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[celest flume]

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[silk axle]

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[celest flume]

delete this, irrelevant to the channel

[lofty hinge]

So much nonlore in lore chat

[royal plover]

What the lore we need fight the fish with fish?

[celest flume]

Lord crimson carp?

[royal plover]

Yeah

[keen osprey]

gg

[celest flume]

||If you pay attention to the phases (background), it shows the entire timeline of the tang dynasty from its glory to how it fell. the fish (carp) represents the high ambition of the dynasty and the tail it has which is in the shape of a peony (king of flowers) represents the tang court||

[vale torrent]

🤔

[royal plover]

What, why eith fish. What with black fish

[foggy tiger]

wasnt the writer's best moment. but at least everythng else was great

the fish part was just trying too hard

[lean magnet]

Wait so the poison is not related to the sleeping puppet ones? Like they legit just die and somehow come back as a ghost army. Damn always thought there is a connection

[lofty hinge]

Yeah they're separate things! The WWM world is rich in various poisons. The ghosts are only present during the right hour, in the right place, because they're ghosts. Sleeping puppets are wherever they've been planted, and I'm unsure whether this quest is available after Qinchuan or I just found it then but ||MC is captured with the intention of turning him/her into one by Aureate goons at one point, and you see bodies in the process of being turned||.

[lean magnet]

Wait is the quest where you got kidnapped by some lady in the carriage that is situated at the flower field

[lofty hinge]

That's the one!

[lean magnet]

Damn it been a while since I play that quest. Also do we know what type of posion in the ghostlight market or it’s your typical posion

[lofty hinge]

I think it was special because they took it with the intention of becoming spirits that could patrol and defend the area, which makes it distinct from just whatever lethal poison.

[lean magnet]

Would it be the case they are so strong will that it just remain even their death? Like the poison is somewhat a normal posion

[lofty hinge]

I don't think so, because the way they talked about it was that they took this specifically to get this result.

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-redundant-emperors-new-groove-point-obvious-gif-4918618

Ah gifs don't work here...rip my joke.

Kuzco's poison reference.

[lean magnet]

Nah I saw it

Wait so til now that posion is just unknow in the story

[lofty hinge]

I don't remember if they gave it a name, only that the way they talked about it made it sound like a particular kind they took in order to become this way, which was a willing sacrifice.

[lean magnet]

Ah I see it. Damn I wish I can repeat this quest cuz the early on I was too dumb to understand the story and now rely on yt video for the lore

[lofty hinge]

I understand. I just started playing a couple weeks back and I don't remember everything as clearly as I want to because I just devoured the available story.

[celest flume]

I think fish vs fish means corruption within the court

[iron canyon]

the poison is simalar to dream puppets, basically turning them into soulless zombies

[iron canyon]

the fish quest is about Tang from their peak -> decline if you"re intersted, read this, pretty much summarized the fish fight
#📖lore-chat message

[lofty hinge]

They're ghosts and they're capable of speech/retain selfhood. Not the same. Edit: stating this because the distinctions are pretty important.

[lean magnet]

Wait I only know the wandering tales where you need to bring smth to one of the army but other than it I thought they lose their selfhood and only know their purpose was to defend the ghostlight market that why you need to wear the armor so to know you are not one of the kithan

[lofty hinge]

Do you remember they converse while you follow them as part of the quest?

The armor makes MC spectral too, temporarily, if I remember right.

Where they're devoted wholly to the duty they took on, the sleeping puppets don't have that capacity. They attack mindlessly.

That's the horror of the puppets, I feel. The self is lost.

They're different deaths— the body versus the self.

[lean magnet]

Ya I know they still can talk unlike the zombie but I was saying their only purpose is to defend the ghostlight market no matter whoever come here. Even though you are clearly a han person. You need to be careful around them

[iron canyon]

somtimes when their will is powerful enough, they can retain a certain degree of sanity while resisting the poison's side effects. There are quite a few variations of the poison, even though they show different symptoms and severity the base is still the same, in the end the poison mist still made them berserk & disregard their pain, but the strong will of the soldiers wanting to protect the commoners helped them remaining a part of their speech (there's no gurantee that they won't attack you, like you said, ym needs the spectral armor to prevent them from attacking us for no reason)

it's similar to QingYi using LiZuo to support her through the pain and her will to not harm anyone as she attempted suicide whenever she regained her sanity temporarily

[lean magnet]

Wasn’t there a father and son duo boss in Qinghe with that backstory and that weird horse guy

[iron canyon]

you mean the coffin master and horse tamer? yeah these two are experiment subjects from aureate, the father and son escaped so they're still sane, but the effects are evident wher the father couldn't speak while the son could only live in the coffin

[lean magnet]

Yup those guys

[grim sequoia]

The son is also mutated and deformed

[iron canyon]

The horse tamer was also a failed subject that got dumped (and almost died) but he was saved by the horse

[lofty hinge]

I'd say the distinction is important, though both are horrific fates in their own way. The ghosts are carrying out a duty ceaselessly whereas the sleeping puppets seem to have none beyond attacking anything that moves. They have no sense of friend or foe.

What I find curious is that there seem to be varied permutations of the sleeping puppets, unless the ones that are mummified (like those we see when learning soulshade umbrella) and the ones that are planted (the ones seen in the sidequest that starts with the "courtesan" in the carriage) are actually separate. It seemed to be different approaches to get similar results.

[lean magnet]

What if is a different form of the poison? Maybe in types or doses or method of taking it. Tbh I don’t think we have that many info of the posion itself

[mystic idol]

because the fish was the symbol of tang dynasty

[iron canyon]

Mhm, not to say that the soldiers are "dream puppets", but I should say that they're infected by a poison similar in base to the dream puppet yet retained a degree of sanity through their will. Until this point of time we do see 4 variations (? of the dream puppets so far up to hexi's update

[iron canyon]

You do have a bunch of different ingredients, like buddha flowers & DtD, that can be used to create dream puppet poisons, the degree of severity & symptoms may differ from the strength of it, but the poison also isn't something you can create & succeed that easily

[lean magnet]

Wasn’t there also a fungus from the mist forest or is it some blue plant

[lofty hinge]

There was a fungus too.

[iron canyon]

yeah there's both, the flower & mushroom combining with the poison mist

[lofty hinge]

DtD is derived from that fungus, I think? In Zheng E's quest we see the fungal variety if I remember right.

[lean magnet]

Wait I thought by making both of them, it create the posion mist or it give off it

[lofty hinge]

Sorrowfield village also had all those fungal growths everywhere and the villagers treated their present state as a terminal affliction.

[iron canyon]

iirc the flowers originally wasn't poisonous, but after SunBuQi tampered with it the flowers became poisonous and the fungus was derived by it

[iron canyon]

individually all 3 could create dream puppets, not too sure how did the mist form over there, but Sun BuQi seems to figure out a way to spice things up so the place just became deadlier with the combination of the mist & research from the flowers

[lean magnet]

Ah I almost forgot that nitwit. Wait is it confirm that guy is dead? I only know that we meet his nephew who is part of the SN and is searching for his notes or smth

[lofty hinge]

Weren't his experiments to create the puppets, and tied to dtd becoming a widespread localized mist in that forest? I had the impression the plants themselves existed and then his experiments weaponized them in combination.

I forget whether the journal has entries for these topics in particular.

[iron canyon]

SunBuQi got kicked out of SN (wounded by master moonstream, a little bird told me that he's still alive and jumping)

[lean magnet]

Of course that nitwit is still kicking and walking around

[iron canyon]

Now that you reminded me the flow is smth like this: SunBuQi did his experiments (underground) -> got kicked out of SN by Master Moonstream -> 954 when the flood happened it caused the ground to collapse where the flowers & his abandoned research resurfaced that infected the mist (yeah, it's chaos after chaos)

[iron canyon]

And thanks to him being irresponsible for his poison making with every possible fate encounters that made him gave up in medicine and turn to poison it contributed greatly to our great villian LiZuo in his obsessions, since he just left his "lab" there after leaving & thinking that area is not worth for him researching anymore

[grim sequoia]

Ofc, we know Aureate Pavilion is a major threat in the main story

[plush rune]

is this golden peach the MC?

[celest flume]

its the jade pendant

[plush rune]

ah ok2

we still dont know who the MC is right?

[vocal scaffold]

FART??? WHAT

[foggy tiger]

what the hell

its supposed to mean bullshet

[vocal scaffold]

ohhhh makes sense.

💨 caught me off guard lmao

[red bridge]

Ngl when I saw that I was laughing like bro has all this emperor stuff and then fart like man he was holding it in lmao

[vocal scaffold]

frrrrrr

[tardy swift]

I still havent gotten answer for the family who made grape wine, are they apart of lesson about finding myself?

I mean idek how girl is alive.

[grim sequoia]

[ember tiger]

she kinda doesn't? if you talk to someone in the wineking village they'll tell you that the girl went crazy and dissapear after her family is captured, so the quest where we beat the nobles with her are just like a what if situation kinda

its like a metaphor that you'll avenge your loved one ig bc when the girl fight it mirrors to us fighting qianye

[royal plover]

Why fang bai called lan ao qiniang

[iron canyon]

Devs love to mirror their stories with YM, if the girl didn't get revenge, we didn't either. The story is about us facing our greatest hatred, to Aynur it's the foreign forces, to us it's qianye

[tardy swift]

Makes sense^

[iron canyon]

it's like a pet name, just like how chu qingquan is calling aunt han sannniang

[royal plover]

Ham xanniang, and han sanniang are quite similar compare to lan ao and qiniang, and didnt qiniang is thr name of little girl in sunken lake quest

[plain star]

if you play Death of the Governor quest, in which ||the assassin is the girl's brother, the monk told him that the girl was committed suicide by jumping off||

[iron canyon]

pet names doesn't need to match, like Han Xiang Xun & sanniang definitely don't resemble each other, just like Lan Ao (兰澳) & qiniang (淇娘). Tho it actually has a reference, coming from a poem in Classic of Poetry, QiYu (诗经 淇奥), the poem is used to praise a highly virtous, refined & talented gentleman. Fang Bai loves to decipher poems, and his character certainly resembles the description in the poem, and fairly speaking, Lan Ao too.

[lean magnet]

Wait tell me when you get the info!? I planning to redo the whole quest to get as much lore info as possible. Lowkey wish they have a skip button if you went through the same scene

[plain star]

I don't remember exactly, but near the end of act 1, when ||the monk meet the assassin, he told about a girl with 2 eyes different color||

[iron canyon]

iirc ||the jumping off part was rumours from kingsvine village||

[lean magnet]

|| I only remember the monk talk about a girl with special eyes being a in temple where ppl are told to go to hide in ||

[iron canyon]

yeah it's that part, ||the blind monk specifically mentioned a girl with different eye colours but didn't say the name (perhaps the monk didn't know either), that gave the assassin hope thinking Aynur might be alive, so he was determined to get the kill for the antidote||

[lean magnet]

|| actually do you know if there a part that explain why her brother become an assassin and is posion?||

[iron canyon]

iirc it's in the anecdotes for the mansion (it's mostly about the assassin's past) ||after he was captured & enslaved, the people (those birds in aynur's quest that represent outsider forces) decided to start a "game" of killing until only one survives (which is aynur's brother), that's why he was given the poison by those people and ordered to assassinate huaishen||

[grim sequoia]

||Zhang Huaishen's rugged state before his death would I assume he was betrayed and then stripped of everything he had before being sentenced to execution||

[lean magnet]

Damn those ppl are cruel

[distant sage]

hdhdhd

[royal plover]

So her fsther is palm strike master, so who palm strike sage?

[celest flume]

Another person
||He's fang bai's teacher, assigned to deliver the golden peach to chang'an but got killed||

[royal plover]

Whos The last person we saw throw peach to mc when he get buried on the stone?

When lan ao father come home ||and we learn that lan ao disguise as fang bai to banquet and get killed, why we rush to the bridge instead go to banquet? ||

and why the scene suddenly switch to the person who destroy rock with his palm

[celest flume]

Hey mark spoilers please

[celest flume]

This detail is too vague I don't recall

[royal plover]

The last scene before we run into the moon and fight lion

[celest flume]

Wait let me open YouTube I actually don't remember cuz of dementia

[royal plover]

That guy get buried and he destroy the rock and get eat by sea wave and he throw the peach to mc

[north trench]

I just figured out i can just ask windtail to help me do quest

[wheat canopy]

why did bai chuyu help us? aren't we enemies?

||like.. isn't Qianye, Li Zuo, Bai Chuyu all from the same Aureate Pavilion that brunt down Heaven's Pier?||

[north trench]

I forgor who Bai chuyu

[celest flume]

Pls mark spoilers

[glossy cloak]

🫲

[wheat canopy]

||the veiled lady we meet in hexi story||

[mystic idol]

|| He was betrayed yes, by everyone around him despite doing everything for the good of others, there are theories that he was also succumbing to slow acting poison, hence the ragged state ||

[mystic idol]

|| palm strike sage is the detective during the monastery ||

[mystic idol]

palm strike master aka lan ao’s father

[celest flume]

No not him
Its just a normal constable

[mystic idol]

it is him

[celest flume]

Nuh

[mystic idol]

every person in that tomb is someone who’s part of the golden peach

each “scene” depicting/focusing around a carrier

from lan he -> zhang yichao/zhang huaishen -> palm strike sage -> fang bai

[celest flume]

The constable isn't palm strike sage
||Bc when he arrived to investigate palm strike sage had already left the hidden chamber and traveled to the misty forest where he later died there||

[mystic idol]

no

you didnt get the hint he dropped at the end of that scene

[royal plover]

I dont get it, why he under the rock, is this flashback of him.

Bc before this scene we saw him rush to banquet to ||meet lan ao bc lan ao disguise as fang bai||

[mystic idol]

his “guess” is not a guess

its him revealing what actually happened

he said the person hiding stayed

[celest flume]

Mark spoilers😭

[mystic idol]

then, he wanted to pay his respects under the rain and night

when you first show up, its what: night time and raining

you were talking to the person who was hidden the whole time

[celest flume]

Nuh uh its not convincing based on the timeline

[mystic idol]

the reason why he was trying to shoo you away in the beginning is because hes trying to get rid of you

so he can pay his respects and continue

[royal plover]

Like why the city sunk

[mystic idol]

its a flash back

[mystic idol]

Zhu wen blew up the whole city

he wasnt interested in the peach

he wanted to ensure no one else could get it

so as soon as he confirmed it was there, he blew up everything

[celest flume]

Palm strike master sunk it
||He grieved for the death of his daughter||

[mystic idol]

palm strike master was buried underneath the rubble

which is the cutscene we see

[royal plover]

So it's palm strike or zhu wen did the city sunk?

[mystic idol]

its a flash back.

[mystic idol]

Zhu Wen

Zhu Wen is the father of Zhu Youli (the guy in charge/in heavy armour)

he’s also the last tang prime minister iirc, but regardless he was the one who poisoned (or arranged for the poisoning) of li zuo

[celest flume]

GNG mark spoilers

[mystic idol]

this is just history

[royal plover]

So zhu wen blow up the city at sametime || lan ao die at banquet||

[celest flume]

Still included in game lore, need spoilers

[mystic idol]

he’s also the one who killed li zuo’s father, making li zuo a puppet emperor (again, in history)

[mystic idol]

yes

[royal plover]

Then why palm strike still have|| the peach, didnt fang bai have it||

[mystic idol]

same time that || both fang bai and lan ao died at the banquet ||

[mystic idol]

|| in the meeting in the warehouse, fang bai gave it to palm strike master ||

[royal plover]

What lan ao plan || disguise as fang bai on the meeting and let herself killed||?

[mystic idol]

her plan in general was that she didn’t want him to die

lan ao and fang bai || were lovers. But lan ao broke up with him when her condition got worse. ||

In the third loop || where we see the conversation between them, it was her trying to convince him not to follow through with his plans. But him, too stubborn and set on it, wouldn’t budge, so she instead figured she could just die instead (esp since she knew so many wanted him dead at the banquet) in his place and let him live. It wasn’t a plan she had been planning for years or anything like that, more like decision making on the fly ||

Sticking to the pattern of hexi quests, the tragedy is that || lan ao wanted to live, yet gave that up for him. Then he gave that up for vengeance for his sect seniors and master. ||

[royal plover]

Is this in history that zhu wen sinking the city to the sea?

[royal plover]

So this is third loop, but i forget which one the 2nd loop?

And whos is that quiet little girl and the thief monkey ?

[tough halo]

just an ordinary doctor I think

[mystic idol]

no, in history last record of tao lin sai (chinese name of that city) was a battle which occurred during the anlushan rebellion

[mystic idol]

|| the little girl was supposed to be the eventual leader of silver needle iirc? Or one of the generation’s leader. ||

[royal plover]

How do u know?

[mystic idol]

its scattered throughout

[royal plover]

She not even talking

[mystic idol]

in one of the village in qinchuan the people there talks about her

and the same traits/characteristics you learn about her, match the description on the silver needle lore where it talks about one of the masters

[royal plover]

About thief monkey?

[mystic idol]

idk about the monkey

just a jianghu person who took bribery from zhu wen i believe

[iron canyon]

basically representing those ppl on the jianghu who came for the peach, everyone wants it

[iron canyon]

||from the jade pendants you picked up, also there are wandering tales about her that she's sn's master moonstream. Moonstream (水月 shuiyue) has double meaning here as shuiyue is also the little girl's original name (and it might be a title given to SN's masters as well)||

[iron canyon]

||even though LiZuo is her master/adoptive father, LiZuo never let her participate in his aureate pavilion operations, she found us because she wanted to know about her past since LiZuo never told her anything||

[royal plover]

Are li zuo and qingyi still a kid when we enter qinchuan?

There no time jump between quest like in liangzhou right

[iron canyon]

If you remember on the way to sunken lake city, there's a huge carriage with a short quest, it's about the 2 of them

[sinful wasp]

Is it just me or is the Uncle Jiang storyline almost never advanced? I get that we're tracking Aunt Han, and Jiang is related to that... but he's never talked about and if it's not the title screen with Jiang carrying the baby in the rain I'd have forgotten he ever existed lol

[somber crag]

Where are you at in the story?

[sinful wasp]

Ch 3 halfway

[somber crag]

The rest of the Hexi Story will give you what you're looking for

[sinful wasp]

Thanks. I just started Lan Daozi's story after being kinda done at Liangzhou. Did I do things out of order?

[somber crag]

No Hexi is 3 different "zones" all within the one painting 🫡 the story will open up as you progress the painting scroll object in quest items

[short topaz]

Because last part it’s the last 7 years of Tan’s dynasty
My theory, that’s why seasons changing so fast

[jovial lodge]

Where can I find the biography of zhang Huaishen

[hollow mango]

in character biography?

[jovial lodge]

Yeah especially the first part

[quasi cedar]

.

[orchid canopy]

Guyz how can we tattoo our neck ??

Is it by customizing only or something else ??

[frail finch]

Sun tzu's The Art of War great read

[north trench]

Is Sun Chinese family name

[modern sonnet]

yes

idk if the hanzi is the same but theres a Chinese figure named sun ce

[sharp lily]

Different people

[modern sonnet]

guys im kinda lost here. i was doing the death of the governor quest and im confused with zhang huaishen's state at that time (spoiler ahead) || was he really dead, or was getting bedridden because of the poison? and why did the zhang mansion got blown up ??? and then suddenly i met this guy huaishen when i wanted to do the snow lion's event quest, what actually happened to him. far as i know yeah hes actually dead ||

this zhang family's conflicts is making my brain worked hard to understand each of them

[sharp lily]

He died. Tang lost the mandate of heaven already at that time so it's not like anyone cared enough to put down the details. The entire story is on YouTube/Wikipedia etc. Also deepseek has a lot of Chinese history.

[wide kayak]

yoo

[modern sonnet]

starting at lian daozi's quest hes like. haunts the narration. every story leads to him perhaps

[limber gorge]

did anluili survive? at the end of the story?

[modern sonnet]

didn't she get pulled by guanyin?

[limber gorge]

OOOOOOH that's what moon paper for

thank you

[modern sonnet]

of course:]]

[stable sparrow]

[fierce pumice]

how hard it is to get 2400 score in pvp for this hat?

[glossy cloak]

🥹

[vague shoal]

dont think she did

[quaint nebula]

Hey guys! I’m looking for a few people to be featured in an online project. I will pay for your time. If you’re interested, shoot me a message request and I can share more details, along with some of my previous work.

[plain star]

||Unfortunately not.
She didn't fly to the moon.
She fell into the water at the bottom of the abyss with the moon reflection in it.||

[steady wind]

pretty ez. you can hit 3k like drinking water.

[fierce pumice]

But the issue is take forever to meet an opponents

[celest flume]

Put spoilers please

[grim sequoia]

You know I don't care about spoiler mark because this is lore chat and I put them more often when there's CN content

[lofty hinge]

It's a courtesy I see commonly in official servers' lore chats for recently added content. Some servers impose a period during which things should be spoiler marked, for that matter. In this case, the request was polite, and it is pretty recent content (unless I'm mistaken)? A courtesy is different from a requirement of course, but I see where they're coming from.

[royal plover]

Why mc is lion?

[waxen nymph]

Hey, Peace here i'm from Pretoria but am based in the UK now. i’m currently studying, working, and also running an online store while trying to build the kind of life i’ve always wanted for myself and the people i care about

I’m into travelling, cooking, music, movies, fashion, gaming here and there, and i genuinely enjoy meeting people with depth and ambition

I admire people who are passionate, business-minded, goal driven, and want more out of life than just surviving. people who want financial freedom, want to retire their parents early, see the world, and build something meaningful for themselves

I'm very big on mindset and energy, so i naturally connect more with mature people who know what they want in life or are at least working towards it

If you’re someone who likes real conversations, good vibes, and meaningful connections, feel free to reach out.

[lofty hinge]

So do we not have moderators who can remove these spammers?

[lofty hinge]

The short answer is symbolism. People may have different interpretations, because it's not explicitly stated, but to me the meaning behind this imagery was clear.

You may have noticed that there has been a running theme with lions and loss, like where we saw the guardian lions and what MC experienced and saw in the sidequest involving them. MC was unable to protect people they cared about and carries the weight and anger of this loss, and we know they hold themselves responsible for that perceived failure to guard what they held dear. We see the anger with the Aynur quest, and the loss of a sense of home throughout. The lion is representative of the MC's emotions going into the dream and (spoilers for end Hexi) defeating the ||lion, aka the "old self"|| shows a transformative growth in reconciling with those emotions that were so turbulent at the onset.

As does the statements they make about their time in the dream, and their talk of the future. Did my best to be succinct, but that's how it read to me, and I really liked it as a way to address what Kaifeng didn't allow MC the breathing room to deal with.

[lean magnet]

You know that what I rlly like about the hexi arc. Ya some of stories could present in a better way but it’s not hard to relate underlying theme of missing home to the MC. It’s like a character study into them cuz I feel in most stories. It will be put as a backstory and that about it.

[lean magnet]

I hope the circus take care of her gf after that incident since we don’t see the gf with the group

[lofty hinge]

Yeah! I really dig that about it, it's very cool.

[celest flume]

#🌱beginner-questions

[iron canyon]

First lion is Ym's inner demon of breaking through their ptsd and obsessions, but it can also represent the common folks of Liangzhou: #📖lore-chat message
Second lion (in the moon), is where YM is finding themselves and where they stand. Ancient people often seek guidance from the moon (moon is a symbolization of true wisdom). YM saw through themselves from the reflection of the moonlight, then turn into moonlight itself (mirroring when we became one with the lion) to breakthrough attachments, where you are no longer confined by "yourself" or the past. YM became more refined, from the lost child struggling from the lost of their home to the moonlight that shines upon all sentient beings & protect them.

[plain star]

some people said that ||there is a book in the fallen map told that the gf reach Chang'an and open a bread shop (I can't find the book). However it may be just a made up story to give her a good ending and for players feel the story less depressed. I think she never made it to Chang'an.||

[lean magnet]

I hear a similar thing on rednote there tbh I not sure.

[celest flume]

Yeah ||Guanyin opened a bakery called An's flatbread||

[stuck coral]

||u can find it at the pavilion where the 2 had there meet-ups. After completing paper moon, of course||

[limber gorge]

Dang, I was rooting for them to live happily ever after. But goddang, now I’m sad and depressed

[plain star]

I know but I just can't find the book at that location.
or maybe I accidentaly picked it up before.

[north trench]

Do guangyi gain her sight back

||heard that actually her family that plan an attack and blind her so she couldn't escape||

Guys should i play lore following region release or i should just go straight up to Qinchuan

I didn't open liangzhou fallen yet. But i already did some Qinchuan side quests

[distant sage]

cccccc

[north trench]

I now got interested to wandering tales at Qinchuan. The final item is on main quest sunken(i ask windtail)

I guess i just gonna play Qinchuan main quest to get that wandering tales

[lofty hinge]

I did this, not realizing I'd missed Death of the General. It didn't hurt my experience.

Backtracking for it when it affected Qinchuan quest availability was fine.

[iron canyon]

It was an accident. Guanyin planned to leave with liuli that day, so she told her family that she's attending a banquet at the Zhang mansion but assassins were coming for Huaishen so she got hurt since the people didn't want to risk their intentions getting exposed (go back to cao manor and eavesdrop for this info)

[north trench]

Where cao manor

[north trench]

Okeh thanks

I wanna see the wandering tales ending

[iron canyon]

there's a boundary stone for it, it's around skybrim market

[north trench]

Okeh

[lean magnet]

|| I have hear there was an event in the CN several where you get to see the reincarnation of both them as children and being happy||

[junior meteor]

yes

[junior meteor]

almost

branch

[tropic acorn]

hi

[lean magnet]

Bye

[flint yacht]

which quest is this? is it a main story?

[plain star]

a lost chapter in Kaifeng, it's an advertisement to sell cosmetics lmao.

[flint yacht]

ohh so not important ig

[plain star]

just a bit of walking simulator but it's a rarely quest that ||has acutally happy ending||

[flint yacht]

okay

[icy thistle]

Regarding The Losing Move wandering tale in Qinchuan

||Do we know who Lu Xi and Qiu Qilou are exactly? And what dangerous thing are they set to do?
I didn't seem to find any other info on them, but the game was intent on saying our decision can change fates or smth like that and yet not much info was given for the choice or what came after ||

[grim sequoia]

I absolutely hate it when people call it walksim or yapping fest, you want action not listen to people talk all the time. Go do something else smfh

[silent pier]

For some reason I expected more than a turtle accessory and a few thousand coins after defeating the GOD OF AVARICE even though the entire main campaign of Kaifeng was a yapping fest. Silly me

Start off in Revelry hall and end up in some old poor depressed turtle ladies hut with nothing

[dawn stag]

I really love how the game intersects with real life with Hexi's scroll. To be specific, the incorporation of the real museum objects with the story

[quaint heart]

Tbh, the game is basically an interactive museum

[dawn stag]

Yeah, I am aware that it is fiction, but it's a fiction based on real Chinese historical period. So yeah, I feel like learning about it and having fun at the same time

[little forge]

hello there

[dawn stag]

Hiya

[quaint heart]

With my visits to the museums in China, I'm surprised how many of the objects in the game are actually based on discovered artifacts.

[dawn stag]

I know it was a time of dinasty turmoils, but please share more details if you want

I am genuinely curious

[torn tiger]

a

[blissful knoll]

b?

[heady wraith]

c??

[karmic hatch]

d???

[somber wing]

e????

[uneven sun]

a spoiler question, but is the imperial palace more like Hexi or Qinghe/Kaifeng in terms of flashbacks/story progression?

[mellow horizon]

||Content-Wise -> Yes (kinda like Hexi)
Story-Wise -> No, not similar to Hexi-Story ||

[quaint heart]

oh, cannot paste links as well... welp..

[dawn stag]

remove the https:// section

[hidden kelp]

Palace is similar to Hexi as a separate exploration area. But Hexi was part of the Main Story whereas Palace is Lost Chapter. The quests there flesh out the world lore but don't (arguably?) directly contribute to the main plot.

Imo Palace flows better after Bujian Mountain because of the development that takes place in that arc but the devs made the decisions they made.

[royal jewel]

I mean considering they did the same for CN that qinchuan wasn’t released but bujian mountains was released first, I’m not particularly surprised….if anything I suspected it to be the case that imperial palace would come first

[plain star]

Anyone play in CN can put in spoiler about how much related the story of Unseen Mtn and Place is? If it's like Kaifeng and Qinghe then it can't be changed order. But if it's just some certain characters appear in both then it's completely fine.
I heard the opposite that the devs actually want story of Palace to set before Unseen Mtn, but they can't change in CN because Unseen Mtn was already released before, so they correct it in Global by putting Palace first.

[glossy cloak]

[royal jewel]

A possibility

[compact acorn]

Anyone else confused why they're skipping Nameless mountain?

[ashen light]

It’s coming after Kaifeng palace

I think

[humble ledge]

@limber shuttle

[mint pivot]

Releasing the Kaifeng Palace map first makes more narrative sense, similar to how they moved up the Nine Mortal Way base unlock on the global server much earlier than cn server, just reordering things so the story flows better

[quasi sluice]

So story-wise it makes more sense to have imperial palace first?

[silk drum]

Idk but 4 months ago a CN YouTuber said Kaifeng palace would make sense before Hexi on global. So I’ll trust his judgement

[mystic idol]

Kaifeng palace doesnt make too much of a weight

[vestal cave]

Wait I have a question, are we getting an Imperial Palace update before the Mohist Hill?

[mystic idol]

it mostly goes into chars in Kaifeng, with emphasis on the brothers (and even then, mostly big Zhao)

but that being said

im not sure if itll make it weird when we do story in bujian mountain/mohist hill

because of certain character dynamics

I’ll have to take a look at cn playthroughs and go over the script lines again

[vestal cave]

Oh wow, so they really ARE skipping some of the updates

[grim sequoia]

||I just learned Zhang Huaishen was 59 years old when he died. Damn, the game keeps making these dead old/middle aged men hot.||

[winter heart]

Well they will bring Mohist Hill/Bujian Mountains in one full go on this summer like they did with Hexi maps.

[final hound]

https://tenor.com/view/pera-algorand-algo-hopium-copium-gif-16765445473855345349

[wraith sigil]

remind me how does it change story or flow if we go palace first rather than BJ Mt

or it doesn't change anything

[orchid canopy]

May be

[royal jewel]

I mean not really, it’s pretty obvious that they’re bringing it just after

[maiden wing]

It's pretty direct if the Fists are also coming out in the summer which already point to Nameless Mountain as that's where you get them alongside Mohist Hill.

[nimble pilot]

where is Qinchuan in real life

[nimble pilot]

so its just all of china basically?

[iron canyon]

Dialogue and script wise, I am not too sure because imperial palace is more of a short filler story, but there are some details that makes the palace in an awkward position. ||You can actually switch between Summer & Winter in the palace, and the overall quests are divided into 2 parts. First part during Summer-Autumn (details in dialogues about the time), second part during winter, in between it's the bujian mountain's. So you can see it as for some reason, at the end of bujian mountains, after uncle chen said he wanted to "kidnap" YM to Jiangnan, YM for some reason went back to the palace and conducted a Nuo Dance (a traditional Chinese folk performing art that acts like a ritual to ward off evil spirits & pray for blessings) at year end (here refers to the lunar calendar) ||

[wraith sigil]

sorry. marked it for you

[nimble pilot]

oh okay lmfao had me confused when you just sent a map of china

[wraith sigil]

also Chang an is that red square very close to Qinchuan

[atomic halo]

They are adding gauntlet on june or july?

[edgy sky]

Yes

[atomic halo]

July i think

[limber bough]

btw wanna ask in qingzhou CN is there a prison there? thought of asking cos kaifeng and qinghe has it
just wondering what happen if u commit a crime there

[celest flume]

#1478069586526998578

[royal plover]

Just finish qinchuan story, so this veiled lady bad guy or good guy || turn out she with aurete||

All this hexi thing bc she seek of golden peach?

And she is ||adoptive daughter of li zuo, li zuo take her from zongdu bridge at same time jiang take mc?||

@iron canyon

Then i dont understand with all her illusion she do to us about aunt han and uncle jiang, what point all of this.

And why her boss name change from vailed lady to vailed woman?

[hollow mango]

|| We met uncle chen at the end of mohist chapter and he remind us of going to jiangnan. So thats where story arc should follow up ||

[ancient viper]

Gauntlets dropping in June MONKS UNITE

[hollow mango]

July*

They put it on summer release because they dont know whether it’ll ready for july at all

[grim sequoia]

||CN is going to Jiangnan after June||

[iron canyon]

Remember at the start, she requested us to repair the painting in exchange for qianye's info. Veiled Lady (BaiChuYu) already attempted to enter the painter's dreams but failed, mainly because she wanted to know about her past, the only thing she has is the jade. That's why she came to find YM, the other jade owner as a gamble, which YM succeeded. After the whole Hexi dream, YM themselves also doesn't know what exactly their past is (like why they got the jade, why and how are they the harmonizers), but the veiled lady thought we were hiding something from her. She appeared herself as Aunt Han in the dreams she woven (one of the ability of harmonizers, to "create" dreams), in hope of attacking YM's mental barriers, but YM who went through Hexi & the confidence in the love of Aunt Han & Uncle Jiang let YM saw through her dark past instead.

[iron canyon]

So in the end, not only the veiled lady didn't get what she wanted, her past got exposed completely under YM. ChuYu grew up lonely, her name isn't even herself's, but LiZuo's hope and wishes towards his dead lover QingYi. LiZuo kept a distance with ChuYu, not wanting to interfere with her too much other than providing her the neccessities (a place to live and food). One reason is that ChuYu is said to grow more and more alike QingYi, and another could be that ChuYu's presence reminds him of his innocence, when his QingYi was still around, and have ambitious dreams. Which is also why LiZuo never let her participate in aureate's operations. Considering YM technically completed her request (or rather the painter's), which is to repair the painting, she kept her promise and told us Qianye is at bujian mountain.

[royal plover]

She had her own jade pendant?

Golden peach is jade pendant right, mc jade pendant?

[grim sequoia]

I have a very braindead theory that JY is told to shut up about our origins

[hollow mango]

They better make it big region not another smol filtered map

[grim sequoia]

Big region split into parts I bet

[hollow mango]

They can take yheir tiem

Not rushing

[iron canyon]

yes, the gold peach broke into 2

one on veiled lady, one on YM (but YM's got taken by Jiang)

[grim sequoia]

They're gonna involve several important NPCs over there and it's gonna be fun to know what's going on

[royal plover]

Where this information come from?

And the last person who had pendant is huijing he bring it to changan? But huijing say he dont know after that?

[iron canyon]

he doesn't know, because chang'an was falling & he's already old by then. The only thing we know is that he gave the jaed to another "Fang Bai", ||then the dark surge cutscenes changed into Wang Qing & LiZuo making at bet with the jade.|| It's evident from the name of the jade. Golden Peach, old name (金桃) to ZhenGuan Jade (镇冠珏), the cn character 珏(Jue), means two pieces of jade

[royal plover]

Whos another fang bai?

So order are

1. fang bai give peach to lan ao father

2. Lan ao father throw the peach to huijing when lan ao father get eaten by wave

3. Huijing have it,

[iron canyon]

It's not confirmed yet, so it's unclear whether the other "Fang Bai" is directly Wang Qing himself, or someone else in between ||I've seen theories that it could be someone from Inkbound before Wang Qing has it, but it's only speculation for now||

[royal plover]

So the last one is wang qing, but the jade always in 2 piece from the start not broke by 2 piece?

I thought it broke bc the fight between jiang and li zuo, that why jiang had it

[hollow mango]

Pretty sure it broke during the aftermath of zhongdu bridge

The scene when wang qing dropped the box remember?

And you eventually collected the box scattered into pieces in the ocean

Right in the beginning of hexi arc

[iron canyon]

It was in one piece, it probably broke after Suo Jing handed out/lost it or in the zhongdu bridge war (we never know if it's still 1 piece/already broken in the box). From the dark surge fragments, Suo Jing was seen trying to pass the Dasan pass after he got the jade, and for period of time, the golden peach's location was unknown until the news of it entering qinchuan spread.

Also, from the song you hear otw to Liangzhou (at the desert), the song is actually talking about the flow of the Golden peach & the story of the zhang family, one of the lyrics is: 万里风摧竿头断，桃裂三瓣不过冈 (Fierce gales at ten thousand miles break the tallest bamboo, the peach split into three, unable to cross the ridge). The peach here might have double meaning, one referring to the inner conflicts of the zhang family & also mirror the gold peach too (thus the theories that the jade might actually be 3 instead of 2)

[royal plover]

When i dont remember?

And why veiled lady name change to veiled woman? @iron canyon

And what are this mockery references?

[iron canyon]

Lady & Woman can both be used, ChuYu is 19, the meaning is the same, it's probably a wording issue here

[royal plover]

Why mc suddenly talk about parent with vailed lady.

Does veiled lady envy that mc have love from jiang and aunt han?

[hollow mango]

the introduce quest, like before meeting veiled lady you get a task to collect something at the ocean near the meow meow challenge where you climb up the wooden pole

[iron canyon]

Like I said in my earlier messages, ChuYu grew up without love, so she thought by picturing her trauma on YM it could break YM's defenses, but YM is really confident in Aunt Han & uncle jiang's love

[plain star]

I think yes.
both us and her was adopted from Dongzu Bridge
while we grown up in love of people aournd us, she was just a failed experiment of Li Zuo.

[royal plover]

Its river lol

[royal plover]

I still can finish keifeng dark surge, bc i cant trigger ice gambit encounter quest

[lean magnet]

Wait you can’t finish the dark surge if you trigger it?! Goddamit wwm

[royal plover]

Who is the ghost girl at nortern mountain platue?

[sinful wasp]

How did Guanyin become blind?

[frail star]

An assassin came to assassinate Zhang Huaishen at the banquet, but accidentally injured Guanyin, causing her to go blind.

[sinful wasp]

Oh wow completely missed that. Thanks

[deft quail]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-lilo-and-ohana-hi-gif-14478226570290702433

[celest flume]

Put spoilers

[olive tangle]

d

[trail verge]

Asanagi Umi is my wife

[mighty tapir]

What if i kill goose in the game

[north trench]

Guys this niche. I just missed a full story. I found note here but before i could finish read it i missed click now I can't find that not back in compendium. The story about shoemaker craftsman seel shoe for 100 and women buy it he don't expect many people to understand craftsmanship and the price of craft. They talking about shoe making and traveling.. but i missed the ending. If anyone interesting please help me find full story

[north trench]

@celest flume could you help me when you wake up

More zoom out the not beside sandy meow

[nocturne parcel]

heheyay

[jade aurora]

We getting imperial palace before the mountain region?

[mellow horizon]

Yes

[jade aurora]

Any specific date ?

[lofty hinge]

This is lore chat for discussing game story, you're asking in the wrong channel. Look at #game-announcement and use an appropriate channel if you need further clarification about non-lore questions

[vivid rose]

Why do you keep changing the time on my guid war ? If it's 9:30 PM, you keep changing it to 10:30 PM....

staff on ???

[lofty hinge]

This is lore chat, for players to discuss game story. You want #🦢ask-devs-anything

[hidden grove]

i dunno if this is the right place, but does anyone know the max count of special records (compedium) we have right now?

[tropic acorn]

[wide trench]

Found Granny Turtle in Apricot Village crying about her grandson 🤔

[slate lava]

yoyoyoyo

[quaint nebula]

Hey guys! I’m looking for a few people to be featured in an online project. I will pay for your time. If you’re interested, shoot me a message request and I can share more details, along with some of my previous work.

[grim sequoia]

*son

She lost her entire family to mobs and soldiers 😭

[honest rain]

Probably just reuse of "sad granny" model, iirc she got different surnames

[flint yacht]

the lion takes us to quichuan?

[celest flume]

Sure I'll try

[sharp lily]

Yea that whole story about her sons that went off to war and never came back

[wraith sigil]

some are real some are fiction some are achronastic

The 2 most famous and well sold outfits in CN won't be a thing until 400 years after WWM setting

Most of it are concurrent late Tang early Song styles tho

but there are some stuff that you see you're just like that's Ming AF

[wicked violet]

test

[wraith sigil]

test

[raw lynx]

Hello, I like to ask if someone can summurize Clip Clop's story because I wanted to draw a Clip Clop as an Umamusume

[celest flume]

I dont think it has a proper story
all i know is that Yi dao gave it to ruby

[raw lynx]

What about the gender?

[celest flume]

how do i know 😭

[raw lynx]

Did they refer Clip Clop as a stallion or a mare

[raw lynx]

i dont know, dialogue? 😭

I was guessing that they probably mentioned Clip Clop's gender by refering them as "she" or "he"

but thanks for your help though

[royal plover]

Who is prince of jin and prince of liang?

[celest flume]

Prince of jin iirc he's the guy in jiming pool campaign and in the imperial garden
Not sure tho
Prince of Liang is Zhu youli (?)

[royal plover]

I mean their name keep mantioning across qinchuan npc

[celest flume]

Prince of jin too?

[royal plover]

Yeah

[celest flume]

Man I wish my dementia isn't this bad

Didn't notice, maybe another person different from the one in kaifeng

[royal plover]

Who he and him here?

[lofty hinge]

I don't think we had enough time with Clip Clop to know, story-wise. Ruby being a child wouldn't know, and no one was going to correct her. Official website doesn't specify.

Cutscene says "it".
m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9mEeeZVffw

Can't embed video but that one at about 5:30. Yi Dao says it, Ruby says it. Unsure if Chinese specifies.

[iron canyon]

iirc it's not prince but Emperor. Emperor of Liang = Zhu Wen, Emperor of Jin (Late Tang) = Li KeYong, these two are rivals

[iron canyon]

The he is referring to the little boy, him referring to YM

[royal plover]

Little boy who?

So mc male canon?

[iron canyon]

the little shepherd = the little boy, mentioned at the beginning of the sentence, mc's pronouns is just another inconsistent translation here

In cn, you can omit the pronouns as long as you mentioned the subject, so without context, the translation in pronouns and wordings will be off, and this is not the first time

[royal plover]

But why shepard doing in this mc origin story?

[iron canyon]

The little boy just happened to stumble upon the veiled lady interacting with the painter. Since he picked up the package, he gave it to the person sleeping at the well which is YM who is still in the dream (Hexi) and recognized us as the young master

[raw lynx]

Thank you so much

time to make up some personailty traits for Clip Clop umamusue

[royal plover]

Whos the first person create golden peach?

[lofty hinge]

I don't think how it came to be was stated in the game. There's mythology about peaches, tied to immortality, but I haven't seen specific references to a golden peach outside of WWM.

[iron canyon]

It's mostly myths and rumours, that started from Emperor XuanZong of Tang LiLongJi (also Masked Troupe's creator, both irl history and in game). It was said that he was offered a treasure (a rare fruit), and was recorded as the "Golden Peach". Technically speaking it was Lady Gongsun (second leader of Masked Troupe), who took a real "gold peach", which is the jade, and passed it down to Guo Xin

[royal plover]

Lilongji get offered, but nit the one make it

[umbral pilot]

hi

[iron canyon]

In my second sentence, I already explained that it was Lady Gongsun who "created" it Even the offering part was actually considered as a rumour/myth

[north trench]

Ming dynasty got me acting unwise

[north trench]

Have you find it

[celest flume]

Nope not yet

[north trench]

Okeh

[quartz wolf]

Any chance that we get Ruby an Yi Dao back in some future quest?

[foggy tiger]

They're dead

[distant sage]

hehe

[feral garden]

In the Tomb Raider maybe lmao

[deft quail]

https://tenor.com/view/tomb-raider-lara-croft-tumblings-evading-gif-5052854

[wide trench]

That's what she says as an NPC

[grim sequoia]

Yes I know that

[wide trench]

Maybe but it would somewhat make sense since in the ending cutscene we saw that she left the foresaken quarter. I wonder if we'll see her again and when should we meet Yingying. As I understand we're supposed to get back to Kaifeng after they concluded Qinchuan on the global server.

[flint yacht]

what happened to all the protagonists of the 3 quests, what was their conclusion?

burlap sack quest: oldman (dead), xiaolin ??
liangzu melod: Lian Daozi ?
paper moon: Guanyin and An Liuli ??

[fleet herald]

Who tf is xiaolin

[flint yacht]

that guy who gave burlap sack some water, they both were returning to chang'an

[umbral pilot]

hii

[flint yacht]

hello

[hollow tendon]

Happy Sunday

[mystic idol]

|| Xiao Lian moved to chang’an, and eventually returned to jade gate pass before staying in liangzhou until his death. He is the grandfather of Lian Daozi

Lian Daozi died in Liangzhou Melody, he walked towards a ruined Liangzhou but found home because that’s what resonated with him. There’s theories that he might have already been dead prior to the quest and that it was his spirit we played through (Liangzhou Melody being his soul finding peace and moving on), but those are unconfirmed.

An Liuli died. It’s unconfirmed if Guanyin survived but some in game texts hint that she survived and made it to chang’an||

[flint yacht]

okay. thank you

[pallid prairie]

who will dare to explain the complete lore all from start each event one by one

[icy thistle]

Still can't get over the fact that Emperor Ai/Li Zuo is supposed to be around 70 years old when we start the game... aside from the hair he looks young af xD
Wondering if his youthfulness has something to do with the Longevity Parasite...?

[north trench]

Long long time ago....

[north trench]

Yuh uh

[flint yacht]

what's this letter about? from qinchuan quest

and who is xu jian?

[ember tiger]

||its for a guy who carried the golden peach, he faked his death so his sect won't get in trouble.||

[flint yacht]

||fang bai? but who is big brother he writing to ? and who is xu jian||

[ember tiger]

where is the name xu jian mentioned again?

[ember tiger]

||this is the letter fang bai recieved he is the big brother||

[flint yacht]

ohh from?

[ember tiger]

not mentioned probably some senior from masked troupe

[odd tusk]

Hii

[flint yacht]

okay

[flint yacht]

helo

[ember tiger]

||not fang bai its someone else who carried it before him, xu jian is a fake name he chose after faking death||

watch wwm girl real story of hexi for more details i forgot

[flint yacht]

i see

[flint yacht]

which one?

[ember tiger]

the second one

[flint yacht]

ohh

[meager pilot]

okay
a question

Who's Veiled Lady?

Is it Qingyi?

[flint yacht]

yes same question

[meager pilot]

cuz she's one of the 3 characters who's not completed in "World" tab

for Qinghe

[ember tiger]

||shes a girl our gray hair arch enemy adopted||

its also in the second video

not qingyi

[meager pilot]

damn

[ember tiger]

oh its actually in the third video lol

[meager pilot]

then where can i find info abt Qingyi to complete my char section

[flint yacht]

which quest do you learn about vieled lady?

[flint yacht]

this doesnt tell about qinchuan story tho?

[ember tiger]

when you complete hexi dark surge you'll get a cutscence with her in it

[meager pilot]

campaign azure glow and dark surges

or am i wrong abt campaign?

[flint yacht]

is that not main quest?

[ember tiger]

more cutscence

but you also learn about her from the cutscence end of hexi quest ig it was kinda confusing for me

[flint yacht]

?

[ember tiger]

the video is about all of hexi. for qinchuan watch her sunken city lake video

and the qinchuan makes no sense until you know this video ig

[flint yacht]

ohh i see

[flint yacht]

is this not all the side quests?

because i dont remember them from main quests

[flint yacht]

friends who?

[ocean skiff]

U can find plenty of them down there ||especially in blissful retreat||

[flint yacht]

🤔

[royal plover]

Lan he

[dusky pike]

mc solos

[flint yacht]

ok\

btw who was attacking tang and destroying chang'an ? we never learn taht?

[flint ivy]

That’s“The Art of Shoemaking” in Jianghu Chronicles

[north trench]

Where is jiangju chronicles

[flint ivy]

All the way at the bottom of special records in compendium

The last subsection

[north trench]

Aaaa

[nocturne umbra]

Since the goose overlord came back we’ve been getting good shi

[flint ivy]

Sorry, Poetry and Tales > Special Records > Jianghu Chronicles at the bottom

[north trench]

I find it!!!. Thank you very much John Compendium Enthusiast

[manic comet]

how can i remove background blur when there is cutsene man

[flint ivy]

Np😊

[north trench]

Done read it. If you know. Is it short ended lore that just like many othe latter that scatter across jianghu or it may have deepep lore?

[north trench]

I don't think you can modify cutscenes much

[flint yacht]

who was Lan shouchi?

[flint ivy]

I think it’s a stand-alone story but I can’t say for sure

[north trench]

Okeh so about the story itself. Why the women at the end seem like less enthusiastic and I don't understand why she mentioned father journey for children and say "such hardship couldn't be measured by careful work alone"

If you understand it better please tell me

[flint ivy]

Sorry I’m not that knowledgeable about the lore maybe someone else can help you interpret better

[orchid canopy]

It's ok man ...

[north trench]

Well i ask AI. This short version of the answer.

So the women buy shoe from master craftsman not because she need she need shoe she make shoe her self. She buy the shoe out of understanding or value of craftsmanship or how hard it is.

The reason why Lan Ao seem less enthusiastic. Because she see that human suffering of father walk long to find medicine for child. She basically say however good the Craftsmanship is it will not fix the hardship of the wearer. While the craftsman seller keep explaining the details of shoemaking. So she thinks this men must be technical perfectionist he view shoemaking as purely artform while forgot the wearer

Then at the end the craftsman look at father across the street giving her daughter water. He say "at the end.. what matters the most of shoemaking is the hearts".

This show the he not actually technically perfectionist who only care of craft it selft. he actually care of people who wearing shoe.

Then the women just quickly buy the shoe

[flint yacht]

who did the painter give the golde peach to ?

[north trench]

Zamn where winds meet required high media literacy to understand.

||Like example how they portray an liuliu death. She seem like reaching the moon and surviving but she actually fall in reflection of the moon showing how impossible it is breaking rules and survive happily||

[flint yacht]

:(

[north trench]

Sorry i don't know. I not finish it yet. I don't even see gold peaches yet

[flint yacht]

okay

[twin steppe]

I don't think we're explicitly told. All we know is that he took it to Chang'an but the city was sacked when he got there. It changes hands until its used as part of a bet between Emperor Ai and General Wang Qing over Zhongdu Bridge. There it ends up accidentally in the hands of the baby MC.

[flint yacht]

oh okay

[grim sequoia]

I say it wasn't just given to our melon for no reason

Remember the devs only said Young Master is an orphan found in Zhongdu Bridge, they never specify why they're here and why they're given the jade

[twin steppe]

Yeah there is definitely some 'destiny delivers' type stuff happening with us getting the pendant. I suppose we'll see why eventually

[flint sand]

Yeah, that must be a good reason behind

[trail lava]

help what i do with this to 100% dark surge in hexi

[twin steppe]

Go stand close to the broken ship as you enter Hexi

There will be an interact button

[little oak]

Go to the begening area of hexi, where you mend the bridge. there should be a new option.

[little oak]

Mb, what she said.

[twin steppe]

You do use it as a bridge! It's the same place

[trail lava]

oh its cuz someones signpost is in the way i didnt see it

man i swear its like people do it on purpose

[twin steppe]

honestly my favourite dark surge

I got emotional at the ending lol

tbh all of Qinchuan was beautiful

I'll probably replay the Veiled Lady quests

[iron canyon]

Lan Ao actually bought the shoes, not only because of the craftmanship, but also she planned to make 2 pairs, one for her father (Lan Shou Chi) & Fang Bai. It's a habit and gesture of affection from her father, Lan Ao's shoes were handmade by her father all this time. The craftsman/shoemaker, is exactly the same craftsman that Lan Shou Chi approached when Lan Ao was young to learn shoemaking, so that he could do so for his daughter. There's a part that the craftsman said that the key to shoemaking is from the deep heartfelt care, that reminds Lan Ao of her father, who was once a famed martial artists that had to kneel down to others and do all sorts of things in hope of searching for a cure for her disease, she could relate to this bitterness more than anyone, that's her father's way of showing affection to her.

[primal wadi]

I miss uncle Jiang

[plain star]

that's why I always turn off signpost.
I only turn it on when I need guidance for some puzzles
then turn it off again.

[grim sequoia]

I turn it off when I do quests and turn it on afterwards

Sometimes I have to do a blind run for books because non-CN guides don't tell you where they are

[radiant needle]

damn, now i miss him too!!

[north trench]

Wait Fang Bai the painter friend!!!. Zamn the lore deepens

[deft quail]

https://tenor.com/view/ruby-wwm-where-winds-meet-gif-2081076220723113086

[north trench]

@iron canyon just spoiler me. How you get all these lore is it from main quest to friends quest?. Also why Lan Ao also want to give one of pair to Fang Bai what the relationship her with fang bai

[iron canyon]

I would recommend you to complete the whole qinchuan quest, especially sunken city quest, it explains fang bai and lan ao's relationship, also her with her father

[north trench]

Okeh thanks

[royal plover]

Do recognize when we become kite before fight lion boss, there many name we meet along the way to strengthen our kite, but no ruby name.

Why?

[lofty hinge]

There is no explicitly given answer in the game, but the names weren't exhaustive of everyone MC knew.

It may be implicit that those MC knew are all a source of strength, the game simply didn't list every single one during the sequence.

[foggy tiger]

Are they npc name?

I only saw my guildmates names

The lion fight is so cinema though I need that in breaking army

[royal plover]

There yi dao jiang wulan, aunt han and other

[foggy tiger]

Oh I didn't see those

Pretty sure all I saw were my guildmates

Probably random

[royal plover]

After fang bai give peach to lan ao father, why we going to the bridge instead going to the meeting?

[hollow mango]

we already at meeting thought?

2nd loop

[royal plover]

But why we doing on the bridge?

[lofty hinge]

Didn't the father give the peach to Feng Bai...

[hollow mango]

guess its to find out why the whole land sinked

also the painter retrieved golden peach there

[royal plover]

Its opposite

[lofty hinge]

You're taking the bridge from where you were to get back to where the meeting is...

[hollow mango]

it could be that we unconsciously act just as the painter does since its his dream

[lofty hinge]

I recall the father had it first, and it goes to someone else after Feng Bai

[hollow mango]

where he claim the golden peach then run all the way to chang an while the land sinked

[lofty hinge]

Someone else being ||the painter||

So I think you got it mixed up

[royal plover]

Fang bai give it to the father on the hut before we going ti the bridge, the father throw it to huijing after the city collapse

[hollow mango]

just to find out the entire chang an become ruined

[hollow mango]

fang bai gave golden peach to lan shoichi while both of them ran to the meeting

[lofty hinge]

Okay, thanks

[hollow mango]

they both fell there, while fangbai died lan shoichi faked his while peed himself while hid golden peach in his body to prevent any1 from searching him

they dispose his body just before the explosion incident

his body fell into the debris, underground or whatever which led to the cutscene where someone awoke from the dark tunnel

he blew up the tunnel just to get sucked by the flood, desperately threw the golden peach to the surface and huajing received it

[lofty hinge]

I thought that bit was a flashback, thank you

Groundhog Day looping sure was an experience

[hollow mango]

the loop is explained as the painter unaccepted the death of his friend

therefore he kept dreamt of the same event over and over

sort of grieving

[lofty hinge]

Oh I didn't question that part, since he did say he had these dreams over and over I think. I'd just thought the part where the father punched free of the debris was something from his past due to visual presentation, so I appreciate that you clarified that part.

[outer orbit]

Bruh I hope this tho

[fair sphinx]

Hello guys, can someone help me win 1 chess game? i have no idea how to play it

[celest flume]

#🌱beginner-questions

[willow cairn]

i hope this

[royal plover]

What is ghost little girl at north mountain platue?

[distant sage]

hehe

[humble ledge]

@limber shuttle Let me tell you what I think

So this is the other girl, who is not his adopted daughter.

[limber shuttle]

I haven't made it here yet I need to cross dasan pass but I'll remember this when I make it there

I am invested in the lore

[lean magnet]

Oh my god you could see them there!?

[iron canyon]

the exploration quest is about them ||and his father that got assassinated & thrown at qinchuan to appear as if his father was murdered by bandits||

[tardy swift]

||Were we supposed to kill lion at end of Hexi? I didn't, i got it to like half health then got a interesting cutscene||

[humble ledge]

I think so , but I'm still not sure.

[sacred dragon]

||I don't get why assassin was there if guy was dead for few days||

[limber shuttle]

All this lore is making my eyes teary

[humble ledge]

I think she's become a gazelle.

😔

[limber shuttle]

Really that's so sad

[unreal rock]

which channel in yt has an in depth lore explanation to death of governor?

[unreal rock]

are they the same people?

[tiny frost]

if next region is imperial palace, does this mean we'll meet ||Chen Zixi|| first before Mohist region?

[hollow mango]

just wait and see

[humble ledge]

He is his grandson

[stuck coral]

GooseGirl/WWM girl has a vid that gives context for that

[brisk hollow]

watching GooseGirl's vids really made me contemplate my jianghu life

[unreal rock]

ty

[flint yacht]

where did the golden peach go from the painter?

[exotic crown]

When hengdao effect skin Will release?

[stoic juniper]

Hello, i want to use wwm mission for my wuxia ttrpg storyline, can anyone give me some recommendations? I like mundane and bittersweet story like zheng ran, but theres ton of good story mission i forgor

[lusty plinth]

can anyone help me check on my gears? i not sure which to keep and which to retune

[south ibex]

21th

[hexed siren]

is the lore worth following?

[bleak meadow]

hi guys

can anyone help me with the game and stuff like there are too many things in my inventory and idk what to keep and what to throw how to manage and all that

[crimson reef]

You guys have a channel for wwm ban list?

[bleak meadow]

no help?

[cedar prawn]

Just keep the things that u need to upgrade your gear and rest.m recycle them

[bleak meadow]

but idk there are too many and things are good but i dont have constitution or whatever that is

i tried doing wrestling but nothing changed i feel very confused

[storm saffron]

You are better off asking in #🌱beginner-questions for things like this

[nimble pilot]

was Lie Yan a real person

[grim sequoia]

I forget if Wen Wuhen is Wen Tao's son or not, because I know he's the relative of Wen Wuque through Wen Tao's sister

I'm tryna look for the Wulin books

[orchid canopy]

Yes but date exactly unknown...

[royal plover]

Id this jiang yan friend from intro of the game

?

@iron canyon what is the little ghost girl at mountain platue?

[distant sage]

lolo

[tardy swift]

||My question i still wish for answer for, during the Lion Boss fight of Hexi, i didnt really kill it, i got it half way then a cutscene, i already understand this dream is about finding yourself and junk but is lion supposed to repersent young masters own emtoions? like weird inner demon of his own?||

[maiden wing]

Yes.

[iron canyon]

it's fictional(? stories written by fang bai

[woven dock]

Guys what is the Moonlight Master exactly? Is it something similar like the Sentinel Howlion

[iron canyon]

#📖lore-chat message the two lions has a bit of difference, first lion is more towards facing their hatred & ptsd, during the second lion boss fight, YM's mindset already changed and could already firmly find their standing from the line "It may be difficult to save people even when one drew their sword, but to save others, one can only draw their sword" that broke out the inner demon itself. You can also see the second lion (moonlight master), as an inner demon representing the self-doubt/self-blame when long term efforts failed at the moment (the past can't be changed no matter how YM tried, and YM has to wake up from the dream)

[true grotto]

Before I ask about any lore question, I want to ask. Is this channel specified for Global/current story or we can ask about upcoming story lore here like Kaifeng Imperial Palace lore? TIA.

[royal plover]

?

[foggy tiger]

Try #1425508678219468811

[true grotto]

Okay, thanks.

[celest flume]

Fang Bai wrote them to the painter when he was in the country side ||(after he and Lan Ao broke up), those stories were meant to tell the painter about the little things that make Fang Bai happy||

[hexed adder]

so did you find that 7 clues on that scary woods?

[iron canyon]

The stories aren't that deep, just Fang Bai expressing and entertaining himself after all the chaos he experienced, he just wants to take a break, "QinChuan Farmer" is his nickname when we was staying at the countryside since he didn't want his original name known

[hexed adder]

i hope i/we p[layer encounters aunt han in this upcoming Imperial Palace Update

[maiden wing]

same, I miss Aunt Han and Uncle Jiang

[iron canyon]

let's hope we will meet them soon

[maiden wing]

the way the story is going...and how our character may be responsible for the fall of the current empire, we need them now more than ever

pretty sure there's a line at the very beginning of the game that states it

[hexed adder]

yes that what i want and also the white haired villain who is he?

[iron canyon]

it's lizuo, the last emperor of tang, his story was presented in the gleaming abyss quest

[maiden wing]

Li Zuo, the main antagonist of the game who is obsessed with the Golden Peach and a sworn enemy of Jiang for being responsible for infecting the General with the Puppet virus. The reason why the General's statue is missing his head.

very dangerous

[lapis mason]

dangerous indeed

[iron canyon]

dangerous but he has a some points that can be emphatized with from his past😭 ||if you place him and DuZhongWei who betrayed & even surrendered to the Khitans (real person in history too), I would say LiZuo is better||

[rose berry]

What is it with Unc Jiang? also what is that jade pendant at the start of the game whats the deal with it?
Whats the relationship between the witch and Han
water lady? does it all get explained later in the story? i just defeated lord Shi

[foggy tiger]

U'll understand the story of jade pendant once u finish hexi. Or did u want spoilers?

Witch and Han is explained at the end of kaifeng or did u also want spoilers

[rose berry]

no its fine if it gets explained in the main story im cool with it

[rose berry]

the end of kaifeng is when?

[foggy tiger]

Should be the next story after lord Shi iirc

[grim sequoia]

Li Zuo is slightly better ||until then you remembered he's the reason why Wang Qing turned himself to a Sleeping Puppet||

||Here, becoming immortal is giving up your humanity and rejecting the idea of hope||

[foggy tiger]

Didn't wang qing willingly do that to defend zhongdu bridge?

That's why he died twice. It gave him a 2nd chance to fight

[grim sequoia]

||He was willing to not lose a bet too||

[foggy tiger]

I mean we don't know what happens there yet we'll have to see when it comes

[grim sequoia]

The campaign showed exactly why he did it

[foggy tiger]

But I think while it seemed like a bad thing at first, wang qing probably did it willingly

[foggy tiger]

Which campaign?

[grim sequoia]

Hutuo Campaign

[foggy tiger]

U mean the cutscene mentioning a bet?

[grim sequoia]

||The part where said "I still have one more move" in that cutscene||

[foggy tiger]

That one isn't here yet?

I'm not clicking that spoiler

I don't want to see stuff unreleased in global yet

[grim sequoia]

Not yet

[maiden wing]

This is actually in a mission in Qichuan

[foggy tiger]

Oh one more move

He just meant entering battle himself

[grim sequoia]

||The Lost Chapter quest has him say that line and the Hutuo campaign recalls it||

[maiden wing]

Of course, let's just wait until it arrives in Global and we can have a proper discussion around it

especially ||Zhongdu Bridge||

[foggy tiger]

Ngl hexi dark surge ending gave me chills when I heard the familiar music

[maiden wing]

It’s amazing

[rose berry]

it doesnt show up for me

i talked to ember already but like that main quest is gone now

[foggy tiger]

Isn't there a quest icon on velvet shade pavilion place

When u go to quest window what's there

[royal plover]

Why wang qing do that?

[rose berry]

the only main quest here is the hexi one

and the option to take my reward from the little Fu sisters disappeared too

[foggy tiger]

It's not main quest. It's one of those side quests that are called lost story or something which are essentially main quest just differently named

[rose berry]

shadows in bloom?

[grim sequoia]

Whenever I see historical based NPCs, I think about how old they were when they died

[foggy tiger]

I don't remember the name but if it's a lost chapter or something u should definitely do it cuz they are related to the main story

[nimble pilot]

What exactly did Zhao Kuangyin that was so accomplished

theres a lot of glaze on him, but I can't really find a very significant amount of details, basically just summaries

was he someone where his achievements more laid out a massive foundation rather than his own achievements being directly accomplished?

or was it something else? or both?

[quiet wigeon]

so.. he founded Song dynasty, which lasted 300+ years.
Previous dynasty, Zhou (second time appeared), lasted 9 years. Dynasty before it, Han (second time as well), lasted 4 years. Before it, Jin, lasted 11 years. By this fact alone I'm sure you can imagine how it was before Song for common people.

Aside from that he succesfully unified a lot of China during his short reign. Before him China was split into 5 dynasties and 10 kingdoms. He started the dynasty that ended this era. He's also a huge believer of meritocracy. Public servants in his era are recruited from exams, not through connections or prestigious families.

Oh, and I think most famous is the fact that after he became the emperor he made many of his military generals retire. Gave them estates and such so they can retire in peace and swore to never get involved in military again to avoid any coup d'etat. And it actually works, somehow.

[iron canyon]

If rl history is fine for you can open this ||The zhongdu bridge is a sure death for Wang Qing, and the game didn't change that. There is a difference in how they handled Wang Qing's state of going to the battle, irl history he was totally oblivious of the betrayal. But yeah up to the current information we have, he willingly entered the battefield making himself a "chess piece" of the battlefield||

[iron canyon]

Spoilers warning for those who mind so ||LiZuo did almost everything, hinting, writing letters to not let him die and try to convince him to stay alive by joining LiZuo's goals but their difference in ideals is not a recent thing, it was traced back to their second chess match we saw in qinchuan (that was after QingYi's death). From that moment onwards Wang Qing knew LiZuo is unsavable and resisted him in another way. Yes, wang qing did turn himself into a sleeping puppet, but he chose to do so by taking it upon himself instead of letting all people in the battlefield, soldiers, commoners etc turn into puppets. There's a reason why the war has another name which is Dream Puppet disaster.||

[grim sequoia]

||Indeed Li Zuo tried to convince Wang Qing to stay by his side but because he had no faith in humanity in terms of their free will, this made Wang Qing turn against him and then turn his entire plan by taking the poison on himself which led to his body and mind degrading until his death in which he asked Jiang Yan to kill him to end this madness.||

[royal plover]

Snowplum boss lore?

[west stump]

i have one question, in major quest ''head to lianghzou...'' after boss fight, noone appear in the exit, its bugged? i see on YT there will be an npc, but in mine, NPC dose't show, any tips?

[nimble pilot]

it was honestly kinda bugged for me too. try and leave the area and go back to Yumen Pass where Guo Xin is fighting later, and see if a soldier NPC is standing by the gates past where you fight Guo Xin

[median plume]

Jade gate pass best hexi zone hands down🗿

[white acorn]

Honk

[west stump]

dont work Q_Q Here is still nothing (in gate)

[orchid canopy]

Deadly brother - sister duo

[left ravine]

Just curious, I heard there is a ruby scene and aunt han backstory scene (she is wearing white clothes or something like that) that we can see in Hexi’s last region? I haven’t found the quest if so so just wanted to make sure if I should or shouldn’t keep looking

[jovial lodge]

I don’t think that’s in Hexi, It’s a prelude for unseen mountain maybe that’s where we will find Qianye

The Ruby scene was just the mc remembering her during the aynur quest

[left ravine]

Ahhhhhhh that makes more sense! I thought I was going crazy thanks!

[jovial lodge]

Which happened in Liangzhou

[jovial lodge]

lol dw I was so excited when I saw her with that white dress too

[hexed adder]

will we/the player encounters aunt han in this upcoming update?

[jovial lodge]

I’m a global player so I’m not sure but since they mentioned qianye being there I think unseen mountain will focus on aunt Han

[hexed adder]

whos unseen mountain or whats unseen mountain or also wheres unseen mountain? LMAO

[jovial lodge]

Idk 😭 I think it’s called Bujian mountain? Idk mandarin

I hope they give it a cooler English name than unseen

[left ravine]

Yeah I really just want to know what’s her backstory!

[jovial lodge]

Me too!!!

Anyone know why unfated tian disguised themselves as a man?

[grim sequoia]

Ah a reference to Dugu Yuan and Shen Hanying

Knowing Shen Hanying is already retired and even dead in her 70-90s as of the game's current timeline

[primal wadi]

When do we see the ember of east again? I didn’t get a chance to ask her to marry me in Kaifeng

😍😍😍

[grim sequoia]

You can invite her as NPC for your Blissful Retreat base next update

[hexed adder]

Im dead im gonna see her again❤️ 😻 🥰

no im not, WE ARE!

[distant sage]

hahaha

[tardy swift]

Just putting this in here cause it stood out to me.

Same kind kind of pattern in the Kaifend temple underground.

[celest flume]

Daoism

[tardy swift]

https://tenor.com/view/goma-cat-nod-gif-10363630855706579942

[river heart]

big zhao's hot

[iron canyon]

They're two siblings, and also music experts. They had a short story with Lan He, where Lan He stumbled upon them and became kindred spirits, composing a score for the cold season, depicting the characters Pine, Bamboo & Plum blossoms (aka 岁寒三友, the 3 plants are plants which could resist the cold). The score for Pine & Bamboo is completed, but not the Plum blossoms. It was passed down to their disciple called Shang PingYu, who pulled us into the boss realm (it is an illusion). The 2 heard about Lan He's "death", and wanted to head to Chang'An to offer their condolences, until they heard a familiar tone of Xiao, knowing that Lan He wasn't dead and understanding the reason behind his fake death (which is bc he wanted to retrieve the golden peach, he needed a reason to leave chang'an and cut off his identity as a reputable elite masked troupe disciple), they helped him to draw away the pursuers, their existence unknown after.

[iron canyon]

it's originally called bujianshan(不见山) that literally means unseen mountain from the in game files that they have "accidentally" included, it's called bujian mountain. It's located on top of qinghe and it's supposed to be Mohist Hill's base. Minor spoilers, but it gives some context ||The mohists lived in isolation, but they are allowed to go out of the mountain, yet due to some reasons, the mohists decided to fully isolate themselves, not allowing anyone going out/in, which explains it's name as well||

[plain star]

those shtty AI translated it into "Can't see mountain" in my language 😂 .

[iron canyon]

technically it's not wrong since it's really a simple name🤣

[plain star]

Not wrong but it's sound really weird in my language.

[royal plover]

What make global get emperial palace first

Are there no connection between imperial palace and unseen mountain, so dev can swipe the update order?

[plain star]

I heard that the devs supposed to put Palace before Unseen mtn, but in CN they already released Unseen mtn first.
So they rearrange it in glb.

[iron canyon]

there are some connections, but the storyline of unseen mtn is not complete, we don't have an answer yet but from what we know now, it does makese sense for palace to come first before unseen mountain, so it might be palace (summer-autumn) -> unseen mountain -> imperial palace (winter)

[grim sequoia]

It was Hidden in Global but then they changed to Bujian post-Qinchuan

[grim sequoia]

lmao

[rose berry]

wait why am i playing as the homeless guy in hexi again?

[rose berry]

like how did it come to that

[twilit flame]

Waaaaaaait, how tf i made that? How mucho did i miss?? XD

[lean magnet]

please tell me where i can get the info

[grim sequoia]

Sandstorm Tavern NPC chat

[lean magnet]

which npc?

[grim sequoia]

It's on the Sandstorm Tavern chat, you'll see it when it pops up

[lean magnet]

alright got to check it out once i end work but would that mean ym x zhao er is techically cannon? no i am not high on copium

[grim sequoia]

The devs really love to push their dynamic together lmao

[iron canyon]

it's such a popular thing that even the devs also liked to make jokes about them, even so, it's totally up to the players

[royal plover]

Who is the dude/lady burst into rooftop in imperial palace update poster, i thought this update focus on big zhao

[lean magnet]

|| i once saw an event think on the chinese valentiune event where it was the YM meeting Zhao Er alone. There was i think a homestead quest where Zhao Er visit YM's hometown and end up tie YM to a horse since they dont want to go back to kaifeng ||

[lean magnet]

|| Big Zhao's techically ex... its complicated||

[iron canyon]

someone related to big zhao, if you haven't done the Chilvarous Escort encounter, I would recommend you to do it first

[royal plover]

Where to encounter this

[iron canyon]

||the valentine event is true, but it's very subtle, just ym sending a gift upon big zhao big zhao is somehow setting them up huh (jk, while the second one is just a bizzare dream of YM's ||

[iron canyon]

kaifeng, search up a guide if you're interested w it

[lean magnet]

YOU TELLING ME THE LATTER IS FAKE?!??!?!

[iron canyon]

||Technically, yes, but why would YM dream of smth like this out of nowhere... hm (open interpretations! XD||

[grim sequoia]

Dreaming of something like that is a very teenage thing lmfao

[crystal island]

rednote sent me on a spiral of fan edits about them and now I'm shipping hard tbh

[lean magnet]

|| but its even more funnier that zhao er basically tie ym up cuz they dont want to go back. The funnies potential is right there man.||

[iron canyon]

ngl they made the two's interactions very subtle that players can interpret it both ways (shipping or close friends), even zhao er's fame is just too popular😂

[iron canyon]

our teenage boy&girl also had another bizzare dream ||that made them chose between yingying or the zhao family (heck, big zhao is even in his VS robes)😭 ||

[iron canyon]

||don't want to go back ❎
forcing YM to become his free labor (since, YM welcomed him with questionable ways) ✅
our ym is now finally being cautious towards him after these incidents XD||

[grim sequoia]

Yeah, it's much better that everyone should do all quests before they can talk in this chat

We should gatekeep people from talking in this chat until they've done all story quests/wandering tales

[lean magnet]

Tbh he posion them when they first officially meet

[grim sequoia]

It's not actually poison, the pill is just some random medicine

[lean magnet]

Wait thought it was actual poison

[iron canyon]

it's a convincible act to calm the situation down (since everyone is watching, and they are reputable to a certain extent) + to protect YM

[grim sequoia]

If you talk to one of the NPCs, you'll learn that the pill he gave you was just some random sugar pellet

[crystal island]

he's cute enough he can poison me. as a treat.

[iron canyon]

pretty sure it was from yingying after the whole thing ended, and we asked about her plans & info about aunt han XD

[lean magnet]

Wait rlly cuz I never select that dialogue with her and just ensure that it’s either is fake or we given the antidote in time cuz we will be pretty dead by that time we talk to her

Is this why CN ppl keep calling him a fox

[iron canyon]

she stated that guanjia (referring to the zhao brothers) wouldn't dare to poison us, but YM's cautiousness has raised so they need some reassurance

[iron canyon]

one reason, and another is because of his facial features that resembles a fox as well

[lean magnet]

Damn I always thought it mostly cuz of his face and his position as head of Kaifeng especially with the action he take

[grim sequoia]

If our melon is a dog then he's a fox. Cunning and elegant.

[iron canyon]

he may not be good in terms of martial arts like his brother, but he's pretty good with words and can be manipulating if he wants to XD

[lean magnet]

And we the dumb dumb going around, eating things we should not and picking fights all to find aunt han

[grim sequoia]

Just re-read the quest before you ask stupid questions, if you're not still understanding the quest before then it's a skill issue

[iron canyon]

i mean, this chat exists for discussions, and not everyone could remember things perfectly so let's not be harsh to them

[lean magnet]

Dude it been a while since I play that quest man. I thought I already know most of the lore. There is a reason why I am here

[grim sequoia]

Yet I still feel like only a handful are so critical when it comes to understanding the story

[iron canyon]

poor YM getting swept into all sorts of chaos, but they are actually sharp and could connect the dots pretty fast and make suitable decisions ||they need to cut some slack, they have been acting really mature and reliable but they rlly missed their uncle and aunt a lot ||

[lean magnet]

Tbh YM is still a teenager who lose their home and saw two of their friends just die. Like that is some heavy stuff for still a young child to handle. I mean the hexi arc is basically their PSTD dream

[silver birch]

Hello everyone, i got a question, people keep refering to me as "you re from the central plain" in hexi

Whats that supposed to mean ?

[silver birch]

Especially in jade gate pass

I was wondering id it has a deeper lore meaning

[sinful wasp]

Is Chuyu the Veiled Woman?

[fleet herald]

Yes

[torn tiger]

[lean magnet]

[signal fractal]

The Central Plain is a Region, but just think of it as the "Heartland" of "China". In Wuxia its often a catch all term to separate the cultural/economic centre of "China" from its periphery. China is in "" because it always depends on the setting if there even is a China. In WWM it refers to the political centre of the Tang and Song Dynasty.

[royal plover]

Did palace will be their own map, like we saw the palace on kaifeng its just small area

[signal fractal]

Yes, its a seperate instance

[silver birch]

So basically Chang'an ?

[signal fractal]

Among other stuff, yes.

[silver birch]

NPCs assume i m from changan when they ask if i m from the central plain

I thiught somehow they knew i was from another world 😂

[signal fractal]

Kaifeng for example is also part of the Central Plains but the NPCs primarily refer to the heartland, not necessarily always Chang'an.

[silver birch]

I m talking about hexi, especially in jade gate pass, they kept saying i m from the central plain so i was confused, thanks for the clarification, it helped a lot

[signal fractal]

Yea, in the Hexi context its basically refers to the primary territory of the Tang Empire including Chang'an. Hexi (Jade Gate Pass) is basically a fortified trade corridor and the longing for their "Home" is a recuring narrative of the NPCs. Hence they often mention it with you as the MC may appear like a link to their own home to them.

[wheat portal]

NPC: Did you come from Middle Earth? LOL

[signal fractal]

A modern example for someone from the US might be the US "Frontier", where Territories existed side by side with the proper States of the US but US Cavalry might have been deployed far from home to secure land, while actually longing for their home.

[silver birch]

I love that, how they all long for home, just like YM and heaven's pier

The lore in the game is legit the best i ever seen

Tho i still need to make sense of the whole hexi expansion, like what am i doing there, why did the veiled woman send me there, how does it serve the main plot, i m sure there s somzthing

[signal fractal]

The narrative of home and a unified country is a central aspect of Chinese story telling for various reasons - including political ones ofc. China has an incredibly long and rich history of fragmentation and reunification, often accompanied with massive loss of lives. Its a central theme across various centuries to promote the importance of "home" and its unity as it was seen as central in various chinese philosophies that it requires people to see their "nation" as home in order to have everyone work together and protect it to their fullest. This is of course heavily romantisized but an explanation for its emphasize in the story.

[silver birch]

It s not like she sent me there for a history lesson, whats with the painting she wanted to complete...

[signal fractal]

In short the Woman is very much connected to your own (veiled) origin. In essence she is basically the opposing element to us (as she and MC basically started live under the very same circumstances and were adopted by very different people). Just like MC she very much might or outright is a Harmonizer and both are set up to be continuation of the Golden Peach link.

[silver birch]

It seems to me like the time when we had that dream in which we fought the heartseeker, dream to deal with inner struggle, hexi is a projection to deal with YMs longing for home after what the aureat pavillion did

[silver birch]

How d u know that much about her

[glacial dust]

There is one thing that is confusing me... we were something special.. thats why uncle jiang tried to save us with that whole starting scene right? maybe all this is setup for us to go back to the location from where we were saved by jiang?

[signal fractal]

Its various things and personal aspects also heavily influenced it as shown how MC finally starts to progress the events during the Anyu(?) Quest. In short it is basically the entire setup for the McGuffin (Golden Peach) and the Woman probes our mind to find it. THere are various other aspects to it, such as the painters involvement and so forth, but boiled down, the woman tries to learn a secret from you - at the end by nefarious means - but the two of you can come to terms and maybe even lay the foundation for a complicated friendship at the ned.

[silver birch]

I never seen her before when we met near the pit, when she sent us to hexi, and never met her after that

[signal fractal]

Did you fight the woman with the huge sword?

[silver birch]

No, i didnt finish liangzhou yet

[signal fractal]

We are a Harmonizer, we can actually figure that out in the first region.

[silver birch]

I m at the quest in which yichao s nefew gets assassinated

[glacial dust]

Basically a special ability right?

[signal fractal]

The big question is: Does the golden peach make a harmonizer? If so, its an incredibly powerful artefact for that reason alone.

Yes, where winds meet heavily encompases traditional chinese music theory and philosophy. A maybe more familiar analogy might be the ripples in a pond if you throw a stone.

A harmonizer may see these ripples across the world and by that see the past or the fundamental truth of events. Its hinted that powerful harmonizers may even glimpse the future. It may also be the very foundation of wind sense as a weak form of our harmonizer powers but ultimatly it boils down to the ability of "seeing" the truth.

[signal fractal]

A ton of the narrative link of the whole region only happens at the very end.

[silver birch]

Man, thanks a lot for your clarifications, i got tons of questions but i ll leave em for later

[glacial dust]

interesting

[silver birch]

As for origins, i think YM is chai rong s child and rightful hair to the throne

[signal fractal]

My personal suggestion would be looking up Goose Girl (Formerly WWM Girl) on youtube.

Its a relatively small channel but nice to listen to and does not drag out theories unnecessarily.

Also relatively straight forward where she speculates and what she bases her conclusions on

[silver birch]

I ll check it out

[signal fractal]

Rightful heir is very complicated int he setting of ancient china xD

[silver birch]

Although most of my questions are very narrow, i hope she answers those

[silver birch]

I knew u d say that, everyone taking everyone s throne

Tho chai rong was very cool and nice, so i view him as my one true lord and emperor

I mean... He started the hanhing blade, whats cooler than that

Gou xin would be a very close 2nd, he s super cool too

[signal fractal]

Relatively speaking yes.^^ Though the Song kinda had a relatively bloodless start. Emphasize on relative. If the stories links the MC in any capacity to royalty I kinda expect it to go the route of "the current dynasty is not perfect, but the best we have." and MC becomes more of a figure within the jianghu. The jianghu is often for a reason very seperated from the court as they are somewhat polar opposites in wuxia that can be portrayed as mutual checks and balances.

The Keifeng Campaign for example played into that narrative as the MC as a martial artits rose to be a champion for the people in order to confront the court and force reforms and adjustments.

[silver birch]

I agree, he got played by velvet shade to fill that role

[signal fractal]

Big Zhaos identity as a commoner is a coping mechanism to escape the pragmatism of the court for he at his core has grown is still a common man that only rose to power and may not like what he had turned into and what he might feel is required of him to do.

[silver birch]

Tho relatively bloodless but very morally ambigius, i dont like how zhao did his friends dirty like that

Ngl, i enjoyed how murong yuan distroyed the boat as her act of revenge against him

[signal fractal]

Yea, he is not a perfect man. He may try to be good at times, but he has done a lot of very questionable stuff. I kinda expect the palace to highlight that side of him and paint him as somewhat caught in a prison of his own making. Good intentions leading to bad decisions and fundamentally the betrayal of principles he may have helt once. Power is corruption.

[silver birch]

Also relying on the NMW, shimmer of east and amber of west to fix his mistakes... Idk abt that

[signal fractal]

Well that is Wuxia for you.

The Jianghu and Wulin are the expression of the "power of the people" in chinese fantasy.

At least as far as Xias are concerned.^^

[silver birch]

Can i add you in game ? Occasionally bother u with a question or two ?

Also, what he did to the river master... Thats very trash

[signal fractal]

Uh sure, but I am often ad hoc not really a good person to ask stuff because I cant for the live of me keep the names seperate xD

[silver birch]

Saaaaaame

[signal fractal]

Most of the stuff I know is from Goose Girl anyway.

IMHO the go to for lore recaps and explanations.

I also missed so much during the campaign^^

[silver birch]

I ll totally check her out

I try hard not to miss stuff, but the links between seperate events are hard to keep tabs on

Especially when u keep forgeting names

Like tho whole goldenpeach thing

That gave it to this then this n that n now who owns it

[sinful wasp]

Why did Chuyu/Veiled Woman attack me? I don't understand how Jiang and Aunt Han is linked to Chuyu at the end of Ch3

[signal fractal]

Yea. Without having learned some fundamental about chinese history its hard to pick up stuff. Think like you would be playing a fantasy game in europe. Most western players would have some fundamental knowledge about the french revolution for example and the story can expect you to know the rough edges of these events and work from there. In WWM we simply lack the common knowledge around basic events that are well or at least somewhat known to most chinese players with a decent education.

[silver birch]

Aight time for me to leave if i dont wanna get spoiled to oblivion 😂

I ll dm you later

[signal fractal]

Jiang and Aunt Han are our parental figures. She was captured at the same event/location by an abusive/negletinv man. She impersonated the people she thought meant the most to us, without understanding WHY they are important to us (she never had a loving and caring parental figure).

By impersonating them and portraying a perfect timeline, she hoped to get information about the golden peach from us.

The timeline she created promised absolute power, a resolution to all conflict and uncontested authority. The very things she always thought her own "father" was nurturing her for, as she envisioned herself as his tool to achieve these goals.

[sinful wasp]

Why would she get info on the golden peach from a random wanderer? Because she believed Jiang/Han might know something and might have told me?

[signal fractal]

Because the random wanderer is a harmonizer and was raised by the man who had the golden peach last.

[iron canyon]

it was the exact reason why she pulled us into hexi at the beginning, she wanted to know abt her past but her "father", never told her anything

[signal fractal]

In fact, the golden peach was hidden around our neck for the last decade or longer

[sinful wasp]

Thanks

[ocean wedge]

hmm

[unreal rock]

who was the heartseeker witch actually and whys she named heartseeker?

[signal fractal]

Its your anxiety as you learn of auntie hans secret as a renowend and dagerous martial artist. Its basically MC tripping and imagining her being some cruel and dangerous killer woman.

[unreal rock]

so a hallucination?

[signal fractal]

More or less

[unreal rock]

dangg makes sense

[flint yacht]

is burlap sack story in real history?

[mossy notch]

Why are lightness skils imposible in hexi?

Or any place that osnt kaifeng

I understand keping people from flying mid city but outside?

[signal fractal]

no

[flint yacht]

huh, so nothing like that happened?

[signal fractal]

Cotton was spread because people realized its importance. the story is fictional

[hidden ingot]

K

[warm jacinth]

just finished sunken city lake campaign and im kinda confused. who was the palm strike master, was it the painter? also who is the veiled women we met in qinghe.
finished the veiled lady fight , who is the white hair dude.
how does the veiled women know about qianye location.
why is painter found dead in qinghe, wasnt he in hexi.

[north trench]

The specific story is fictional but it's based on how cotton spread to china and cotton is cheap so poor people could stay warm during cold

[flint yacht]

but did some commoner risk his life to transport it ?

[north trench]

Idk specific history probably is probably not. But i assume probably is. Because during late tang dynasty jade gate pass was closed. Many place was destroy and in danger because rebellion. And it was crazy far. So yeah probably is.

[flint yacht]

okay

that was really emotional story tbh

[gusty igloo]

[young mulch]

There's actually two dudes with "palm strike" in their name, one is the constable that you meet in one of those history stories and one is in the sunken city story quest.
White hair dude is Li Zuo (The Last Emperor of Tang), he's the main villain you see in the trailers. Also leader of Aureate Pavilion. He's the one with the insects that you see in the beginning of the story. The Gleaming Abyss tells his story.
Probably because they're from the same group.
He survived all the way to Qinghe.

Check out @GooseGirlStories (= WWM Girl) on YouTube for the best explanation.
Also finish the Dark Surge pieces for the TRUE ENDING™!!

[keen escarp]

Yo chat

I'm new here 😐

[radiant onyx]

uhm anyone there ?

[clear grail]

Hello

[lofty hinge]

It's a lore channel and not genchat, so you're more likely to get responses to comments or question about the channel topic.

[astral ravine]

Was it ever clear that we are from "Chang'an" or that just us dreaming of our home land like the rest of the encounters we have?

[maiden wing]

^

[lofty hinge]

I believe it's thematic, and that running theme is longing to return home, for the feeling of home, but it's been destroyed or effectively lost. All the Hexi stories give us versions of this, and through them, we see our protagonist process and move forward from their loss.

[celest flume]

@warm jacinth

And the painter is Huajing

The veiled lady is ||Bai Chuyu||

[grim sequoia]

.............

[iron canyon]

#📖lore-chat message read this and you would understand more about hexi

[lean magnet]

it more toward us dreaming of our home, a time where we wish to return back to the good old day. I learn from here there was a saying in china 'return back to tang and han' which basically mean what i say earlier.

Those dynasties were one of the golden age, espically the tang which the captial was in chang an (on a side note, chang an now xian an have really good noodles there).

At the time when the hexi arc took place, the tang was slowly going to hell and was heading toward the five dynasty era which my mom have describe as a time where people was eating each other... fun time...

that why so many people want to go chang an cuz it was an idea of a time one could enjoy peace and safety which fit with our ym who want to go back to blissful retreat but cant cuz it is destoryed

on a side note, i found it fitting that the homestead system is coming soon as if the ym basically realised that they miss their home from the hexi arc and decide to rebuild back

[tropic acorn]

Hello

[lean magnet]

bye and this is a lore chat

[astral ravine]

So it's metaphorical. Got it. Thank you guys

[warm jacinth]

Thank you a lot , can you tell me more about the veiled lady?

[iron canyon]

She's LiZuo's (last emperor of tang, leader of aureate pavilion) adopted child from the zhongdu bridge war (same place where jiang picked us up), older than YM by 3 years, if you read the harmonizer part of the dark surge, the veiled lady (baichuyu) and YM are both special

[warm jacinth]

who is YM

[iron canyon]

young master, young wanderer (us)

[warm jacinth]

Ohh

also another question is the painter originally from qinghe , as we find his body there at the end

[iron canyon]

he's from chang'an who came out for the "excitement" his friend fang bai mentioned, after the whole ordeal, he eventually settled down in qinghe

[warm jacinth]

another question how does she know about location of qianye (in the mountains as said in the end)

is this future spoilers/content

[thorny forge]

Whos the painter i need more lore

[iron canyon]

One possibility could be that she got to know about the incident happened at qinghe (since LiZuo's organization destroyed our home) that she probably caught wind from her master. Despite this, I have to emphasize that the veiled lady is not part of the aureate pavilion, her master never let her participate in the pavilion for some reasons

[warm jacinth]

does she also know about location of aunt han

and uncle jiang (alive right?)

or does the white hair dude know all of this

[iron canyon]

Most probably, no. The aureate pavilion once had some grudges with aunt han so she's quite a dangerous figure for them as well but who knows when we might see her in the future

[iron canyon]

the person who snatched our jade away is uncle jiang, so yes, he's safe till now

[warm jacinth]

I see

i think the white hair guy will be a future boss fight 😹

[iron canyon]

he's certainly one of the main villians out there who is supposed to be long dead but now somehow immortal(?, but fate is such an interesting aspect that somehow without the "help" of another starting point of the mess, LiZuo probably wouldn't go crazy

[lean magnet]

granted wasnt there a small child but is like in her 20s in one of the wandering tales at qinchuan. If i remember correctly if you do some of her quests, she is like posion in some way

also sorry for bringing up the previous convestation yesterday. But I redid the last portion of the kaifeng arc to get ying ying's diagloue on the posion part but uh its seem to only ask if the antidote is fake cuz we point a sword at zhao er which she confirm to be a rlly stupid idea for him to do that. Nothing on if the actual posion is real, is there any part of the quest should i recheck on. I did try to search on rednot but nothing much as well

[viscid cloud]

@night wedge this channel is for lore

[lean magnet]

wait in the next 5 years or so

[iron canyon]

oh, you mean suhuaiwei? hers is a different case tho, she was infected by a kind of disease since young(can't rlly rmb the name mb) that makes her unable to "age" in terms of physical appearance. It's different from LiZuo's kind of immortality (still, it's a theory for now) since you could still see signs of aging (his hair for example), with the existence of face changing and plastic surgery (which aunt han most probably learned and perfected it since she was extremely reputable), it wouldn't be surprising if he performed it on himself

[median plume]

Isnt that the sleeping puppet disease?

[iron canyon]

Even if the poison is actual poison, I'm pretty sure it's not the strong kind or extremely harmful/deadly. Yingying reassured YM by replying to YM, saying that YM should stop worrying, he wouldn't dare to poison YM or else guanjia (referring to Big Zhao), wouldn't let him go that easily (放心吧，他要是敢毒你，管家可不会饶了他). Big Zhao likely told zhao er at the beginning which gives zhao er a plan to handle if something goes wrong (else, why would big zhao risk going in the heroes assembly while bringing YM, and how zhao er is clearly on standby),

[sinful wasp]

Is the game logo supposed to write “sixteen”? Can’t be “ten ten” with an extra stroke right

[iron canyon]

sleeping puppets would be Lan Ao (there are multiple variations for this poison)

[median plume]

Oh

[iron canyon]

it's sixteen since that represents a key theme of the game (if you're interested, I can elaborate a bit)

[median plume]

ALRIFHT SO,CAN YALL TEACH ME ABOUT THE LORE A BIT,some secrets,cuz i know nothing unlike you😭

[sinful wasp]

Sure. I read Chinese btw, though my main language is English and I play the game in it

[median plume]

Damn thats a flex

[grim kestrel]

definitely flexing

[iron canyon]

(Disclaimer, I made this out of my own interest & inspirations collected from the videos I watched), it's about the theme of the game which is sounds, by understanding this you would also be able to pick up the harmonizer & jade parts in the dark surge as well

[median plume]

Lore bomb