Arrays

[rain hinge]

from base or made yourself?

[austere anvil]

from base

[rain hinge]

i see

[stark cosmos]

yeah probably

thanks

[rain hinge]

not an array... but cool still

easy way in is "twins" + new string[][] {

makes twins twins

[stark cosmos]

btw rubiks

[rain hinge]

yes?

[harsh marlin]

he forgor

[rain hinge]

nah

asked in dev

[rain hinge]

...

great "joke"

[austere anvil]

syllables

[hazy solstice]

honestly i didnt even know you needed ascii, unicode revived i was paying attention to alphanumeric, ascii instead lol

I Just happened to have unicode, unicode on me from like yesterday or so

[harsh marlin]

did u get unicode unicode from base or

[hazy solstice]

No, working with base elements was too annoying for me so i quit that

[harsh marlin]

does it work?

[hazy solstice]

don't think so, but at the same time i don't have much to test it with..

I have a little bit of arrays but it seemingly doesnt have a reaction to any i try

[rain hinge]

so is this all from just append "letter"

[hazy solstice]

i dont have append "alphabet"

[rain hinge]

then what is it

[hazy solstice]

I only used prepend "alphabet" & remove the “alphabet”

[rain hinge]

oh right

[harsh marlin]

oh right i forgot i made this yesterday

[rain hinge]

banana

[hazy solstice]

nba, nba

[rain hinge]

did you guys have to go look at browser for making the shapes or unicode or whatever

[austere anvil]

an easy version of converting to chinese/japanese

[rain hinge]

cant get out of basic stuff rn, although i lost track of things i had long ago

like all plants and clouds rn

[harsh marlin]

get humans or something

[hazy solstice]

why did it do that .

[austere anvil]

i spent 2 hours staring at browser to get out starter age

[rain hinge]

i mean, im trying to but i cant escape plants through any of the normal methods like paper or pencil, etc

[stark cosmos]

do you want lineage for "ascii", "unicode"?

you can also use that to get out of starter age

{ "ascii", "unicode" } recipe
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j4rj9m774kpg86crnc8z7ykb

[rain hinge]

i got to smoking stuff, interesting

although it kinda ends there

[hazy solstice]

what the Fuck 679 steps

[spiral lotus]

The worse version of 69ing, where there is just A Guy™ in the way

[harsh marlin]

7 8 9

[stark cosmos]

well unfortunately it could be a bit optimised but I don't think infinibrowser can optimise it if the starting elements aren't earth, fire, wind, water

for example the recipe for fire, earth is much easier as you can see here #1269983949086654484 message

and you can skip bowser

[harsh marlin]

becoming an artist

nice

[hazy solstice]

now who wants to revive it

[harsh marlin]

not me

[rain hinge]

couldnt get to paper or wood, but it wasnt for lack of trying

[stark cosmos]

i am pretty sure i shared recipes for those

[rain hinge]

yeah ik

im just trying myself

[stark cosmos]

ok :)

[elder flower]

revived

[stark cosmos]

thanks

how did you revive that?

[hazy solstice]

what the fuck

[austere anvil]

is that from base element?

[elder flower]

no

[rain hinge]

seems rough

[velvet topaz]

Water
Fire
Wind
Earth
base elements yeah

[austere anvil]

I mean array's

[velvet topaz]

I tried the van Gogh and Monet one but didnt get it (is indeed very rough)

[velvet topaz]

I don't

[stark cosmos]

btw i have hand and eye. does anyone have any other body part / "body" ?

[austere anvil]

no

[rain hinge]

I don’t think I’m applying much thought to my combos rn I’m just keeping things with say ash or fire or steam and trying to combine with plants to get pencil or something

It’s just random spam more or less but I’m selectively keeping stuff

[austere anvil]

how is this not fd

[stark cosmos]

i don't know, but it is not mine

[velvet topaz]

This is a robbery! Unhand your revival technique!

[harsh marlin]

For some reason that person doesn't respond to replies

[velvet topaz]

Then he shall be filled with bullet holes!

[blazing hatch]

what does reviving an element mean ?

[lunar bramble]

GETOUT

... is what @torpid oracle would have said

[harsh marlin]

Necromancer power

[blazing hatch]

how can one revive an element

[lunar bramble]

get a version of the element that is titlecase

unless the element is past char/token limit, which makes it unreviveable

[stark cosmos]

basically every element can have its letters uppercase/lowercase however it wants, and they are "technically" all considered the same element. But the way that crafting works is that neal first checks if the elements exist in his database (so that you don't send invalid requests). And if one of the elements doesn't exist, then the crafting fails (eg. it seems like the elements just don't combine). But there is a catch to it. When the elements are getting compared, I think that it searches the database for a standardised version of that element (I am not sure of the exact details and if it works exactly like this, ask in dev for that, but the idea is the same), and a standardised version has every letter lowercase except for letters that are preceded by a whitespace - those must be uppercase. and so if you make an element that noone has ever made before, for example aghbnm, then this exact element gets saved in the database. But then when you try to combine it with other elements, let's say you want to combine aghbnm + Water, the database is searched for Aghbnm, which isn't found (you found aghbnm) and so it doesn't combine. But if someone revives it (eg. makes the element Aghbnm), then suddenly it can be combined with Water (sometimes you have stored cache so you need to clear it, but this will wipe your progress so use a savefile)

[restive iron]

how did you revive one?

[blazing hatch]

wow thanks

[harsh marlin]

can you tell us how you revived this

[stark cosmos]

also all elements longer than 30 characters can't combine with anything

so you can't really revive them

[blazing hatch]

does every element lower than 30 characters can be revived ?

[stark cosmos]

not sure. you have to find the recipe for it

[grand topaz]

currently theorized casing function: #1215495041049436170 message

[stark cosmos]

cool

[stark cosmos]

and i would guess that there are elements that you just can't craft in their "revived" form. because there is a finite amount of possible elements

oh for example Nothing can't be revived (literally that), EDIT: it was never dead

an exception I think

like hardcoded

[blazing hatch]

can we prove that we can't revive it ?

[stark cosmos]

neal confirmed* it I think

[blazing hatch]

ok

[restive iron]

when the game won’t combine 2 things it outputs Nothing

so it’s coded so you can’t make Nothing

in the same way you can’t make =

[grand topaz]

nothing is already revived cause crafts that result in Nothing do get saved in the database

(the fact that you can't get Nothing as an element is a client side restriction anyway)

[stark cosmos]

but nothing doesn't combine with anything

wait it does

fsr i thought that it didn't combine

[tardy kelp]

Aus

[stark cosmos]

why do you always say that?

[tardy kelp]

Why notttt 😔😔😭

[stark cosmos]

you're right why not

[tardy kelp]

Yayyyy

[dawn nova]

😾

[spiral lotus]

Big cat to big cat communication

[dawn nova]

😿 🧐

[stark cosmos]

🐱 🐈‍⬛ 😿 😻 😹 😽 😾 😸 😺 😼 🐈 🙀

👆 many big cats

[spiral lotus]

I posit that 🐈 and 🐈‍⬛ are actually quite small, relative to the others

[tardy kelp]

😼

[tardy kelp]

Sus

[dawn nova]

does this count as a cat

[tardy kelp]

No is cat ears and tail

Half cat

[dawn nova]

if said half cat kisses a half cat is it full cat

[harsh marlin]

No

[stark cosmos]

what is full cat? they combined?

[harsh marlin]

Fusion

[dawn nova]

yes

[stark cosmos]

or baby

[spiral lotus]

No

[dawn nova]

what if ur eyes are blind in specific spots

and they fully see in other spots

[spiral lotus]

... you do know what cataracts are right

[dawn nova]

and when ur looking at a catgirl, the blind spots in ur eye just so happen to coincide with the human features of a catgirl

therefore all you see is cat

[spiral lotus]

Aha, cat(😺)aracts

[harsh marlin]

At that size i wouldnt see a cat

[stark cosmos]

you would only see the background

[dawn nova]

u would see tails and ears

[dawn nova]

which is a cat moment

[harsh marlin]

Monkeys have tails and ears too

[spiral lotus]

List of animals that have tails and ears

Elephant

[harsh marlin]

Im out of this conversation

[spiral lotus]

I can't think of any more

[stark cosmos]

lizard

[dawn nova]

why do elephants have tails

[spiral lotus]

So flies don't congregate around their ass

[dawn nova]

why do lizards not have teleportation

[spiral lotus]

The scent of dung attracts parasitic flies, which the tail swats away

[harsh marlin]

They do probably

[dawn nova]

guys what if mark zuckerberg is a lizard who eats raw potatoes

without even boiling them or anything

[tardy kelp]

Fake

[dawn nova]

i mean people who do that must be lizarfd

[tardy kelp]

No one eats raw potatoes

[dawn nova]

exactly

[stark cosmos]

lie

what about sweet potatoes

[tardy kelp]

They sweet

[harsh marlin]

Bugs eat potatoes

[tardy kelp]

No count

[dawn nova]

1

[spiral lotus]

Technically not a potato

[dawn nova]

2 3 etc, YES count

i win

[tardy kelp]

Ohhh gl

[dawn nova]

guys what pokemon would i be

[tardy kelp]

When graffiti

[spiral lotus]

Nice

[tardy kelp]

Pikachu

[spiral lotus]

How'd the space get in there?

[unkempt girder]

Yo a space?

[stark cosmos]

natural

it is a natural space

[dawn nova]

no pikachu is literally the default pokemon

[tardy kelp]

Ywah

I know only him

That's why lol

[spiral lotus]

Did you ever get any cities from "city"?

[dawn nova]

is that 1 space, it looks wider than 1 space

[tardy kelp]

5 spaces

[unkempt girder]

I have Rome and Athens somewhere

[stark cosmos]

2 spaces actually😎

[tardy kelp]

Like the amount of potatoes

[dawn nova]

omg Real XXX City tech in array craft? real?

[dawn nova]

how did u get that

[spiral lotus]

Oh damn

[dawn nova]

fair

[spiral lotus]

Dead then

Shame

[unkempt girder]

2 spaces does that means dead?

[tardy kelp]

Why won't it tag me

[spiral lotus]

Yip

[dawn nova]

how is it dead

[spiral lotus]

Double space

[dawn nova]

i selected the option to not ping u there when replying

[tardy kelp]

Omg howww wait like thus

[dawn nova]

since when does that make elements dead

[stark cosmos]

||i faked it 🙂 ||

[spiral lotus]

Since forever

[dawn nova]

yep u didn't ping me there

[tardy kelp]

||You mean cat||

[spiral lotus]

Well actually since caps check was introduced

[dawn nova]

why

[spiral lotus]

Oh

[tardy kelp]

Coolllll I didn't know that

[stark cosmos]

joke

[spiral lotus]

Can we beat him up

[dawn nova]

also the @ next to a username that replied shows that its a ping reply

and if its not there then the ping is turned off

[tardy kelp]

What @

obbybigfast

I removed the @

[dawn nova]

since the @ is there it means my reply pinged you

[spiral lotus]

Now show them the one without

[tardy kelp]

Omg nice

[dawn nova]

e

here i replied to laurasia with ping turned off that's why @ isnt there

[stark cosmos]

ooo i didn't know you could turn it off

[tardy kelp]

Sus how not no

😔

[stark cosmos]

ez

[tardy kelp]

Sussss

[spiral lotus]

Alternatively you can also reply ping yourself

[stark cosmos]

I feel so close to getting "name" / "tag"

[stark cosmos]

it doesn't work : (

[hazy solstice]

apparently i only have two elements with a double space .. Genuinely got no clue why the first happened though lol

[rain hinge]

bruh

[rain hinge]

what doesnt work? you trying to somehow get symbols

[agile narwhal]

WYSIWYG to wysi O'clock...
what

[hazy solstice]

it has nothing to do with wysiwyg

[agile narwhal]

yeah... idk that's the 1st thing that came to mind

[hazy solstice]

This was the element i was going for

[grand topaz]

ironically i think of the other thing when i see wysiwyg

[agile narwhal]

ah k

[rain hinge]

damn nice

you got it which is cool

[stark cosmos]

yeah, getting symbols

[valid tartan]

WHEN YOU FUCKING SEE IT

[velvet topaz]

WHEN YOU SEE IT FUCKING

[torpid oracle]

I have been summoned.

[stark cosmos]

omg yes

i have a symbol

[rain hinge]

i dont see it... lol

[stark cosmos]

huh

[rain hinge]

oh what you did get a symbol?

im still stuck in plants

how much browser did you use

[stark cosmos]

I got sign using "minecraft", "sign" and then symbol through "letter", "character" which was gotten with "sign"

I also tried to get a Tag, but the farthest I got was a wall and battery (and sign). that is also why I got sign. I still hope to get nick/nickname/name from that

[stark cosmos]

little bit to give me some ideas, but it is not always straightforward

[rain hinge]

i mean it helps to actually have elements that arent just plants

i dunno how to escape

all the browser stuff just... doesnt work

[stark cosmos]

you can take a look at my lineages

unless you want to figure it out yourself

like good ones to get are human, stick, wood, paper

and clay, pottery, dust, etc

hm.. ok

[hazy solstice]

quelle est la recipe?

oui oui

[hazy solstice]

quelle est la recipe infinibrowser?

[rain hinge]

Yes I want to but I cant

I’m stuck in plant land

[stark cosmos]

are you trying to figure it out all by yourself?

[rain hinge]

Yeah

I’m trying like, to use browser sometimes too

[stark cosmos]

also with dust you can get mud which makes clay etc

[rain hinge]

But the hitrate is really low on this “mode”

[hazy solstice]

my keyboard randomly froze for a minute .. How peculiar

[stark cosmos]

yeah

[rain hinge]

It often just makes what you put in

I have stuff like “pine cone tree”, “rose dandelion”

also stuff related to smoking

And thunderstorms

That’s the 3 areas I’m in rn

I was hoping one would let me out but it didn’t seem to

paper is like, all I need

brick could work too

maybe I could escape with sharks or something by

[stark cosmos]

try making all 2-depth elements

there's like 10 + 4 base

[stark cosmos]

https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j4v64mgvv16eke4et4460q75

[hazy solstice]

mon dieu

[rain hinge]

yeah I made all depth 2 although after that organisation ceased

[stark cosmos]

I can confirm that to get clay, you need depth 5

[rain hinge]

I can go for Gen instead of steps though that requires much less thought

[stark cosmos]

wdym gen?

[rain hinge]

Well checking to 5 steps I actually don’t know how you’d even do

generation is easier

[stark cosmos]

what does generation mean?

[rain hinge]

it’s the height of the tree

[stark cosmos]

that is what I mean by depth

[rain hinge]

steps counts the number of combinations but generation just counts the height

[hazy solstice]

hm i was going through this and just noticed i for some reason already have one of these despite it being 400 steps in..

[rain hinge]

the two are not equal for branched lineages

[stark cosmos]

because some of the recipes are very unoptimised

*almost all

actually

[rain hinge]

Generation(element) <= minimum steps(element) <= 2^generation(element)

[hazy solstice]

Well no i know for a fact i didnt find a quicker way to it, i just somehow have drunk, drunk lying around despite having nothing before it in the lineage ... besides the very very first few arrays

[rain hinge]

And you can’t check the recipe why?

[stark cosmos]

ok

[hazy solstice]

MONOPOLY GO!
4.6 ⭐️ INSTALL

[rain hinge]

💀

[hazy solstice]

or in other words im on mobile

[stark cosmos]

I almost just gave up on this element. i thought that it was never going to combine into anything that doesn't start with "a " or "an "

[rain hinge]

the first one? I see

I’ll try depth thing in a minute

[stark cosmos]

nice

[tardy kelp]

Nice

[stark cosmos]

recipe for and?

[hazy solstice]

"an", "a" + "not", "not"

[stark cosmos]

how do you get that?

[rain hinge]

just spent a while doing all depth 3... idk if i can go much further

but see how its all in those buckets i havent been able to escape

all storms or plants

gen 4 will take an absolute age omg

[stark cosmos]

focus more on dust

[stark cosmos]

how did you get cloud rainbow?

[rain hinge]

you said you did depth 5? dude that must have taken hours

[stark cosmos]

yeah

[rain hinge]

steam rain + water wind

[stark cosmos]

wow I totally missed that

ig i will have to combine that with the other elements now

[rain hinge]

i mean i did do depth 9 but with water only, like depth 1 was lake, depth 2 was ocean, depth 3 was fish and sea, depth 4 was like just one thing iirc, etc

depth 5 had only 7 elements iirc

depth 5 here will be a good few hundred minimum

possibly into the thousands

[stark cosmos]

yep

and depth 4 is like 80

[rain hinge]

well in terms of things that are thousands, they took me weeks of 8 hours per day

so im not quite sure how that works but whatever

[stark cosmos]

Nvm actually, I won't do that.

should we ask someone to do all depth 9?

[rain hinge]

not even close to feasible sadly

[stark cosmos]

why?

we did up to all depth 12 in base game

or do you think the combinations go up quicker here?

[rain hinge]

no but depth means different thing

id be very surprised if we have done even a noticeable fraction of gen 9

like, more than a few percent

id be surprised

gen 9 can include things theoretically as high as 512 steps (although that number will be closer to 100/200)

[stark cosmos]

oh right.. I didn't realise those were actually steps

so doing all 10-step or lower

then

but I think that there would be less elements. Because they don't combine as much into valid elements.

[rain hinge]

yeah, youd have to brute force it but sure

[stark cosmos]

ye that's what I was thinking. no way anyone would do that by hand. also human error

[rain hinge]

its actually also just really hard to figure out how many steps something actually is

i tried to come up with a method of doing this

i couldnt

[stark cosmos]

you just need to have piles by steps. and then to get all step N, you first combine all step 0 with step N-1, then 1 with N-2 etc. where step 0 are base elements

[rain hinge]

unfortunately, no

i wish that was how it worked

anyway depth 4

depth 5 is looking like 12k combos

[torpid oracle]

wow

[rain hinge]

i did 38k combos in a month

and that was with a detup where it is much faaster

technically it is like, really slow the way i have to do it now i have all these scripts

[stark cosmos]

oh right, because the recipes can be shared..

[rain hinge]

so i should expect at least a week for depth 5 if you do 10 hour days

and dont break

[stark cosmos]

it is like 1k elements for depth 5

[rain hinge]

yeah thats at least a week of work

[stark cosmos]

took me 1 day

[rain hinge]

even at my extreme pace i managed back in march

[lunar bramble]

what did i say about pinging me while i am asleep bro

[rain hinge]

12k combos is just... a lot

especially with not having this all at the start of the savefile

[torpid oracle]

how do i know when you are eepy

[stark cosmos]

only combine the most useful looking elements then

[stark cosmos]

eepy sheepy

[rain hinge]

idk depth 4 took me couple hours and its about 1% of depth 5 work

how?

[lunar bramble]

im not online when im asleep

[stark cosmos]

are you talking about arraycraft or infinite craft now?

[rain hinge]

arrays

[stark cosmos]

ok just select the most useful looking elements and combine those. if you keep it at 20 or so you will progress quickly i'd say

[rain hinge]

by my count 114 elements that arent dead in depths 0-4

[stark cosmos]

also you need to keep some basic elements as well

[rain hinge]

yeah i could do that but im really confused

that should take over a week

[stark cosmos]

what that?

[rain hinge]

yes.. im not sure you understand just how much work depth 5 is

[stark cosmos]

wdym, I did all depth 5

*all

[rain hinge]

right, and im wondering how

[stark cosmos]

except for cloud, rainbow

[rain hinge]

its an absurd amount of work

[stark cosmos]

i had a quick setup

[rain hinge]

what allowed you to play at over 10x my speed rn

[stark cosmos]

i can show you an example how I do it

vid

[rain hinge]

k

with my depth 9 thing it was fast because i had sidebar of all elements in order

not so here

so its just way slower

and remember how long that took me

38k combos, 3k elements, 1 month

granted here its closer to 6 or 7k combos

but factoring in just how much faster the setup was back in march

[velvet topaz]

imagine if this was revivable

[rain hinge]

tqbfjotld

[stark cosmos]

accidentally made tree 2x but you'd just delete it

[rain hinge]

i do similar, but this just doesnt work once you reach any higher depth

[stark cosmos]

didn't want to rerecord

[rain hinge]

the distance is simply too great

[stark cosmos]

well then I had to move them offscreat when I was doing depth 5

[rain hinge]

right but like

[stark cosmos]

for depth 4 it barely fit on the screen

[rain hinge]

the distance you have to move things

is super high

[stark cosmos]

yeah I moved from left part of the screen all the way to the right

[rain hinge]

uh huh

that like, is super slow

[stark cosmos]

but like there's not a better way. you can't really search for the elements. ig you could pin them

[rain hinge]

youd have to show me depth 5 with this

[stark cosmos]

ok

[rain hinge]

i cannot imagine it taking less than at least a week

[stark cosmos]

well it took me idk 10 hours up to 15 hours. I was doing it 1-2 days

[rain hinge]

especially once things stop fitting on screen

right, that is just too fast

also what is those number elements marking the generation'

lol

[stark cosmos]

well the worst part is moving it off-scren. I also had to keep it sorted by the first letter otherwise it is super hard to check if you have it

[rain hinge]

ouch

so you have to physically move on average 500 elements to fit a new one in?

[stark cosmos]

and on top of that I had some elements already discovered so I couldn't just leave aside all newly discovered once.

[rain hinge]

right, these are problems i didnt have

in march

and it still took me about a week to do a similar workload

[stark cosmos]

i did all combinations for one element and leave aside the new ones on top, and then move them at once to leave space for the other element in queue

[rain hinge]

dont get it, may have to show

if you want them sorted you have to move 500 elements unless you leve comically large gaps between each one

1/85 loops completed for depth 5, remembering that each loop is longer than the last.... 💀

[stark cosmos]

yeah 1 element longer 😄

🫠 .

[rain hinge]

each loop a few minutes at present

i guess not that bad as it stands

but by the end each loop will take 3x as long as it does now

i guess if i kept that rate i could get it done in like, 2 days

but yeah i have tried strategies like keeping 20 elements, but i must not organise it right since i end up losing all the critical things or it being too messy to continue

[stark cosmos]

so here is how I did it. I kept new elements at the top, then when I am done with the element, I move the new ones left where I keep them sorted by the first letter. don't mind the other random elements, I didn't leave enough space for this showcase. also for some letters, there are way too many elements to fit in one column so I split it based on the first elements. like I had a whole separate column for "thunder" or "rainbow". and I also combined some letters together because they only had like 3 elements. for example ice, blizzard

[rain hinge]

i see, although the demo there only includes a b c and d

did that list never interfere with the combining space

especially since depth 4 list goes way way off screen

[stark cosmos]

yeah. I had like 11 columns going up and 11 going down.

[stark cosmos]

well all depths 0,1,2 were in one column, depth 3 in the second one, and then I had 3 columns for all depth 4 elements

wait now I am not sure if I had 4 or 3 for depth 4, but it fit all on screen and I had one column of free space

[rain hinge]

right, i mean i did fit all depths 0-4 in screen

[stark cosmos]

but if you don't want to store depth 5 on screen, you can just combine them and then delete them. I kept them on screen because I wanted to post them on discord when I was done

[rain hinge]

well i want to keep them so that i know what i got

if i dont keep them i may as well literally remove from my save

to go from this to symbols seems rought but yeah will have to wait

[stark cosmos]

i only have number symbols atm.

oh and also "/"

but only as in subreddits

r/country

and some underscores in my minecraft elements

[rain hinge]

minecraft underscore what

[stark cosmos]

oh and chinese/japanese kanji characters

[rain hinge]

hmm

i got up to House House

can i break out of normal stuff from there

[stark cosmos]

i don't remember now how I got out. but I think through human, then I got to scientist and then I got discovery, invention or smth which upgrades elements

also light is good

you can get enlightenment

which also sorta upgrades elements

you could get idea with it

human is depth 5

[rain hinge]

i see, well the cool thing is like you say keeping 20 elements but you need to have multiple sets of 20 elements for different parts you are exploring

like chararcters, mc, etc

[stark cosmos]

hm.. yeah i guess so. but I meant more like to escape the start

[stark cosmos]

niceee

[rain hinge]

How do you manage it rn, do you actually have different sets of elements on the board in different areas or do you just clear it and search the things you need when you want to change gears

[stark cosmos]

i make themed areas and over time just shift the board to an empty place. like if I think I still have a use for the theme I will keep it, but then when there is like 6+ of them I clear

usually

rn I have themed areas for "tag" then "unicode"/"alphabet" then "sign" and also for "castle"

like I will think of 2 themes. then I put all useful looking elements from one theme on board, then search for the other theme and like usually i will go through the elements and combine it with all of the ones I put on the board from the first theme

like duplicate 1 element from the second theme, combine with first theme, keep useful elements and repeat for the second element from the second theme

when it gets too messy I clean

[stark cosmos]

wtf

omg I got an emoji

[tardy kelp]

Niceeee

Don't forget to send lineage later if you wanna 😔

[hazy solstice]

"$", "$" ... cant wait to see fffd array soon

[stark cosmos]

i will when I get hashtag

it isn't straightforward to send a lineage. I have to delete all recipes for base elements because the lineage is going to be messed up otherwise

i mean takes like 60 seconds but still

also anyone can ask me to send a lineage for anything and I will. but i just don't want to send a lineage for everything every time

for that reason

[stark cosmos]

what does fffd mean? like U+fffd?

[stark cosmos]

oh and it is actually "＄", "＄" not $

and that makes me sad. I wanted normal dollar signs

[agile narwhal]

still waiting for my bounty:))

[stark cosmos]

that is what I am working on

also fake hashtag and dollars 😭 🫠

that is what I get for making unicode characters via the kanji strategy

[agile narwhal]

all full width lol, ig kanji does do that a lot

[stark cosmos]

wrong order and fake 😦

[agile narwhal]

oh damn

[stark cosmos]

normal on the right, fullwidth on the left

i think the hardest part is going to be making hashtag be first. it wants to go to the right

or maybe that was random

[agile narwhal]

# goes before $

bruh

[stark cosmos]

yeah but

......

[tardy kelp]

Lol you doing great

[agile narwhal]

imagine if he gets an undiscovered character with arrays

[stark cosmos]

idk I have some kanji so maybe one of them is undiscovered?

[agile narwhal]

cant wait for U+30000 and above on arrays

[harsh marlin]

never

[stark cosmos]

lol

[agile narwhal]

well i never asked for when it will happen

[stark cosmos]

that would be insane

[fresh marsh]

I think arrays are actually gonna find uses 👀

see if you can find tech to return the concatenation of the entries for example

and just for fun see what Spelled Backwards does to arrays lol

[stark cosmos]

one character off. I just can't get the normal hashtag on its own.

[velvet topaz]

not from base arrays

[stark cosmos]

got the at sign

stupid hastag : (

3 times : ((((

poo

[fresh marsh]

hmm could we use 2-entry arrays to get emojis from their names?

[stark cosmos]

yes

i think we could

[fresh marsh]

@rain hinge ^

[stark cosmos]

how does that help?

though

[fresh marsh]

some emojis are very tricky

so being able to access them by their names could be genuine tech

[restive iron]

you could access some of them through their name already

without the arrays

[stark cosmos]

yea that's what I was thinking, that this could just be a worse version of that

[stark cosmos]

diamonds for you
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j4wf8yejyzxhhdzyrqmthswd

[hazy solstice]

oh you got the fullwidth one .. I was thinking so but i thought itd be weird to get that before $ so went with $ instead of ＄

[rain hinge]

is that the letter I

[hazy solstice]

yes

[rain hinge]

it doesnt look like the letter i to me ngl

also nice in japanese? built or from base

oh wait is that chinese

i forgor

[hazy solstice]

this + fire, wind = 火, 風 and then just work from there

[rain hinge]

i have a lot of catch up to do then

still at depth 4

[agile narwhal]

I do wanna take a look at alfo's ArrayCraft save

[stark cosmos]

yeah?

[floral herald]

someone get star to run the program but for arraycraft

[agile narwhal]

yea just curious

[stark cosmos]

oooh, btw 94.5% of my elements are FD in my arraycraft savefile

[agile narwhal]

oh damn

[rain hinge]

oh did you make a save with those 4 starting

i started more depth 5 and got human

idk if i will go further

organising one column per letter is way too tedious

[stark cosmos]

yes I did.

[stark cosmos]

well that should allow you to make quicker progress

[agile narwhal]

someone optimise { "ASCII", "unicode" }

[stark cosmos]

i am not sure if it is worth it going for more depth 5

[stark cosmos]

yeah

i mean it could be optimised with my savefile.

it is just that infinibrowser uses the first saved recipe

[agile narwhal]

yeah im not about to do 700 steps lol

[stark cosmos]

someone should do like all up to 10 steps or smth

[agile narwhal]

10k elements wtf

[stark cosmos]

most are invalid though

[floral herald]

oh no

i reimported my old non-arraycraft file

and the pins are gone

[rain hinge]

hmm so you are going as fast as you were in the brute force but not brute forcing anymore? how

[floral herald]

wait thats weird

in the savefile it says the pins are still there

aljdlksajflasfd

[stark cosmos]

also imo the reason why it is so many steps is that when I want { "x", "y" } element and I have { "x", "a" } and { "b", "y" } elements, then I find a chain of elements that I combine together such that { "x", "a" } + { "a", "c" } + { "c", "d" } + ... + { "g", "b" } + { "b", "y" } = { "x", "y" } and so now the recipe require all of those to be made.

[rain hinge]

are those placeholders? may i see loose example

[stark cosmos]

yep placeholders

[stark cosmos]

k wait a minute

[rain hinge]

ok

i think i get it but i want to see

[floral herald]

nbm its back

[stark cosmos]

and like if you do this often, then you will most likely find a chain

[rain hinge]

i see so you are trying to somehow get over to a, b + b, c

[stark cosmos]

yep

you have to do them in the correct order too because sometimes it would make 3-element or 4-element arrays

and sometimes the chain isn't possible so you have to find a new one

but like if you find a chain to a common element, then you can pretty much make a chain through any other common element, so it gets easy pretty quickly

[rain hinge]

hmm, id like to learn the principles and ideas and patterns you picked up for that but cool

[stark cosmos]

and if you don't have a chain, then you just combine one of the ends with random stuff until you get it

[hazy solstice]

umlauts

[rain hinge]

oh damn lists

yeah i wish mine didnt get eaten but i guess this works too

stuff like .a, .b, .c etc

[hazy solstice]

lol

itd be funny if this actually worked and i just had korean arraycraft

[rain hinge]

3 items 😬

i throw away anything 3+ items

[rain hinge]

hmm, plant human is not getting me far

making more plants

ah no i am kinda getting somewhere? like i got farmer

and judge

idk what the recommended path was

although without known recipes that work im not too sure if i would be able to take it to unicode and exotic stuff

not on my own anyway

like id try browser recipe and see it not work and then be like welp

[floral herald]

wait

do you have posieond

[rain hinge]

no

[stark cosmos]

i do

in 9 elements

but the recipe requires water

or a trident

or a god

like i don't have any random poseidons

[rain hinge]

ok give me a goal element i should make in order to escape to exotic things

i got a few preofessions now

lumberjack, judge, fireman, farmer

[dawn nova]

pirate, burger

[rain hinge]

you reckon that will let me get out of basic land

[dawn nova]

idk ive never used these arrays i just said something random

[rain hinge]

ha

[stark cosmos]

light and then enlightenment

[rain hinge]

hmm....

[stark cosmos]

is the best imo

like you can get that easily

i hope

[rain hinge]

i can try with something like sun i guess

[dawn nova]

what if ur name was rubiksphysics instead of rubiksmath

i think the zombie apocalypse would happen

we would all die

[rain hinge]

then youd alrady be dead, so you better be grateful that it isnt

[stark cosmos]

fire sun human plant tree wood could work

[rain hinge]

i have rain sun and rainbow sun

[stark cosmos]

oh also

you could get fire, human like you already have plant, human, so just get fire, plant or smth and make that

[rain hinge]

although tbf i would have had to keep everything if i wanted that

um, i can try

right like i need to develop the intuition for the chains you make

[stark cosmos]

oh also lightning or thunder could help with getting light

well it is not really intuition. I just kinda bruteforce it

[rain hinge]

you do make it seem simple but youve had loads of prac, even tho i get the toery if you throw me in and ask me to make a chain i wouldnt know what to do since i havent done it yet

[stark cosmos]

also it is easier to make chains that are in alphabetical order

[dawn nova]

maybe u can make electrician and then get lightbulb somehow

[stark cosmos]

well you need to find a, b + b, c + c, d = a, d

but i am not sure how viable that is since you probably don't have many elements

but as I said, try to get fire, human or smth

just combine human with random lightning or fire, wind, etc.

or storm

when you get more human elements, it becomes more likely you'll get what you want

[rain hinge]

yeah right, i mean i have a couple hundred on the board but thats still "not many" which is why idk about this 20 element thing but anyway ill try

i have rain sunlight

my setup is a mess not at all brute force

i cant brute force all like 200 things on my board

[stark cosmos]

that sounds good

[rain hinge]

ok

got light day

nice

wait but hm

[stark cosmos]

i looked at the recipes and I also used stuff like truth to get enlightenment. so maybe you can utilize your judge and also god to get sin and then truth or smth like that. but maybe you can skip that and use other stuff to get that

[rain hinge]

whats the point of doing a, b + b, c + c, d if you already have d anyway

[stark cosmos]

to get a, d combo

[rain hinge]

right but why would i want that over just anything with d in it

also

totally a prompt thing

steak and poseidon are prompt results

rn im finding it hard to think logically im kinda just randmo spam almost

its not that but its not much more ordered

[stark cosmos]

like let's say you have "dark", "forest" and you also have "forest", "country", and "country", "lord", you could get "dark", "lord" and then star wars from that. I doubt you could get it from the edge elements on their own. and if you combine them together it would make like "dark", "forest", "country", "lord" (4-el array)

[rain hinge]

i see

[stark cosmos]

or just for awwm

[rain hinge]

i dont see any current places i could try that but im not tuned in to that thinkig yet

not getting out of judge rn

ah

truth zeus

hmm now what

paper and book would be nice...

ah apple knowledge

[stark cosmos]

ooh

is it good?

[rain hinge]

maybe?

[stark cosmos]

maybe try getting human, knowledge?

[rain hinge]

im trying but i cant get it to do anything other than become adam and eve basically

[stark cosmos]

oh yeah. the apple curse

hm.. try combining it with eve and adam to maybe get something else?

[rain hinge]

yeah i have like, sin and forbidden and all that

also "original" "sin"

original could do something

[stark cosmos]

ooh original?

that is cool

[rain hinge]

here we go

this is original...

i think im out of stage 1

lost all organisation apart from depth0-4 just chilling still

hmm, so i have some things with original, but i need books and stuff i think

oh here we go

art it looks like is coming up

[stark cosmos]

ooo

and I just realised I had blood, type so I got these

[rain hinge]

all the base elements are so far away now

aa

damn you tacked on the type real easy

[stark cosmos]

yeah I just used that strategy and got these in like 2 mins

also I wonder if anyone got "ground". I don't have it yet

[rain hinge]

i mean, doesnt it require you to actually have chainable elements

i really want to use this tech

[stark cosmos]

yes, but I have loads

[rain hinge]

but i like, dont have anything to usei t with

[stark cosmos]

well when you get more elements it becomes more viable

but like for example these are all I had blood at the end

and only "ruby" and "russian" worked

[rain hinge]

this isnt the way i wanted to go..

[stark cosmos]

but luckily I had like lava, ruby and judge, ruby

[stark cosmos]

hm... 😄 you know what blow, blow + woman, wife is ?

it is what you'd think

[rain hinge]

wait worked for what

so you got ruby type

and russion type

is that right

[stark cosmos]

yes

and the judge, type

and luckilly I have a lot of elements with judge from early game

[rain hinge]

right, so like replacing first one

fair

how close should i be to the depth 0-4 stuff

and other little pockets

it gets cramped so fast

[stark cosmos]

idk depends on what you want to combine

[stark cosmos]

i don't really combine with 0-5 depth items. only when I want to reverse the order or I want to make { "x", "y" } -> { "x", "x" } or { "y", "y" }

omg I just realised I have "dark", "side". I could probably use this to get like edge line and point and then period

ok it doesn't want to leave the side when combining

[rain hinge]

huh how does dark side help

[rain hinge]

I mean like, you had a few different pockets right? How are they arranged (if it’s possible to show)

I’m kinda scared to clear my depth 0/4

[stark cosmos]

it is one click away

[rain hinge]

Even tho it takes so much soace

[stark cosmos]

randomly

[rain hinge]

Hmm where’s the actual play area then

no space between

[stark cosmos]

well i moved from left to the right

when I combe back I clear some of them for space

if there is none

but I usually leave one column of space where the junk that I combined is

to the left I have morse - I tried getting line / dot, the I have ogre/dwarf/swamp - tried to get shrek, and to the top right I have side

like i'd love to get like "square", "side", but I only have square as the second element

[rain hinge]

You able to show me a sample of how you combine things in normal gameplay when working in one of those specific areas? it looks 500x more efficient than me but now I need the execution

Sorry

[stark cosmos]

hm ok sure

[rain hinge]

hopefully I’ll be fine from here

Can’t play rn I’m going to bed soon

[craggy bough]

Oops

[lunar bramble]

you should've released earlier man

[stark cosmos]

I noticed I can do "triangle", "side", so I did it. then I tried combining "triangle", "side" with morse stuff to get line/dot. i don't usually move the elements across like this, but they were only 2 and I didn't feel like searching for them.

[craggy bough]

Would've been hard considering I found it about 5 mins ago

[lunar bramble]

lol

[restive iron]

nice one

[lunar bramble]

@restive iron can you give lineage for {"fire", "fire"} and {"wind", "wind"} without prepend 'alphabet' if thats possible

[restive iron]

not home atm

[lunar bramble]

who can i ask

[restive iron]

idk

[craggy bough]

Need to go out for a bit, but I'll make a full route when I get back home, should be around 50-60 steps, I think.

[timber grove]

Too lazy to find observe option on mobile to stay here, ignore me I need to evolve

[rain hinge]

When was )’ found

[timber grove]

"alphabet use???? Is "alphabet is just 26 tries to append "

[rain hinge]

Wish you recorded making it although it probably took days - but like I don’t know how to even start, like how do you not just start string building normally

[craggy bough]

Don't know when it was discovered, but I found it same day I made that: #1226511876733669436 message

[rain hinge]

Every step is like perfect though I would have so badly liked to see it, the luck factor on every step is kind of absurd which means you must have tried like so many options

[craggy bough]

I think It took me about 30mins-40mins after I saw this lineage: #1226724619290148917 message

[rain hinge]

Like there is zero reason a single one of those steps should work apart from the z"

period is also way too deep like I have to see one of these eventually

[rain hinge]

It took me about an hour to dissect this lineage and get the things I didn’t have just to get close to 500 steps of optimisation

there’s not even a hint of anything used there in what you made

[craggy bough]

Some of those 30-40 mins were spent on this version as well

There should be a "a next to String[][]

[rain hinge]

string array theory what - but yeah plz I must see one day if possible, all of that is too deep it should take months

like why did you use mismatched quotes

an exploration of a single quote type or method would take me well over a day

and I wouldn’t get anything nearly as exhaustive

But why minus and full stop there

And more importantly why did it work

[timber grove]

Elements with one " at the end or beggining have tendency to go into full quotes at least sometimes

From my observations

[rain hinge]

Yes

I know that

but I’d at least start with "string" or "new "

[lunar bramble]

same

[rain hinge]

do we have good recipes for inversion or transpose

I don’t remember any particularly good ones

[timber grove]

Inversion isn't something around 17? Or I am mistaken

I might have false memories of reality

[valid tartan]

Guys will there any other "array generator" than "new String[][] {"

[timber grove]

I might have some idea

[valid tartan]

I wanna try for some easier fire,fire

[timber grove]

But it's probably worse than what we have

[rain hinge]

Maybe but idk where it is

[timber grove]

Yeah That might been inverted as I look at my old savefile

[rain hinge]

hm I just don’t remember

[velvet topaz]

new String[] {, new Object[] { and new Object[][] {
exist too but idk how well they work

[stark cosmos]

i didn't notice it when I made it, but it split carpal into car and pal

[valid tartan]

Wait can you give me lineage of those

[stark cosmos]

Yo, I found game.

what does this meaaaaan? why is it a bad idea????

[craggy bough]

46-step new String[][] {: #1226511876733669436 message

[velvet topaz]

When I saw that killerbowser made the alive version, I was like "nahhh I'm gonna have to make all this shit like string.append(" { ")" when I had the dead version lol

[craggy bough]

3D?

Also dead

[velvet topaz]

whats the first one's recipe

[craggy bough]

"the String[ ]" + String[][] = String[][][]

Both in the 46-step

4D? lol

[velvet topaz]

When you realise you're doing a lineage where basically at the end it makes your FD 😭 so you just made a bunch of elements for nothing lol

SINCE WHEN

WHEN

triple one

[agile narwhal]

New array craft

[velvet topaz]

Could this be useful?

[tardy kelp]

😍😍

[rain hinge]

I tried so hard to add a third bracket but couldn’t do it even with appends

[velvet topaz]

._.

[lunar bramble]

R

[lunar bramble]

helium

[valid tartan]

Kite kite kite kite kite kite kite kite kite kite kite

[hazy solstice]

test test test test test

[valid tartan]

I love the way how {{{{…{{{{ is not fd

[craggy bough]

This might work to make threes consistently

[valid tartan]

Can you optimise ")"

Or maybe im missing it

[craggy bough]

It's in the Alphabets & Related tab in the optimisheet

[lunar bramble]

is it possible to reach all base elements from first step

?

[craggy bough]

It's also in the 46-step new String[][] { in the reply

[craggy bough]

From first step?

[lunar bramble]

like {"test", "test"}

[craggy bough]

Not sure what you're asking

To use #fire and other base elements to get the base elements in arrays? If so, no

[lunar bramble]

to use {"test", "test"} to get all base element arrays.

[harsh marlin]

any revives?

[rain hinge]

how to add more dimensions

I can’t add it

[craggy bough]

Maybe, idk

[craggy bough]

You mean adding more brackets after string?

[craggy bough]

Better { "a", "b" }

[lunar bramble]

does this look useful?

[craggy bough]

This might be a decent entry into base element arrays

[rain hinge]

How was it revived? (Or was it already)

[craggy bough]

"ab", "ba" was alive

[rain hinge]

Got it

[rain hinge]

Yeah

[craggy bough]

Like that

Decent "water", "water" with Flare, Snow and #heat

[hazy solstice]

cutoff 😒

[craggy bough]

Decent #heat for the 46-step

[rain hinge]

How about 4 brackets

[craggy bough]

Same thing

69-step { "water", "water" } : #1226511876733669436 message

Time to slip 💤

[stark cosmos]

yay

[velvet topaz]

apparently I had the alive version

wait nvm thats double {}

this exists tho

[hazy solstice]

i have the alive version but it isnt my fd either

[velvet topaz]

Are there quick ways to go from water array to other starter elements array?

[unkempt girder]

Hope this helps

I know it doesn't

[stark cosmos]

finally found time ("time" not yet)

[timber grove]

is this your fameous arrey

[timber grove]

dead for now

[rain hinge]

yeah i got these things with square bracketed arrays

[timber grove]

https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j4zh8b8tsezwbm94nbmwabb6 if someone want it

[hazy solstice]

too bad it does literally nothing...

[timber grove]

it exist that's something

[rain hinge]

what about new Map()/[]/{}/etc

[timber grove]

idk if it;s nothing

that;s stupid

but its smothing?

[rain hinge]

pre move del?

lol

[timber grove]

i just use random elements

[timber grove]

better ab and cd?

idk

[rain hinge]

i guess yeah

[hazy solstice]

i believe eisern already posted the ab, ba find & a, b in one less step (delete gives it) although i dont recall seeing c, d

[restive iron]

i don’t think cd was posted either but that cuts out array.split entirely

[valid tartan]

Actually that helped me

[stark cosmos]

I found the alphabet

I have fd on "a", "a" in my main savefile

[tardy kelp]

Nice

[stark cosmos]

used these to make it

[heady sedge]

are there any uses for arrays

[hazy solstice]

no

[heady sedge]

exquisite

[stark cosmos]

is there any use for anything in this game? no

[heady sedge]

damn

suddenly so deep

[stark cosmos]

yeah but is it useful if the items it makes are not useful?

i meant something different that what you mean.

[hazy solstice]

there an item with high amount of use and gives other useful items

You literally cannot argue that Earth doesnt give useful items

[stark cosmos]

i am not continuing this conversation. I was talking about something else

[rain hinge]

damn , im still stuck with original

need paper or book probably

still a long long way before i get to anything even remotely like that

[stark cosmos]

yea

so did you try combining your human with the other elements?

[rain hinge]

well i cleared them, so i have human human and things like judge judge etc

[agile prairie]

Do we have tripple array starter elements?

[velvet topaz]

first one is water water + wind wind

[rain hinge]

Ye

[stark cosmos]

the alphabet is very useful

[agile narwhal]

the alphabet gotten with base elements?

[stark cosmos]

I was able to get only a, c, d, f, g, m, n, o, p, t, z and then some combinations of letters as well

i didn't try much for the letters from the 2nd half

like I combined "first", "first + "alphabet", "alphabet" basically to get "a", "a". and also with the other letters, except for "z", that one wasn't 26th

[agile narwhal]

i see

[stark cosmos]

aha

[tardy kelp]

Nicee

I got some fd mythology things

[velvet topaz]

forgot I had these

oh just revived my Object one (was <Object>)

[stark cosmos]

can someone please revive these?

[velvet topaz]

On
a b array can you append b/q and then delete the first letter?

[stark cosmos]

well I tried a bit but it didn't work

also tried next alphabet

it does this

[hazy solstice]

oddity ..,,

b, b revived

[stark cosmos]

thx

btw this is my progress on the alphabet (made from base)

"key", "word" is quite useful for making random new words from two different 1/2-letter strings

[hazy solstice]

it is taunting again

[stark cosmos]

oo

can you like delete last char or smth?

or does that not work

[stark cosmos]

finally. I found "period"

oh. and these. But I still want opposite / reverse / antonym

[rain hinge]

hmm quotable... let me look through your 473 step lineage for new string again

[rain hinge]

ah damn you got these and unicodes but not reverse? logic?

[stark cosmos]

well it is not easy

[velvet topaz]

I hate earth
(right + top = left)