📖lore-chat

[lean magnet]

ya i think its her, i only remeber that she is inflicted with something but i dont think its got show the name of it unless i somehow missed it

[median plume]

One thing i know for sure tho,the main villains has aura,and through qinchuan's story we see him again and again,also we see him as young,but the thing i cant explain Is,when young he had black hair,when he got old he has white hair,but still looks young,Is he immortal or something?

[lean magnet]

i was under the impression that the zhao er didnt know big zhao is heading toward the treasure basin area so YM was truly posion but big zhao is there is make sure they are not actually going to die and even if they failed, he is going to make sure zhao er feed them the antidote regardless what.

[median plume]

Ok nevermind i solved the mystery,im just dumb

[iron canyon]

yeah idt the name was explicitly stated, but from what I understand about the dream puppets, it wouldn't exactly stop one's body from aging but rather they won't "die" (since they're technically zombies), but it could be a hint they planted🤔

[sinful wasp]

Thanks. Just read all of that. But how does 5 become 16, and why is 16 written that way?

[iron canyon]

Ahhhh i see, yeah the moment big zhao saved us with the chicken and goose attacks, it means he recognized our identity and knew YM isn't a foe, and an asset to be in good terms with each other (thanks to aunt han & uncle jiang's connections)

[iron canyon]

Through tuning (for higher pitched notes), even the 5 notes are derived based on the note HuangZhong (Bell, a recurring aspect we saw in game). The sixteen pitches were then obtained by tuning the 5 notes, originally only 12, with the extra 4 I marked in red boxes added later by Chai Rong who commisioned the musician, not only to make the notes more complete, but also adding on aspects (12 + 4) for a peaceful nation(which are all the categories you see in your compendium). While logo that is a combination of Ten(十) and Six (六), one reason is aesthetics, another is also matching how cn character's evolve, like in my picture for example. From how people drew a swallow to represent the character, which slowly evolves to the character 燕 we all are familiar now

[lean magnet]

GIVE ME YOUR F NOTES

[sinful wasp]

So the 5 came from 12+4

[celest flume]

Shh bb

[iron canyon]

here is the flow of the notes, base note HuangZhong (like modern middle C) -> 5 notes -> 16 pitches

[sinful wasp]

So you’re saying 十六 used to be written kinda like 十l十?

[iron canyon]

Oh, I thought you were talking abt the wwm logo TT, but if you're talking about the evolution of the character itself, intially 1-4 are represented by horizontal lines, 5 & 7 are like a cross sign, while 6 & 8 are like split ends with 10 being represented as a vertical line. After that people don't want to confuse it with one (一), so they would either thicken the middle part of the vertical line / write a dot, which then evolves into a straight line making 10 (十). From the cn dictionary (说文解字), since 10 is composed by the cn character for 1 (represent completeness) and the vertical line that originally means 10 (represents connections), it symbolizing the completion and perfection of numbers.

[median plume]

Aight so,i understood nothing

Why Is there an italian flag?😭

Aight removed it

[iron canyon]

Where Winds Meet cn name is called Yanyun's Sixteen Sounds (燕云十六声), and the logo is a combination of the characters for Ten & Six in cn (which means sixteen), sounds is one of the core themes of wwm, the english name was given as sounds could be heard at the intersections of winds. Some explanation here if you're interested:#📖lore-chat message

[tawny blaze]

[cosmic sphinx]

so there is some math

[cosmic sphinx]

oh

[iron canyon]

mhm, that's the way of getting their notes (by altering the length of the pitch pipe)

[median plume]

Ok Sherlock✌️😭

[north trench]

Absolute cinema!!

[north trench]

No that just number like how you put 10 and 6. 16

Oh wait number is math. So yeah it math sorry

My bad

[north pivot]

Well, music is math

[finite pond]

question, Do you think there will be water margin faction in this game?

[lucid crag]

What's the story behind the upcoming expansion

Imperial Palace it's called right?

[nocturne grail]

[flint yacht]

next patch has new main quest?

[rare torrent]

why tf store quets are too chatty?

[lucid crag]

Does indeed

Remind me rq when that patch is

[woven sigil]

28th, one week away

[flint yacht]

a main quest? about what

[lucid crag]

Exploring the Imperial Palace in Kaifeng

[flint yacht]

ohh

[hidden kelp]

It's not a Main Chapter, it's a Lost Chapter so not connected to the main plot but supports the overall world building.

The next Main Chapter will be Chapter 4, taking place in Bujian Mountains, likely a summer release time, not in this season.

[flint yacht]

i see i see. looking forward to it

[remote thistle]

is there gonna be a gay story or is there already one

since there's already a lesbian one does that mean there's also a gay story

[orchid canopy]

Hell nah bruh ..

[heady dove]

The imperial palace trailer, showed big Zhao as a boss? Why does he look so different to when we first met him? Are we going back in time?

[remote thistle]

there's lesbian story so there's gotta be a gay one too

[remote thistle]

he glew up

[jovial lodge]

I petition that one of the guys should be well of heaven disciple

[remote thistle]

here with you

im not even gay, i lowkey js want a gay story in wwm

[north trench]

Hmmm bed-warming maids yeah?!

After google search i found out human bed warmer is actual thing. Before this i have heard it but i thought it just slang for *** i didn't know it was literall job back then

[west drum]

Is this the Buijan mountain where qianye in

[icy thistle]

omg this was so exciting to read, as i am a huge music enthusiast so seeing how much more music/sound is intertwined with the game is amazing! Do you have any reading/video recommendations in regards to this theme or maybe some chinese music philosophy i should read up on for more insight?

Kinda been wanting to delve into reading chinese philosophy/history to be able to understand more of the game, but as someone who had barely any knowledge in that area before wwm it's such an overwhelming thing, i don't really know where to start looking 🥲

[hidden kelp]

Yes

[blissful stirrup]

Is An Liuli supposed to be Turkic? She has blue eyes.

[primal wadi]

||the white half of Qianye is aunt Han’s brother?||

[royal plover]

What next after unseen mountain?

[celest flume]

Qingzhou

[lean magnet]

Try the YouTube channel goose girl. That where I mostly get my Chinese history and lore from. If you wanna go even more deeper, the best I can suggest is to look into the late tang dynasty, five dynasty and the early song dynasty cuz those are the period that the game cover til now

[sharp lily]

She's Sogdian. "An" is one of the Nine Sogdian Surnames and she comes from a merchant family 🙂 The Ans live in Bukhara.so that's probably where she was from.

[royal plover]

What story of this region?

[celest flume]

The CN server just got that region

[lean magnet]

All I know is that it is the base of inkbound order

[royal plover]

I mean what ym doing in there

[celest flume]

idk check CN content

[hidden kelp]

To checkout the Inkbound order with a side of tourism™

It's side content, no main plot

[lean magnet]

You telling me that inkbound is putting a promotion of themselves

[royal plover]

What sect global still dont have, mohist, inkbound, hollow vale, lone cloud what else?

[hidden kelp]

Yeah kinda 😂

[hidden kelp]

Those are the only ones announced. Hollow Vale is not out in CN yet

[lean magnet]

Think it’s around there though most are already released in CN except hollow vale

[royal plover]

After hear npc talking in qinchuan, i learn that xunyuan and lone clad have same vision but xunyuan cult doing in bad way

[lean magnet]

tbh you should not replace people like some sort of body snatchers or influence some guy's fate cuz it may cause some horrible thing if not do otherwise

[distant sage]

haha

[sharp lily]

it gets cold at night in the desert 😄

[iron canyon]

Most of the videos I watched are in CN, but I found a short video explaining this topic (the author also do lore videos for this game in great detail), you can also search up the key words 黄钟(音律), 五音, 十二律, 四清声, 十六律. The in game compendium also provides context about the pitches if you read the descriptions
Link: https ://youtu.be/kgotAlT_8lM?si=0y6WuysbNSviKxs7

[iron canyon]

The leaders (LiChunFeng & Yuan TianGang) parted ways due to different ideals. Yuan Tian Gang believed that if the heavenly law can be calculated, it can also be controlled, so the XuanYun Cult tried to replace heaven (which means nature) with human will. The Yuan TianGang you saw in qinchuan is fake, every new leader will adopt this name as a fake vision of Yuan TianGang being immortal. The XuanYun cult were also the same group that tried to brainwash and control JinZhongYuan in the unnatural omen quest (kaifeng)

[royal plover]

I still dont understand with the quest in martial art temple, what we do there why the painter send ym to the underground?

[iron canyon]

kinda, but I heard it's going to fill some of the plotholes the region is still updating, so we can't say for sure

[lean magnet]

actually could i ask why are they body snatching people in that small village in qinchuan? are they on the lookout for the golden peace. I still exploring the village

[iron canyon]

basically, the temple was closed down by the court, beneath the temple is a weaponry arsenal, someone dug a tunnel & kept their private soldiers, the painter is on Song Court's side, we are there to settle those soldiers

[lean magnet]

wasnt the painter the one who either put the yellow robe on big zhao or make it

[royal plover]

Still dont understand the whole plotpoint

[iron canyon]

one reason is this, another is bc xuanyun cult suffered a huge lost since Lone Cloud's leader (XieRuHui) wiped out quite a number of the cult members & eliminated the real Yuan TianGang, you'll learn about it if you do the wandering tales

[iron canyon]

yeah, he was the one making the robe using his family's techniques, the same person who stole out the blueprint of the warship murong yuan was recreating from Shu and offered it to Song

[lean magnet]

sorry what you mean by stolen out the blueprint

[iron canyon]

Shi ShouXin was working for ZhaoKuangYin, the court is in need of money. On the surface, the court is recalling those private soldiers & weaponry (to be placed in the temple for worshipping purposes), while what actually happened is that ShiShouXin will be selling those weaponry through the ghostlight market, so the two made a deal - 60% for Big Zhao and the rest divide equally between the ghostlight market & ShiShouXin himself. Also there was reports saying that ShiShouXin has been building a private army in the temple, so the court sent someone to check the situation (which is the painter) + to retrieve the book about the arts of war that also records confidential info about the court from ShiShouXin's adopted son Shi Zhen

[lean magnet]

does that mean shi shou xin is lowkey want to rebel against big zhou

[iron canyon]

the painter (namely The Twelve Immortals where you can read is bio in game), was a famous painter from Shu, he was swept into political mess as he was framed to forge a painting called The Twelve Immortal's portrait (can't rlly remember the name), so to protect himself, he stole the original blueprint of the Quintadent warship from Shu (which murong yuan recreated and improved) and offered it to Song which allows him to earn the trust of the court

[iron canyon]

yep, he's having the intentions, but luckily with YM & the painter's interference, they were suppressed, or kaifeng's mess would only worsen

[royal plover]

Stole blueprint from murong?

Didnt murong always gonna making the ship for the song

[iron canyon]

mb, was typing too fast that I missed out, the original blueprint is from Shu, that's why in the jinming pool quest, the shu envoy requested for the blueprint because it was originally their stuff

[lean magnet]

maybe its been a while but where is shu?

[royal plover]

Is this same shu from 3 kingdom?

[iron canyon]

this shu is refering to the five dynasties ten kingdoms late shu

[iron canyon]

a rough indicator (Tang here is southern tang)

[royal plover]

Are they same shu?

I mean what happen 3 kingdom after 3 kingdom, whos the winner?

[lean magnet]

damn no wonder why the central plains is getting screwed over by southern tang and khitan

[iron canyon]

totally different authorities, it's just that the base of their nation are the same

[iron canyon]

central plains surrounding tang, so for southern tang's defense, they also got the central plains surrounded, with khitans being their strongest allies, which is why the assassination plan at breeze post was initiated to cut off their relationship (southern tang & khitan)

[remote surge]

Lol

[eternal widget]

The winner is Sima Yi. Cao cao right hand man

[grim kestrel]

does he really right hand man tho? heard he only joined cao cao to keep his family & his life safe

and cao cao doesn't trust him in fear of his ambition

[royal plover]

So jin kingdom

[grim kestrel]

also five dynasty and ten kingdoms had nothing to do with three kingdoms

they just share same country title

[lean magnet]

so can i say the five dynasty is a free for all while the three kingdom is 3 pvp

[karmic trench]

How to visit sandstorm tavern?

[sharp lily]

Different time periods, the latter is much later than the former iirc

[sharp lily]

There's a marker on the map, middle of Qinghe I think, that dude with the boat

[karmic trench]

Thanks

[sharp lily]

"stole" 🙂

[tardy swift]

Well i mean back in history if you were frame for something ud be jailed and possibly executed without fair trial (or just plain ole silenced by currupt officals.)

[iron canyon]

Yeah, he's now Big Zhao's trusted spy, the shu envoy that attended the petalfall banquet (jinming pool), was also using the opportunity to capture & kill him (if possible)

[tardy swift]

Im sure will meet a famous assassin soon depending on which way writer goes with the history.

[iron canyon]

which is part of the reason why Murong Yuan decided to trigger the explosive mechanism when it was meant to be activated much later, she already made the changes on the blueprint, if the shu envoy really got their hands on the blueprint, she will be in huge trouble as well

[tardy swift]

I just hope its not the mountain bandits

[iron canyon]

we do have quite a few assassins (not everyone doing this for a living obviously), anyone could be an assassin in this world

[tardy swift]

Oh ik but im talking about specific historic ones of the current era.
Then again Im still thinking about whether were gonna be thrown into time skip due to "certain" war is about couple hundred years incoming

A war that uhhhh they do not like discussing about

But involves the East Trading Company and a Island nation that has troops with giant black bear fur hats.

[iron canyon]

well, we do have one who is famous in game which is Tian Ying, his name was mentioned in historical records only once that was the assassin who murdered the khitan envoy during the breeze post incident. The game expanded and gave him a complete story who successfully changed the outcome of the power distribution during the 5 dynasties 10 kingdoms period

[tardy swift]

He had such a good story.

[iron canyon]

The only thing we know currently is the devs decided to set the time period of the game approximately between 962-980, we never know how far they'll go / change their decisions (this game from an interview back in 2024)

[tardy swift]

Interesting, just tiny bit looking up all i see is war

Technically a crusade to the north

[lean magnet]

wait you saying tian ying is based on an actual dude that did a similar thing irl

[lean magnet]

sorry what you mean a island nation with giant black bear fur head

[tardy swift]

Very simple go look up soldiers with bear fur hats. : )

Then ull know who im talkin about rlly. They sorta did a war (very bad one)

Which takes place in china.

[lean magnet]

sorry i only think of the mongols, are you talking about them

[tardy swift]

China dose not like discussing said war.

Nope

[lean magnet]

wait are you talking about the english

[tardy swift]

Yes.

[lean magnet]

well i woudlnt say they dont like to dicuss it but more toward " the british mf screw us over"

no one rlly like the british even their neighbours

[copper dust]

I just finished The People's Wish.
I'm a bit confused on who and why caused the massacre at the temple in one of the stories, and who was the 4th person hiding in the secret passage and why where the monks and the other three protecting him/her so much

[keen osprey]

any CN version players

[lean magnet]

from what i can still remeber and understand. The main culpit is the longwu army who belong zhu Wen aka the guy who killed the main villian'(white hair dude)'s dad, aka the guy who start the five dynasty era.

if i remeber correctly, he want the golden peach which is supposed be a powerful object. cant remember what the 4th dude's deal though i suspect he have infomation on the golden peach.

So the army come in to find the peach cuz they properly hear of the 4th guy having the info but if i am correct, the monks didnt give the info so were killed but what i am certain is that the three come back, saw the massacre and try to fight off the army but more still come in so got tortured by the army.

So to protect the 4th guy, they give the wrong info and kill themselves before the army realised they were tricked

[neon raptor]

guys wwm interacitive is safe or not ?

[sharp lily]

#🌱beginner-questions

[willow salmon]

any idea when kaifeng expansion come out?

hexi feels filler

[upbeat oar]

Hexi is main content
Imperial Palace is filler

[copper dust]

ah, ok. yeah, in hindsight i should have known it was about the peach.
Ty for the explanation

[stoic reef]

Who ever designed the quest Twilight Tales, your mom's a ho

[iron canyon]

Yeah, breeze post incident was actually a real incident as well (the difference is that in game, it was WeiDaoJi who initiated the plan, irl history was different)

[iron canyon]

you would have better hope asking in #1425508678219468811 , there's a channel for cn content

[icy thistle]

thanks! I already ate wwm girl/goose girl's videos up a while ago, helped me so much with connecting all the scattered lore pieces in my mind

[icy thistle]

thank you so much!

[lean magnet]

You mean that creepy forest quest? Lowkey I kinda of like it, I mean ya it confusing as hell sometimes but hey got that creepy atmosphere

[sinful wasp]

Is Ruby from Kaifeng just a figment of imagination?

[sharp lily]

I have no idea what everyone is talking about here

[sinful wasp]

She’s dead right

[sharp lily]

||Yes, there's even a tombstone you can visit.||

[meager pilot]

when did we got Ruby at Kaifeng?..

[sharp lily]

Yea, like I said, I have no idea what everyone is talking about

[crystal island]

do you mean little girl you meet soon after arriving in Kaifeng? with the rat hat?

that's not Ruby

[sinful wasp]

Nah. At Murong Yan's area I think

[median plume]

There Is no way,are they actually adding slap battles in this game?

[median plume]

That Is little fu

[crystal island]

I know, I was asking if that's who they were thinking of when asking about Kaifeng Ruby 😄

because that's the first little girl that came to my mind when thinking Kaifeng

[median plume]

Ye in fact i was replying to the other guy

[crystal island]

that was literally a reply to me but ok 😄

[median plume]

In fact i was too lazy to scroll up

[royal hollow]

Could anyone help me with archery competition

im losing hope in humanity 😭

anyone can help this poor sister

[last quiver]

guys im ayanokoji 😈 😈 😈

[royal hollow]

really thou😑😑

[karmic hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[topaz pilot]

hm

[median plume]

GET OUT OF THIS CHAAAAT

[lofty hinge]

You're in the wrong space, this is story discussion, try #🌱beginner-questions

[cunning hare]

😭

Absolute cinema and reading the history of it made it even better. Legitimately tearing up a bit

[fluid sundial]

Hi everyone

[slender night]

Can anyone answer what the story in the imperial palace expansion will be?

[eager urchin]

i think late june

[hexed adder]

i hope the player/we players encounter even glimpse of Aunt Han

[fervent chasm]

Does anyone know the adjustment of the fricking "close eye" in face???. I want my mc to have close eye lmao. Helppp 😭

[hexed adder]

what do you mean close eye?

[fervent chasm]

Well the typa thing where your mc just closes its eyes. A literal closed eyes😭

Bare with me lmao, i haven't got a wink of sleep tryna figure it.

[hexed adder]

just like this legend?

[fervent chasm]

I kinda saw someone's wwm mc, having their own one havin a close eyes

[fervent chasm]

Yehh

That's the one

I dont own blindfold so imma do smth like just close its eyes

[hexed adder]

#🌱beginner-questions ask here

[fervent chasm]

Kayyy, imma chat it there

[trail trout]

Why did the moon in qinchuan shatter

[modern relic]

Its symbolism of the tang dynasty falling

[celest flume]

Chang'an is gone

[trail trout]

oh

[orchid canopy]

Lol hahahah

[carmine ice]

lol

[grim kestrel]

or turn off monitor, same thing

[wicked prawn]

During the people's wish quest. The third tomb with the monk and soldiers dying. Was the constable the last person the 3 drifters tried to hide? If so who was that guy?

[coarse glade]

yes, that constable is palm strike sage (not to be confused with palm strike master)

im not sure which part of the story you are up to so i’ll leave it at that

[wicked prawn]

WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!?!

Where the indication of that?

[wicked prawn]

Me done but Im clearing main story for a friend so Im redoing it and seeing some details. Like how I think the constable is in a hurry to run away from MC. And says he came to the temple 4days ago around the timeframe the longwu army left.

So all good!! I didnt expect palm strike sage!

[coarse glade]

we know that palm strike sage passed the golden peach to fang bai in the mist forest

the body there looks exactly like the constable

[wicked prawn]

Ooohhh you know what I never looked closely.

Also Wang Qin and Li Zhuo used to be friends? When they played Go that was a representation of battles between aureate pavillion on northern vow, right? What does general wang qing meant with being a part of the game, why was there a drop of blood?

[coarse glade]

i think they used to be friends? i’m not sure but it seems to be implied. yes, the Go matches were a representation of their respective faction’s battles with each other. in the last battle (battle of zhongdu bridge), the drop of blood represents wang qing’s death (he became a part of the game, maybe he sacrificed himself for everyone else?)

i think we will find more out about the events of zhongdu bridge in the upcoming patches (palace and mohist/unseen mountain)

[wicked prawn]

It was pretty amazing how they represented that. For each white piece trying to vanquish the black, more white pieces die when the black retaliate.

My other interpretation was instead of them being actual friends at one point, they fought each other for so long that theyve become acquaintances in war.

The zhongdu bridge battle depiction was really awesome. I knew it pointed to it but I wasnt sure if being a part of the game meant him dying or him coming to the frontlines. But the general has always been hands on in the war.

[coarse glade]

the other interpretation makes alot of sense too, didnt think of that

the game teases the aftermath of zhongdu bridge in hexi dark surge cutscene if you havent done it already

[wicked prawn]

Oh I haveeent. Okay time to do that.

[modern relic]

The fact that Persia was mentioned in the story is lowkey wild, i never thought that they would get mentioned but I am curious would they have their own cultivation methods and do they compare to china? Now im more curious about other countries and their own martial arts

[wicked prawn]

Oh exciting! Ive always wondered about that. My first encounter of zhongdu was the shadow play in harvestfall village.

Btw... I kept confusing palm strike sage and palm strike master. Why do they have similar names? 😭

[coarse glade]

make sure to have sounds on for the cutscene, personally its my favorite dark surge so far

[wicked prawn]

Will do. Will do. 🩷
I havent done kaifeng yet either. After maybe when I finish main story for my friend.

[coarse glade]

i think cultivation is a xianxia concept, wwm uses a wuxia power system (no cultivation just pure martial arts)

[modern relic]

Btw people keep mentioning the little girl in the quest is actually the founder of the silver needle sect? How do we know that???

[iron canyon]

Yeah, the two used to be close friends w QingYi (LiZuo's lover), most probably they got to know each other during the time when LiZuo found QingYi at Gleaming Abyss (the two actually lived together for years in the cave). The moves in their chess match also represents their relationship & their current (I don't know chess sadly, but there are other indications like their body language, voice lines & weather) that indicates how they slowly get apart. Another detail is the way LiZuo addresses Wang Qing (but was sadly robbed a bit from the localization)

[modern relic]

Ah gotcha, that makes more sense but tbh when the immortal peach was mentioned i was like huh are we gonna fight some immortals?

[iron canyon]

their names were derived by their martial arts which is by using their palms, it's quite distinct in cn (language barriers TT)

[modern relic]

Also dream puppets are just like jiangshis right? Same concept or whatever

[iron canyon]

from wandering tales & also the jade pendant with her name on it

[modern relic]

Damn I really gotta do them smh

[lofty hinge]

Wuxia can also involve cultivation, and the game's English text does mention it here and there. I think it's just more grounded in martial arts specifically than xianxia.

[modern relic]

Ty for letting me know

[iron canyon]

The game emphasizes two types of immortality, physical (dream puppets, similar to jiangshi since they will end up loosing their sanity) & spiritual (the peach, even if those peple are physically dead, their stories will still be known and heard by people of the future generations).

[modern relic]

Damn I forgot that items have lore descriptions oml</3333

[lofty hinge]

I can't speak to how the CN game text reads, however, to know whether the term is being used with the expectation an English audience would grasp it better than some other term.

[wicked prawn]

Ngl during the Go battle Im straining to understand whats happening esp during the clue deduction part. The clues sort of makes sense but not really. 😭

[crimson birch]

yeah i was trying to make sense and try to choose based on the clue description and out of 3 times i only got one correct 🤣

me with no basic foundation of go tryna make sense the game between LiZuo and WangQing: 'hmm i definitely get what this specific move mean'

eternal is cooking

[wicked prawn]

Btw! Just got back to the forest section in main story. The carving on the dead tree reads: Tomb of Palm Strike Sage. 😭

Palm strike master was Lan Ao's father right? Did fang bai really kill ps sage?

[crimson birch]

Fang Bai didn't killed the palm sage iirc and what I understand from the quest. Fang Bai killed the prince general we had to fight and died shortly after. Fang Bai and Lan Ao was in love but separated and Lan Ao sacrificed herself for Fang Bai so I do not think Fang Bai will killl Palm Strike Sage

[wicked prawn]

Yeah thats what I thought. But why was ps sage dead?

[crimson birch]

Due to the whole region of the city being blow up to piece and he was caught up in it and died as well iirc

[iron canyon]

It's really relatable for those who doesn't know chess including myself, so I actually looked up quite some videos (I may be wrong TT, but I'll try to convey what I understand). To understand this, a Go match has 3 stages: Opening (both sides would establish their formations) -> Middle Game (basically starting to launch their attacks) -> End game (when the winner/loser is evident, the game is wrapped up and players are claiming their final points)
First match: Both Wang Qing & LiZuo are trying to determine their formations for their survival. Comparing to LiZuo who is sharper, Wang Qing is like a stream that goes with the flow while waiting for the best opportunity to strike. If we see the chess board as the central plains, from how the two chose the exact same position to place their pieces, it's referring to Yanyun's sixteen prefectures. Flying net (correct move) = giving up Yanyun & claim the central plains first, Defend and make life (by creating "live" pieces, a move to prevent those pieces getting captured) = reclaiming Yanyun (from how they address each other, this most probably happened after ShiJingTang gave away the prefectures to the Khitans), so with the two's current strength, there's no way they could reclaim the prefectures, which is why they both agreed it is a bad move (defend & make life).

**Second match: **QingYi died, LiZuo lost his mind and intend to use dream puppets to continue their dreams (to create a nation of pure kindness), the chess match is in the second stage. Wang Qing's (white) chess pieces is able to encircle LiZuo's (black) pieces, but LiZuo might also be able to clear a large amount of white pieces. Ladder-Breaker Placement (correct choice) = when you're surrounded, forcing the opponent to exhaust more pieces with 1 piece, Destroy Eye = putting your piece down on their "eye", stopping the opponent from creating an empty space (in other words, "live" pieces since the opponent is unable to capture those pieces). This stage is still referring to giving up Yanyun or not. Wang Qing believed that reclaiming yanyun is unrealistic, while LiZuo thought he already understood human nature, and with his own strength (immortality & dream puppet army), he's able to alter fate. LiZuo's line: "Bleed enough and the path reveals itself.", means by using the dream puppets to eliminate what makes a human (desires, emotions) to achieve "peace" since there will no longer be conflicts.

Third match: The chess match happened before the zhongdu bridge war, and is now at the End game stage. At this point, taking pieces off the board is not allowed anymore, which means Wang Qing lost the match. Yet Wang Qing said he still has a piece that could alter fate, which means he intend to become the person who fight against destiny. From how all the chess pieces disappeared after, it (could) means the match came to a draw. Wang Qing used his life to break LiZuo's formations (and plans), marking the beginning of a new story (which is the loading screen of Jiang carrying us, the baby).

[iron canyon]

i felt my brain burning while trying to combine the interpretations

[crimson birch]

tysm for your analysis eternal they really help us understand wwm better esp for those who are not used to very subtle cultural stuff TT

[crimson birch]

big sis wu???

[merry quest]

I just wanna ask if Aynur actually got her revenge or not? And what happened to her after that?

[celest flume]

Yes hun

[crimson birch]

well...

she didn't... the revenge scene we see was just a dream

[merry quest]

Why are we so f useless… why is liangzhou full of sht

[celest flume]

If you eavesdrop on some ppl at kingsvine village, they said that she went insane and committed suicide

[quiet jolt]

Where I can find a girlfriend

[celest flume]

Anywhere but this server

[quiet jolt]

How

[merry quest]

[iron canyon]

the past is the past, there's nothing we can do except for watching it fall which is why we fought the lions

[celest flume]

Ik honey nothing is sunshine and rainbows

[merry quest]

Still doesn’t make it feel better

[quiet jolt]

We should I go

[crimson birch]

that last part esp TT i was kind of aware this was before Zhongdu bridge because old WangQing model is the same we see in the trailer plus spoilers|| the Zhongdu bridge scene|| but did not knew when WangQing was saying that he was actually going to be the one defying fate even when it costs his death

[merry quest]

I just wanted a dress up game. Not depression and angst for everyone

[celest flume]

There's a cost for that hahaha

[iron canyon]

And it's so heartbreaking to see how at first, the two were on the same side, slowly becoming apart until he was long gone. It's exactly why he said he still has another piece, because the zhongdu bridge war = wang qing's end game, he knows he's going to die there

[crimson birch]

this paired with the encounter quest with he ran in Qinghe just showed how prepared he was and how he's willing to fight just for the sake of it it was also sad to see the two friends drift apart esp at 2nd match where you can see the grief struck LiZuo is inpenetrable when WangQing was trying to talk to him

[iron canyon]

At times where war would just begin without warning, those stories are picturing what life was like back then

[iron canyon]

The chokehold QingYi has on LiZuo which is understandable as the childhood friend that stood by his side no matter what🥹

[crimson birch]

experiencing the carriage quest in Qinchuan really helped me understand the relationship between them better too QingYi always sticked to LiZuo even when he has nothing losing someone that dear to you would drive anyone crazy esp LiZuo's situation

[wicked prawn]

This is awesome thank you! I understood the rules of go and chess I play it a little. Im not good mind you. Haha. But what I struggle was their conversation in relation to what was happening in the match. Plus it doesnt help that when you deduce clues some of the clues dont make sense at all...

Thank you for this. 🩷

[iron canyon]

ps sage probably died bc of how everyone is aiming for the peach (news of him having the peach leaked out so people came for him) which he met and passed it to fang bai

[wicked prawn]

Replying to this... 😭

[iron canyon]

I'm also learning smth new so it's a win win XD

[crimson birch]

together we learn

[wicked prawn]

Isnt he a strong jianghu wanderer? Then again if like multiple wanderers swarmed him he'd be overpowered.

[wicked prawn]

Ah speaking of lions. What does the lions mean here? Theres a lion dasan pass and theres another lion when we fought "in the moon"

Also is the moon chang'an or...?

[crimson birch]

unfortunatley his power declined

esp after he went into court (which is kinda sad cause he just wanted to help cure his daughter)

[iron canyon]

that could be a possibility since whole qinchuan is aiming for the peach, one person's strength is limited🥹

[wicked prawn]

Wasnt that palm strike master? Thats a different person no?

[wicked prawn]

Fr 😭

[celest flume]

The lion is us
Moon means home, and chang'an is home

[iron canyon]

#📖lore-chat message about the lions

[crimson birch]

palm strike master and sage are diff ppl? if so i might misremember it but i thought you were mentioning Lan Ao's dad my bad TT

[celest flume]

Palm strike master is lan shou chi
Lan ao's father
Palm strike sage is fang bai's teacher

[crimson birch]

ah fack i missed some things time to read the quest again

[wicked prawn]

This is amazing. Proud of young master. 😭

[iron canyon]

yeah the palm strike master actually bypassed those who came to check by pretending to suffer from loss of bladder control (it smells too bad so they didn't bother to check), but since he's old and also suffered from the explosion, he couldn't make it long

[celest flume]

@crimson birch

[wicked prawn]

This I understand. Ps sage was the one more elusive for me.

Tbf their names are so similar lol

[crimson birch]

i wonder if it's the same for cn text

[iron canyon]

the devs deliberately left it blank so it's safe to assume that he most probably got ganged up after the news were leaked, and met fang bai while he was heavily injured, Fang Bai knew holding the peach is risky so he sent his 4 junior brothers to Mustard Hut & decided to revenge himself

[wicked prawn]

So the moon having the silhoutte of chang'an on its face is similar to how the people of hexi felt back then. So close, yet so far away.

Iirc ym mentioned by the end chang'an became more than a city. Its the people's home, what represents as their dreams, their hopes, their goals. That was touching.

[iron canyon]

in cn, palm strike sage is 藏贤掌(Cang Xian Zhang), while palm strike master is 惊涛掌(Jing Tao Zhang)

[crimson birch]

hidden(?) palm vs storm(?) palm but why they did do sage and master for localization?

[celest flume]

They always see home, but did they reach it in time?😭

[crimson birch]

straight to the feels gng

[wicked prawn]

Also I just wanna share, before the epilogue quest, I didnt like paper moon as much. It felt to me more of a romance story than the continual themes of home, belongingness, etc. That chang'an represented.

But Brother Painter mentioned that they were 2 girls, bound by their fates and trying to defy it. Overcoming the mountain to reach their chang'an. Their chang'an is a new life together, in peace. Living far away from everything that tie them down.

Suddenly I felt really really sad for them. 😭 😭

[celest flume]

Ow

Paper moon is about losing freedom and the person that means home

[wicked prawn]

Hmm that too.

[crimson birch]

esp the scene when liuli came to pick up guanyin

i will still have my own moon even if the moon in chang'an isn't all that anyways (or similar line iirc)

[wicked prawn]

Alsooo okay Im redoing sunken city lake. What is this voice that is resounding around the lake?

[celest flume]

😭 Raye I'm gonna a cry

[crimson birch]

im so sorry lan lan but TT i was also super teary during paper moon and i couldn't stop them falling when i saw liuli dove into the wine cup moon

[iron canyon]

Palm Strike Master's name also matches his legendary story of how he splitted a cliff with one blow & shattered another with half a blow, since the peach grove pass was build on top of water, if you translate JingTaoZhang, it means Surging Waves Palm (matching how he shattered the debris at the end to escape, but again I'm bad in special nouns TT)

[iron canyon]

Xian here means sage so I assume they used this for localization, while JingTao is probably a bit awkward(?

[crimson birch]

feels like just palm strike master is a downgrade from it's original intricate meaning but then again lost in translation TT

[iron canyon]

it's sadder if you understand the meaning of the names' of the girls 🥹 #📖lore-chat message

[iron canyon]

The title is really a key to his character, it's really a pity🥹

[celest flume]

Inevitable

[crimson birch]

we need better translators ngl and actual human translators plus also knows the context of the story too

[crimson birch]

yeah... TT i was tryna cope hence bought liuli's fit when it came to shop holding onto the last thread

[wicked prawn]

Help 😭 😭

There is no happiness in the jianghu... 😭

[wicked prawn]

Wait isnt lan shouchi the inspector we saw at the very beginning that looked... pathetic? 😭

Was the person he made wait Lan ao? Man...

[celest flume]

Yes

[iron canyon]

Also there's another crucial detail that they somehow decided to leave out which helps to understand their relation. Due to how seniority & respect are valued back then, ancient people generally has 2 names, one original name (名) and another courtesy name (字), given when they hit adulthood, as addressing someone directly using their original name is disrespectful (esp towards seniors/elders). The meaning behind the courtesy names are also tightly related to/complimenting their original name as well. Wang Qing's (王清) name which is Qing, means pure/clarity, while his courtesy name is QuXia (去瑕) that means removing flaws/impurities. LiZuo is older than Wang Qing by 2 yrs, so LiZuo could totally address Wang Qing by his original name, but to show their closeness, in the first match LiZuo actually called Wang Qing by his courtesy name QuXia, but in the second match, he used Wang Qing (yk smth is wrong when someone close to you is calling you by your full/original name). It also fits Wang Qing's decision/intention as he decided to become the one who removes the world's impurities

[celest flume]

||Old man yaoi||

[iron canyon]

The amount of weird pronouns is evident enough

[crimson birch]

she to he and he to she...

ok accidental woke but pls get them right we are tryna piece bit of lore

[iron canyon]

He did this all for Lan Ao his beloved daughter who was suffering from a disease, his daughter is his everything😭

[iron canyon]

esp how back then he (他) can also be used for both genders so without context it's going to be off🥹

[wicked prawn]

He's not showing it tho. He even said the Liang princes is his family and whoever was waiting didn't matter. Later on there was a journal right where he got so engrossed in reaching for power he forgot why he was doing this in the first place. He got lost in the sauce somewhere.

[crimson birch]

ugh it's gets to a point ngl yeah TT hence the more need for ppl who actually understands the lore of wwm too

[wicked prawn]

Also who is Su Huaiwei? She was mentioned as having the 'moon' half of the jade pendant which combined becomes moonstream.

Said to be in Herbgrove. Is there a wandering tales/side quest for her?

[grim sequoia]

||This sword with plum blossom tassel was commissioned by General Wang Qing for Jiang Yan as a birthday gift for him. You know what Jiang Yan used it for? To kill his adoptive father, that's the very sword that was given to him on his nineteenth birthday.||

[crimson birch]

His father was already dead (no longer human) but Jiang Yan having to do that to his own father who raised him with care

[iron canyon]

The moment he decided to kneel down to others (means discarding his dignity) he already lost himself, he may not have showed it since it's been so long (years)+ Lan Ao decided to leave (she didn't want to be a burden)

[crimson birch]

Also He Ran's breaking down when he learnt the truth of his hatred towards Jiang Yan when he learnt the truth...

I wonder how is He Ran is faring ngl

esp after that quest...

[iron canyon]

||The hero's sword that slayed a hero...||🥹

[iron canyon]

yep there is, she will be at mustard hut and you will learn about her

[grim sequoia]

I still believed Uncle Jiang was completely innocent and simply forced his own hand ||immediately after hearing his adoptive father say "Hurry..."||

[wicked prawn]

Agreed. 💯
Its just a shame. And to think people see him as the symbol fof the court and jianghu wanderer's unity.

[wicked prawn]

Ooohh okie I'll go visit there after.

[iron canyon]

Jiang willingly took up the "name" of killing his father + taking away the jade, and who did the same thing? His own father, who distracted him to ensure his survival, not wanting him to die in the battle if things went wrong🫠

[iron canyon]

That's where the charm of his character is, he's willing to sacrifice everything if that means a chance for his daughter's cure no matter how slim it is😭

[silver birch]

The general became a zombie creature, jiang put him out of his misery

You guys play in CN i suppose

[wicked prawn]

I agree it may have been in the beginning. I still think he lost his purpose along the way. We are free to interpret his character as we understood the story. He's not a bad father per se, but I definitely think he is blinded by the court later on.

[silver birch]

Cause u know things igot no clue abt

[grim sequoia]

Until now, He Ran absolutely had no idea he would unintentionally send General Wang Qing to a much worse fate that Jiang Yan had to put the general down ||just to prevent further escalation.||

[iron canyon]

I mean it's not rlly spoilers, with the info of the Twisted Destiny encounter + start of the game where Jiang took our jade, blissful retreat is obviously getting marked for quite some time (esp how reputable the water lady is), jiang has been bountied all these years because of him taking wang qing out of his misery & escaping with the jade, which explains why he took it away to ensure YM's safety while handling the mess himself

[grim sequoia]

M8, I've been following CN news and stuff of course you're gonna get spoiled a lot

[dapper bramble]

Can someone help me understand the lore

I genuinely don’t understand it

[silver birch]

Is the jade s secret out ?

Do they develop the story furtjer in cn ?

[wicked prawn]

Im kinda confused of the nature of Lan Ao's sickness. So a person is first afflicted with the frozen body virus/bone chill. Causing patients to make a "living coccoon" or something. And datura is used to warm the tissues to make it working again. But datura itself causes a lot of problems like what is happening with mercyheart town.

So are dream puppets products of those afflicted with bone chill and continually administered with datura?

[silver birch]

I dont mind spoilers 😂 i got the memory of a goldfish

[wicked prawn]

Gotta ask something first. The lore is big.

[silver birch]

By the time it comes out, i ll forget everything

[wicked prawn]

Wdym jade secret?

[dapper bramble]

I’m currently in Kaifeng so

[wicked prawn]

That doesnt narrow down anything. XD
Theres a lot of topics under "lore" for what is happening. You can come here to ask for specific topics otherwise I'd suggest do a bit of in game reading yourself or watch some youtube videos about the lore.

[silver birch]

The jade pendant

Jiang yulan gave YM after the bridge bzttle

[dapper bramble]

Well so what happened in the hero festival

[silver birch]

I d say yes, cause why didnt zheng E s sister turn into a zombie

She had wwm ebola too

[wicked prawn]

Cant answer you Im there rn 😂

[iron canyon]

yeah you're not wrong w that, but the ending when he broke out of the debris, knowing he may not live long, he still risked everything to hand out the peach, making sure it can be passed down. From when he was young as the palm strike master, he "stood" because of his view about Chilvary (not for benefits or anything, he genuinely wanted to lend a hand and save people in need) -> his "fall" due to his love to his daughter, his wish of her safety and happiness, he discarded everything -> what makes him stood out is that he didn't change back to "Palm strike master" immediately after Lan Ao left, he eventually enlighten himself when he was struggling in the debris & wounded, after his daughter's death (enlightenment came with a price, the regret of not being able to save Lan Ao nor protect his dignity), but his view towards chilvary took a turn, in the end, he wanted to complete his daughter's will & the "greater good" the peach has been bearing (by passing it down to the painter)

[iron canyon]

hexi would be talking about the jade & why it was so valuable, so its highly recommended to complete the dark surge

[silver birch]

Jade ? Is it the peach ?

[grim sequoia]

Dude, Zheng Ruan died as a CHILD

[wicked prawn]

Iirc correctly in mistveil the frozen blooms blooming there caused the bone chill affliction that everyone around suffer from. And then hollow vale is stationed there which I know, sleeping puppetd are connected to them idk how yet. Ah! It all makes sense now! I was so confused with dature, the frozen blooms, and sleeping puppets before.

[silver birch]

The jade is the golden peach ?

[grim sequoia]

The game doesn't spare NPCs of any age

[iron canyon]

You can see dream puppet as a disease & has different variations. Different ingredients can produce different strength of the poison, like datura & dawn to dusk flowers (kaifeng has a fair share of info about this)

[wicked prawn]

Yes of course. I know he redeemed himself at the end. And that was a fantastic way to show it. Even tho it was too late for his daughter, he chose to carry the golden peach instead.

A good character will have its lows. For him when he got sucked in by the court. And a good end of his story too.

[wicked prawn]

Maybe I should 100% kaifeng soon

[mystic idol]

PS Sage was hunted by Longwu soldiers/wanderers just like Fang Bai, so it’s assumed he was injured eventually and succumbed to them

[iron canyon]

Dream Puppets has 4 types we know so far:

1. Sun BuQi & Aureate Pavilion's version (Ashen & Glorious Dream Puppets, glorious version are the ones that have tasted blood), made from Datura flowers, that can be seen in mistveil forest & gleaming abyss
2. Dawn to Dusk version (originally harmless), left mad scientist Sun Bu Qi (again) that caused the poison mist in the forest, affecting sorrowfield villagers, Zheng E and Zhu Yu
3. Frostbone, caused by the chaos where the commoners are suffering from hunger and cold, source unknown, but it's a physical representation of a poem verse 朱门酒肉臭，路有冻死骨 from Du Fu that means the commoners were suffering and died from hunger and cold, while the wealthy were enjoying their lives with wine and meat, which became rotten/spoilt due to the amount being overly excessive (that's why they yearn for warmth, since they died because of the cold, you see them in liangzhou)
4. 冻死骨 (If i translate it literally, it's called dead frozen bone, I played qinchuan in cn so im not too sure about the en name, Lan Ao was infected by this, also called Hollow Vale), nothing much is known yet, but it shows similar symptoms with the 2nd & 3rd version, in the jianghu, it's called the Dream Puppets that can never die nor have its existence wiped. The aspects you saw in the notes is basically using poison to fight poison (which is not a solution for the long run)

[wicked prawn]

Ooohhhh wait tasted blood made from datura?

[silver birch]

did huaishen have the golden peach too, i think i missed the part that talks about that

last one to have it that i know of is yichao

dont know if he passed to his nefew

[crimson birch]

yes he did but he never got to open the box yichao gave him

[crimson birch]

yi chao did gave it to huaishen

[silver birch]

oh yea, the box, curse my memory

i m still confused about way more things that i care to admit

they should just make lore into a written blog or something in their website

the chronological order messes with my head

[grim sequoia]

Just remember CZX is the reason of our melon's current temperament

[silver birch]

what s a CZX

a toyota ?

[grim sequoia]

Chen Zixi

[silver birch]

never heard that name

[grim sequoia]

I happen to shorten Chinese names to initials sometimes

.........

Are you serious, do you even read the subtitles of the prologue?

[silver birch]

noway i dont know a key figure

i must be from past liangzhou

it*

[grim sequoia]

He's literally in the opening cutscene of the game

[silver birch]

the jiang homie ?

the cool femboy

[grim sequoia]

Chen Zixi one of the first two characters in that prologue

How can you be so story dense?

Get out of this chat

[silver birch]

damn hahaha dont crash out on me like that

talking that way with such a profile picture is funny to me

[grim sequoia]

Did you even do all the quests and wandering tales?

[silver birch]

like an angry cute little orange kitten

[grim sequoia]

.........

[silver birch]

be nice little one

[grim sequoia]

Get out

[silver birch]

NO !

[grim sequoia]

Stop acting like you know the lore better

[silver birch]

i m literally asking questions lil homie, it means i dont know... do you like have autism ?

just so i know how to treat you

[grim sequoia]

Yi Dao comments how our melon is nothing like Han Xiangxun

Our character is known to be quite snarky and unserious when talking to NPCs

[silver birch]

let me look for it

found it

[grim sequoia]

Dialogue choices go from being nice to outright rude

[silver birch]

what in the hell are you even talking about, bro thinks he s a jianghu hero

[mystic idol]

Chen Zixi is Jiang’s friend from the prologue yeah

[grim sequoia]

Speaking from someone who directly follows CN text

Chen Zixi is Jiang Yan's longtime friend

[mystic idol]

the one who took the hit for him during void king fight

[silver birch]

thank yyou, i asked if it was him n lil homie started flaming me XD

[grim sequoia]

They've known each other since before their military days

[silver birch]

does the lore talk more about him ? like a major key figure ?

[grim sequoia]

At times, they often drink in secret and out of Wang Qing's sight who btw forbids drinking within the military

[silver birch]

cause i can swear i never encountered his name, maybe like very very few times, too few to remember

[mystic idol]

he’s not highlighted much atm yeah

[silver birch]

thats what i thought

see @grim sequoia this his how people communicate

[grim sequoia]

There's like only a few stuff about Chen Zixi in Uncle Jiang's profile, Nameless Blade Art and Twisted Destiny

[silver birch]

when they dont have random autism attacks

[grim sequoia]

I don't like your opinion

[silver birch]

go play legos

XD

[grim sequoia]

Btw the upcoming Encounter quests in Blissful Retreat tavern that aren't voiced will have Chen Zixi

[silver birch]

you re up to date with CN contant ?

[grim sequoia]

I just talked with some who are

[silver birch]

i wanna know if they ll develop much into the main story

do we get closer to knowing the identity of YM n stuff

[iron canyon]

Datura created ashen dream puppets, glorious are those who tasted blood (fiercer version of ashen)

[iron canyon]

devs debunked that YM is just an orphan from the battlefield, clearly there are a lot more plotholes so to be announced, the story is flowing so it takes time

[silver birch]

and how far is CN in terms of regions

[grim sequoia]

An orphan FOUND in the battlefield, there's no given explanation to why they're here or why they have the jade.

[celest flume]

Qingzhou just dropped for them a few weeks ago

[silver birch]

i m just worried the game might die before they finish the story

[lean magnet]

Hey just want to ask if veiled lady our actual sister? If harmonizer are supposed to be a rare type of ppl then two babies that happen to have that type of ability lying in the battlefield is bit sus

[iron canyon]

I can only say that, global is very much fortunate than CN with smoother story flow & more rapid releases, so yep

[celest flume]

"The other sibling" in terms of fate but we dun have clues if we're blood related

[unreal kayak]

It will not die. At least not the CN version. But Free to play, blantantly predatory micro transaction games generally don't do well internationally. This game is exactly that.

[iron canyon]

it's safer so assume that we are not blood related, the chances are there but slim, mot of them are still speculations so feel free to imagine (we can know more stuff when the story about zhongdu bridge war is out)

[silver birch]

i mean, i dont undertand the transaction hate, just dont buy stuff

its not a valid reason to kill a game

[grim sequoia]

It's massive in CN but heavily alienated in Global because of how often they filtered weirdos

[unreal kayak]

You do realize that the energy system, the lack of content and long wait. All this are a part of the business model. To frustrate people to spend more right?

[lean magnet]

The CN sever have already the Zhongdu bridge out. Wouldn’t they already have the answer or at least a clue

[silver birch]

really ? maybe cause i dont play THAT much anymore, i m always full on energy and got too much contant to go through

[celest flume]

Too vague to assume

[lean magnet]

[insert swear words]

[iron canyon]

that's because the region isn't completed yet, so there's not enough proof

[grim sequoia]

The Campaign has a bunch of big lore drops and even bigger mysteries yet unraveled til MUCH later

||Remember, in this house we will always hate and slander Du Chongwei||

[lean magnet]

By the way, what is the original form of the golden peach? Like I know it’s will end up as two jade disc in the future but even one of the longyu guard at the beginning area of qinchun said it doesn’t even look like a golden peach.

[iron canyon]

Even though it's not clearly stated, but from what we know, Lady Gongsun took a real "Gold Peach" (it's marked in quotation marks for a reason) and passed it to guoxin, so I think you pretty much have the answer, the gold peach is just a name, plus the jade (most probably) already broke into 2 (or 3) back in liangzhou, from this song: #📖lore-chat message

[unreal kayak]

Really? That sounds more like you don't play the game at all. Most people ran out of energy in less than an hour.

[celest flume]

quick sweep energy to 0 in 30 seconds

[lean magnet]

I still find it weird they couldn’t call it jade peach. It’s not even made out of gold

[iron canyon]

The origins came from myths/rumours, that LiLongJi (creator of the Masked Troupe sect), was offered a treasure that was recorded as the Gold Peach, yet rumors started to spread regarding the item, so Lady Gongsun (second leader of masked troupe) took a "Gold Peach" and gave it to Guo Xin. The word "Gold Peach" is already quotation marked here, no one knows if the original gold peach is real or not, but this "Gold Peach" is real, people wouldn't care the truth, they just know it's powerful & because of its mysterious nature, everyone would want to have a taste or get to know it. Which is why it had always been a piece of jade from the start.

[silver birch]

i dont use it after i got all my legendary gear n the skiils i use to tier 6

i save my pills for new drops, so whenever new gear drops, i got like 12/15 pills

[unreal kayak]

I don't see you play the game if that is your take on it. I have 2 accounts with Lendary gear tier 6. So I don't know why you think your argument make sense.

[silver birch]

i m not arguing anything, what is wrong with u people

fighting wind

[mystic idol]

ehh, i don’t think this game is blatantly predatory, maybe if you find yourself always wanting only the shiniest new thing

[unreal kayak]

You have a serious lack of selfawareness. Your responds were argumentative in nature.

[mystic idol]

but the game doesnt really force you to pay into microtransactions like most other f2p games

[silver birch]

this is argumentative ?

[crimson birch]

at least it's not very p2w in terms of fighting and stuff mostly the cosmetics

[unreal kayak]

Or intellectually dishonest? Take a pick?

[mystic idol]

yeah, exactly

[silver birch]

you re more sensitive than a clitoris bro

[unreal kayak]

Sure.

[mystic idol]

but cosmetics are susceptible to people’s preference

[silver birch]

sometimes people just say words, like a conversation

[unreal kayak]

Of course you do.

[silver birch]

not everything has malice behind, and not everyone wants to argue, sometimes they just share

[crimson birch]

that plus the game's story prob won't make me leave anytime soon too ngl it's well written

[mystic idol]

it’s not like other gacha games where you’re soft-forced to pay to keep up with meta and achieve same level of gameplay

[unreal kayak]

I am so convinced.

[crimson birch]

i'm having flashbacks about those games now that you mention it just spend this tiny amount to become vip lvl1! and you slowly spiral

[silver birch]

as long as its not a pay to upgrade stats

n get an edge in pvp

you cant say anything about it

[crimson birch]

for now the p2w of pvp is having good internet and ping /hj

[mystic idol]

ah yeah those games, I’ve gone through too many of them

[mystic idol]

lol true, and on top paying for gfn

[silver birch]

the only edge u get from the game by paying is the battle pass

cause it gives u some pills for energy

[crimson birch]

pvp gfn tax payer

[unreal kayak]

They don't have to do the traditional way. They just have to frustrate you in other "non stats" form or features of the game. How do you think they make money? Give you something free out of charity?

[mystic idol]

its not a crime for a game to make money

[crimson birch]

plus quick shop, and some pulls or harmonic core if you're very very lucky

yeah ppl gotta eat and employees to pay

[silver birch]

please explain how they frustrate you XD

[unreal kayak]

Did not say it is a crime. But it is sure disgusting if you understand what they are doing.

[silver birch]

can i say the same about nike, they frustrate me by making sick shoes for 2000$

or an expensive house, they make it soo nice, they wanna force me to buy it

[iron canyon]

in the end spending or not is totally up to the players, there are still players who remained true to themselves and don't spend a single bit XD

[silver birch]

XD brother c mon

[unreal kayak]

For one, the are too little contents in the game. I can finish each new content in less than 3hrs.

Then we wait for 2 months or so

[mystic idol]

now i know for certain you’re not doing all the content

[crimson birch]

i mean most gacha games also follow same cycle, no?

but 3hours all gold for the region?

[unreal kayak]

In the mean time, you can only play stupid party games or pvp.

[mystic idol]

if you think doing mainstory and new dungeons are all the content there is

[silver birch]

look, lets not run around aimlessly, bad practice, is money = pvp edge, thats it

[mystic idol]

then thats literally not finishing all the content, its doing what you’re interested in

[unreal kayak]

And of course the energy system

[silver birch]

skins, and stuff, they make em, they can sell em the way they want, idc if its a million dollars for hair

dont buy it, you are not forced

thats how it works in literally everything in life

[mystic idol]

have you never played gacha/cn games?

this isn’t new

hasn’t been in many years

[crimson birch]

yeah kuro games hoyoverse they all follow similar cycles

[unreal kayak]

I have, so this will be the last one. I generally dislike this kind of dumb business model.

[silver birch]

besides, there is arena, forest, n other forms of contant online

[crimson birch]

i mean good for you you know what you dislike

[silver birch]

people bene playing league of legends for almost 2 decades

[mystic idol]

^

[unreal kayak]

Dumb not because the business model is dumb. But the consumers are dumb.

[silver birch]

barely changed anything XD

[mystic idol]

its not for everyone

[unreal kayak]

This kind of business model is the fastest and best way of raking and harvesting simpled people.

[silver birch]

a nike shoe costs 35$ to make, they sell it for 2 grands, i dont see people crying about that

[mystic idol]

I think you need to chill with this holier than thou attitude

you have your personal preferences

others have their own

[silver birch]

buisness is buisness, as long as you re not forced into it, u cant criticize it

criticize capitalism instead

[unreal kayak]

Well, look at the mirror. Maybe you will see something interesting.

[mystic idol]

respect others for having a difference in opinion

[crimson birch]

that is not the clocked the tea you think it is son

[silver birch]

you re broke, and that pisses you off, hating on this makes you feel better about yourself, enjoy your delusion

its obvious lil homie

[unreal kayak]

what happen to respecting other's opinion.🤣

[silver birch]

i would ve respected you if u were criticizing capitalism in general, thats an intelectual take

yours is just a cry broke baby take

[unreal kayak]

sure

[unreal kayak]

wow, nice come back

[silver birch]

you didnt respect mine earlier, i m not going to respect yours, you get what u give

treat people with respect, you ll get the same

[unreal kayak]

Thanks for the lesson about respecting other's opinion, I sure learn alot from you.

[silver birch]

i can also teach you how to make a resume n apply for a job

[unreal kayak]

sure you can\

[crimson birch]

remove https part gng

[silver birch]

you cant send links here ?

[unreal kayak]

You didn't know?

[silver birch]

oh well, i wanted to help but guess i cant, sorry bro

[crimson birch]

only in certain chats mhm

[unreal kayak]

You have already helped me more than you can ever imagined.

Thank you so much.

[silver birch]

aight, lets stop this, its stupid

[unreal kayak]

Now than you figured it out.

[silver birch]

we both crashed out

[unreal kayak]

What take you so long

[silver birch]

see... i wanted to be nice, but you just cant let me

ahahahaha

[unreal kayak]

ahahahaha, yeah

[cunning hare]

Why not stop fighting, mute or block, and touch some grass in Qinchuan Path instead?

[crimson birch]

we all need grass indeed

[cunning hare]

Close enough

[unreal kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[coarse epoch]

Oops umm good morning from USA sc 🥺🙏

https://tenor.com/view/bear-dance-dancing-lit-get-it-gif-14380729

[rose berry]

what is this beautiful place next to hexi

[distant sage]

lol

[muted harness]

Thank you for your help so I can continue progressing in the game

[lofty hinge]

#🌱beginner-questions can help

[vague obsidian]

Boy, i don’t know what’s going on in this game

Every quest just assumes that i know all of the characters, is that normal?

[crimson birch]

the game doesnt explictly tell you what things are happening and this story is set in a high context culture so you kinda have to piece things your own but it def is not smth easy

[crimson birch]

oh did u skip some quests? or is there an instance u remember?

[vague obsidian]

No i rarely skip quests unless i’m on an alt

But if i had to pick an example, i would say the hexi quest where you play as the man with the pipa, i get the undertone that he feels like he isn’t from Chang’an and that he has impostor syndrome but idk if he was actually an impostor or just realllly young and forgot all about his homeland

And the immortal girl, was she just not real the entire time?

Because pipa boy was interacting with her in his dreams and irl but then i got confused

My confusion might also be attributed to playing the quest at 5am

[crimson birch]

TLDR that whole scene from what i understood was him trying to come into terms about his origin and what truly is home from him and part of this is due to his father. his father was originally from chang an but remarried to anothet women who is not from Tang. His father promised him to go back to Changan when he was young however when he remarried he no longer decided to go back again. Feeling betrayed and no sense of home, Liang Daozi clinged onto Changan and claims he is from Changan. But his dilemma starts because he knows nothing much about Changan except from the tales his father told him.

You can see this confusion and dilemma of his during some scenes where he stutters and does not want to play the melody of Changan.

[crimson birch]

the immortal girl at the last scene reveal seems to represent that quiet hopeful part of him that still longs home and that initial joy or that is what i intrepreted

[vague obsidian]

Yeah i remember declining a lot of requests to play songs

[crimson birch]

mhm he wants to go back to Changan along the way he forgot what home was like and hence he forgot how to play and his refusal. At the near end he played it again signalling he is finding the home he lost before

btw these are the conclusion I got from the quest because even for me it is still a bit mystical in a sense

[vague obsidian]

Okay that makes sense, can you give me a TLDR of the death of the governor quest?

Was the Governor the married guy who kept calling the people out that assassinated the purple robed guy? Or was the governor the purple robed guy that got assassinated?

I didn’t get the chance to do everyone’s story so i missed out on some lore but from my understanding

Assassin guy - Kinda looks like the giga chads friend, had to kill the governor for an antidote

Wife - wanted to kill governor because she wanted the power that he left behind

Eunuch - was paranoid af and killed purple robed guy

Chad - wanted to kill Eunuch(?) and imagined his old friends were there

[crimson birch]

governor guy is the one you see at the last moment of the quest when you finish the boss fight that is him. his name is Zhang Huaishen. he is the young nephew of Zhang Yichao. and after he is passed down the authority from his uncle, he protected the region of Liangzhou.

The governor quest essentially tells you what exactly went down at the night he was assassinated.

[vague obsidian]

Yeah that seemed like one helluva night

[crimson birch]

The Assassin guy is someone sent from another noble to assassin him correct,

The Wife is actually a distant family of Zhang Huaishen i forgot the relation and she colluded with Huaishen trusted friend the one you see her talking with to in a way end Huaishen's life because of Huaishen's capabilities he has become an eyesore , and many think because of him others cannot shine.

Eunuch was actually a delegate from Changan to read out the imperial edict. The Chad actually wants to make use to the Eunuch to turn the tides to his favor and get rid of Eunuch as a scapegoat

At the end you see three people walking towards Huaishen's study, Eunuch, Assassin and another person which I cant seem to recall. The story seems to hint that all of them actually caused the fall of Huaishen whether either by imperial order or being assassinated. The final boss of the quest reflected that as you can see three heads morph into a single being.

I tried my best to explain but apologies if I get some wrong my brain at 2am is struggling a bit

[vague obsidian]

No you’re doing a great job

You’re opening up my brain to understand the lore

You’re literally my Vaati Vidya

[crimson birch]

oh my XD glad i could help you in any way

[plain star]

The assassin is represent the foreign forces. He was sent by the big birds.

[crimson birch]

oh yeah forgot to add that thx mate

[silver birch]

It was eunuch, assassin (aynur d big bro) and his right hand man (childhood friend)

[grim sequoia]

Given the timestamp is 890 and his appearance by the year he was dead, Zhang Huaishen became more rugged and weak after the betrayal ||while being presumably poisoned from the wine he drank||

[vague obsidian]

Oh the assassin was Aynur’s brother?

That makes sense since he was surprised when monk mentioned something about following a girl w/ special eyes or something

And unless i saw it wrong, Aynur had like heterochromia i think

[celest flume]

Anyur's brother is the assassin right
The nobles gave him that mission bc he believed his sister was still alive(?)

[silver birch]

He didnt know she was, he had no purpose anymore until he realized aynur was alive, right before he realized that he said that being dead or alive was the same, but the moment he knew she was alive still he became set on getting the cure

[plucky moat]

I'm trying to find a lore video on Qianye and I just can't. Can someone point me to a video or explain to me why she is a villain?

[celest flume]

Check out Wwmgirl's videos

[plucky moat]

thanks, i will

[deep lion]

Basically she and her family were enslaving people and one of the people was aunt han and her brother, aunt han escaped but her brother couldn’t

[silver birch]

Its not confirmed that thats Quanye tho

Her first encounter and the boss fight kinda forshadow it but its still only a theory for now

[grim sequoia]

.........

Are you gonna butcher Chinese names again?

[maiden wing]

Qianye*

[spice bolt]

im confused what the heixi storyline is? why is it here who is this old guy does it start to make sense at some point

[plucky moat]

thank you and thank you too @deep lion

[rustic heart]

If playing a health buff role, which martial skills and equipment should you use, guys?

[coarse glade]

wrong chat but if what you mean by “health buff” is healer, then use pancea fan + soulshade umbrella

if you mean tank, use the two martial arts of stonesplit might path. iirc one of them is thundercry spear

[coarse glade]

hexi storyline follows a chain of individual stories that are connected by the theme of “home”. we are living through other people’s lives and in the end we find out more about ourselves and try to continue moving forward following the destruction of blissful retreat.

underneath the surface, there is an object called the golden peach, that passes through the hands of major characters of the hexi storyline. you find out more as you get to the end of hexi (as well as through the dark surge).

there are many plot points that are easily missed so i recommend watching goose girl (formerly wwm girl)’s videos on the quests. it will help you piece together the story

[spice bolt]

ohh ok that makes sense thank you!

[lofty hinge]

#🌱beginner-questions or #🧐pve-build-discussion are the spaces for that. You're in the lore channel, for talking about story.

[iron canyon]

Yeah, the assassin originally already gave up his hope until the monk mentioned about a girl with heterochromia that rekindled his hope that his sister is alive. While the wife is actually Huaishen's sister (YiChao's daughter), who married Suo Jing (I'm not sure who do you mean by chad, I assume you're talking about Suo Jing), Suo Jing was Huaishen's close childhood friend and he's the most complicated person out of all

[iron canyon]

Nothing much is known about her origins, except for the fact that she's working for aureate pavilion (LiZuo), most of the theories we have are only speculations since we don't have enough proof, which also explains why you don't see that much videos about her

[sharp lily]

Suos were a powerful family that were connected by marriage to the Zhangs right

[iron canyon]

Yep you can say that, not to say Suo Jing is incapable (he was actually trusted by Huaishen a lot as huaishen's close right-hand man), but under Huaishen whose ability was widely recognized & seen, Huaishen practically outshone everyone else while Suo Jing was living under the shadows of huaishen which complicates this guy even more

[vague obsidian]

Is the an liuli quest the mc having an awakening?

[iron canyon]

MC is watching their stories, while trying to find a way to face their own ptsd of losing their home

[iron canyon]

The way they shaped this guy to be open ended says a lot as they leave it to the players, whether if we want to bet on his good or bad side. Both possibilities are there, since that day is Huaishen's endgame regardless of Suo Jing's interference (plus he's also suspected to have been plotting behind, yet we never know). After the whole ordeal, he tried fighting against the zhangs, wanting to preserve huaishen's name when huaiding was destroying those evidence (for some reason)...

[lean magnet]

But there was a whole mechanic during the five bane boss fight where he attack you in one of the golden attack despite helping you out.

There is like even an achievement of it if you managed to dodge it.

To me, it’s basically the game shouting he was the culprit or if not one of them

[lean magnet]

Wait he really try to preserve his name? I thought he was one who try to get rid of it

[iron canyon]

yeah, there are hints at fallen liangzhou, huaiding was the one who killed those soldiers who wanted to revenge for huaishen, while Suo Jing was the one going against huaiding (like in 1 wandering tale, there are some old papers/letters preserved, it was suo jing behind)

[lean magnet]

Huh then do you think that even he have a hand in his friend’s death, he still unwilling to ease his existence cuz for huaiding, I can understand as he being jealous for not given the leadership of his own father’s army despite being his son but for suo jing, there is a close bond

[clever trout]

After taking down young emperor ai the later Liang was formed. The founder forced li zuo to leave throne then killed him(irl)/let him live(wwm)

Liang fell to later Tang, and later tang was attacked by khitans, followed by rise of Jin dynasty who operated with khitans(Liao dynasty).

But liao attacked jin when they started not paying tributaries.

Then song X jin took liao khitans down? (Im confused on this part)

The han rose in the power vacuum of neither jin nor liao...

Han got overthrown by Zhou

Big zhao seized throne from Zhou and established Song cuz apparently there was child emperor and China was in risk of foreign invasion (?)

Is that the lore of 5 dynasty and 10 kingdom?

What was the time around aureate pavilion almost befriended khitans... where tian ying and blind lady spilled water on the plan?

And zhongdu bridge battle was when khitans attacked later jin?

Lastly uncle jiang left for jiangnan after song establishment right?

[iron canyon]

Huaiding & suojing are two different cases. For Huaiding it's not only that he's young, but YiChao already saw through and understood the difference between Huaiding (craving for power) & Huaishen (whose goals are aligned with his uncle), Huaishen also treated & took care of Huaiding like his own little brother before YiChao entered Chang'an, these two were also close. For Suo Jing, he has always been in the grey area, that he could step on any sides whenever he wanted to. He was dragging on & not giving his wife an answer, and also threatened his wife before for Huaishen (from the antiques), but at the same time, he was the one taking care of Huaishen's meals all this time, and Huaishen was bedridden not only bc of the injuries of the assassination, but poison, which makes suo jing a huge suspect. His thoughts had been wavering back an forth unlike the others (Huaiyue, Huaiding, Eunuch, Assassin etc). To me, I would rather bet on his "evil" side, but you could also argue that he did all of this because he knew there's no way to save Huaishen, so might as well join in to pull him out of misery. Then regarding his acts of trying to preserve Huaishen's name, one can argue that it's either because of how he was consumed by guilt (from the way Huaishen decided to trust him one last time for the Gold Peach), or that it's truthful that he wanted to do anything within his power for his friend

[median plume]

GUYS,the Imperial palace Is coming!

[iron canyon]

I'll recommend you to watch this video from WWM Girl, it's a bit complicated: https: //youtu.be/eYXLehSbDu4?si=6kTjqJjdNjrtA31T. Regarding Big Zhao's ascension, not to say he seized the throne, but rather it was Chai Rong who already planned to pass it to him (since Chai Rong's son was only 7), for this, you can search up chenqiao munity. A very brief flow about 5D10K: Late Liang 907-923 (Zhu Wen, after ursurping the throne from LiZuo) -> Late Tang 923-936 (Li Ke Yong, who had been rivals with Zhu Wen as you saw in game) -> Late Jin 936-947 (Shi JingTang, giving away the Yanyun 16 prefectures to Khitan in 936) -> Late Han 947-950 (After the zhongdu bridge war, central plains were a huge mess where ppl from the central plains attempted to resist the Khitans, LiuZhiYuan found a chance and entered kaifeng successfully since the khitans were retreating, but zhou overthrew them) -> Late Zhou 951-959 (Chai Rong passed in 959 due to illness, chenqiao munity happened in 960)

[lean magnet]

Tbh the part on he trying to put huaishen out of his misery depend if he not the one who put posion in his food. Have it been clear on that matter as I alway under in the impression that he was the one who did it

[lean magnet]

I AM GOING TO SLAP EVERY MINSTERS I GOING TO SEE. SCREW THE GOVT…Sorry big Zhao

[median plume]

Slap battles Is the best thing in this update by far hands down😭

[iron canyon]

aureate pavilion was established during 943 (from the game), LiZuo was already planning something with the khitans before the war (946), while Southern Tang had been maintaining a diplomatic relationship with the khitans for 20+ years. Their relationship (Tang & Khitan) was severed because of the Breeze Post Incident that happened in 959 (by Tian Ying).

[iron canyon]

Mhm, they didn't make it clear, so it's vague just like how Huaishen's death was a mystery, no records of the murderer, wwm is portraying the possibilities

[median plume]

I understood nothing😁👍🏿

Im too smart

[crimson birch]

even though his death and exact cause of unknown it is still a bit consolation that we were at least be able to perform a touching funeral for him along with his master

[grim sequoia]

They did like more than three possible ways he died to screw with them: slowly die from poison, assassination or execution etc

[clever trout]

Gotcha. The southern tang is the same that came after liang?

[clever trout]

Alright then, on to the video

[iron canyon]

Southern Tang was established in 937, roughly the same time as Late Jin

[crystal fable]

how can i do "the unspeakable victory" achievement if the bosses are not resting in my game?

[vague obsidian]

I like this chat

I’m genuinely learning a lot

I just finished the quest with An Liuli and Guinyin and although i was a little confused about what was going on i thought it was nice

Now i’m finally in the 3rd area of Hexi

And i’m again a little confused

[crimson birch]

paper moon :3 sweet at first heartwrecking at the end

[vague obsidian]

Is there like a bounty on our MCs head? Alot of the enemies mention wanting to fight the wanderer

And i fought some emo looking guy with a Mo Blade

I haven’t progressed too far after that as it was 3am and i was tired

But i am excited to play the story there

On a side note i think i broke the opening cutscene because i accidentally teleported there before i finished Liangzhou and met a guy who gave me a map and mistook me for his penpal

[crimson birch]

it's because of the golden peach and they think wanderer is the one who is carrying it towards to Qinchuan.

[crimson birch]

nope it's as how it should be

[vague obsidian]

Oh okay

Oh a golden peach

[crimson birch]

the name can be misleading but it isn't exactly a peach

[vague obsidian]

Does it grant like immorality or something?

[rotund parrot]

its the jades

one of them u wear at the beginning of the game

[vague obsidian]

Oh the one we own when we name our MC?

[rotund parrot]

yes

[crimson birch]

though I wonder if Uncle Jiang would also be affected by the golden peach/jade

[vague obsidian]

Wasn’t that one stolen by the guy who looked like uncle jiang?

It’s been like 6 months since i saw that cutscene

[rotund parrot]

no, we were some random baby that carried it

uncle jiang just took us

and everyone looks for the jade

[vague obsidian]

Ohh okay

[crimson birch]

that is uncle jiang

[rotund parrot]

yes but he didnt steal it he was just picking us up

[crimson birch]

though i wonder why both YM and baichuyuu have that

[crimson birch]

she meant the opening scene i think

[rotund parrot]

no idea

ahh

there were allegedly 2 or 3 jades combined into golden peach

each has their own story in hexi

[vague obsidian]

Oh are we a hexi baby that was stolen at birth?

I guess it’s spoilers but idm

[rotund parrot]

no

[crimson birch]

who ym is still a mystery

there are 3 popular theories for now

[rotund parrot]

hexi is already the previous era, and theres a long time skip until we arrived to the uncle jiang opening cutscene

[crimson birch]

first ym is related to wang qing, 2nd li zuo, 3rd ym is just truly a random baby

[crimson birch]

so what happened was that hexi, liangzhou, qinchuan is during the tang era and at the last region tang is already at its fall

[vague obsidian]

Oh okay

[rotund parrot]

thats the story of guo xin who is the general holding the last castle of the tang era

at jade gate pass

[crimson birch]

if you completed the hexi surge you will get a cutscene of how the golden peach is given to multiple people zhang yichao -> huaishen .... until it ended up to the bet between li zuo and wangqing

[vague obsidian]

And since we entered Hexi through the painting in Qinghe we were able to visit the past

[rotund parrot]

correct

[vague obsidian]

Ah that makes sense to me

Was Guo xin the “Do you hold?” Guy?

[rotund parrot]

yes i think

[vague obsidian]

What a chad

[crimson birch]

the old general with yellow armor at the whitecrown fortress campaign quest yes

[rotund parrot]

that and also when the tang fall not a lot of people can make it on the outer regions to announce new dynasty

so they keep holding the castle

[crimson birch]

hence the fortress did not know that and still fighting for the already fallen dynasty

[rotund parrot]

when burlap sack shows the coins the coins was printed "15th year of Dali" to which does not exists due to the place not updated on the situation

[vague obsidian]

Ohhh

That makes sense

They had lost contact but held their duty still

[rotund parrot]

indeed

[rotund parrot]

i like the first hexi region story most out of the 3

problem is that they tried experimenting a lot so hexi story gameplay wasnt the best

[crimson birch]

burlap sack story is quite relatable he is not extraordinary but yet he persist because of a promise he made to the old friend. hence the seeds getting carried as they should

[rotund parrot]

yea and they made that the tale of how china got cotton

liangzhou story is cool but started getting ruined by being a walking simulator

[crimson birch]

yeah some ppl say the burlap sack quest plus the governor quest had too much walking and boring gameplay. for me i am just reading it like crazy so i didn't have much time to even get bored except that i can't sprint in the quest

[rotund parrot]

burlap sack is ok, i think a lot of westerners dont understand much context about the story so its hard to engage

[vague obsidian]

Yeah gameplay was a lot to be desired but all of the lore of all of these otherwise normal people really keeps you interested

[rotund parrot]

death of the governor is the worst for me

[vague obsidian]

Like idk about yall but i enjoy playing as people with no plot armor

[rotund parrot]

i do too

[vague obsidian]

Especially if they make a large impact still

[rotund parrot]

i just feel like theres more u can do than just

press W

[vague obsidian]

Yeah

I agree, i was hyping myself to tackle the Governor quest because people said it took a long time to complete

Uh for the most part i have been playing on 3x speed to speed up the quests so that i can catch up

Luckily i can read fast

[rotund parrot]

ahh

fair

the story is interesting and tragic but pass a certain point u dont really feel engaged anymore due to dragged out gameplay

[vague obsidian]

But i was still confused as WWM has the habit of assuming that i am familiar with all of these characters they introduce me to. Hence why i ask so many questions

[rotund parrot]

its ok lmao i was clueless too until i search them up

[vague obsidian]

Even if i sit down and play the story without speed ups/skipping i end up confused

I think it just may be like due to translation errors or something

Idk

[rotund parrot]

there's a lot of part that i feel like they machine translated

so yes sometimes its lost in translation

[crimson birch]

we need more investment on the translation team ngl

experienced human translator who also knows the context of the story

[vague obsidian]

Yeah i think once they get to solid stopping point in the game they should go back and focus on translation

I know they rushing to catch us up to CN and i respect it

But a lot of people, myself included are confused lol

[plain star]

all of it is machine translate.
english may polish a bit
but other localization's quality is just unacceptable.

[crimson birch]

yeah according to brave just taking the cn name literally and just saying 3 layers of mud is unacceptable

[lean magnet]

Tbh it’s was made for the Chinese audience before coming here. Hell I even hear they did not expect the amt of success with global

I know damn well they can afford a good translator with the amt of money that the whales are throwing at them. I still can’t understand why they decide to rely on machine translation

[crimson birch]

yeah it will be very foreign and hard to understand for most global audience esp the concept of jianghu, wuxia, court vs the jianghu separation and entanglement plus subtle cultural stuff you don't get unless you have the language literarcy to search it up or have grew up in said culture itself or indulge yourself in adjacent medias

[plush skiff]

Just passed by the Sunken City lake part of Qinchuan, whats with the person singing around it? Thats all that plays no music whatsoever

[coarse epoch]

Grand morning

[merry quest]

And sometimes it’s like this

[lean magnet]

That was a moment where doing the NMW sect quest. The fake will of heaven dude started speaking in Chinese which weirdly fit

[merry quest]

Uh it was in hexi mist forest quest

[lean magnet]

I was talking another moment where something similar happen to me though I never run into this promble when I did the quest

Maybe it’s was fixed

[merry quest]

Ah sorry i misunderstood what u said

[lean magnet]

Nah it fine

[merry quest]

I had so many untranslated parts in sunken city lake quest and also at the scene where we found ||our painter friend’s body||

[north pivot]

There are some localization issues

[lean magnet]

Wait really?! cuz it’s was English throughout for me

[north pivot]

They seem to be random, I didn't have any problems there

[crimson birch]

yeah same for me too

[merry quest]

Also it happened in very important moments like these as well

[lean magnet]

Wait when did you play the quest? Cuz I start it and finish it yesterday, maybe they did fix it or there is some weird bug going on

[merry quest]

I played everything in two days after they came out haha

[lean magnet]

Might be that cuz it was English throughout the whole thing

Still no quality control despite how much the whales spend

[north pivot]

Me too, so maybe it's more like a glitch, than lack of proper translations

[merry quest]

Yeah but i don’t really wanna complain much tho. Stuff like this happens all the time. The game is more than good enough. And it’s not like everyone is having the issue so yeah no big deal. Just inconvenient at some point.

[lean magnet]

Ya but you can’t be complacent in it. Like we as a players must always except the best out of a game especially when there are people spending more than 20k for a boat

[merry quest]

Yeah i sent feedbacks too. But still i can’t go around shtting on the game imo.

Tho itd be the best if it doesn’t happen again of course

[lean magnet]

Ah true true, there are still good things from this game.

[north pivot]

Well, we strayed from lore with this discusion

[lean magnet]

At this point, it more wrong to see this lore channel to not talk about other thing then lore

[wraith sigil]

man Big Zhao really let himself go after ascension

the palace life must've been too comfortable

[vague obsidian]

Big Zhao became happy and unbothered

[merry quest]

Sorry about that

[lofty hinge]

Digressions happen

And it does affect your ability to like...enjoy the story.

We can Nine Mortal Ways this.

[orchid canopy]

People still believe that we can get in harmonic core in nine mortal ways ??

[vague obsidian]

I technically got one there

But not how everyone said they got theirs

[coarse epoch]

How’s everyone

[crimson birch]

yeah but its a fake one XD

[north trench]

@scenic obsidian @iron canyon @crimson birch @celest flume and others.
Guy do you think wwm lore delivery is good.

I just discovered concept of good vs bad delivery of lore

[vague obsidian]

no

their lore delivery feels off

like a cheap mobile game

but i enjoy the lore

[north trench]

Oh thanks for opinion

[crimson birch]

I think it is good but only to those who have back ground in Chinese history, culture and those who grew up in it

For foreign audience esp those who do not know the concept of Jianghu, Wuxia, it falls flat.

Mainly due to the story assuming some pre knowlege, inference, show dont tell, and piece yourself together style

I am not sure about a lot of western games but I feel like Westetn Audience is more used to getting info fed instead of having to piece things very carefully

Ofc WWM lore delivery is not always the best and the execution can fall flat sometimes aka burlap sack, governor for notable examples

However they do not play around with lore and takes accurate yet their own wwm twist on historical facts so I do think it will become slowly better

[foggy tiger]

Going into hexi on the boat will have western audience going oh there're nice flags"
Chinese audience go "those are poems I've read them before in my childhood"

It just hits different and unfortunately it's just a culture difference which isn't really translatable

[lofty hinge]

I personally like piecing things together and visual metaphor/symbolism, as opposed to the usual tacit assumption that we can't tread water deeper than three inches.

[crimson birch]

Yup I especially notice this difference because I have no knowledge of them and for those who grew up with it it will invoke a different sense of feelings

[north trench]

Thanks you for telling

[lofty hinge]

I think it might help if text were translated though, so an overseas audience has the context that these are poems. Some, like me, might look them up if they could read them.

[foggy tiger]

Yeah and it kind of have a domino effect. Chinese have more contextual clues like "oh those are Li Bai poems" and before u go into the well the girl was reciting a Li Bai poem, and Li Bai was a Tang dynasty poet. There's a fair bit of background info that gives clues but those can't just be translated into English

[crimson birch]

Ngl im not sure if you know but in anime sometimes there are translator notes and also from another netease game dream and lethe records they have what they call foot notes I feel like implementing those could help a bit

[lofty hinge]

There's a curious trend of skipping text in localization lately, not just WWM, that can leech out context or potential understanding. For example, on dubs, Crunchyroll will not provide translations of onscreen letters or notes... But if you select subtitles they do.

I personally want to read

[foggy tiger]

Like if I didn't know what's going on, I'd be on the boat thinking oh wow the golden buildings are nice. But they're getting destroyed what's happening

[crimson birch]

huh strange

[foggy tiger]

So.. Western audience need to do a bit of homework to understand the lore. Luckily there's quite a few good YouTuber that describe the stuff quite well

[lofty hinge]

I absolutely love footnotes and translator notes, I will eat those right up anytime they're available to me.

Delicious context and insight

[crimson birch]

fr i love reading those esp cause they sometimes do shift the vibe and how grave something is insantly

[foggy tiger]

Yea I read all the stuff. Even each teleport stone has descriptions. Really cool. The Chinese characters on each teleport stone writes the name of the place as well

[north trench]

Wow nice. I never noticed that. If not mistaken that type of stone there is in real life. Is there name for that

[lofty hinge]

Right? There's also why the translator made a decision, and I appreciate the art of reaching equivalency in the target language. How they give us the same meaning is super interesting, since verbatim translation doesn't always carry the right meaning over.

[foggy tiger]

Eh not really. Kinda maybe. Usually village or towns have a stone sign that reads the name of the town. But that's not different from western towns

[north trench]

Oh. Probably i just seeing wwm prop hahaha

[crimson birch]

hence i do feel like wwm localization can actually have more potential than what we have rn TT

[foggy tiger]

Ya a lot of puns don't get translated. Like there's this npc in kaifeng stuck on the roof and can't get down, another that's on the ground and can't get up

The name xia bulai in Chinese phonetically sounds the same as "can't get down"

I'm still keeping a signpost alive that translates this pun for western players

If they had a dedicated localisation team they probably could have made it better. Like name him Khan Decend or something

[lofty hinge]

Bless you, I sure do read signposts for things like this since they pop up every so often and darn those are fun details.

[lofty hinge]

Gosh that reminds me of Granblue (Cygames has in-house localization) changing Shirou to Nick and I will forever embrace that because it's in the service of another character calling him Mecha-Nick and it's an immaculate pun for his character specifically. I'd be happy to see the same in WWM where appropriate.

Sometimes wordplay is meaningful and specific and it works.

[twilit helm]

Dude wheres general

[crimson birch]

which general

[lofty hinge]

I submitted a suggestion for a general chat channel recently and I hope they implement it because it's both a curious omission and the reason lore channel catches so many newbies treating it like genchat.

Assuming you meant that and not a general. If you meant the latter, don't mind me

[twilit helm]

Nah we had 1 before they removed it it was weird we had off topic and a general, off topic was 30 seconds cool down, general was 1 min and mobile chat was 15 secs cool down

[lofty hinge]

Oh, I see.

[lean magnet]

Wasn’t there a fearful guy named courage in qinchuan at the lion burrow? Or is my Chinese failing me

[lean magnet]

I thought they change the name to martial pavilion

[mint spade]

Ugh, I was too busy to finish the game as the lore updated but damn, Hexi ending sure went hard and I missed the best time to talk about it

I aspire to one day be someone worthy of having a banger entrance theme like Fangbai... And damn, I hated how over the top dramatic the desert region stories were about how hard people had it at the time, but by the end of Hexi everything tied up together so nicely, and the ending song really hits different.

[lean magnet]

Tbh they rlly have it hard, like imagine living one moment when you are promised peace and prosperity then the next moment it come crumbling down and plus you live in a desert which is never a good place to live unless you can constantly get water and food but unfortunately the god damn country is in a civil war to care about ppl like you. And the best part is just get worse from here

[mint spade]

Well yea, but the way they went to make the MC start feeling melodramatic about all the stories in the desert just felt way too forced with "ARE YOU CRYING YET?!"

thankfully they toned it down with Liangzhou.... But then Liangzhou upped the boring walking simulator side of the storytelling tenfold

[crimson birch]

the region is very desert and the dynasty is falling gng people will have it hard

[mint spade]

Qinchuan is a perfect tying up of the story and really elevated the region as a whole though

[crimson birch]

Maybe it didn't hit well for you but the desert is basically people waiting to connect back with their homeland which is already difficult because of the distance and hard to reach communication plus they can't go back exactly

[crimson birch]

mhm it also signals the final fall of tang dynasty

[crimson birch]

Yeah, the part of the water I forgot the quest name but them keep digging for water source and never giving up

just for the sole sake of even if we can't find water we will continue on for the future generations in hopes of one day they will be able to find water

really hits hard ngl

[mint spade]

It hit hard for me, all the way up to the end, and I was crying by the end but it overflowed when the MC joined in and began shouting "WE'RE GOING HOME" and it brought me out of the story

and that was how I felt about every desert story

[merry quest]

Wellspring of hope was peak story

[lean magnet]

I will agree to disagree on that statement as you are watching a man who is trying his hardest just to fulfill a promise from his dead friend. It was not too hard to feel but melodramatic.

Although I am okay with the walking simulator but I can see how this is boring to others as ppl except this to be a action rpg

[mint spade]

I was super touched and felt "THIS HITS HARD" and then they tried to tie it up and it got too much

[royal plover]

Yeah look at his next generation in mainland instead digging water they doing tiktok dance

[lean magnet]

The best part is that til now ppl still rely on those wells to survive in the desert so it was never a waste to begin with

[crimson birch]

yeah walking simulator i feel like is their way of trying to show how grueling it is to walk the desert which i felt fit but i guess some don't like it which is valid

[iron canyon]

To me it's like a dish that depends on people's preference. Yes, it requires a lot of cultural & history background but the satisfaction once you thread everything up is just incomparable, even cn people struggled to understand the stories but there are a fair share of content creators that help them organize everything. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea but once you find your interest you're very much immersed

[mint spade]

Like, if after you find the two men who finally struck water, the MC didn't have this hallucination of memories rushing past as they're walking out, with apparitions of people walking toward the water source to sacrifice their lives to dig just a bit deeper...

And the MC just walked out of that well, against the flow of water, to the outside world, it would've ended perfectly

[lean magnet]

I feel it more fitting toward that slow and melancholy tone they were going for. It’s a stories of ppl trying to survive in a world that is collapsing around them

[crimson birch]

they did walked out of that well tho? it ended perfectly according to your words(?)

[mint spade]

but the ghost apparitions walking by the MC exiting the well, the grand flow of souls, the MC leading their wishes out, that destroyed the somber feels I was having

[royal plover]

But seriously tho, everytime u saw video record by cn ppl, its always end like all of its are stage.

Even for animal saving video, they adopt dog getting rain on the street but its feel stage

[crimson birch]

huh i see

[merry quest]

This. I was so fed up with burlap sack story, all the walking and stuff. Until we reached the cave and we get to talk to everyone who were surviving by digging and digging for water every day. And then the chang-an theme hit. I locked in so hard since then until all the hexi was over. Imo hexi update was really smth.

[mint spade]

Yea, but I mean like they walked out with too many special effects

[crimson birch]

the game one of main selling point is also the visuals so I guess that double down on that but if it feels too much for you valid though

[crimson birch]

staged?

[royal plover]

Yeah mb

[iron canyon]

I think they mean scripted

[crimson birch]

the bandits are all around, the desert is harsh to survive, and even the anxi army people saw as hope is no where to be found yeah... hard times...

[mint spade]

Oh yea, that's it, it felt like I was watching a heartfelt story and then suddenly bam I am seeing the scripted stuff with the special effects and the "Look at this piece going into the Chinese national musem!"

[royal plover]

Like its their own dog but, they let the dog getting wet just for content

[lean magnet]

Okay that part I will disagree with you cuz it’s basically the Mc telling them they are ready to go home. From what I hear from goose girl, ppl alway use the lamp to dig straightforward and so if the lamp is carry I think backward, it’s mean it time to go home

[crimson birch]

hmm i think this is diffirent cultural stuff issue I am from the Asian hemisphere and it feels natural for me

[merry quest]

I think it was there for the impact but fair enough some people might not like it much

[crimson birch]

there are scripted parts in social media in the east but I mean western social media is scripted and staged too you know

[mint spade]

Yes, I know the cultural context, I'm saying the impact was too much, they tried to hard at the beginning

But Liangzhou did it much better, like with the Liangzhou melody

[lean magnet]

Same here, more so where I come from a country where ppl of different nationalities come here to make a living. It’s not hard to wish to come back home. My mom is from china and I know it’s right for her to return back home one day as it is where she from

[royal plover]

So I never believe if there a video but record in cn and by cn ppl, cz i know it must be scripted

[iron canyon]

It's an trial an error process for the devs too and they know no matter how they do it, there will be critisms, if they tone down the effects some people may argue that the souls aren't visible enough or smth else etc

[crimson birch]

yeah that homesickness hits so hard esp when you want to go back home but you wonder where even is home...

[mint spade]

Hoenstly Liangzhou Melody hit pretty hard too... and I'm pretty sure it's one of those stories that hit harder Global than it did for CN players

[merry quest]

I say that it is just preference talking atp cuz some prefer other stories over Liangzhou melody.

[crimson birch]

huh why do you think that? i wouldn't say all videos are not scripted but there are raw moments too? what is with the fixation with cn ppl and social media trend in general and the bias you are having

[iron canyon]

yeah stuff like this do exist in global as well so it's not necessarily only cn

[crimson birch]

tbh it hit harder for cn people living outside of mainland and those who have chinese ancestry and wants to connect with it but is struggling over it for e.g. like me

[royal plover]

Cz that all like that on my yt feed even i dont want watch it

[crimson birch]

have you ever watched douyin/xhs? the actual cn social media?

yt reuploads are cherry picked cn videos you know that right?

mainland chinese ppl rarely use yt, they will mostly use bilibili

[royal plover]

Im not live china so I don't have that app

[mint spade]

Yea, pretty much how I feel too. Leaving China at a young age and never going home because who knows if you'll even like it anymore there, but you still want to reconnect

[lean magnet]

i think it fit more toward the immigrant feeling of not knowing where they belong to. I think its more relateable toward he american audience since there are already flims that deal with this

[crimson birch]

you can open those app with foreign number if you really do want to get rid of your bias...

[merry quest]

U can use xiao hongshu

[mint spade]

and... Finding others, people who were not born in China like you, who want to visit it with you, having friends with different walks of life wanting to explore that part of the world, some of whom are resistant...

[iron canyon]

even though the stories are set in cn, the main theme is something that everyone could relate, despair from long lost lands, war, homesickness, all of these are common emotions that could stir up no matter where the story is set🥹 which is why despite the cultural, historical and language barriers, it works well in global

[lean magnet]

you can download the app, quite simple to download though i suggest you got to yt to learn as i forgot how to

[crimson birch]

yeah I recommended actually diving into the social media apps which are open now to foreign audience to sign up to actually know what the trend is like instead of relying on western media esp from na where there is a lot of sinophobia already

[lean magnet]

i actually never rely on needing a forgien number tbh

[crimson birch]

ah thats good xD i don't have a mainland cn number so i had to make use of my own foreign phone number

[lean magnet]

is ist rlly true, i thought it just fox news

[iron canyon]

rednote is now open to global so you could download it from your playstore

[mint spade]

Can't wait for when we get to see the pivotal war scene that kicked off the entire story, and how brave men and women sacrificed their lives to defend the line and ripping our hearts apart with them feels

[merry quest]

Worst thing about hexi is that every character are so self driven and characterized well that we cant help but fall in love with them and then in the end we realize that we can’t even save them. I think they showed what it feels like to be powerless in hexi storyline. That every slow walk was worth it in the end.

[lean magnet]

idk cuz i remeber trying to help someone from instgram download taobao but its need her passport which i have never come across.

[crimson birch]

sinophobia in NA region? unfortunately it's true asian hate is still a thing over there

[mint spade]

It's ok, everyone is doomed, we can't save anyone, not even our Big Bro Zhao, we just gotta get used to it.

[crimson birch]

yup esp since hexi (jade gate pass, liangzhou, qinchuan) is all in the past and they are all already gone

[iron canyon]

it probably depends on the country(? im not too sure about that too since I can use my own foreign number (not mainland) and register just fine or it could be that they tightened the rules again

[lean magnet]

cuz they are common folks like us, this is not a power fantasy where we can play the hero and save ppl. There is a high chance that we will be in their shoes if we born in those time

[iron canyon]

||Zhongdu Bridge war will be the one||

[crimson birch]

||i just look at the spoilers and even those make me feel like my heart is getting ripped out straight from the chest esp the npcs...||

[lean magnet]

i guess so cuz i can use my number and it was fine, i pretty sure i can sign up now and there be no issues

[mint spade]

The Burlap Sack final scene was hard for that precise reason.

Normally we're the god tier martial artist Young Wintermelon, but for once we see what happens when we're a regular joe using our cheat parry skill

[crimson birch]

||we are talking to them once happily and when you use wind sense to see their names, they're... ||

[mint spade]

Even though he burned his life for one final fight a parry is getting stabbed so he can stab them back

[crimson birch]

really puts into point that unless you are someone who can learn martial arts the common people is very fragile the birds we fight like cr4p everyday and doesn't mind yeah they are deadly to the regular folks

[iron canyon]

||I've already shed so much tears atp no matter how many times I came across the clips it would stir up my emotions😭 I can't imagine how I would be when the quest is out and I experience everything||

[merry quest]

Exactly. Legit i came for the Chinese expensive dress up game but stayed after falling in love with the story.

[crimson birch]

time to prepare our tissue boxes

[high bear]

Anyone want to do sword trials?

[iron canyon]

and it's exactly what life was back then, when commoners live's value are close to none, it's becoming a norm that this day you may be having a normal day and at night, war began

[crimson birch]

have you tried in #looking-for-group ? i think you might have better chances there

[high bear]

Ahhh I clicked the wrong group haha

[royal plover]

How long palace content gonna be, 3 month?

[crimson birch]

that's why lowk appreciating the story of wwm it highlights the struggle of the common people who are usually neglected or considered as a sacrifice in the bigger picture

[crimson birch]

probably yeah

[royal plover]

When the unseen mountain update?

[crimson birch]

only devs know ngl...

[crimson birch]

Yingying is a victim of the system wdym?

[iron canyon]

from the cn news, roughly 30hrs of content(?, but if you're talking about in game, probably around that range

[royal plover]

Its gonna be like hexi that they seperated it for 3 month?

[merry quest]

Kaifeng was good. But it lacked the impact that Hexi had because in the end of the day, it was a happy ending to the common folks in some ways

[iron canyon]

no, all at once

[mint spade]

She played the market and caused half the issues in Kaifeng by spreading rumors

[crimson birch]

more like happy happy ending it's a bittersweat ending imo

[crimson birch]

that rumors is to be able to solve the coin to paper currency issue though?

(correct me if i'm wrong)

[mint spade]

Uh... No, that's the end of the story. Before the story...

Yingying spread a rumor that Big Zhao is coming to Kaifeng to slaughter the city and caused a riot that caused a massive wave of people to sell their belongings and try to leave Kaifeng

which is why the poverty issue with refugees is so bad

[iron canyon]

that's because big zhao was the one that finally stated to put an end to the 5D10K mess (like, finally there's some changes compared to before that's what I mean)

[merry quest]

Yeah especially with the granny. But there is hope that the future will be better. But hexi is just straight up doomed

[crimson birch]

yeah agree god of avarice is a pain in the ahh tho

[mint spade]

Yingying redemption story is too rushed and too forced if you knew just exactly how much she is involved in screwing over Kaifeng

Because remember that big giant warship you burned down with Rongyuan?

[royal plover]

She cute so i forgive her

[mint spade]

And how we have a bioweapon outbreak in the granary?

and there's a famine and we need to smuggle food?

[iron canyon]

honestly, even without yingying's interference, the conflicts would also be there no matter what, even if yingying wasn't the one doing so, there will be others who will stir up conflicts, it's that kind of mess

[mint spade]

Yea, I get that, but she is the instigator and she acts like she is the savior of Kaifeng and she will save the regular people

so... Yea, no sympathy for people of Kaifeng honestly

Only Granny Turtle and the people from One Leaf One LIfe deserve my sympathy

[crimson birch]

from what I understand the granary is hoarding the grain in a way to prepare for war but there are people who are actually in need of the food which is actually not getting distributed but after we get in the quest it is found the grains are already smuggled to the place it is needed by the master of the grain as far as I remember

[mint spade]

the rest of Kaifeng can burn to hell for all I care.

[crimson birch]

granny losing her son in the war