Opinion on removal of leaderboards and state of the game

[final pebble]

I think the biggest problem is that it was just implemented terribly. If there was something to cut the cuffs off with in solo from the beginning? I guarantee complaints about the mechanic would’ve been cut by like three quarters

[celest wasp]

All hard gamemodes they've made have had bad reception because they had sizable flaws other than just being hard

[final pebble]

The other problem is that “hard” just isn’t feasible.

The closest you get to difficulty is blasting enemy hp up

But that’s not at all a good thing because of how much the playerbase varies in strength

[celest wasp]

Won't even talk about why sbr was bad, rifts were super buggy and the hp scaling was wack, cid raid had cuffs and the game ending nuke, GG EX had shit hp scaling+the gear mechanic is dumb+the wave 15 boss just eating your units, AOT had blinded and the final boss just voiding where you placed your units was dumb, and since then we've not gotten shit

[final pebble]

Difficulty is just not realistic to expect in this game im going to be completely honest

[celest wasp]

Elemental confluence was a great start but from the looks of it that's all it was because we've gotten nothing like them so far

[surreal lintel]

Tbh we wont get a hard gamemode, because 90% of the player base cannot function without a easy game play

[celest wasp]

Nobody would complain abt a nightmare difficulty modifier to stages that just gives some phoenix shards and has a daily clear limit icl

[surreal lintel]

Nag will

[celest wasp]

They're just stingy with shards for NO reason

[final pebble]

Because god familiars are supposed to be tedious to grind or something

Even though putting them in every event shop basically invalidates that

[daring star]

now theres nowhere to use them anyway🤤

[celest wasp]

Als souls being better than a game's subtrait system is deadass just shameful

[warm fulcrum]

the whole appeal is the mix between progression and pure strategy

if a comp mode was purely about whoever was actually best at playing a td game then i guarantee much less people would want to play it

[daring star]

also obv u don’t need to play

[final pebble]

The whole appeal is the dopamine hit of rolling stats/traits until you get something that makes the little monkey in our heads clap its hands

[final pebble]

Also I completely disagree

A huge turnoff for comp is how restrictive and specific it requires you to have an investment in units for

And how long you’re willing to sit in a single session and hope the game doesn’t just lag out and die on you

[warm fulcrum]

then tell me why do more people do traited worldlines compared to traitless

[daring star]

this just ain’t true

[warm fulcrum]

not to mention rerolls are basically infinitely farmable now anyways so that isnt even an argument

birb stats barely make a difference with the all powerful equalizer that is random server crashes

[final pebble]

Probably because both are stale but at least with traited, said traits make climbing it much easier and less about the strategy for most of it

[warm fulcrum]

is that not.. literally what i just said

[final pebble]

If players had more equal footing, as in the same tools and it was more purely about strategy and knowledge, I guarantee a lot more players would be interested in comp

[warm fulcrum]

its still some strategy but the stuff u have will still help u, giving u an advantage over people who dont have what u have

[final pebble]

Yes. I explained why what you said is the case.

[warm fulcrum]

thats the majority?

[celest wasp]

Wdym av has the best optimization ever

[final pebble]

People don’t want to really do traitless when half the appeal of the game is just investing in rare things on units

[daring star]

nah less ppl play tl than traited even if it’s much more equal
tl last season required 0 limited units besides goblin killer who was given out for free and kaguya
the real difference is time investment

[celest wasp]

The fact that they managed to make inf optimization worse than it was on release will never not be funny man

[final pebble]

My point is that comp would be a lot more appealing in a blank slate scenario.

[daring star]

i remember asking ppl in other suggestions
they just don’t think it’s worth their time and don’t want to have to go up against others that take the game more seriously than them

[warm fulcrum]

somehow they manage to create more bugs on existing features every update

[daring star]

i gave u something more equal trying to prove to u that ur statement just isn’t true and then u say this…

[final pebble]

If we had a game with no traits, no random stats, no variable familiars, comp would feel a lot more fair and satisfying to work with

[celest wasp]

they fucked inf optimization after 6.0 i think

It might have been the "rewrite of code for pvp"

[daring star]

guess what then there’s no progression haha

[celest wasp]

We all love pvp though so this is fine!

[final pebble]

Unlocking units is still progression.

[warm fulcrum]

i dont think u understand, fair is not satisfying, for the majority whats satisfying is holding an inherent advantage over others

[celest wasp]

Traitless worldline also got erased so clearly not

[daring star]

mb i was exaggerating but progression would be minuscule

[final pebble]

Pre-anni AWTD was unironically one of the most fun TDs I’ve played by a mile

[sick glacier]

progression that cant even be too hard or take too long cause its the main gameplay loop, so after at max 2-3 days you'll have maxed out progress for that update

[daring star]

metas exist in any game

so

it’s fair to say it will exist in av

[final pebble]

So?

[sick glacier]

you GOTTA have a bit of rng reliance like traits for comp modes, theres a reason traitless is the least played of any comp mode

[celest wasp]

Time to clear isn't the issue it's just the fact that the obainments are dogshit

[daring star]

no other game i’m ever seen functions like that
updates are meant to give u things to do and fill the void until the next one

[celest wasp]

NOBODY likes seasonal updates bro

Deal with the real problem

[sick glacier]

people WANT an advantage before touching any comp mode, why do you think in every game with comp modes theres hella tutorials for the "optimal" settings

[celest wasp]

Not a single soul would vote for seasonal 0.5s over quest vanguard 0.5s

[final pebble]

rng reliance
competitive

What is this, a TCG?

[celest wasp]

Literally nobody

[daring star]

not seasonal updates as a whole just the formula we have currently
it gets to a point and repititon is never super good…

[sick glacier]

yeah lmao, it quite literally is a tcg at this point

[celest wasp]

I dont mind shit like 8.5 man at the end of the day its an atd you cant do too much variation but atleast we can try to not repeatedly pump out the worst type of updates

[final pebble]

I mean, me personally, I like feeling like I actually finished an update so I can go play other shit and not feel like I’m missing out while I wait for the next update

But I guess I’m just weird

[sick glacier]

the issue with the current state of av comp is that the rng is RIDICULOUS, you gotta get lucky with traits, then get lucky with stats, then get lucky with familiars, then get lucky with griff rng, etc etc

[celest wasp]

Always has been man but ig they did just completely fuck over the last 50 souls who did lbs, ah well.

Familiars are fully on them they knew what they were doing with birb, traits are easy to get

[daring star]

i don’t play 17 games at a time no😭
i feel like other ppl can agree with that

[final pebble]

The problem is that comp shouldn’t rely on RNG like that. There’s a few scenarios it works, for specific reasons, but the majority of the time, legitimate competitive scenes strive to eliminate as much rng as possible

[final pebble]

God forbid someone just play 2 or 3

I just want to finish an av update so I can play warframe or whatever else with my buddies and not miss out on that much AV shit

Traits are still rng too.

[sick glacier]

yes but a f2p game like av can't eliminate 100% of rng for comp modes, otherwise it'll get stale and nobody will care to play it, I do agree that it HAS to eliminate some of the rng (i'd LOVE for a birb-less comp mode, literally just remove birb and comp mode is suddenly way more fun)

[final pebble]

There’s pity but relying on that is entirely unrealistic

[daring star]

it’s extremely realistic now since they drastically increased the amount of rrs u get

[final pebble]

That’s literally the whole point of casual play

[celest wasp]

What is the satisfaction in just getting units when monarch saber clears 99% of content

[serene ermine]

yeah ur speaking abt hypotheticals

[final pebble]

Tf else am I playing it for? I don’t care about comp

[serene ermine]

if it truly was designed for the handcuffs to be in solo since the start then they wouldve added that in along with it

[sick glacier]

while sorta agreed, where do we draw the line? getting ainz is rng, sure he has pity but it takes 40 hours to get! thats ridiculous, especially when you often only have 1 week to get him before tourney resets and you've already lost out on a top 5 purely cause of rng, do we remove vanguards from tourneys aswell?

[final pebble]

I mean, it was designed that way.

[daring star]

we still on cid rly gng

we got bigger fish to fry

[sick glacier]

cid talks 2 weeks before 2026 💔 💔 💔

[final pebble]

I said that because I still believe they weren’t an inherently bad mechanic, if they actually gave it something else from the start

[serene ermine]

what even is the meta mvp team anymore

[final pebble]

Simple, we just make every unit permanent and stop doing limited exclusives

[warm fulcrum]

theres no point in even arguing with u, u dont like anything about avs previous comp scene nor have u ever played it, and u dislike pretty much all rng mechanics of av

[serene ermine]

these are the gremlins i have

[serene ermine]

i have monarch valentine but not his vf 😭

[final pebble]

Collecting units, finishing content. Playing the game casually.

[sick glacier]

I mean I agree with that, but it still doesnt adress the fact that getting ainz for the first week of tourney requires either A: Farming for 40 hours (ridiculous, if farming for trait pity is ridiculous and unreliable), or B: Getting lucky

[drifting skiff]

The hard content were the leaderboard climb 🥀

[warm fulcrum]

collecting units? sounds like a tcg

[daring star]

this gameplay loop is boring beleive it or not…
ppl will realise there is no point and leave when there is nothing hard to strive for

[final pebble]

The easiest solution to that would be to yes, ban new units from tournaments for the first week or so of them being released

[daring star]

“yo u grinded for this new units, well have fun cause there’s nowhere to use it”

[final pebble]

That’s why I don’t play it extensively and take it at a very casual pace. And play other things so that I don’t burn out.

[strong delta]

You dont even need new units for be top in tourney 💀 tourney easy as hell

Tourney isnt end game content its mid game

[daring star]

there is no such thing as playing extensively in this case. ur point doesn’t make sense

[final pebble]

How does it not?

[daring star]

cause u can’t play extensively when there’s nothing to play

[warm fulcrum]

whats the point of overpowered units with nothing truly stretch its limits on

[final pebble]

[warm fulcrum]

like u roll a monarch

cool, am i now supposed to just stare at the symbol with satisfaction?

[final pebble]

It’s just fun collecting. Rolling monarch is still a dopamine hit. Using the unit is fun.

[warm fulcrum]

i couldnt care less whether i get a monarch in 1 roll or 1500

[strong delta]

Oh and uma is maxing out in 36 waves which is completly useless now since even dungeons ends in 30

[warm fulcrum]

rrs are worthless now anyways

its just a means to get units to actually use for comp modes

[final pebble]

“Extensively” being doing huge grinding sessions instead of like, one or two hours a day. Or every other day. Whatever the timing

[daring star]

again you ignore what i said
there are no big grinding sensions to be done

[strong delta]

M#croing or playing is useless now too just an electricty waste lol just get a mon escanor and you can solo anything

[sick glacier]

they're removing infinite lb the very same update all 3 meta units are mostly designed for infinite

[rugged vine]

sols rnguards suggestion is so true

[sick glacier]

these devs can't think ahead for more than 2 days at a time it seems

[daring star]

tbh i closed my shit as soon as the announcement came through😭

[final pebble]

Cool, maybe you don’t. Plenty of players do. Plenty of players don’t feel that “rrs are worthless,” they’re still fairly finite to casual play

[strong delta]

Yeah i was boosting my newbie friend we both quit and went to aa lb💀

[tulip valve]

go into stage suggestions and look for "new gamemode: leaderboards" and bump it into oblivion

[cunning pulsar]

Tourney is even wrse for her cause sh scaled to the point tht u die on wave 40😭

[serene ermine]

are you saying the bar between casual play and sweating the game is if u m*ngo alot?

[final pebble]

It’s almost like the removal wasn’t really being considered until it was brought up seriously today

[warm fulcrum]

wow, so u can see that my opinion doesnt speak for everyone? and yet u cant seem to realize that your own opinion is an even smaller minority than mine

[strong delta]

No need to talk about tourney skins having no value in trades too lol

[daring star]

i feel like he doesn’t play the game ngl😭

[cunning pulsar]

Uma got a lil value

[final pebble]

It’s definitely part of it

[strong delta]

I have 20 uma skins gng just hop in game and ima give it to you

Tourneys are easy its mid game content

[serene ermine]

thats a very low bar considering most of this game's playerbase is m*ngoing

[sick glacier]

why are we making such big decisions the DAY of its consideration then?

[warm fulcrum]

its completely unrelated, i know people that macro 24 hours a day and have never touched a lb, and people that never afk and do leaderboards

[final pebble]

Is it a smaller minority though? Is it really?

[sick glacier]

seriously, the poll was made less than 12 hours ago from what I've gatered, and the poll ended with "dont delete them", so why are we removing the lb's

[strong delta]

Day of its consideration? They decided it in 10 mins with troll votes

[serene ermine]

you realize that a game that calls for m*ngoing will attract that audience?

[strong delta]

Didnt even ended yet btw

[serene ermine]

what are you talking about

[final pebble]

If you automate farming, you’re not a casual player imho

[drifting skiff]

I mean getting top 5 is quite easy if you just follow yt , and also its not global bracket unlike inf or worldline lb

[serene ermine]

how can you possibly be defending the COMPLETE removal of infs anyways?? you can keep the rerolls or change the skins into like pheonix shards. why outright remove it???

[strong delta]

Only thing they did good so far in updates was orihime and esdeaths model trust

[final pebble]

“Casual” maybe in the “non competitive” sense

But not a casual player

[warm fulcrum]

your opinion is for there to be no exclusive units, no traits or familiars in any competitive modes, basically making grinding for units and traits purely about collecting and the dopamine rush of obtainment

[strong delta]

Stage clear final boss

Just get a mon escanor atp

[serene ermine]

how would changing the reward from a skin to pheonix shards impact anything

[final pebble]

Because it has nothing to do with the skin

[serene ermine]

what?

[drifting skiff]

If they focus on bugfix more i think removing lbs its worth it imo

[strong delta]

Bro it wasnt about the skin no one cares about the skins here we want to have end game and competitive content thats what tower defense games are in genre

[serene ermine]

removing the one comp thing this game had sets a terrible direction for this game to go into 😭 now all there is to this game is slop

[warm fulcrum]

i think your completely out of touch, any reasonably logical person will look for ways to automate the incredibly repetitive grind of most aspects of this game after just a few days/weeks of manually grinding at most

[rugged vine]

its to push the bad pvp gamemode lets be real

[warm fulcrum]

still nearly unplayable due to bugs

[echo obsidian]

It's almost like they were waiting for the chance, also them immediately doing so shows that they had 0 commitment into making it better

[final pebble]

The removal of LB rewards is because it’s done more harm than good with all the bugs that happen with it, the fact that no dev is passionate about actively working on them and maintaining them, and that they’re just overall more cons than pros

[strong delta]

PvP is buns in the game too just have 5 specific units in the inv so your oppenent can waste their bans

[serene ermine]

so what you're saying is that the ONE outlet of endgame content is now gone and because av devs have to appeal to the wider audience there will be no endgame content and all the people complaining about it should just suck it up?

[strong delta]

They even manage to do harm with bundles at the start of This update its just av devs bro💔

[warm fulcrum]

like u said there thats the devs own fault, they arent willing to put the time and effort in to maintain it and yet they use the bugginess of it as an excuse to delete it

[final pebble]

I’ve literally never touched automation because I’ve never felt the need to, given that I like actually using my PC to do things, but the manual grinding isn’t that bad if you understand the basic principle of pacing yourself.

[daring star]

what i’m hearing is it’s a dev issue😬

[echo obsidian]

[serene ermine]

1-2 days on just coming up with concept art btw

do u guys pick up a pen and paper and pass it around for 10 minutes then pat urself on the back

[sick glacier]

concept artist is scamming the devs with this

[rugged vine]

we used to get full units btw

[final pebble]

Nobody said there’s was going to be no endgame content, people are just assuming the devs are pulling the plug on LB rewards and calling it there

[serene ermine]

pass the pencil around

[serene ermine]

theres gonna be no endgame content

stop lying to yourself

any promises of the sort take months for it to actually come out

[strong delta]

Manual grinding(put down monarch escanor and youre done)

[warm fulcrum]

your in the tiny minority then, even if u manually grinded, lets say fall infinite, 90% of the time your gonna be afk anyways, and u would call anyone that looks to automate that remaining 10% not a casual?

[daring star]

cause they also said no remotely difficult content or atleast alluded to the fact
how else do u define end game content? genuine question

[sick glacier]

if the simplest, most tried and tested forms of competitive and endgame, is something too difficult for the devs to deal with, what the fuck are they gonna do for endgame?

[drifting skiff]

Dev might be pushing the pvp agenda

[warm fulcrum]

they arent

thats the problem

[sick glacier]

exactly

[warm fulcrum]

they just arent gonna do anything

[strong delta]

Pvp is buns in this game bro

[rugged vine]

so bad they gotta get rid of the comp

[final pebble]

If they’re looking to automate for longer periods than actual casual players would play, then yeah.

[sick glacier]

anyone with hopes that the devs, who JUMPED at the chance to remove the games comp and endgame scene, with 0 planning or thought whatsoever other than "less work for us lets GOOOOOOOO", will go out of their way to design endgame content, is delusional

[serene ermine]

this is exactly how you get rid of people asking for endgame content, you remove their one outlet

😭

and then attract dopamine addicted gamblers who want everything handed to them

[final pebble]

Or maybe they already had something planned anyways. Who knows.

[sick glacier]

mind you they're removing infinite lb the very same update they released ainz, who has 30% of his kit DEDICATED for wave 50+ modes, aka only infinite

[serene ermine]

we knowbecause we've played the fuckign game

😭

[daring star]

“nooooooooo if u use the most efficient method that the game is often designed around you aren’t a casual even if you don’t play any competitive game mode and haven’t progressed far”

[strong delta]

Uma takes 36 waves to max out btw

[serene ermine]

do you play the game bro

nether genuinely just doesnt play the game

swear

[sick glacier]

had they not JUST released ainz, uma and mob, and also hadn't been incompetent devs for the last year of me playing this game, then maybe I'd have hope

[daring star]

38 no?

[sick glacier]

36 if you get lucky and dont lose the 1/10 chance of mood going down

[warm fulcrum]

the grind for units in this game far surpasses anything casual players would be willing to invest in

[serene ermine]

doesnt really matter fact is that u cant use uma's max potential

[daring star]

if u go 1 each stat then ur never lose

it starts 0

[warm fulcrum]

if anything your way less of a casual if your willing to manually grind for everything in this game

[daring star]

anywhere🫩

[serene ermine]

literally

[final pebble]

Eh. Maybe in terms of traits, sure.

[serene ermine]

you are a die hard purist

thats what he is

[warm fulcrum]

vsjw, every banner vanguard

[serene ermine]

hes a purist that doesnt wanna touch automation

[warm fulcrum]

lets say u really liked the shiny of a specific unit

[final pebble]

Grinding those out fucking sucks, but the units themselves arent too bad with actual pacing

[serene ermine]

have u even tried to progress on an alt account??

tell us

[sick glacier]

you can still lose, the main stat gets maxed out before the others cause it gets more points, so you end up having to put 2 points into a stat after you max out the main stat

[serene ermine]

have u??

[daring star]

ye ur going out of your way to play the game in a different way then it was designed
i used to do ts and it was such a waste of time thought mangroving was evil or sum

[warm fulcrum]

none of that is anywhere reasonable for a casual to grind manually

[final pebble]

Why would I make an alt

[serene ermine]

do you know how terrible that is without afking for escanor??

[daring star]

hmmm

[serene ermine]

now that escanor doesnt exist good luck new players

😭

[warm fulcrum]

so your trying to argue that all casuals want to wait weeks after an update to get the updates units?

[shrewd moss]

Hk solos

[sick glacier]

to actually see the av experience from a new players perspective, newsflash its fucking awful without mangroving

[serene ermine]

hk the LOSER

[daring star]

auto upg

[shrewd moss]

Pyseph is listening

[final pebble]

Not all, but it’s a pretty basic thing, yeah.

[warm fulcrum]

people obviously want to get the units as quick as possible, casual or otherwise

[final pebble]

It’s why even bi-weekly update schedules push it a little bit

[daring star]

bro pls use critical thinking that’s all i ask

[serene ermine]

grinding this game manually and being new is literally a way to kill someone

[celest wasp]

If we are appealing to casuals can we stop doing seasonal events because I can assure you a casual would much rather have quest vanguards

[final pebble]

Agreed

[celest wasp]

Someone who doesn't afk probably doesnt enjoy grinding 3m currency just a hunch

[rugged vine]

thats not as good as esc

[warm fulcrum]

yeah casual are gonna manually grind for vsjw

thats totally reasonable right

[shrewd moss]

Nah ackers solo the game along with Vegeta 🔥

[serene ermine]

vsjw is an extreme example

[final pebble]

Yes

Yes it is

[celest wasp]

It literally is believe it or not

[serene ermine]

yeah ur insane nether

holy shit

[strong delta]

Valentine is harder frfr

[serene ermine]

you guys are fucking insane

[final pebble]

Just don’t grind it out in one fucking day

[serene ermine]

bro

it took me

2 hours

[celest wasp]

Vsjw is more reasonable than bumass 1/20ks bro

[serene ermine]

chud maxxing each day

[celest wasp]

VSJW IS HORRID

[serene ermine]

and i got it in 1-2 weeks

[celest wasp]

But banner vanguards are worse

[serene ermine]

please shut the fuck up

you dont play the game

[sick glacier]

I'd rather just not get the unit if I have to do the same 20m long stage 50 times

[warm fulcrum]

i would rather not have vsjw than have to manually grind him

[serene ermine]

you do not exist bro

[warm fulcrum]

i guess that makes me a casual

[shrewd moss]

I got sjw in a day bc of the bug 🥹

[final pebble]

Okay and????

[celest wasp]

ANYTHING over the banner vanguards bro shit is deadass straight from aa😭 😭

[warm fulcrum]

beacuse im not willing to invest so much time for a single unit

[sick glacier]

actually you're below a casual, since apparently casuals WOULD grind that out

[serene ermine]

2 hours of chudmaxxing every day and only got it a 1-2 weeks after

[sick glacier]

(none of my friends have gotten vsjw, cause his grind is horrible)

[serene ermine]

and theyre saying thats NORMIE

AND CASUAL

FUCKING DELUSIONAL

[celest wasp]

Getting 3m currency legit takes longer if you're not afking though

[serene ermine]

😭

[final pebble]

I did the same shit, and it was fine

[shrewd moss]

I'm still at 2k pity for ainz

[sick glacier]

you're not a casual if you dedicate 1-2 hours to a game for a week straight for 1 singular unit/goal

[warm fulcrum]

was it enjoyable?

[serene ermine]

FYI I HAD IT EASIER CUZ I HAD EXTRA UNITS THAT I DIDNT HAVE TO SUMMON FOR

[warm fulcrum]

was sitting in 50 ant dungeons fun?

like what r we even arguing here

[sick glacier]

doing the same stage, 2 hours at a time, for a week straight is not casual behavior

[serene ermine]

bro i love how nether says that "oh well im a casual"

no hes fucking not

[warm fulcrum]

being "bearable" is not an excuse to manually do something

[sick glacier]

no casual player is EVER getting vsjw without mangroving

[final pebble]

Eh. I didn’t mind it.

[serene ermine]

hes the exact opposite

[warm fulcrum]

EXACTLY

[final pebble]

Again

[serene ermine]

he's one of those people that cant accept the fact that times are better

[warm fulcrum]

u "dont mind it"

if u dont enjoy it why do it over afking

[celest wasp]

I'm arguing that seasonals are legit worse, ofc nobody wants vsjw ass quests broly was 10x better

[final pebble]

Because I like actively using my PC

[warm fulcrum]

so u enjoyed

it

[serene ermine]

he cant accept that doing the most efficient thing is better than forcing yourself to do it the hard way is more casual than not 😭

[strong delta]

Vsjw grind for just him to be useful at tourney now

[warm fulcrum]

u liked actively grinding for banner vanguards

[serene ermine]

barely even useful in that

[final pebble]

Sure, if that makes you happier.

[warm fulcrum]

ok

[celest wasp]

He had 6 months of stay its okay!

[echo obsidian]

Mobile players are in the mud

[shrewd moss]

I'm one

[sick glacier]

the thing with seasonals, is that they're easy and doable by literal brand new accounts nowadays, so more casuals DO enjoy them, not to mention you get 5-6 units in the process, as opposed to 1 like vsjw

[warm fulcrum]

then please dont speak from the perspective of casuals

[final pebble]

VSJW was still better than the banner vanguards

[warm fulcrum]

because they dont think anything like u

[strong delta]

Summoner debuff, lol hes just like 1/10 tourney good

[serene ermine]

bro YOU ARE NOT A CASUAL

[echo obsidian]

i am too

[serene ermine]

BY ANY MEANS

[sick glacier]

pre escanor? sure, escanor and onwards though? nah

[serene ermine]

YOU ARE NOT A CASUAL NETHER

YOU ARENT

[celest wasp]

Ig

[main sand]

elemental confluence is so lame too

it’s going to get easier and easier every update because they add better units of elements

it was only hard because they don’t add varieties of units, and still don’t (look at fall for example)

[shrewd moss]

NETHER UR A extESTER NOT A CASUAL U CANT THINK FOR THEM

[final pebble]

You can tell me that if you want

[warm fulcrum]

hes more invested in playing the game than i am it seems

[serene ermine]

YOU ARE A PURIST THAT CANT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT CASUALS TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT

[warm fulcrum]

and i literally have everything in the game

[serene ermine]

INSTEAD OF THE HARD WAY

[warm fulcrum]

leaderboards and all

[serene ermine]

YOU ARE ALSO THE MINORITY

[sick glacier]

a casual would much rather be told they can boot up the game, use any units they have, place them down and max them out, afk for an hour, and potentially get lucky with a vanguard unit while in the process get 4-5 other units

[serene ermine]

i dont have an example of this but nether is the exact archetype of people that think like this

i swear to god

[daring star]

Noooooo you don’t understand they obv aren’t going to use the most efficient method thoooo

[sick glacier]

than be told "do this one thing, that requires either a specific unit or a good set of units, over and over again until you meet the requirements to get this 1 singular unit"

[strong delta]

Yeah gl with this troll ima go grind for aa lb

[warm fulcrum]

ofc notttt, why would casuals look for the easy method???

thats crazyyy

[serene ermine]

get on anime defenders blud

[strong delta]

Thats even worse

[serene ermine]

astdx..?

[celest wasp]

Maybe instead of axing LBs to have to make 1 less skin we should stop making 4 slop units with full vfx and models every other update

[shrewd moss]

That's peak on your life

[strong delta]

The great anime tower defense fall started btw with the lb removal

[serene ermine]

how do i react

✅

[sick glacier]

literally NOBODY is looking up how to afk stuff bro, these videos get ZERO views smh

[serene ermine]

1 less skin that apparently takes 1-2 days just to draw btw

😭

that happens every like 100 months btw

😭

[daring star]

you could say the same thing abt both grinds btw
it’s the same it’s just 1 is confirmed at a specific time and one can be obtained across that time aswell as at the end
most casuals don’t rly care abt the banner units and realise they suck… unless ur like brand new yk

[shrewd moss]

67????????

[serene ermine]

every leap year they change the skin

[warm fulcrum]

🤯

[sick glacier]

3 days cause they're always without a doubt getting forced to change it by the lawyers, meanie lawyers 🥺

[daring star]

what are u referencing btw
or ur talking abt rn

[celest wasp]

VSJW is obviously not a good grind but i think any casual would pick broly over seasonal grinds any day of thr week

[sick glacier]

exactly, that last part is what you're missing and why the devs love to do them, the brand new players (and alts) LOVE seasonal events

[shrewd moss]

It started at 7.5🥶👍

[serene ermine]

give infinite monkeys an infinite amount of pencils and they also couldnt finish making 1 unit drawing if they had the resources the av devs did

[strong delta]

With removal of lb in av there isnt any more good anime td games all of them are mid

[serene ermine]

cmon guys dont yell at the devs

[daring star]

when i say brand new i mean sub lvl 50

[serene ermine]

even infinite monkeys with infinite pencils couldnt

[sick glacier]

not a single one of my friends got into the game cause of the broly update or vsjw, my entire discord server of atd fiends ALL log into av on seasonal updates

[celest wasp]

Quest vanguard updates always perform better than seasonals too literally 0 reason for them to keep making this shit

[warm fulcrum]

the point is i think most casuals would pick doing none of them 😭

[serene ermine]

kamui we are angry

[main sand]

we are?

[shrewd moss]

Add lb back chud

[serene ermine]

ok well @main sand is angry

idk why he is

[main sand]

what

[celest wasp]

Broly takes like 6 hours man I don't think just removing vanguard grinds is feasible

[serene ermine]

u gotta talk to him or sumthin

[main sand]

I’ve sent TWO messages yo

[daring star]

well thing is if they do to many of the same quests then it will also get boring
they need to innovate

[main sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291141058650046547/1450968261255495863/togif-6.gif

[serene ermine]

calm down bro

[warm fulcrum]

yeah broly is reasonable

[serene ermine]

do NOT yell two

[warm fulcrum]

they should just do that

[warm coyote]

@everyone is angry

[serene ermine]

if broly was a teensy weensy little more then itd be perfect

[warm fulcrum]

like literally for broly update they couldve just released broly and gogeta and people wouldve been satisfied

[warm coyote]

50% of brolys quests are pre requisities or sacrifices

[serene ermine]

like for example the quests arent just do the stage 20 times

[celest wasp]

See here's my thoughts on that. I dont expect them to innovate too much, its a roblox atd. But if we are getting fed the same stuff again and again, might as well make it so that the shit we're recycling is actually received well

[warm coyote]

boring!

[strong delta]

Just give gems and tittles as a reward but keep lb gang its just monarch escanor game now

[warm fulcrum]

u know whats more interesting? HARD WORLDLINE FLOORS

[daring star]

no changing broly wouldn’t fix it
there shouldn’t only be 1 piece of content in an upd
there should have been something else to grind another game mode that is seperate

[warm fulcrum]

guess what got removed

[celest wasp]

Not a single soul wants 4 useless units every other 0.5

[shrewd moss]

And let wl have their shiny since it takes literally no effort

[serene ermine]

feh cmon man

you know thats not happening

someone help me count all the useless units for every update

[soft ivy]

LOl

[daring star]

thing is they don’t recycle
they just copy paste it

[strong delta]

It will be easy if we count useful ones

[shrewd moss]

Hard wl floors are just RNG atp but still interesting

[celest wasp]

I would have broly being recycled over seasonals

[daring star]

in saying the acc fix
idc if the devs can’t do it properly

[daring star]

same

[serene ermine]

they wont even do it properly they just wont do it man

[sick glacier]

but, but, all units this update are meta/submeta, wdym useless 🥺

[celest wasp]

Wah wah wah we can't make 1 skin every 3 months wah wah wah we fill continue forcefeedung our community 4 useless units and 4 dogshit looking skins every other update though!

[soft ivy]

rummie level

[shrewd moss]

Those who use ghoul to solo 20w fall mode

[sick glacier]

yeah meta! all banner units have a proper use and are all equaly balanced as all other update units except for the main one!!!

[echo obsidian]

we're all using perona instead of weather report right?

[shrewd moss]

I think valk should hear this

Too bad he left illusion

[serene ermine]

update .5
akaza, rengoku,
update 1
todo, zion
update 1.5
everyone (4, u could include diavalo tbh)
update 1.75
everyone but diogo

[celest wasp]

Yeah blame the dumbasses spam pinging him

[soft ivy]

I SWEARRRRRRR hollow knight was made fairly and comparable to other units...

[mental robin]

ruby is good though

for element confluence

[shrewd moss]

Choy skin gets used more than konosuba 🥶

[daring star]

val be

[sick glacier]

those who use valentine

[daring star]

bro

[mental robin]

exactly

[shrewd moss]

Val just out scales her

[mental robin]

not grinding FV nty

[sick glacier]

also did they remove elemental confluence this update

[mental robin]

av too easy for that

[serene ermine]

update 2
ishtar, medusa
update 3
the two battlepass characters i gen have no idea what their names are, karem
update 3.5
berserker
update 4
david kiskae
update 4.5
no one
update 5
hercool, lowkey boo

[sick glacier]

@avDevs, please remove all difficult content from the game, any content thats slightly rewarding and requires any amount of effort has to be removed, thank you.

[warm fulcrum]

added this partr

[shrewd moss]

Medusa in the passion tournament

[serene ermine]

im counting this as in casual

like

[mental robin]

don’t forget sosora

[serene ermine]

most people would use em

[soft ivy]

SOLS RNG PLEASEEE

[mental robin]

❤️‍🩹 🤣

[soft ivy]

least annoying tourney

[sick glacier]

wait tourneys are annoying?... doesnt that cause stress??? @devs we have an issue.

[shrewd moss]

Bum guy who needed rng

[soft ivy]

reals ones remember the killua rng, then the devs explicity stating tournaments after would not be rng based...

[sick glacier]

then they added griffith

[serene ermine]

update 5.5
no one i guess
update 6
bridget and gear boy
update 6.5
merlin, rudie, arc
update 7
everyone besides reimu and ackers (6)
update 7.5
i think ali?
update 8
gg

[shrewd moss]

Yen RNG still a thing btw

[serene ermine]

so

thats a whole lot of useless units

lemme count them

[soft ivy]

just stupidity sadly

they have this cycle of thinking theyre the shit, then another td steals their players they hunker down release a semi good update then go back to basically shit posting

[serene ermine]

31 useless units on their drops

[warm coyote]

If you hate on jailer you hate on me, we are 2 birds of a feather

[mental robin]

we forgetting frieren no?

or was she actually good at the time

[soft ivy]

32 range...

[serene ermine]

yeah i just didnt wanna diss my goat

lmao

[shrewd moss]

7.5?wdym

[mental robin]

😭

[soft ivy]

she was never good

[serene ermine]

i didnt include her

cuz she was the wl character

and i was like

ok well i guess she needa be there

[mental robin]

was it her inconsistent DPS

[serene ermine]

wdym wdym

[serene ermine]

no she was just ass

[soft ivy]

her setup and how quickly her stacks would go and she was just ass

[serene ermine]

her chest mechanic was sum bs

[mental robin]

ah okay

[shrewd moss]

U wasted precious av dev time redesign on unit NOBODY is gonna use

[serene ermine]

so at minimum 31 units have been useless

in this game

[shrewd moss]

We only evod jailer for the rrs

[soft ivy]

made hell arc characters seem shitty, horn of salvation ichigo all over again...

[sick glacier]

i havent even done that

[warm coyote]

i use him

[sick glacier]

and lowkey wont, no point now that comps gone

[soft ivy]

ive evo'd 2 units

[molten mesa]

Son

[sick glacier]

av is now a tcg game

[shrewd moss]

Me too I only evod Perona still don't have ainz

[sick glacier]

I shall only play it to fill out my index

[shrewd moss]

Only usable on challenges

[warm fulcrum]

whats your take on this

[sick glacier]

evod the only unit that doesnt want an evo

[serene ermine]

mention the 31 useless units

[soft ivy]

fence sitting

[serene ermine]

not even including 9.0 and 9.5

[shrewd moss]

She's getting buffed it's bug her cost being more

[sick glacier]

devs are too busy removing content to fix this HUGE INSANE bug buddy.

[warm fulcrum]

kamui already disagrees with the filler units

[serene ermine]

no i thought u were gonna do a suggestion

i know kamui doesnt like them

[warm fulcrum]

bro ive written enough today 😭

[sick glacier]

they need to get lawyer aproval to fix the bug.

[warm fulcrum]

and hes already suggested to the devs

[warm coyote]

you explained why we should stop giving rewards as a whole in ur msg
why should pyseph spend hours optimising the games networking so 40 ppl can have less laggy runs

[soft ivy]

i think everyone would just rather 2-3 units with thought into them then just dogshit

[warm coyote]

Hes meta

[serene ermine]

i mean

you could say that about a lot of stuff

[warm coyote]

chill on him hes just a bit wabi sabi

[shrewd moss]

Better time wasted than the 40 using jailer and ghoul

[sick glacier]

same reason the devs spent god knows how much time on this new dogshit ui that is worse than the old one in every way utility wise and ux wise

[molten mesa]

What does wabi sabi mean

[warm fulcrum]

thats not what im arguing in there, im just saying if theyre gonna go through the effort of keeping leaderboards showing placements, why not just hand out the rr anyways

[sick glacier]

actually fixing the networking would improve the game overall and allow the devs to make bigger modes with more enemies and mechanics

[soft ivy]

dogshit

[molten mesa]

LOL

[warm coyote]

bc then we have 1 season with inf claim and devs have to deal with all that drama

[serene ermine]

those early odyssey tweaks didnt help at all, the ui change was completely unneccesary (although a rewriting of the code is fine), all 31 of those useless units, theres lots to not waste time on

[sick glacier]

the new ui has uhhhhhh added the ability to uhhh, bug fix it 5 times since its addition!

[soft ivy]

the lobby be like

[warm coyote]

cutting oit every chance of shit like that is just the best option

[warm fulcrum]

ur telling me its too much effort to make sure there isnt an infinite claim bug on the leaderboard??
\

[sick glacier]

drama mostly generated by the devs randomly choosing who to wipe, ban, unban, ban again, unban

[warm coyote]

well considering there was 1, i would say so

[soft ivy]

yes

[molten mesa]

Kamui, what do you think about the future of AV? Will it survive or will it fall?

[soft ivy]

duh!

[warm coyote]

its going to survive

[soft ivy]

w pr

[warm coyote]

removing lbs should make u more hopeful for its survival

[warm fulcrum]

no it isnt, we would prefer buggy and not very rewarding leaderboards to nothin at all

[warm coyote]

since its fully for casuals

[warm fulcrum]

as the poll clearly shows

[sick glacier]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

[serene ermine]

doesnt really

like

[sick glacier]

"the devs going against the communitys wishes cause they're too lazy should make you more hopeful"

[serene ermine]

affect anyone besides the people that do it bro

[sick glacier]

come on kamui, be real

[warm fulcrum]

😂

[soft ivy]

the changes remind of me in walle where theyre all fat and in wheelcares

[serene ermine]

how does that even help casuals

casuals arent interacting with infinites anyways

[warm fulcrum]

genuinely i have never actually considered quitting av until this point

[warm coyote]

“communitys wishes” and its like 100 people

[soft ivy]

slop being force fed to their brain

[serene ermine]

how does that help with casual engagement though

[sick glacier]

yeah, thats part of the community, only people that benefit from this change are the DEVS

[soft ivy]

they dont feel anymore fomo

🥺

[sick glacier]

cause they get to work LESS, and be LAZIER

and dont have to bother with problems from THEIR coding

[warm coyote]

it doesnt directly but you should see it as “wow this truly caters to casuals”

[soft ivy]

the 1 skin every 3-4 months was straining

[warm coyote]

and casuals pay the bills

[warm fulcrum]

theyre bills are paid

[serene ermine]

why should we see it as that

what

[sick glacier]

so I should see it as "wow, the devs really want more money!"

[serene ermine]

😭

[warm fulcrum]

they could retire now 😭 and theyre set for life

[serene ermine]

how is this catering to casuals

[main sand]

so yeah

we’re not getting a replacement for ts anytime soon

what’d I say yo

[sick glacier]

devs should've told me they needed money smh, I got a couple ani bundle 1s to spare

[serene ermine]

like i mean i dont think casuals ever complained about infinite lbs

[weak terrace]

forces there to actually be an endgame that devs have to work and gets rid of the lame endgame of "be comp and grind leaderboards now"

it finally acknowledges that there is nothing

[soft ivy]

give them a janny.

[serene ermine]

nope

we all know thats not happening man

[sick glacier]

woah now calm down, im rich not jeff bezos

[serene ermine]

that gamemode is coming in 2 years

[daring star]

If you hate on black hole you hate on me, we are 2 birds of a feather

[soft ivy]

mb mb mb

[rugged vine]

ong they aint even fix the mahito train we aint seeing a replacemnt for lb

[warm fulcrum]

paying the bills ❌
paying 5000 dollars worth of robux in bundles for shiny diavolo ✅

[sick glacier]

mind you we dont have an event gamemode that was slated for this update

[soft ivy]

that unit is so flipping cool, they picked the coolest character from that movie for sure!

[weak terrace]

welp if it doesn't come then the game is cooked, thats p good motivation for them imo

[soft ivy]

someones gotta buy those bundles...

[serene ermine]

hey wait guys

i think i remember a discord channel

[main sand]

do people not realize they never used lbs as an excuse

ive never heard them do that

yk what they do claim as the reason why they don’t add more hard content?

people who are casuals aren’t catered too

[serene ermine]

where they can ask the community about endgame content

is that ringing any bells?

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sick glacier]

game could follow what the sols RNGuards suggestion says and it would 10x its ccu

[main sand]

can I get an ss of them saying that lbs are the reason why they won’t add more hard/endgame content

I’d love to see one

[sick glacier]

being a quality game is NOT a requirement for the game to survive

[soft ivy]

but then theyd have to do something...

[main sand]

no?

they don’t gaf about a small group of players

[warm fulcrum]

ok maybe im going too far into blind hate i gotta stay rational

[sick glacier]

no you dont understand, they HAVE to do something cause uh yeah

[warm coyote]

me and ghoul girl are like this 🤞

[serene ermine]

#「📊」game-polls dream scenario when they hit this channel abt this exact topic

[soft ivy]

god shes so meta

[main sand]

they literally admit that it only affects a small percentage of players and therefore the time and money sink into the lb skins isn’t worth it

so why would they spend more developer time on a new gamemode for us

hmm

[mental robin]

I remember it was with a couple thousand people

[warm fulcrum]

exactly

[rugged vine]

a ppppublic chat to scary

[shrewd moss]

Leave my girl alone

[soft ivy]

bombed with everyone saying remove it because a dev slightly favoured it being removed

[sick glacier]

you didnt even know the true inspiration for her skin, fake fan, only me and @nico are twins with ghoul girl

[serene ermine]

holy shit maybe theyre right

[main sand]

ok this was in 2024 bro

[warm fulcrum]

endgame content

[soft ivy]

that aint event aint even hard 🤣

[serene ermine]

maybe theyve thought that theyve been doing endgame content this whole time..

[soft ivy]

give the players another ltm gamemode please

[warm fulcrum]

it wasnt hard on release i promise u

[mental robin]

wasn’t that just vegeta land

[serene ermine]

u lit only needed vegeta and tengen

and u won

[rugged vine]

sukuna tho

[main sand]

https://tenor.com/view/reze-chainsaw-man-chainsawman-reze-movie-bomb-devil-gif-3957267890986743487

[soft ivy]

tengan/gojo with crocodile

[warm fulcrum]

[serene ermine]

if

[rugged vine]

I had issues clearing it on release man

[serene ermine]

😭

IF we get communication

[mental robin]

If isn’t never

BELIEVE

[shrewd moss]

Only actually hard content was ex aot and gg stages but aot was actually much easier

[sick glacier]

ex aot sneak

[rugged vine]

ex aot was not hard

[sick glacier]

those who placed down kaguya and hit nuke at last wave

[warm fulcrum]

big if

[serene ermine]

oh LORD

[shrewd moss]

Those who didn't have Kaguya🥶(ywach still soloed

[mental robin]

pvp

☠️

[rugged vine]

Pvp agenda is getting pushed to the fullest

[soft ivy]

ITS SO FRICKING ENDGAME

[warm coyote]

jsnt that technically correct doe

[sick glacier]

delete pvp mode

[mental robin]

pvp can totally stay

[serene ermine]

no because you dont have to have a shit ton of units to win

[rugged vine]

if they wanna talk about issues pvp is right there

[shrewd moss]

Bro really wants a promotion

[serene ermine]

like the top ranked of pvp

[soft ivy]

😝

[serene ermine]

yeah u needa be endgame

but to interact with the gamemode you dont need to be super endgame

also its just boring

so

😭

[sick glacier]

if this was polled theres a high chance deleting pvp mode wins, especially if you use the same old excuse of "it'll make updates faster and less buggy and we can get food for our families pls let us work less we are starving plssss"

[serene ermine]

@warm coyote how did the thing about lucy go

[soft ivy]

as soon as pvp bugs i just stop! its crazy how engaging it is

[warm coyote]

what thing

[soft ivy]

more time to allocate towards the lb skin every 3-4 months

[serene ermine]

using lucy in a match

howd it go

[cunning pulsar]

The 5 mil rbx tourney gone sh as😭

[warm coyote]

Oh

[shrewd moss]

Never happening

[main sand]

no wait

[serene ermine]

was my hypothesis incorrect

[main sand]

Guys

[warm coyote]

idk i couldnt really tell if it was worth

cos i vsed chuds

[cunning pulsar]

Yh

[soft ivy]

no no its happening i swear, on kamuis soul

[main sand]

we do NOT need to delete pvp

ts is the only reason I log on anymore

[serene ermine]

dont worry ill win against u next time

[rugged vine]

what a sad reason to log on

[sick glacier]

wait you're right, we just gotta delete the pvp shop and lb and ranked mode

[warm fulcrum]

no because its not enjoyable in the slightest due to all the bugs

[warm coyote]

never

[main sand]

what else am I supposed to do this game has 0 content

[soft ivy]

find a hobby...

[warm coyote]

Oh and infinite was

[sick glacier]

uhh, infinite and worldlines lb? duh

[warm fulcrum]

yes

[rugged vine]

guilds obv

[warm coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945198164376444999/1430142411773968557/attachment.gif

[main sand]

I don’t like play that much 🥀

[main sand]

infinite and worldlines lb

hm

[warm fulcrum]

infinite is more playable than pvp

[serene ermine]

idk theres a pretty big difference between pvp rewards and inf rewards

[sick glacier]

infinite lb unironically takes less time investment than pvp, and thats ridiculous

[soft ivy]

1 minute spent on pvp is too much sadly..

[shrewd moss]

So this means also delete pvp?

[main sand]

uh

I prolly have like over 40 hours on pvp

[heady marsh]

What could be another late game content idea

[main sand]

[sick glacier]

also theres no risk of entering an empty match that wont start when you play infinite, unlike a certain other mode whos initials are pvp

[soft ivy]

🥲

[serene ermine]

i have one but im gatekeeping

[rugged vine]

thats like 4 matches

[mental robin]

ODYSSEY

[heady marsh]

I personally think clan wars would be a great addition

[shrewd moss]

@earnest harbor 72h run

[serene ermine]

bro whenever this game promises something they're either lying about ir or take 10 years to add it

they said they'd fix challenges at the 5.0 stage

and it took until 7.5 or 8.0 for that to actually be true

[rugged vine]

guilds again!

[heady marsh]

Clan wars!!

[shrewd moss]

Beat 10000 stages soooo fun!!!

[warm fulcrum]

@warm coyote does the logic for deleting worldlines and inf lb not apply to pvp? (and explain why please)

[serene ermine]

lit the simplest change ever too btw

[mental robin]

guilds aren’t real

[main sand]

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1437150912656441385

I had one that took me ~6 hours to make and netted 300 stars

but the devs completely ignored it/didn’t comment on it

soo

[rugged vine]

i fear so they removed the comming soon sign

[soft ivy]

so basicalkly u spend 25 hours farming dmg in sand infinite.... 😄 then u never get ur guild rewards

[sick glacier]

it applies but kamui enjoys pvp unlike the other modes so he'll make sure that never happens

[main sand]

I don’t think they gaf about hard content man

[heady marsh]

Wow

[soft ivy]

enjoys genuine shit

[main sand]

they don’t actually respond to the suggestions that suggest modes what they could do

[rugged vine]

contribute 1mil gems to your guild for it to reset

[heady marsh]

Yes I saw this I gave it a star I thought it was sick

[mental robin]

they removed soon so that means it’s verrry close which means we only have to wait until update 50.0

[warm fulcrum]

[serene ermine]

i have something cooked up owoflexz

i got you bro

[warm fulcrum]

actually crazy

[main sand]

let’s see it chucky

[soft ivy]

nonono u do this everyday though so ur top 10 and everyone makes their guild image give us rewards but u still get aired by devs

[mental robin]

there’s no other explanation

[celest wasp]

If you wanna avoid making lb skins like the plague just give fucking familiar shards😭

[serene ermine]

its lowkey not visualized yet but i have a framing of it

[main sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291141058650046547/1439395619109339236/image.png?ex=694881a2&is=69473022&hm=057240b3dfeaba91e0d5562535d0fedc7ab7698f254b6927489caf0817a37ba0&

took me a lil

[daring star]

too far.

[warm fulcrum]

or just give us our rrs 😭 whats the point of just making it give nothing

[earnest harbor]

?

[soft ivy]

no but this takes effort...

[daring star]

where am i ever using this anymore

[warm fulcrum]

hi

[main sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291141058650046547/1450968261255495863/togif-6.gif

[soft ivy]

can this just be portals instead

[celest wasp]

Deadass

[main sand]

yes

[daring star]

terrible thoughts of removing lb behind those eyes

im crine

[soft ivy]

thanks

[heady marsh]

You are like the evil Berk

[warm fulcrum]

[soft ivy]

remove story tbh just make them portals or ltm too much effort anyways

more appealing to casuals

[warm coyote]

its this chicken nuggets fault

He did it.

[shrewd moss]

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1452224615194824734 vote pls

[warm fulcrum]

mode looks more fun than anything ever added to this game icl

[daring star]

gng this is U

[warm fulcrum]

which isnt even an insult to this game that suggestion just looks fire

[heady marsh]

I acc like pvp but it’s so buggy

[soft ivy]

in retaliation increase shiny gazelles value, thatll show them

[heady marsh]

Let’s not do lbs instead make a unit that you can only get by hitting wave 250 in inf with a low chance

[serene ermine]

@owoflexaz

aura loss

@main sand do you want the framework of it or just the entire thing

[warm fulcrum]

i cant even tell if your joking

[soft ivy]

went from als copying av, to av copying als

✌️

[warm fulcrum]

never thought it would get this bad

🥀

[shrewd moss]

Vote more plshttps://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1452224615194824734

[serene ermine]

the abomination thing is the final boss concept btw

[main sand]

thank you

[main sand]

what does this mean

[soft ivy]

im excited for this v angaurds vs skeletons or wtv it is, sure hopes its not just slop

[main sand]

let me read 1 sec

[soft ivy]

for dmg or stage completions

[serene ermine]

pyseph said it was something interesting

ill send ss

[soft ivy]

casuals interesting?

or genuinely interesting

because paint drying is interesting to them apparently

[serene ermine]

you can never tell with the devs

lmao

[main sand]

same person who said Eren was the best unit in 7.0

I don’t trust yo

[soft ivy]

genuinely

"all units are made equally and balanced equally"

[celest wasp]

I mean he was the best because everyone else sucked

[soft ivy]

funny how sum are just utter dogshit

[celest wasp]

💀

[main sand]

I think it’s good, some of the wording is a bit confusing but it’s just the skeleton atm so that makes sense

[celest wasp]

Rumbling team was the only thing of value out of 7.0

Everyone else was a 0/10 eren is a light 0.1

[main sand]

individually ackers and the BP units are better 😭 I guess you could say Eren is the best with rumbling

but that takes 3 units and that just isn’t worth it in anything but lb

[celest wasp]

"Aot is too grounded and basic to make units that work without relying on other units" gives horsegirls 3m mapwide dps

[heady marsh]

Like Berk is like a terrible unit designer and balancer and you are a good one

[main sand]

the thing is

they didn’t even give Eren all his stuff

[heady marsh]

So evil Berk

[warm fulcrum]

gives uma 3m mapwide dps

removes inf lb

[celest wasp]

The BP units have the worst aoes known to man I'd use the full aoe dps over that shit

[warm fulcrum]

[main sand]

where are the Past Titans or his War Hammer abilities

like what

😭

[celest wasp]

I've only used unevo ackers so inwont comment on those

[main sand]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-alan-bowe-dance-floating-gif-15415378831496733351

[serene ermine]

i mean

owoflexz hasnt evend done any balancing in his suggestions

[celest wasp]

8.0, 8.5 units were decent dk what the fuck they did with anni and 9.5

[serene ermine]

i dont think

design yeah thats fine

idk about balancing

[main sand]

I make the passives not the dmg

[mellow moth]

past titans are the shinies

[warm fulcrum]

anni they couldve just added dio and called it a day

[main sand]

the actual dmg stats literally have 0 use to make

[celest wasp]

Chill on wou and godzilla

[serene ermine]

yh thats why im saying u dont really balance

[warm fulcrum]

those too but everything else was just a waste of time

[celest wasp]

Yep!

[soft ivy]

mha gives me ptsd if this game wants to survive they have to stay well away

[warm fulcrum]

would even take.. yk... an inf lb skin.. ???

[soft ivy]

gamefam might snitch again

[warm fulcrum]

over that

[serene ermine]

godzilla and wou were good for wl right?

[main sand]

if I had a place to test my units like they do I would, but it’s kinda hard to do that in a vaccum ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heady marsh]

Have any of the devs done these ideas?

[warm fulcrum]

yeah

zilla not sure

[main sand]

nope

[warm coyote]

BOIII WBAT YOU SAY ABOUT RUMMIE

[warm fulcrum]

but wou yeah

[soft ivy]

too long to develop sadly

[celest wasp]

Saddest thing is these fodder units take days of devtime and thousands of dollars to make still like what the fuck even is the point

[serene ermine]

i saw xopt usin him

in one of the high wl floors

so

[soft ivy]

godzilla is so ugly it hurts

[serene ermine]

and someone told me he had the highest dps in the game but i didnt really believe em lmao

[main sand]

WE ALL USE JAILER
AND TOUHA
AND BLACK STAR

[celest wasp]

Ok this is just slander godzilla looks fire

[main sand]

WE ALL USE THEM

[warm fulcrum]

well not anymore he doesnt

he had the highest full aoe dps before

[serene ermine]

he used to?

[main sand]

put respect on Judar’s name bro

[warm fulcrum]

this update

[soft ivy]

omg it genuine hurts how ugly he is

[celest wasp]

Touka would legit be bad even if she came out 10 updates ago its so fucking funny

[heady marsh]

I’m not touching jailer 😂😂

[serene ermine]

oh full aoe

[warm fulcrum]

highest full aoe dps

[serene ermine]

okay

[soft ivy]

its genuinely eye damaging

[serene ermine]

that makes more sense yeah

[soft ivy]

[celest wasp]

This has to be just you ive never seen anyone say godzilla model is bad before this

[serene ermine]

this is such a stupid captcha bro

[warm fulcrum]

wou shiny on the other hand

[soft ivy]

personal opinion idrc what other ppl think

[main sand]

they missed the perfect chance to make the shiny Shin Godzilla (since he literally gets wings in concept art for the movie that got scrapped)

but no because apparently a dumb chain = funny 🥀

[celest wasp]

Atleast its not just a fucking recolouring

[serene ermine]

what is this bro

[warm fulcrum]

at least its not uma shiny

[serene ermine]

stupidest thing ive ever seen

[serene ermine]

nah uma shiny isnt even that bad bro

its unique they added a little guy dancing

thats cool

ACTUALLY

THEY TOOK MY IDEA

I FORGOT

[main sand]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[serene ermine]

THEY TOOK MY IDEA

screw them...

[heady marsh]

Why dont they hire more devs if the work is becoming too much

[celest wasp]

Uma shiny had more effort put into it than broly shiny 🤫 🤫

[cunning pulsar]

Less money overall

Cost benefit ratio says otherwise

[mental robin]

heads or tails

😂

[warm coyote]

The dev who picked the unit picked the shiny aswell

[celest wasp]

The devs they currently have on payroll dont even work all the time vanguards vs zombies got delayed because whoever is making it went on a vacation

[heady marsh]

I saw that Mel wasn’t getting the pay she deserves or something

[mental robin]

Oh

[heady marsh]

She was talking about it in general so idk maybe they don’t pay the devs as much

[celest wasp]

After all these cuts and splitting the update into 2 SURELY upd 10 part 1 doesnt take more than 3 weeks right

LIKE SURELY

[daring star]

so youre telling me some shinies were chosen to be that way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347761177207246929/1449005632949719091/ezgif-3518686cf5eebfc0.gif

[warm fulcrum]

u cant even see it in the profile

i wanna flex my shiny uma

[heady marsh]

It’s gonna be like the fate update how we got gigla then like the boss event

[soft ivy]

unit pick couldve

[daring star]

not a flex chump

[main sand]

the thing that I don’t understand is that they use lb units/skins taking too long to make as a reason to remove them

yet they make 4 units every .5 (and sometimes even in .0s) that are actually just terrible and don’t get used by a massive majority of people, and yet take more time & money to make than those lb skins

if they want to cut costs or time to focus on future updates that’s fine, but be consistent about this? I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t have cared if Jailer or Touha weren’t added in 9.5, if I liked either of those characters I’d be pissed at how they were treated, i looked at both of their abilities (according to the wiki atleast) and they both do so much more than what they gave them

but unfortunately they got taken by the slop and aren’t ever getting saved, same thing happened to Shirou which sucks, since he could’ve had a really cool kit and special interactions with Saber/Sakura (his lovers)

[mental robin]

oh my

[warm fulcrum]

[celest wasp]

Delayed vanguards vs zombies, axed lbs, split the update in 2. If 10 still takes 4 weeks its just chopped

[soft ivy]

if he wasnt so UGLY

[serene ermine]

ok but its unique and cool

u have to admit that

[warm fulcrum]

how about u turn this into a suggestion rq

[serene ermine]

mots shinies are just recolors anyways

[cunning pulsar]

Bro gna hve to get a job cause no wl😭

[warm fulcrum]

ehhhhh

[serene ermine]

its the trainer dancing bro thats tuff

[shrewd moss]

Got delayed btw

[main sand]

there’s not really anything to suggest tho

I don’t like suggesting something without also adding what they can do to improve

[celest wasp]

Been saying this, seasonals SUCK. Quest vanguards would take less time to make and are better received and dont need 4 shit units to be made

[cunning pulsar]

💔

[mental robin]

schedule still not be saving with a 2 part update

[heady marsh]

I wish passives were based off the acc anime characters abilities

[serene ermine]

enderian we have "hope" pie seth said this

[main sand]

update fr needs to come out next week or this splitting shit is stupid

[soft ivy]

but no more portals or ltm :(

[pseudo forge]

ok buddy

[shrewd moss]

Crine

[main sand]

how many units are we getting next update

3?

[serene ermine]

we have hope guys!!!!!!!!

[celest wasp]

Just make it somewhere along the lines of: stop seasonals and do more broly esque vanguards or just more updates like cid raid. Everyone would rather have a decent update schedule and solid obtainments than 4 shit units and 4 shit skins.

[heady marsh]

I need my slop now!!!!

[shrewd moss]

1 the Zoro vanguard

[mental robin]

I need my legend stages now

and EX stage

[soft ivy]

theyve been working really hard on this new skin

[celest wasp]

It has to be this coming sunday SURELY

[main sand]

apparently double evos take a lot of work, which are what quest vanguards are

soo

[heady marsh]

Slop slop slop we all scream in unison

[celest wasp]

Cant be more than mr 24 different vfx sfx

[mental robin]

didn’t we JUST say this about odyssey

☠️

[serene ermine]

nothing ever happens

[mental robin]

and it turned out

[soft ivy]

and 5 units that are never going to be used besides one unit arent?

[mental robin]

um

whatever

[serene ermine]

pie seth said it was supposed to be fun

so

no one has fun if they get shit rewards out of it

[mental robin]

we don’t trust them

[serene ermine]

so

well

[celest wasp]

Ay it wasnt anything like past content that doesnt mean it has to be good

[serene ermine]

i guess besides wl

[heady marsh]

Why aren’t you saying his name

[soft ivy]

no but this is different

[serene ermine]

idk what theyre doin

well thats gone now actually

lmao

[heady marsh]

Is it banned?

[serene ermine]

no i just say pie seth cuz its funny

[soft ivy]

pie sef is the name

[heady marsh]

Oh okay I got scared

[sick glacier]

hey I had a bit of fun with original oddyssey, seeing just how busted and insane my units could get with all the cards from chests

of course, they cant allow fun

[celest wasp]

Its first for the first run and then you never wanna touch it again

[serene ermine]

woahhhhh

calm down enderian

u dont wanna piss us off.

[celest wasp]

Hard content should have clear caps and the rewards should just be familiar items so casuals dont complain

[soft ivy]

it gets stale way too quickly sadly

[warm fulcrum]

adding fewer units but having those units be meaningful and usable so that less units have to be modeled and designed, saving time on updates and allowing more resources to be allocated to fixing bugs and other content, sounds like a good suggestion to me

[sick glacier]

current odyssey yeah, cause you gotta go for 10h long runs to see your units actually get strong

[heady marsh]

Or they could not be lazy

[main sand]

genuinely I think ainz is the worst designed unit ive seen since post nerf lfelt

why. does. he. have. so. much.

I get he’s a vanguard, and maybe ainz does that in overlord, but you can’t just give him everything even if there’s a limit because of elements

design wise ainz is very clearly based around bad elements being his meta spells (water has acid rain, passion has the auras and despair, etc.)

but when more meta units from these elements come into existence, ainz will probably get a massive boost since you wouldn’t be limiting your team by including them, you’d be improving it

also it’s just really weird kit wise imo, giving a unit that much is just very unhealthy, he’s only not in God on the TL because of his relatively low dps, but Goat summons and his utility are just so broken it’s ridiculous

if more good water & passion units get added that you’d be running in your team independently of ainz, I feel like he’ll go up

[celest wasp]

If we cant be asked to make 1 skin every 3 months then why are we forcefeeding our community seasonals

[soft ivy]

its insane how everyone with a brain reitterates it but it just falls on deaf ears

[main sand]

I’m typing this on my phone

my wrist hurts

[serene ermine]

someone vote odyssey bro please

[celest wasp]

This is only on paper lol

In practice hes never gonna be yohr main unit because of his cost

[soft ivy]

would just be lying

[celest wasp]

Ainz without caloric stone would literally be garbage