority in term of dealing dmg should be same as pve

so should be a lot of place we can find

like when you got free ambush/pistol/7cp what should you do first

[minor cape]

im 99% sure its dispatch -> ambush -> pistol

but not 100%

any epic outlaws here?

[graceful ravine]

i farmed over 1000 bloody tokens today

crazy

had a sick layer + 5man with 3 healers

there was 50+ ppl stacked on top of the GY

just farming each other

really fking fun

[waxen meteor]

Isn’t it easier to farm the crate?

[graceful ravine]

well i did 1k tokens in 2 hours

ish

so weird they dont sell daggers

am i supposed to buy 2 axes?

[jolly sierra]

is crit vers? think so

[fleet verge]

Hey gamers, do you know if the S1 elite set is still obtainable during the off-season?

[graceful ravine]

do i bother farming the entire token set

i dont think the 10 ilvl is worth losing the set bonus

idk

[jolly sierra]

ofc is not

just get the off items like cloaks and stuff

[graceful ravine]

i bought gloves/cloak/2x axe

dont think the rest is worth buying cos losing sockets + set bonus

the sephuz on the boots is better than the 10 ilvls too

[jolly sierra]

btw how did u get the spark so fast?

im checking elite wq and one just gave me 75 rep

[shut viper]

Season 1 is closed, I think s1 elite set is no longer obtainable at this point

[wintry dew]

It isn't

It's gone

Forever and ever

[vocal surge]

Restro Shaman still hitting like a truck as a healer

[minor cape]

nop, your best bet now is standart purple version of the set

which looks cooler anyway

😤

[wanton breach]

or look forward to season 2 gear which looks cooler anyways as well

[fleet verge]

Yeah I mostly just wanted to see if I could finish out the last 2 pieces, I had to stop this season because of college.

I was 1756 and mid-queue when the season closed lmao

appreciate the answers though

[vocal surge]

Still winning more games

cluelessly playing warrior than rogue lol

I find Warrior

FAR more mobile than rogue

[proven kayak]

Zugzug classes are op but they are boring

[minor cape]

rogue looks like shredder

lol

the priest set is insane tho

[minor cape]

i dunno man warrior seems pretty fun to play

running around like crazy zug zugging

paladin seems boring as hell tho

and do we consider windwalker monk to be zug zug?

[surreal barn]

I do not

But I also haven’t faced one since 10.1 so maybe that view will change

[proven kayak]

Idk man I didn’t play at all since rogue nerfs

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure it’s limited to one every two weeks

[scarlet shell]

There is no required thinking when playing Arms

“Hmm maybe I should harass the mage, make the healer have less healing cds and bully them”

Nope just charge in and ask questions when you die

And by questioning, I mean “healer noob no heals”

[chrome schooner]

Is there a fix regarding the nameplate issue?

[fiery prism]

we go back to orc now with new trinket bonus?

[lucid citrus]

There hasn’t been a way to fix the nameplate issue so far..

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so nah

Pretty sure we continue to value shadowmeld more than orc especially after the game-wide CC nerfs

[fiery prism]

but if you play horde definitely orc right?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Orc, Tauren or Undead

[pastel burrow]

Or Goblin so you can psych out the enemy with a sick rocket jump

Very bis technique

[potent pivot]

I’m not sure anyone is going to get psyched out when they see a goblin in pvp

[scarlet shell]

Undead will forever just be insane personally

[pastel burrow]

No it's huge brain, everyone's expecting the typical meta shit they may think Ur a psychopath and know something they dont

[fiery prism]

i like that

[scarlet shell]

thank god I did not pick a Draenei rogue.

[potent pivot]

[twin burrow]

trickz u sub?

[potent pivot]

Like, do I main Subtlety?

I would consider my main, or preferred spec to be assa. But I play all 3 specs at a pretty similar level I think

[twin burrow]

hmm, alot of outlaw hype but I think sub feels great. also, do you know if I need to do 10.7 campaign or any previous campaign chapters to start 10.1 campaign? on my quest log it says "Embers of neltharion 0/7" ,

[potent pivot]

Yeah I think Sub feels a bit better than it did before reset for sure

And as far as I’m aware there are some s1 campaign quests you have to complete before starting the s2 campaign, but I’m not 100% sure

[twin burrow]

thank you trickz

yeah its like a net 22% damage buff to sub (8% NS fix + 18% SS buff, 10% GB buff, 14% evis buff)

[wise breach]

You have to do first chapter in the Forbidden Reach

[potent pivot]

NS isn’t fixed yet

[twin burrow]

thank you, thats why i ask because i am in forbidden reach and im like

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-john-travolta-lost-where-wtf-gif-10251428

[potent pivot]

So you can count on an extra +8% evis damage in the future

[twin burrow]

it said fixed in patch notes, its not? wtf

is it only the first ability>

[potent pivot]

The fix either hasn’t been implemented/implemented properly

It was supposed to make it into the 10.1 drop but i don’t think it did

Should def be coming soon though

[potent pivot]

Only shadowstrike iirc

[twin burrow]

ty

ugh, outlaw is different stats then sub right

[tribal badger]

idk what people r planning to go for law this season

crit/vers still pretty far ahead of anything else ST wise in pve, idk how that will compare in pvp with the increased crit nerfs

mastery is decent in heavy heavy target cap aoe but pretty bad st

[potent pivot]

Technically yeah but it’s not the end of the world especially early season

[tribal badger]

haste just bad in general

[twin burrow]

okay thanks

i know healthpools are gonna be way bigger but.. my evis' are doing 15-20% max hp ... that feels great

[potent pivot]

Also just a tip:

Details has been bugged when it comes to secret tech damage since 10.1 release

Have to make sure you have the updated version and that you go to your default combat log settings in game and turn on Pet damage tracking

[minor cape]

tested it doesnt feel too bad eh

those 120k eviscerates

[scarlet shell]

I am too lazy to update my weak auras and addons

Even if I have curseforge installed

[naive plank]

So is rogue better in 10.1? haven't played in 2 weeks and wondering to pay my sub

[minor cape]

do you think we can just go full eviscerate now

and drop cold blood and sec tech

honestly sec tech deals the damage equivalent of two eviscerates kinda

[surreal barn]

I’m destroying with some sepsis rn in bgs so I mean

Anything possible 😂

Never seen a warrior melt so fast in my life

[minor cape]

a sepsis

lol

[glacial aurora]

Sepsis on sub??

Or ass?

[surreal barn]

Yeap

Sub

[minor cape]

whats the thing with sepsis

[glacial aurora]

With dark brew I assume?

[minor cape]

i cant even see why it works

xd

[glacial aurora]

I've been having fun with 7 point cold blood dfa

[tribal badger]

sepsis hits hard

for all 3 specs tbh

people just dont like it

even outlaws sepsis does like 100k damage per cast

[glacial aurora]

I'll have to try it I guess, post the build pls

[chrome schooner]

well, overall dmg and instant direct dmg are two different things right

[surreal barn]

Screw around let the warrior blow his load, have a rupture going, survive his burst , sepsis -> flag > duel > dance burst (have sepsis finish off in your duel for the extra dam)

[chrome schooner]

I am a huge sepsis lover myself alright

But as far as assa goes

would you want 100k dmg over 10s, or 2-3x 30k in 3 globals with SBS, when you Kidney someone to kill him ?

since usually people use stuff once the stuns end

[tribal badger]

eh

cc got nerfed so hard its more about sustain pressure rn feels like lol

at least from what ive felt playing

just pve at someone and throw stuns to be disruptive and create pressure

really not landing a ton of kills in cc chains

honestly a majority of kills so far ive had this patch have just been sustain damage fiestas

[surreal barn]

Yeap

[minor cape]

окей

oh fuck

wrong chat

[surreal barn]

I haven’t tried DFA yet I’m gonna mess around next match

[minor cape]

i just tried

dfa

cold blooded

not good

it takes like 2 gcd?

and doesnt do that much

id rather cb an eviscerate

[surreal barn]

I like that you can’t be cc’d during it

People can’t auto screw you on dance

They have to wait lol

[minor cape]

i just hit a 300k sec tech

....

one hit for 90k and two for 110k

i have old seasons gear

im testing dummy btw

[tribal badger]

that sounds like non pvp mod damage

havent seen sub really chunking people in actual pvp instances yet

not moreso then before anyway

[minor cape]

im parsing pvp dummy

average result is like 270k sec tech

in old gear

idk how or why

[terse flower]

RIP no bloody token dagger

[potent pivot]

Sometimes pvp dummy can be wonky

But

[minor cape]

well previously we got

like 200k avg in bis gear

on dummy

now we get 300k with worst gear

🤔🤔🤔

and also big evis

cant wait to get my hands on 2 piece set

when can we get it?

[tribal badger]

as soon as u get lucky after the season starts

u get 1 guarenteed set piece from hitting 1800

after that its all rng until catalyst opens up in like 6 weeks

[wintry dew]

Why dafuq no dagger

From bloody coins

[minor cape]

dude what

no tier set if you are below 1800?

or its great vault drops anywaym

[wicked rampart]

1800 is just a free guaranteed piece

Can still get them normally otherwise

[minor cape]

oh oke

so is our bis rn bloody token stuff?

[wicked rampart]

That's all we can get rn I believe ya

Probably not particularly worth chasing though since you'll just want full honor set next week anyway I'd imagine, aside from getting the pieces you are going to keep through conquest

[tribal badger]

bloody token stuff is the only stuff available

you'll replace it in with honor gear as soon as actual season starts

maybe keep a couple pieces with better stats or to upgrade later

[minor cape]

when is nighstalker fix

btw

[tribal badger]

🤷

was supposed to be tuesday

[minor cape]

i thought it was supposed to be this patch

[tribal badger]

so it could be anytime whenever

yes

meaning nobody knows when its gunna happen

[minor cape]

cant wait for a 330k sec tech

instead of 300

[wicked rampart]

Pretty sure it's live already, unless it's still broken

[waxen meteor]

oh we got a set piece hitting 1800 this season?

[potent pivot]

It was supposed to be yes. Seems like it didn’t make it in though

[potent pivot]

It isn’t live

[waxen meteor]

i remember someone said nightstalker is broken only when in stealth

not in dance

[tribal badger]

ye

[potent pivot]

I don’t think that’s correct

[tribal badger]

2400 m+ or 1800 pvp

[waxen meteor]

ok thats good

i hope my addons are fixed before season starts 🙂

[wicked rampart]

Or it's just broken in a new way 🙂

[wary spire]

As is tradition.

[rose wigeon]

How is rogue looking for this season?

Wasnt pleased with alot of last season especially for solo shuffle games, curious if we get any better or if this season looks bad too

[wicked rampart]

Season hasn't started yet so hard to say. Very few direct changes to rogues so will be more dependent on how the meta shifts than anything else I'd guess

[potent pivot]

It’s the same as pre-reset

[minor cape]

🙏

[lyric onyx]

is there a new drakebreaker vendor or something?

[jolly sierra]

yeah, malicia

but no daggers

[lyric onyx]

booooo

[narrow tangle]

canIhaz shadowmeld macro

[lyric onyx]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast Stealth

[narrow tangle]

thanks

[terse flower]

goggles prob gonna be pretty nice yeah? cuz straight mast.

[jolly sierra]

what

[narrow tangle]

engineering googles?

[jolly sierra]

don't think so

[tribal badger]

only engis can wear them

but if ur engi sure

idk if u really want mast more then vers tho

[jolly sierra]

think u will use the tier piece there

[potent pivot]

Kinda doubt you’d want to give up that much vers or a tier slot

[terse flower]

well poo. Guess ill just hold onto it until i see what everyone else crafts lol.

[minor cape]

@jolly sierra

dude skillcapped released a video

where they are saying

sporecloak might be nerfed

[potent pivot]

It probably should get nerfed tbh

[tribal badger]

That sorta level of effect

Is usually reserved for a trinket slot

Putting it on a cloak that doesnt even count as a dps embell

Just means everyone is gunna get it

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean it kinda puts BM trinket to shame doesn’t it?

[tribal badger]

And its gunna slow the season down more

Mhm

We used to have a trinket that did almost this exact thing for a season didnt we

And everyone hated it

Was weaker then this also

[minor cape]

i hope it does get nerfed

[potent pivot]

I can def see it getting like a .2-.4 pvp modifier

Let’s just hope the “pve” dps embellishments don’t get nerfed

I don’t want to run some boring ass mastery giving item etc

[surreal barn]

Still worth it for cloak even if it does only last a week till nerf lol

Hopefully they are quick with it

[minor cape]

whats interesting

is i still get same mastery with older geat

does it mean we can get huge mastery now

when honor gear is there

[jolly sierra]

they are right

[minor cape]

you predicted

this shit

[jolly sierra]

ofc 300k absorb is insane

but nobody can get it yet

[minor cape]

wait why 300k

[jolly sierra]

scales w ilvl

[minor cape]

it said 80k?

ooooh

fuck me

this is bullshit

[graceful ravine]

ok im done lol

was fun

[wary spire]

Wait it was already nerfed?

[austere thorn]

any1 tried haste outlaw yet?

[minor cape]

wheres the bt vendor?

i only see old shit

[wise breach]

Malicia

[minor cape]

thanks

[jolly sierra]

well

at least we can get bloody tokens before s2

its something

thinking in getting a 2h sword for my ret

[graceful ravine]

juicyyy

[minor cape]

do i have to do the storyline

in caves

😭

does it change smth if i dont

[marble oasis]

i'm more after this
https://i.imgur.com/5H4rIAw.png

[minor cape]

also, trophy of strife not available rn?

[graceful ravine]

Outlaw feels strong rn

Tanky and decent dmg

I farmer 3k bloody tokens the past 2 days with a 5man

Just chain killing other grps on top of the gy

I died maybe 5x total in 4 hours

[minor cape]

dayvaine will be the strongest rogue for the first week

looks like

xd

going to shuffle on sub

first time since nerfs

🫡

[pale storm]

750 bloody token kill quest up NA

[agile leaf]

wheres the quest?

[graceful ravine]

Ohm plains

Kill the elite

[jolly sierra]

crap that quest is active in EU too but only awards a pvp chest F

[tribal badger]

is it last seasons chest

[jolly sierra]

the malicia one

yeah

[tribal badger]

unluck

[jolly sierra]

now im camping the fornite chest in thaldrassus

it didn't spawned in a long time

i even went to lunch lol

[minor cape]

it was bad

pretty bad

[jolly sierra]

what was bad

[minor cape]

shuffling as sub

some guys already whispered me that im a subhuman

[jolly sierra]

where are the 300k sectech?

[jolly sierra]

what a fkn douchebags

[minor cape]

it doesnt matter in a ret arms lobby

unfortunately

[pale storm]

should be the new bloody token blue that goes to 434

[jolly sierra]

yeah this one

[tribal badger]

wait it is the new season one

[jolly sierra]

pointless w tier tho

nah

[minor cape]

also dudes smh already have that bloody token stuff

[jolly sierra]

we are off season yet

[tribal badger]

but thats season 2 ilvl pvp gear

for wpvp

[jolly sierra]

yep

[tribal badger]

thats s2 wpvp gear

thats what im saying

[jolly sierra]

some stuff bypassed the season

like the sparks

and this and the 450 trophies

we were cooking a little in last night

[graceful ravine]

the transmog look pretty good for a blue weapon

[jolly sierra]

the art team is carrying the game again

[untold remnant]

They didn't put in a pvp dagger from bloody tokens??

[tribal badger]

just another non outlaw rogue L

play the real spec

[minor cape]

i dont get it how do i play outlaw

teach me outlaw dudes

[tribal badger]

do a medium amount of damage constantly

dont die

thats most of it

u do alot by existing on the map not dying

i got my 2400 as law by uh, picking the dude that my actual damage dealer arms warrior was gunna hit

setting healer as focus

and just focus kick, focus kidney, focus blinding during warrior cds

that was most of it

almost like bm levels of do my pve rotation to a dude while being super disruptive every 30s to create pressure

but also being a melee you need to be staying partially defensive (cause i was always the train target). Idk if outlaws going to be kill target this season

stamina buff is very nice

[minor cape]

im doing like 35k

on pvp dummy

is this how it is

[tribal badger]

yuh

[minor cape]

thats the build right?

[tribal badger]

honestly idk how i feel about giving up some dps talents for 1:30 blind with the cc nerfs anymore

i'll need to feel it out

also fairly sure id take deeper strat in class tree

deeper strat is a pretty big damage inc for outlaw

[jolly sierra]

tell us how will u go w the changes

[graceful ravine]

can confirm mastery is looking decent

this is whacking on a dummy for 2 mins

[tribal badger]

how much mastery do u have

[minor cape]

dayvaine

[proven kayak]

Hope sub will be viable cuz I’m bored to play anything else

[tribal badger]

huh

[minor cape]

mind showing the build?

[tribal badger]

I feel like my mastery is usually 8-9% of my damage in pvp

and I have like

300 mastery

[minor cape]

or just sending the string

[graceful ravine]

i took all the healing talents with vial and snd

[minor cape]

thanks will try that

about what dps you doing?

[graceful ravine]

45k dps on pvp dummy

[graceful ravine]

this is from 3 hours of bloody token farming w/ 5 mans

[wary spire]

Was he making a pun?

[tribal badger]

right but ur playing mastery heavy

i need to check what mastery is in my breakdown with zero mastery

cause i feel like its not much lower then that

damage gain is relative right, mastery seems high in ur breakdown, but everything else got lower

by u stacking mastery over crit

relatively

[graceful ravine]

right

[tribal badger]

all i know is mastery is currently ass ST for pve

so idk why it would be better for pvp, other then crit being turbo ass

[minor cape]

omg

AHAHAHAHAH

okay deeper strat increased my avg damage by 10k

now i get it

[pale storm]

I feel like the agi + stam this is an upgrade

[jolly sierra]

ofc it is

agi > all

[tribal badger]

deeper strat is big cause outlaw drowns in cps

so almost all ur finishers r 7 cp (would be wasted)

• just gives flat finisher damage ontop

[minor cape]

i saw some build that said finality

😤

[tribal badger]

i think thats a kap

esp since crit nerfs

[minor cape]

well like i didnt know and i was like okay i guess this class sucks

this shit is fun as hell

need to learn it asap

do i bte on cooldown

for greenskins?

[graceful ravine]

crazy

yes bte on cd

[minor cape]

is greenskins really such big dam?

[graceful ravine]

its the only burst u have

so yes 😛

but even then your pistol shot only hits for 50-80k

[wintry dew]

I just noticed somethings not quite right

I Cloaked DK's dots

and they got reaplied with cloak on

[wary spire]

You just remove them 1 time, you're not immune to them.

Wait, or are they magical? I don't remember.

[chrome schooner]

I'm not sure where you get 36% from

[tribal badger]

The ability that applied dk disease is physical i believe

Can apply thru cloak

[wary spire]

Ye then working as intended.

[waxen meteor]

I love this

It looks i am not the only one

i only thought about it but haven't tried

[minor cape]

read it

didnt know this was a thing

sounds fun

i want to play outlaw now

i guess

[waxen meteor]

i still feel i got too many triggers to push every moment

[graceful ravine]

Nvm you’re right, it’s only 31%

[chrome schooner]

That's more what I thought :p

[waxen meteor]

I feel improved wound is probably more helpful

but i might be wrong

[graceful ravine]

Thought PvP talent wasn’t reflecting it

But it was

[waxen meteor]

what pvp talent you are using for outlaw now

[graceful ravine]

It’s all just theorycrsft for now til season is out

Cloak/brawler/X

[chrome schooner]

Brawler/X/X even

[graceful ravine]

You wouldn’t need wound if you got a ret ww dh on your team

still testing

[chrome schooner]

Veil is extremely situational, much like most of the talents

[graceful ravine]

Dread blade is nice but lack of energy to use every global is a concern

[chrome schooner]

If you play Dreadblades with Shadowdance yes, it feels lacking

If you want a Dreadblades build that feels like you can actually spam every single global, you can go for the Seal Fate side instead (don't need the tea even, just SF)

[graceful ravine]

Why would SF be good if dreadbladss give u max cp anyways?

[chrome schooner]

Oh, you'd just feel like you never ever lack energy at all

[graceful ravine]

ah

[chrome schooner]

Then you reset your stuff more

[graceful ravine]

SF sounds fun if we run crit

[minor cape]

how is outlaw into those melee things?

[chrome schooner]

And so you have DB and AR more

etc

[minor cape]

better than sub or assa?

i mean should be better than assa

[graceful ravine]

Outlaw with dance got stronger imo, way less people are orcs and kidney into 2x CS is the longest stun in the game

Not having gaps is so nice

Don’t have to hold globals anymore

[waxen meteor]

5+2+1?

[graceful ravine]

Ya

Can kidney meld cs cs too

[minor cape]

3s kicks are not yet there btw?

[chrome schooner]

They are

[minor cape]

prolly bigdebuffs showing wrong info then

[waxen meteor]

don't worry none of my addon works now

waiting for a general update

[minor cape]

is it always like this at the start of seasons

noone knows what is playable no addons work

[waxen meteor]

maybe i am noob

but step kick for 3s still worths it?

[minor cape]

id do it on sub

🫡

[waxen meteor]

yeah for sub especially out of burst window

i get it

but for outlaw is it still worth it?

we are trading probably 5s dps time for 3s healing time

[minor cape]

like if the guy is casting a greater pyroblast probably yes

[waxen meteor]

but it could be like a kick then a kidney then CS*2 blind blabla

[minor cape]

?

[waxen meteor]

but if we just kick and run back, hmm

not sure

[minor cape]

i played a shuffle that was completely annihilated by a fire mage

and i couldnt do much

[waxen meteor]

could be step kick and come back with this

[minor cape]

that probably wasnt because of kicks

[minor cape]

but range isnt that huge on this?

[spring bough]

2 sinisters with seal fate usually gets full CP so its nice to get there faster

[graceful ravine]

What do you give up to use SF?

Dance?

[spring bough]

I don’t use it for HO was messing around with a KIR dispatch build and it feels necessary if you wanna rock that build

did they already take out the bloody token quest?

nvm found it. we bout to have some new weps boys

shortsword as OH its 1.8 speed or 2 axes

[potent pivot]

Whatever has the stats you’re aiming for

[graceful ravine]

Fast OH generates more energy

Idk how much more tho

[tribal badger]

it doesnt generate more energy

but it does proc marginally more poisons

they r essentially the same with fast weapon edging out like 0.1% dps worth of poison procs

tldr: go with the one with better stats

because thats worth way more then the poison procs

[potent pivot]

Think you’d just go dagger OH for that

If it has decent stats

[tribal badger]

ye

cause more flexible for other specs

[potent pivot]

(Not rn ofc because vendor)

[spring bough]

no dagger on new bloody token gear

[tribal badger]

knocks out MH for them

[spring bough]

went with the sword its vers mast

since mastery looking decent

[tribal badger]

weapon type doesnt matter other then secondaries for the oh for law

realistically

[jolly sierra]

nice a juicy helm for my warrior

[potent pivot]

It kinda does

It’s definitely not huge, but it’s a difference

[tribal badger]

i mean

what kinda difference

its 0.1% in pve

i cant imagine it being bigger in pvp

the only dif is poison procs, i guess wound might stack up a little quicker?

[potent pivot]

is it actually that small now?

[tribal badger]

well sorry that was last season where like

there wasnt daggers with good stats

[graceful ravine]

There’s a talent for that no?

[tribal badger]

idk if we have any accurate sims for exactly identical slow/fast weapon

just paring based on pure poison procs

[tribal badger]

nah its all normalized

only thing not normalized to weapon speed is poison procs

[graceful ravine]

Ohh

[tribal badger]

so the only true dps gain of a dagger is the gain in poison damage from more swings, which is very small

small enough that people usually treat oh as a stat stick instead of caring if its dagger/slow

[waxen meteor]

hmm dis priest loses dome of light?

[tribal badger]

ya they did

gained new fade talent which is pretty sick tho

[waxen meteor]

the 1 sec invincible?

[surreal barn]

Screw it im making the 450 boots

[tribal badger]

ya

[surreal barn]

They really aren’t that bad

[tribal badger]

u can immune tons of cc with it

[jolly sierra]

the boots are a good idea

but tbh thinking in save my spark for the cloak

[surreal barn]

I have 3 rogues 70

Lol one gets that cloak

[jolly sierra]

we only need a guy dropping that from aberrus

[surreal barn]

Is it random from a mob

[jolly sierra]

its from a boss

[surreal barn]

Lame, was gonna say we just farm it out 😂

[jolly sierra]

3rd one to be specific

nah think ppl will go very fast to there

[waxen meteor]

what's special for the boot and cloak

[jolly sierra]

boots has sephuz (are our current ones)

[waxen meteor]

prim stat boost ok

[jolly sierra]

cloak is targeted for nerfs according to skillcapped

cuz can absorb 300k dmg at 450 ilvl

[tribal badger]

even if it gets nerfed eventually no reason to not have it

its literally a free effect

no budgeting at all

[waxen meteor]

Just gold?

[tribal badger]

gold and sparks

[spring bough]

would prob go season 1 boots for pvp if i rocked the healing clock. need to have that toxic embelish on bracers or belt to make the slime boots worth it

[jolly sierra]

yeah that is the problem w toxic gear

[spring bough]

and im a moron and thought using a shadow flame on the pvp boots from season 1 would auto give it the pvp bump and it didnt LOL. so looks like im going cloak when i get my next shadow flame

then toxic/slimy after that lol

[jolly sierra]

good idea

think even if the cloak is nerfed to 150k absorb is still good

from 300k

[potent pivot]

@graceful ravine shadowflame is now acc wide apparently

[surreal barn]

Yeh I had to add a 450 upgrade to it

[spring bough]

are those out now??

[surreal barn]

I mean I got two lol

[waxen meteor]

ok it seems i really need to play now

been travelling this week

[spring bough]

where the hell are the pvp add on items add

[waxen meteor]

don't have enough time to check new things

[surreal barn]

I think I got both from a quest that dropped out of the epic bg weekly box

[spring bough]

wait what quest i did that last night and dont remember getting a quest

[surreal barn]

I can try to find it

Hol on

[potent pivot]

queue any pvp and you should get a box for winning

and it should drop a quest item

[lucid citrus]

You get the quest from a green item that comes from the boxes either doing 2’s,3’s, or bgs or you can buy the honor box from the honor vendor

[surreal barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=205187/artisans-consortium-flier

I got one of these and just turned it in

[spring bough]

sick its in my bag lol

[surreal barn]

Nice 👍🏼

[spring bough]

time to upgrade these boots to 450

[surreal barn]

They really make it hard to know what you have to do

I mean I didn’t have to add a pvp multiplier to the originals it’s stupid

[spring bough]

so tempted to make some random head chest or legs and slap this 450 on them lol

does it have to be on shadowflame gear or can it be any

[surreal barn]

Yeh same lol

I could do the mastery 1% head

[tribal badger]

keep in mind u cant turn crafted gear into tier

so u might wanna check out which set pieces u might want

before u do that

[spring bough]

looks like the PVErs not using the tier helm

damn you can only use the pvp upgrades on shadowflame gear RIP

[tribal badger]

oh wait did nobody confirm that for u

its a new crafting reagent

its meant for upgrading crafted gear to be good in pvp

so ya, can only be used on crafted gear

[spring bough]

was gonna use it on a spark crafted but it wont let you for that only shadowflame

[low moon]

what spec counters ret/war (not necassarily rogue)

[tribal badger]

shadowflame is s2 crafted so yea, cant use it on s1 gear

because that would turn s1 gear into s2 pvp gear without using a spark

[jolly sierra]

do u think baiting a crafter for 20k gold will be enough to get the sporecloak?

[ocean coral]

Is there no dagger on the blue pvp vendor?

[lucid citrus]

Nope

[ocean coral]

why lol?

[jolly sierra]

what the fuck this warrior

[lucid citrus]

Blizzard hates us

[graceful ravine]

Adaptation trinket in 2023 oof

[surreal barn]

Trolling

[jolly sierra]

im inspecting more

has both dagger upgraded to challenger I and xmogged

[surreal barn]

Anyone else get in on that 200g/mammoth rib game last night

I made some serious bank 😂

Enough for all enchants for 3 toons for the season

[spring bough]

im using the turn the tables with the new cloak talent and brawler. dmg just feels too nice lol

[jolly sierra]

here we go again

[spring bough]

i stopped using chat in rated solo cause i talk too much shit lol

[jolly sierra]

is unranked

in epic

to get the spark

[light estuary]

something change this patch? Orcs got nerfed?

[graceful ravine]

We still need to hold globals vs orcs but since it’s 10% , less classes will play it

[spring bough]

im so tired of these evo healers flying all over the map lol

[surreal barn]

Anyone try the new embellishment yet?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=205173/figurine-of-the-gathering-storm

[spring bough]

in the 5th round and currently doing overall more damage than 2 ret paladins and a mage. loving this lol

[jolly sierra]

yeah i tried that one

is shit

[pale storm]

https://twitter.com/numbingarcane/status/1653887636354789380?s=46&t=AqKD-O46lq5b5odKxaJ4xg

Numbing (@Numbingarcane)

Fix your nameplates

/run SetCVar("nameplatePlayerMaxDistance", 60)

Twitter · May 3, 2023, 10:21 PM

Saw this, sharing if anyone needs

[weary pelican]

Does honor reset tuesday?

[tribal badger]

nobody knows

[potent pivot]

Details is not showing the correct damage/hits for Secret Technique; check out the pins in #subtlety for the fix.

Fix your nameplates:
/run SetCVar("nameplatePlayerMaxDistance", 60)

[weary pelican]

Name plates script didnt work lol

[potent pivot]

did you reload?

it's working for everyone else pretty sure

[weary pelican]

Oh shit maybe it did haha

[potent pivot]

[jolly sierra]

just got a s2 medal of honor

lol

[spring bough]

6-0 on this lobby lol. love seeing this much ambush dmg

[jolly sierra]

tf that dmg

btw are u using mastery?

[spring bough]

14% lol

34 crit and 34 vers

[jolly sierra]

well

yeah the dmg is high af

still doubtful about how viable are the other 2 specs

[spring bough]

im loving outlaw right now i feel like im finally blasting people again

had some paladin tell me he wanted to see me lose after smashing him earlier that felt good lol

while we were on the same team lol

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

that is just a sore loser

just in case, can u dm me later how u do the dmg and how u use ur cds like shadow dance and stuff like that? maybe can give a shot if assa is indeed dead

[spring bough]

yeah i can send you what i do

its a lot of getting into the rotation to just keep going thru the same abilities lol

[jolly sierra]

sounds like pve and a lot of dummy mechanical memory

sure, will be waiting, ty

[spring bough]

i dont use vanish for survivability i use it to proc the haste and get off 3 ambushes back to back to back lol

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[lucid citrus]

wow lol

[jolly sierra]

well can afford that with more survivability than assa and sub tho

[spring bough]

if im hurting real bad ill use it to survive but the CD comes up so quick cause of restless blades

[lucid citrus]

yeah im liking CTO more and not having GSW

[jolly sierra]

well, if restless blades refreshes vanish then np

[spring bough]

yeah i just did a dummy for 1 minute duration, popped adrenaline and shadow dance, then vanished after and had adrenaline and vanish off CD before shadow dance came off CD LOL

[waxen meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMTsZBQZUdc

pff pikaboo is funny

[spring bough]

i was just looking at the ST sims for the builds and sub is like 130k and outlaw says 90k or something LOL

def doesnt feel like that

[potent pivot]

what fried ass outlaw sim were you looking at? lol

all 3 specs are quite close in ST

[spring bough]

it was on the Fuu link

prob not updated lol

[potent pivot]

yeah things have been kind of a scramble to get the theory crafting done this patch

we were missing so much info until way too close to the patch

things on PTR were bugged, but no one knew they were unintentional interactions but they went live fixed so that turned everything upside down

multiple things are still bugged like outlaw's tier set, some talents that were meant to be fixed etc

just been all over the place lol, but outlaw is simming like 122k ST as far as i can tell

[spring bough]

yeah its simming well and feels even better on dummies and in shuffle

think i came to the conclusion to stick with 1/2 CTO and greenskin for shuffle. it just blasts

[low moon]

how does that stack up with others? feel like rogue dps is 20-30k behind other dps but everythings super early sims

[spring bough]

just did more dmg overall after 6 rounds than an unholy DK so id say pretty well so far

[low moon]

lol

[spring bough]

and thats with him doing 600k more last round cause i locked up the healer and he deleted a DPS

[low moon]

is a lot of yours bladeflurry or you ST?

[spring bough]

flurry was my 2nd on dmg lol

[low moon]

better than i figured

[spring bough]

in 3 diff games we have just traind disc priest and deleted them. its been so much fun lol

[potent pivot]

pretty sure out of all the early sims rogue is middle of the pack. there's only a couple outlier specs that are that far ahead

[low moon]

ok thats good, last i had checked all 3 were below WW in ST lol

[potent pivot]

this is the only thing up atm, but i saw one floating around that had more classes/specs on it a few days ago

not sure why this one is so small atm

[tribal badger]

only has specs that have submitted profiles

[low moon]

maybe they had to pull down some profiles

[potent pivot]

i'm saying i've seen a sheet that had more profiles on it than this one :d

[tribal badger]

oh ya probably bad profiles or something

thats the only one ive seen besides the meme one with 165k enhance shaman

[light estuary]

Anyone got a good chore list we need to do for gearing? Been out of the loop for 2 months lol. Any time gates?

[tribal badger]

farm bloody token gear > wait for the season to start next week

do the campaign to get ur spark as well and do a instanced pvp content thing to unlock the crafted gear material that lets u make a pvp piece of gear

[lucid citrus]

Anyone know how to get rid of this thing that pops up in the middle of the screen when opportunity procs?

[tribal badger]

settings > combat > spell opacity or something like that

its a slider bar

[lucid citrus]

omg youre a life saver haha

[graceful ravine]

pika smashing noobs at 1500 cr and claims sub is doing more dmg lol

[waxen meteor]

Yeah i noticed that as well lol

but he speaks so fun

[lucid citrus]

Anyone figure out if honor points resets or does it carry over for next week?

[graceful ravine]

i can send it to myself from another char?

[jolly sierra]

nobody knows that yet

[tribal bay]

what classes r busted

[low moon]

#pvp message

[jolly sierra]

seems like outlaw

guys just noticed this, maybe this is the reason why there are not daggers in pvp atm

look at the speed of this shit

anyways bought an axe for outlaw

[grand haven]

it's a good sub offhand tho

[jolly sierra]

can be unless they fix it and turn in into a dagger dunno

[grand haven]

could be good for outlaw too if mastery becomes our best stat

[waxen meteor]

Not really certain if it's warrior too good or outlaw too bad at 1on1

I am killed by random warrior on the street easily

[jolly sierra]

warr was doing abnormal dmg in ptr

[potent pivot]

you farm 1500 rep and get the shadowflame on alts

wowhead made a post

you open a level 70 alt -> run straight to Zaralek Caverns and farm 1500 rep -> receive shadowflame

https://www.wowhead.com/news/weekly-spark-of-shadowflame-quest-now-account-wide-no-campaign-questing-needed-332754

[potent pivot]

it usually never resets, and they didn't clarify that it would reset so my assumption is that it won't be getting reset, same as always

[jolly sierra]

ret got the old 100% miss chance from outlaw blind

with a cast from a pvp talent

the worst thing is that work w spells

[potent pivot]

ye the new pvp talent

[jolly sierra]

u can complete the weekly pvp quest w that still

just log in an alt

and has malicia's stash for the quest

[potent pivot]

10.1 News Pin:

Embellishments, Sparks of Shadowflame, and Conquest Trophies:
There's no way to say with 100% certainty what the most optimal crafts and upgrades are just yet. My recommendation is to remain patient like most PvE players are, until more information begins to surface before crafting or upgrading gear and spending your limited currencies. Otherwise you do risk "wasting" your first potentially big upgrades for the season start. Keep in mind that this week is pre-season and making these decisions haphazardly really gets you nowhere right now.

Notable bugs and changes:
-Nightstalker is fixed.
-Thief's Bargain is fixed.

Subtlety and Outlaw received damage buffs, and Rogue as a whole had a handful of PvP talent changes. You can check those out here:
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23935248/dragonflight-embers-of-neltharion-content-update-notes-now-live#item14

The #pvp-faq and other resources will all get updated soon so keep an eye out!

[potent pivot]

i guess xunamate died

sadge

[glacial cairn]

whats the best way to farm the new wpvp gear? seen ppl with all items on day 1

[potent pivot]

join a group and farm wpvp and crates etc

iirc there's a WQ that rewards some as well

[glacial cairn]

ok so its just that then, thought there was some more to it

thanks 🙂

[jolly sierra]

boy they wanna me playing warr or what? 2nd item in a row w a socket lol

[light estuary]

bloody tokens wont get reset?

[minor cape]

pikaboo playing sub, saying it hits way harder

so looks like i wasnt wrong

🙏

oh oke tarny already sent that vid

[jolly sierra]

pikaboo thrashing 1k5 mains

[tribal bay]

cheers i was legit trying to find my first comment before i asked trwice lol

bruh wtf

5 sec blind stayed

did hardiness get nerfed ?

or is everyone orc

[minor cape]

it did

but

it is now 10% instead 20%

which might sometimes still be the same as 20

cause if its cheapshot, you get the same amount of gcd in a stun for example

[stone oriole]

Hey, just a question. Is it worth spending the 450 upgrade on the infurious crafted boots from s1? do people think it’s going to be BiS in season 2 as well or should I save the upgrade for later?

[potent pivot]

Still too early to be sure

A couple noteworthy people have said the boots may be bis for sub specifically

But the melee precog boots or the toxic crafted items for sin/outlaw most likely

Just have to wait and see atm, let those of us that have 2-3 rogues test stuff

[stone oriole]

Hmm ok, I’ll save my trophy till I know for sure then. Thanks.

[harsh steppe]

so all we can do this week is farm bloody tokens, is that correct?

gm

[wintry dew]

Yes

And honor afaik

[harsh steppe]

oh honor too? okay tysm ❤️

wow sub got some nice buffs fuck yah! how's outlaw?
did they remove blind > sap like planned?

[wintry dew]

Don't quote me on that but i believe so

[marble oasis]

anyone seen any word on the wpvp dagger being found yet? 😅

[potent pivot]

Mass bug report it

All we can really do

[harsh steppe]

is this command for making it where i can see nameplates further? cuz i have this issue atm
/run SetCVar("nameplatePlayerMaxDistance", 60)

[naive plank]

is sub viable again for pvp? 😄

[harsh steppe]

110%

[wary spire]

Is the build the same as before?

[harsh steppe]

the guides/faq will be updated soon, stay tuned

[lyric onyx]

anyones tidyplates not showing above enemy players?

[cosmic seal]

How does assa feels rn ?

[narrow tangle]

paladin mains linking new veil of midnight and calling it overpowered

[twin burrow]

I agree sub is viable

I have no idea how it's going to interact with tier which makes me unsettled but you fellow scoundrels got my back

[floral meadow]

is sub suitable for a newbie rogue..?

[surreal barn]

Old dark brew sec tec has been working

No blind into sap feels weird though ngl

In bgs the invigorating shadow dust + new vanish cd reduc is so nice

It’s like you’re always ready for a go

[potent pivot]

Yes

[harsh steppe]

ty

[potent pivot]

It’s usually a little bit more of a difficult spec for newer players to jump into, but if that’s the spec you enjoy then it just takes some practice

[potent pivot]

Damn near 100% uptime on Symbols

Should be really strong

[potent pivot]

“ I have bubble, BoP, spell warding, etc etc etc, but Veil of Midnight is OP!!!”

[untold remnant]

But reduced by 50%, so it will be 3 sec and 2 sec rupture extend

Don’t know if it’s worth to lose mastery/vers over getting 4 set.

But we should see!

Also curious what embellishments will be good.

Above mentioned toxic boots or the movespeed damage. How do you feel about the mastery above 90% for sub?

[potent pivot]

Well the 4set is currently tuned like garbage

The 2 set is quite good

[untold remnant]

That opens some opportunities then

[potent pivot]

IMO the mastery above 90% is going to be one of the weaker embellishments

Even the boots we already have are better - the ones that used to give us CC reduction now give us Agi

My hope is that the two toxic/spore combination will be strong enough for us to run

Because it’s more interesting IMO

But for sub specifically they may not be the go to I think, unless quite strong

[untold remnant]

For BM apparently the double shadowflame patch will be bis

Will that stack with veiltouched? Might be good for us too.

Or the toxin one if dark brew also converts that to shadow

[vocal surge]

funny part is Veil of Midnight isnt op lmao

[lucid citrus]

Right we are only immune to for like 1-2 seconds at the beginning of the ability lol

[vocal surge]

once that Veil of Midnight drops

[wary spire]

Anything that stops the ZUG even for a second is a crime against humanity.

[vocal surge]

they can kite us

[vocal surge]

True

Watch people figure out roots and slows are the bane of rogues

and we're less mobile than warriors

[wary spire]

Gnome meta Incoming?

[vocal surge]

maybe

but theres classes that apply

perma slows

as in once you remove the slows

its reapplied immediately

But ye

watch our class get deleted from the meta because our mobility is crippled

[narrow tangle]

its been a long day without you my friend

[wary spire]

People are reporting some crazy stuff with shaman.

Wonder how things will change when everyone's geared up.

[lucid citrus]

What happened with Shamans?

[potent pivot]

None of them interact with class abilities or talents

[grizzled basin]

When will honor and conquest be reset ?

[wicked rampart]

Next reset, and I believe only conq will reset unless they changed for DF seasons

[graceful ravine]

Veil of midnight should allow us to get out of stuns 😶‍🌫️

[wary spire]

Huge rng damage.

[waxen meteor]

I opened a formula for s2 gear from the pvp chests

threw to AH with some random big number

and sold immediately

[wary spire]

Ay yo grats! Cash money is always nice.

[wicked tide]

Isn’t sub 4 set 25% crit damage on evis?

[lyric onyx]

are the infurious boots most likely gonna be one of our 2 embellished items

we get so much value we CC all the time

[vague summit]

Anyone know the best healer for this season ?

[waxen meteor]

We hardly know ourselves now

[vague summit]

I was duelist twice last expansion

[spice harness]

Does outlaw still go for crit ?

[wintry dew]

Its amazing to be doing world content and enemy nameplates not appearing if you don't target them

[simple crest]

is there being no scalewarden dagger a bug?

[harsh steppe]

yah i spent a few hours last night just resetting all my addons & ui & other stuff just to figure out what was going on

[potent pivot]

Ye which is pretty bad

In pve they’re going to run 2P+2P

Until getting Mythic ilvl pieces for 4P

@vague summit sorry homie they don’t really allow LFG style posts in the server

[wicked tide]

Hmmm I wonder watching kalvish last night he’s not even playing sec tech so 25% crit damage on a CB evis seems hard to give up

Is the 4pc reduced in pvp too?

[potent pivot]

Yes

[wicked tide]

Oh trash then

[potent pivot]

Sec tech is also still quite good

[wicked tide]

Ya just was watching him and nahj play I agree tech is good and will probably be mandatory I’m sure he was just experimenting

[potent pivot]

Yeah

Hopefully with 2P Rotten will be good

[surreal barn]

Just checked with a friend, da voodoo shuffle and unbreakable stride stack for perma 50% reduced slows

It’s funny how fast they fall off

Same with roots etc

[pale storm]

I linked a work around earlier

[potent pivot]

Work around is also in the pins

[wintry dew]

Thanks my boys

[lucid citrus]

They nerfed the spore

[potent pivot]

The weapon ench? Ye

[jolly sierra]

the cloak?

send sauce

ah no, yeah the enchant

[chrome schooner]

I'm seeing many ppl go for the rotten, and some other go for the right side of the tree, anyone did games on sub since reset ? How does the damage feel with both builds?

[light estuary]

How's RM and RMP looking?

[long shore]

Can you veil of midnight out of a stun? Similar to how paladin BOP works?

[vague summit]

@potent pivot my apologies!

Please don’t ban me

[jolly sierra]

spare my life

[lucid citrus]

I dont think so

[steady gate]

Hello there, learning sub rogue. I wonder if when starting a burst on a target with shadow dance, if they use a defensive, is it a good idea to interrupt the burst process and just wait for defensives to drop before bursting again ?
Or should I just go all in anyway and use cold blood/secret tech and everything ?

[dull bridge]

"some dragon slayers were upset about some made up numbers on a website so we removed power infusion from the game"

[jolly sierra]

if they remove PI from game this would be a dream imo

i just got elite as ret

lol

[lyric onyx]

check pins for command to fix

[wintry dew]

didnt work

[lyric onyx]

damn

[wintry dew]

its fine

[graceful ravine]

I did

destro

[stoic spruce]

What ass builds yall gonna meme with?

I feel like trolling

[pale storm]

I did as Assa/Ret/MW

[tawny kestrel]

rogue was almost free glad before 10.0.7

[pale storm]

I got glad last week of season 😦

[graceful ravine]

Apparently outlaw is in the D tier for raids

With low ST

potential for buffs 🥹

[jolly sierra]

nice

dude i suck cock as outlaw

fuck

[potent pivot]

You’re fine lol no worries

[jolly sierra]

staying as assa

[potent pivot]

You can either try to target swap quickly for the remainder of your burst or you can try to kill through certain less impactful defensives. It’s kinda situational.

If someone presses a 20% DR defensive, but you already got them to like, 40% health or lower, sometimes you just stick to it and try to kill through

Depends on a few diff things

Are they LOSing their healer? Is their healer CC’d? Where is their other dps team mate? Etc

[steady gate]

I see, so stopping the burst against a full HP WW with Karma up is a good idea, but going all in if he's 30% hp with a Pain Sup is better then.
Seemed to me I was wasting a Secret Tech reset by not using it enough, seeing how many cp I could generate with Shuriken Storm

[valid notch]

Going to try and go ham on pvp this season as my first time pushing rating and learning arenas- I really wanna play outlaw. Is it really bad as people say? I'm going to be stuck at low MMR anyways while learning

[potent pivot]

Outlaw isn’t all the bad right now

All 3 specs are viable to a degree

[spring bough]

we got some WQs up with blood token gear as rewards go deck out boys

[jolly sierra]

almost got my final piece w rogue

just need the bracers now

[spring bough]

damn i only got the weps so far lol