MASTER JOKER/CARDS THREAD FOR 1.1

[vital cove]

Dw

[rare void]

Ok

[vital cove]

So I feel like this isnt the same case as a weaker immolate etc etc cuz it feels quite strong, but it’s also like you have to have 2 seals AND draw them both in the same pack

I feel like I would like this card more if it was a joker you sold instead

Sell this card to swap the seals of 2 selected cards

[rare void]

I thought this at one point but just thought it didn't really make sense since, you know, that would make it a consumable

Cola is kind of like a consumable in a way but it feels like that makes sense

You would only really use this tarot once or twice

Which would make it bad to have in the pool

You know what I'm starting to see the problem

[rare void]

Doesn't have to be in a pack

You can buy it in the shop

Like the joker idea makes sense

Make it an unlockable uncommon?

If it's common it's too good

If it's rare it sucks

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

[vital cove]

yeah i was thinking uncommon

oh wait i was thinking of a spectral oops

i think i would rather it as a joker because id be sad every time i see this in tarot packs

yeah its basically just a different cola

[rare void]

It can't be spectral cause then medium trance deja vu and talisman are just better and it would make it a useless spectral cough cough Incantation cough cough

[rare void]

The concept just doesn't feel right as a joker

[vital cove]

yeah thats fair

[rare void]

So it'd never get added

I'll just forget about it until I get another better idea

[vital cove]

zamn

[rare void]

Maybe speak to the extra credit guys and how they came up with ideas that felt fun yet vanilla

[rare void]

It happened

If the tarot existed bacon could have switched blue glass for red glass

Just saying

[teal turret]

oh wow thats amazing

[quartz steppe]

Thanks!

[robust vessel]

Not sure how good of an idea this is and it might be a bit one-dimensional
Void Deck: Only Spectral card is Black Hole + All Planet cards are Black Hole

Idk how well “Only ‘blank’ is ‘blank’” really holds up, especially after seeing how Sibyl Deck panned out in practice, but it was just an idea I had and thought it would be cool to suggest

[real juniper]

there should be a tarot card like strength but instead of strength it should be weakness and lowers the card by one

[pure yoke]

New Joker:
Nein (Uncommon, unsure on price): In PvP Blind, each scored 9 debuffs your opponent's highest rank undebuffed card held in hand. (Unaffected by retriggers)

[warped portal]

This doesn't really matter unless on anaglyph cause it just means my aces will be debuffed also i can just stall and let you play your 9 when i have a bad hand, lastly its anoying to change the order of your kings and stuff constantly during pvp somthing which you will have to do

[pure yoke]

Oh right I forgot aces existed

Also changing order wouldn't change which card it hits because it always goes for highest rank

Was mostly intending for it to snipe good face cards but it deciding to go after aces instead would definitely hurt its viability yea

[warped portal]

The way most card treat thr highest is the highest rank but for ties it looks at leftmost card

[pure yoke]

Ah, misunderstood what you were saying, thought you meant like moving a king after a 2

noted

[forest gulch]

this is worse conjied, time element feels wrong turn order goes boom

[cobalt shore]

I dont really like it. If its a tarot its too many rare jokers for me. If its a spectral, there is a chance you will see just one of it in the run, and that poses a big problem. Suppose your opponent uses it and you get a joker. Then you know not to use it whenever you see it (it doesnt really matter if its one in the run or more, its rare enough that one player can potentially see an extra rare joker for a game-winning time)

[ionic rose]

I made a ticket for one and then one of them shut it down:

add the option to play as many cards that are in your hand for april fools as a deck

only in casual though

[copper musk]

checks calendar is october -fantom

or smth like that

[ionic rose]

NOT AGAAAAAAAAAIN

[inland basin]

Hello. I have a wonderful suggestion for an awesome joker. You’re gonna love this one.

It’s called, “Make Love To Your Wife”

That’s right, whenever anyone buys this card, the game pauses for ten minutes. That way, if your wife needs you, or you need your wife, you can stop to make love to her and then proceed the game as normal.

See, I have my amazing dual-breasted wife, but I can’t make love to her when I play Balatro Multiplayer!!! And I get sad!!! So, I need this Joker added. What do you all think?

[thick portal]

BANG

[rugged oxide]

could we make it like 5 maybe?

[elder coyote]

Judgement into “Make Love To Your Wife” into game crash new out

[vital cove]

Maybe like 6-7

[short pecan]

Ian buff 🥀

[inland basin]

Ok see, I wasn’t willing to accommodate until I saw this.

Maybe we can have custom sliders as a setting for how long the pause lasts.

[rustic bone]

https://tenor.com/view/brilliant-move-chess-gif-gif-12778297347705243197

[quartz steppe]

Deck suggestions go here as well?

[vital charm]

I had an idea based on some discussions about Magnet and a mechanic I feel might be interesting:

Primer: after held for 1 round you may sell this joker to lose all but 1 life, reset the shop queue.

The idea is that if you reach a certain point where regret about a ship choice is the overwhelming concern then Primer (a rare joker) would allow you to hit the reset button and possibly reach to that baron that came after you sold mime in ante 3, or take that first shop idol or collect all the suns you saw along the way. Idk how feasible it is with the mods codebase though.

So Primer itself may be very overpowered but I don't see any mechanic that it creates that forces you to take it as there is always surprise upside in the remaining shop queue. Possibly a downside would be something like round 1 blue print round 2 primer repeat forcing an early game dominated by Primer but we already have that with idol/bloodstone/ancient and the variations it creates may be interesting.

[warped portal]

Sounds interesting but a:i think its to complex and b: fucking showman

[twilit minnow]

Throwback is a pretty useless joker in multiplayer. What would hurt buffing it to +.5x/0.75x instead of +.25x? I doubt it would turn seeds into skip off seeds, but I don't know

[copper musk]

probably absolutely nothing

it should probably get buffed for singleplayer though

[twilit minnow]

You never know, maybe it can be a good alternative for xmult jokers that don't show up early, plus gives synergy with skip off

[rugged oxide]

certain players object to any changes made to base game jokers

[twilit minnow]

I see

[fringe marsh]

im still not taking throwback if it gives you 5x for skipping a blind

[twilit minnow]

Damn

[knotty marlin]

IMO it'd be a tall order to get me to use throwback

[rustic bone]

hi im ronitrocket

[forest parcel]

flat xmult joker always is bait

alas, poor yorick

[flat pivot]

I think if we wanna do changes for a season to shake up the meta we could, like ban idol for one season so it doesn't feel like "too punishing" on the card if that makes sense...

[silver rivet]

we could remove speedrun

[agile reef]

We should rip the speedrun change tbf

[hexed swan]

I wanna do a joker for my mod (and hopefully suggest getting it in BMP) around the effects of the Dwarf planets. The good thing about them is that they are the most popular in multiplayer (Pluto for High card, Ceres for Flush house and Eris for Flush Five), and them being the only dwarf planets in the base game brings the pure math of multiplayer deck-building into flavour. Here are some ideas I have for the joker, and if yall have ideas I wanna hear them out: (1) Using a Dwarven Planet consumable upgrades all Dwarven Planets, (2) All hands relating Dwarven Planets will have their level the highest Dwarven Planet level. Here is the sprite I've made as well:

if it had a multiplayer effect, maybe "when nemesis plays one of these hands"

[hexed swan]

I was thinking today for a multiplayer effect something in the line "At beginning of PvP, 1 in 4 for nemesis asteroid to miss, 1 in 2 if the planet is a Dwarf planet"

[tough widget]

Worst joker suggestions oat 😭

[granite hawk]

Multiplayer Joker: Jackpot, Rare, If you have equal or more seven's in your deck, all cards with a probability will retrigger once. Shows how many sevens you are down or up. I actually think it should be a voucher that allows the player with more sevens to have all random card jokers to pick the card that you have the most in the deck

[signal garden]

Multiplayer joker: didn’t think of a name or rarity, but I’d assume atleast uncommon.

Discard a single card. Disable all of that card for pvp round. Destroy on use.

Kinda a soft idol counter + if you noticed you misplayed and probably know they have a certain card and you don’t

[hushed dock]

is the joker or the card destroyed, cuz if the card is destroyed, then i fear that its just another trading card

[signal garden]

Joker, so you can’t just perma ban a card

[hushed dock]

ok then yea that seems bal then

[forest parcel]

I actually really like this idea. It gives niche value to sevens, but i feel like the upside isnt really good enough - only 3(maybe wrong but i think just rebate idol castle) jokers pick a card so u might never see those

And castle is a shitter

[granite hawk]

I'd include ancient and other cards that rely on randomness but aren't reliant on what cards you have in your deck

[drowsy socket]

dont say that about him :(

[forest parcel]

U know whenever i evaluate jokers i consider them on white stake

Castle is my goat on anything above black

[drowsy socket]

hes a friend

dont be mean to him

[forest gulch]

castle on checkered is always a fun time

[vital cove]

Me when I take that 1 purple seal club and it hits clubs

[hexed swan]

How about "Your asteroids also hit all of Nemesis' Dwarf planets, 1/2 to create an asteroid opening a Celestial Pack"? Also I want some criticism for another joker I made for my mod: "+3 hand size, -2 hand size when hand is played"

[cobalt shore]

-2 makes it probably pretty bad

-1 makes it probably very good

but still not broken

ig it would be just a better +1 handsize then

+2, -1 would be balanced maybe

but is it unique enough. it seems to be doing roughly the same as +1 handsize

[forest parcel]

New MP joker: idk name but
When sold: gain $25. After pvp, lose $30 and your opponent loses $5

Numbers could be moved around.

[buoyant maple]

REBALANCING:
[Speedrun], [Bean] and [Seltzer].

[Speedrun] idea(s)

1. What I think might be a compromise is instead of making it give you a spectral card it gives you 2 random tarot's if you reach the pvp blind before your opponent.

2. It would give you one of the stronger Tarot's. So if you get to the PvP blind fist you are randomly given one of these: Death, Fool, Justice, Hangman, chariot.

3. If you reach the PvP blind before your opponent you get to pick any ONE tarot of your choice.

[Bean] idea(s)
{HP = rounds left on Bean}

1. It Could hold only half of current HP, rounded down.
   EX: Bean 4/5(out of PvP) but when in PvP it would go to 2/5(in PvP). Then the next round out of PvP it would go back to (4/5 -1/5 for the round so) 3/5.

2. You get the full effect of Bean in PVP but it would only be for the first 2 hands/discards.

3. It would just draw for the remaining HP then it would do nothing. So your hand size at the start would be 13/8 in PvP if you had a 5/5 Bean.

[Seltzer] idea(s)

1. Seltzer would stay it's original 10/10 hands and tick down each round. But during a PvP blind it would only trigger the first 3 cards of each hand rather then retriggering the whole hand. Then in non PvP blinds it would act as normal.

[warped portal]

It giving justice would make it even more broken than spectrals

[buoyant maple]

Even the nerfed justice?

[warped portal]

Maybe not but like this being the only way to get justice is bad

[buoyant maple]

I think with the reworked and nurfed justice it wouldn't be to bad. Assuming that they keep the change to allows you to get justice as a tarot you can get normally through shops.

[hushed dock]

i think speedrun could just be deleted and bean could give +3 for one pvp blind then get deleted and seltzer could do it for 2 pvp blinds before deletion, i do think seltzer could just retrigger the first 3 cards still

i think instead of removing justice it could simply become a spectral card

[swift estuary]

Why would we turn bean into a juggle skip tag, also when ppl wanted a rework to the food jokers, they were mostly talking about seltzer since it was less of a no skill item, so having seltzer stay for 2 blinds does not fix the problem

[swift estuary]

This might actually be a good idea tho

especially since glass cards are already nerfed

[hushed dock]

the problem with bean is that you can get screwed by the order

[hushed dock]

well... bean doesnt require skipping blinds, but i c what ur saying

i think for bean the problem is the order, so making it not count down until you hit the pvp blind should fix things

and for seltzer idk

[fringe marsh]

I think a good seltzer rework would be if it counted down for every card played instead of every hand. This wouldn’t fix anything but I think it would be pretty fun!!

[tame ibex]

its interesting, if you can win on 2 its 4 forever

[hushed dock]

i think seltzer could be nerfed by becoming a higher rarity

[fringe marsh]

are you joking

[copper musk]

the originally proposed seltzer change was great

the one they actually added reduces the problem but doesnt solve it

[fringe marsh]

are you joking

[forest gulch]

U win way more games being ahead in the shop and finding a stelzer to finish an opponent than the stelzer problem imo so it dosn't need a change from the base game

[hushed dock]

what was the original proposed nerf

[hushed dock]

ok, but what if u find it a whole ante earlier and lose cuz of that

[copper musk]

same stats but debuffed in pvp

[hushed dock]

bro, that makes it USELESS

[copper musk]

yeah thats the point

bean would still be good though

but seltzer was originally a shit joker in singleplayer and we dont need a stronger retrigger meta plus its a common

[hushed dock]

at that point just ban seltzer

[copper musk]

this is also a good idea

no reason to change the joker pool though if it would be basically the same as vanilla in usefulness

[hushed dock]

well justice is banned even with glass being nerfed

[copper musk]

yeah because glass would become too oppressive if it was so easy to create, even with the 1.5x nerf

seltzer wouldnt be oppressivbe anymore so it would be fine to leave it in

[hushed dock]

then just make justice into a spectral card

[copper musk]

this is interesting but idk how well it work because the ability to choose what cards to have your glass on is also powerful

if you get a red seal and a glass from a pack, you can only choose one to really build into, but if you can make your red seal glass it inflates the scoring of the seed and makes games more formulaic

i like this idea though but idk how you would get around the aforementioned problem

familiar grim and incant can kind of already do this but its too inconsistent so i usually dont pick them up

[hushed dock]

then make it apply glass to one random card in hand

[forest gulch]

rabdom card in hand can lead to silly things like having 6 red seals in hand and still missing

[agile reef]

Can't wait to sell my blueprint for -$5 instead of $5!!!!
It could be called stock crash/panic sell (with a stock themed background), the idea being the person who sold it crashed the stock market hilariously - it could be cool to have it give the $25 when bought and then when sold, that effect activates at the end of pvp, but no joker works like that rn so idk if that means it's bad to base it around that, rn your suggestion works similar to cola and pizza which is good

[forest parcel]

i dont want a buy effect that can be cheesed by madness and dagger, as cool as that would be - it should always interact with the opponent.

[agile reef]

Yeah, that makes sense, or somehow force it to activate regardless, but that sounds clunky

[regal jolt]

Idk whether should I suggest it as a brand new feature

But I got an idea about boss blinds jokers

Basically boss blind jokers will be offered as pack at the end of pvp blind, last until the end of next pvp, and have the effect of the respective boss effect to the opp

[spiral widget]

Joker: Cardiologist
Uncommon

This joker gains 0.1x mult for every heart card present in your opponents deck (Start at 1.0x)

I think this is a good deterrent to blindly deck fixing for hearts

[civic agate]

I think it will mainly be used from the collection, just like skip off

To know what is in packs etc

[spiral widget]

if u have make it stronger maybe gains 1x for every 5 heart cards and it starts a 0

[elder coyote]

Joker: Heart Disease
Uncommon

This joker gains 0.2x mult for every heart card you destroy this run (start at 1.0x)
I think this is a good deterrent to picking up bloodstone

[tough widget]

wah wah seltzer

[frank dust]

Can we make bloodstone more competitive by making the pvp queue for it be per hand instead of per trigger? Meaning if you and your opponent play a hearts flush on the last hand, the same bloodstone triggers happen, regardless of how many hearts were scored before in the pvp. I'm surprised it doesn't already work like this (according to the spreadsheet listing multiplayer changes).
EDIT: it does already work like that ;-;

[civic agate]

In the pvp it is the same for all hands

at least from my understanding

[frank dust]

ok yeah i tested it and it does work like that

[vivid garnet]

buh was 1k mmr and didn’t know that’s how bloodstone worked

[frank dust]

i'm new ok 😭