like assas rog
#pvp
minor cape
waxen meteor
A feral on sub?
neon slate
ive been avoiding sin rogue all patch cuz my brain is small and stupid
im gonna play it today tho is it actually hard compared to the other specs?
im bone spiking for filler, keeping bleeds up, deathmark exhang for kill attempts?
or kidney DM exhang?
potent pivot
or kidney DM exhang?
exsang before DM
warm lance
Assa offense wise is the easiest of the bunch. Theyre just wordt defensively
potent pivot
and you can use them separately too
neon slate
Ok exsang first makes sense
How do I use shiv optimally lol, kust every kill go for the MS?
tame nexus
Ok exsang first makes sense
Yea, otherwise you shave off DM time too, which is dmg loss
potent pivot
How do I use shiv optimally lol, kust every kill go for the MS?
yeah but you can use it other times as well, you have 2 charges
it's good for slowing as well
neon slate
Kk and is there an easy way to make my UI show me if garrotes and ruptures are up
marble oasis
I can just say i'm really enjoying all the people crying in AWC chat xD
tame nexus
Kk and is there an easy way to make my UI show me if garrotes and ruptures are u...
WeakAuras addon and Plater profiles
warm lance
Right time to go suck at surv some more babyyy
I got my ass gaped hard today trying to play surv in solo
potent pivot
oof
marble oasis
0-6, 1-5 <a:kek:859300929958314063>
i've had them days. just don't do what i did and dip for 3 weeks from pvp
worthy crag
were they broadcasting two matches at once?
Like one game is flop's team and the other game is nahj's team
marble oasis
yeh they have 2 running at the same time currently
as it's one series below the final as they wanted more games to stream
warm lance
Oh this isnt evne the worst loss streak
unborn portal
I wish there was more of an inbetween s4 SL outlaw and now
I can agree S4 was giga busted
but now ....
lavish idol
Hey guys, which of the FAQ specs you recommend for sub RBG?
potent pivot
Hey guys, which of the FAQ specs you recommend for sub RBG?
either DM+DB or Rotten+DM are fine
lavish idol
feel like my dmg is low whatever I chose 😛
also find in solo queue sub maybe not so viable, everyone seems assass
potent pivot
sub is fine for solo
sub has high burst dmg
not sustained dmg
plays completely different to assa
lavish idol
I've been getting hate for low dmg, but seems a bit expected for the spec. If you're playing to burst
potent pivot
yeah just /ignore em
ppl who flame low dmg to sub rogues have 0 clue about the game
i think they could def give sub more sustained dmg and less burst
but that's the way it plays atm
lavish idol
see there is the gloom spec which is supposedly sustained but I guess not the point
fierce laurel
It doesn’t.
If you’re looking for sustain replicating shadows does way better than gloom
potent pivot
it's more sustained dmg, but it's not comparable to classes/specs that actually do sustain
lavish idol
yea exactly
fierce laurel
Gloom is used to extend go damage slightly with the two backstab talents above rotten and danse
And replicating is kind of a waste without deeper and brew.
lavish idol
prefer sub mostly because I'm scared of thistle tea, never used it before
but I think I need to for FC
graceful ravine
i would love to find a rbg team that lets me play assa in team fights
sounds fun
can you go aoe shiv + aoe rupture build? might be fun
potent pivot
ya thats crazy aoe
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJSIJCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQSikEJRSC
ya, it does
graceful ravine
could be a fun build in theory
wanton breach
i would love to find a rbg team that lets me play assa in team fights
no fun allowed
graceful ravine
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJSIJCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQSikEJRSC
tryna figure out a way to get thrown precision, but dont see a way
potent pivot
tryna figure out a way to get thrown precision, but dont see a way
nah you'd have to drop too much, don't think it'd be worth. it's all in on bleeds
IC->gar->shiv->rupture->fok->CT
graceful ravine
right thats prob a waste of talents
potent pivot
then assa dance could actually be viable
you could play ambush+bleed talents
you'd be more energy starved though
in openers
no vigor, no tea
feels pretty shit to play until you have ppl bled
tested it very early on
tame nexus
Tried that for the fun, felt clunky
potent pivot
yeh
you don't have shadow focus n shit like sub
so it just feels bad
if they fixed that side of the tree then you could consider dropping ER for dance instead tho
but losing the free vers and acro is still a little ehh
tame nexus
felt interesting getting back to back dispatches, but still I found myself fishing for those, it functions but not smooth
fierce laurel
no vigor, no tea
You can play vigor but would give up er or stratagem
graceful ravine
gonna play this to meme in bgs
potent pivot
You can play vigor but would give up er or stratagem
yeh just isn't worth losing mfd or er (even w/ that kinda build)
graceful ravine
applying aoe bleeds with shiv then vanish might be big brain
graceful ravine
i got the aoe fan talent
ultra meme
drake playing AP
most single target dmg in a kidney
graceful ravine
ya i didnt need that for aoe
potent pivot
ye
warm lance
getting chased by rogue, arms, fury lobby as MM and disc goes " you are dying every round hunter" OH RLY
warped anchor
Hunters are unhealable
warm lance
They just zug zug damage and dont even try to peel for you
I feel even more helpless on this than Assa
And thats saying something
warped anchor
Yeah at least assa has evasion and vanish
warm lance
I have 40% wall, turtle and a heal
warped anchor
No one in shuffle presses feint so
worthy crag
a hunter's skill lies in kiting while landing all freezing traps
warm lance
I burn thro scatter, steel, tar trap
everything to try and live
And nothing
I feel like its asking alot to land useful freezing traps in solo shuffle
warped anchor
That's why I play mage, dont need peels
warm lance
Im just trying to get some conquest to gear up and it feels like its impossible to get a 3-3 game as hunter
warped anchor
I am the peel
warm lance
Especially since every fucking lobby is just Warrior, DH, Rogue. Any combination of those
Have fun kiting
warped anchor
Warrior is way too mobile
warm lance
Just now had arms and fury
I sat in camo, the second I show up
Both just leap on me
And thats my life after that
warm lance
In AWC?
graceful ravine
ya vs drakes team
warm lance
On the upside this is just an alt right now so I honestly couldnt care less if my win loss is dogshit on this for now but man
Ive only been going 1-3 wins all day except the first MM game I played
graceful ravine
watching pikas pov
is sick
did yall see the shadowstep thru the wall
never seen that in my life
potent pivot
yerp
fierce laurel
Lol. He was talking shit about sub on stream yesterday
But awkwardly.
Clearly just trying to hide this comp from scouting.
winged pike
wtf was that triple cheapshot bomb go LMAO
golden guardians the only team to do some omega fried go and have you believing they will still die there
they sent bubble and trinket swap for it
the dream is alive i guess
warm lance
Im watching jellybeans PoV cause im relearning hunt atm lmao
warm lance
Its refreshing to see something other than 2 assa
warm lance
I felt like my damage was still fucking bonkers in solo when I played 2 games earlier. Sure I did dogshit on both and lost 140+cr but still
DMG is still stupid high on assa
graceful ravine
WOOO
warm lance
JELLY YELLING IN MY EARS AAA
lucid citrus
LOL
potent pivot
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
wicked rampart
God dayum
graceful ravine
etc
wicked rampart
They actually did it
potent pivot
HES FUCKED HES FUCKED HES FUCKED
warm lance
Jelly fucking went off
fierce laurel
Remember sl season 1?
Hpal mage and war/ww.
graceful ravine
pikas build
wicked rampart
The one time in recent history the meta is huge for sin/SP and they win with sub/MM lmao
brave talon
pikaboo is insane
fierce laurel
Wow. Wasn’t expecting that mobility talent
wicked rampart
The step through wall/pillar tech is so gnarly
tardy sequoia
I've been thinking, since Conq gear scales up to 424 in Arenas, is it worth upgrading it ?
little sequoia
What's my sin burst opener with SBS
fierce laurel
He uses both conq daggers too.
warm lance
I've been thinking, since Conq gear scales up to 424 in Arenas, is it worth upgr...
Only if you use it in pve
tardy sequoia
Only if you use it in pve
sick then, no need to upgrade for me then. Ty ty
tardy sequoia
my pve gear is 420ilvl, i might spend Honor elsewhere
tardy sequoia
yeah
fierce laurel
Snapped this incase anyone wants.
warm lance
Almost like gear isnt THAT important 
potent pivot
well i was also referring to his talents
potent pivot
and the cold blood->shuriken storm poggers
fierce laurel
He did?
potent pivot
graceful ravine
apparently they played sub mm cos wiz has covid lol
warm lance
hey it worked
winged pike
sub mm is such an unstable comp for both sides though lol
could easily go either way but its actually cooked to watch a team like luminosity overlap all the time cause they legit have microseconds to decide
brain pre sacs the scatter, runs into the bomb, gets cheapshotted and has to bubble out
etc
warm lance
jesus fuck can I fucking stop going 1-2 wins
Getting a MM-Sub combo in solo shuffle is a nightmare. It doesnt work
waxen meteor
pikas build
Why no improved wound? Because Mm has MS?
warm lance
rotten is worse
Yeah, just NA rogues seem to go Rotten
fierce laurel
Raz when do you send your sec tec in the gos? 2nd gcd after cs?
warm lance
Ive been doing solo shuffle for about 4hrs now and ive got 300 conquest
Im just about this close to just throwing my PC out the window
tawny kestrel
cheap evis er sectec
these NA games are also just as fucked as always
some of these ppl dont even do their rotation correctly
fierce laurel
And just let the stun gap and hope sec tec lands?
tawny kestrel
theyre doing 15k dps
worthy crag
is rapid fire stacked on a modifier or does it always hit hard on its own
tawny kestrel
And just let the stun gap and hope sec tec lands?
u can cheap shot again after er
then u just have to turn to the side so u dont auto
warm lance
is rapid fire stacked on a modifier or does it always hit hard on its own
It just hits hard now
fierce laurel
You only get 2 globals in between cs unless you’re ok with the .4s gap.
tawny kestrel
Yeah, just NA rogues seem to go Rotten
ye cus they dont know any better
tawny kestrel
You only get 2 globals in between cs unless you’re ok with the .4s gap.
i know
cheap shot goes are always awkward
is what it is
warm lance
ye cus they dont know any better
Ive liked Dark brew over Rotten this whole time but what do i know im a shit rogue
tawny kestrel
wouldnt copy pika is all i wanna say
warm lance
Well, shit "insert class"
warm lance
I tried a pika build when I first leveled my rogue and after looking at stuff after the fact I was like
"this aint right"
tawny kestrel
ye he has no idea so just dont bother looking
tawny kestrel
there's a rotten + ER build that avidance is using
ye thats good too
warm lance
Im starting to get extremely frustrated with solo shuffle but I still havent got to do 2s or 3s yet. My friend leveled his disc and hes been learning it for PvP lately but we havent had a chance to play yet
And trying to get conquest to gear up this hunter is just a nightmare
tacit dagger
As assa in shuffle should I be keeping my dots on everyone?
rancid cipher
As someone who just recently reentered pvp after long time, are there any addons that I need to install to make my life easier?
warm lance
As assa in shuffle should I be keeping my dots on everyone?
That entirely depends on the situation
If its 2 melee, keep dots on both. Or if the 2 dps are close enough at all times as a whole
But dont go out of your way to dot everybody cause thats wasted time
lavish idol
wtf is going on with solo shuffle... last three games 0 rating and I won
well actually came second in one, but still
tawny kestrel
tawny kestrel
wtf is going on with solo shuffle... last three games 0 rating and I won
typically u need to go 4-2 to get rating
if ur mmr is higher than ur cr u can go 3-3 and get rating
if ur mmr is lower than ur cr u can go 4-2 and not get rating
is what it is
warm lance
I really wanna go do some solo on rog but today has been AWFUL in terms of solo overall
I went 0-6 and 1-5 on assa and ive more or less had a 30-40% winrate on hunter
And that 0-6 cost me about 200MMR
Kinda killed my vibe and motivation ngl
waxen meteor
You will get a better day tmr!
warm lance
Yeah well this isnt the worst ive had it anyway
Ive gone from 1.9 to 1.6 alrdy, now i went 1920 to 1770
I can bounce back
tawny kestrel
solo shuffle is rly toxic in that way tbh
u can lose so much rating in 1 game
cant look at it the same way as u do 2s and 3s
rating goes up and down way more in solo shuffle
so just gotta keep going really
warm lance
Yeah, I lost 70+ rating in one match and it took me 4wins to get that much when I was getting back up from 1.6
Most of the solo wins Ive had have been 20-30 rating gains
tawny kestrel
best tip for low rating tbh is prob just focus on doing damage
just pump as much as u can
and dont worry about cc
u cant rly cc as assa anyways
warm lance
I literally just full send
tawny kestrel
aah
warm lance
I mix in some CC but
I cant do much if I die after exhausting all my CDs
Ive noticed it even more on hunter now that nobody peels for you
tawny kestrel
i rly wanna watch some1 play low rated assa cus idk what ppl do so wrong
warm lance
But when I open on anyone I get insta CCd, no matter the situation
Well, I could put on a stream or something next I play
My MMR is 1.7-1.9
tawny kestrel
what kind of dps do u do?
warm lance
I dont blame my losses on other people, I know I always couldve done something more, but its just kinda obvious that parts of it is just the unpredictability of solo shuffle where you cant rely on your teammates, but I still do
tawny kestrel
swear u just win by doing damage at that rating or
tawny kestrel
try these talents if u arent already using them
BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFEtkIJIHIJlEAAAAAAAJAIJAAAAAAAUQiD0SikkkokSSCCJJJJA
think its the best
warm lance
assa?
tawny kestrel
ye
warm lance
that was basically just 2 points off what i was using lol
Kinda feel like queing up
See how it goes
potent pivot
kinda surprised you'd be recommending unbreakable stride
warm lance
Todays score just looks awful at 1-11
potent pivot
why on earth
potent pivot
ye
tawny kestrel
ye sure
maybe take gouge or 15% move speed
up 2 u
gouge kinda good in solo shuffle
tawny kestrel
looks good
warm lance
I couldnt play without it
unborn portal
race changing to NE; its not on GCD right, I can make a macro to shadowmeld -> stealth assuming stealth is not on cd
tawny kestrel
were u running intent to kill already
potent pivot
i think DN>Lethality
tawny kestrel
or is that a change
potent pivot
in most match ups
warm lance
race changing to NE; its not on GCD right, I can make a macro to shadowmeld -> s...
I use this macro:
#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cancelaura Shadow Dance
/cast [nostealth] Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
Just gotta move when you stealth
And its fine
warm lance
It took me a few lobbies to remember to move
worthy crag
double arms lobby..
warm lance
With burned meld CDs when I stealthed in place
unborn portal
wdym move
tawny kestrel
hmm i mean
unborn portal
With burned meld CDs when I stealthed in place
I press button more than once or;
tawny kestrel
realistically
what does physical damage
sub rogue and arms warrior
and hunter
thats about it
potent pivot
assa
warm lance
were u running intent to kill already
I was using this
potent pivot
??
tawny kestrel
assa has almost 0 physical damage
warm lance
I press button more than once or;
I just spam it
tawny kestrel
bleeds isnt physical
tawny kestrel
are u 100% sure
unborn portal
til; blood isnt real
potent pivot
yes
tawny kestrel
cus it goes through armor
potent pivot
its counted as physical
warm lance
Is this spaghetti code
tawny kestrel
maybe then sure
unborn portal
Bleeds are damage over time debuffs that deal physical damage. As a physical debuff, bleeds generally cannot be removed until the debuff expires, although there are a few means of doing so. In addition, bleed effects cannot be resisted and ignore armor.
tawny kestrel
ye u can def drop 1 point lethality for dn
potent pivot
they ignore armor but not physical DR
potent pivot
i think that's why whaazz was saying it specifically
tawny kestrel
yeah its correct
potent pivot
because awc is all assa rogues 
waxen meteor
they ignore armor but not physical DR
What’s what I remember as well
tawny kestrel
lethality is a bit useless anyways
potent pivot
yeah
warm lance
My first lobby I did on Sub after I swapped to rupture to build was actually Sub, Outlaw, Assa, X
potent pivot
mm, ret, warr, all physical
warm lance
Guess who went 6-0
tawny kestrel
i guess monk too
unborn portal
out of all r1's/specs/classes who does the most theory crafting that is actually good
potent pivot
i guess monk too
ye
potent pivot
<:DeformedApuThinker:603320917757657131> out of all r1's/specs/classes who does ...
for pvp specifically?
unborn portal
yes
potent pivot
i'd have to say it's rogue or DK atm
tawny kestrel
rogue typically takes the longest to figure out
potent pivot
ohh
unborn portal
I think like pika and whaaz goated but they can make anything work lmao
warm lance
currently surv
potent pivot
whaaazz nahj bicmex flarkness
warm lance
Flark for how much of an asshole he is, hes real smart with this stuff
warm lance
If I level up my DK Im 100% checking him out again
unborn portal
flark v dry
potent pivot
nahj comes up with some lowkey goated stuff
tawny kestrel
and some dumb stuff
potent pivot
kalvish is also big brain
warm lance
Nahj is also a doomer
tawny kestrel
every rogue player is a doomer
rancid cipher
Is there a begginer build for assa pvp?
potent pivot
warm lance
Actually, from R1 players. Bajheera comes up with his builds on his own and theyre usually what the community ends up with too
potent pivot
Is there a begginer build for assa pvp?
the builds in the faq
warm lance
For warrior
potent pivot
i wish more pvpers came together to TC
but i guess it's more competitive with the AWC and all
gotta hide the tech
warm lance
Tho im biased, ive followed Bajh since before he even got Gladiator the first time so
potent pivot
tawny kestrel
youd be surprised how little ppl actually theorycraft for awc
most ppl just say stuff
and twitch chat believes it
potent pivot
yep
warm lance
Most people just pick up stuff and test it
And they make it work cause theyre good enough
tawny kestrel
i made ppl think there was a secret pve trick to do 20% more damage as assa in shadowlands
ppl will believe anything
warm lance
I had a castsequence opener macro in Legion for sub
PvE
Was actually recommended in here iirc
in this discord
unborn portal
I still think hes underrated
I stopped listening to bajheera when I found out he doesnt season his food
actually beyond fried
warm lance
I stopped listening to bajheera when I found out he doesnt season his food
My dad was a bodybuilder; He didnt season his food
So its a thing with bodybuilders
unborn portal
theres a phrase I like
warm lance
Im European
tawny kestrel
what
warm lance
Ye
unborn portal
"white people had conquered the world for spice, then have the audacity to not use any"
warm lance
We're fried
unborn portal
unborn portal
I wonder if my coach cuts out seasoning
warm lance
I wanna see the world
warm lance
what division you got a show at?
warm lance
lol
unborn portal
I travel too much for work
warm lance
The guy who won ended up going pro and we watched a show with him in it
And most of the guys would've lost to my dad too
unborn portal
its not.... a lifestyle I want to sustain
warm lance
So if he wasnt too old to keep the lifestyle up at the time he couldve done well
unborn portal
I was doing meal prep before; but... this is different
warm lance
Ive never hated my dad as much as I did than when he was a bodybuilder
Actual asshole cause he was so hungry
unborn portal
warm lance
all the time
warm lance
I wanted to and probably couldve kicked his ass back then, but I actually fear him way too much to try anything
Dudes been pro boxer etc etc etc
warm lance
Yeah
He trained me from when I was like what, 5 years old?
In Boxing and then I took up MMA
warm lance
I hate hurting people, but I was technically really good
unborn portal
many big guys in gym v nice
warm lance
I do like Crossfit enough to do that but lately ive been too out of it and depressed to go to the gym
unborn portal
so physical exertion good
warm lance
I like Crossfit cause it just feels like youre doing regular physical stuff
But I also work at construction so
Just hitting the gym regular doesnt do that good for me personally. Doing a more variety based system like Crossfit is more beneficial for my lifestyle
sharp sierra
thought i might go on my balance druid for some games
get trained 5 rounds by warriors
warm lance
Anytime I see a Balance thats my kill target
warm lance
The MMR was probably abit low for your CR, unlucky
warm lance
Yo @potent pivot you done the opener stuff you were thinking about yet? 
warm lance
for faq
warm lance
Yeah so if you got 0 from a 4-2 then the MMR was too low for you, but you gained MMR anyway.
warm lance
Yeah, was just thinking incase you did so I could direct ppl there
cause it gets asked alot
sage tusk
unlucky honestly i was playing with 2100 mmr going 5-1
had a 0-6 run and now playing with 1500s
in a span of 20 games lmao.
potent pivot
oof
sage tusk
i just want 1800 for set
potent pivot
cause it gets asked alot
yeah it does, but i think openers in the faq would do more harm than good to be real
sage tusk
it feels rather hopeless 5 sessions in a row either 4-2 or 3-3 gain 0
but god forbid i go 2-4 and lose 70
warm lance
yeah it does, but i think openers in the faq would do more harm than good to be ...
Maybe add a column with "openers are fluid and we cannot recommend just one to use"
Idk if thatd help
potent pivot
newer players can get too caught up in trying to force every gcd the same way as someone tells them to etc
warm lance
Yeahh
And even if you add like, 5, potential openers
Itd still just be "which one is best" right?
potent pivot
yeah but it's different for every talent build
for sub at least
and if i'm being honest
potent pivot
from seeing how many people still ask about assa pve opener in #assassination s
warm lance
I still dont know how to open on Sub
potent pivot
i don't think it'd do much lol
potent pivot
1: people see opener in faq
2: people go to channel and ask about it anyway
warm lance
Same with FFXIV class discord that I was active in
But ykno what annoys me more than that tho?
Someone posting a question in a discord that that they could justpost on google
and get an answer insta
sage tusk
Why is there no exsan in any of the builds is it just preference or something
or just ass
warm lance
Exsang is kinda a preference thing imo
potent pivot
Why is there no exsan in any of the builds is it just preference or something
mostly preference
warm lance
I use it myself
potent pivot
eu has started to prefer exsang lately
warm lance
My opener always has Exsang
potent pivot
na still doesn't
warm lance
My opener is dots>exsang
potent pivot
those builds are just based on the most popular picks of top rated players
warm lance
Usually forces some trinkets
warm lance
<:YEP:775003936796573699>
I have an RL friend who does this
Daily
I always just say "just copy that to google"
He doesnt like me saying that
potent pivot
most videogame info can be found through google easily
if it's popular enough a topic
sage tusk
if i take exsan am i dropping internal bleeding
potent pivot
or MA
warm lance
After playing with IB id drop MA before it
But I have this now that Raz recommended. Havent tried yet
tawny kestrel
think u drop rushed setup and go deadened nerves instead
warm lance
I guess can do that depending on matchup
tawny kestrel
rushed setup does nothing for assa
warm lance
cant get deadened with how it is rn
potent pivot
or even gouge
potent pivot
warm lance
need fleet footed
tawny kestrel
im bit drunk sry
warm lance
there we go
sharp sierra
sin needs another capstone 🙈
sage tusk
because if im playing in any other version of this game
i would get points
especially if i do it 7 times
40 games.
40 games of going even or better
graceful ravine
it just means your cr = your mmr
its your own fault if you cant win 4-2 in any of your 7 games
sage tusk
i do go 4-2
graceful ravine
nothing to do with blizz
sage tusk
and i still get 0
ive been 4-2 3 of out 5 times ive just palyed
and i still get zero lmfao.
waxen meteor
The mechanism is just trying to move your CR to MMR
graceful ravine
likely because you went 1-5 or 2-4 in the 2 out of 5 games you played
waxen meteor
Like if you do a 6-0 and boosts your MMR a lot, even if you do 2-4 next solo you will still gain CR
It’s all about MMR
And that’s why people were dropping solo before the punishment patch
sage tusk
yea i was 2100 mmr
waxen meteor
Back then you were only punished by CR, but no punishment in MMR
tawny kestrel
🧢
sage tusk
crazy considering i was going 5-1 6-0 consistantly
why would i cap
no reason for me to lie bout it
sage tusk
how many games are placements
potent pivot
10 afaik
sage tusk
then yea i was already out of that
waxen meteor
Then you probably run into a bug..
waxen meteor
This is very early game
sage tusk
yes
i was 5-1 6-0 still
after
like i said i was at 2150 at some point
then i went 0-6 4-2 to 3-3 and it put me all the way to 1500
i understand mmr evening out and all that
sage tusk
but thats ludicrious i can play 50 games and not get a single point.
well he said 10 games
did he not.
so total that was 24 games
12 above what he orignally said lol
tawny kestrel
dont think u get 10 full games of solo shuffle as placements
potent pivot
matches, not rounds
worthy crag
triple melee + fistweaving mw lobby
worthy crag
what a fucking shitshow
tawny kestrel
u gotta be lying
sage tusk
again why would i lie
tawny kestrel
to cope
tawny kestrel
i refuse to believe it
waxen meteor
Regardless, if you have finished few full matches, the MMR adjustments can be big
summer plinth
I noticed the recommended build has improved poisons and fatal concoction in it. I am running vicious venoms and tiny toxic blade? what's the different in swapping those talents around?
waxen meteor
Yeah first few in then end put you around 1500
potent pivot
if you're still in placements and you lose a game where everyone else is 1600MMR, you will be shoved towards 1600MMR
that's how placements are
they are trying to place you in the proper starting bracket
potent pivot
I noticed the recommended build has improved poisons and fatal concoction in it....
TTB can be good, VV is kinda ass
over all it won't make a big difference
summer plinth
Ah. Okay. Didn't know if I was gimping myself with my talents
summer plinth
thanks
waxen meteor
The thing is, if you are at a certain MMR range, 4-2 doesn’t get much MMR growth anyway
graceful ravine
his record for today is 24-42
tawny kestrel
@potent pivot BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFEtkIJIHIJlEAAAAAAAJAIJAAAAAAAUCBtkIJJJpkSSCCJJJJA this should be the best build unless u rly want gouge
waxen meteor
You either need to continually do 4-2
potent pivot
Tbh 10 full matches for placement seems a bit too many
that's how it is for 2v2/3v3
graceful ravine
nowhere close to 2100 lol
tawny kestrel
waxen meteor
Yeah that was like your 3rd full match
graceful ravine
where do you see 2150 in this photo
potent pivot
yeah but i'm not going to only recommend something like that, a lot of people swapped towards it for awc but i don't see it being the best for everything
tawny kestrel
yeah but i'm not going to only recommend something like that, a lot of people sw...
fair
potent pivot
i agree it's a good build
waxen meteor
Then if you lose your 4th full match 0-6 or sth, it may drop super quickly
potent pivot
but i think some things like step CDR can be swapped into some stuff
graceful ravine
you said you went 3-3 7 times but youre actually 24-42 for the day
so yes, capping
sage tusk
yes
tawny kestrel
but i think some things like step CDR can be swapped into some stuff
step cdr is kinda wild into almost everything
tawny kestrel
unless u already have high uptime
waxen meteor
It’s okay.. but the thing is once you finish certain amount of games
potent pivot
unless u already have high uptime
yeh but if you think about most games on ladder it isn't difficult to have high uptime, unless vs 2 casters or like, ww/mobile classes
graceful ravine
so is the 24-42 accurate or not
waxen meteor
3-3s won’t get you much cr if not zero
uneven grove
GG vs Luminosity match was insane
tawny kestrel
yeh but if you think about most games on ladder it isn't difficult to have high ...
hmm idk, at the rating i play ppl tend to be spread so being able to step a bit more for garrotes etc is kinda big
waxen meteor
Btw is heal voker nerfed last patch badly?
potent pivot
hmm idk, at the rating i play ppl tend to be spread so being able to step a bit ...
ye but how many assa rogues are at your rating :d
tawny kestrel
many
potent pivot
~50?
tawny kestrel
yeah
graceful ravine
GG vs Luminosity match was insane
pika wouldve killed in the duel if he had cold blood up
potent pivot
coulda been assa tho i'm fried sometimes
tawny kestrel
im 2nd assa, 4th sub 1st outlaw atm
potent pivot
uneven grove
man watching Thug is 100x more fun than watching RMP
waxen meteor
but he used CB in the previous go to.... shuriken storm
Probably played too much warrior recently 
Warriorlized
waxen meteor
Take CB out from hot key, leave only macro with st
worthy crag
thats what I do too but they got out of range so CB activated but the attack didnt go out
and then fat fingered shuriken toss like boom
jolly sierra
i wanna play my BM monk again today before sleeping
graceful ravine
cant get over how crazy this play was lol
how often do you see an actual 1v3 situation with the other teammates 50+ yds away cc'ed
the stars aligned for this lol
jolly sierra
compared to former year AWC this one is funny af
1st the BM deleting one of the best rogues worldwide and now this
tribal bay
how do you play without vigor talented
im using raz's rupture sub build
run out of energy instantly before i've even hit my buttons
jolly sierra
ask him he is in this discord lol
strange stag
Do you think i can push rating by just queing alot? Im 2k stuck
graceful ravine
You don’t play vigor regardless as sub
summer plinth
Well, I managed to claw my way back up to 1550 in solo after taking a bit of a nose dive. Still 40 off of my highest of 1590 for the season, but at least I'm not going in the wrong direction. 😅
copper gazelle
so you jsut cant stealth against DKs I guess? UH specifically?
Not sure what is with near zone wide stealth breaking.. but, is there an alternate strat for opening on dk/heal teams?
halcyon timber
Abomination farts tag you and break you out of stealth def around 20 yards +.
copper gazelle
waited for it to despawn, came around a pilar about 25-30 yards away and got destealthed still
jolly sierra
dont do that, the bastard can mount up and run around
inner yew
Sin or Sub for RBG?
worthy crag
damn, dps q times are def shorter on a saturday night
I think sub is considered better for rbg
but both good tbh
waxen meteor
Sin or Sub for RBG?
Sub
Quicker CD
Better 1on1 (Defend and Steal resource)
Better burst and shadow Duel (Kill flag carrier)
graceful ravine
toxic
worthy crag
you mean you dont like being fistweaved on top of a double melee?
I actually had enhance + feral + arms + fistweaver lobby earlier
so toxic
and then a double arms lobby after that
shittiest RSS day of the season
waxen meteor
My SAT night solo is always bad
for whatever reasons
Guild arranged a nice solo competition
That's great
worthy crag
luckily I managed to hit a new season high, even though I wish i was higher
waxen meteor
Then I queued a normal queue, somehow queued 30+ mins
2-4 and that's it for today, reached 5000 this week
tribal bay
waited for it to despawn, came around a pilar about 25-30 yards away and got des...
It’s not 25-30 yards
Ur exaggerating
Say for example nagrand arena id he drops it in mid coming out of gates and you went left or right around pillar then you won’t be taken out of stealth
If u went mid then ur fkt
marble zealot
So I've been playing my rogue since vanilla, never mained it cause LFG is boring.. Always been around 2K on healers and some dps (1978 expd in 3v3).. Now I cant beat 1500 in solos on any spec (always prefered sub), as sub my dmg isnt there and as ass I get trained to death.. Should I just call it quits or are there any decent solo sub specs out there?
Or should I just try outlaw? I do hate ass with passion..
spark egret
bro outlaw is the worst of the 3
this is why you don't play classes you don't like cause it's fotm
if you prefer sub stick to sub
proper heath
So I've been playing my rogue since vanilla, never mained it cause LFG is boring...
Call it quits, Go get a 2nd job. Go get a wife. Go raise awesome kids. Stop hard committing to 1500 arenas, go live your life. Leave us behind. Its too late for us.
marble zealot
HAHA I have a wife, got a two kids, working 40-60 hours/week..
tribal bay
So I've been playing my rogue since vanilla, never mained it cause LFG is boring...
use raz's build
marble zealot
Can you link it? I dont know who raz is 😄
tribal bay
yeah
BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAARJBAAAAAAQIJJJSCEggkISSSSSSSkiIJFkkQSCABAAAA
@marble zealot
marble zealot
TYy
grave pier
Hey guys got a question
the weekly we do for the Revival Catalysty
the currency we get
is that for EACH character
or for ALL characters
warm lance
Account wide progression
potent pivot
Can you link it? I dont know who raz is 😄
i'd suggest getting a build from #pvp-faq over the one he just linked
potent pivot
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there's a couple things off with this btw
tribal bay
there's a couple things off with this btw
whats wrong with it
so i can fix mine up
i just copied raz's build
potent pivot
yeah i think he left unbreakable stride on his on accident idk
you can take improved wound over that, or something else
also for most people who need a recommended build i think cloaked in shadows should def be in them
tribal bay
also for most people who need a recommended build i think cloaked in shadows sho...
its hard to take cloaked in shadows
potent pivot
it's not
tribal bay
what can you drop to take that
potent pivot
1 sec of shadow dance
tribal bay
then you cant take double vanish
potent pivot
there's a couple diff things you can drop for it but that's prob the best point
yes you can
tribal bay
its because of the replicating shadows point
potent pivot
i just think it's insanely bad for beginners to play without cloaked
tribal bay
so you take away 20% rupture dam for vanish shield
potent pivot
that extra defensive is strong
tribal bay
yeah its pretty tanky but also u could just bank on healer to heal u while ur stealthed
its just tfd is so good as well
potent pivot
you gonna bank on your healer if you're climbing from 0 or 1800?
yeah i like tfd
i guess some goes are kinda planned around it
don't think it's 100% necessary tho
tribal bay
yeah
chrome schooner
if you think you should sacrifice offense to get defensive spells as Sub in order to learn you don't really grasp how it plays
having a meager shield once or twice per game as a beginner/learner isn't what is going to make or break learning the spec and getting 1800 or whatever rating
Sub is an offensive spec and allowing newer players to use Shadow Dance more, make more mistakes on global usage on a fast paced spec because dance is longer so you can "fail" more globals is a way better option than maybe sometimes leaving to a shield inside vanish
potent pivot
it's not a meager shield, it's more hp than vial and it's instant
chrome schooner
it remains useless in most cases
potent pivot
if you think that wouldn't help someone newer cycle defensives you're trolling me rn
chrome schooner
there are very few things right now in the game that kill you in stealth
every single talent point helps don't be dense
OF COURSE having a shield is superior to not having a shield
however telling someone "hey learn sub by having a shield in vanish rather than by having the normal sdance duration"
THIS
is trolling
not the other way around
potent pivot
nah i don't see it that way
potent pivot
bro
chrome schooner
There's no argument around that
potent pivot
you're actually acting 
jolly sierra
potent pivot
i've seen top players take cloaked
chrome schooner
not at the expense of sdance
chrome schooner
also you're a bit too, erm, close minded when it comes to builds people link
potent pivot
anything after that can be mitigated
chrome schooner
like obviously, play rm in 2v2, YES, not playing cloaked is trolling
now if you play rdruid sub ele, not having cloaked is irrelevant
builds depend on comps too, it's not as black and white as "what I pinned in the pvp faq channel"
potent pivot
also you're a bit too, erm, close minded when it comes to builds people link
when a build takes unbreakable stride, yeah i'm totally closed minded
jolly sierra
thoughts about double drakebreaker dagger in sub?
chrome schooner
yeah then I guess you don't understand at all why it's not a bad talent
chrome schooner
there are a myriad of situations where it's useful
a lot more than stuff like imp wound as sub where you kill stunned targets anyway
it's not fresh news that sub plays hit & run much
having a passive that makes sure that when you do a go
any slow on you fades before your own go is over
potent pivot
even raz agreed he didn't know US was in his build
chrome schooner
and then lets you run immediately and line BEFORE the other guy is free
chrome schooner
totally denying ANY offensive counter action
is actually not bad at all
sure it's not like a 3rd sdance charge or whatever
potent pivot
we could sit here all day
chrome schooner
But it's actually good as sub
potent pivot
making arguments for different talents
your experience is going to be different than 90% of peoples
as soon as you get that i think we can come to an agreement
chrome schooner
if you play without sdance duration talents I believe it will yes :p
potent pivot
i see plenty of top 10 players without improved sdance
so
i don't think it's as stale a topic that can be answered so simply as
"i play it, you're trolling if you don't play it and recommend it"
warm lance
holy shit its incredible how a healer can go 7seconds without even trying to get you topped off
And then flames you for dying
surreal barn
@potent pivot @chrome schooner So I heard sub takes sepsis in all top builds now
surreal barn
Totally joking 😂
sharp sierra
It’s like no one lets you sap in solo shuffle; maybe because i just started doing it so super low rated. 🤦🏻♂️
rancid cipher
Whats the prio for Conquest Gear? I just started pvp and I have 2k conq. Im full PVE geared and with honor trinket set. Should I upgrade those to conq ones or should I buy 2x daggers and upgrade from 421/418 ?
potent pivot
Whats the prio for Conquest Gear? I just started pvp and I have 2k conq. Im full...
for conq it should be MH dagger -> gear ->jewelry->OH dagger->trinkets
something along those lines
fierce laurel
In two days you have unlimited.
fierce laurel
I like getting the use trinket early because it’s so much Agi difference.
If you’re sub
potent pivot
that can be fine too but he's not fully honor geared
he's pve geared
so vers>everything
rancid cipher
Im assa and yes, I do miss alot of versa. I will just struggle and buy in order it goes 😄
potent pivot
spend any honor you get on honor gear too
full honor gear even if it's 411 compared to 420 pve gear
has vers
rancid cipher
I have 10k+
potent pivot
yeah buy some pieces
like you don't have to replace your tier set
or weapons
with honor
but other stuff you can for right now to get more vers
get the crafted pvp items from work orders
boots and helm
"free" 424 pvp ilvl
rancid cipher
I need sparks for those?
And In faq I saw drakebreaker's sash and bracers are advised, ones from blood tokens. They are maxed out to 421?
worthy crag
i see plenty of top 10 players without improved sdance
2 points into it is very rare afaik
most people just put 1 rank
well, either 1 rank or 0 points
never really 2 pts, not worth
potent pivot
I need sparks for those?
ye
worthy crag
<@629463378250956810> <@244477229373849602> So I heard sub takes sepsis in all t...
I actually was using sepsis for the longest time but recently ditched it for danse
potent pivot
And In faq I saw drakebreaker's sash and bracers are advised, ones from blood to...
you have to do the weekly quest for trophies of strife to upgrade them
potent pivot
np
graceful ravine
whazz getting flash backs