when you exsang you half its duration
#pvp
devout marten
which means you half all of your double bleed duration
if you exsang before you deathmark
you can reapply dots after your exsanged garrote/rupture falls off
and they will double until deathmark is gone
dm also doesnt cost combo points
night olive
Ah right, that makes sense didn't think of that
But you'd still get more burst dmg if that's what you want with dm -> exsang i assume?
jolly sierra
doing that halves DM duration
and u need to be sure to setup bleeds else the exsang is wasted
night olive
but halving the duration means double the dps, so better for bursting, no?
night olive
how is someone using a defensive relevant?
how else are you gonna burst with assa rogue
jolly sierra
in kill windows
deathmark is good cuz u can maintain a lot of pressure
while is more time active, better
halving it is just a waste unless u have the target at like 40% HP in a full kidney
else will just be fully healed
night olive
yeah
jolly sierra
in that case better use exsang with current bleeds before deathmark and then cast it, cuz u will bet duplicated dots expiring faster
deathmark dmg itself is pretty weak
night olive
I just have a lot of moments catching a dps off guard with a full kidney smoke bomb and it makes more sense to me to burst dm into exsang
in 3's at least
not saying that's the best way to play, just feels like the best way to burst if i get the opportunity
jolly sierra
the thing is that
DM bleed is crap in dmg compared to garrote and rupture
so better do that inverse
so if ur 2 biggest bleeeds fades out u can keep the pressure if he doesnt die
by reapplying
night olive
yes i agree
How do you guys handle BM hunters as assa? I feel like I just get perma kited and I can't try to reset cus all pets are on me anyways. Especially in 2's
harsh steppe
am I doing something wrong here on opener? y'all told me to cheap shot > ss > ss for my opener's cp, so i do that, then the opener (kidney > buffs > ss > evis > er > secret tech), but I don't end up having full cp for the secret tech:
https://youtu.be/eayKPpDZeto
chrome schooner
I mean you used secret technique on a blue cp on your clip
what's the problem
blue cp counts as 7 cps
fringe merlin
Good morning glads
Mage coming in peace got my first rogue to max ready to shred
Any tips for a new rogue
harsh steppe
read the pins and watch vids
tame nexus
I cant catalyst pvp gear, how good/bad is full Conquest gear compared to tier set thats around 408-415?
graceful ravine
anyone else bored with the game or just me
sharp sierra
I thought it was bad being focus as a rogue. Played my lock a little today in arena. As desto they wouldn’t even let me move.
keen warren
anyone else bored with the game or just me
Begin your journey as an Outlaw main
graceful ravine
Rather uninstall the game
keen warren
😦
elfin maple
dull bridge
Rather uninstall the game
contrary to popular belief you don't have to play this game for your whole life
but yeah pvp scene kinda do be dead
obsidian moon
Sick
jolly sierra
Rather uninstall the game
reroll to ret
harsh steppe
wow gz @tawny kestrel ! nice!
jolly sierra
Rather uninstall the game
reroll to ret
sharp sierra
Brooooo 🔥🔥
My biggest problem right now is i’ll be on one of my classes. Rogue/war/lock/priest. Mainly rogue, and i’ll get blown up by a war or lock or see a priest have no problem and then i’ll hop on them. And not have the same outcome lol. Then i go back to rogue and get rusty because i’ll be on one of them for a few days.
This was you at 6 i’m guessing?
proven kayak
This was you at 6 i’m guessing?
its not refreshed
tawny kestrel
This was you at 6 i’m guessing?
ye but my alt is the top one
hoary bear
hey Im about to transform my 3rd piece into a set item but I noticed that these set items are way worser than my regular ones
what is this?
sly tangle
HELP - is Cooking tool worth buying for 4k gold or is it a scam? I plan on leveling cooking now.
jolly sierra
HELP - is Cooking tool worth buying for 4k gold or is it a scam? I plan on level...
that question doesnt belong here xd is most for #wow-general
potent pivot
hey Im about to transform my 3rd piece into a set item but I noticed that these ...
what are you talking about?
hoary bear
what are you talking about?
you can transform items into set items
hoary bear
what are you talking about?
and I noticed that these set items have worse stats than the item Im using for transform
potent pivot
and I noticed that these set items have worse stats than the item Im using for t...
yeah, doesn't really matter though
potent pivot
sharp sierra
ye but my alt is the top one
Goat.
sharp sierra
ye but my alt is the top one
Always felt like it would be pointless to make a second rogue but i might make a NE
harsh steppe
do i ever need to target party members for anything other than shadow step?
and will i ever need to target self?
potent pivot
do i ever need to target party members for anything other than shadow step?
and ...
as a rogue not really no
harsh steppe
ah ok on my holy priest i’m used to target party macros and target self so just wondering tysm
so many keybind possibilities :rubspalms:
sharp sierra
How would i make a modifier for things like SS blind kidney kick and all that fun stuff to make shift hold do focus and regular attack my target i have
harsh steppe
@sharp sierra i think it's something like this?
#showtooltip garrote
/cast [nomod,target=target][mod:shift,target=focus] garrote
potent pivot
How would i make a modifier for things like SS blind kidney kick and all that fu...
you'd just have
/cast [mod:shift,target=focus] blind```
basicallyThank you.
fringe merlin
anyone else bored with the game or just me
Getting there budy
Thought trying new classes would be fun but its the opposite
Long dps ques make me questiong even gearing up alts
harsh steppe
is this not a skill anymore? or is it not for sub
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195457/grappling-hook
graceful ravine
pirates only
graceful ravine
Getting there budy
20-30 min queues make game boring but idk how they can fix that
the alternative is playing a dead 2s/3s bracket
so lose lose all around
spice harness
I don't understand, on my assa I see combo points on target normally like this https://prnt.sc/-RCU42CS8owh
But when I switch to sub
https://prnt.sc/799F69kbisVA no combo points on target
Anyone know what am i missing posibly
I tryed to find something in interface/neatplates addon that i Use but idk
jolly sierra
are u using weakauras?
jolly sierra
then dunno, if would be the case i would checked the spec preferences
try to see something like that
spice harness
Ok I went onto outlaw for first time and its showing combo points normally too I dont get it lmao
jolly sierra
then u have a weird setup on sub
spice harness
Really really weird, everything is same for every spec except that I don't see combo points on target as sub unlike assa/outlaw
stiff mesa
i'm by no means good or decent, or think i'm entitled to a higher rank but this is my second season of pvp, I hit 1.9 back in shadowlands but atm rogue just feels so lacklustre in comparison (mind i basically just q solo shuffle), when i'm going up against basically anything that isnt just a caster lobby, i'm at a disadvantage immediately compared to the dps of anything in plate, a hunter or a dh - this again then, for assass
tribal bay
i'm by no means good or decent, or think i'm entitled to a higher rank but this ...
rogues good
do more damage
tribal bay
My biggest problem right now is i’ll be on one of my classes. Rogue/war/lock/pri...
pick one they're all good
keep swapping and you wont improve on all 4
stiff mesa
I'm just hardstuck 1300 and i'm willing to accept it for shuffle
going 3/3 the majority of these matches and i'm either gaining a sliver of rating, nothing or loosing 40-50 at a time
jolly sierra
show us a record from u and let us tell you how to improve
hoary cliff
is pvp illusion live?
languid ravine
keep swapping and you wont improve on all 4
this is almost true, with the slight exception of Warrior;
Please be careful, prolonged exposure to Warrior gameplay will drastically reduce your patience, calculus, memory and empathy and make you worse at every class, even classes that are not in World of Warcraft
harsh steppe
lol
harsh steppe
how am i supposed to sap properly during a match? having trouble with how to do it properly after everyone is fighting
also can i immediately move after i cast secret tech, or does that cancel the move too?
sharp sierra
this is almost true, with the slight exception of Warrior;
Please be careful, pr...
Lmao
harsh steppe
also i'm still having a lot of trouble understand cp: the kyrian cp points here, i see there are 2 of them, the first one means whatever finisher i use it counts as 7 cp right? so then what about the 2nd kyrian cp? does that mean the other cp points after the first cp are worthless?
languid ravine
these can also be consumed to perform a 7cp finisher, same as first one
tbh I got no clue what gets you confused lul
harsh steppe
4, 5, & 6 CP here are worthless I mean?
languid ravine
if you spend 3 or 4 here, you will deal damage 'as if' spending 7 points
thats why 3rd and 4th slots are painted blue
harsh steppe
3 or 4 or 5 or 6 you mean?
minor cape
3 or 4
harsh steppe
ohh wow i'll have to start being more careful then, tysm
night olive
Try using echoing repimande on a dummy and see the 3 buffs you get from it. Read them maybe it helps
languid ravine
it will probably help to get a more distinctive display for combo points, imo just using a low-contrast colour will use up unnecessary amounts of cognitive load if you are trying to confirm the slots during combat
plucky sage
Just remember it's only damage finishers that work for those combo points. So rupture, eviscerate, sectec
plucky sage
number 1 world lets go
Grats!
plucky sage
how am i supposed to sap properly during a match? having trouble with how to do ...
When everyone's in combat the only time you can sap healer is right as blind is finishing. So you blind healer and when blind is almost over you vanish and sap them.
glacial aurora
Are we still in agreement sin is the beat of the 3 or has sub overtaken?
wintry dew
Both work well
sharp sierra
how do people even force themselves to play anything else than prevoker, disc and mw
holy paladin legit feels like you're handicapping yourself
languid ravine
I feel like you can just slot assa in any matchup and it will be able to adjust and do well almost by accident, with Sub you really have to know what the heck is going on and what the enemy classes can or can not do at any given moment
and some matchups will be much more awkward to play
glacial aurora
Also I wish kingsbane were good. I love seeing fat kingsbane numbers when paired with DM
harsh steppe
When everyone's in combat the only time you can sap healer is right as blind is ...
ohhh so only after blinds, got it, tysm!
pale storm
They just need to drop combat
harsh steppe
oh wow ok tyty
is there an addon or wa you guys prefer to see everyone's combat status?
pale storm
UnitInCombat
harsh steppe
tysm guys ❤️
bold bison
if you just aim to sap at the end of blind it will work
unless they have been clipped by a dispel or something
it often bugs
jolly sierra
question, why priests casts mass dispell at start of an arena?
bold bison
to get into combat so they can't be sapped
if they hit you it won't pull you out but I will put them in combat
languid ravine
what is the go to fotm sub spec for sshuffle? I am still doing middle and right side but idk
with sub spec I meant talents
for subtlety
bold bison
is invigorating shadowdust nerfed in PvP? it's only taking 15 seconds off coldblood
tight veldt
is invigorating shadowdust nerfed in PvP? it's only taking 15 seconds off coldbl...
` intentional
bold bison
so it's nerfed by 50%?
tight veldt
yes, they nerfed it in a previous patch, and further nerfed it in PvP. Should only be reducing most things by 15 sec if iirc
bold bison
bleh
sharp sierra
Should i have Sophic for both daggers?
dull bridge
yes
sharp sierra
What gems am i looking for neck sockets? And where do i find them. Don’t see them in AH
twin burrow
raz sign my girlfriends boobs thanks, ill let you know when i find a girl, so see you never, grats tho!
languid ravine
I m in a 1600 lobby and my frostmage does 40k dps and 200k glacier spikes xd
sharp sierra
Anyone know why i can’t add zen malygite to my neck sockets?
tribal badger
what does it say when you try
sharp sierra
Using crim glad neck with 3 prismatic sockets.
tribal badger
what happens when you open up the gem interface and drag it in
sharp sierra
NeverMind, been too long. I thought you just dragged to neck. Forgot you have to open sockets 😅
tribal badger
👍
sharp sierra
Do any other pieces have the ability to get socketed?
tribal badger
rings bracers helm belt
but u need the item u buy with vault coins to do them u cant buy a jc item
(crafted rings come with a socket)
sharp sierra
Thanks, so they’ll take awhile to get 😞
Got all my vault pieces so i can take taking the currency instead.
languid ravine
whats the best Sub guide out there? I am getting stomped even though I feel like played fairly decent
harsh steppe
@languid ravine i've been watching this on repeat & it's so helpful, some of the things are a bit different like you can use ER & you will want a few more macros, but def a really good guide start here for sure
https://youtu.be/kGNY7Fpboz0
languid ravine
idk this feels a little bit troll and is currently outdated even
inland sapphire
languid ravine
weakaura
drowsy oyster
Anyone have different shadowy duel macros to recommend?
I heard about one with kidney and dance, but since I love Sub I love knowing multiple options so I can choose depending on my playstyles
Noticed some wonky behaviour using duel the past 2 weeks so it feels like a macro would solve it
Lastly if it's in Faq just say it and I'll find it myself. All good
graceful ravine
what type of wonky behavior?
languid ravine
I think macroing duel will just INCREASE wonkey behaviour
graceful ravine
youll always drop target
also range of duel is 5 yds, doesnt inc with acrobatic strikes
languid ravine
also you might end up using dance before kidney, wasting a minimum of 4 points
drowsy oyster
what type of wonky behavior?
Duel not being triggered at all while being spammed and i stand right infront while in combat as usual
graceful ravine
duel cost alot of energy so maybe thats one reason
drowsy oyster
Yes! That's actually it
graceful ravine
if you macro duel and kidney together, kidney could trigger bc 8 yds and duel wont
sometimes duel trigger first, you drop target so your kidney macro wont trigger
very buggy
i do castsequence reset=10 Kidney Shot,Shadowy Duel
minor cape
do you guys think its best to kidney first and duel second?
drowsy oyster
Now that you mention it. Been busy irl past weeks and extra tired so not caught up on things like i usually do when it's @ a topic i care about
And while streaming i noticed it being cgreyed out" so i did notice THAT part. Thanks. Will play around with it over and over in bgs
graceful ravine
ya, cos you drop target for a split second
drowsy oyster
do you guys think its best to kidney first and duel second?
The macro was duel first then kidney
graceful ravine
also more energy efficient to kidney first since refund
minor cape
yeah makes sense
drowsy oyster
Ah k good to know..might have misrememembered that too lol
minor cape
it always the drop target that fucks me
drowsy oyster
I just want to rbg again
minor cape
in duel
drowsy oyster
But too tired
minor cape
cause i use it and dude manages to target me faster
graceful ravine
if you Duel->Kidney in one macro, there are situations where you might actually kidney a pet
since you drop target in the duel and youre spamming the macro
drowsy oyster
i do castsequence reset=10 Kidney Shot,Shadowy Duel
Thanks a ton..saving that in my docs + the commentary
Ya makes sense
drowsy oyster
That's why i love learning things manually first so ii understand WHY I'm doing things as I'm learning
minor cape
duel is on gcd?
graceful ravine
btw you cant really macro duel and kidney in one button
its not on the gcd
drowsy oyster
Nope
graceful ravine
castsequence reset=10 Kidney Shot,Shadowy Duel
works fine as long as youre 5 yds
drowsy oyster
100 Ad 💞
patent fossil
Any notes 1v1ing a fury warrior as assa? Would you try to kite after using kidney, disarm, evasion? the self heal is crazy
drowsy oyster
@graceful ravine As i pasted and reread what you typed in the doc i realised why the kidney is done before. Perfect. Thanks once again. Wkll be useful info for other stuff i'm working on. by default 🙏
jolly sierra
disarm when is in enraged regen
plucky sage
Do we use serrated bone spike on as many targets as possible? Since it never expires could I just pop it on everyone as I go and then forget about it? Do abilities like purge and tranquilizing shot dispel it?
jolly sierra
yeah, but if u gouge healer for example and has SBS debuff will break almost insta
tribal badger
it doesnt actually last forever, something removes it cant remember what it is
its either leaving combat or being healed to full
or both
plucky sage
yeah, but if u gouge healer for example and has SBS debuff will break almost ins...
Ah fair enough
jolly sierra
leaving combat dispells SBS
sharp sierra
I kinda want to try sepsis
jolly sierra
maybe you
for me feels like shit
too energy starved and backstab... emmm
no comments
fierce laurel
I think I hit shrukien storm twice as much as I hit backstab.
plucky sage
leaving combat dispells SBS
Ok, good to know
plucky sage
its either leaving combat or being healed to full
Ah, I'll test the heal to full thing. Tooltip says just death. But apparently leaving combat too which makes sense
sharp sierra
Why sub feels better than assa
I played sub once in an arena and my teammate basically told me i should quit with the damage i was putting out.
It’s ashame too because sub was my favorite spec back in the day. I love backstab it has that rogue feel to it.
Applying bleed dots to a target as main damage doesn’t feel rogue like to me but i’ll deal with it until sub is #1 again.
As long as combat doesn’t become meta, i hate combat for pvp
Before resilience (now vers i guess you could say) was a thing backstab and ambush were so fun.
tardy jasper
Tbf sub doesn’t top the charts unless the game is over in the first 30 seconds
It’s all burst no sustain
jolly sierra
played more shuffles
and don't get how ppl dies against double dps with a healer in the first 30 secs
just stayed sapping to force dps defensives while they doesn't had their heal and instead our dps passed away xdd
pale storm
I don’t think it’s really ever a good idea to just triple sap at the start, you fall too far behind
jolly sierra
nah is good idea
if ur team is aware, just will fully burst, and then if they have not healer at least 1 should die
dull bridge
let me introduce you to the concept of defensive abilities
spark egret
shiv and pray
jolly sierra
OOF
jolly sierra
<:FeelsWeird:585739277120307220>
did they feel easier after their nerf this week?
sharp sierra
did they feel easier after their nerf this week?
i didnt notice a difference, same annoying playstyle
jolly sierra
F
sharp sierra
Yeah disc priest is good. I played 3 today that were horrible though. It was fun when he was on the other team. We all noticed first game and he was the target on both sides all 6 rounds lmao.
THIS THREAD
!
tribal bay
Yeah disc priest is good. I played 3 today that were horrible though. It was fun...
honestly thats the worst. Such a waste of time because you end up going 3-3
sharp sierra
i cant force myself to heal, shadow is just way too fun to give up
jolly sierra
in our last match everyone went at least 3-x cuz this guy which went deleted even w a heal in his side
was an ele
sour coral
Would you folks suggest sub or assassination for bgs/open world?
I see more Sub rogues in rbgs but like.. thats organized not yolo stuff
inner yew
More sin nerfs!
spice harness
Fixed a bug that prevented Improved Garrote's PvP Multiplier from applying. Damage bonus will once again match the tooltip value of 30% (base 50%) in PvP Combat.
I dont understand what this means, is it buff or nerf ?
dull bridge
nerf
sour coral
tomorrow yeah, I think ill stick to sub though I like the way it plays better
grave basin
isnt that a buff?
potent pivot
it is not a buff
sour coral
tooltip fix into a nerf but its written strangely
potent pivot
garrote was nerfed in pvp a while back and it appears a bug wasn't allowing that to be true
so it's technically a nerf, but it was the intended outcome weeks ago
grave basin
so IG now 20% less dam?
potent pivot
no
it's only improved garrote
from the talent
garrote the spell itself is still the same
and so is shrouded suffocation
and so are all other modifiers
potent pivot
i don't think it'll really be an issue
wise breach
Meh, this stuff seems fine
potent pivot
wise breach
Full list:
graceful ravine
Holy duck
potent pivot
oh, fuck
graceful ravine
Gg
fierce laurel
lol
graceful ravine
SUB BOYS RISE UP
wise breach
These numbing values are weird af though
fierce laurel
Ironically going to buff sin by making people not need to be dark iron anymore.
graceful ravine
They accidentally buffed garrote back in January from 25% to 30%
wise breach
9.54% with MP, 14.4 with Shiv
potent pivot
still no Nightstalker or any other bug fixes
graceful ravine
The way the garrote change reads is deceiving, they’re trying to hide their mistake lol
potent pivot
honestly about to take a break from this game 
potent pivot
The way the garrote change reads is deceiving, they’re trying to hide their mist...
ye, changes like that are always worded weird af "bug fixes"
sharp sierra
NEAT - wasn't aware mages could see through stealth now
potent pivot
tame nexus
I cant catalyst pvp gear, how good/bad is full Conquest gear compared to tier set thats around 408-415?
potent pivot
I cant catalyst pvp gear, how good/bad is full Conquest gear compared to tier se...
why can't you catalyst it?
because of PvE needs or something?
tame nexus
Need charges for pve
graceful ravine
Outlaw buffs when
tame nexus
Thanks
spice harness
So its 13% nerf on garrote from stealth, and 11% dmg decrease on deathmark
I think assa is still best melee overall
graceful ravine
Team liquid rejoice
jolly sierra
they are decimating disc too
jolly sierra
yeah
no changes for them yet
well we still have something to stay strong
the 4set is still not nerfed, even when they said they would do that
anyways, US players u have a task
when u are able to play, tell us here how is going the spec
summer plinth
Ah man. Just started playing my rogue again today and assa gets nerfed. lol
Do I have to learn sub now?
dusk spindle
is mind numbing getting buffed or nerfed ?
wise breach
nerfed
jolly sierra
nerfed, apparently is not enough for non-rogues to have it nerfed by 33%
wise breach
from 12% to 9.54% with Master Poisoner, and from 18% to 14.4% when Shivved
fringe merlin
wise breach
Tbh these nerfs are whatever
jolly sierra
nah no way killed the spec lol
unless they nerf garrote baseline dmg this is not over
sharp sierra
Yeah i’ll wait and see how it plays. If it’s ass i’ll hop on the lock more 😅
jolly sierra
im seriously thinking in moving to ret at 10.0.7 when is in its apex
but thinking in returning to assa if is killed
like in early season
sour coral
what does ass bring that sub doesnt?
sharp sierra
Constant damage
sharp sierra
Instead of just a burst when dance is up
sour coral
ill give it a shot 🙂
fringe merlin
im seriously thinking in moving to ret at 10.0.7 when is in its apex
Lmao fotm rerollin'
fringe merlin
I've been paladin forever so im hyped
Funny tho I just got my rogue to max and started to gear
Im second guessing it now since sub looks hard af
jolly sierra
i laughed a lot at ret pre nerf
fringe merlin
Mage/Paladin mains
jolly sierra
but after killing the spec w the nerfs
just resolved to get at least 1k8 and park it for later
got the goal, so im just focusing in rog atm trying to get 2k1
got 2033, then dropped hard to 1690 and then i almost got back to 2k right now
but maybe will rest a couple of days after reset and see how is going tbh
jolly sierra
Im second guessing it now since sub looks hard af
sub is strong af RN, without any recent nerfs in the radar will be a good option as rog
sour coral
sub is super fun but outside of cooldowns it feels like..
fringe merlin
I've never played rogue so I wanted to just be a noob slayer as assa
fringe merlin
Sub is for like experienced rogues imo
jolly sierra
u have r1 here, so u can ask them if u wanna advice
sour coral
whoah four poisons, this feels awesome
fringe merlin
Tis
sour coral
this one in particular looks rather fun
fringe merlin
I hope this doesnt kill assa tho I think the spec is dope
jolly sierra
doubt a lot being dead
remember WW with huge nerfs to strike of the windlord and thunderfist
but stayed strong
sharp sierra
this one in particular looks rather fun
This is too situation with aoe shiv
sour coral
was looking at stuff on the faq its probably more meant for rbgs or somethin
sharp sierra
All i know is i’m glad i have a max lock and war if this turns out bad 😅
sour coral
i just think serrated bone spike is ass :[
sharp sierra
The dot is ass, it hits decent though. And the fact that it doesn’t clear until out of combat is good since most people can’t not stay out of combat.
Sucks too because i wanted to try a healer. Leveled disc all the way up lmao. He’s 69 now🤦🏻♂️
jolly sierra
dot is still a 2% more dmg with lethal dose
sour coral
oh good point
jolly sierra
and yeah, u shot very hard with bone spike
sharp sierra
Lmao my first arena game as a lock. They put me in with 2 Dks and a feral. I couldn’t move, it was horrible.
jolly sierra
specially is got crit, helped by ur +10% crit chance talent
sharp sierra
And to top it off i want in a 1500 mmr lobby as a 0 rated lock 🤔
jolly sierra
what about ur portal and teleport?
sharp sierra
+159 for going 2/6 though lmao
jolly sierra
:/
well, abo limb just works 1 time when u try to drag away
the thing is yeah, the death grip
in SL literal u were stuck w that
jolly sierra
well, try again
2 dks in the same match if are from the same spec are very rare tho
the last coincidence i've got like that were double havoc dh this week
sharp sierra
Yeah only first game. And they were all 1500 so they had all Vlad gear. And i’m sitting in all blue gear lol. I was able to make each game last like 4m so survivability is insane
jolly sierra
at least the trained one was the warrior there lol
sour coral
I gotta get used to MFD again, been a hot minute with that one
sharp sierra
One was unholy other was frost
lol why is it when i start playing a class, blizzard nerfs it haha
jolly sierra
One was unholy other was frost
F
sharp sierra
so now asass is dead in the water tomorrow
jolly sierra
nah
sour coral
its not dead
jolly sierra
who tf cares if garrote baseline dmg is not nerfed yet
sharp sierra
I still think we’ll be best melee, but we’ll see what ret looks like
jolly sierra
100% will drop to A tier
but will stay there
compared to ret when they fkn decimated it
sharp sierra
Plus the good thing about rogue is the ceiling a good rogue will still be able to kill almost anything
youre joking right. the death mark nerf alone kills the use of death mark itself
jolly sierra
i got some matches even by just keeping healer in sap
sharp sierra
its not even worth pushing in pvp
sour coral
tbh I just wanna gather in world mode in peace, thats how its always been for me. Damage is a nice benefit though
sharp sierra
It’s getting huffed tomorrow so you have awhile lmao. And you can just prot level que’in dung’s fast
Buffed*
jolly sierra
we have a ghost here
sharp sierra
Assa still going to be good, and sub is really good if you’re good at rogue
jolly sierra
at least tell me how much costed ur comm for that pfp of u by DM
wanna one too lol
will repeat this sentence
if garrote baseline dmg is not nerfed
we are not dead
period
lapis steeple
at least tell me how much costed ur comm for that pfp of u by DM
the pfp was around 60usd
sharp sierra
Which classes got buffs besides ret?
versed falcon
if i get 2k on my rogue, can i use the elite appearance on all my other toons?
winter seal
No
dull bridge
do we know when 10.0.7 is getting released
fringe merlin
No
dull bridge
couldn't tell from a cursory google search
wise breach
Likely 2-3 weeks, but that's just a guess
jolly sierra
Which classes got buffs besides ret?
hunters
sharp sierra
that 30% NERF to garrote is gonna hurt :/
jolly sierra
which nerf lol
fringe merlin
Bro just reroll lmao
jolly sierra
the garrote is intended to be nerfed in that way w talent
it just bugged
so they fixed it with reset
sour coral
the new leaf says it all :x
sharp sierra
maybe top D tier imo
You crazy 😂
ok maybe not that low but still c tier for sure
its literally trash now
sharp sierra
ok maybe not that low but still c tier for sure
You still crazy 😂
lapis steeple
🌿
sharp sierra
Still don’t think there will be a melee able to beat us
sour coral
if the ability was being nerfed that much I'd agree but no its the talent
sour coral
lapis steeple
bro's gonna be gone by the time the next stat squish happens for us to see 5k garrote ticks
sour coral
is it gonna hurt? yeah prolly, is it gonna dumpster fire? no
lapis steeple
jolly sierra
who cares for an empowered garrote which will need be 100% refreshed in next 15s
sharp sierra
so which class you guys want nerfed next? ALL i have to do is legit reroll and give it like 2 weeks
lol
jolly sierra
god dude u are worse than me when i whine for demo matches in SS lol
sour coral
stick to what you like, the game will be more fun
sharp sierra
i'd rather get shit nerfed
sour coral
or.. just play whats fun, its a game. enjoy it
jolly sierra
practise more sap to healer and let ur partners force dps defensives in SS
dull bridge
can locks not be able to press every defensive while in a stun
sharp sierra
Lock is getting F’ed why my lobbies like this 😂
jolly sierra
wait till u get the rog in ur match
sharp sierra
Just learning lock and they’re putting me 1.3k+
If i was Destro i would have 0 chance. Figured i’ll go demo just for the extra survivability until i learn it more. Destro won’t be fun until i have more hp most likely.
jolly sierra
yeah, when u are matched w 0 cr fresh into SS u will get 1k5+ mmr players
so is not too adviced to join directly w full blues
specially if there are hardstuck 1k4 players with full conquest there
sharp sierra
Yeah that’s what my lock has. Full blue. It’s cool, the pressure will just teach me faster.
sour coral
as weird as it sounds I feel like i play sub better. Assassination just feels weird
also helps that its purple
faint dagger
can locks not be able to press every defensive while in a stun
well then we'd have to trade the ability to have limitless CC
i refuse to go down that road
sour coral
Yeah the more I play it the more I prefer sub. Controlled burst is awesome
I hear I need a bunch of macros though for it
dull bridge
well then we'd have to trade the ability to have limitless CC
i don't know man as an outlaw it looks like I've traded the ability to do meaningful damage with cc
but i don't dispute, each spec/class ought to have a specialty
faint dagger
How about this, we bring back restless crew, and call it square
sour coral
okay so im flipping through the forums and they are syaing sub is bad.. man Idk what to believe anymore halp
night olive
Does it really matter if you aren't super high rating? Just play what you enjoy
faint dagger
maybe... just maybe... people talking about it kuz it matters to them
its ok to like pushing high rating
sour coral
I mean I would like to eventually i just gotta figure it out lol
night olive
My point is that you can get high rating anyways with whichever class/spec you play, just gotta find something you enjoy
faint dagger
while thats theoretically correct
in practicality thats not really all that accurate
Unless we're strictly talking solo shuffle, in which case, maybe.
sour coral
itd be solo shuffle/world/bgs mainly for me
faint dagger
Playing off meta specs/classes with lower synergy than their counter parts means you'll have to be turbo good at ur shit AND find another cracked player to grind with you. Which is hard asf in the pvp scene with no exp.
faint dagger
itd be solo shuffle/world/bgs mainly for me
ah, yea then go nuts i guess
Shuffle for Outlaw isnt amazing right now but i think its workable to an extent
havent looked at the ratings ina while so maybe i could be wrong
minor cape
okay so im flipping through the forums and they are syaing sub is bad.. man Idk ...
forums are braindead tbh
and reddit
both
sub is good
or like
at least allright
i felt it was shit but in full gear its insane
w that set too
and big mastery
dudes say its bad cause no dam
but burst is huge
and the stun amount is insane too
tribal bay
okay so im flipping through the forums and they are syaing sub is bad.. man Idk ...
sub is not bad at all lmfao
bold bison
sub is very good, sub is very hard
tribal bay
sub does big damage
tribal bay
dudes say its bad cause no dam
it does do dam tho
just press rupture
and take gloomblade
rain verge
Tried to read through the thread since nerfs this morning. Cant find a solid answer - How much should i cry about these nerfs? Or are assa still pumping?
sharp sierra
So what was garrote doing before? I can’t really make sense of the garrote change.
tribal bay
applying like it was PvE
sharp sierra
Oh, i never really pve anything and if i don’t i don’t pay attention because they’re trash mobs. So i don’t know what it was doing in pve lol
tribal bay
lots of damage
potent pivot
Tried to read through the thread since nerfs this morning. Cant find a solid ans...
It’s still going to do fine imo
Garrote nerf overall isn’t that big of a deal
DM nerf is a bit more worrisome, but I don’t think it’s going to ruin the overall viability of the spec
warm lance
sharp sierra
I love stonks.
Speaking of stonks, might short ES today $$$
But yeah i think assa will be in a good enough place still to push and be a top melee. Just won’t be as easy i guess. And sub is unchanged so that’s always another option.
I’m more pissed about level a disc priest all the way to 69 because i wanted a healer too for when i feel like chillin and then they get nerfed 😂
sharp sierra
I think atunement healing. Which yeah would be damage.
It’s funny too because now that priest is basically done i was looking for another class to alt. I like having a low level alt just for days i don’t feel like grinding arena. I was going to make a pally, but now i’m not going to have everyone messaging me seeing i’m low level talking shit 😂
Maybe a hunter, or Druid is next i guess.
tribal bay
It’s funny too because now that priest is basically done i was looking for anoth...
disc is still going to be heaps good lol
tribal bay
I think atunement healing. Which yeah would be damage.
they buffed atunement healing
atonement*
sharp sierra
Oh, well now i’m happy lol.
sullen umbra
where yall finding this stuff
tribal bay
wowhead
polar shard
so apparently sub is busted now?
sharp sierra
Im sitting my rogue aside now
Going back to hunter as main
Rogue is gonna be bad after nerfs
potent pivot
Rogue is gonna be bad after nerfs
No, it isn’t
sharp sierra
Your dots as assass will tickle after this
potent pivot
Yeah, that one hurts a little more
Still isn’t a big nerf though
It’s 20% more where they already took 30%
That first 30% didn’t do very much to assa’s viability at all
Don’t think another 20% will either tbh
With exsang and DM assa will still be just fine
potent pivot
so apparently sub is busted now?
Nothing about sub has changed
sharp sierra
what can sin go with in 2s when you cant find a disc
vague summit
tbh i dont think sin needed nerfs
sharp sierra
id take a dmg nerf for some survivability ngl
the vanish absorb from sub would be insane
polar shard
sub will be meta ?
potent pivot
Assa is still gonna be A tier
sharp sierra
Assa is still gonna be A tier
good one
potent pivot
Let’s stop dooming 
potent pivot
and then you'll see yourself
I think you’ll be the one that’s surprised
sharp sierra
tell you what if im wrong i will personally come in here and apologize
you can quote me on that
sharp sierra
i get what youre saying but when multiplers are getting nerfed (garrote, deathmark, etc) it all adds up
polar shard
isnt assa nerf almost nothing ?
sharp sierra
20% to deathmark is nothing?
polar shard
true
sharp sierra
its not even worth pushing in pvp
polar shard
anyway assa has been dominating all of DF so far it was gonna happen at some point for sure
polar shard
is sub really good rn ?
sharp sierra
what scares to me honest is that legit every last 5 specs i touched blizzard nerfed to the gorund lmao
polar shard
XD
vague summit
Blizzard can’t balance pvp lol
mystic shoal
i get what youre saying but when multiplers are getting nerfed (garrote, deathma...
bro u have literally been dooming since last night
please shut up
lmao
sharp sierra
nop
sharp sierra
cry me a river
mystic shoal
cry me a river
ur the one crying
sharp sierra
have you read your histroy?
mystic shoal
have you read your histroy?
no but i've read yours
stop talking
go play new class or smth
onyx geyser
whats the number 1 tip you can give a main hunter leveling his first rogue?
mystic shoal
whats the number 1 tip you can give a main hunter leveling his first rogue? <:st...
dont get mad when u fuck something up
onyx geyser
sharp sierra
you really took the time to screencap what i wrote lol
you must lead a sad life homie
languid ravine
A: premeditate plans for whatever you are doing
B: become one with your button layout so you can do C
C: stay cool when A doesnt go as planned and
D: makro pickpocket onto sap and use sap very liberally
also use the pickpocket glyph so you can piss off your raid members
I know hunters love pissing off their teammates
thats why I use only huge and loud feather bird abominations as pets
out of respect
mystic shoal
you must lead a sad life homie
🫵🏾 🤡
potent pivot
Can we stop with the bickering
onyx geyser
so i know sub is better for leveling, but when i reach 70, what should i spec for pvp? heard some say outlaw, others say assa
i main bm hunter, as rotation for reference
mystic shoal
so i know sub is better for leveling, but when i reach 70, what should i spec fo...
Sin or Sub
proven kayak
i main bm hunter, as rotation for reference
Play assa if you want something similar to bm otherwise take sub but need to know when to control and when to burst it's not that hard once you get the pattern of how to utilize control and burst
sharp sierra
whats the number 1 tip you can give a main hunter leveling his first rogue? <:st...
You have to be close to attack.
onyx geyser
Play assa if you want something similar to bm otherwise take sub but need to kno...
considering i’ll be leveling as sub, i should probably just continue then right?
sharp sierra
so i know sub is better for leveling, but when i reach 70, what should i spec fo...
Pvp wise assa is constant damage and pressure, sub is burst windows. Outlaw i wouldn’t pvp with but i think some people do.
onyx geyser
hopefully i’ll be learning control as i go
proven kayak
considering i’ll be leveling as sub, i should probably just continue then right?
Yes leveling doesn't matter the spec
Sometimes cc only might win you games
sharp sierra
considering i’ll be leveling as sub, i should probably just continue then right?
If you can really learn sub it’s pretty goated. I loved it back in BC but then quit until now and i have to learn playing PC again before i try.
proven kayak
Sub has fun playstyle the other 2 specs are more like a cookie cutter a melee warlock without defenses and a lesser warrior
onyx geyser
interesting
sharp sierra
Yeah sub feels like a rogue (sealthy backstabbing) assa is more bleed based dots and poisons. I don’t know doesn’t feel like a rogue to me just some hybird
onyx geyser
and do we still use poison? i played a little bit combat rogue in wotlk classic
proven kayak
Yes cripple and wound
sharp sierra
Yes
proven kayak
Play instant for leveling
onyx geyser
ok
sharp sierra
Wound does damage and applies a MS
If you really get into rogue you’ll like it. I personally feel like they have the highest ceiling and don’t have a weakness if you get that good at the class.
proven kayak
The only weakness is if you get double critted by a war to release spirit
sharp sierra
😂
sharp sierra
I haven’t had any problems with wars …. Yet. Usually can make them blow cds within the opener+disarm. Once they get out i can usually vanish and open again with a full kidney and delete
potent pivot
considering i’ll be leveling as sub, i should probably just continue then right?
Play whichever spec you enjoy tbh
waxen meteor
Damn we got another nerf?
sharp sierra
yep and a hefty one indeed
scarlet shell
if yall think assa is dead after nerfs
probably gonna still be the best in pvp combat
scarlet shell
oh nah assa is such an ungabunga spec
its like a mosqito that you can visibly see sucking blood from your arm but you cant swat it off bc it will vanish and reappear 7 secs later
these upcoming nerfs are excellent bc now the assa player has to think before sprinting in
sharp sierra
I am curious to see what raz thinks though
bold bison
he said nbd on stream I think
sharp sierra
ndb?
bold bison
no big deal
waxen meteor
each single one is no big deal, but things start to add up
if yet another one coming then it could be a deal
chrome schooner
DM is cleansed in 9 out of 10 games if you press it since verybody is DID or has an Evoker
jolly sierra
would be a big deal if garrote itself is nerfed for real
chrome schooner
And well, Garrote from stealth being bug fixed is whatever
jolly sierra
instead the improved one
chrome schooner
slightly less dmg when from stealth, whoo
jolly sierra
whoo
chrome schooner
you don't spend your game opening from stealth
it's opener and vanish/meld, most of the garrote casts are going to be normal anyway
waxen meteor
meld what
chrome schooner
unless the game is 1 min and you garrote into meld garrote into vanish garrote
waxen meteor
don't have that skil
chrome schooner
night elf
sharp sierra
Where is the person in Val that you used the vault currency for sockets at?
Evantkis
pseudo zenith
right next to the vault
scarlet shell
asass is going from S tier to like C tier
ok ngl this made my day
like any nerfs to assa will make it drop from S to C tier
FOTM mentality is smthing
proper heath
Garrote isn’t how I win games , I que with a destro lock or hunter . Unless they nerf my ability to que with them , I think we are fine .
lucid citrus
do we go for 4set on sub?
proper heath
I press gouge on healer … somehow my lock has 100-0 the warrior through die by sword . I’m like ok … good class .
night olive
FOTM mentality is smthing
seems to be a lot of that in here
graceful ravine
sub stocks rise up!
harsh steppe
sub > everything
graceful ravine
think sub is prob the most hated spec when its OP
everybody complains about dying in a stun 100-0
sharp sierra
Yeah i loved sub back in the day. Said it before it’s the spec that feels like what a rogue should be
I’ve just been gone too long so i need the handicap of sin for now lmao
harsh steppe
do we go for 4set on sub?
drowsy oyster
hopefully i’ll be learning control as i go
Ya, practice ccing mobs as you go. Since you have stealth you cab practice alot before entering combat too and thua add new challenges as you improve. That's my method in a nutshell for everything I'm doing and will do to master Rogue long-term
Tired hands 🤣
scarlet shell
seems to be a lot of that in here
idk man when i saw outlaw getting battered when it was the best in M+ and raiding i did not roll a fit
95 percentile smth
graceful ravine
so what are we rerolling to!?
proper heath
Nothing beats assa
Too chill to play
They can nerf me all day if they want
With sub I don’t get to eat some chips while someone is dying in a kidney
cobalt pewter
rogue is broken
scarlet shell
assa will still be ungabunga
scarlet shell
i am trying to learn sub again
after these many years
i am enjoying Dark Brew build
proper heath
Do we know if R1 solo shuffle is going to be per spec
chrome schooner
It is
proper heath
Ok I
tame onyx
What can a Prevoker do to avoid getting killed by a rogue? In other words why do Prevokers die so easily to rogues?
proper heath
Time dialate ur self , scale + renewing flame . If u didn’t pre defensive , then trinket or emerald com
Or flame ur teammates for not peeling
Start with flaming
cobalt pewter
What can a Prevoker do to avoid getting killed by a rogue? In other words why do...
everything dies easily to rogues 
proper heath
Flame teammates first , to establish dominance .
sharp sierra
Omg sub puts out damage with cds popped wtf lmao.
Still don’t fully understand secret tech 😅
waxen meteor
does 23 yd apply to melee swings too?
no just 1 or 2 skills
but all skills are from 11 to 23 yards
melee autoattack is still no range i think
tender ferry
23 yds applies to final verdict which is their eviscerate/envenom
sharp sierra
Damn just hit someone with a 30k evis then danced 2 20k shadow strikes then cold blood empowered evis crit for 71k
tender ferry
Their main builder will also have some range too it
sharp sierra
Then got a double backstab crit for 19k a piece
tender ferry
Range is mobility
At least it’s somewhat unique
Enh is the only other battle mage type class
proper heath
We should all be ranged
tender ferry
acrobatic strikes has entered the chat
tender ferry
Assassins use sniper rifles, right?
tender ferry
Demon Hunter*
proper heath
Which makes perfect sense
tender ferry
Ur getting ur edgy classes crossed
proper heath
Like a ranged assassinate ability , omg that would be so good
tender ferry
I want a finishing move called “Nothing Personnel” where I teleport behind my target
Shadow step is already almost there
graceful ravine
they should upgrade shadowy duel to Shadow Realm
jolly sierra
so, are we going ret after 10.0.7? lol
waxen meteor
imagine melee kitting range class 10.0.7
jolly sierra
imagine mages trying to kite u and u just thrash them from 20y
jolly sierra
kek
sour coral
whats the number 1 tip you can give a main hunter leveling his first rogue? <:st...
some stuff actually is hard to solo while leveling, you cant breeze through group quests so unless you have a buddy you'll have to skip em
jolly sierra
will be funny, i wanna see in that moment how they will whine and call for nerfs
sharp sierra
Oh okay, i thought it was just added on i didn’t know it duplicated it and then added 40% JC
sour coral
ones physical and the other is shadow so it has to be two sources
sharp sierra
Yeah, it did it again on a single dummy, so probably has to be what it is
That’s insane.
sharp sierra
Evis seems to hit harder than tech
Not even hitting for what the tooltip shows. Popped all cds had trinket buff 7cb’s and weakness applied and it hit for 27k crit (tech)
sour coral
Tech is weird it hits multiple times yeah
hits like an absolute truckasaurus with cooldowns up
sharp sierra
so anyone test dem numbers about assass nerfs
sharp sierra
hits like an absolute truckasaurus with cooldowns up
Shit was hitting one time on training dummy for around 30k with all CD’d and find weakness
Not sure if i’m using it wrong or something lol. Looked it log and only 1 hit each time unless there were multiple people
Evis hit for 70k plus an addional 45k
sharp sierra
so anyone test dem numbers about assass nerfs
Didn’t test numbers, but still feels good
gleaming pawn
if you aren't within 5 yards of your target, Sec Tech bugs out and the clones don't attack
only thing I can think of as to why you aren't seeing the clone strikes
sharp sierra
Ahh okay. Yeah i was further because i was attacking a dummy that attacks back.
dragonflying is so gay
sour coral
using gay as a negative moniker in 2023, grow up.
my only complaint about assassination is its got a Toooon of button bloat
stark river
really? what classes are you playing?
fierce laurel
The only thing gay about it is not being able to do it everywhere you can fly.
pale storm
I wish we could dragon ride on any flying mount
sour coral
maybe im just having trouble with my binds/ I dont really like marked for death
sour coral
i sorta prefer sub visually but assassination is noticably easier for turning off my brain and grinding out shit
plucky sage
maybe im just having trouble with my binds/ I dont really like marked for death
It's great. Insta kidney, or envenom for burst
sour coral
yeah i just have to macro it properly i suppose
proper heath
yeah i just have to macro it properly i suppose
No need to macro. Just think of it as a button to get you full combo points for whatever you wanna do. Every 30 secs.
sour coral
good point
jolly sierra
cmon tell me how is going assa after the nerf
sour coral
Feels fine almost as if everyone was freaking out for no reason :X
then again im not playing at high tier play
jolly sierra
Feels fine almost as if everyone was freaking out for no reason :X
i knew it
hmm
need to see pikaboo tho
sour coral
Ive been playing rogue since 2006 though so.. adapt and survive
sour coral
no but its noticable I suppose but I mean deathmark is literally shut down hardcountered by a racial so shrug there are other issues
graceful ravine
asssa now in line with other melees at the A tier
jolly sierra
i knew it
graceful ravine
sub top melee imo
jolly sierra
well, do u feel we will still be relevant dayv?
graceful ravine
until rets come streamrolling everybody in a month sure
jolly sierra
ah ofc
graceful ravine
awc still got a ton of rogue mains, will be curious if they swap
sour coral
what makes you say that about sub, the control?
jolly sierra
well, u said u were tired of wow rn, are u thinking in rerolling to ret?
graceful ravine
once they announce the date ill prob try it out lol
jolly sierra
good idea
graceful ravine
i am fotm reroller
jolly sierra
i'll use the ret as main alter too lol
would be a waste if i don't feel the fotm XD
jolly sierra
holy deserved a rework too tho
is way too crappy
noticed it too w ret when i used to match w hpals
the interaction was clingy af
waxen meteor
I feel holy cannot survive at all
as soon as a rogue touches me, i am about to bubble
tbh, if you are opened (as hpal) with 3s silence + 6s kidney, if your teammate doesn't disarm rogue or do some clear cc, how is it possible for pally to survive
but maybe my hpal is undergeared though
jolly sierra
is worse then the rog pressure is enough to force ur bubble and then if he didn't used deathmark straight uses it after the bubble
or when a ww is using skyreach and reset it after u use bubble
graceful ravine
when is awc coming back?
jolly sierra
next year?
sour coral
Ooh its clicking I kinda dig this
pale storm
is there a good Sub pvp guide video somewhere?
jolly sierra
question, does wound poison still stacks with its duplicated version or is just a visual flavour now?
i talk specifically about deathmark
wise breach
The damage does, the healing reduction does not
As I understand it
Didn't really test it
sour coral
Wait does wound poison and the shiv healing reduction stack!?
sour coral
ah okay wound for aoe fan spam healing reduction/cleave then
jolly sierra
no, the thing is
DM still duplicates at least visually the wound poison
so my doubt
sharp sierra
Eh, not too sure about that.
I’m stuck in mmr hell at 1k where people still hit my blinds and don’t focus with me.
sharp sierra
One game i blew up one of the hunts before pally even got to bubble or he was able to turtle. Game lasted literally 18 seconds
sharp sierra
Yeah, usually they aren’t that bad. That was terrible.
I just need to get better at resealth. 90% of the time i feel like i have some sort of bleed and feel like if i wait it out my team will die if i’m not there to help slow people down.
jolly sierra
people in 1k just throws everything at 1st run
after that they just pray for their life
sharp sierra
Yeah one idiot trinketed a cheap shot. So he got put in a full kidney 😂
sharp sierra
I don’t have gouge right now. Trying different spec
jolly sierra
try using it in low brackets