Arrays

[rain hinge]

i mean, i would say reverse should be far easier than anything you got but idk

[stark cosmos]

tell me then what should I try?

[rain hinge]

well of course i have no idea, but i have far far less of an idea for anything you have

[stark cosmos]

hm.. yeah ig so. for example the period route that worked for me was to get "race" then "athlete" then "1st" and "first" then I had "sentence"/"alphabet" from earlier and so you get individual letters. and then with letter appending you get "end" and from that you combine with "syntax"/"sentence" stuff and get "period"

[rain hinge]

i dont think a single one of those steps is remotely straightforward, but what do i know im still stuck at original

[stark cosmos]

well I looked at infinibrowser's recipes for dot and saw that some require "end" so I wanted to get that from "race", but it didn't give anything like "start"/"end" for some reason. but it gave me 1st. so I used that. for example I tried to make "dot" from "morse" and "braille", but that didn't work.

[valid tartan]

can we abuse this

[stark cosmos]

wait are those characters or brackets?

[valid tartan]

Brackets

[velvet topaz]

you can be abused

[stark cosmos]

imagine this: { "earth", "universe" } + { "er", "re" } = { "earth", "reverse" } 🥲

[valid tartan]

last two are dead

[spiral lotus]

I like the 🤯

[velvet topaz]

these ones got it too

also why did you abdicate the throne?

[spiral lotus]

What do you mean

[velvet topaz]

you were Queen Victoria

[valid tartan]

Got New String[]×7 {

[grand topaz]

why are we making 7d arrays

[valid tartan]

Fun

[velvet topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/wynaut-pokemon-cute-gif-5097226

[spiral lotus]

What if we wanted to represent all SI units huh?

[velvet topaz]

dimensionism be like

[valid tartan]

By the way can we make actual 7d array with this

[velvet topaz]

token cutoff probably says no

[grand topaz]

token limit

[valid tartan]

Rip

[grand topaz]

you can make a 19d array at max

[velvet topaz]

empty?

[grand topaz]

yea

[spiral lotus]

T'would be no closing brace no?

[grand topaz]

just 19 [ and 19 ]

[spiral lotus]

Ah

[spiral lotus]

That's 19 tokens Mr. Square

[velvet topaz]

got this some time ago. it probably tried making a (high number)D array

[grand topaz]

oh wait

yea you can add 1 more dimension

2 more actually

nvm

19 is correct

[velvet topaz]

yea

cuz it adds 2 tokens at once

was thinking that but got confused since you said it worked

[grand topaz]

i got confused by laurAsia

[velvet topaz]

someone should ban her for misinformation

/j /j

[valid tartan]

Brent should go Ping every mod

[velvet topaz]

not again

[spiral lotus]

Why'd...

This feels like an insult but I'm not sure exactly how

[grand topaz]

you see i don't type well on phone

[rain hinge]

I get this all the time

[spiral lotus]

Rubiks, you have something like [ "r" "_" "g" ] right?

[stark cosmos]

reverse

[spiral lotus]

Me when I pull out Arraycraft spelling methods

[valid tartan]

i think this is enough

[rain hinge]

maybe i just admit defeat and catch up, is any of this followable from somewhere or maybe i just go back to the initial stuff you sent

[stark cosmos]

it is not followable, I didn't even share a lineage for any of the elements there. the only followable stuff are the lineages I sent

but I feel like it'd be better if like someone optimised those / ran all up to 10 steps or smth. Or like making infinibrowser for it. Because the lineages are just so long.

[rain hinge]

I see

[austere anvil]

useful!

[rain hinge]

base or constructed?

[austere anvil]

base

[stark cosmos]

also found a period

I had "period" and "%" and it was quite easy

[tardy kelp]

Nice

[dawn nova]

if theres a way to get (4 base elements) and [4 base elements] maybe this would be a thing

[torpid oracle]

is [alphabet] good for normal combinations

[dawn nova]

i got all of those below by combining all the ones at the top

[torpid oracle]

like AWWM

[dawn nova]

havent tested it but im just thinking maybe this could work similarly to arraycraft

[austere anvil]

got append

[spiral lotus]

No

[stark cosmos]

how?

[austere anvil]

human app+human end

[stark cosmos]

oh cool

but is that even useful?

[austere anvil]

dontknow

[stark cosmos]

thx

[austere anvil]

and these two are useful

[stark cosmos]

ooh I got "app", "end"

[stark cosmos]

so they work?

i have some reverse but they didn't seem to do anything useful

[floral herald]

#1250657901106696232

[tardy kelp]

Sus +2 maybe

[floral herald]

already found

[austere anvil]

i only have end app

[floral herald]

for (alphabet)

[austere anvil]

sometimes

change to antonym

[austere anvil]

and this how

[stark cosmos]

"computer", "app" + "computer", "end"

[austere anvil]

thx

[stark cosmos]

I have also "and", "end"

i have this now

it is just "human", "append" + "pre", "rep"

[austere anvil]

do you have opposite

[stark cosmos]

no

[austere anvil]

it is not as useful as i thought

[stark cosmos]

hmm prefix and suffix

this made replace

the replace replaces the first element it seems like (if it is a single character)

but not always

[austere anvil]

idk

[stark cosmos]

i think you can easily get the rest of "(letter)", "prepend/append" with "(letter)", "replace" + "(char)", "append/prepend"

doesn't always work, but you will gradually get it

or like this

but I think if it was the other way around it would work much better (like "append/prepend", "xxx")

[rain hinge]

insane really, um ok wait im busy so will be a while before i can go back to original. wheres the furthest from base thing that you sent? id like to try follow up to there

[stark cosmos]

probably this one. you can make letters of the alphabet if you continue to play with "first", etc.
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j57t7xzqb0hdk62syj4z4f45

and this has some recipes for the alphabet and then append, prepend, replace
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j57ts8ge2zh34xxqesy1c5mq

[rain hinge]

wow cool

i was surprised i couldnt get far with original

probably cause i never got literature

or anything like paper

[stark cosmos]

hmm maybe

[stark cosmos]

found the gates

[rain hinge]

cool

[agile prairie]

how are these fd...

[tardy kelp]

You added u+300000000000000

[tardy kelp]

Oh wait maybe the ; at the end

[rain hinge]

indeed

[hazy solstice]

Perchance.

[velvet topaz]

mayhaps

[hazy solstice]

You can't just say "mayhaps"

[spiral lotus]

Peradventure

[hazy solstice]

Perlikelihood

[velvet topaz]

Perperhaps

[spiral lotus]

Banned

[floral herald]

breadsjdflad

[torpid oracle]

per be

[heady sedge]

"well i don't know it could be true"

[austere anvil]

wow opposite

[stark cosmos]

it was "and", "synonym" + "ant", "ex" but I think you could also make it by combining the alphabet together and with synonym/antonym

[rain hinge]

ex

[fresh marsh]

I guess playing Array Craft is like playing Infinite Craft but with a character limit of 10 instead of 30 🤔

[stark cosmos]

you can get a long word together with a short one

[split forge]

so like is this just to post what you get combining things with array elements? are there goals?

[viral shoal]

win

[stark cosmos]

it worked

[dawn nova]

are there any goals u are aiming for

as in any specific elements u are trying to get

or are u just combining random stuff for fun

[fresh marsh]

{ “array”, “craft” } when

or { “you”, “win” } or { “you”, “won” }

[stark cosmos]

atm I want to get "+" in quotation marks. I just got these for it

[dawn nova]

oh okay

how are u gonna convert the words into characters

[stark cosmos]

should be pretty doable. i am only missing "array"

[dawn nova]

have u gotten any other single characters

[stark cosmos]

yes, I have ".", "$", "%", "#", "@", "€", "£", "¥" and also their fullwidth versions

and also the "alphabet"

[dawn nova]

oh nice

did u also get them from just words related to them

[stark cosmos]

most of them I have only in combination with different chars/words though

[stark cosmos]

yes

and unicode

helped

[dawn nova]

i wonder if getting 002b or u002b or u+002b possible

thats the unicode characters for +

[stark cosmos]

that's why I want the +

[dawn nova]

for u+xxx?

[stark cosmos]

yes

[dawn nova]

have u gotten just unicode codepoints but without the +

[stark cosmos]

no

[dawn nova]

maybe if u somehow found a way to do that, like get 002b/u002b, u could get + that way

but idk how hard that would even be

[stark cosmos]

yeah idk

i want to get "plus", "symbol" and combine it with existing elements that contain single characters to get it

[dawn nova]

maybe words Character, Codepoint, Letter would help

[stark cosmos]

i don't have codepoint, but yeah

the thing is, it seems to be much harder to create single characters. but maybe that's just because we haven't found a good strategy yet

[dawn nova]

the official name of it is Plus Sign

so mybe if u got that its useful

[dawn nova]

arent u the only one who is trying to find strats for this lol

[stark cosmos]

yes pretty much me and i've seen segment tree make good progress as well.

[stark cosmos]

{ "array", "craft" } in ArrayCraft
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5tr0xsybrg7gagvqs2ry06k

i challenge you to find a better route

[dawn nova]

damn

[stark cosmos]

or if anyone would be interested in this challenge: Make the most interesting/advanced/useful element in just 20 steps

👀

[dawn nova]

equal sign in array craft ??? 🙀

[stark cosmos]

lool I got a non-arraycraft FD

[stark cosmos]

maybe in words. but + - sign hopefully soon

[dawn nova]

how did u get x- in there, did u use the word hyphen

[craggy bough]

I wonder what the fastest Array Craft exit to Normal Craft, from only Arrays, is.

[stark cosmos]

like 3-step to Tornado.

[craggy bough]

Oh?

[dawn nova]

nice tornado misspelling

[stark cosmos]

would you like to optimize in ArrayCraft?

[craggy bough]

Oh two step

Volcano

{ "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" }
{ "fire", "wind" } + { "fire", "wind" } = Volcano```

[stark cosmos]

yeah I shared those somewhere in this thread above. it is kinda funny you can do it that quickly

[craggy bough]

🌊 👑 { "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" } { "fire", "wind" } + { "fire", "wind" } = Volcano { "water", "water" } + Volcano = Island { "water", "water" } + Island = Atlantis { "water", "water" } + Atlantis = Poseidon

[stark cosmos]

oops I shared the wrong ones. these are in the correct order

poseidon%

[craggy bough]

What's your fastest to "alphabet" as one of the components?

[stark cosmos]

I have 563 step "alphabet", "alphabet"

that is probably the fastest. But I think it is not very optimised. the lineage includes steps from when I was getting killer, bowser with unnecessary recipes because ic browser uses the first recipe used

because there is this recipe "bowser", "life" + "water", "wind" = "fire", "earth", which I found to be I am pretty sure only depth 5

[craggy bough]

Right

I was thinking about trying to go for "alphabet", but I changed my mind - array craft is awful 💀

Can't even find "river"...

[stark cosmos]

i think that if we did like all 5-step, 6-step etc. elements, we'd see how much slower it is to make stuff compared to normal infinite craft. the thing is noone is really doing this so my recipes just include elements from stuff that I made before and so on and then the lineages just get absurdly long

river is like 4/5 depth

[craggy bough]

Found "human" before I found "river"

What's your best "human", "human"?

And is it used in "alphabet" at all?

[stark cosmos]

infinibrowser says 28-step but I believe that it is probably like 10-step or below

cause "plant", "human" is 5-depth and "human", "human" = "plan", "human" + "plant", "plant"

[stark cosmos]

it is used

i can share the lineage for alphabet, alphabet if you want

[craggy bough]

Oh, nice I FD'd "clean" array

Low depth as well

[craggy bough]

Sure

[stark cosmos]

https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5ttxm595q3t88nyqhqx3e79

[craggy bough]

6-step "human" array ```asciidoc
{ "water", "water" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "water", "wind" }
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "wind" } = { "plant", "dust" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "dust", "dust" }
{ "dust", "dust" } + { "water", "water" } = { "mud", "mud" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "mud", "mud" } = { "clay", "clay" }
{ "clay", "clay" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "human", "human" } // 6

[craggy bough]

Thanks

[stark cosmos]

wow cool

What the... this is the craziest recipe yet!!!!

[spiral lotus]

Are you doing Arraycraft set theory

[craggy bough]

Hmm, seems like Egypt and China/Japan are the essentials to your alphabet

[craggy bough]

Nice

[stark cosmos]

yea

[craggy bough]

And cut write

[stark cosmos]

this is the other pretty "low step" alphabet that I have

[stark cosmos]

I think that desk, office is also pretty useful #1269983949086654484 message

[craggy bough]

Looks like it

[stark cosmos]

this behaviour is weird

[craggy bough]

Surprised you had found sea, but not ocean

11-step ocean```asciidoc
{ "water", "water" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "water", "wind" }
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "wind" } = { "plant", "dust" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "dust", "dust" }
{ "dust", "dust" } + { "water", "water" } = { "mud", "mud" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "mud", "mud" } = { "clay", "clay" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" }
{ "clay", "clay" } + { "fire", "wind" } = { "brick", "pottery" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "clay", "mud" }
{ "clay", "mud" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "human", "god" }
{ "human", "god" } + { "water", "water" } = { "poseidon", "neptune" }
{ "poseidon", "neptune" } + { "water", "water" } = { "ocean", "ocean" } // 11 ::

[viral shoal]

array craft optimizations .-.

[craggy bough]

Only the essentials

12-step poseidon ```asciidoc
{ "water", "water" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "water", "wind" }
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "wind" } = { "plant", "dust" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "dust", "dust" }
{ "dust", "dust" } + { "water", "water" } = { "mud", "mud" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "mud", "mud" } = { "clay", "clay" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" }
{ "clay", "clay" } + { "fire", "wind" } = { "brick", "pottery" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "clay", "mud" }
{ "clay", "mud" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "human", "god" }
{ "human", "god" } + { "water", "water" } = { "poseidon", "neptune" }
{ "human", "god" } + { "poseidon", "neptune" } = { "trident", "trident" }
{ "trident", "trident" } + { "water", "water" } = { "poseidon", "poseidon" } // 12 ::

[craggy bough]

🗿

[spiral lotus]

What about all 1-depths?

[craggy bough]

What about them?

Atm I want to find a good nile

For hieroglyph

[spiral lotus]

Got distracted

I meant fastest 1-depth normal element arrays

"wave" "wave", "mountain" "mountain" and so on

[craggy bough]

decent nile, 23 steps```asciidoc
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "water" } = { "plant", "plant" }
{ "plant", "plant" } + { "earth", "earth" } = { "tree", "tree" }
{ "plant", "plant" } + { "tree", "tree" } = { "forest", "forest" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "water", "water" } = { "steam", "steam" }
{ "steam", "steam" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "cloud", "cloud" }
{ "cloud", "cloud" } + { "water", "water" } = { "rain", "rain" }
{ "rain", "rain" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "storm", "storm" }
{ "forest", "forest" } + { "storm", "storm" } = { "storm", "forest" }
{ "storm", "forest" } + { "water", "water" } = { "river", "river" }
{ "forest", "forest" } + { "rain", "rain" } = { "rainforest", "rainforest" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "rainforest", "rainforest" } = { "desert", "desert" }
{ "water", "water" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "water", "wind" }
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "wind" } = { "plant", "dust" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "dust", "dust" }
{ "dust", "dust" } + { "water", "water" } = { "mud", "mud" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "mud", "mud" } = { "clay", "clay" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" }
{ "clay", "clay" } + { "fire", "wind" } = { "brick", "pottery" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "clay", "mud" }
{ "clay", "mud" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "human", "god" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "desert", "desert" } = { "pyramid", "sphinx" }
{ "human", "god" } + { "pyramid", "sphinx" } = { "pharaoh", "egypt" }
{ "pharaoh", "egypt" } + { "river", "river" } = { "nile", "nile" } // 23 ::

[craggy bough]

Go for it, I'm gunning for alphabet

20-step "egypt," "egyptian". Good thing you had revived it already, Alfo
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "pyramid", "sphinx" } = { "Egypt", "Egyptian" }

[craggy bough]

21-step nile nile```asciidoc
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "water" } = { "plant", "plant" }
{ "plant", "plant" } + { "earth", "earth" } = { "tree", "tree" }
{ "plant", "plant" } + { "tree", "tree" } = { "forest", "forest" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "water", "water" } = { "steam", "steam" }
{ "steam", "steam" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "cloud", "cloud" }
{ "cloud", "cloud" } + { "water", "water" } = { "rain", "rain" }
{ "rain", "rain" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "storm", "storm" }
{ "forest", "forest" } + { "storm", "storm" } = { "storm", "forest" }
{ "storm", "forest" } + { "water", "water" } = { "river", "river" }
{ "forest", "forest" } + { "rain", "rain" } = { "rainforest", "rainforest" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "rainforest", "rainforest" } = { "desert", "desert" }
{ "water", "water" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "water", "wind" }
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "wind" } = { "plant", "dust" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "dust", "dust" }
{ "dust", "dust" } + { "water", "water" } = { "mud", "mud" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "mud", "mud" } = { "clay", "clay" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" }
{ "clay", "clay" } + { "fire", "wind" } = { "brick", "pottery" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "desert", "desert" } = { "pyramid", "sphinx" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "pyramid", "sphinx" } = { "Egypt", "Egyptian" }
{ "Egypt", "Egyptian" } + { "water", "water" } = { "nile", "nile" } // 21 ::

-.-

I got so excited

But of course....

Saved
{ "egypt", "egypt" } + { "papyrus", "paper" } = { "hieroglyph", "hieroglyph" }

[craggy bough]

18 nile nile (I had a few unused items in the last lineage) and hieroglyph hieroglyph in 26 steps```asciidoc
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "water" } = { "plant", "plant" }
{ "plant", "plant" } + { "earth", "earth" } = { "tree", "tree" }
{ "plant", "plant" } + { "tree", "tree" } = { "forest", "forest" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "water", "water" } = { "steam", "steam" }
{ "steam", "steam" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "cloud", "cloud" }
{ "cloud", "cloud" } + { "water", "water" } = { "rain", "rain" }
{ "forest", "forest" } + { "rain", "rain" } = { "rainforest", "rainforest" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "rainforest", "rainforest" } = { "desert", "desert" } // 8
{ "water", "water" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "water", "wind" }
{ "earth", "earth" } + { "water", "wind" } = { "plant", "dust" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "dust", "dust" }
{ "dust", "dust" } + { "water", "water" } = { "mud", "mud" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "mud", "mud" } = { "clay", "clay" }
{ "fire", "fire" } + { "wind", "wind" } = { "fire", "wind" }
{ "clay", "clay" } + { "fire", "wind" } = { "brick", "pottery" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "desert", "desert" } = { "pyramid", "sphinx" }
{ "brick", "pottery" } + { "pyramid", "sphinx" } = { "Egypt", "Egyptian" }
{ "Egypt", "Egyptian" } + { "water", "water" } = { "nile", "nile" } // 18
{ "nile", "nile" } + { "pyramid", "sphinx" } = { "egypt", "egypt" }
{ "cloud", "cloud" } + { "fire", "wind" } = { "rain", "thunder" }
{ "fire", "wind" } + { "rain", "thunder" } = { "lightning", "fire" }
{ "lightning", "fire" } + { "plant", "dust" } = { "tree", "ash" }
{ "plant", "dust" } + { "tree", "ash" } = { "plant", "tree" }
{ "plant", "tree" } + { "tree", "ash" } = { "plant", "ash" }
{ "Egypt", "Egyptian" } + { "plant", "ash" } = { "papyrus", "paper" }
{ "egypt", "egypt" } + { "papyrus", "paper" } = { "hieroglyph", "hieroglyph" } // 26 ::

[rancid ingot]

string.appends in arraycraft when ??

[valid tartan]

"string", "append", "a"

[spiral lotus]

Not any fault of your own of course but these speedrun lineages look atrocious

[fresh marsh]

you could use the notation 2{ “hieroglyph” } etc.

[valid tartan]

I guess we can skip {""""}

Like
2water
brent, poseidon

[fresh marsh]

you could

we are after all in the Arrays thread

[craggy bough]

I could, but it would be too much effort, considering there are mixed arrays as well

[fresh marsh]

so just write the mixed arrays as is

2{ x } is just short for { x } + { x }

[craggy bough]

I don't think that would look any better 🤷‍♂️

[craggy bough]

I agree, it looks atrocious, and not only that, it plays atrocious too, because the screen gets filled quickly with big elements - not to mention you reach the discord character limit very quickly too. Atriocious Craft 👍

I want to find a good alphabet though

Then I'll abandon it

[fresh marsh]

okay how about this notation then

[spiral lotus]

Arraytrocious Craft

[fresh marsh]

x, y for { “x”, “y” }

and you could write Array Lineage at the top

[craggy bough]

accidentally resized my sidebar 💀

[craggy bough]

Finally something related to alphabet...
{ "greek", "hieroglyphics" } + { "ink", "paper" } = { "alphabet", "writing" }

I was about to take a break

Oh damn, I found something very good

[valid tartan]

{"something", "very", "good"} when

[craggy bough]

This is neat

[spiral lotus]

Huh

Neat

Oh wait you said neat

[viral shoal]

smh stealing other peoples lines

[spiral lotus]

Uh

Illuminating

No that sucks

Anyway Ventus Anemos looks like Venting Amogus okay goodbye

[craggy bough]

Sub 40 alphabet array incoming

[stark cosmos]

there is also a revived "smoke Signal" very low depth, if you search for it

[craggy bough]

39-step alphabet array

Also found this 46-step x array

[stark cosmos]

awesome!

[craggy bough]

IB lineage for alphabet array, a bit easier on the eyes:
https://infinibrowser.zptr.cc/item/01j5v80k1ggqk0kz2defj1wp9g

[stark cosmos]

codepoint

[fresh marsh]

{ “from”, “codepoint” } might really open up the door to unicode stuff

because Fromcodepoint is actual unicode tech

[rain hinge]

interesting

damn I still left my save at original lol

Been short on time to work on it

[stark cosmos]

or { "string", "fromcodepoint" }

exactly 30 chars

[rain hinge]

sorry to ask, is there any chance you can try to connect up your normal save more? ik thats hard cause i dont actually know how to get the code to say what recipes it needs lol

actually no never mind i can do that

but i cant make it say what the stuff thats relevant is

[stark cosmos]

you could like go through all recipes in infinibrowser's database in the order of their depth (eg. Water + Water would be first, etc.) and then if the final element has a different recipe, you'd just add it at the start of its recipe list (or maybe at the end so that you could still know how YOU made it, not sure). This way you could optimise all elements in your savefile (all that are in infinibrowser).

hm... ok it is not that easy actually. because you could not even have both ingredients required for it

[rain hinge]

easiest is to list all elements with no recipe

that should be the "root" of the problem

[stark cosmos]

yeah, but you don't want to accidentally create loops, then that wouldn't really fix the problems

[rain hinge]

wdym

[stark cosmos]

forced loops

[rain hinge]

oh right

[stark cosmos]

like all paths to create a given element, would always lead to the same element being required in one of its recipes

[rain hinge]

yeah true hmm

[stark cosmos]

but if you went from depth 1 - to depth idk then you would ensure there are no forced loops

but yeah, if you don't have one of the ingredients, then that becomes a problem

[rain hinge]

right but i cant since they are cut off

they dont have a depth

[stark cosmos]

ig you'd need to make an algorithm that would assign them the depth. it would skip the elements that you don't have. but i suspect that it would take a pretty long time because each savefile is unique so you'd have to calculate it always again (but maybe there is a way of saving some stuff so that you wouldn't have to calculate as much)

but if you want to see my savefile and at least kinda fix it so that your program works well with it, I can send it over.

[rain hinge]

im not sure how browser does yeah, but if theres loops then theres actually no way to assign a depth at all

for your save since it doesnt get far you can print exported["gens"]

and it will list everything it could make

and then you can use that to make the things that cant be found

[stark cosmos]

haha this one is so funny and effective

[rain hinge]

ha

[stark cosmos]

i wonder if I can combine this with alphabet to get it with acute etc

[stark cosmos]

wdym by everything it could make? doesn't it already go through everything that it can make? or what exactly are exported["gens"]?

[rain hinge]

exported["gens"] is a dictionary containing everything it could make sorted by generation

since theres only 1k things in it it is printable

if you use things in there then you cant make loops

[stark cosmos]

I just got U+222a. also the game is trolling me and gave me "to", "codepoint" instead of "from"

also I wonder if this behaviour is the same in base game. Has anyone ever made To Codepoint or From Codepoint?

or maybe it is the "and", "union" element, because this is the second time it gave characters

[stark cosmos]

if exported["gens"] is all it could make (from my savefile) sorted by gens, and it couldn't make anything else from those (or at least that is what I think) in my savefile. so if I export those elements, how exactly did you mean to use them? using them to continue calculating generations won't work because it couldn't make anything from them

[rain hinge]

i meant to fix the save

it tells you what youre allowed to use in order to prevent loops

[stark cosmos]

ooh right

[rain hinge]

now that wont be a lot, but i suspect there will be one element where you just need to make one recipe for and it will unlock most of your save

i dont know how to tell you what that element is though

[stark cosmos]

hm... I could also "start from scratch" and use only elements that I have on the board. I would start with the 4 base

and then I would make advanced stuff from that

to hopefully fix it

or just make a new savefile and then merge them

[rain hinge]

well starting from scratch is a bit restrictive

you could use those 4 base or you could use the 1000 base

your choice

but yeah even if we merged my save and yours all your controls will still be cut off

[stark cosmos]

wdym 1000 base? like all depth 3/4

[rain hinge]

which is why im asking

i mean all the stuff in exported["gens"]

[stark cosmos]

also I have an old savefile so I could just fix all elements in there

[stark cosmos]

oh right

[rain hinge]

those are effectively base elements for the purposes of fixing the file

[stark cosmos]

now I understand what you meant

[rain hinge]

just in case theres something like idk string.append in there

[stark cosmos]

my first savefile is 2.5 kb and if I merged it with the exported["gens"] elements, and fix the old one, then merge with my current, it would fix it

hm... ok 2.5 kb is like 6k elements...

[rain hinge]

would it fix it?

if so then go for it

although it wouldnt fix the pain of the lineages jumping all over but theres so so many tools that are in your control lineages that i want so bad

but they are cut off D:

[stark cosmos]

D:

what tools, for example?

ok.....

[rain hinge]

Mr. Remove(), unstring.append, etc etc

i happen to need those to make the controls but ignoring that i just want em in general

im hoping the reason theres no recipe for them in the lineage is that browser couldnt find one

[stark cosmos]

huh??

[rain hinge]

ha thats awesome

it gave a codepoint in base 10

[stark cosmos]

oh they are missing from the lineage that I provided?

[rain hinge]

yeah

[stark cosmos]

: (

[rain hinge]

its cut off

it does better than my gen finder tho

[stark cosmos]

recipe for mr. remove() is somewhere in string.appends

[rain hinge]

yeah but the specific removes

[stark cosmos]

oooh

usually I got them from "string.remove" + Mr. Append('char')

[rain hinge]

right, but Mr. Remove(+) is the main one

its the source of all the trouble

theres recipe for it and i tried to follow back to the first thing that had something i had

except that never came

[stark cosmos]

ok uhm I will send you my savefile until I fix it, so that you can make it ?

[rain hinge]

the tree for it terminated at elements i still didnt have

hmm maybe

[stark cosmos]

i think that infinibrowser just cut them off randomly. because I should have recipes for all elements starting from when "alphabet" was discovered

[rain hinge]

yeah maybe

it terminated at "((c" (for one of the many branches)

[stark cosmos]

oh

yeah that is just random

hmm that is weird the recipe isn't in my savefile

i think it is the dementia bug

[rain hinge]

yeah that also is a problem

[stark cosmos]

i have a file with all recipes that dates back to even before I had helper script. I manually copied recipes to all new elements there. I stopped last week, but it has that recipe

hm.. which userscript fixed that bug again?

[rain hinge]

nothing

it hasnt been fixed

i think it should have been a priority since it was discovered but apparently not

[stark cosmos]

hm...

btw the main reason I stopped with it last week is because my ctrl button started to stay down on my (plugged in) keyboard, so yeah.

[stark cosmos]

this game.... why can't it give me "to", "japanese" 😭

ok just got it. but seriously? I get all of those above before that one

ah.. sadly it seems to make stuff romaji

[rain hinge]

what strategy did you have to use to get it cause it wasnt letting you

[stark cosmos]

combined it with something that starts with "to", reverse/opposite wouldn't work

but I am actually really glad it gave me "ot", "japanese", because the normal strategy for turning "a", "b" + "b", "c" = "a", "c" doesn't work well with it (or at least with the elements with "to" as the first one that I had).

but I was able to get "ot", "chinese" and other languages. then you need to convert the "ot" into "to". well I have not been able to do it with "russian" so far

but fsr "to", "taiwanese" + "taiwanese", "arabic" = "to", "arabic" worked

but most of the time it doesn't

alternatively you can also try to antonym/opposite "from", "language" -> "to", "language"

my collection so far

[stark cosmos]

backwards. nice

[floral herald]

@stark cosmos can i get an infinibrowser recipe for {"to","japanese"} (for japanese cities)

[stark cosmos]

sure https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5vw113d47r74spt2wj4gjmj

[floral herald]

ty

[stark cosmos]

nice

[floral herald]

oh shit its 1.5k lineage

i dont even have array starters

[stark cosmos]

omg you can just combine the あいうえお with the letters above to get all from the set

ok for w it made only わ

tried it with letters that have han/dakuten and it doesn't work as well, so only for the ones without that

ok for p it worked for all except po

[rain hinge]

what did you combine for these? not sure i get what you said

[agile narwhal]

not even possible, too long

[hazy solstice]

besides if you hypothetically got one you'd mysteriously go missing a day later so its not worth it

[stark cosmos]

{ "k", "k" } + { "あ", "あ" } = { "か", "か" }
{ "k", "k" } + { "い", "い" } = { "き", "き" }

etc.

[rain hinge]

is there something I don’t get

using Japanese to make Japanese

Requires you have Japanese already

[stark cosmos]

well ok, the first japanese character that I got was this one

i mean first katakana

[rain hinge]

oh

See I can’t tell the difference

hiragana and katakana is just Japanese to me

I can tell kanji though

it’s distinctly different looking

[stark cosmos]

ok. but it is even the first of both kana

[agile narwhal]

hiragana seems more curvy

[stark cosmos]

spell/spelled, backwards

[stark cosmos]

unfortunately there is an s

I got an upside down letter. wow

[stark cosmos]

U+002b, U+002d, U+00b1, U+2013, U+2014, U+2213

[stark cosmos]

i finally got U+

[rancid ingot]

damn

arrayland getting advanced

[stark cosmos]

{ "b8", "replace" }, { "1", "u+" } and { "from", "codepoint" } if you still want to try for your awwm request for cedilla @agile narwhal even though it has been cancelled.
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5xsy7zw5da0zpnp7g5mg98r
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5xt23jh6dj39pkzacnyw8wx
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5xt48qs9e27tq3j51d8fz46

[valid tartan]

It should be more related to #1206818198633193483 but It seems like arrays give some interesting results when combined with some In As

Can any arraycrafter test those stuffs?

[timber grove]

i know this is kinda diffrent than your stuff but i got this

[rain hinge]

wait you didnt get u+ yet but you have all these unicode? damn

[agile narwhal]

most if not all of his unicode stuff didn't need u+, even without arrays

[rain hinge]

hm

[rain hinge]

oh cool is this another entry? i have the ["amale" "male"] entry only

[velvet topaz]

Oh I have a bunch more than that one

[rain hinge]

i tried for a while

made a load of stuff with hashes and tried .split("#")

but nothing worked

[velvet topaz]

Not home rn so cant post the elements rn

[timber grove]

I used this as a entry but i might have more that use String.partition

[rain hinge]

hmm

append every letter to get the array of mr append?

[timber grove]

This+Prepend Hashtag+some sort of append

[rain hinge]

yeah like each letter one by one or all at once

[viral shoal]

do we have single quote arrays?

[rain hinge]

i guess?

[velvet topaz]

kinda?

all dead

[rain hinge]

w t f

new string[][] [? or different

[hazy solstice]

still giving air and not wind .. I really do wonder if neal just swapped it out last second

[spiral lotus]

The game thinks of itself as Little Alchemy

Maybe that's where it gets it from

[rain hinge]

air is probably just more common, but it is unusual given how it specifically snaps to prompt examples but fumbles with the base elements

[spiral lotus]

Fumble is such a funny word

[hazy solstice]

omg neal is tibetan

[stark cosmos]

found á

U+0648, U+feed

[velvet topaz]

feed

[stark cosmos]

you hungry?

U+feee wtf why do they all look the same

it increments too

[velvet topaz]

isnt that racism?

[stark cosmos]

this is interesting

[stark cosmos]

they are just symbols

[velvet topaz]

symbolist

[stark cosmos]

can't get "array", "swap" or "swap", "array", or just "swap" in general

[rain hinge]

Hmm you got swap but not swap? rare

[agile narwhal]

swap but not swap

[stark cosmos]

did you mean swamp?

[velvet topaz]

I think rubiks meant you got swaps but not swap

[rain hinge]

yeah swaps

sorry

phone auto correct is sometimes really unpredictable and can "correct" things like 5 words later and you dont notice

[rain hinge]

Oh yeah you have those crazy trims lol

[stark cosmos]

"{\"infinite\":\"craft\"}"?

or should I say "{\"escaped\":\"craft\"}" ?

[floral herald]

oh fuck no

[valid tartan]

What have you done

[dawn nova]

all of the combinations u get in 1 step from base elements

[dawn nova]

"€âcraft"

tell me if u guys want recipes for the base elements

[fresh marsh]

sir this is https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1269983949086654484

[stark cosmos]

wow you found the 5 base elements: the Water (it most likely already got wet), then Fire (burns), Earth (just earth/ground), Human (what is that?) and then Cow (moooooo)

[velvet topaz]

HuMoooon

[fresh marsh]

RIP { "Infinite", "Craft" }

[velvet topaz]

what was the entrance even? I forgor 💀

[torpid oracle]

new string [{}][}}}]{ smth like that

[agile narwhal]

someone optimised it I think

was it eisern

[dawn nova]

the entrance is in optimisheet

[fresh marsh]

{ "Infinite", "Craft" } resurgence? 👀

[velvet topaz]

Oh I forgot it used my freaking fd lmao
my memory is getting more and more shit by the ms

[velvet topaz]

new array?

[grand topaz]

square bracket is array

curly bracket is more like tables

[fresh marsh]

TABLECRAFT, I WANT TABLECRAFT

[velvet topaz]

isnt this bounty tablecraft?

[grand topaz]

or sets if you like math

[fresh marsh]

sir please read the name of the bounty

[velvet topaz]

but nata just said {{}} aren't arrays

[fresh marsh]

oh

well shit

ARRAYCRAFT, I WANT ARRAYCRAFT

curly brackets are also matrices

[velvet topaz]

big square brackets are also matrices

wait

[fresh marsh]

{ {a, b}, {c, d} } is a 2-by-2 matrix

[velvet topaz]

its been too long since if used matrices

[velvet topaz]

yeah I'm right, was confused for a sec

[fresh marsh]

if you get matrices with actual numbers in them then I bet you could get the AI to multiply them lol

although it might add them instead if Infinite Craft has a genuine + sign under the hood

[velvet topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/ghetto-staysinthehood-black-man-homie-gif-25183098

[valid tartan]

@nimble lance

[stark cosmos]

yes?

[torpid oracle]

wat

[pallid sleet]

arrays now behave differently:
old:
Example + New String[][] { = { "example", "example",

new:
Example + New String[][] { = New String[][] { "example", "example",

[split forge]

new update reverted nvm

[fresh marsh]

Advertising new thread https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1323488808053903430

[torpid oracle]

this thread will stay in 2024

[agile prairie]

No

We are in 2026

Prove me wrong

[stark cosmos]

proof: time is continuous

[agile prairie]

Prove that

[spiral lotus]

Actually I think you'll find you're in #1269983949086654484 , not #1210588578237775892

[stark cosmos]

say "time is continuous" is an axiom, then there's no need to prove that

[plucky crater]

we kinda forgot these existed

[agile prairie]

i'll run depth 10 on array base

[agile prairie]

file is to big

[vital sorrel]

hi

[grand topaz]

file is to big

[agile prairie]

big is to file