#Opinion on removal of leaderboards and state of the game
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and yet he has that
Yes
probably yeah
take it out and use odyssey to revive atleast wl lb
Yea him having too much is just kinda irrelevant is the thing
he has caloric stone and adds stuff independently of using stone
griffith without his auto maxing at falcon would be mid
Because ur never hsing any of that
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we cant just remove a units main viability feature and call them ass lmao
yes we can
lfelt perma ban.
kamui why did ainz even get moved down on the tl
I looked on the Reddit and for some reason they’re all going after you bro 😭
cid without his swaps are not meta
can we perma ban farms, they're too strong
The point is his kit being inflated is irrelevant because he can never make use of it goof
i explained it in a wiki suggestion
no keep them in the speds love using them
broly without his crit isnt meta
im too lazy to thpe allat again
Hes a 1 trick pony
let me find it
dio without being placed isnt meta
I've yet to see a single team where you dont get SOMETHING out of ainz
I have a headache
this?
They gave him all those spells and hes still ass without caloric thats the point, ainz isnt badly balanced because he has too many spells hes badly balanced because almost all his spells are irrelevant and you only bring him for 1 ability
hi have a headache, I yuzuru_kujo
Making units that are bad in progs and meta in inf and then deleting inf is also just a genius strategy
ive still got wrinkles on my brain
doesnt the fact that ainz gives a 7th slot make him the best unit? because theres basically no situation where u wouldnt run him
noooo!!! being the only unit that gives you a 7 unit team doesnt make you meta cause uhhhhh
uhhh he doesnt do much if you magically dont bring good elements!!!!
and THIS is why these skins take too much time
hes a measly 100k dmg 1k yen unit with summons if you bring 0 elements, why would you ever use that????
that also takes up 0 slots
they dgaf bro they’re laughing at us for caring this much
Yeah but if the unit is only doing 11k dps in most content it being top 2 doesnt make sense, if his entire use case is 7th unit slot he should be in support, i get what kamui is tryna say
it’s over lb rewards are gone
no but its too complicated to figure out
thank GOD ainz isnt doing 11k dps in most content, cause he has a kit
all im saying is, aa went down the same pipe line of not caring
but that 11k dps is still free dps regardless
Yes hes a must bring but his own contribution to the team in most cases isnt gonna be significant besides the 11k dps
i mean for most teams youll have the elements for at least some useful spell
Youre never using ainz as your main dps
mainly despair
im so tempted to move him in support
dude, that requires bringing 2 WHOLE curse units, or 1 curse unit and an unknown, who would EVER do that ever??? its not like theres a curse unit in the top 3 as we speak

i mean ur not wrong
except in ani act 9, or any story stage, or boss rush
make a "GOD SUPPORT" tier omg thats freakin tough
The best team is just broly gs dio 99% of the time ainz is doing ass dps lets be fr i know hes powercreep proof but 11k early game dps doesnt justify top 2
Act 9 is just a bad example, i probably wont use him as my main dps for any other prog yeah
it doesnt matter, that 11k dps comes at no downside because u get a free slot
The point is the units own value in most cases is just 11k dps. Yes theres no downside to bringing him but in most team comps the upside is also just minimal
i mean thats you, I'll gladly use a unit with a 300k dmg wall on 1k yen placement that'll insta wave skip for 90% of story stages
Im not waveskipping on bumass story man have fun doing that
why not, you literally place down ainz and it auto wave skips
cause the walls there 24/7 insta killing the enemies
I’m very confused why ainz doing “only 11k dps” is an issue
if he’s only doing 11k dps, and you use caloric stone to get a unit you would’ve brought instead of ainz
doesn’t that mean you have 11k more dps than you would’ve before? not including his summons or utility?
i mean that just boils down to the core flaws of a general tierlist, it doesnt specify the different nuances of units, thats why boss killers like valentine end up so low
Yeah and thatd justify a top 4 or smth placement, 2 off of just that is questionable imo
because big number is just infinite dopemine
maybe
True
and he isnt feeling that itch
hes the only unit you'll ALWAYS have a reason to bring, if thats not top 1, nobody is
11k dps with summons, for 1k yen, at the WORST case scenario ever
He is not that great as a primary dps in most scenarios, thats kinda just true. Ive already argued a lot abt this, and i kinda get what kamui is saying,99% of the time ainz's contribution to the team is 11k dps and then u dont touch him, thats not enough to be above someone like broly who is the best prog dps
Im not gonna take waveskipping into account because by that logic vsjw would be way higher solely because he can clear stages faster
broly costs a slot, ainz doesnt, broly has a downside, ainz doesnt
thats enough of a reason for ainz to be above broly
yeah this is my logic
Broly does 380k dps and is the primary carry of the team and costs 100k yen, ainz costs 220k to max and is only being used for caloric
"He doesnt take a unit slot" sure but his only use is the 11k dps and thats all
idk in the end the top of the tierlist is kinda meaningless, everything upper meta solos the game anyways, for harder modes u want specific combos of different units so tierlist means nothing
That doesnt make him the best prog cardy
broly costs a slot and only hits 380k dps for 15 waves, ainz costs 0 slots and has 0 downsides to being on your team at all
I dont use broly for plenty of modes, I use ainz for all modes
theres 0 modes where you dont wanna bring ainz
there will be situations where you wont wanna bring broly
Same reason why speed and taka arent top 1, being brought everywhere doesnt make u the best, i get that outlook
Ainzs value in most cases is early game dps
speed and taka arent brought to tourneys or infinite
or ani act 9/modes with alot of income
Infinite is irrelevant now
yeah they are now
Taka is brought in act 9 now
but thats still situations you wont bring them in
Speed and taka are brought in tl tourneys pretty often too
there is still 0 situation you wont bring ainz in
Broly is also always brought in tourneys unless hes banned
but not traits, thats a situation already

If the only criteria for top placement is "usage" then just place kaguya top 1 because shes used for challenge and bounty afks
fall infinite...
this is the criteria the current tl is going by it seems
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new lb incoming
atp place escanor t1 cuz hes the most braindead
can u place units if they’re banned in tournaments with caloric stone or nah
if ainz isnt t1, no unit deserves to be t1
you will LITERALLY, NEVER have a reason NOT to bring ainz
wb rummie or jailer
A unit that isnt even being clicked on after placement and caloric in 99% of content shouldnt be top 1
Dont worry bud 1 of the 3 legend stage bosses will have 30 shields
well the only reason now is that i don’t wanna
simple as that
also broly wasnt used on tourney 60, despite not being banned
isnt that obsolete because of weather reprot
put them t1
despair is better
than bubbled
apparently @warm coyote said that bubbled instantly applies again so it dont matter
yeah he lied
Wat is dis place
hell
Figured
anyways star
vangaurds vs skeletons 😍
If void agrees I agree
another ltm

bro was like
welcome to hell boiiii🥶 🥶 🥶 🥶


ok maybe i should go answer some questions
i am curious... was there a poll or anything in this server to decide if people were for or against the competitive modes being kept?
will they ever add a hard gamemode?
in another server
av "comp"
however u wanna call it
CCGuards
it seems too big of a thing to decide on based on the inputs from a bunch of comp players, granted yes, they might be pros but still there are other people who should have a say in it too
they dont wanna put effort into something ppl cant macr#
Comp players in gaming deciding stuff ive never seen that not work !
yeah there was a poll, and the poll still hasnt ended mind you
welp
it wasnt even an hour after LOLOL
dang
yes, it was in illusion, the poll was in favor of deleting leaderboards until they announced they were actually doing it, and then the poll switched to being in favor of not deleting them
seeing player's reaction to EX stages, devs might just keep a traitless one like Burning tree act 4. A GG EX might just cause another upset from their pov
Delete Infinite Leaderboard
33 votes
6%
Delete Worldlines Leaderboard
52 votes
9%
Delete Both
186 votes
33%
Delete Neither
291 votes
52%
yade yade, stop this, i’ve decided that i will NOT be bringing back leaderboards and that is final!
aura
I don't even know what to say anymore, this is just so disappointing.
i would rather remove pvp over them ngl 💀
yup
guessing they wont make a special last lb reward it will be choy 🥀
every other player in the game be like
theyll put the uma masume tounrmanet skins since theyre feeling kind
it is the choy skin
Or instead we can add more slop updates and uncreative devs!
Actually I don't think it's happening it's small but never zero, Honestly Them not even optimizing the game for the devices such as mobile or low/mid end PC's says it all
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bring back av lb 😭
We need av lb 🥹
i dont think removing tourneys is a bad thing
atleast they can buff exclusive vanguard familiars
what
have u... read the announcement?
Lwky maybe they r planning on adding a new endgame mechanics similar to lb

Bec removing lb without an actual reason is so dumb its like killing them self
They have not
They haven’t said so, meaning that’s just a assumption
They could just add units etc and leave out endgame
Maybe they r just teasing us yk 😭
Oh pls av cant be THAT dumb 😭
Right?🥀

Something tells me they are
But the devs don't care about late game players cuz we're the minority
I've been playing since release and tbh this is heartbreaking seeing one of my favorite games die like this
No I don’t think so … there r so so so many end game players, ngl the new players r having hard to in progress if the current event is hard for them but they could have add perm game mode that help instead of limited yk
ah half of it
they said that exclusive vanguard familiars are weak becuse in tourney they whould be unfair
And also this announcement made some early and mid game players mad bec they think that it’s useless to progress any further yk

why are they complaining about taking less than a week for an lb skin when they only have to do it every 2 seasons
every 2 seasons is like 3 and a half months btw
and they are complaining about that 😭
Limited events being hard doesn't mean that you remove leaderboards
I mean it really is if you think about it
You get good units for what?
Ye thats what im saying
they needed to do unit every season for it to make sense
and sometimes doing bare minimum is too much for them unfortunate
Lwk y'all gotta check out #1452199903106306098
It's a bit of a troll post but ts is what's actually gonna happen in the future
u might be onto stm
Too much word to read can some1 explain what he even said to me
Huh who
Void
Where
The suggestion bro 🙏
Oh he's the one who made it oops
trying to think they would even replace inf lb for if they hate comp i also wounder how will guilds turn out if they dont want comp
Guild? Av wont add that too much pressure
you'll think they would add something to distract us from them removing wl/inf
Nah
They wouldn't cuz they don't care
Plus more work for them
They can't even spend a few days to make a skin that will last for 3-4 months

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what would you rather do more
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Heh my delete pvp has surpassed you
So were not gonna talk about #1452199903106306098
Yea urs more chance on getting added than mine but double monarch still more probable than our suggestion passing
Lwk double monarch is restarded
Best suggestion oat
Two monarchs for what T^T to speed up ur m#cro
I meant restarted
This unacceptable in our slop game
The spend our rrs cuz nothing to use them on once u get all meta
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devs do not care bro it’s alr set in stone give it up 😭
u of all ppl should know this already
fr more slop incoming ig
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I love slop!!!
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scores r free rn so prolly
😭 sry already overflowing with people
doesnt mean theyre runnin with u 
Did you t32/t12 on any maps?
only like hos and martial
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w suggestion
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I agree with this suggestion, large percentage of the players neglected inf lb cause there mindset are like get monarch on the most op unit in the update and call it a day
Praying this voice reached out to the Devs regardless if the stone have been set
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Holy w
W suggestion, the devs are just lazy asf removing the main endgame content. Towers isn't a good enough substitute as some elements are deadass impossible like unknown
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even if we get LB back balancing is gonna be so cooked 😭 were about to get ALS power creep
all that to add worse paragon version back gz brain
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Fr
It’s cooked
AV gonna have people hitting 1 Billion dmg soon
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I Could Easily Do That With Ichigo In Sandbox
Spam His Ability Till You Get 1bn Damage

Anyone doin a bil dmg in sandbox😭
Maybe even a tril
I Didn't Mean With Damage Modifiers 
Yeah That's Beside The Point Anyways
U cant spam his ability in a regular game hence y any unit ‘stat’/‘achievement’ in sandbox is pointless
Ik, Please Don't Take It Seriously
I Was Just Continuing The Joke
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how is this a worse paragon
it has some of the same issues as paragon just less of then
them*
cant find ppl on same floor
but now instead of needing to be at the higher floors
u acc get 3k gems on all floors
I Just Grinded To Floor 11 On My Own Then Found Som People To Reach 19 Before Like Half The Team Left
The scaling is stupid
You have to pray for a good map
And the rewards don't even increase after floor 50????
That makes it even worse ...
Its more rng as well
Modifiers dont work as well
Even worse than paragon
Not that i mind in 1st place modifiers arent nessesary on those gamemodes
Rewards not scaling w floors make it not rly worth to climb
Also 100 rrs for f100 in 2026 xdd
When i have 12k rrs for sure i care
god birb is worth less than diavolo as well
There are tiers of "god birb" yk 😭
Like 120%+ birb can get u diavolo
probably not
It came out a year later
Relative to what was out at the time paragon was a better mode
They’ve barely innovated at all
So now it feels worse to play
The Paragon Conqueror Title Looks Too Cool Too
I Remember I Hated Paragon Because I Couldn't Get Sasuke To Break Shields Iirc
So I Stacked On Regens Instead
Uh did your autocorrect break
Nothing nvm
Shoulda stacked thrice, if you got enough they would stop doing the thrice
That Makes Sense But I Didn't Have A Brain Then
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what happened to ur msg lol
which one
the og message dude
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why does this guy have the stench
He doesn’t play enough limp bizkit company
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bro theres no more message to bump 😭
Still there for me
Wdym it’s there
ok so its back

i have no clue
on pc it said there was nothing
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game is just pointless to play now 
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Fr, Im Just Waiting To See Since Shanks Is A Free Monarch
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A whole year late🤣 but still, traits arent a big issue minor rng as devs are generous with rr's at most 1 player might run 3 monarchs on their team and thats only 1 of 4 players who needs that many monarchs, stats are a non issue as z+ is sufficient and thats super easy to get, familiars are also slight rng only matters if you're going for top 1 minmax as you can m#cr0 birbs, griff isnt even used for lb
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trading doesnt solve it cause what am I gonna trade thats worth a 100+ birb? bundles would be p2w, which I aint doing for a comp mode, rare units take months to become tradeable and might not even be worth good birbs by the time they're tradeable, so why waste time farming for them (not to mention they're rng themselves, so still makes familiars rng), theres really nothing you can farm that'll get you 100+ birbs that isnt rng to farm in the first place
but anyways my main point was that some rng is good and healthy for a comp gamemode, but the amount that av currently has (mainly due to birbs) is too much
Buns endgame content
yes bro endgame content that doesnt benifit people who are truly endgame
I agree it’s horrendous but they call it hard content sooo
give it a couple of updates and it wont be difficult, cause they're adding units whos sole purpose is to clear towers
god bless av devs 🔥
may god strike down the av devs...
pretty much, games going full als route
Power creep every fucking unit
joke... dont ban me
lelouch save us from the sin that is unknown tower 🗣️
i love av 😍 i hope it never dies like aa
Can we just turn av into dokkan?
Somehow dokkan takes more feedback from their community icl
At least they've fixed the friend system and world tournament
And not
no one plays that buns game
xD
Blatantly lie about competitive player opinions
1 hour into a 24(?) hour poll
And they decide
Yup
That's enough
24 hour poll into a 1 hour one
0 comment on it being official
why would they think kamui polling in a seperate discord would dictate decision
even if the result was the same they should’ve either told them or polled all of us
note that they acted on said poll faster than they acted on the poll sent in THIS server about tournaments becoming unique per bracket (that ACTUALLY won the vote)
since I didn’t even know that discord even existed
What about the guilds section thats been in the game since
Uhhhh
How long has it been?
they’ve also done terrible polls in the past, great example being that Sasuke + Tengen’s VFs were picked in arguably rigged polls exclusive to only testers
for example, sasuke was picked between Akaza, Sasuke, and Okarun by only testers
valk even admitted okarun was a joke pick, and Akaza hasn’t even been on a public poll
tbf akaza or okarun was not gonna win
that’s why I said rigged
wdym rigged? theres absolutely 0 bias towards sasuke in the testing group
i mean yeah birbs are kinda too much but also it was never really competitive enough to actually need god birbs
Still love the fact that they made infinite units just to tell us to go fuck ourselves for tryna use them
there was always some tech or smth that made it sorta irrelevant
still love how they fix all the issues with inf and then tell us theyre removing the lb
finally they fix up all the bugs and lag with it
and now they remove lbs
Atp remove odyssey and PvP, too much pressure
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Boss rush and rift and raids too
Oh, don't forget about story mode
Can't have you feeling pressured to do these things!
Can u claim lb rewards now?
no lmao
Bruu
Yhh
Anything but doing what the community wants
Still waiting for that vf for gogeta
Got 2nd highest in the exclusive vf poll for nothing
rerun his banner atp
not like anything else in there was worth anything
ah yes
make a VF for a unit that like a small fraction of the community has
without rerunning the character itself
base gogeta barely had any value
Not a small fraction 💀
You acting like he wasn't obtainable for 6 months
point stands base Gogeta barely has any value
Then what's wrong with him getting a vf?
He's unobtainable
Gilgamesh is unobtainable and he got one



