lore-chat

[feral swallow]

The greed from the bible

Lmaoooooo

Oooooo

Ok so I know how dd is a lawyer and he's blind but how does he have hellfire and stuff

[stray flower]

A shame nobody answered, it's Defense but like not really, Marvel has a thing where both sides are usually "good" but with different ideologies, though even then there is still one morally higher (season 1 Defense wants the montessi formula to kill Dracula even if it costs the innocents that were turned, not evil but morally dubios), here, Defense are trying to stop the Kingpin deal which is likely to thwart Kingpin for good reason, but the deal is A: for the safety of Manhattan and B: an undercover operation by Black Cat and Spidey to free the heroes in jail so we want Offrnde to win if we talking lore wise

[lyric briar]

There are some maps where one side is evil. Klyntar has Knull awakening and Yggsgard has Loki having all the chrono sap. The last one may not be evil.

[worn lichen]

it's like when he was possessed by the Beast during Shadowland, except this time he's defeated the Beast and is controlling it

[stray flower]

Klyntar has Knull Awakening but the players themselves are both good, one side is trying to stop the energy from reaching it in an attempt to prevent the Awakening the other is trying to use it to directly destroy Knull/The Essence as like a bomb, Yggsgard is very much the big exception because Loki, though I think in K'un Lun Awakening Shou Lou is not ideal and in the museum Defense is literally just Elsa so it's a "Does she let them go in the end" situation

[worn canopy]

deadpool in fishnets

[manic barn]

Mm.. yummy.

[plucky eagle]

very tuff secret

[hollow berry]

[silent rune]

what.

[obtuse rain]

Hey 👋 Terry what's up with ya

[river ruin]

would anyone like to join my faction? we are 11/12 and will be signing up for the tournament today! we have an active discord as well and are doing scrims soon.

[charred cape]

[quasi heron]

I legit still do not get it. What. THE HELL. Does Kingpin have with him to get everyone hiding?

[worn lichen]

they're hiding because he's arresting heroes, simple as that

he's got SHIELD on his side for some reason and he's got power inhibitor collars

[quasi heron]

Ah, so as per usual, the government body is hyper competent only when facing the heroes. SHIELD can't sniff out Hydra for decades, but the second Kingpin's leading them, they can beat the tar out of Adam fricking Warlock

[worn lichen]

yeah its just a really weird choice for them to have adam warlock in the prison lol

[hollow berry]

[glad rapids]

guys why does everyone always talk abt lord characters if champion is the best?? like how come people flex abt being lord if champion is better

[worn lichen]

lord used to be the highest before they expanded the proficiency rewards so probably because of that

[hollow berry]

[glad rapids]

what ranks give you boosts

[glad bear]

[quaint onyx]

[thick pebble]

uh

[drifting storm]

[lyric hatch]

Stop

[maiden jackal]

Could someone tell me if the game's lore is better/more complete by following the game or the comics separately?

[ornate rock]

The game has its own comic that follows the events of the season. Treat the games as it’s own separate lore from any mainstream/mainline continuities

[bright delta]

[rough pond]

Did Spidey clap Gwen first before going to MJ?? Also how much y'all betting Spidey claps blackcat too before MJ.

BEFORE MJ is important

[onyx shuttle]

As he should tbh

[maiden jackal]

Yeah i mean, Do the game's comics have to be followed to understand everything that happens in the lore?

[simple storm]

Not really, the rivals infinity comics sometimes does its own thing but nothing so important has come up that’s necessary. The gallery cards and hero stories in game are enough to get the general vibe

Is Hood’s patron oblivion? Does that mean he won’t be ghost rider? Because I don’t want him to be

[worn lichen]

i dont think there's even a tiny chance that they make the Hood also Ghost Rider just because he was a Ghost Rider for 5 minutes in a recent comic

[white moss]

[rapid bay]

No, they don’t contribute to the lore at all and are their own completely separate (and contradictory) stories to the game

[versed flame]

[craggy citrus]

What is the lore of the game, how they came to fight on another on teams of 6

[simple storm]

Depends on the map/story for example on the season 1 vampire New York maps both offence teams are trying to cure everyone where both defence teams are trying to use the montesi formula to kill all vampires

[craggy citrus]

Every season lore?

[barren dragon]

Basic lore is that 2 dooms are fighting across time, and by doing so they are messing up the time streams so heros and villains are scattered throughout time, fighting each other

[worn lichen]

they fight on teams of 6 because it's a video game, same reason that the strongest characters lore-wise dont instantly win the match when you pick them

[barren dragon]

Thats pretty much season 0, how it started, and each new season focuses on a specific time stream

[kind yarrow]

Any tips on lording Hawkeye?

[undone dust]

Annihilation mode is a good mode to get alot of dps damage that should be able help

[kind yarrow]

O I meant like getting better with him

[hot steppe]

hi

[pulsar linden]

So apparently namor has like a thing for sue in one of the universes?

[crystal epoch]

Ngl I hope black cat get a kind of hulk like ultimate

[twin patio]

not rivals related but I just had a crazy theory for Doomsday..
In OG Avengers we see Tony’s dream of all the avengers dead. In Multiverse of Madness it’s stated that dreams are glimpses of our lives in alternate universes. What if the universe Tony saw was the universe he was doom and killed the avengers

[halcyon robin]

Yes! The main timeline, along with others as well. However, theres a misconception that Sue reciprocates these feelings, which she very much does not

[sleek cliff]

Yep

[lyric briar]

Why does Namor have a thing for Sue and Emma? Its not that they are both blondes because he doesn’t have thing for Tandy who is a blonde. Emma and Sue seem to have very different personalities l.

[paper raft]

Guys are there any available codes rn to use?

[fast summit]

hi

[robust orchid]

[rough pond]

worse one was ultimate universe.. author is a straight up weirdo along with other things he did

[pulsar linden]

Fr I saw bits of that one 😭

[simple storm]

Do you think the season 4 tournament was “delayed” because they didn’t have enough time to make a second map that would’ve tied in to the story and might continue when they find the window to release it

[sleek cliff]

Check ur dms

[marble oriole]

Watch it be next year

That groot armor concept looks sick tho

Might be the first skin that makes me stop using yggroot

[worn lichen]

i just learned yesterday that the current story in the infinity comics with parker robbins are 100% canon to rivals unlike the previous stories

[rapid bay]

Isn’t the Lizard in the comic but Kurt Connors can be seen without an arm?

[worn lichen]

there is indeed a portrait of connors

as its a portrait, it has the ability to depict him as he looked in the past

[pulsar linden]

Oop okay!

[sleek cliff]

U didn't come to dms tho lol

[flint orchid]

Oop

[echo hare]

Hi

[kind mantle]

hi

[severe river]

Hey really hope anyone can just tell me if I am correct or not about the world of marvel rivals

Tell me if I am wrong basically in marvel rivals doom fought with his 2099 counterpart and caused the timestream entanglement which merged 4 separate universes into a single universe or timeline(unstable) where it is not 616 or the mcu and is a normal 616 adjacent marvel universe with heroes from those 4 timelines being the main heroes of this universe who are trying to navigate there way through this universe traveling across the world(modern and supernatural) universe(cosmic) and time(2099) to stop the dooms and save there new universe and the rest of the multiverse correct?

[brittle blaze]

Its part of it, each of the seasons villains also tie into the heroes trying to fix the time stream entanglement with Galacta guiding them, but you got more or less the basics

[severe river]

So it is a singular timestream in a single marvel universe created from the 4 different timelines

Also thanks

[brittle blaze]

Yeah its like, if you ever watched the Loki tv show, imagine if the different timelines from where those Loki's came from and collided into one singular timeline making essentialy a whole new timeline from those 4 original ones. To some people nothing changed and they're in their original respective area during the entanglement but to others its like they got ripped from their timeline and put into this one

[severe river]

Ok thanks for the confirmation

[brittle blaze]

No prob, also if you have the pages/collectables from the seasons they go more in depth if you wanna find out more

[rapid bay]

There’s four separate main timelines, called Chronoverses
There is travel between these Chronoverses but they do not fall on the same timeline at all. There is the Present Day (2024/2026), Future (2099/2101), Mosaic, and Collapsing

@severe river the reply didn’t work sorry

The Present Day Chronoverse is very similar to 616 but it doesn’t have a numerical designation
The Future is not the future of the Present but an alternate timeline just set in 2099 (2101 now).

The Mosaic is exactly what it sounds like. Its a group of timelines that were squished together by the Entanglement into one

The Collapsing Chronoverse is one that was basically shattered by the Entanglement, with the only thing holding it together being the Scarlet Witch

There are other timelines outside of the Four like the Zombies timeline, an animal timeline (in Deadpool’s lore), and where Jeff came from which we don’t know a lot about

[devout island]

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[charred cape]

[stray flower]

A. wrong chat. B. Everyday? either something is horribly wrong with whaever system they are using, or your comms arent "normal" either way, there are better places to check

back to our regularly schedules discussion

Collapsing Timeline: How stable is it now with Wanda frequently leaving for combat and aid in the other realities, seeing as she was relevant in all 3 of the early seasons (searching for the Darkhold in season 1, a visitor and child of magneto in season 2, and part of the plan to swap Phoenix in season 3) she was busy until the return to the Collapsing Universe in season 4

[worn lichen]

not to mention the incursions starting to happen now with all the timeline hopping

[severe river]

Look so am I right or wrong

I just want to make sure it’s correct where basically just the 4 main timelines merged into a single universe with the heroes of those 4 timelines becoming the main heroes of that universe some are in the deep multiverse others are in this universe but it is just a marvel universe with 2099 being in the future or being the confirmed future of the present the collapsing timelines mystical locations merged into there locations on the present day earth and finally the mosaic timeline becoming the deep space of this universe and the present timeline being the main present day earth of this universe so stuff like time traveling to get to 2099 is needed it’s basically a marvel universe but with hero’s from across the multiverse

[devout island]

Sc

[severe river]

I know that 2099 isn’t the actual future but every future timeline is a possible future so them picking this is kind of like confirming the actual future also the fact they have to time travel to 2099 by using krakoan gateway or spiderverse portals to reach 2099 and it’s kind of a mix of interdimensional travel but also mostly time travel

[rough pond]

From what I know tho is there's not just 4 timeline that tangled or merged

Since Psy and Venom is unknown and the skins are actually from other timeline Soo it's really a multiple timeline that tangled together

But yeah there's 4 main rn that they're focusing

[olive phoenix]

Yo no one unlocked the last few gallery cards yet right, like it's not attainable yet

[severe river]

No it’s really just 4 timelines the reason why psylock is in this universe is because Deadpool kidnapped her and her dog and took her to the collector before her universe was destroyed being confirmed in season 6 while venoms universe was also destroyed and was pulled into this new universe becoming the main venom of that universe and same idea with psylock

[rough pond]

Didn't they said the skins are all Canon so basically if u pick punisher peach momoko days skin (psylocke timeline) it basically tells you that different timeline exist in this entanglement just not explored yet like Jeff story. Hela 1872.
So that's why I concluded that those timeline where skins came from is Canon and rivals did a great job making that sh interesting cuz ur basically playing as for example 1872 Hela that got entangled in 2099 Tokyo. ( If u play Hela 1872 skin in Tokyo map)
But yeah just correct me if I'm wrong, skins are my main reason why I believe not just 4 timelines are affected by entanglement. Maybe mythic skins would feature a real different voicelines. But yeah just my head canon base on what I see, watched, read.

[severe river]

Look u are not wrong about the whole skins being variants but I believe in lore galacta pulls them from across the multiverse to this universe to fight then after the fight they either are sent back to there original timelines or if destroyed thrown into the deep multiverse unless they are a resident of one of the 4 timelines like peni and spider-man there is still a wider multiverse out there but its just the 4 timelines that merged into a single new universe with the new base design heroes and the main or only heroes fighting across this new universe to defeat both dooms

And maybe the punisher peach momoko skin is a variant that survived and is traveling the different universe away from this main one since his gun is displayed in the collectors museum and the collector only collects beings from his timeline(the rivals timeline) or destroyed or dying universes

Jeff is likely from the present like Deadpool

[stray flower]

The Collector is collecting from all Timelines post Entanglement, he grabbed Psy directly from Peach Momoko, Mantis from Mosaic and Jeff from wherever he and Deadpool are from (implied to be Present) again, it's not just one timeline now, there is travel between the 4 Chronoverses but they aren't directly mixing (until now with the Incursions) Peni Parker from 2099 still had May Parker as her aunt even though Pete from the main timeline has his Aunt May, Cap from the Present Timeline perished in combat and the one in game was just not thawed until 2099, Capwolf, Man-Spider and the other Collector's Collection skins also prove that he collected from any and all Chronoverses he encountered

Oh, and Present timeline Wakanda still exists I think

[simple storm]

When do you think they’ll follow though with the Apocalypse stuff they teased since season 0? Year 3?

[stray flower]

Probably, Year 2 is entirely focused around Doomsday chaos and likely although the seasons will still have their own things, they won't have any major lore changing events not directly tied to the corresponding movie event, we still might have things like returning to Yggsgard or the Hellfire Gala though, and then once the Doomsday chaos is over they might try doing big lore events again

[kind ginkgo]

apocalypse was teased?? that’s so peak. i’d love a whole year dedicated to him. imagine he makes horsemen out of new non x-men characters and we get skins. i know there have been some who aren’t x-men universe that have been horsemen but new ones would be great

[worn lichen]

yeah via moon knight and magik's interactions, Apocalypse is warring with the gods in the collapsing timeline, Magik is on the side of Apocalypse and MK is against

[simple storm]

I thought about this too, original skins would be cool like:
Magik-War
Namor-Pestilence
Blade-famine
death-cyclops

[chilly nacelle]

If the story is like mcu with a main vilain build up and upcoming teased villains in the back whos gonna be the next after Doom.
Im voting Loki cause hes already planned twice in the back.

[copper wraith]

Captain Underpants is not in the game yet because he's to busy fighting crime...

[worn lichen]

Marvel Rivals executive producer says ‘Path To Doomsday’ will be their take on what happens from ‘THE AVENGERS’ to ‘AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY’

“Loki is the center of it—we have our own version of Loki in the game, and he will be the key character that’s going link all these events together.”

[chilly nacelle]

isnt that reffering to the mcu events or the lore story

[worn lichen]

we have our own version of Loki in the game, and he will be the key character that’s going link all these events together.

they are talking about marvel rivals and the story behind path to doomsday in rivals yes

[simple storm]

So probably like the zombies event where it’ll be inspired by shows/movies but have its own plot

[echo lily]

We need ghost rider

[round vault]

Who are the next season heroes any idea?

[simple storm]

Cyclops and devil Dino (with maybe moon girl)

[lavish hamlet]

Its not a maybe devil dinosaur always comes with moon girl

Its kind of like cloak with no dagger

[simple storm]

I hope so but so far no hints for her and I am worried about the possibility of a moon girl-less devil Dino

[finite spruce]

Let's settle it right now who's the hardest character in the game spidey or BP? React to vote

11 15 🔥 7

[wise drift]

i think black panther

[simple storm]

This is semi related to lore but I sifted through practically over 1000 of possible characters that could be added and realised the amount of time it’d take to add who i considered the most sensible picks (although admittedly subjective) would take at least 6 years probably. But then I had a list of characters I know people were either begging for or are generally characters Netease might consider adding and estimately adds another 10 years, so it’d take nearly around 10-16 years to get all the characters most people want but even then it’s likely someone will have been missed out for one reason or another

[stray flower]

This is what people mean by saying Rivals doesn't have to worry about running out of characters, but there is of course the issue of overlapping ability sets

[simple storm]

I took that into account too where I categorised certain characters as “lower priority” depending on their kit

[stray flower]

Red Hulk what could they ever do with you

[simple storm]

Everyone’s going to have their own bias, x-men fans want mostly x-men characters; spider-man fans want only spider-man characters; casual/mcu fans just want characters they’ve seen. I personally want a mix of everything but am admittedly biased towards spider-man and against x-men but I didn’t exclude x-men from the “obvious/sensible” category as i know they’re heavily requested

[waxen turret]

Jus finished xmen97 again. Man it was so good

[chilly nacelle]

damn share the list i wanna see the possibility of who i want is sooner or later

[simple storm]

It’s a tier list, it was categorised by who I think could reasonably be added (with some personal bias in terms of some picks) and a tier below that being a much larger tier of characters that either I know people want or characters I can generally see being added but unsure/less “obvious” compared to the tier above. The largest pile are just everyone else I rejected because either too obscure or some civilian. There was about 1500 images but even then there were still some characters that might’ve been missing

[untold helm]

Anyone got this season's final Gallery Card? If so, can anyone tell me what's coming next.

[worn lichen]

• Jean and Rogue are sitting together talking about stuff, Jean remarks that Cyclops feels close by as a pulse of red energy emanates from the top of the Alchemax building
• Cyclops' glasses and a Devil Dinosaur plush are sitting on a shelf next to them
• A mysterious figure on a rooftop in the distance is watching them. They have glowing red eyes, white spiky hair like Rogue's hair, and they're wearing an outfit that looks like Emma's X-Revolution outfit. This person has the same brain patterns as Rogue, meaning most likely either that this is a variant of Rogue from a different universe, or it's a clone of Rogue

[untold helm]

Thanks. Because i refused to buy the pass, i'm still locked on Page 9.

[worn lichen]

you wouldve had to have bought the upgraded pass that gives you extra chronotokens to have gotten to it by now, as I haven't unlocked it either yet, but you can read it on websites like the rivals wiki

[spring gust]

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[frail silo]

Dropping my lore be ready

[sweet thorn]

@full pawn hey you should add me I think it's something you should know ig

[tepid swift]

hello

[obsidian frigate]

who is knull?? And can anyone give me a brief summary of the lore behind the season we are currently in/going into?

[rapid bay]

Knull is the God of Symbiotes and the King in Black
The King in Black is an important cosmological title. It is a role that keeps balance in the multiverse with the Kings in White, also known as the Beyonders

He created the symbiotes, the first being his sword All-Black the Necrosword
After he made tons of other symbiotes, they turned against him and imprisoned him on the homeworld of Klyntar

This season revolves around Mayor Kingpin and an Incursion between the Present and Future (2101) Chronoverses

Something Alchemax did caused the Incursion, transforming Alchemax Tower and parts of Lower Manhattan into their future counterparts

Mayor Fisk makes a deal with the Gilded Saint (patron god of the Thieves Guild) to retrieve the Tablet of Life and Time
Fisk hires Black Cat to steal it from the Sanctum Sanctorum

[obsidian frigate]

ahhh tyyy

[marble merlin]

Magik was 6 years old when she met Kitty pryde who was 14 and she was illyana’s babysitter stop shipping them please 🙏

[spark turret]

wtf do you mean Kingpin had Dracula imprisoned didn’t he disintegrate?

[stray flower]

Attack won the battles, he got sealed not killed

More accurately, when they broke through and defeated him returning the daylight he retreated to his own coffin and got sealed

[neon elk]

hey question. who runs alchemax 2099 anyways?

[stray flower]

I believe the 2099 Green Goblin but I don't think it's been stated

[chilly nacelle]

Damn so these pve modes are gonna be canon lore that’s gonna be even more to learn. They’re turning this into comics having to play PvP PVE, and events to learn the whole thing

[simple storm]

I do think it’s very cool they’re revisiting past storylines in the middle of some seasons, I imagine they’re eventually going to do the same for the tournament then

Although maybe more so because people really wanted zombies back

[chilly nacelle]

I hope the tournament isn’t some pve mode or event and gets its full season but a tournament like 1v1 event doesn’t sound so bad

[sharp yoke]

So from my vague understanding of the Norn stones, they grant their wielder’s wishes, right. So does that mean Dracula wished upon a star for his Empire’s return and a magic space rock let him become a real boy Emperor

[velvet belfry]

in the comics dracula actually on heroes side... hope rivals do that too!

[vast bay]

hi

[tall prairie]

make dracula playable vro...

[simple storm]

I could name at LEAST 30 characters I’d want playable before Dracula

[tall prairie]

Why couldn’t Dracula be one of them

he deserves to be playable

[severe river]

Thanks

[velvet belfry]

lmfao

[stray flower]

I am a bit disappointed that the Dracula PvE does not use the characters who were canonically hunting vampires during eternal night, but hey, at least we get some fun chaos

I really wanted to see the Eternity Knights in action since they are such an interesting group of characters, it could have shown interactions between them to see why they are acting together

[simple storm]

I mean we don’t know the characters yet although the gallery cards make it look like it’s the zombies roster+squirrel girl

[stray flower]

indeed

[amber hound]

Who are you referring to? Blade, Elsa and who else?

[stray flower]

Elsa was not active and Blade was kidnapped, I am referring to the Eternity Knights, Moon Knight's team (and canonical defense team in the maps) with Iron Man as co-leader, they only really are mentioned in the Gallery Card "Midnight Missions" of Season 1 having Wolverine, Psylocke, and Winter Soldier helping them, and only visually Adam Warlock is there, this is also the reason the Gothic Return Skins are together. Adam is the main one that intrigues me though

[amber hound]

Ahhh interesting

[amber hound]

Any lore reasons why Black Cat is a cat?

[worn lichen]

she's not a cat

[amber hound]

Hmmm interesting.......

[ruby shale]

truly riveting stuff lads

[amber hound]

What is?

[ruby shale]

yeah

[midnight hamlet]

come back

[deft furnace]

wsp

hi guys

anyone online

???

?

ig not

sad

guys how can i get level 3

[simple storm]

This is the lore chat, more active people in the other chats

[deft furnace]

kk ty

[steel star]

luna snow is my wife

[covert depot]

Spideys lore got changed something something

[fossil dune]

Spidey is getting more lore this update. Telling of him helping Black Cat with the tablet of life and destiny this season

[shell nova]

I haven’t really read any of the parts in the comics about blades daughter is she also cool asf like blade

[sacred zinc]

Hey

[steep shoal]

#JUSTICE4JOHNNY'

[jagged basin]

Out of curiosity, is there an explanation for why Rogue has white bangs/roots? Or is it just a design choice and she likes dying her hair idk

[worn lichen]

no there’s not a lore reason why Rogue has styled her hair a specific way

[worn lichen]

apparently its been confirmed the figure on the rooftop is not a 2099 variant of Rogue, which doesnt technically rule out a variant from other timelines but it seems much more likely it's a clone now

[bleak olive]

It’s captain Marvel

[worn lichen]

it is not captain marvel, sorry

[bleak olive]

Pretty much been confirmed

[bleak olive]

Alright buddy believe what you wanna believe I tried

[worn lichen]

back at ya lol

looks nothing like Carol

[bleak olive]

That’s because it’s rivals version of her? Hello?

[worn lichen]

lol

[bleak olive]

;-;)

[rapid bay]

It’s probably related to her mutation

[zenith quiver]

evening everyone

[somber latch]

How was that confirmed lol

[worn lichen]

miller ross

coincidentally on stream he just said now that he asked who it was and he was given the runaround on it, but he was given a few hints and one guess, and based on the hints he guessed that it was Rogue 2099/Rogue from another timeline, which was wrong

[somber latch]

Lol

The main reason was because Alchemax 2099 is still up to something according to the same card. So they could be making clones ig. I have no idea what Alchemax is usually associated with

[worn lichen]

they do a lot of things and genetics/cloning is definitely one of them

also involved a lot with symbiotes

though that's present day alchemax, not 2099

for rivals 2099 alchemax, all we know is that they're looking into stuff like the super soldier serum and the infinity formula

I don't think they're necessarily the ones doing the cloning but maybe are working with someone like mr sinister or the jackal

but yeah, miller is an insider and he guessed it's a 2099 Rogue based on the info he was given, which was wrong

he also says "don't hold your breath" for captain marvel regarding the timetable on her

[simple storm]

Did miller mention anything about moon girl like he kinda did last time?

[worn lichen]

he said this a bunch, he said that he would be upset with the game if moon girl wasn't present, and then he said he's happy with things

he also said some people will be disappointed over it and some people will be really happy

[chilly nacelle]

hey im barely seeing the pic of the new gallery card anyone know why doom has the tablet and what balck cat had to do with it or any other teaser and lore info

also how is daredevil on the next gallery card with fisk i thought he was in kunlun still

[worn lichen]

a fake tablet was delivered to the gilded saint, Felicia gave the real tablet to present day Doom in exchange for him getting rid of the gilded saint

[stray flower]

now that's odd, because I know she distrusts the Gilded Saint and all but she is quite literally using his services for half of her kit, the abilities are her buying things from him

I assume it just means ensuring he desn't do anything to Manhattan, but if it could mean anything else she is also in great risk for 7 different reasons

[severe river]

Did captain America in the present timeline die by green goblin before the timestream entanglement brought a new captain America to this new universe

Because that would just make it more emotional for Peter on how he couldn’t save his captain America but got a second chance with this second one

[rapid bay]

It was most likely Hydra

[worn lichen]

yeah, he died before the timestream entanglement saving spider-man

the captain america we play as is from the 2099 timeline, where he was recently unthawed from the ice for the first time

[rapid bay]

I don’t believe it’s ever said who killed Present cap

[worn lichen]

in the new lore from 7.5, it is

[rapid bay]

Maybe I just haven’t seen it

[rapid bay]

Ah

[severe river]

It’s kinda a cool idea where Peter couldn’t save his captain America but got a second chance in this new universe to save this new one really hope we have a lot of dialogue between spider-man and green goblin about that event

[stray flower]

that would be very cool

[proven quail]

No wonder why everyones like “cap you got this trust” and the conversation between invisible women and cap makes a hella a lot more sense now

[severe river]

Need a second opinion on this in marvel rivals the 4 timelines(present,2099,collapsing,mosaic) all merged together into a single universe with the heroes of those timelines being this single new universes main heroes and 2099 being the distant future needing time portals or time travel to reach it and mosaic timeline becoming the space of this new universe and finally the present timeline becoming the man present day marvel in this universe with some mystical locations from the collapsing and present timeline being brought into this new universe in there location on the present day earth or taken to pocket dimensions where those gods are at war with monsters and each other

correct?

[somber yoke]

I love the lore of this game

[naive geyser]

Lf duo chill

[stray flower]

Incorrect, the Timestream Entanglement caused timelines to collapse and things to be displaced between timelines with 4 Main Timelines chosen by Galacta to survive, The Present Timeline where Krakoa vanished and 2099 Cap landed shortly after being unfrozen, The 2099 Timeline where Krakoa landed and where Widow was recruiting allies, The Mosaic Timeline primarily noted by Wakanda though where various cosmological characters got displaced to and supposedly other planets and Cosmic locations though they never really talk about which ones were not there before, and the Collapsing Timeline that is being held together by Scarlett Witch and is or at least was in perpetual combat due to it's various Mythologies being forced to co-exist as the last ditch to save the timeline, notably, Yggsgard is NOT part of the Collapsing Timeline, and the Wakandas of the Present and 2099 timeline are still existing places though not really doing anything as the 2099 Wakanda Embassy is there and Intergalactic Wakanda is making use of it for it's own purposes (opening Cross-Timeline portals when needed) what's enabling Cross-Timeline travel is the 2099 Spider Society who dragged Peter from the Present Timeline and Krakoa itself becoming overcharged with Chronovium causing it's Portals in it's home reality and those displaced to other Realities to still connect to the one that landed in 2099 as well as Intergalactic Wakanda likely using Chronovibranium to do it. Another notable thing being that the Alchemax 2099 invasion of the current season though triggered by Alchemax was an Incursion (2 Timelines colliding) not just a normal invasion

[somber yoke]

Wow that’s deep

[rapid bay]

You guys need to learn punctuation

Or separate things like this

[onyx radish]

Fr

Not a single .

[stray flower]

I was half asleep, though I can clean it up a bit if you want

[hollow blade]

I mean some people don't need to take breaths when talking. 🤣

[stray flower]

Half the characters agree with you

[clear bluff]

Sometimes you think you want a hela or a emma but deep down your soul yearns for a squirrel girl or a mantis

Sorry uh, wrong channel?

And who the hell is Jane Foster

[solemn mural]

Does the public in marvel know about Emma frost’s powers?

[stray flower]

Generally it depends but whenever she is X-Men affiliated the answer is a guaranteed Yes, when she is a Villain it's harder to be sure

[autumn bison]

Just saw the DD and kingpin gallery card whats the lore behind it?

[finite spruce]

🎓
✋🤚

[ruby shale]

not really

[stray flower]

It seems to be mostly just an interaction between a Daredevil of a fallen timeline and the Kingpinof this one, no mayor role relevance besides Alchemax 2099 staying and Fisk's will to explode Manhattan itself

I am far more intrigued by Black Cat yet again, she tricked the Gilded Saint, and made a deal with Doom to end the contract between the Guild and the Saint effectively making him lose Twice ... and yet who is she buying things from? The Gilded Saint ... now why would this be happening? it's not like their in game kits are not lore accurate outside of balancing, it's the entire reason why the Grand Master's deals were so relevant for Gambit and Rogue's kits

[worn lichen]

black cat's lore entry reveals that the Rocket ESU undercover skin is indeed relevant to the story and that Rocket is undercover at ESU

Black Cat used the same nega-energy replicator that Rocket used to swap Knull into the white hot room to swap the Tablet of Life and Destiny with a fake, but broke it in the process, and to make it up to Rocket, she gave him a portable arc reactor she stole from the Vault

Black Cat also explains part of why she gave Doom the tablet is because she felt like he wanted to use it for something deeply personal (but also, he freed the Thieves Guild from being enslaved by the Gilded Saint in exchange)

[worn lichen]

you'll be glad to read the new spiderman lore entry

[severe river]

I know yggsguard is a part of the present not collapsing that was something I wrote wrong but the universe in general structurally isn’t it like a single timeline now like to get to mystical locations like kun lun now that it is now revealed and out of its pocket dimension and now on earth and 2099 needing time travel to reach the future like the krakoan portals that function as time doors and the mosaic timeline just being the deep space of this universe but needing portals or light speed travel to reach it

Basically a new universe made up with the 4 universes with the wider multiverse in danger and needs to be saved and they don’t really dimensions hop

Also does marvel rivals Peter use webshooters?

[severe river]

in the marvel rivals gallery card of season 7.5 loose ends whats the lore and in the picture on daredevils corner is that the 8th city which became his new domain after his universe was destroyed

[stray flower]

No it's not, they never really explain exactly how they are traveling between the different Chronoverses but they are explicitly different Chronoverses, called that because of they are Universes with high Chronovium concentration and with their time periods being not quite the same, I can give a more concrete confirmation of the Dimension Hopping as well as for Season 7, part of Kingpin's campaign against Vigilantes is that the Alchemax Incursion was caused due to the high level of dimension hopping by the heroes with White Fox corroborating how their sensors register the travel, and Season 1 Shuri and Reed define the Chronoverses, Mr. Fantastic's Character Story holds this data if you want to see the details

[scarlet heart]

Is there like a command where u can read a certain characters lore

[severe river]

Yes it’s true but I still picture it being that way as I see it makes the most sense from my understanding and I think the travel things works like they travel across there new universe by either using portals for mystical areas like kun lun or just flying to its location in the Himalayas and for wakanda space travel by either light speed or jump points in the wakandan ship or the Milano and for 2099 it’s confirmed they use krakoan portals to travel across there new universe and the portal to reach 2099 axis kind of like a Time Machine/time door from the present day earth to the year 2099 and it kind of makes sense that 2099 is in a distant future since it’s mentioned multiple times in interactions and also the fact that in season six gambit and rogue both went on their honeymoon across this new universe planting raccoon seeds for anybody who survived the merge between those four timeline specifically planting seeds on different locations to where they go for any mutant that survived to come back to krakoa

Single timeline created from the four separate timelines makes the most sense to me

[stray flower]

but it's explicitly not that

"But it was not from the technologically advanced African nation that Reed and his fellow members of the Fantastic Four had long called their allies. Instead, this was from a Wakanda located in another dimension" this and a few other lines from the Reality Check character story state this, and other interactions or stories make comments in regards to that, we do not know how the heroes get to K'un Lun but we do know that it was not through it's original location in the Mountains since it was displaced

[cursive pecan]

was free fight removed from custom games?

[severe river]

Yes but also between a interaction between black panther and iron man Tony says that he was able to detect wakanda when it first entered there timeline and also a interaction between black panther and storm it seems that black panther is dead and something may have happened to wakanda in the present before the timestream entanglement merged the 4 timelines

And kun lun was pulled out of its pocket dimension and merged with the capital cities of heaven allowing infiltration from outside forces on earth

[stray flower]

Voice Line Interactions are known to be contradictory at times but the wording here is intriguing, as there is no way that Tony or Reed would have noticed the Galactic Station immediately upon the Entanglement happening since at the time they were dealing with the Vampires and other fall outs including the several missing heroes and locations, with T'Challa directly entering the timeline at a later point in time it would be possible for them to scan it while he traveled and explain why it was "you" rather than "it" even though the conversation was referring to it separately beforehand, but that's beside the point as Mr. Fantastic and Shuri's conversation is more concrete and established the other chronoverses as well. As for K'un Lun, it was torn out of it's pocket dimension and placed in the Collapsing Timeline, with the other forces mentioned being the warring gods and beings mentioned by Magik and Scarlet Witch, since we do have confirmation of K'un Lun being in the Collapsing Timeline, but none that the invaders are explicitly from earth (though since it is divine beings their connection to earth would suffice that requirement)

[severe river]

Look fair points but I think I am gonna stick with my thoughts on the universe good points all around tho but I am just saying to me it makes the most sense just in my opinion since technically they never are seen dimension hoping in the entry before the game starts and more traveling across there new universe

But still you got fair points all around

Also I just gotta ask does spider-man have webshooters or not just want to know

[stray flower]

Since it's a Web Cluster I think it's Web-Shooters, and it's what the Wiki lists, it's probably true. His in game Bio doesn't list it in the powers he obtained so that's probably where they got that from.

[kind compass]

Anyone wanna spidey 1v1 dm me

[pine imp]

does Spiderman actually like black cat

[stray flower]

Pete's relationships are wild, I don't think anyone really knows who he likes, even himself, though based on what her Accesory references, he definitely has at least crushed on her

[severe river]

Peter does like black cat but just not in the romantic way anymore from the amount of times Peter was tricked by her and it’s a platonic and flirty relationship
Also question in the gallery card of season 7 loose ends in daredevils corner of the window is that his nyc before his timeline was destroyed and was brought to this new universe or is it the 8th city of heaven

[stray flower]

I think you mean Devil's Reign and it seems to be his NYC, due to the tall buildings and it being wrecked

[severe river]

Oh so it’s his nyc before he became the daredevil of this new universe ok it’s o cool to see how even though this universe has a lot of downsides it gave a lot of heroes upsides and second chances like peter having a second chance to make up for not being able to save captain America and got a second chance with this one and daredevil having a second chance to save his friends and family of this universe or homes for heroes who’s universes were destroyed like venom and scarlet witches slowly decaying universe at the edge of the multiverse and finally phsylock who is trying to get home but here universe was destroyed after Deadpool saved her and her dog Logan and creating new stories in this new universe of heroes

[gloomy fiber]

I have a idea for Marvel Rivals. Bringing the villains Green Goblin, the Sinister Six (kinda like the TMNT system in Injustice 2 but instead it would be with 5 characters: Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman, Lizard, and Mysterio), Killmonger, Apocalypse, Shang-Chi, Robbie Reyes, and the Starbrand from Jason Aarom Avengers phase. Bring both Pre-Historic Avengers and Multiversal Masters of Evil themed skins with unique animations and special effects. Mix both it, the Avengers Assemble saga of Jason Aaron, with Secret Wars (2015), and Marvel Rivals storyline. With boss battles like during the zombie themed mode, but it would be against Doctor Doom in his Ruler of BattleWorld skin and his Barons Council including Ghost Goblin, Dark Phoenix Mystique (skin for Jean Grey), King Monger wielding both Thor and Black Panther powers, a Apocalypse wielding his own version of the Starbrand and pharaoh of Egyptia (one of the realms of BattleWorld), Mandarim wielding the Iron Fist Dragon Powers (skin for Iron Fist and the skin inspired by the MCU version of Mandarim), and a Sorcerer Supreme version of Mysterio. Like please bring to the Marvel Rivals story and lore the Pre-Historic Avengers and the Multiversal Avengers and Masters of Evil.

[stray flower]

I wonder, of the 4 chronoverses, we only actually know they exist because of the travel between them being noted by Reed and Shuri, but would it be possible for any other Chronoverse to have survived but have no travel between it and the existing ones that is still relevant to main lore (so no Zombies)?

[severe river]

I am sure there is still a wider multiverse out there but this universe just merged those 4 specific timelines for this games universe but there is still a wider multiverse where variants are brought in and out of that universe by galacta

[severe river]

I think the zombie one is one example but it’s more like the surviving heroes in that universe instead of the main heroes traveling to that universe

[stray flower]

Most other universes we have heard of were outright destroyed like Demon Days or Daredevil's, and even the Collapsing Chronoverse is at risk of joining their fate at current time, it's more so, if there would be a future character that was displaced to or originated from a Chronoverse that was not destroyed and could become a future point of interest for battle, I mean the Inhumans are still completely unexplored and we still do not know where Cyclops or Xavier landed, so perhaps they ended up somewhere with a lot of Inhumans and that Chronoverse is simply not part of the travel yet

[worn lichen]

DD's universe is the collapsing timeline

Cyclops probably ended up in 2099 considering that they hinted that he's inside the 2099 alchemax building

[severe river]

Look all heroes are scattered across there new universe each hero that is revealed will have eventually find there way back to the other heroes cyclops likely might be lost maybe in limbo with madlyn prior being teased as next seasons villian

[severe river]

When did they hint he was in alchemax hq

[worn lichen]

in the final gallery card of the season, Jean says that she feels like Cyclops is close by, and there's a red flash that comes out of the building

[worn lichen]

oh and to clarify, it was confirmed that the figure on the rooftop has the same brain patterns as Rogue, not Jean

so it's not Madelyn Prior but rather another Rogue, whether it's Rogue from a different timeline or a clone of her

[severe river]

Maybe it’s rogues 2099 self maybe she survived longer than the other x-men and was experimented on and also side note technically every future timeline is a possible future of a present day universe so them picking this one is like confirming this is this universes 2099 future
Just as a theory which would make characters like peni both a variant and a descendent of Peter and though there is a aunt may maybe somewhere down the line someone named there kid may Parker or something

[severe river]

Question is there anything in 616 comics about a story of a clone of rogue or evil town travelling twin or something

[light basin]

Did you know that rocket raccoons real name is rigby and he is a animal

[worn lichen]

we actually know it's not rogue 2099 thanks to a reliable source, so i'm guessing it's probably a clone of Rogue

[severe river]

maybe mr sinister is the main villian pulling another madlyn prior cloning thing but teaming up with alchemax hq(who traveled back from 2099) to infect her with a technovirus similar to ultron in season 2 making her a cyborg
also do you think that peni is both a variant and desendent of peter with the 4 timelines merged into this new universe kinda picked a probable future form this universes present day and just confirmed it and somethings are a bit messed up with present cap being dead and 2099 cap being alive still show they are technically diffrent timelines but it is also kind of a confirmed future for this present with cap trying to prevent it as well

[rapid bay]

It’s possible, but we’ve heard from Galacta and both Dooms that there are only four Chronoverses

[old perch]

oh

[severe river]

Plus if it is it would make this universe even more unique where there is a spider-man in the universe where his 2099 variant is his multiversal descendent and make the universe feel more connected

[lusty bison]

Epic lore

[misty saddle]

If you have read the captain america, black widow, winter soldier, and Hawkeye hero stories. They are all really good, and interconnected with one another.

[hardy cosmos]

W lore

[stable canyon]

Is this a good place to put fan fic lore SFW of course 🙃

I am going to post fan lore here, is this the wrong thing to do here?

[stray flower]

I think it's technically allowed? The only request by staff is to keep the chat relevant to the Rivals lore, fanfic is technically relevant, though perhaps Fan-Art fits better? then again that one does specify images

[simple storm]

As someone who’s never played persona but keep seeing references to it, how accurate is it to say season 7 is just the persona season?

[silent stream]

Pretty accurate

[stray flower]

quite accurate, though I'd argue it's the reverse order persona season because although all the storybeats are present, they sort of happen in a wacky order

[marsh sand]

i have been playing tomodachi life and have added sg and spidey in it, and had to prevent them from catching feelings for each other especially since sg is into shaggy rn so now i have to ask: i know spidey has been with mj and i guess black cat, but has he ever gone with squirrel girl?

[stray flower]

Nope, the Spider-Man wiki does not have her in the list of Love Interests that include 17 MJs

[crystal lion]

Tomodachi life is so peak

[severe river]

What new maps do you think should be added to expand and introduce more characters of this new marvel universe

[simple storm]

Savage lands, mojo world, attilan, Atlantis, monster island/underworld (mole man territory), Egypt (apocalypse territory), knowhere, Xander, Hala

[severe river]

Maybe Egypt is a location on the current earth where konshi could be at war with apocalypse

Hopefully we get drax and gamora in a knowhere themed event with someone like thanos trying to take over this new universe and stuff

[simple storm]

That or collapsing timeline since that’s where most of the magic characters come from like Wanda and Magik

[severe river]

Yes but the 4 timelines merged into a single functioning universe with some universes being pulled into little pocket dimensions with those mythologies at war or something

[simple storm]

And Magik had interest in joining apocalypse

[severe river]

True maybe she teams up with him at first then returns to being a hero again

[severe river]

So I picture every location takes place in a single new universe which is not exactly stable but stable enough while the rest of the multiverse is in danger and also no need for hopping from reality to reality since they are all in 1 universe now

Technically

[stray flower]

They didn't merge, I was going to let it go but this is not a situation of headcanon for own purposes anymore since you are using it as part of suggestions for the main universe, they are split, Collapsing Timeline is not a pocket dimension inside the present timeline and Mosaic is not simply out in space as Reed and Shuri discuss and work with interdimensional travel to move Black Panther to Empire of Eternal Night for the Season 1 story

there is need for hopping from reality to reality

that being said, Nowhere for the remaining Guardians, and Egypt for Apocalypse related events are peak suggestions, perhaps 2099 Egypt would be the relevant location since that is the Chronoverse where Krakoa landed

[rapid bay]

All four chronoverses are separate universes, the only overlap between them are Incursions, which we’ve only seen one of

[sage river]

you can contact #game-support for your in-game issue

[severe river]

When you start in matches they are never seen travelling to different universes tho plus it did say that 4 timelines entangled/somewhat merge
Also speaking of which gotta ask you think Peni Parker is peters desendent and next spider-man for this universes 2099

[gilded lichen]

Isn't peni like an alternate peter parker

I think peni is the peter parker of her universe

[severe river]

Yes but also in marvel in every future timeline is a possible future of a present timeline so in this present this 2099 is kinda a confirmed future for this universe which kinda makes them related in some way

So she is kinda both a variant and a descendent of Peter

[gilded lichen]

Isn't the 2099 descendant of Peter miguel or something?

I could be wrong

[severe river]

No he just took up the mantle kinda like in Batman beyond where Terry miguiness took over as the Batman of the future

[severe river]

Which also explains how this is now a sort of merged universe or at least functions that way

[wraith ermine]

Guys i watched the hours to get the twitch drop skins but when I want to connect my account it doesn't work with twitch why ?

[turbid wind]

I feel like Thing would have insane durability in this game.

[rapid bay]

That’s because the gameplay isn’t canon

[severe river]

But look it seems to make the most sense that’s what it seems to be

[severe river]

I just meant the loading screen before you start the match not the actual gameplay

[rapid bay]

It’s been officially stated by multiple sources in and out of universe that the four Chronoverses are separate realities/universes/timelines

[stray flower]

We actually do see it in game, the Character Selection of the Tokyo 2099 Map Attackers Side has you in the Present and getting grabbed by Spider-Zero to help, you can tell it's Present and not 2099 because of the distinct lack of Neon Lighting when compared to the Defenders character selection screen

[turbid wind]

How impactful is Deadpool’s ultimate in coordinated team fights?

[tribal elbow]

When you start in matches they are never seen travelling to different universes tho
Well yes, but hero interactions can be wildly different between rounds.
Round 1 Hawkeye can be ecstatic to have found Jeff and "Kate's gonna be so happy", only for Round 2 Hawkeye to have no idea what Jeff's supposed to be.

[rare veldt]

we need a white fox lore movie her story is so deep and exspansive

[dire pike]

Who remember female version of the Thing

[copper wharf]

ME

I lub ben..

Love she-thing.. Sharon Ventura

[stray flower]

As much as it pains me to say it, not really, Sir Superhero says it best (and I recommend watching his video on White Fox) but White Fox is not a character, she is a world building tool, and that is a good role for her, she is a Kumiho, and she is the leader of Tiger Division, South Korea's equivalent for SHIELD, and that being a thing is more than enough for White Fox to justify her existance as she represents the International Interaction aspects of SHIELD but on the other side of the deal, when a Korean Hero lands in the US Fury or Hill is checking who they are, when a US Hero lands in Korea, it's White Fox :)

[severe river]

Fair point tho but you also can reach there by using krakoan portals which are kinda like time doors or need time travel

Look they are separate realities but know still are but function as a single timeline/universe
plus there are a lot of interactions and story elements that show that it’s a single merged universe it’s still unstable and they are there own timelines but now created into a single new universe with the different timelines being like zones or something

[real meadow]

Spiderman

Spiderman

[inland dust]

oh so that’s why he put captain america in prison

[severe river]

They imprisoned cap because he was a hero and was blamed for bringing alchemax hq from the future back to the present day nyc

Aka the incursion between the present and future

[sharp yoke]

whats the starlit mask kingpin refers to in the gallery card with him and daredevil? he says an enchanted stone (norn stone), cursed cloak (i assume hood's hood), and a "starlit mask"

[worn lichen]

the eternity mask

[sharp yoke]

I see

Now the question is: who has it

[simple storm]

Hood /parker robbins I think

If he’s added maybe he’ll have some ability where he’ll temporarily have the same max hp as his enemy

[sharp yoke]

If he has the Eternity Mask, we’re screwed

[worn lichen]

it’s not known who has the mask

nothing says that parker robbins took it, and if he was to take more than one thing, it would’ve been the norn stone because he’s used them more than once in the comics, but Dracula took the norn stone

i’m guessing that the eternity mask is gonna make its way into the hands of Loki

[chilly nacelle]

Yeah I’m barely learning about that eternity mask. Who the hell thought writing an item that can make you instantly rival a beyonder would be a good idea?

[chilly nacelle]

Hope it does I wanna see what he’s cooking, but also hope he doesn’t wear it I don’t wanna see luchador Loki

[sharp yoke]

If you take a mere glance at Marvel Comics lore, the Eternity Mask is a small fish in a vast ocean atp

[chilly nacelle]

Meaning cause what item could be higher that can be wielded by anyone that reaches beyonder level

[simple flame]

After reading the description on the Tablet of Life and Time I think I know what modern day Doctor Doom is trying to accomplish

[chilly nacelle]

Dang I gotta read it now

[simple flame]

Want me to say my theory or do you wanna read it first?

[dire pike]

Here’s the Thing

[chilly nacelle]

Eh you can go ahead once I read the description it might make me agree more or not

[simple flame]

He’ll try to find the Tablet of Death and Entropy to go to Hell to save his mother

[chilly nacelle]

Yeah I’m gonna have to read the description cause can it even do that I thought it only gives and takes life span

[simple flame]

Having both the Tablet of Life and Time and Tablet of Death and Entropy lets you open a path to the afterlife

according to the description anyways

And in another gallery card (if you don’t wanna spoil yourself and read the gallery cards) ||Black Cat gave the Tablet of Life and Time to Doctor Doom||

[chilly nacelle]

The gallery’s I already red

But would Doctor Doom do that I feel like everything he’s been doing has just been trying to get power

The only one who has shown care for getting his mother back is Doom 2099

[simple flame]

If there’s one thing Doom loves more than anything, it’s his mother

He’s done this exact thing in the comics before tmk

[chilly nacelle]

And his god daughter I so hope we get a moment with them together

[sharp yoke]

i thought its 2099 who wants his mom. i was under the impression that its also 616 doom who has the tablet

[simple flame]

Modern Doom has the tablet, Doom 2099 idk what’s going on with him

[chilly nacelle]

But if that is the case I hope that means we see ghost rider down there when he attempts it

[simple flame]

It seems like he doesn’t have all of his memories

[simple flame]

Hood’s also been set up but he’s connected to Dormammu

speaking of villains of villains and future seasons, so far we got:

Madelyn Pryor and Alchemax 2099

Arnim Zola and Hive with Maveth

And Mephisto and maybe even Hood in Hell

[chilly nacelle]

Hood might have to be another time cause we barely got a glimpse at Dormammu so to set him up might take time if he’s sending Hood to do work

[chilly nacelle]

The Madelyn one what makes you say that

[simple flame]

Final Gallery Card this season

[chilly nacelle]

But the gallery card hints at the same thought patterns as rogue

[simple flame]

Ah I read that wrong

[sharp yoke]

wow i did not make that connection at all with madelyn

[simple flame]

An Age of Apocalypse season then?

[sharp yoke]

yeah i was gonna say that

[simple flame]

Does Rogue ever become a Horseman?

[sharp yoke]

i just hope that gallery card teaser gives me my beloved dinosaur

[chilly nacelle]

Don’t think so but good a chance as any in marvel rivals

[simple flame]

Dino and Scott are next season most likely

[chilly nacelle]

Pretty sure they are

[simple flame]

S6 did this with a Black Cat and a White Fox near Deadpool in the final gallery card as well

And in S5 we had Deadpool and Elsa on screens next to the Collector

[feral ingot]

Logan and Gambit were horsemen. Then Later on Magneto and Ororo were horsemen for X-Man, but I can't remember if they were for apocalypse too

[dire pike]

How is the Thing immortal?

[feral ingot]

Due to the cosmic rays he technically can't age, least not in his Rocky form, so he could live for thousands of years but he's not the same type of Immortal as a Deity

So like nigh Immortal but still capable of dying

You'd be surprised on the number of characters in this game who are nigh Immortal or at the very least can live a few thousand years

[rapid sky]

I'm not tryna be mean but yes ll say this I am a Wanda gazer but what some wandas don't understand why the reason zombie Wanda wasn't able to defeat infinity Ultron because 1 it was a zombie- and 2 it wasn't wanda with dark hold Wanda in the house of M of wanda with her max potinoel of reality bending and the dark hold was be fair match...-

[turbid wind]

Is Deadpool viable in high-rank play or does he fall off against coordinated teams

[worn lichen]

#hero-chat

[polar blade]

There's been comics of him out-ageing the other characters. I think he went back in time from that point, dont quote me

[simple storm]

We might actually get to fight Dracula

[worn lichen]

the bosses are Capwolf, Ratatoskr, ||Dracula||, and ||Kingpin||

[simple storm]

I mean that’s better than being just being a background npc

Maybe they’ll bring Knull back from the white room for a symbiote themed PvE

Queen in black Hela boss, maybe all butcher Loki if that counts. Depending on if they add carnage?

[stray flower]

Not sure Knull is in a state to return anytime soon but Queen in Black Hela would be a good boss

I would have much gathered PvE modes to be happening concurrent to the seasons they are themed after lore wise so we didn't have to worry about the boss being defeated (and so we can have the canon Attack or Defense team be the playable team)

I am still excited to try it out at some point

[chilly nacelle]

You know did it ever say who’s the new king in black now that knulls gone

Cause if they’re following the newest comics won’t knull comeback since the throne hasn’t been taken

[simple storm]

We could get an Ultron PvE mode, maybe in a season where he teams up or takes over sentinels

I had an idea a while ago where the Ultron virus skins could’ve been PvE bosses

Hawkeye, iron fist and mag

[stray flower]

Isn't it Venom/Eddie? Or did he not claim it? Let me double le check

[bold mirage]

Why is Dracula back again?

[stray flower]

Ok so, as far as the gallery cards state, there has been no official claim of anything but we do have this: Knull being eradicated since Hela recognizes his power fading after his death, and All-Black recognizing Venom as a King in Black before Knull's defeat, saying "Who is the True King in Black?" So I think as far as the Symbiotes are concerned, Knull is dead and Venom is the new King

[stray flower]

When he was defeated by Squirrel Girl and the attacking team he retreated to his coffin which was placed in the same prison Kingpin put the Vigilantes in, after White Fox, Black Cat, and Spidey broke them out, Dracula took the opportunity to escape

[bold mirage]

Oh

Why does he have the norn stone then?

Is this related to doom?

[stray flower]

Probably

[bold mirage]

Anyway thanks

[worn lichen]

Kingpin had a norn stone in the vault (which you can see on the map), Dracula stole it when he escaped

[bold mirage]

Ah I see

Thanks again

[stiff mesa]

Yo data your profile picture looks familiar

[worn lichen]

you're in the monumenta discord so probably recognise it/me from there

[stiff mesa]

Oh that’s cool. Small world I guess

[somber latch]

Did Knull have a map model like the others

That seems to be the key factor here, considering they used Ratrtaorlfosskr of all things

[simple storm]

In resource rumble he did

[somber latch]

Ok so he's on the table for a boss battle then

[ruby summit]

perhaps, depends on if they use him for the future though

[brisk dagger]

Do you guys know whether Mephisto got to CnD?

[tired ingot]

Dont mind me i just want the Invisible Woman ‘s achievement

Dont mind me i just want the Invisible Woman ‘s achievement

[stray flower]

the thing in regards to Knull is that he did get straight up eradicated and Hela lost the symbiote power (from Knull, if Venom provides it she has it) so his return for a PvE is ... highly unlikey, but if instead of his return we do a flashback, to the combat as it was happening DURING season 3, not only could we have Knull, we could have Hela as a boss fight as well

[obsidian quartz]

Lore on my parents divorce?

[elfin quest]

🤨

[elfin quest]

what?

[mortal plinth]

JEAN AND SCOTT ARE MARRIED IN RIVALS, let’s goooooo!!!

[viscid gale]

Someone drop the lore about Galacta and the time stream. Im confused. I want a 30 paragraph explanation.

[stray flower]

30 Paragraphs is.... hard to do, when as far as what you have asked I only need 2

Doom and 2099 Doom were both experimenting with Time for their own purposes and due to their combined actions the timestream became wildly unstable and Shattered leading to massive chaos with timelines crashing and items between them being displaced the majority of timelines got destroyed.

Galacta as daughter of Galactus and a Cosmic being searching for an alternative source of nutrients besides planets found that the Chronal Energy of this chaos was a good source of nutrients for her, and between her fascination with Heroes, her Benevolence, and the fact the Entanglement continuing meant she was getting free range food decided to stabilize a few universes to use as both entertainment and food, those being the 4 Chronoverses where the game takes place

[simple storm]

Yh but no one really stays dead in comics

Except uncle Ben

[stray flower]

I mean ... True, though not sure how much that applies to Cosmic Obliteration, even the Living Tribunal had to be replaced

[polar briar]

does anyone know when the switch 2 version is coming out???

[pulsar venture]

Chat someone give me the lore on rocket in the game, I’m too lazy

[viscid gale]

Wait so does that mean the universe is screwed?

Like there's only 4 universes left and everyone has to basically co exist together now

[stray flower]

yesn't? it's unclear if any of it is reversible and even if the 4 Chronoverses are returned to their regular states and the Entanglement stopped who knows what happens to the other Universes, but also other Chronoverses do still exist anyway, as the Zombies and likely the Path to Doomsday gamemodes happen in their own isolated Universes

[stray flower]

wait, what were the Blood Hunt Bosses again?

Rattatoskr, Dracula, Kingpin and Cap Wolf?!?!

I mean sure a Captain America Boss can be fun

butno Black Panther, Thrice Cursed King :( I want more of that very cool lore

the Vampires had such cool background lore that was not explored and won't be explored because it's current time event not flashback :(

[iron spoke]

[slim warren]

Does Galacta have lore other than her watching over the games and talking to Deadpool?

Nvm I scrolled up

[tribal elbow]

And even he has returned on occasion (clone, alternate timeline/universe etc etc)

[atomic ferry]

Is it ok to link a site I made that helps ppl understand the lore for the game? And maybe get some feedback? 🤔

[worn lichen]

he has had a lot of story relevance, maybe more than any other character

[pulsar venture]

I need the full run down

[worn lichen]

i’d have to look it up because i don’t remember it all off the top of my head

[worn lichen]

• season 0, him and the guardians of the galaxy are sent to Klyntar (symbiotic surface map) and try to use knull's essence as a bomb to defeat him before he wakes up. He and the guardians escape Klyntar by swapping the position of their ship and the celestial hulk in orbit, which causes the husk to crash down onto the planet, setting up season 3 stuff
• season 2, rocket was present at the gala
• season 3, rocket comes up with the method to defeat Knull by swapping him with Phoenix while she's being reborn in the white hot room, and he also gets a lead on Lylle, learning that she had bonded with a symbiote
• season 5+6, Rocket plays cards with Gambit and they get attacked, and Gambit heals Rocket, who asks him to look out for Lylla in the collector's gallery. Later, Rocket travels with the Guardians of the Galaxy to the gallery to help out but get trapped, Mantis helps restore the Gardener's garden and he allows them to leave
• season 7, Rocket is undercover at ESU with the other heroes and the same tech he used to swap Knull with the Phoenix is used by Black Cat to swap the Tablet of Life and Destiny with a fake. The tech is destroyed, but Cat gives Rocket an arc reactor to make up for it

additionally, although the comics are mostly not canon, Rocket also appears in multiple stories in the Marvel Rivals Infinity comics, and he's also pretty much the main character in the Marvel Rivals Unleashed Infinity comic where he and some others fight Doom 2099

[pulsar venture]

Rocket is my favorite character of all time so it’s always nice to see him getting a lot of attention thank you for the explanation 🥹

[worn lichen]

yeah i cant think of a single character who's had more story involvement than him

[upper hare]

Hello guys , what is mean output boost?

[pulsar venture]

Wait lyllas alive in this universe?

[worn lichen]

Rocket is trying to find Lylla

[rapid bay]

In one of the season 0 gallery cards or rocket’s lore page, he temporarily bonded with a symbiote on Klyntar that repaired some of his cybernetics

The only other thing that could do that would be Lylla

[worn lichen]

it's explicitly stated in the story

[foggy smelt]

Whos wants to Spider-Man 1v1?

[silent rune]

You and your future self

[runic pivot]

moon knight

[lapis narwhal]

probably common topic, why elsa bloodstone is not in the new vampire hunting mode, maybe she will come later, i had fun in the event!

[lyric briar]

The PVE mode occurs in New York after the events of the new map and I don’t think Elsa is there in the lore , also she is so new they didn’t have time to give her new abilities for the mode.

[simple storm]

Next pve after blood hunt im guessing might be based on x-men vs sentinels

[glossy token]

Would love this. Or if they’re looking for an MCU tie in because of the movie, give me a few of the bigger MCU battles like New York and you’re fighting Chitauri, Sokovia and facing off against Ultrons, or Wakanda/Avengers Tower and you’re fighting Thanos’ lot

However non movie stuff would be just as great to have too!

[simple storm]

We’re already getting 1v6 mode based on that next week

[glossy token]

Well that’s the Avengers vs Loki and is PvP adjacent! I’m talking about mowing down crowds of Chitauri!

[worn lichen]

punisher is also already the gun character

[foggy smelt]

Anyone wanna Spider-Man 1v1?

[surreal ginkgo]

this game is dying thanks to the god awful matchmaking and atp im watching gleefully. what sense does it make to put platinum players in games w celestial players?? every game is either stomp or get stomped and its so tiring.

[final swan]

…

[keen wharf]

Go to game chat this is lore chat buddy

[surreal ginkgo]

you’re late dweeb

[keen wharf]

And your still here responding at least I got a life...

[surreal ginkgo]

literally who are you? nobody

[keen wharf]

And your somebody? Didn't think so

[surreal ginkgo]

at least im someone who knows the difference between your and you’re. moron

[keen wharf]

Whatever u gotta tell yourself😭✌️ only idiots feel the need to speak properly i dont need to speak properly to convey my point just because u do doesn't make u smart in fact its the opposite but keep projecting all u want💀 all I did is tell u your in the wrong chat.🫡

[silent rune]

She is a monster hunter, not a vampire hunter

[keen wharf]

😭 intelligence of a child

Get a life buddy💀✌️

[round garden]

E

[mystic glade]

You said it heh

[valid current]

My heart breaks for Doreen in Blood Hunt..

[glad hawk]

hello everyone

[loud echo]

So Moonknights new skin, Suave Spector. In the hero galler intro you can see him in the car with the default skin and Mister Knight. Is suave Spector supposed to represent one of Spectors personalities? Steven maybe? Or am i just stupid😅

[woven walrus]

punisher will have butt dance emote soon

[compact gust]

Thats random

[rapid bay]

Marc Spector, as far as I know, is the only personality of Moon Knight to ever be presented in the game

Except the mcu skin but that’s not canon

[loud echo]

Sucks, damn. Would have been cool

[regal thorn]

If anyone wants to play rn dm me for qp

[meager hamlet]

looking for a female invis player to sit in times square with. im chamption bucky and ill protect you

[stray flower]

Why we got an e-dater here?

Anyway, Times Square is where we fight Kingpin so I have to ask, how many people were affected by the return of Dracula to cause Times Square to be so empty

[wispy tiger]

I'm here

[feral quail]

Thousands of years of evolution lead to this
Anyways

[feral quail]

How is everyone doing today
I like to assume kingpin evacuated the city in order to try and murder the heroes without anyone seeing him? Idk that might be far fetched
Maybe coding civilians running away might be difficult

[stray flower]

Probably, it makes sense no one would really doubt him mid vampire attack too

[worn lichen]

the last gallery card describes him losing in times square as a public downfall, so people were watching

[chilly nacelle]

can anyone confirm if Parker Robins The Hood isnt drawing his pwer from Dormammu or Mephisto but this time Oblivion

[worn lichen]

i mean thats what it looks like in the infinity comic

[cinder garden]

Question: Could an ordinary human use the full Infinity Gauntlet just a little bit to make themselves very slightly more powerful, then again, and again, until their body is strong enough to withstand doing big stuff with it?

[stray flower]

I'm assuming you mean the MCU Guantlet cause it works quite differently in the comics, but the answer would likely be no as simply holding the stones is strenuous and Thanos has a visible reaction to inserting them one by onr

[brisk wraith]

@light kiln @green urchin what’s some good lore

[green urchin]

Bro😭

[light kiln]

I heard a little theory that bruce banner might be the hulk👀

[brisk wraith]

👀👀

[glacial cedar]

🙏

[warped pine]

I am assuming the civilians were turned into the vampires that get murdered in the beginning

[worn lichen]

I think the vampires were actually created/summoned by the Norn Stone, as Kingpin says "Dracula's Norn Stone has spawned a new br33d of und3ad."

(one of those two words is filtered here for some reason and I don't know which, but the line is direct quote from the game)

[simple flame]

Do we count the Mr Knight skin since that’s Steven?

[feral quail]

Hello Steven, or Mark, or Jake

[sweet ruin]

Squirrel girl besta character

[fathom cipher]

Yooo

[rapid bay]

Might wanna read directly under that message

[night solar]

Wait does the Kun Lun map take place in the normal timeline or the collapsing one?

[rapid bay]

I believe it was displaced into the Collapsing? I’m not sure though

[honest ruin]

Is water wet

[slender depot]

Anyone else get a friend request from Bilan Augusta I got a friend request from here but I can’t see any messages from them so I’m not sure if they are a bot or not

[severe river]

In the bloodhunt event is capwolf the one from the collector so did Deadpool like adopt him into his monster kingdom because I thought he was sent back to his timeline or across the multiverse not stuck in this universes

[worn lichen]

yes

[severe river]

Ok by the end of this year we will likely get doom as a playable character and if we do who should be the new big bad of this universe?

[severe river]

Also is the marvel rivals universe in its own separate multiverse or is it apart of the rest of the marvel multiverse like comic 616 main universe or mcu 616 or 6160 universe and more

[rapid bay]

It is its own multiverse but there are canon connections to the comic multiverse

[severe river]

So it’s in its own multiverse with its own version of 616 and its own 4 timelines that created the new universe

Ok got it

[severe river]

Thanks

[naive cosmos]

Is jeff stronger than Wanda?

[stray flower]

When dealing with Multiverses a lot of funky things can happen, I call them Megaverses where it's a collection Multiverses, allowing a "Multiversal destruction" to not disrupt the other Multiversal stories that can/should be happening, ie Marvel Rivals and the MCU are part of the same Megaverse as the Comics but are still their own Multiverses to allow things like Quantummania and the Timestream Entanglement to exist when the Comics had Battleworld and it's 3 different Multiverse resets

[severe river]

Ok got it thanks

[mystic peak]

BRING BACK MARVEL ULTIMATE ALLIANCE

[median karma]

Fun fact: a huge chunk of ur family envies u from the day you where born

[lime canopy]

Hlo

[severe river]

Did anyone else notice how each marvel rivals timeline that created there new universe from the 4 seperate universes focuses of the 4 main corners of the marvel universe(present for its version of 616 collapsing for its mystical corners hidden or on earth mosaic space and galactic travel and 2099 which obviously is for the future and time travel

[stray flower]

I mean, yes and no, like that is 100% something that was definitely intentional, but it's not encompassing. The main classification levels of the Marvel Universe are Street, Global, Cosmic, and Mystic, Divine beings generally fall into that last category. X-Men/Mutants and Inhumans are a sub group of Global (though specific X-Men will go Street frequently) and of course the characters jumping between levels like Spidey who is somehow in all 4 levels at the same time, Present Timeline is mostly Street Level heroes forced to deal with Mystic level events (Konshu, Dracula and Yggsgard) though it still gets it's personal Street Struggle (Kingpin) 2099 has a lot of Global heroes (anything Shield and Hydra lands Cap and Widow as well as Bucky and Hawkeye who got displaced there) fighting a Street Level conflict (Public Eye just in Tokyo) though dealing with the Mystical Fallout of the Spider Society and the Global ramifications of Krakoa landing there (because Emma just refuses to stay out of Global affairs). And I'll have to split because the message is too long it gets flagged as Spam lol

Mosaic is literally just the Cosmic Sphere, not even any major modifications except for the Mystic level of Bast and Knull who reside in both Corners and Collapsing it's Mystic Heroes being forced into their own personal equivalent of a Global conflict, but the nations are Mystic by Nature ... Mystic just is everywhere huh? Point being, yes they definitely are there and that's 100% by intention of where the conflict is located for each Chronoverse (entirely in Manhattan for Present, but various locations for all the others) but they still mix and match in a very fun way

this might be even more intentional that I noticed, though over half the cast originates from the present timeline (5 playable characters from each of the others plus Venom and Adam who are unknown) the only displaced heroes were: Bucky (Hydra), Hawkeye (SHIELD), and Krakoa[+X-Men] (Mutants) to 2099 (Global), Thor via Banishment (Deity) Angela (Deity) and Iron Fist (Mystic Martial) to Collapsing (Mystic) and possibly Adam (Cosmic) to Mosaic (Cosmic) while no one was notably or explicitly displaced to Present

[severe river]

But in the end they did use the 4 timelines and the timestream entanglement to create there new universe from those 4 timelines so it’s like there own version of 616 but heroes from those timelines showing up in this new world every new season

[severe river]

Thor was banished to a collapsing universe and was able to return to this new universe with the help of hulk and the other heroes from that ruined universe that became residents of this one right?

[stray flower]

the Collapsing Chronoverse is still in shambles as far as we are aware, K'un Lun was displaced there however so we know it still exists and that they have to return there at some point, wonder if it will survive though seeing as Magik and Scarlet Witch who are the two main people making sure it doesn't spontaneously collapses are both helping out in the other Chronoverses

Hulk is also there funnily enough, but because Gamma is so funky it manages to be Mystic half the time so he fits the slot

Mosaic said I don't like Mixing, took Adam and said any and all travel to my chronoverse will be intentional meanwhile Present is losing people left and rght and 2099 and Collapsing have to deal with the displaced Nations and Realms that landed there

the only character who genuinely doesn't fit the chronoverse they originate/got displaced to and was not adapted to it (Daredevil has a Pact and even without it he is tied to the Hand giving him Mystic connections) is Punisher, who got 2099 treatment but no Visual Update to match and no Global ties to match remaining a Street Level

White Fox is Global being from a SHIELD equivalent but she is not acting in the name of that so eh

[severe river]

If doom ever became playable do you think kang should be the next major threat to this new universe or should it just focus on doom because on one hand he would be a really awesome character plus we need more villians(actual villians not anti heroes like venom) but he also would need to be balanced out to match strength level as the other heroes and not be to overpowered

[stray flower]

I wonder what they have planned for the dooms, the two of them are actively scheming and causing/messing with all the current conflicts, so mayhaps even if one becomes playable the other one will simply increase his activity and maintain the main villain role

[severe river]

But all in all a very cool concept for this games universe setting(a new timeline created from 4 other timelines(which each timeline could be more like different zones in that universe while structurally being a somewhat normal universe)

[severe river]

Maybe present doom becomes playable and 2099 becomes and even more major threat to this new universe

[severe river]

Is ai good when it comes to research on the games lore since I ask but I am not sure if I should believe it

What are the 10 realms in marvel rivals universe

[worn lichen]

AI likes to make up stuff that sometimes sounds convincing, so no you shouldnt believe it lol

the 10 realms in the context of Marvel is likely referring to the 10 realms connected to Yggdrasil - so Asgard, Midgard, Muspelheim, etc

[calm whale]

im in class, join my wayground quiz the code is 286 804 help me troll join with funny names

[severe river]

Ok thanks for the heads up about ai and teh ten realms are basically this universes different realms similar to Norse mythology Midgard(the present day earth with locations like nyc heart of heaven hydra base etc) and the other 8 realms in Norse mythology but what is 10 usually there is only 9 with the last one being Asgard or in this universes case Yggdrasil so what’s the 10th realm hell?

[worn lichen]

the 10th realm is Heven which is the home of the angels and where Angela was raised, it was cut off from the rest of the realms by Odin after he thought the angels killed his baby (Angela)

[velvet belfry]

so if we get blood hunt but with dracula that does mean we will never get a blood hunt season with varnae himself? like comics. i even dont know they mentioned varnae but that season idea is a good thing

[severe river]

the 10th realm is Heven which is the home of the angels and where Angela was raised, it was cut off from the rest of the realms by Odin after he thought the angels killed his baby (Angela)

thanks also is this accurate to explain the game and its setting :Marvel Rivals is a Super Hero team-based PVP shooter! Assemble an all-star Marvel squad, devise countless strategies by combining powers to form unique Team-Up skills and fight in destructible, ever-changing battlefields across the continually evolving Marvel Universe!

[worn lichen]

yes

[severe river]

i think he was apart of season 1 of marvel rivals there was a statue of him in draculas castle

you are talking about the stone vampire guy with the heart in his hand right?

[velvet belfry]

it was his clone i believe. varnae and dracula have a bad bleef in the universe

[worn lichen]

the stone vampire guy is Bloodstorm One

[severe river]

wait no varnae is the very first vampire in the marvel universe

idk if they will ever bring him back maybe in a event similar to blood hunt in a diffrent timeline but i dont think so

[velvet belfry]

yes the first vampire, the first & true lord of vampires

[severe river]

since season 1 was this universes version of bloodhunt

[velvet belfry]

idk man it shoul be a damn season with varnae. i am happy cause we got dracula alive (and dead again but probably he will will resurrect itself or be resurrected) but with dracula its not feel as the same with varnae's bloodhunt

[severe river]

Maybe in another monster season where varnae is trying to take over monster city(underground monster city on earth with werewolves vampires zombies and more)

what other storylines do you think they should adapt into this unique marvel universe?

[cedar plank]

xmen manson! and professor x as convoy!

[severe river]

guardians season with gamora and drax and ronan the accuser as the villian and knowhere and xandar as the maps or maybe a moon knight season introducing jack russel and man thing with konshu in eygpt with apocolypes at war with konshu or a spiderverse type season with miles and gwen and the main villians being the sinister 6 also in nyc maybe in diffrent corners like hells kitchen the financial district and oscorp and stuff

more places to explore in this marvel universe and more exiting seasons

[simple storm]

You just named 2 movie based plots.
Also Gwen doesn’t do anything differently to Peter to warrant adding her

If you want female spider-rep there’s Jessica Drew and Araña who’ve been around longer than Gwen with different fighting styles

[severe river]

Yes but miles and Gwen first

[simple storm]

Gwen literally doesn’t do anything different to Peter

[severe river]

And they are 2 good plots
The second one Is not even a plot that was done before

They said that she wasn’t going to be a skin like lady Loki but you never know

[simple storm]

Doesn’t mean they’re gonna add her, there’s more interesting spider characters than just the ones from the movies

[severe river]

We already have peni then there’s Gwen miles hobbie Miguel spider woman silk and the rest are either Peter or miles variants or variants of all these listed ones

[simple storm]

So you’re just listing the ones from the movies + silk. Most of them do the same thing

Miguel is a bit different but not by much

[severe river]

Ok who did I forget there’s rec rap that mutated miles half brother guy Madame web

Spider ham

[simple storm]

The ones I think are distinct enough abilities wise are Jessica Drew and Araña

[severe river]

Well while most of them are very similar to Peter but they do have something that makes each one unique like Gwen being more acrobatic and has a higher agility miles has his bio electricity and camouflage silk has organic webs maybe different web types could be used Miguel maybe he could have more futuristic tech and gear into his kit and I am not fully sure about the rest tho don’t know to much about them

[forest aurora]

What’s this chat about

[simple storm]

Jessica Drew has bio electricity and pheromone abilities; Araña could create an exo-skeleton armour

[severe river]

Mainly lore

[severe river]

They could find a way to work it int there kits so they remain separate and unique enough from Peter to be there own characters

[simple storm]

I just gave you characters that are already unique

[severe river]

Also them but also for those characters I mentioned as well

[dusty wasp]

@sonic kindle @willow copper

[sonic kindle]

??

[graceful gate]

Can someone please explain to me what the lore of this game is please?

[empty grove]

long or short version

[chilly nacelle]

Any short version would still be a long version to someone who asks

[graceful gate]

Long but with simple at end please

[stray flower]

if anyone does try this keep in mind if the text is lon enough it will be flagged as spam and not be sent, you may need to split your messages

[gritty dragon]

The "Loose Ends" story ends with a mention of another mind who has the exact same thought patterns as (Rogue) sitting across from Jean Grey in the cafe.

Any thoughts on who this might be? Only one that might come to mind is Carol Danvers. I've never heard of Rogue being... cloned, per se. I had to read the passage twice because my first thought might've been Madelyn Prior, but she's a clone of Jean Grey, and it would only make sense from Rogue's point of view.

[gritty dragon]

Doctor Doom clashes with future Doctor Doom, which causes the Timestream Entanglement All of the multiverse, space, and time has crashed and now past, future, and alternate realities are colliding together. Each season introduces arc villains and problems to overcome, and the heroes are often put at odds with each other as to how to figure out how to fix everything. There will always be new villains and problems to overcome, but it's pretty obvious as a Live Service game, that both Doctor Dooms will likely never be defeated or the multiverse put back to what it was.

[worn lichen]

it's definitely not carol but you're not the first to interpret it that way

[gritty dragon]

My knowledge of Rogue is limited-- I don't know anything about her after the early 2000s storylines.

[worn lichen]

something to consider it doesn't have to be something directly from the comics

this person has the same brain patterns as Rogue, their hair looks like rogues with the white streak in it, and there's not really an existing character that fits besides Rogue - it's probably a clone, possibly created by mr. sinister

[gritty dragon]

Oooh, now you have me intrigued! Thank you for entertaining my question

[worn lichen]

something else to consider is the possibility of it being Rogue Red which is something from the recent Age of Revelation event, which basically Rogue was split by the Collector into 2 versions, rogue green and rogue red, and rogue red was unhappy because Gambit chose rogue green

it would be kinda weird for Rivals to adapt because of how recent it was and how the only reason it happened was because 2 different writers both wanted to use Rogue in their stories in a conflicting way

also worth noting that it was confirmed it's not a 2099 version of Rogue

[severe river]

Basically dr doom and his future 2099 counterpart battled to learn the secrets of the multiverse and ended up causing the multiverse to collapse some timelines were destroyed others merged and some disappeared but our main game universe setting caused 4 timelines(present,2099,collapsing,mosaic) to entangle and merge creating a new universe from there where the game takes place and the heroes are now fighting across the world(present and mystical locations on present earth) time(2099) and space(mosaic) to defeat the dooms and save there new universe and the multiverse

That’s basically it

[graceful gate]

Thank you, and what's going on with the current season?

[severe river]

no probelm and for currently this season there was a incursion between the 2 main timelines the present and 2099 where alchemax hq in nueava york from the year 2099 was sent back in time to its place in the present day nyc and released a 2099 virus that began infecting the present day new york turning it into the futuristic buildings of nueva york and so kingpin(who is mayor after taking credit for stopping dracula back in season 1) pulls a devils reign and outlaws vigilantes locking them up in a high security prison in lower manhatten known as the vualt blaming the heroes for that incursion and so kingpin makes a deal with the guilded saint(search him up if you want more info idk much about him other than he is tied to the thieves guild) if he can give him the tablet of life and time the saint will reverse the damage caused to nyc and so he hires black cat who double crosses him and is working with spider-man and white fox and other undercover heroes in esu to break the heroes out from the vault beat kingpin and stop the temporal plague

[ivory pawn]

Bro. Daredevil born again is ripping off this game

[stray flower]

Clarification for confusion, the timelines/universes did not merge into one and ifgg88 refuses to accept this even though two of us have stated and used in game evidence of this but the 4 timelines did get changed and affected, heroes perished or were displaced between them, Knull got awakened by the entanglement causing the season 0 Wakanded and Season 3 Klyntar events, the Collapsing Chronoverse was in fact created from a merge of realities from various unversesincluding Heaven and K'un Lun from the Present Chronoverse and of course Krakoa was flung into the 2099 Chronoverse but otherwise yes, now the heroes must jump between universes to handle both the troubles caused by Doom and the ones caused by other things (Knull, The Collector and Kingpin would have done their thing regardless of Doom's interference though Dracula and the K'un Lun tournament are directly egged on by Doom) with the most recent one being the incursion between the Present and 2099 Chronoverses and Kingpin SHIELD AND Tiger Division all warning the heroes that further travel between Chrnoverses may speed up the rate of incursions which might lead to White Fox fighting her fellow Agents of Atlas to stop them from interfering in the other Chronoverses even when required

[simple storm]

Avengers PvP looks kinda mid

[stray flower]

honestly I do agree a bit, specially since it seems Loki's abilities will have half of his actively work against himself in some way shape or form as long as Cap is alive with his Shield

[severe river]

It just seems to make the most sense or at least the timeline crossing is between mainly the present and 2099 and the other timelines became more like well zones I just see the whole merge/entangled into a new universe makes a lot of sense plus when I first asked 1 person here said I was correct

Also wish that the avengers gamemode was in a time square nyc map

[stray flower]

I am confused as to why they did not make it at Avengers Tower, they already used said Tower for the Blood Hunt map, they could have done something with that

[severe river]

True they should have made it where you start in Times Square then work your way to avengers tower to fight Loki and maybe give Loki player a chitari army to control and lead

[steep jasper]

I'm kinda sad path to doomsday doesn't apear to be lore relevant. Unless it's about overthrowing loki in yggsgard it just looks like an arcade mode. Was kinda hoping it'd be part of the story like bloodhunt ngl

[simple storm]

I kinda expected it to be unrelated since it’s based on the mcu, assuming they continue this pattern with the next movies I assumed it might allude to season 9 we get Thanos and season 11 we get doom since that’s around when the event timeline would matchup

[steep jasper]

i mean i thought it'd be like zombies. Same logo, same skins but original story

[neon elk]

so i think for the 'Loose Ends' frame, i could be Captain Marvel and Cyclops, since Rogue basically did do a Long-term Absorb on some of Captain Marvel's memories and Psyche in the past. and Cyclops might be in Alchemax?
what do you guys think?

[rapid bay]

We’ve been over this so many times
The lady there is most likely a Sinister clone of Rogue

[neon elk]

but that mean she has the same powers as Rogue?

[simple storm]

At this point it’s all but confirmed the next characters are cyclops and devil Dino (with maybe moon girl)

[dire zealot]

Do they give a penalty for searching for a game, for installing skin mods, or for being kicked from the game for 1 AFK?

[severe river]

Do you think we are going to get another map back in New York or somewhere else on earth or do you think that it will be in the future aka 2099

Hopefully a bit of both with season 8 taking place in nyc and season 9 is traveling back to 2099 to defeat what looks like the main villian is mr sinister making clones of the heroes

[snow terrace]

hi

[simple storm]

I was hoping to see more 2099 stuff this season so hopefully next season actually focuses on that side

I’ve been wanting proper 2099 skins for characters not just rivals original ones like spider-man, hulk, venom

[stray flower]

most likely we will be dealing with 2099 characters next season due to Alchemax involvement and Krakoa being there so Cyclops has connections there, though I hope whatever they do it involves more than just Tokyo 2099, perhaps we shall finally visit New York 2099?

after all, the 2099 Alchemax of Tokyo does not look like the invading one, so another location would make sense, and it could be fun seeing those heroes too

[severe river]

Maybe looks like we might be time traveling back to 2099 in nueva york also do you guys think that alchemax hq will be sent back to the future next season or do you guys think it is a permenant part of this universes nyc not complaining would be really cool if so if not won’t really make much of a difference

[severe river]

Hopefully with more mutants we visit more locations across this new universe like mojo world or the x-mansion or maybe Egypt or the savage land knowhere xandar avengers mansion(if this universes earth is similar to 616 then maybe someday we could get a map in that location)genosha madripoor(either the one in 2099 or the modern day one either is fine) kamar taj and other iconic locations from the marvel universe

[stray flower]

It would not surprise if Kamar Taj got dragged into the Collapsing Chronoverse wars actually, Nightcrawler might also have to deal with that since, travels through Mephisto's Domain, but we'll see, Mutants can literally be anywhere and anywhen

[rapid bay]

What if Nightcrawler got hit the same way Cloak and Dagger did
The entanglement happened right as he was jumping through the sulfur dimension (that’s what it’s called right?)

[stray flower]

Brimstone ... which is another name for Sulfur if memory serves right

so ... yesn't? It's funny learning of all these mythological metals that turn out to be real metals whose properties were not yet understood and are now in a weird position for both existing in stories and/or being their own thing

[chilly nacelle]

Anyone know if the new pve is lore related since we get gallery cards as 7.5 cause if it is, is it after the rogue and jean gallery card or before

[neon elk]

it is lore related

[worn lichen]

your question can be answered by reading the gallery cards - the rogue and jean gallery card mention Dracula having been defeated for a 2nd time

[severe river]

It takes place after the heroes defeat Dracula again and bringing kingpin down

So the bloodhunt event is lore related since when spider-man and the other heroes launched a prison break to free captain america Dracula broke free and stole a norn stone from the vault before escaping and trying to start the eternal night all over again until the strike team of heroes defeated him again turning him to stone

[severe river]

do you think that we will get more incursions between the present day and 2099 since that started this whole conflict and created this new universe so maybe in the end of the year during doomsday doom teams up with the heroes to stop said incursion saving both the present and future and maybe doom 2099 becoming a major threat and 2 maps of doomstadt one in the present day and the other back in 2099

[worn lichen]

i would hope we get incursions between all timelines because the collapsing and mosaic timelines have been underused

[stray flower]

I do think Collapsing and Mosaic Chronoverses are far more likely Incursion targets, though I do not know which yet (or if it will be between the two), seeing as White Fox specifically contacted Lin Lie, we might be getting a Collapsing Timeline Incursion next, perhaps Present invading Collapsing? SHIELD might take interest, though Konshu could cause some chaos

[low crag]

Why Emma frost call Jeffrey Jefferson her baby

[somber latch]

The zombies one was just a straight alternate timeline right

[severe river]

I don’t think they should since they don’t really act as timeline but more like locations in this new universe with the mosaic just being the deep space of this universe and the collapsing mystical locations on earth and the main conflict is between the present and the 2099

[severe river]

Ye it is a story in another timeline not the new marvel rivals universe where the story takes place in

[somber latch]

Did we know Dracula was in jail? I just assumed he was dead

[severe river]

No we all thought he was dead

Also what do you think about the universe of marvel rivals and how the 4 main timelines merged/entagled into a new universe where the game takes place in and structured similar to any other universe with 2099 in the distant future needing time travel to reach and the present day earth being the modern day earth of this universe and the collapsing timelines locations being brought out of there pocket dimensions and are now at war with each other like kun lun vs the other capital cities of heaven and the mosaic timeline being the space of this universe

[simple storm]

I think the smart thing to do with the avengers pvp mode is to update it instead of rotate, like when age of ultron event happens keep Loki as an option since most of the avengers are gonna be the same anyways + scarlet witch
Idk what they’re gonna go for endgame tho different to infinity war

[severe river]

hopefully they do also thoughts on: Also what do you think about the universe of marvel rivals and how the 4 main timelines merged/entagled into a new universe where the game takes place in and structured similar to any other universe with 2099 in the distant future needing time travel to reach and the present day earth being the modern day earth of this universe and the collapsing timelines locations being brought out of there pocket dimensions and are now at war with each other like kun lun vs the other capital cities of heaven and the mosaic timeline being the space of this universe

[severe river]

do you think maybe in endgame or infinity war we would have thanos at that time and he would be able to command or control his army of chitari maybe more players join the enemy team as the black order

[simple storm]

You’d think squirrel girl and Thor would have a team up by now with the obvious connection of ratatoskr

[quaint lance]

A season with sabretooth and kraven with the name THE HUNT IS ON would’ve been wayyyy better

And how is sabretooth not mentioned in wolverines lore card not Evan the slightest mention in there

[severe river]

Pretty solid idea honestly plus that those two guys with the map of the savage land and the main villain being that dinosaur pterodactyl guy whatever his name was

What would be kraven and sabertooth be vanguard strategist duelist

[severe river]

Maybe he is still lost in this new universe plus so far there was no need to mention him but maybe soon he might finally reference him maybe he was in the savage land or maybe he was sent into 2099 when the new universe was created by the timestream entanglement

[quaint lance]

Just want him in the game already

[stray flower]

How many times must we state that no they are not a single universe and that this has been explicitly stated multiple times before with the most recent relevant one being the same one I used to suggest the Collapsing timeline Incursion as the most likely next Incursion: White Fox directly confronting Iron Fist to stop traveling to the Collapsing (or any) Chronoverse and stay and focus only in the Present Chronoverse situations

[severe river]

About 3,483 times before😂

Agree to disagree

[severe river]

Agreed

[severe river]

And I have searched and asked multiple other people who knew more about it and many agreed

[stray flower]

I'm not entirely sure they are agreeing to what you think you are saying as sometimes you swap between the things being "Part of the same Universe" and "Handled as if they are part of the same Universe" in your wording, even then ever since the incursions started neither of those are possible now as those are explicitly clashes between universes

[severe river]

I actually mentioned the whole merge thing so I am pretty sure they knew what I meant

[severe river]

If you check here he was able to confirm it when I first asked

[rapid bay]

1. They are not the same universes
2. They are four separate universes
3. They are not merged together

[tiny escarp]

where is Betsy Braddock have been ?
Like in marvel rivals verse

[rapid bay]

She’s not mentioned though Ill bet the Captain Britain Corps is gonna get involved soon

[tiny escarp]

Anything but not a skin for sai
I will hate it

[severe river]

I know they are not the same universe second I know that they are 4 separate timelines but again you don’t see any dimensional travel in the game before the match starts except for 2099 which only that would count second many interactions imply or explain that it merged since many characters mention space travel instead of dimensional travel and dimension travel is only seen or mystical locations that have come out of there original planes like kun lun

[rapid bay]

Do you think the starting a match “cutscenes” override direct statements in the lore?

[severe river]

I think she does not exist I could be wrong on this but sai is meant to be this universes phsylock so maybe she does not exist or like spooder said she could be captain britain

[rapid bay]

Also the voicelines aren’t canon you can’t really take anything from them since they contradict the lore completely in some places

[severe river]

No but I am saying that they imply that dimensional travel is not really needed except for 2099

[tiny escarp]

Except deadpool

[severe river]

How many interactions are about previous seasons like this season with Deadpool and rogue

[rapid bay]

That doesn’t even make sense
The travel you see there is from a position in 2099 to a position in 2099

[tiny escarp]

Hopefully she is captain Britain in this verse

[severe river]

Ok no that’s right it is to reach spider islands from Tokyo 2099 but even the comics don’t seem to mention dimension travel

[rapid bay]

I’d take either Brian or Betsy as Captain Britain as long as the other gets a swap skin

[tiny escarp]

Swap skin?

[rapid bay]

Either the Fury or Mad Jim Jaspers should be added with Captain Britain

[rapid bay]

Like Lady Loki

[tiny escarp]

That would great

[tiny escarp]

Ohh I got it better Brian as skin

[severe river]

Checked online and asked others and I mentioned the timelines merging or entangling and agreed

[rapid bay]

They’re entangled, not merged together
The only merging happening is the mosaic chronoverse

[severe river]

But the present day earth has the mystical locations like kun lun revealed along with the other capital cities of heaven which are at war with each other and other mystical beings and the mosaics being the space of that universe

[rapid bay]

1. The Heart of Heaven is a natural thing that happens on a cycle. It was not caused to happen for the first time by the Entanglement
2. The reason the Mosaic focuses on space is because all the space characters are from there and it’s constituent universes

[severe river]

1. I know but it was early because of the timestream entanglement
2. The interaction between iron man and black panther explain how the present day earth and the mosaic space share the same well outer space and implying the mosaics earth is the present earth because of the timestream entanglement

[rapid bay]

Multiple interactions contradict the lore. They are not canon. It is stated in the lore that they are four SEPARATE UNIVERSES. If you cant deal with that I can’t help you figure it out

[tiny escarp]

Speak about universe where did Deadpool bring rescued monsters after season 6?

[severe river]

He rescued them from the collectors theme park after season 6 he brought them back to Krakoa for gambit and rouges wedding before opening a krakoan time portal back to the present day nyc

[rapid bay]

He made the Monster Kingdom in NYC
Capwolf escaped and was involved in the Blood Hunt

[tiny escarp]

NYC is the present day?

[severe river]

Yes it’s basically the main location of this universe

Present earth became the normal earth of this universe

[tiny escarp]

Capwolf is just alternate version of cap right according to lore wise?

[severe river]

Yes but he is also 616 cap before he was frozen and cured and same goes for Frankencastle

Who I think maybe left this universe

[severe river]

Look I hear you but the main timelines that are being traveled to and from is the 2099 and present and there are interactions that help make the lore more clear

[tiny escarp]

Didn't present timeline cap is dead that's why there is a statue of cap in times square? 616 is present timeline right?

[severe river]

Look the present timeline is a 616 adjacent so it’s very similar to 616. All the comic history is there and everything but there are some slight differences like for example some characters like Captain America in that present timeline is dead he died before the event of the time stream entanglement that entangled and merged those four main timelines into this new universe so we get the 2099 cap as our captain america

[simple storm]

So you want 2 psylockes in game

Psylocke has a greyed out lore bit called “light of Avalon” or something anyways so presumably captan Britain skin

[simple storm]

Technically there’s a greyed out lore bit for psylocke that references Avalon but those are usually placeholders

[severe river]

I mean can that still work her as a separate character I mean

Is she different enough

[simple storm]

You can say that for a lot of characters I’d still rather have distinct characters first

[simple storm]

They were both basically psylocke until recently but still has the same psylocke powers on top of being Captain Britain

Sai is neither Kwannon or Betsy anyways

[severe river]

I know but maybe they have a interaction on how Betsy was the og phsylock and a passing of the torch thing and I know about the Betsy and Kwannon thing what a mess

How do think the games story will end le_ jinn do you think the timelines will separate from a single to separate timelines again or do you think it’s a permanent change

[simple storm]

How do you think overwatch will end? The answer is they won’t until they start being too unpopular

[severe river]

Ok but if you had to end it how would you

Just the story the game will continue just the main story

[simple storm]

I mean the nature of marvel and other comic stories is most things don’t really “end” just paused temporarily until whatever threat re-emerges

[stray flower]

Actually as I stated before K'un Lun is no longer in the Present Chronoverse at all, it's in the Collpasing Chronoverse, this has been stated by the devs as well, and it's again the entire reason why the importance of Iron Fist being the one not to bu jumping between timelines is notable as as of right now he is the only character who is basically required to jump between chronoverses frequently to check with Shou Lou and does not have a known stable method of travel like the Krakoan portals that got overcharged with Chronovium and can travel between chronoverses and whatever in the world Shuri has on control that has connected to both 2099 (Cap's Season 0 Story) and present (Black Panther's Season 1 story)

[severe river]

When did the devs say it was in the collapsing timeline

[glacial heath]

HOW

[stray flower]

Season 4 Dev Letter (the ones that appear when you boot up the game and that they post on twitter) it states that at that point the Collapsing timeline had not yet been visited and that it was it's turn, it makes direct comment to Reed's and Shuri's observations of said 4 Chronoverses and though it calls it a theory, it either uses the scientific definition of theory (fact unless new evidence that challenges everything we know comes out) or is just true since 3 other recognized scientists (Shuri, Tony, and Peter) and 3 separate government organizations/groups (SHIELD, Tiger Division, and Kingpin's government) have all corroborated that informations

[severe river]

But they never seemed to have dimension traveled but more like returned to earth to reach kun lun

[stray flower]

Doesn't matter that we do not see the travel, this is a stated fact

The fact we do not have visuals of travel between Chronoverses does not override the fact that it happens, as has been stated by the Devs, by the Scientists inside the game and by the Sorcerer Supremes of these Realities (that is another important note, both Strange and Scarlett Witch hold the Sorcerer supreme title and there is no conflict about it because they are the Sorcerer Supreme of 2 different coexisting universes)

[severe river]

So what there is like 4 earths in each timeline instead of it just being 1 main earth

[stray flower]

Yes, well or at least theoretically as we have no explicit confirmation that Mosaic timeline Earth is intact either due to time since Wakanda departed or affected by the Timestream Entanglement but yes

[severe river]

So we have 3 earths 2 which make sense(present and 2099) and we have the earth with all the supernatural forces on it and there’s present I guess is shared by the mosaic timeline since it’s basically just the deep space for the present and 2099

[glad rapids]

does jeff have lore

[severe river]

Ok and also the synopsis of the game specifically states and says a ever evolving marvel universe not multiverse universe and there’s heroes are from the multiverse

[severe river]

Yeah so he is likely from the present timeline and was badly injured when he was on a mission with Deadpool so the collector saved him but wiped all his memories of Deadpool locking him up in a case before escaping with mantis and phsylock and returning to earth and joining the other heroes navigating through there new universe born from the timestream entanglement

[glad rapids]

aw poor jeffy

[stray flower]

The synopsis for the game might be from a time while they were still figuring out what the world/worlds might be, it cannot and would not supercede new dev statements since, in-game information both from release and from the newer updates, or related promotional content organized by the devs (the Dev Letters are technically part of that group but it also would encompass things like event teasers that establish event lore, like the Zombies timeline being a completely separate universe)

[severe river]

I don’t think so since I am sure they would at least change it or fix it. To make it accurate or maybe it is a single merged world but the different parts that are from seperate timelines are like zones so when you cross it the universe becomes less stable or is 4 timelines into 1 universe but it functions like a normal universe

[stray flower]

Even in Battleworld a Universe being formed from the fragments of other universes does not destabilize when crossing between them because they become a single universe, Incursions are explicitly, in every instance they have appeared so far, a clash between universes, and how it is treated by SHIELD and Tiger Division. They have no reason to change the synopsis because of two reasons: once you actually download the game absolutely nobody cares about the synopsis, and the majority of the promotional drive is streamers and other things that either explicitly mention the different universes (lore creators) or care only about the gameplay (competitive players) once you are in game the clarification is made and the synopsis does not matter, even other Marvel games with Multiversal storylines like Contest of Champions have promotional material or otherwise relevant pages state it takes place in "the Marvel Universe" even though it takes place in Battleworld, a world outside the universe that explicitly drags in characters from across the multivers

[severe river]

Yes but this is not a clean merge there are still parts that are unstable Mainly locations form the collapsing timeline

[stray flower]

You mean the entire Collapsing Chronoverse? The Collapsing Chronoverse by it's nature cannot be part of the same universe, since the entire concept behind it is that it's a Collapsing univetse

[severe river]

Just the mystical locations

The rest of the universe is dying in the deep parts of the multiverse

[stray flower]

nothing says oly the mystical locations are collapsing, it says the mystical beings are clashing but that the universe itself is being held together by the Scarlet Witch, and since I finally returned to my computer I can use a quote "When the immense tides of temporal power threatened to tear this universe apart, it was Wanda who felt the surge and turned it aside." from Wanda's character story

[severe river]

No they are the only locations that were transferred to there original locations back on the main modern earth and yes th scarlet witch is holding together this new universe along with others like galacta and the web of life and destiny(or well I guess the web is a catalyst that holds the multiverse including this new universe together instead of just this world specifically)

[chilly nacelle]

Isn’t the only confirmed true ending we got in marvel is eddies eventuality

[severe river]

What

[chilly nacelle]

The black hand thing from eddies futures

[severe river]

I meant the ending to the games story and I think they defeat doom and save the multiverse but the heroes and there new universe remain

So basically they don’t untangle/unnerve and remain the way they are and the heroes basically become the residents of that new universe

[chilly nacelle]

Yeah but I meant what Le_jinn said of marvel comics having no “ending”

[severe river]

Oh yeah like the comics basically the main timeline 616 comics have a never needing story where it’s just a different threat so the story never ends

[stray flower]

Well that's disingenuous, the Web of Life and Destiny is a Multiversal concept and though 2099 receives the brunt of it, it holds the multiverse together, and Eanda's story that I quoted makes three important statements: "Wanda knew she was, in the end, her reality's last line of defense, the only magical force capable of keeping the conflicting timestreams from ripping her world apart." Multiple distinctions between "her reality" and "other Realities": "'But in this world, his castle has been empty for a long time.'

In my world, his castle isn't empty. But it also isn't in Transylvania anymore.

'Oh? Where is it?'

Central Park." (Notably, she would notice the amount of Magic Dracula is using as well) and though these two are very conclusive by themselves I can add Wanda's machinations with the darkhold to save her reality to further solidify the whole "different universe" importance "If she could possess it, delve into and master its mysteries, Wanda suspected she could at long last stop the decay of her universe."

[severe river]

Yeah and she left her reality to go to the new merged reality to fight and save it and get the darkhold to save her universe that is being destroyed

[ember moon]

I think when thanos comes Jeff will get the infinity gauntlet

[severe river]

Plus in May interactions she mentions saving the timestream not multiple timestreams single

[severe river]

It would not make a difference before Jeff escaped with mantis and phsylock he broke into the collectors vault and ate everything in there including the infinity stones

[stray flower]

Which would mean the Collapsing Universe, where K'un Lun landed, cannot be part of the Present Universe as you have stated so boldly before

[severe river]

Single timestream which is the universe where the game takes place on the present day earth with some mystical locations from the present like kun lun and others from the collapsing timeline

[stray flower]

A: we've stated before that interactions often contradict themselves and are not reliable B: timestream, universe, world, and reality are often used interchangeably when the communication does not require hyper specificity or when the characters themselves are unsure of what the situation actually is, and the only thing they know is that they don't share realities

Also with how time happens between travel time itself might be synchronized between universes, time still progresses at the same rate in 2099 even while the heroes are active in Manhattan, Timestream can both mean a single universe, as well as multiple

[severe river]

Look I will just say agree or disagree since we keep doing this I say something then you say something back so I will just try not to mention it much just to stop this

[severe river]

That makes the most sense since heroes can travel to wakanda from both the present day and 2099 without and changes to characters time and age

Thought of the same thing as well

[severe river]

Ok?

[severe river]

Also about the timestream thing: While "timestream" generally refers to the flow of time, in this game, it describes the collision and merging of multiple timelines and realities into a single, fractured state

[low crag]

What's my lore guys since I'm the most important marvel character

[simple storm]

One of namors eunuch concubines

[surreal rock]

I kinda want to see how a 2 peni, 2 namor, 2 mantis comp would go

[crisp kernel]

Lore? Uh Jeff is a god sent from Asgard to be a spy

[signal prism]

Hey everyone

[alpine crater]

[wispy shuttle]

Nah 2 invis

[severe river]

I wanna sea just a comp between spider-man venom

[simple storm]

Do you think the monster kingdom will be relevant in a future season?

[surreal rock]

The mantis is specifically because of the ult but two invis sounds strong too

[silk palm]

Yeah I could see it being a map

[stray flower]

If it isn't in the next 4 seasons I'll actually be annoyed, I want to see the kingdom more and the antics DP and Elsa do there, but I also understand an attempt to not have a single chronoverse appear back to back or otherwise close to each other (unless the story was designed as a 2 parter, looking at the elders)

[unkempt canyon]

magik was on the island

[stray flower]

Whatever island it could possibly be I'm sure she was slaying, both figuratively and literally if anyone evil was present

[royal vortex]

Could anyone gift its my bd and my parents are out of town

[sly pulsar]

Is anyone else bothered by Moon Knight's characterization in this game? His edge seems to be played for laughs and I can't see any mention of Steven or Jake besides that one voice line (that is also played for laughs)

[stray flower]

Moon Knight is weird when it comes to serious characterization, Steven and Jake have been used to mess with Spider-Man, and Taskmaster outright refuses to fight him because of just how insane he is, down to flying a plane into the guy, which is also meant to be highly comedic, that and how memeable his panels are (5 Dollars, and Random Bull&#!%) make him be seen as far less serious, and the Rivals Devs are known to frequently reference memes (Low Taper Fade for Blade and Jeff, and the Umm Actually Venom) so Moon Knight is going to struggle being treated seriously in this enviroment

[sly pulsar]

I know about some of that, but my main exposure to the character was the show, I wish the DID got more spotlight honestly. The devs aren't writing Steven and Jake out of the story or anything but they don't get a SINGLE line? really?

[lilac barn]

I mean in some moon knight runs he doesn’t even say when he switches personalities. Could be that he switches through different personalities but just doesn’t make a big scene out of it

[sly pulsar]

Possible but the other alters would be masking in that case, as in they'd be trying to act like Marc to not give away they're the one fronting now. Which, yeah, happens but it's probably more likely the writers just don't want to deal with Steven/Jake

[lilac barn]

I mean not neccecarily. Cause some of moon knights lines are too unserious to be mark. And also up until 2016:s Jeff lemire run Jake lockley was more of a people’s pleaser persona and he could be oddly similar to mark, as seen in vengeance of the moon knight from 2014. So could just me unclear. But yeah no I still agree with them lowballing his character

[simple storm]

I found there’s a visual representation of the lore on lorecodex that details each timeline ands who’s from where and alliances

[worn lichen]

i saw that earlier today and it's decent, but it also makes a bunch of things up

[languid tree]

Who would be the most powerful character in game lore wise? Phoenix right?

[stark echo]

hmmm i feel like strong contenders might be like hela, strange, wanda, iron fist?, adam, hulk

[languid tree]

I think phoenix is the strongest, but all of these u mentioned are strong as well. I'd add angela there as well because of her xiphos and the silk ribbons of heven

[native slate]

Phoenix Wright? (Sorry for the joke)

[languid tree]

deadpool we know it's you.

[languid tree]

Though, could u elaborate how hulk is that strong? I mean, I partially know what he can do, but I don't think he is as strong as phoenix, hela, wanda or strange, no?

[native slate]

I mean, he defeated the one below all (I think he's called that way) (Maybe I'm onto something rn)

[languid tree]

Oh I thought u meant the one above all lol. Though I never knew he actually killed one below all, is it from hulk comics?

[native slate]

(Sorry if I'm missinformating too)

[languid tree]

Nah it's alright. Though I'm still not sure how he compares to the others I mentioned, from what the other person said

[native slate]

I searched it up, he hasn't defeated him, but Hulk can fight him without problem, and yes, is the hulk of the cómics

[languid tree]

Well if he was fighting him with no problem, it means he is stronger than one below all no?

[native slate]

I don't know how scaling works, but I THINK is that way

[languid tree]

Phoenix gotta be top 1 lore wise, top 2 wanda ig?

[languid tree]

Well just think about it, if he was fighting one below all with no problem, this must mean that he is atleast slightly stronger

[native slate]

Maybe I'm saying trash atp, but, Gambit without the inhibitors in his brain (or something like that) he could be in that top

[languid tree]

From what I know about hulk, he could be in the top 10. If I had to make it, then phoenix would be 1st BY FAR, in the top 10 we can also put magik, wanda, strange, hulk as we just mentioned, and some other

lore-wise, highest form of phoenix, The White Phoenix of the Crown, has apeiron level of power if we look at power scaling

[worn lichen]

the one below all is just an aspect of the one above all, Hulk didn't defeat it exactly because it's not something you can defeat, but he did effectively seal it away

regardless, the Hulk is still one of the strongest ones there is

[languid tree]

Which place in top 10 characters from marvel rivals lore wise would u place him

[worn lichen]

top 3

[languid tree]

I’m assuming he’s on 3rd place then

[worn lichen]

im sure some would argue otherwise but i'm not into powerscaling so i dont really care either way tbh

[languid tree]

Well I mean the top 2 is pretty hard to beat with them being multiversal+, but I’d say hulk earned his place in the top

[simple storm]

Loki can copy anyone plus isn’t he god of stories

In the avengers PvP the announcer is him labelled as god of stories

[worn lichen]

its weird because that's been the goal of Rivals Loki but he hasnt achieved it yet

[rapid bay]

I mean
It’s pretty clear that the avengers pvp isn’t canon

[worn lichen]

well, the gallery card mentions Rivals Loki watching the events of his doomsday variant

making the avengers pvp just a different timeline thats otherwise irrelevant to rivals lore

regardless we just lack info either way to say confidently what's going on and how relevant it is

[rapid bay]

No that’s talking about the Loki variant from the show watching what happened to the prime Loki

[languid tree]

Not anyone, because there are exceptions, and his cloning ability isn't as good as it looks. God of stories yes

Loki could take 3rd place instead of hulk, some would argue that maybe 2nd

if we are talking lore wise

[worn lichen]

yeah i mean that doesnt really make any sense because for one, they both experienced the same events, it was after this that they split off, and he calls the Loki his variant when in fact HE is the variant, created when the avengers went back in time to get the stones

[stray flower]

All variants call each other variant because unless they are aware that they are the true prime version (for the MCU, the sacred timeline versions, which cannot interact with the others without becoming a variant) they will usually still rather consider themselves the original, even the TVA Loki calls other Lokis "Variants of Me"

Anyway I am late to the discussion but God of Stories Loki, White Queen Phoenix, and Sinister Strange are who I can think of the top of my head for top 3 characters lore wise being Multiversal level beings but nothing higher, though Living Tribunal Adam is weird lore wise as though the 8 Cosmic beings that the Living Tribunal is a part of seem to be Multiversal they don't really have a lot of power to use without condition, the living Tribunal has immense power vut is seemingly bound to the trials and has often been defeated by relatively weak beings when talking about multiversal level threaths

But herald of the 4th Cosmos, Scarlet Witch also has insane power, and boosted Gambit (Herald of Galactus Gambit) and Spider-Man (Cosmic Spider) are other instances of really powerful versions of characters

Thing is, when looking at variants of characters we can go literally anywhere, so let's look first at only the characters currently in game, and I'd give it to Phoenix and Venom ... if the latter did claim the King in Black title

[worn lichen]

yeah if we're going with the strongest versions then in a timeline that was averted, TOBA Hulk wipes out the entire eighth cosmos, then continues onto the ninth cosmos and wipes that out too lol

[stray flower]

Yeah

Again, if we are going base/playable characters, Phoenix and Venom (if he claimed the title) are top 2 as Primordial Forces, if we add versions that are available as Skins God of Stories Loki joins the top ranks while many characters climb many spots as well

[stray flower]

I keep thinking of this, because like Omega level Mutants are annoying to powerscale (give me literal freezing he'll IceMan PLEASE) and Storm navigated Krakoa and Arakko through the Entanglement, and Wanda is literally keeping a universe from Collapsing, but like, does this mean anything for literal Multiversal Constant Phoenix? Or force equivalent to the Beyonders King in Black title that should be Venom's right now?

[worn lichen]

idk she was dealing with Knull and doing other stuff out in the universe

[languid tree]

I'll agree that they're all multiversal, but white phoenix is a lot higher than that

white phoenix resides in the white hot room, which is above the marvel multiverse and acts as a nexus of all realities

She is basically one with the WHR, and it's located outside of time and space from the multiverse

I ranked her that high because she was literally holding universes in the palm of her hand and bringing them back to life, and the only way to actually defeat her is ultimate destruction of all life, because she is a conceptual being of life and rebirth, she is fully immortal as long as life exists in any form in the multiverse

[severe river]

Hey is the heart of heaven in the kun lun mountains since they were forced out of there pocket dimension early

[atomic ferry]

Hey appreciate your feedback. Unfortunately I think I sourced some info from incorrect wikis and things sometimes are inaccurate. Could you lmk which things are misinfo so I can correct?

[severe river]

if you want there are videos that explain the lore of the game and the characters the 2 i reccomend are just wessin and osuchin

[worn lichen]

is it good if I dm you? I can go through it more thoroughly tomorrow but I have some immediately feedback I can give on it

[atomic ferry]

yupp

[worn lichen]

sent a friend request since you have dms set to friends only

[compact gust]

Can ironman Stops viltrumites? no Godkiller Armor

[severe river]

No viltrumites are already seen to be extremely durable and almost unkillable and iron man has never faced anyone like him but depending on which one like if it was 616 iron man then he can kill some viltrumites since he has had experience and time and fought bigger bads than viltrumites

Also if we are talking 616 iron man I am sure he has some sonic armour and weapons that can hurt viltrumites and even if not he has his mysteriam suit which is invulnerable and impossible to destroy and can likely kill many viltrumites

[low crag]

Why does squirrel girl wear thigh high socks

[low crag]

Can Ragnar's kill viltrumites?

[severe river]

Yes they can rip them apart very easily you should watch the show to see it they even ripped out conquest eye and ripped off his arm but to be fair he was infected by the scourge virus but still

[low crag]

Can scorpion from mortal Kombat beat a viltrumite

[severe river]

Maybe

[low crag]

Okay yeah scorpion can win but that's if which ever viltrumite he is against his hellfire is supernatural potentially bypass durability

[tropic niche]

Doomsday movie is going to be a disappointment or a mid movie

[stray flower]

Even with errors this is really cool (and the other ones that are up are also cool, Overwatch is also a funky thing so it's nice this exists) as for what I believe may have caused some of the confusion in the Wiki's "traits" which are things actually in the game, but that are not used for the lore, instead being used for Achievments, with that list being referred to when seeing if you complete one, like Storm's assisting X-Men or the Guardians of the Galaxy assisting each other. The main reason I notice that is Marvel Knights that have the "trait" and the Ultron Files mention of Widow being a part of them, but no single other appearance so yeah, hope this does help

[stray flower]

The Marvel Knights has been fixed I see, neat, good to see the work progress making this cleaner and accurate: )

I am still sad the Eternity Knights got shunned for blood hunt, I like their choices but like, having the canon squad would have been cool

[rapid bay]

They probably just couldn’t get iron man to work which
Yeah I don’t think any flyers would ever

Not to say that’s the only reason they used basically the same roster

[worn lichen]

yeah, i've been leaving feedback with him and he's also made a discord for the site to leave feedback in

[modern flint]

Any lore in the new vampire mode for characters? I remember zombies had character bios and jeff became the king of atlantis

[worn lichen]

the difference is that zombies was non-canon/a different timeline hence there was bios justifying why these characters were involved

blood hunt IS canon so there's no extra lore here, these characters are the same ones involved in the rest of the story

[marsh sand]

who is better for spidey mj or black cat?

[stray flower]

... that is a debate I am not touching with a 10 foot pole, not only could I get crucified, inconsistent writing and so many other things make this a genuinely very complex topic . . .

Anyway... New Marauders vs Guardians of the Galaxy, which of the two groups clears out a vault faster? For the sake of minimizing confusion, New Marauders is all 6 characters with a skin in the theme + Jeff, and Guardians of the Galaxy is the 5 in the game + Drax and Gamora (so 7 and 7)

The vault is guarded by an average military faction's (SHIELD, NOVA, or other) regular vault protection team (so like 10 guys with guns?)

[worn lichen]

guardians for sure

[marsh sand]

my bad i had no idea it was dat deep i just wanna give spidey someone to love on my island cuz he got rejected by velma

[low crag]

Is Emma frost a man

[zealous spruce]

of course he is, look at those thighs

[somber latch]

What is the "war of the realms" theme supposed to even be based on

[simple storm]

The literal comic event

[somber latch]

You think I read comics

[simple storm]

You asked I answered, I haven’t read that event I just know it exists so I can’t say anything about it

[wispy shuttle]

I feel like the guardians would do that for a living

[stray flower]

ok but, Tony, Punisher and Deadpool have insane fire power for forceful entries, and Emma and Psylocke have perfect stealth tools, not counting infinite eating space Jeffy

[agile marsh]

Dead chat lol

[normal cedar]

Hello can I have Someone that can teach me very well dm me please

[vivid rain]

So is the whole reason these events even happen is because Doom is essentially holding a grudge against the multiverse?

[stray flower]

I mean ... sort of? Two Dooms being Doom cause a massive event, and the ramifications lead to various effects, how much a Doom involves themselves in each specific event varies, Doom gave Dracula the idea for Eternal Night, Ultron's Hellfire attack was entirely caused by Doom 2099's actions, and it's Doom that both calls the tournament for the power of Shou Lao and put Loki as a champion, but every other event has happened irregardless of Doom outside of the Catalyst being caused by Doom, the Entanglement awoke Knull but everything there would have happened irregardless of Dooms meddling, the Incursion happens because of the Entanglement but everything else is Kingpin's design and both things with the Elders of the Universe were only because of the Elders of the Universe even if for all 4 of those events listed not caused by them a Doom is gaining something

[vivid rain]

So it's Kingpin wanting to expand beyond the multiverse and the different versions of doom being petty?

[stray flower]

Nah, it's the Doom's being too ambitious while Cosmic beings and Kingpin try to make the best of their situations, for Kingpin that means consolidating his power over Manhattan

[stray flower]

you mentioned a Discord right? do you know where I could find it, I have a suggestion I tought of when looking at the 2 Dooms actions throughtout the seasons

[worn lichen]

i can dm you the invite

[stray flower]

sure, thanks

[bright current]

Hi

[grim plinth]

hmm

[abstract plover]

Drax found dead in lower Manhattan 🙏

[quaint lance]

A season with sabretooth and kraven with the name THE HUNT IS ON would’ve been wayyyy better

[indigo drift]

Why is sports team recruiting in lore chat?

Are they st

[marble ember]

Bro cooked right here

[olive torrent]

Yeah that or sinister Six season would be cool

[soft dome]

so

we need some agent of atlas recognition

[olive torrent]

I totally agree

I would love to see gorilla-man

[indigo drift]

Say Panini Parmesan if you’re a real human

[soft dome]

that sounds so good rn

[rapid bay]

There’s literally two members already in the game

[soft dome]

right and we need more (ps its 3)

[simple storm]

I refuse to believe there were agents of atlas fans before rivals. They’re only in the game because of the nepo child that is Luna

[somber latch]

Agreed

[stray flower]

They certainly weren't well known but reminder that they include Iron Fist, and though Lin Lie has always been controversial he is a large enough character to call attention to his team

[simple storm]

I actually like lin lie, when rivals launched I was wondering “since when did Danny have black hair?” Then realised it was some other guy but got used to him. I still don’t like the rest of the agents of atlas tho

[stray flower]

I really like White Fox personally, she is by all means a literal set piece, but the fact she not only exists but does her job as a world building tool very effectively makes me very happy, though that just might be the story teller in me

[simple storm]

That might partly be because rivals white fox is a massive upgrade from comics, especially in terms of design where she used to look like someone’s bad oc with a generic superhero bodysuit

[gilded blade]

you think Green Goblin charging up those villains with the Goblin Formula is a hint to his potential playstyle
(assuming he's coming)

honestly, I'm starting to believe he actually will be a strategist
The Goblin Formula gives him regenerative healing (in addition to super intelligence, strength, durability, agility etc.)
so maybe he'll use a lessened version of it to buff his team mates if he is playable.

[rapid bay]

Was Ami on AoA? I thought she was just Tiger Division

[stray flower]

She's ... not officially a member as far as I can tell, but she is a close friend of every member and is often participating in their missions, out of her 7 comic appearances, 1 was Black Cat, 2 were Tiger Division and the other 4 were all Agents of Atlas as someone participating in the missions

Oh, and that's not counting either of her pre AoA appearances that are her true "OC" looks being a Korean exclusive comic and a game tie in comic for a game she is not even in

tried being more accurate and checked an appearance list, grouping series together as one she has: Her debut series, the Contest of Champions tie in, Agents of Atlas, Atlantis Attack (an Agents of Atlas story) her Infinity comic that really finalized her origin, Tiger Division, and Doom Division (a Tiger Division tie in to a Doom event) not counting cameos in other comics or her recent appearances in Lin Lie's most recent comics, so her membership is seemingly not solid, but she is an ally as frequent as the team itself

[kind yarrow]

Anyone with lord spidey on Xbox?

[snow storm]

What's this dark theory, man?

[sacred dagger]

@lapis vessel

[flat wasp]

any comic nerd here? just curious how strong is SG actually? i was curious and did some quick google search i though all she can do is communicate with squirrels and thats it turns out shes very powerfull and can beat most of the avengers atleast google said that lol

[jade swift]

Same with Jeff and squirrel girl. How many cancelled comics book runs.

[pearl arch]

She's kind of a joke character. She's called the unbeatable squirrel girl bcus she beats pretty much every character, but it always happens "off screen" so you never see it lol

[flat wasp]

does that mean shes actually weak and a meme or shes actually the real deal xD because even in marvel rivals she has lines where she says she beats thanos and galactus or something like that lmao

[pearl arch]

Sorta in between. Its technically canon that she's beat those characters, but as far as I know it doesn't affect anything outside of her own comics and media XD

[flat wasp]

hm okey i see thanks shes just fun in blood hunt so was tryina to get a bit more info on her 😄 even tho i rarely play her outside of blood hunt

[compact gust]

Punisher vs Bullseye who wins

[violet pike]

def me

[simple storm]

I’ve actually heard of those 2 before rivals. Characters like Luna were made by Netease for a mobile game

[jade swift]

Everyone's heard of squirrel girl but nobody bought her books. Run after run with bad art, nobody liked her really until rivals

[stray flower]

Squirrel Girl is also a well known Joke character, most fans genuinely did not care about her before because she didn't matter for any relevant story

[cursive minnow]

Squirrel girl is actually a beast lmao
Shes canonically beat galactus and dr doom before

[stray flower]

she is a menace

[stray flower]

a week to season 8 ... and I think we are still unsure of where our next stop is actually, the teasers say the characters are Cyclops and Devil Dino, but where do we go? Is it to 2099 to fight Alchemax from the other side of the incursion that was stopped? Or is it to some version of the Savage Lands? (I'd bet Mosaic or Collapsing for that one, but that one could genuinely be anywhere)

[paper raft]

Guys chant for dictator hulk skin with me

[versed nest]

Man

I really like rivals version of DD’s lore

I think it’s really cool

Okay so

[wraith bobcat]

the beast inside me or something

[versed nest]

In the Rivals Universe the hand was attacking New York City. Matt did the best he could, but eventually The Hand (worshippers of “the beast”) took down the rest of the heroes, leaving just him.

[wraith bobcat]

ooo the hand

[worn lichen]

(specifically that was in the collapsing timeline)

[versed nest]

So, he sought to take out their master/the one they worshipped, “the beast.” To do this, Matt had to travel to hell. He traversed to the deep pits to fight the beast. (His line: “I traveled to hell, and I’d gladly do it again if it helps.”) Eventually, he defeated it. In doing this, he absorbed the power of the beast. He wasn’t possessed, but he simply absorbed the powers of the beast completely.

[wraith bobcat]

hmm ok

[versed nest]

Then, after this, (I don’t really remember exactly how), he ended up in the eighth capital city of Heven, An’Hay-Zhidi. He realized that they needed a hero to save the people of the city. The Immortal Beast of An’Hay-Zhidi, Yinglong, realizing that he could manipulate Matt into helping him break the seal of the God of War, Chiyou, tricks him iirc into becoming his Immortal Weapon, and turning him into to Dizang.

An’Hay-Zhidi isn’t really a capital city of Heven, but it like, is kinda, sorta.

[wraith bobcat]

That's aura ngl he outlasted all the NYC heroes

[steep jasper]

He ended up meeting Yinglong in hell as he was a captive of the beast irrc and that's how he ended up in the eight city as yinglong promised him to help him control the beasts powers and save the world

[worn lichen]

i wouldnt say Yinglong tricked Matt or turned him into Dizang, he's doing that of his own choice to help people and provide a sanctuary via the eighth city, and he knows that something doesn't add up with Yingling

[versed nest]

Oh yeah you’re right

Now that I’m thinking about it

When Matt defeated The Beast, that was what freed Yinglong

[versed nest]

Yeah that’s fair

Most of this was from what I remembered from reading the in-game lore and some stuff from the wiki