📖lore-chat

[celest flume]

It seems too vague

[inland mulch]

No sorry, the flash of her character was very brief it was just like one second. I thought I had seen it from the hexi expansion but I don't think it is

I just started playing the game mid February I think the video came in game like a teaser/preview but like I said I watched the hexi promo videos and it doesn't seem to have that so idk

[celest flume]

Which platform was the video on?

[inland mulch]

She was dressed very elegantly that's the only thing I remember

[inland mulch]

I'm pretty sure I watched while on the pc client but it was not from a quest

It was something else

[celest flume]

[rare crane]

[vague shoal]

anything else aside from her? need more clues

[inland mulch]

I don't have any more 🤧🤧🤧sorry that's why I'm asking here cuz idk 😭

[velvet dawn]

[icy ermine]

Hi i dont understand how our mc is in hexi

[sinful mural]

got sent into dreamland when mc met up with a hat lady while taking shelter from the rain

....and lost against her in mahjong, iirc

[inland mulch]

I think I just found out who it was, it seems according to Google this character is from the blind to the world quest which I have not done yet lol

[vague shoal]

OH

[vague shoal]

Li zhen zhen?

[inland mulch]

Yeah

[vague shoal]

Really good quest

[inland mulch]

At least from the pictures I found it seems it's what I saw but I wonder what cinematic I saw that showed a flash of her... Lol

[magic tendon]

good morning

[icy ermine]

Thank uu

[iron canyon]

YM get baited by info again, veiled lady is also taking a gamble

[hallow turret]

any new lores?

[eternal swallow]

Guys, are utuk raptors hybrid human or cursed humans

[iron canyon]

they represent the outside foes, acting as a censor for ethicnitcity concerns

[eternal swallow]

I slightly feel robbed but understandable

[scenic obsidian]

From fish and fossils mostly

Yes, the exact phrase is 重回汉唐

[lean magnet]

I mean it’s a dream so it make more sense to be some mystic yaoguai looking bird than some foreign looking dude

[lyric moon]

hello

[lean magnet]

Bye :)

[daring briar]

YO, YALL LIKE THIS GAME RIGHT?

[lean magnet]

HELLA YA

[daring briar]

Can I dm you rq

[lean magnet]

NO

[daring briar]

Its a question about the game lol

Cant send it in here. Does not let me

It says blocked

[lean magnet]

Uh best to send it to beginners questions area but ya sure though bit busy now so can’t instantly

[daring briar]

Ok

[marble stone]

[sinful mural]

Feels sus,

[elfin oriole]

[finite pond]

Just took a look at the history, Qingzhou is in Shandong Province,

shandong province is the birth place of confucianism, and where all of the major religion of the China lies in

and it is where Confucius, or Kong Qiu and his clan where buried.

Confucius bossfight when?

[sonic pike]

what is this burlap sack and changan story about? is it connected to the main character?

[royal plover]

I think u watch it in dream, happen alot to me sometimes

[iron canyon]

Spoilers alert ||QingZhou is exactly the region that is going to be released soon in cn, and it will be Inkbound sect themed, so we can expect some fresh things ||

[upbeat oar]

the meaning behind the story reflect our character

[floral flicker]

How do you know

[crimson birch]

cn server already 1 year ahead

[rain surge]

He said in cn also qingzhou is going to release, not yet

[crimson birch]

yup cn got teaser for it already therefore know it's gonna be released soon

[iron canyon]

Ym is relieving past incidents (in hope of searching for something as requested by the veiled lady), so they're experiencing some of the stories

[distant sage]

awesome

[royal plover]

The quest so random, why suddenly there giant snake under the town

This is sekiro snake

[crystal fable]

i can't seem to unlock the last 4 remaining steam achievements are they currently unobtainable in this version? they are all at 0% too

[iron canyon]

that's the physical representation of his inner thoughts, the snake represent his "selfishness" for wanting to leave a name and have his achievements recognized as the person who reclaim hexi, but in the end he understood, what he wanted was achieved, by bringing peace to the commoners

[modest olive]

is hexi tied in with aunt han and the main story

[scenic obsidian]

Probably never, Kong Qiu（Confucius） and Meng Ke（Mencius）were considered as Classic Confucianism aka the way of Kong and Meng(孔孟之道）, and we are at Song dynasty, which is the rising time of Neo-Confucianism aka Cheng and Zhu‘s study of Rule and Manner(程朱理学）

Cheng Yi and Zhu Xi are the leaders of Neo-Confucianism

[somber spear]

Daily checkin goose feather guys

[scenic obsidian]

The key difference between Neo-Confucianism as developed by Cheng Yi and Zhu Xi and the original teachings of Confucius and Mencius lies in their understanding of the ideal moral agent and political responsibility.

Confucian and Mencian thought emphasized that a true junzi (gentleman) should be both cultivated in civil virtues and capable in martial matters. While stressing self-discipline and moral rectitude, they also required active concern for the suffering of the people. Crucially, they allowed for the moral legitimacy of overthrowing an unjust ruler—sometimes even through force—and upheld the principle of sacrificing one’s life for righteousness when necessary.

By contrast, Cheng-Zhu Neo-Confucianism diverges significantly. It largely removes the martial dimension from Confucian thought and places greater emphasis on personal moral cultivation and strict adherence to social ethics. At the same time, it reinforces the principle of loyalty to the ruler, effectively stripping away any ideological justification for subjects to oppose or rebel against the sovereign. This orientation aligned well with the Song dynasty’s political preference for civil over military governance and later became a tool for subsequent rulers to strengthen centralized authority.

After all, in the Six Arts of the junzi during the time of Confucius and Mencius, archery and charioteering were in fact military skills.

[crimson birch]

it is not directly tied to finding aunt han/uncle jiang|| but dealing with YM's emotions which is still vital since YM still is suffering from PTSD from the village fire.||

[royal plover]

So we meet woman beginning of the hexi story is before we go to kaifeng?

[crimson birch]

||nope after kaifeng from what I understand. that woman is closely related to YM's unknown origin.||

[iron canyon]

It was after kaifeng, since she knew about our deeds in kaifeng

[royal plover]

General zhang is raging tide elder?

Raging tide war along side tang?

Young general zhang and old general zhang are 1 person?

[north trench]

what is this

[iron canyon]

Raging Tides wad created by 9 prisoners (if you want to know more, read the sect overview), they were a combination of different different soldiers (e.g. retired ones, those who suffered a lost battle etc)

[iron canyon]

old general zhang = zhang yichao
young general zhang = zhang huaishen
yichao is huaishen's uncle

[royal plover]

How bout zhang we met on blade awaits encounter, the one with raging tide cloth

[crimson birch]

the one where we put the blade on the snow again quest? that's zhang huaishen fellow sect brother when he was still in raging tides sect.

[royal plover]

They not relate?

[crimson birch]

nope not blood related.
when you are in same sect or under same master, it's a custom to call senior brother/senior sister or junior brother/junior sister depending on your rank and when you joined. hence the brother title usage.

[royal plover]

Dev should put another name then zhang then, for that npc, they love to make player outside cn confuse

[scenic obsidian]

No

Old General Zhang is young General Zhang’s uncle

Zhang Yi Chao and Zhang Huaishen

[crimson birch]

tbh they are all different chinese characters but limitation of language translation hence the same zhang.

[lunar nexus]

tell me more

[finite pond]

yeah, Already teased. tho, shandong province, and Qingzhou, is where the major religion like taoism and confucianism are. Im very very curious if we gonna tackle or encounter some clan member of Kong qiu

hell, maybe we should go and dream back into past to fight confucius

[royal plover]

What is kid hui?

Who's tang emperor at this time?

The coup inside tang court already happen like 100 years?

[bitter grail]

howdy! i've read pretttttyy much all there is about TY in the pins (and all the lore videos out there on YT rn),

does anyone have a more comprehensive voiceline translation of all of his CN dialogue? in english i know it's difficult to carry 1:1 translations but i got curious. in case there's anything out there that might have more information? or at least, raw textlines of his CN words?

[robust solar]

Question: the story with Cao Jing and Luili, was this the same story line in CN? or did they change it for westerners?

[upbeat oar]

pretty sure it was the same why ??

[robust solar]

I was reading the comment sections, someone in chinese said they did that.. idk

[upbeat oar]

except translations that are hard to 1:1 sometimes I don't know what they could have changed

[upbeat oar]

which part was "changed" ?

[inland mulch]

I think you're right actually there's so much content I forget what/from where I've watched stuff playin this game lol

[robust solar]

I have no idea, i thougt i'd come here and ask if someone knows.

[robust solar]

Just checked Bilibili, it's the same. (I guess don't trust comment section)

[visual hedge]

tang dao pretty cool atm

[iron canyon]

that npc is zheng wusi, not zhang, it can be confusing in english because their pinyin is only 1 letter apart

[iron canyon]

hmmmm, I don't think it was any different? Most probably it's only the translation part, due to language barriers it may not appear the same

[autumn shuttle]

[hardy harness]

Guys how did Guanyin's grandma blind her?

And what happened to her after An Liu fell? Did she go back to Cao Manor?

[iron canyon]

they passed by zhang manor = same time as the banquet in death of governor quest, that was when she was blinded

[hardy harness]

Oh by the soldiers? I thought her grandma did something to stop her from escaping. Thanks

[amber gate]

hi sorry for asking this, due to limited time playing the game and only focus on boss killing.. is there a youtube channel or content creator that focus on lore? or recap?

i want to watch it while at work and play the game after i got home.. thank you

[iron canyon]

WWM Girl / Laufie (for the historical context)

[amber gate]

thank you so much

[alpine path]

It is heavily implied to not be a coincidence though

[amber gate]

just want to ask, are the people inside hexi region are paintings like in expedition 33?? i didnt watch the lore yet but want to know cause i just reach the moon region

are they real or illusion of the past?

[mint spade]

People still harboring this strange obsession with "China can't possibly be so progressive they have woke content like lesbians!"

And then there's those on the flip side who think China is this bastion of safety away from woke progressive crap.

When honestly it isn't that woke in the first place, and they don't know what Chinese censorship is like either...

[scenic obsidian]

I am not sure whether or not the moderation team gonna flag my message about comment relates to Chinese censorship.

Under the rule of censorship, It’s OK to have lesbian content on Chinese media as long as the lesbian wasn’t a home-wrecker and/or the entire story took place in ancient time.

And they can’t get marry in any sense.

Not personal opinion, just general information about the where the Chinese government stands on this issue.

[twilit widget]

[clever trout]

The ||beggar assasin is aynur's brother|| 🥶🥶🥶

Why whole family such baddies

[scenic obsidian]

Under China’s official speech censorship rule, animals are not allowed to become supernatural aka Yao Guai（妖怪） beings after the founding of the People’s Republic of China

Extramarital affairs may exist, but the mistress cannot replace the original partner.

[lusty patio]

[clever trout]

Guys which emperor ran away in the governor's death quest?

||zhao or li zuo or one of the middle?||

[scenic obsidian]

None of them

Remember, we are in Tang Dynasty

Neither of them were born yet

[clever trout]

Oh so this was before the fall of tang

[scenic obsidian]

Way before

[clever trout]

I thought they were in the era in middle of tang and song 😭😭

Idk how many more things im bearing wrong lmao

[scenic obsidian]

Li Zuo were born 5 years after the Governor’s death

[clever trout]

His father was killed or smtg

[clever trout]

Was the governor whose head the assasin needs the "young governor" right?

[scenic obsidian]

Yes

[scenic obsidian]

唐昭宗李晔（Li Ye）

[deep scroll]

How are we related to the tian ying

[honest rain]

Not really related, he's kinda coworkers with uncle Jiang

As far as underground organizations have coworkers

[deep scroll]

Ohhh

And also how did zhong turn into a. Monster in the death of the governor quest

[clever trout]

Why did i kill him he was fine 😭

[clever trout]

I just completed it, tried to follow story but it was so long that I lost tract

[deep scroll]

I wasn’t paying attention during the cutscene

[clever trout]

So basically the young governor got betrayed by his kins, right? An assasin showed up but the governor was dead before assasin getting to him?

[deep scroll]

I don’t remeber there was so much going on

[honest rain]

Basically because Tian Ying wanted to die (||kill off his persona to take on new spy mission without loose ends from previous one||), so he baited YM into killing him

[clever trout]

I heard ppl say the story was good so I really tried to understand but my adhd ahh brain said no 😭

[alpine path]

You did not. He is indeed fine

[clever trout]

||So he's alive! :D||

[deep scroll]

I think it’s because of how everyone’s actions tied to the death of the governor

[clever trout]

And which one was the governor?

It's prolly the fine dude but the homeless guy was writing the letter

[deep scroll]

I don’t remeber any of these guys

[clever trout]

They were at the end

[deep scroll]

In the cutscene?

[clever trout]

Yea

[deep scroll]

I missed the whole thing

[clever trout]

U saved time dw

[alpine path]

To witness it yourself you need to unlock the final cutscene in Qinghe dark/bright surges (where you get the key and need to go to a place which it unlocks)

[clever trout]

I tried to understand yet failed

[deep scroll]

Mabye the monster is the representation of the people who were coming after his role

[clever trout]

I don't even know what to do with the dark/bright surge thingy 😭

I just click whatever dot is beaming yellow and leave

[clever trout]

And in the end all of their actions killed governor together, so we see everyone including the assasin and eunuch running for the door and turning into the monster?

Or was it just the eunuch who turned into monster?

Imma just assume this is what happened and go to sleep

[deep scroll]

I see a big head of the eunuch and a small body of someone else and a lot of wings

[clever trout]

The minister was probably only on good side and we see him fighting alongside us.
Also i wonder how aynur's bro became a killer

[honest rain]

White surge basically just shows you where you are in terms of main story.
Dark surge shows you how many secret puzzle pieces you collected (through quests, exploration, encounters, etc). Once you collect enough puzzle pieces, you unlock a short story explaining how these fit into larger story. Once you unlock all short stories, you unlock the "final cutscene" of chapter

[clever trout]

Is there like the exploration must be X%

[sly bramble]

Anyone did all the bad options to get all the death lore in the death of governor quest? I did the steward path

[scenic obsidian]

Same person age 17 and 31

[honest rain]

It's not really tied to exploration🤔 you can pick up some as you play main story and jianghu legacy and campaigns, some are unlocked by triggering specific encounters, some are unlocked by picking up specific letters and examining some objects in the world, some are unlocked through talking to certain NPCs, and so on

Very few of these count to exploration progress

[clever trout]

He was killed at 31? Or died by illness

[scenic obsidian]

He died at 58, the game made him look younger

[clever trout]

I'll start looking for those from now, thanks for the tip wanderer

[scenic obsidian]

Unknown, the history didn’t give us a reason

[clever trout]

They called him young governor so I thought his father was governor and he was about to be crowned or something

[scenic obsidian]

It's like call someone .Jr（Junior）

Not necessary about age

[scenic obsidian]

his uncle

[clever trout]

Aaaahhh

It's finally all clear

Wait no

Why did the eunuch kill the purple dude?

The one that looked like revelry hall zhao guangyi

(Y'all dont necessarily have to answer all these i swear 😭)

But thank you a lot

[hidden kelp]

He's a Tang official sent alongside the eunuch to deliver the edict. There are 2 versions of the edict, one of which orders Zhang Huaishen to die. He was secretly plotting with Zhang Haishen's sister & cousin to have the eunuch give the death order. After they kill Zhang Huaishen they will blame the eunuch for giving false edict. This accomplishes 2 goals: 1. Use it as an excuse to initiate a purge of eunuchs back in Chang'an (because eunuch factions got powerful & influential in imperial affairs). 2. Give Zhang Huaiding (Huaishen's cousin, Zhang Yichao's bio son) control over the Guiyi army.

The eunuch overheard their plans so he killed the official first.

[clever trout]

After killing official, he chose to go after Zhang Huaishen anyway

[hidden kelp]

Yes, because he saw that someone tried to poison his food before. So he's very paranoid at that point and basically wants to kill everyone else to save himself. So he plans to give the death order and name the Guiyi army traitor. It's pretty clear he's not in the right mind.

[jovial lodge]

It was such a good story

[finite pond]

what does our MC said when using martial arts of phalanx and Heng daof

[jovial lodge]

But I wish the game would give us more leads on uncle Jiang

[finite pond]

something like, "Anxi, He zhai?"

[mystic idol]

|| the implication is that no one really knew who assassinated Zhang Huaishen. But, all of them wanted him dead. That's why the boss you fight is an amalgamation of all of the potential culprits ||

[jovial lodge]

And I hope we come across Aunt Han’s lover too

[mystic idol]

it's the same line in English as what Guo Xin says in the cutscene. In EN they used: "Anxi Garrison, do you hold"

[jovial lodge]

And even when Suo, went from attacking the boss to attacking us

[finite pond]

I always get pumped up when young Master says that

[mystic idol]

but yeah in CN it's "anxi jun, he zai" - 安西军，何在?

[jovial lodge]

Do I miss a chunk of lore when not doing wandering tales as much

[clever trout]

Wait what

[mystic idol]

think of it as that its not necessary to grasp the basics of what is going on, but it can either: offer a lot more context, offer another perspective, add a deeper meaning to whats happening in the WWM main story/world, or confuse you more hahaha

[clever trout]

I thought he fought the boss the entire time

Dont remember him attacking me

[jovial lodge]

I notice that despite finishing main story, campaigns legacy and dark surge and world bosses I still didn’t see the white haired guy that leads the aureate pavilion

[jovial lodge]

During the boss fight, you notice Suo attacking the boss before turning against us

[jovial lodge]

I only saw him through clips so where can I find him

[clever trout]

He did attack the boss

[mystic idol]

you won't directly see him yet. even in CN we've yet to confront him

[clever trout]

But he turned against us?

[jovial lodge]

I think so yes

[clever trout]

Oh I guess I missed out that part

[mystic idol]

he does appear in other quests though, specifically a campaign

[jovial lodge]

So where do ppl get the clips and the lore, I thought I forgot

[jovial lodge]

Which one??

[mystic idol]

there's been a series of trailers and I don't recall if there were a few cutscenes

[jovial lodge]

Thank you

[clever trout]

I think he might appear in chapter 4

[jovial lodge]

Why do you think the story hasn’t given us much leads on uncle Jiang

[clever trout]

When does qianye basically die atp

[jovial lodge]

Even the MC focuses mainly on water lady

[clever trout]

Cuz we know where he is

[jovial lodge]

Don’t spoil

[clever trout]

Stuck in the login screen

[jovial lodge]

Lmao

He disappeared way before blissful retreat was destroyed

And we know or assume that qianye is mainly apart of aunt Han past

And what’s the significance of the jade pendant

[mystic idol]

he appears in a campaign in ch4 but we don't confront him

[clever trout]

Speaks about our identity ig, I like to blv the guy who stole that pendant was jiang

[clever trout]

Was he riding a horse or smtg?

[jovial lodge]

I believe that too thief and him have similar eyes and nose

[mystic idol]

no

[clever trout]

Yeah the bangs and cut on the nose too

[clever trout]

From the past? Or in current timeline

[jovial lodge]

MC is probably Wang’s kid

[mystic idol]

past

[jovial lodge]

Anything else is too much

[clever trout]

Wang was too old by then

[jovial lodge]

Or too little like her being a normal person

[clever trout]

And that makes uncle jiang brother jiang lmao

[jovial lodge]

Old ppl can have kids especially men

[mystic idol]

it's been talked at large who MC is most likely

[jovial lodge]

What does the CN server think

[clever trout]

There is another theory tho

Id like to support it but not spoil ig

[jovial lodge]

Yeah but after killing his own adoptive father i understand why he would prefer uncle

[mystic idol]

|| there is no significant bloodline with MC. MC is just an orphan found on the battle of Zhongdu Bridge ||

[jovial lodge]

You mean the one where she is the kid of the aureate pavilion guy?

[jovial lodge]

That is also okay

And means a lot more

[mystic idol]

it aligns more with WWM writer's style of writing as well, as opposed to giving MC some special identity

[jovial lodge]

Especially after the leaf quest in Kaifeng

[clever trout]

So hes just a nobody ig

Which is ok in some way

[clever trout]

What other games did they write?

[jovial lodge]

MC being the embodiment of what the people want

[clever trout]

But the pendent having his name and being "important" might be another thing

[jovial lodge]

Even in the Kaifeng lore you see MC just doing things in the interest of people, I loved it when she put a sword near the Kaifeng prefecture

[mystic idol]

|| they are nobody significant, but also at the same time everyone. They are the only survivor of Zhongdu Bridge, so they also inherit the will/hope of everyone who fought and gave their lives in that battle ||

[silver kiln]

[jovial lodge]

What’s your thoughts on uncle Jiang

[mystic idol]

idk, for that you'd have to be a lot more familiar with how the writing team works, in terms of who gets final say in writing direction, how are decisions made. However, you can tell from the way they've currently wrote the story, what they believe in

[jovial lodge]

Without spoilers just speculation

[clever trout]

He told aunt han he couldn't let the melon soak in rain water

[mystic idol]

Without spoilers in a way, the game doesn't believe in any kind of "destined hero" trope -- rather promoting that everyone has heroes within

[jovial lodge]

YES

[clever trout]

So decided to risk own life escaping carrying a kid

[jovial lodge]

and we see this over and over, with the mysterious swordsman in Kaifeng

And the other plot, I forgot but the quest but it also ended with everyone being that one fabled hero

[clever trout]

Yeahhh

The one leaf one life

[mystic idol]

I don't think too much about it, but I think there's likely a very good reason why he hasn't returned in 3 years

[jovial lodge]

If the writers make Mc ordinary then the writing is consistent and we have to applaud them for it if it’s Wang’s kid it’s also okay

[mystic idol]

keep in mind he's probably one of the strongest fighting capabilities lorewise atm as well

[jovial lodge]

But why? Even after blissful retreat was destroyed surely he heard

[clever trout]

I thought he didn't cuz they didn't have telephones back then

[mystic idol]

no one knows for certain and can only guess, but we could only assume there's something more important or requiring his attention more so that he can't come back as freely as he'd want

[jovial lodge]

The only major thing that happened before his disappearance is him rescuing Tian Ying

[clever trout]

No wonder im not wwm's writer

[mystic idol]

|| also taking the jade pendant from MC||

[clever trout]

It's proven right

[mystic idol]

I mean, it's not rocket science to look at the character's eyebrows/eyes/skin colour

[clever trout]

Ofc

[mystic idol]

plus if it wasn't him, why not just kill MC and take the jade

why go the extra mile into not harming and only disabling? that's more effort

[clever trout]

Yes

I thought they revealed that being him with why he took it in future chapters or something

[jovial lodge]

And that one story also adds him to the web of characters, the advisor of Chai Rong thought him trustworthy to save Tian Ying, not to mention Aunt Hans lover used to be apart of the group Wang made before he died. Which means Uncle Jiang and the hanging blade might go way way back

Uncle Jiang is more well connected than water lady. He is likely involved with operatives within hanging blade

[clever trout]

He's deffo further in it than han

[jovial lodge]

lol they could have disguised him better

[karmic shale]

[sonic fern]

Where the qinchuan thingy

[worn kite]

[covert quarry]

wtf they muted me for a week

<@&1392078687372837005>

0044271322

[opaque rune]

Where? Ingame? What did you do?

[covert quarry]

Some one ask me Marry me or die

I replied her I will die single

[opaque rune]

XD

[clever trout]

Bruh they muting u for it is diabolical

[versed basalt]

Lore accurate mod

[wraith sigil]

Death of a Government reminds me how much I hate 文官 and Eunuchs

They know nothing about the plights of 武官

The best of our national heroes all died by the mouths of 文官 and 宦官

[grim roost]

whats up

[remote inlet]

nothing

[still wagon]

Do we have to use spoiler tags here?

[viscid gazelle]

Any Mods?

<@&1231156582469865522>

Why cant I move at all when my hp turns red? It just stands there and afk for a few seconds.

||@everyone||

[humble grail]

Are you playing on PC or mobile?

[viscid gazelle]

PC.

Its been happening a lot lately..

[honest dome]

[atomic violet]

yeah I was talking about real world. In the lore, they are so poor of resources they can die anytime but they have constant oil for the lamp for generations to come?

[zenith kernel]

[foggy tiger]

The lore doesn't say they are starved of resources

At least not that I can recall

They are on the silk road

Meaning merchant caravans come and go

[mint spade]

As much as you may hate them, you also have to remember just how much they've done for prosperity if the country when there's no war heroes to incriminate

Just a lot harder to write stories about a guy who made sure the poop collectors could collect poop without stinking up the city, than it is to write about some epic general killing enemies of the state

[wraith sigil]

Fine I'll just hate just the Eunuchs then

i mean i am pretty sure castration comes before being an official eunuch

I actually don't know if state covered the castration or just hired castrated eunuchs during Tang but during Ming and Qing Dynasty it was a privatized endeavor and there were brand named castration shops.

like they had people sign waivers, and had them pay for bedding and recovery fees, and the family had to give gifts and money for them to make it worthwhile

it's tricky because most eunuch castration records are Qing Dynasty because they were the most recent and kept good bookkeeping

There's also academic contention whether pre Ming/Qing dynasties also removed rod along with jewels or just the jewels. We know for sure Ming Qing eunuchs were fully castrated due to the abundance of records

again the Manchus did good bookkeeping

[atomic violet]

they dont have water, and caravans no longer reach their village

and imo, they cant farm their own crops

that leaves them to hunting and gathering

and they cant gather in the desert for food

[wraith sigil]

Where is the Chinese History guy when you need them? xD

No because them having it and like still being celibate is like a status symbol of their discipline and willpower and all that

also there's the whole Confuscian thing about your body belongs to your parents, so you shouldn't mutilate it.

which is why it's against the law to cut your hair, and cutting hair is a penal code, exception made for buddhist initiation ofc

i thought it was just 盘头 which is basically putting up your hair

if you let it down it's pretty long

which is why most hairstyles in game are long

they made short ones just to sell them because cute but like they'd be super illegal

well you see that's not even han chinese anymore

that's Jurchen Manchu

[wraith sigil]

the current political policy is that the Chinese Han culture ended with Ming and Qing Dynasty under Manchurian rule was a period of humiliation and oppression and han chinese shall not recognize it as a part of their culture.

politically the Chinese government rejects the notion of Han supremacism and confirms equality and unity in the 56 Chinese ethnicities. However also affirms in the promotion of proper Han Culture to the west

also you cannot distinguish Manchus from Han today

they are so mixed like

They are Chinese Chinese

unless you pull their ID and look at it. And Manchus can ask for ID office to make them Han

like if you want your ID to say Han ethnicity they'll do it

Northeast, like Harbing, Beijing etc

oh of course

but you can't pick them out, they don't wear their hair like that

Manchu culture is in a weird spot like It's dead like you can't tell Manchus from Han, and they basically have the same culture. The language is basically dead. The hairstyle is definitely dead, but Qing is just recent enough that their history isn't completely dead. Their clothing (although no one really buys them anymore) you see them on TV drams etc

No i'm pretty sure it's the opposite

because currently masculine man is a huge debuff

being tall and slim and fair skinned and soft and have feminity is currently the meta

like Muscular and Masculine men in the current meta is a niche

only a subset of women have that taste

the broad population prefer people you see in k-pop

I'm from Chengdu...... and I can say well....

hue... other Chinese people can attest for it

now it wasn't this way when I lived there but currently

Chengdu is the gay mecca of China, as well as the capital of femboys and crossdressers. and No I was not there and do not know how we got that reputation

anywyas

screw them Eunuchs they ruin everything

[night raptor]

❤️

[final moon]

u are the lore/history master, i appreciate u and ur knowledge, just wanted to let u know

[wraith sigil]

nah there's better

I swear there was a Chinese History guy around here somewhere

also @foggy tiger

[final moon]

then u are one of them 🙏 i always love reading this channel

[wraith sigil]

❤️

[scarlet yarrow]

time to go to chengdu

[opal oriole]

the term you're looking for is "culturally extinct"
they have fully assimilated after centuries of intermarriage

[wraith sigil]

they heavily oppressed the Hans during their regime and when Qing government fell the Hans murdered every Manchu they could get their hands on. During that time many Manchus cut their queue braids and changed their Manchu name to Han Chinese names.

it's all nasty business

also historical reputation nowadays flips on a dime

While I was growing up Liu bei's son and heir Liu Chan is known for being dumb incompetant and a coward. "How could he surrender Shu without a fight?" "I am having fun so I do not think of home? what an ingrate." to he is wise and knows his limits, and saved his people fighting against inevitable doom "Sima Yi was testing him to see if he has Shu restoration thoughts, saying that saved his life. What a wise man." Fun fact although historically been considered incompetent he was the longest ruling sovereign emperor during the 3 kingdoms period and it wasn't even close. So historical records are fixed, but people's interpretation often change with time.

I swear First and Only Female Emperor Wuzetian's reptutation went from Cool First and only Woman Empress! to Boo Cruel Tyrant! to Make Reformations for the People! to Did some real messed up stuff, screw her. All within my lifetime. xD

[vernal knoll]

What

[crystal stream]

What

[lean magnet]

Tbh, when come to politics if you don’t have any skeletons in your closet. You are not a true politician

[iron canyon]

In the end it's the complexity of humans that caused all sorts of tragedy. We later generations looking back in history at 3rd person view can clearly see through the truth, but it's a different case when things happen. You have people who are "stubborn" in a sense till the end, and you have people who are manipulative, inhumane, etc, everything comes with a sacrifice

[zenith pecan]

At this point the story is mehhhhh

[gleaming carbon]

🧐

[zenith pecan]

No fun at all..dead more than a dead fish

Can't even skip

Just let me skip the whole story at once....after that old man story I can't..I just can't hold my patience anymore on this dang stories

The bosses are facing this whole story frustration

[silver birch]

need assistence

i m doing hexi

[celest flume]

#⚔️swordsman-questions Maybe look here

[silver birch]

n a lost chapter showed in this area (It looked like an oisis but it was just a mirrage) i thought okey i ll just do some oddities first

n now i cant find it

[zenith pecan]

Where is a deer boss ...will it be on the next section?

[plain star]

far left of snow area, go through a portal to a dungeon and talk to the ghost (?) in there 2 times.

[zenith pecan]

Thank you..his reckoning will be today then...or else someday.

[dusky grotto]

do you guys know where to find ghost master tomes? for his first story

[zinc arch]

What is the Dasan Pass entity?

[patent bough]

the new stories all have sad endings

[celest flume]

Partially correct

[celest flume]

Sentinel Howlion, campaign boss

[wide trellis]

Lore-wise, what is Howlion?

[celest flume]

I just said above
Its a campaign boss

[knotty moth]

[wide trellis]

Is it a spirit, deity, someone turned into a lion, just a wild lion, etc?

[celest flume]

We don't have enough information to elaborate its lore yet
We just know it guards Dasan pass that leads to Qinchuan

[zinc arch]

Not even CN knows what it is?

[celest flume]

You can ask CN players/ look for posts related to CN content
We're in global ver

[zinc arch]

Not very helpful, can't find any information about it either way

[tiny frost]

So we got brown eyes and that scar

[gilded dew]

might find out next region

[frail finch]

Next lore the rise an fall of the Mongols

China get taken by ghengis khan in 900 then suddenly china overcomes an then overthrows the mongols

[cerulean bluff]

the game's story already began in 962

[torpid ember]

what would burlap say? ...awhhuuuhhh

[grand seal]

Does anyone know what the relationship between Aunt Han and Qianye is like?

[wheat canopy]

so.. what exactly happened in the ending of paper moon? both dead?

[foggy tiger]

Eh im hardly a history expert I just go along with story and research the bits that interest me

[upbeat oar]

hatred ande desire

[snow cobalt]

[lean magnet]

Man qianye is really a menace to the jianghu

[pliant zodiac]

How far is Liangzhou town story wise do you have to be to unlock Dasan Pass? Cause it says unlocked after completing death of standards campaign but idk which campaign that is.

[grim sequoia]

same scar from prologue, it's even on the default face customisation

[sand summit]

🩷

[iron canyon]

pretty sure it's the governor campaign, you'll have to unlock fallen liangzhou before you can access it

[lapis mason]

woaw

[iron canyon]

The lion you can see it as ym's inner demon, and the physical representation of the commoner's resentment. The lion was inspired by a poem 西凉伎 (can be found in the compendium), and the line highlighted was: 狮子回头向西望，哀吼一声观者悲。(The lion turned and gazed towards the west, its mournful roar brings sorrow to all.) The author used a lion to represent LiangZhou, gazing towards Changan's direction while roaring mournfully, showing the grief of the commoners, of why Tang disregarded them, why Tang refused to let hexi return to Tang. If looked from YM's pov, Ym is already suffering ptsd from losing their home, combining with the achivements regarding the lion, it's refers to breaking through their obsessions, mirroring YM's lost of home, and how they were trying to avoid facing it. To "return home", ym has to accept and defeat it. (It's not explicitly stated, so it's an open ended interpretation.)

[frozen glen]

Hi does anyone has this bug where there is only background music but no voices during main quest cutscene?

Liangzhou mainquest specifically

[amber cargo]

Woah thats crazyyy

[scenic obsidian]

Wrong, It’s 1207 AD

Mongols won’t appear in our story for 200 more years

The Khitans were still there now.

They have to be replaced by Jurchens(Jin) then follow by Mongols.

We are currently in Northern Song Dynasty aka 北宋

The Mongols came after the Southern Song dynasty aka 南宋, which is the second half of the song dynasty.

[zenith kernel]

[scenic obsidian]

From the death of Emperor Taizu（Big Zhao） of Song in 976 to the rise of Genghis Khan in 1206, East Asia witnessed a full cycle of imperial transformation compressed into roughly two centuries. In this period, the Song dynasty moved from consolidation to chronic external pressure, confronting successive northern powers—the Liao（Khitans), Western Xia(Tibitanized Turks), and later the Jin(Jurchens)—while increasingly relying on diplomacy, tribute, and defensive strategies rather than decisive military strength. Internally, ambitious reforms such as those of Wang Anshi triggered intense factional conflict that weakened long-term governance. The situation culminated in the catastrophic Jingkang Incident of 1127, when the Jin captured the Song capital and ended the Northern Song, forcing the court to retreat south and establish the Southern Song. What followed was not recovery but stabilization under constraint: a century of uneasy coexistence, tribute relations, and limited military resistance, even as figures like Yue Fei briefly attempted reversal. By the late twelfth century, the Song–Jin order had hardened into a fragile equilibrium—just as a new and far more formidable force was emerging on the steppe. When Genghis Khan unified the Mongol tribes in 1206, he entered a geopolitical landscape already shaped by the rise and fall, reform and fragmentation, war and compromise of an entire dynasty. In essence, the span between 976 and 1206 encapsulates not merely a sequence of events, but the rise, crisis, collapse, and partial survival of the Song—effectively the lifecycle of a dynasty unfolding before the Mongol expansion reshaped Eurasia altogether.

See how many things happened.

Key Year Markers (976–1206):
• 976 — Death of Emperor Taizu of Song
• 979 — Battle of Gaoliang River (Song defeat by Liao)
• 1004 — Treaty of Chanyuan (Song–Liao peace agreement)
• 1038 — Founding of Western Xia by Li Yuanhao
• 1044 — Song–Xia peace agreement
• 1069 — Wang Anshi launches reforms
• 1085 — Conservative reversal under Sima Guang
• 1115 — Founding of the Jin dynasty by Wanyan Aguda
• 1120 — Song–Jin Alliance (against Liao)
• 1125 — Fall of the Liao dynasty
• 1127 — Jingkang Incident (fall of Northern Song)
• 1127 — Establishment of the Southern Song under Emperor Gaozong of Song
• 1142 — Treaty of Shaoxing (Song–Jin settlement; execution of Yue Fei)
• 1161 — Battle of Caishi (Song victory over Jin)
• 1206 — Genghis Khan unifies the Mongols

[somber nebula]

[flint sand]

Wow

[royal plover]

Why someone have well knowledge about history

[opal oriole]

Song very bad at war despite inventing gunpowder

[scenic obsidian]

It’s for fireworks my friend

[upbeat oar]

I think they are majored in college

[opal oriole]

thats why they bad at war, too little focus on military

[timber flame]

[scenic obsidian]

I am not trying to make anyone nervous.

It just the comment saying Mongols are the next it’s like Henry the Fifth talking about Industrial Revolution

It just not fit at all.

[honest rain]

Quite ironic for dynasty that was started by a general

[storm hatch]

This is lore chat not C-drama recommendation chat.
Probably better to try #💬off-topic

[sly bramble]

sure, its just that you guys here no the best of china's history and all

[storm hatch]

History not necessarily means know good C-drama

[opal oriole]

we players need the repeating crossbow and musket the npcs are carrying

[storm saffron]

#🌱beginner-questions please do not try to @ everyone or @ moderator for issues that aren't related to the discord server.

[gleaming fog]

hi

[jovial lodge]

Not out yet, will come in May

[foggy tiger]

Lol genghis khan. That's gonna be where winds meet 3. We're all playjng VR when that happen. If we're still around to see it

[bright cape]

À

[wraith sigil]

There were go there’s the Chinese history guy i talked about

[thick anchor]

😲

[orchid thistle]

hi

[gloomy sleet]

Question..chang an map coming next month? If so, is this bigger than hexi and liangzhou?

[reef heron]

chang'an is destroyed

[cerulean bluff]

Chang'an is no more

next is Qinchuan

[scenic obsidian]

I doubt the dev team have the ability to make a city big and marvelous like Chang An, Kaifeng is only a quarter size of Chang An.

[hoary parcel]

screams internally

[fervent oxide]

👀

[fickle bolt]

Just finished all the questlines, and wow... The wine questline is incredible. Absolutely loved it, felt also so connected to the main story. Is there any background explained to it so I can read up on it? Like, was it a reference to some historic event, or what? Do I understand that Aynur and the nobles were Turks?

[vague shoal]

I love the lost chapters, main story is okay tho

The liangzhou melody was too symbolic for my taste

Onto the yuri arc

[fickle bolt]

I agree, Main Story was okayish, didn't really amaze me, Lost Chapters were incredible.

[hoary parcel]

death of a governor is amazing

[eternal widget]

You can watch the video explaining about it from wwmgirl on youtube

[fickle bolt]

I know there are tons of people that say that it has tons of symbolisms that makes it somehow a super good story, but it felt like a massive trope to me

[fickle bolt]

Maybe the story itself is great, but the quest was such a drag... I tried to focus and understand what was going on, but the dialogue dump was too much, and the localization didn't make sense at times, so it made it even harder

I had to use external sources to understand what it was about

and it just wasn't fun gameplay wise

[vague shoal]

So far i like burlap sack way more than liangzhou melody even

[fickle bolt]

Burlap sack was great, I agree

I completed it in one go and wanted to know what will happen next all the time

it's up there story-wise for me along with the wine lost chapter and the snake one

[vague shoal]

Burlap sack walking at least makes sense, lian daozi walkin was lowkey annoying for me lol

[fickle bolt]

I think it was mostly the inn layout that annoyed me, you had to walk at snail's pace and you just couldn't go in straight lines, had to circle the whole inn to get down, etc

and... let's be honest, maybe I'm not getting some super deep symbolism, but the story was not really revolutionary... a guy that has sort of belonging crisis and needs to understand where "home is" is something that is pretty common

[vague shoal]

100% this lmao

[alpine path]

Story doesn’t have to be revolutionary to be good

[vague shoal]

Was thinking the same thing

[fickle bolt]

no, I agree, but it didn't really grip me in any way

[vague shoal]

Burlap sack story isnt too but I just relate to him way more

[alpine path]

Which is fair, I don’t think it could work for everyone. I think the more you relate to it on a personal level the more it will probably affect you.

[fickle bolt]

Fair, with Burlap Sack I was really concerned for him, wondered if he will make it, I really rooted for him

and the ending with seeds in the eyes to spread cotton via vultures was also great

[alpine path]

I think in general with Hexi the devs went risky in terms how people would take it. The format and the content is not smth you would be advised to go for if you want a success

[fickle bolt]

yeah, Liangzhou itself has so many different ways of presenting story that it does indeed feel like an experiment

[eager pawn]

Folks, is there a place with main story and side story of Liangzhou explained? Like a "tldr" version of each one, but with all the aspects to keep in mind and pay attention. It's tedious that I only found videos of 20/30 minutes of too much unnecessary explanation with more disconnected things/information. The game did not respect our time and did not help me understand the whole plot (may be related to the poor portuguese localization quality), and the creators about the game also think our time is to waste without go directly to the point 😕😔

[vague shoal]

I’d say wwm girl but havent watch her new lore vids so dont know how long they r. Probably 15 mins

[eager pawn]

Thanks, I will take a look @vague shoal

[vague shoal]

Thing is new quest needs a lot of context from real chinese history to understand so it makes sense videos would be longer than usual

[eager pawn]

Sure! I will also take it into consideration. I'm just a bit stressed after spend too much time on it and finish these stories without much direction on what happened exactly. Thanks a lot

[wraith sigil]

LZM is for us expats targets our biggest weakness

Most non expats are pretty immune

[lavish meadow]

u dont have a home?

[serene sequoia]

wording....

[tardy prism]

Are you done do quest at governer residence..? If not you will hate them too..need do 2 time for that quest to get anecdotes full 😅

[winter furnace]

[viscid gazelle]

How is that not related to this server? And you answered after more than 12 hours. LOL. Im trying to play a game and then it lags? When it shouldnt since I have 7800x3d and 4080ti? Just a simple answer would help but you didnt even asnwered it. LOL wp ADMIN.

[eager pawn]

no way... do we have to search for anecdotes there? I'll pass if so. I get some as far as I remember, but it was natural

[alpine path]

Please take a second to look in what channel you are having this conversation and try to find an appropriate one for your issue.

[viscid gazelle]

Well I didnt know he couldve answered me then redirect me to the right channel. Thank you.

[honest rain]

Your question about hp [aka, gameplay mechanics] does not belong here, in space for discussing game story. There are spaces for general discussion, reporting issues as well as asking questions about mechanics, people there can help you. People come here to discuss story, not help/discuss mechanics

[steady lava]

[storm saffron]

Yes, because we are an international volunteer mod team covering a wide range of timezones. Your @ moderator happened after I was already asleep. If you're experiecing bugs use #game-support to report it to the Game Support Team. We have no way to assist you with them since we do not have access to any game files or systems. Regardless #📖lore-chat isn't the place for this

[fickle bolt]

[carmine pagoda]

where is aynur

[ember tiger]

So did Zhang Yichao force his brother to be a captive?

[twin valve]

The story in liangzhou is cool

[loud vine]

da hell happened to the ending of the paper moon quest

[wraith sigil]

You wouldn’t get it

[ember tiger]

I wonder why Zhang Huaishen wasn't mad at all. But I feel like they kinda have to reimagine people's personality a bit so the story can be smooth bc the actual history record probably doesn't record their personal feelings so maybe he's mad idk.

[vague shoal]

It's explained in the encounter quest

[ember tiger]

The one with the sword in the snow?

[vague shoal]

Yeah

[honest rain]

There's an encounter quest that goes into the Huaishen's POV on the decision. [Spoilers] ||He was mad, to the point that he almost overthrew his uncle, but when he came to kill the guy he discovered that it was all according to plan. Yichao was getting ready to go to Chang'an himself and he wanted to see if Huaishen could gather and lead people => if he was ready for the position.|| The quest goes into much more detail, I do revommend playing it yourself

[ember tiger]

thank you i should play everything first but i was too impatient lol

[spice laurel]

Is the assassin in death of the governor is tian ying? And will that be the assassination that caused tian ying trouble?

[honest rain]

Tian Ying won't be born for a while after death of the governor quest! He's about late 20s~early 30s as of 962 [current year in WWM story], Hexi is visions of past centuries ago

I think it's about ~200 years ago, but don't quote me on that

[spice laurel]

I played an encounter at the beginning with old sun i think with the raging tides disciple about that young General's blade so i think it's not that far , ( i can be wrong tho )

[wraith sigil]

Probably not Tian Ying would have to be so old

[ivory scarab]

[wraith sigil]

i kind of get the collapse in Paper moon symbolize the chaos and totall collapse caused by General Zhang's and his family's excution, But is Liuli confirmed dead from the event?

[upbeat oar]

Basically yeah

[honest rain]

It is that far, you can check the Raging Tides legacy page and see how far their 2nd Grand Marshall was from their current one

Another method would be straight up check irl life events (ex: lady Gongsun's departure is mentioned as recent events in Jade Gate path. We know it happened after An Lushan rebellion, putting that part around/after 763. Zhao Kuangyin became an emperor in 960, "current year" is 962). Not sure which even can be used for Liangzhou, but you get the gist

Oh, you can just cross-check with Zhang Yichao and Huaishen's years in power. Devs have been decent about sticking to years of events, so it's a decent pointer to say that we arrive there not too long after 867

[honest rain]

Also, previously discussed markers
#📖lore-chat message

[faint marlin]

yes she's dead dead, it's not even an open ending, their character bios clearly spell out her fate

[wraith sigil]

F

[finite pond]

The music at the end of liangzhou melody quest. the way all of the instrument and different languages or dialects seamlessly blend together. it's so peak man.

I was tearing out of homesickness

[lavish meadow]

a stranger in where you are and in your homeland, that it?

[topaz pilot]

wth

[honest rain]

Some WWM characters are based on real people, apparently Zhang governors are part of those

[finite pond]

Zhang Yichao led an uprising against the tibetans iirc

there's a single player game that gonna tackle that overall story

blood message if i remember correctly the title

tibetans where called tubuo back then right? or not?

[finite pond]

this hurt

[clever trout]

I thought broken liangzhou was past then they rebuilt it or something

Knowing the beautiful place was past and it got wrecked like that is heartbreaking

🥺

[scarlet yarrow]

how was the lady woh hall master alive in this time (liangzhou)? didn't she participate in zhongdu bridge?

[timber flame]

[stuck ridge]

I played straight both Liangzhou main campaign tonight. No tears left to cry

This game is making me so curious about my culture and history damn. Back then when my parents tried to make me study China’s history as I was little I thought it was so boring

[merry cypress]

dev successfully making history so fun, I'm also full of curious now (I'm not even cn citizen)

[rocky scroll]

It's easy to learn some things if you change the medium.

[mystic idol]

yeah tubuo is referring to basically tibetans

[light herald]

Oh man there's a channel for lore I totally forgot I've been wanting to scream somewhere about the quest I just did but I didn't know where 😂

Did anyone do the 'her legacy' quest?

Also how do I do the spoiler thing!!

[mystic idol]

use || but put it around the start and end of your spoiler

[light herald]

Ah I was just gonna ask lol |test|

[mystic idol]

the woh hall master of that time did not participate in zhongdu bridge

[light herald]

Wah

[mystic idol]

two of them ||, so 4 total

[finite pond]

Made me go flashback me reading thick ahh history book. like half of the topics are the main well known dynasties of china lol.

[scarlet yarrow]

but she did try to dissuade the general right?

[light herald]

||test two||

[scarlet yarrow]

or am i misremembering

[lean magnet]

Tbh school have a terrible way of teaching history to kids. They should have treated history as storytelling. Feel like that a more interesting way to spread knowledge

[mystic idol]

Wang Qing was her most prized and best pupil, she tried to dissuade him from joining the army in general

[light herald]

That's how ancient people told their history!! Frfr

[mystic idol]

Jiang Yan (uncle Jiang)'s father and Wang Qing were both WoH members, with different philosophies and interpretations to WoH way of life

[finite pond]

The music at the end of liangzhou melody is so damn beautiful. the culmination of every cultures, blending seamlessly, the beautiful blend of all instruments, the way they mixed the folksongs, The mix of blissful retreat and qinghe... if ever the devs bring the custom sfx flute i'll be putting it in my flute.

[mystic idol]

Jiang believed you need to take care of yourself first, then you can continue and have the strength to help others.
Wang Qing believed you should always help others when you can, regardless of your capabilities/cost to you (to put in simpler terms)

that was why he left WoH and joined the imperial army

[finite pond]

did Well of Heaven helped in the battle of zhongdu bridge?

I thought that uncle jiang has a bit of resentment on WoH

[mystic idol]

During Zhongdu bridge battle, || WoH members wanted to go and help him. The hall master didn't want them to (since many had suspicions that Du Chongwei was going to betray them), but turned a blind eye to those who wanted to go instead of forbidding them outright||

[light herald]

I wasnt a huuuge ruby fan but I appreciated the little sister vibe ||and totally was shocked when she frickin died chapter one 😭 || and I just did a lil random side quest called 'her legacy' and I initially thought it was about madame Han but ofc || it was emotional closure for losing RUBY || so good. Free game btw.

Sorry to tangent ahah I didn't know where to pop that in

[mystic idol]

||yes, 300 WoH members went to help, along with Jianghu Wanderers from other sects. This is venturing into chapter 4 details so let me know if you don't want me to spoil, unless you're already aware||

[finite pond]

||I was so pissed at that Du chongwei man, when he didn't sent backup forces because of his greed. I was glad how he died tho, according to the history||

[mystic idol]

you're aware of how the battle ends right?

[finite pond]

yep. watched rexlent stream

||the last stand of every wanderers and soldiers against khitans, them dying one by one... oof||

||that human bridge is painful not gonna lie||

||Just to clarify, did we watched the battle of zhongdu bridge from the lens of a wanderer who volunteered to defend it against khitans? basically dream of the past iirc||

||because that last cutscene of young master waking up made me think if he dreamed of it||

[mystic idol]

a small detail in this game is that if you look for the lore of the heng dao martial art style -- it was developed by the WoH hall master.

||What happened was that she decided to also go to Zhongdu bridge (albeit after the other 300+ members), but she arrived too late. When she got there, she saw all of them dead (and worse, many bodies were mutilated and decapitated, placing their head on spikes/bodies hung as a psychological warfare against the rest of the jianghu warriors. When she saw this, she went crazy and closed herself off -- when she finally came out, she developed the heng dao martial art style "splitting snow" or whatever it's called in english. If you fight with this martial art style, you'll notice that unlike the other weapon styles, when you deflect, your character's feet do not move. When you slash, you do not step backwards. You are in it to fight until the end and not backing down. It is also why the Heng Dao execute is designed this way: you stab your sword into the opponent's chest, and rip it out from them. This martial art style was filled with the hall master's hatred for the Khitan and her wish to slaughter them.||

[stuck ridge]

I’m a Chinese living in Italy so I didn’t even had the right resources to learn my culture when I was little but for my parents seemed such a big deal so I was kinda forced to go to a Chinese afternoon school. Thinking about it now I really understand nothing about how beautiful my country’s heritage is and only started to be genuine curious as I started to play this game. Main chapters and Lost chapters make me tear down everytime And feel so related in so many ways in some quests and topics

[finite pond]

Oooh interesting. who made the phalanxblade martial arts tho

Raging tidez?

[honest rain]

A lot of martial arts we currently have were developed by WoH/members of WoH when you look at it

[mystic idol]

Lorewise, phalanxblade is inspired by the Anxi army

[lean magnet]

I thought it’s was because he can no longer agree with their ideology. Smth from the into the jianghu quest thingy say smth about it

[mystic idol]

yes, but this one was special -- if the tank moblade style is the standard reflection of WoH, then the hengdao style is the one born from her hatred

[lean magnet]

Dude I am Singaporean Chinese who terrible at Chinese even though my mom is from china and my country have a huge Chinese culture. Don’t beat yourself up for it

[finite pond]

true, that special skill has us shouting ANXI HE ZHAI

or whatever it is pronounced in chinese

[mystic idol]

and the soldiers that help you are the anxi soldiers

in spirit essentially, haha

[stuck ridge]

Nah I’m not beating myself for that, I’m still young and have time to learn

Gonna dig every inch of lore out of this game

[lean magnet]

True plus the internet, I mean we have a guy who have a degree in Chinese history here

[finite pond]

do your mom speaks hokkien? i heard most singaporean speaks hokkien in singapore

[lean magnet]

My mom from Chongqing there so no although my dad is Hokkien but refused to teach me. Saying it was useless

[finite pond]

whaaat?! why useless?

I've been listening to some Hokkien dialect music and it was insane

also, Iirc, the liangzhou melody ending music has a hokkien dialect mixed

[lean magnet]

I mean nowadays only the older generation speak Hokkien plus most of my gen isn’t gud at Chinese

[lean magnet]

Uh still haven’t time to complete the region cuz just started w*rk😭

[finite pond]

yeah, it's kinda sad, I think we're uhh, what's the word or term? like getting homogenized or something

I think I notice this trend too in every language

[lean magnet]

Man we are so cooked

[finite pond]

It is what it is

[scarlet yarrow]

ngl i did not realize five dynasties ten kingdoms timeline was short

[mystic idol]

yupp it does

[lean magnet]

Tbh there is only so long that china could split apart

[mystic idol]

hokkien is nice, it lets you understand some traditional taiwanese, as well as teochiew dialect

basically 3 in 1 dialect there 😭 I wish i knew it

[lean magnet]

Wait I thought Taiwanese is already traditional Chinese

[mystic idol]

I mean the dialect spoken outside of Taipei

[finite pond]

mongolian, uyghur, minnanese, hokkien dialect, and some chinese dialect I forgot to write

[mystic idol]

there's a dialect spoken by usually the village provinces in taiwan, my taiwanese friend told me it shares a lot of pronunciations with hokkien

[finite pond]

Also, I think I got interested in Hokkien because of the farming song that is sang in hokkien dialect

Ti-oh-oh or something?

[lean magnet]

Ah okay that make sense

[finite pond]

also, Mongolians (Genghis Khan)

Chinese considered five dynasty ten kingdoms as the dark period of china no?

compared to romance of 3 kingdoms

[mystic idol]

yeah

[lean magnet]

My mom say it’s was an era where ppl eat ppl

[mystic idol]

I'm not familiar with this personally I didnt grow up around Hokkien people so idk much about it

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[mystic idol]

I'm more familiar with the others I mentioned 😭

[mystic idol]

yeah, this wasn't in the game because it's censored obviously but during times of extreme poverty there would be some of that

[finite pond]

how about the 3 kingdoms? isn't that brutal too?

[mystic idol]

|| in fact in chapter 4, in one of the maps you can talk to an NPC and they are basically eating dirt to stay alive, that was included in the game||

[finite pond]

Ti-oh-oh hokkien song I just searched lmao

[mystic idol]

ohhh, I'll give this a listen later

[finite pond]

there are like several iterations of it or several adaptation of this folk song

when did five dynasty 10 kingdoms kickstarted? at the splintering of tang dynasty? or sacking of changan?

[mystic idol]

less so

5 dynasty 10 kingdoms were especially violent and unstable because it had independent regimes, think like warlords who would take over with no prior experience on how to govern a kingdom and doing as they pleased, whereas 3 kingdoms were developed kingdoms vying for land and power with established bureaucracies

[lean magnet]

I mean there was a women who is feeding her own child with her blood. Now that a whole new level of desperation

[mystic idol]

yeah that was kind of their way of putting it nicely how bad it was

[finite pond]

what dynasty that existed during that era? zhou, song, liao, jin?

[mystic idol]

for which era, 3 kingdoms?

[finite pond]

the 5 dynasty 10 kingdom

[mystic idol]

Liang, Tang, Jin, Han, Zhou

[finite pond]

Really? I thought Tang dynasty was once of the most prosperous Dynasty back then?

well, until a certain rebellion ofcourse

[mystic idol]

It's later Tang

not the Tang dynasty

[finite pond]

ohhh, so it's like the roman empire situation, they splintered into different factions??

I think I remember now, when we talked to the shimmer of south

the guy was based on southern Tang

then the Aureate pavilion too

along with the immortal guy,

[near quartz]

[carmine axle]

are there gauntlet weapons in the game?

[royal plover]

At this time coup inside tang court already happen for 100 years?

[merry cypress]

Dem, I'm reading all this lore like a newspaper, everything got me hooked

[rancid lake]

🍉

[lean magnet]

Not yet wait til July or June

[zenith pecan]

Patience

[blazing zephyr]

The lore drop lately has making me so oh my goodness

I cannot wait until they drop me

MORE

[finite pond]

July or June is too early, expect the fist to arrive beyond September

[lean magnet]

God damn it why wwm

[pure elm]

Can't wait for fist weapon!

[slim meteor]

why is ts so sad? have the devs never been loved in their lives?

[iron canyon]

it's describing how in such a short time they have experienced a change of 5 dynasties

[vague shoal]

lol no way it's september, fist is in the new region after hexi and if it takes that long game would be dead

[bitter grail]

does anyone know what TY says in p2 in Chinese, when he attacks you during that phase? it's not said anywhere else and i am a monolingual plebian 🙏

[royal plover]

After finish aynur lost chapter, we saw that ym really seek on revenge road to qianye after what her done.

I thought ym not gonna take this road.

[iron canyon]

Devs love to use mirroring, ym till this point hasn't taken revenge on qianye, so is Aynur. If you notice the short description after you drank the wine 3 times, it says something like, Does Aynur really exists? Note that, Aynur is still alive (if you did the governor campaign) but from eavesdropping, she went insane after, so she didn't get to revenge on those who destroyed her family as well

[hasty loom]

[mild stratus]

[lean magnet]

|| there was a clip on rednote where ym was chasing after Qianye in 不见山. If I rmb correctly, lots of comments say that when they laugh. It’s was as if they have lost their mind ||

[covert quarry]

is there any map yet to come in future which is already in chinease server?

[west drum]

Thats why phalanxblade summons anxi army, what about hengblade

[lean magnet]

Kaifeng palace and 不见山 (base of Mohist hill) those the one I know of

I hear there a up coming map region with the base of ink bound sect

[west drum]

Is the qianye’s confortation linked with Lianzhou?

[lean magnet]

Not rlly from what I saw and hear from others. Think hexi as an surreal interpretation of MC’s longing for home

[iron canyon]

veiled lady promised us with info about qianye, that was basically ym's ptsd manifesting (like a dream within a dream)

[lean magnet]

Jesus that kid rlly need a therapist huh

[iron canyon]

heng blade was created by the 20th WoH sect leader (Shen Han Ying), the base was from her father, she "perfected" it after witnessing the 300 disciples went to aid Wang Qing in the ZhongDu Bridge battle, she was worried, but by the time she arrived,~~ she saw them decapitated and piled up~~, that's why the martial arts only focuses on attacking, and will deal damage immediately after you parry, it was her resentment and grief. WoH suffered a lot from the battle and the sect was on the verge of disbanding

[iron canyon]

ym is only 16 after all, and grew up with a lot of love, they were really sheltered until the fire came

[west drum]

But why hengblade not showing on woh sect ultimate

[iron canyon]

the martial arts is called snowparting blade, hengblade is the name of the weapon

[royal plover]

Why full spoiler, i even dunno if safe to open it or not for myself

[iron canyon]

it's about content from later chapters, so if you mind, better not

[red pulsar]

According to the lore today I get Gacha Item, Gacha Outfit, Harmonic Core or double Harmonic Core from the Gacha. I manifest this!!! 🙏🏽

[tender rover]

Are there good resources to watch in depth lore dump videos? Ideally in comparison with the historical accuracy and etc. Think vatividya or etc for darksouls

[blissful stirrup]

Are Aynur and her family supposed to be Turkic? I don't think they have Mandarin names and Aynur has green and blue eyes.

[iron canyon]

WWM Girl + Laufie

[thick anchor]

Damnn

[torpid ginkgo]

Bro icl hexi has been the worst main part, boring confusing story. Rubbish campaigns apart from whitecrown fortress.

[fickle bolt]

I would so love for some darker chapter where MC goes bonkers and just gives in, a campaign where you literally hunt Aureate Pavilion

[lean magnet]

Our Mc in their villain arc

[fickle bolt]

ngl, that mirror part with Aynur felt so cathartic

I want to see angry MC, also more opportunity to show their martial prowess

[fickle bolt]

more like antihero arc

[finite pond]

I can't stop listening Im tearing my eyes out 😭

[royal plover]

Fwalicia

[mystic idol]

The last folk song is also super popular throughout china today, most mainlanders prob know it

[crystal stream]

Really?

[finite pond]

the jasmine flower?

the mongolian and tibetan singing give me bit of chills

[mystic idol]

yeah

super popular as in well known

if you hum the melody most people can name it lol

[scenic obsidian]

When you hear the lyrics of folk songs in Shanbei dialect, Uyghurs language, Mongolian, Nanai language, Hunan dialect, Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokkien and Wu in the end of Liangzhou Melody.

In the final sequence of the Liangzhou Melody storyline, a series of Chinese folk songs from across different regions of China appear one after another. Each song represents a specific place, culture, and historical memory:

⸻

1. Shandandan Flowers Bloom Red (《山丹丹那个开花》)
   Origin: Northern Shaanxi (Northwest China, Loess Plateau)
   This is a revolutionary-era folk song rooted in the rural traditions of northern Shaanxi. Its melody comes from local peasant singing styles, often associated with the harsh but resilient life of the northwest.
   → Represents the rugged, war-scarred northwest frontier.

⸻

2. Yimeng Mountain Melody (《沂蒙山小调》)
   Origin: Shandong Province (Eastern China)
   A soft and lyrical folk tune from the Yimeng mountain region, reflecting everyday rural life and emotional warmth.
   → Represents the agricultural heartland of eastern China.

⸻

3. Lift Your Veil (《掀起你的盖头来》)
   Origin: Xinjiang (Northwest China, Uyghur ethnic tradition)
   Derived from Uyghur music, this song reflects Central Asian musical influences, with lively rhythms and themes of romance and celebration.
   → Represents China’s western frontier and its strong non-Han cultural traditions.

⸻

4. Qianmen Sentiments, Big Bowl Tea (《前门情思大碗茶》)
   Origin: Beijing (North China)
   A modern folk-style song rooted in Beijing’s urban culture, evoking old streets, teahouses, and local nostalgia.
   → Represents the imperial capital and urban folk memory.

⸻

5. Wusuli Boat Song (《乌苏里船歌》)
   Origin: Heilongjiang (Northeast China, Hezhe/Nanai ethnic minority)
   A river song sung by the Hezhe/Nanai people, traditionally fishermen along the Ussuri River. It reflects a life closely tied to nature and waterways.
   → Represents the far northeast and indigenous river cultures.

⸻

6. Hongyan (Wild Geese) (《鸿雁》)
   Origin: Inner Mongolia (Northern China, Mongolian folk tradition)
   A deeply melancholic song about distance and longing, often associated with the vast grasslands and nomadic life.
   → Represents the northern steppe and themes of migration and separation.

⸻

7. Honghu Waters, Waves Upon Waves (《洪湖水浪打浪》)
   Origin: Hubei Province (Central China)
   Originally from a revolutionary opera, but based on local folk style, this song reflects lake-region life and collective struggle.
   → Represents central China and its revolutionary memory.

⸻

8. Liuyang River (《浏阳河》)
   Origin: Hunan Province (South-Central China)
   A gentle folk song centered around the Liuyang River, symbolizing local identity and natural beauty.
   → Represents inland southern culture.

⸻

9. Moonlight Shines Bright (《月光光》)
   Origin: Guangdong / Lingnan region (South China, Cantonese tradition)
   A traditional Cantonese lullaby, simple and soothing, often sung to children.
   → Represents southern coastal culture and family intimacy.

⸻

10. Mountain Songs Like the Spring River (《山歌好比春江水》)
    Origin: Guangxi (Southwest China, Zhuang ethnic tradition)
    A famous Zhuang minority folk song, characterized by antiphonal singing (call-and-response), often performed during festivals.
    → Represents southwest ethnic diversity and communal expression.

⸻

11. Wang Chunfeng (《望春风》)
    Origin: Fujian/Taiwan
    A classic Fujianese/Taiwanese folk song, expressing youthful longing and subtle romantic emotion.
    → Represents Chinese cultural extension beyond the mainland.

⸻

12. Jasmine Flower (Mo Li Hua) (《茉莉花》)
    Origin: Jiangsu Province (Lower Yangtze, Eastern China)
    One of the most internationally recognized Chinese folk songs, known for its elegance and simplicity.
    → Represents the refined cultural core of traditional Han Chinese aesthetics.

[indigo cloud]

[remote arrow]

[scenic obsidian]

My favorite is Hongyan

I wish they also include the folk song Yi Tiao Da He 一条大河 (Such a Big River).

[sharp lily]

What song are the children in the middle of the lake in liangzhou singing?

[scenic obsidian]

张议潮变文

The uprising statement of Zhang Yi Chao

忽闻犬戎起狼心，叛逆西同把险林。
星夜排兵奔疾道，此时用命总须擒。
汉家持刃如霜雪，虏骑天宽无处逃。
一阵戎狄输欲尽，上将威临煞气高。
犬羊才见唐军胜，星散回兵所在抽。
远来今日须诛灭，不驱豺狼岂肯休。
       ——歌词改编自《张议潮变文》

Sudden word—the Rong wolves rise,
Rebel hearts beneath the skies.
Westward through the peril’d wood,
They defy as traitors would.

Through the night the ranks are drawn,
Racing fast till break of dawn.
Now is life or death to claim—
None may falter in this game.

Blades of Han like frost and snow,
Strike—no path for foes to go.
Heaven wide, yet none can flee,
Routed horsemen cease to be.

One fierce clash—the tribes undone,
Broken, scattered, nearly gone.
Where the general’s might descends,
Killing aura never ends.

Like sheep and hounds they see defeat,
Flee in shards, in full retreat.
Yet from afar they came to die—
None shall live, none pass us by.

If the wolves are left to roam,
How can peace return to home?

[desert haven]

A good exploring guild?

[finite pond]

The uyghur one and the unknown tibetan along with the mongolian music is so pleasant to hear. China have been preserving their history huh?

[scenic obsidian]

I am not a Mongolian or Tibetan so I am not qualify to testify on that.

[celest phoenix]

Does anyone know how to trigger the All In Vain encounter for Liangzhou?

[finite pond]

what I mean is, that I think it's really nice how China tries to preserve the culture that has been existing since the ancient times. or Tang dynasty i think... considering how the modern society forgetting something.. hmmm

[jovial lodge]

Absolute goat

[alpine path]

It is not related to this channel and better suited in #🌱beginner-questions but it is right there in the left lower corner when you open encounters tab of the quests

[jovial lodge]

Sorry

And thank you

[clever depot]

Just finished LiangZhou melody main quest:
good plot sources
terrible story design
whoever make story design of that chapter need to be fired. so bad.

[finite pond]

terrible story design?? in what sense? it's not undesrstandable to you?

[jovial lodge]

It was a beautiful story of what it means to call a place home, even when you have never been there. It represents every second generation immigrants etc

[clever depot]

there are much better way to tell the story than that mumbo jumbo bullsh*it

[jovial lodge]

After Burlap sack I learned to be patient with the plots

[clever depot]

burlap sack is good

plot is good, the way story told isn't

[jovial lodge]

we have different tastes

I hope you enjoy papermoon, it’s so beautiful

[upbeat oar]

Good reminder that not everyone is super human young master that fight demons after saving 3 villages

[finite pond]

Liangzhou melody became my top favorite mainquest. compared to the kaifeng main quest

[finite pond]

This. due to my past personal experiences, I guess the quest resonated to me more compared to some hype and aura moments in kaifeng and qinghe

[jovial lodge]

Kaifeng main quest was my absolute favourite I love political intrigue

[jovial lodge]

Quests can be good but the one that has a personal impact just feels different

[upbeat oar]

You will love chapter 4

[jovial lodge]

OMG I DID

DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED

HOMEWARD VOW WAS INCREDIBLE

And no spoilers or YouTube guide I was fully immersed

[upbeat oar]

That’s still chapter 3

[jovial lodge]

And the part where the MC gets the sword

[upbeat oar]

Chapter 4 is what coming after Hexi

[jovial lodge]

Nope it’s one of the campaigns

[clever depot]

shrug, I just remember I play the game no read book or watch movie so as I said before: for Liangzhou the plot is good, but else nah.

[jovial lodge]

Huh? Isn’t chapter 5 and 6 in qichuan

[upbeat oar]

Hexi as a whole is chapter 3

[finite pond]

is this the mohist hill chapter?

[upbeat oar]

Yeah

[jovial lodge]

I meant the jianghu legacy section

[jovial lodge]

The engineering ppl?

[finite pond]

yeah, those engineers who subscribed to no violence

[upbeat oar]

Mohist Hill plot is a good mix of political issues and cool inside story that are a bit more emotional

[finite pond]

mohist sect

[jovial lodge]

I better get more rong yuan stuff even little stuff

[finite pond]

Murong yuan's mother was a Mohist sect iirc

[jovial lodge]

Thank you now I’m so excited

[finite pond]

Wish we could see murong's mother if she's alive

[jovial lodge]

Wait why spoil :((

Or was it already mentioned and I didn’t know

[finite pond]

it was mentuoned

during the murong yuan quest

[jovial lodge]

My memory is bad woah

My bad

[finite pond]

I think it was mentioned by general shou shouxin or the chained father

[upbeat oar]

But yeah you will probably love it
It’s a great place with tons of funny stuff that are a bit outside of the traditional Wuxia context without being as mythical as Hexi while still keeping that wow impression

[hot pike]

Why is burlap sacks coins marked 15th year of dali if Dali never lasted 15 years

[jovial lodge]

WAIT IS KAIFENG PREFECTURE GUY GONNA BE THERE

[upbeat oar]

Yeah

[jovial lodge]

Because the Anxi soldiers didn’t know how long they have been gone

[jovial lodge]

OMG OMG OMG

[hot pike]

Ty

[finite pond]

||zhao kuangyin?||

[upbeat oar]

||Zhao brother will be the main part for the political stuff||

[jovial lodge]

Yeah

I like calling him prefecture cause idk how to spell his name well

[finite pond]

I love his outfit lol

his jianghu outfit

[upbeat oar]

It’s a 680 outfit iirc

[jovial lodge]

I liked the quest I had to do for him and his inner demons

[finite pond]

||oh yeah, I just remembered! in the boat quest in Qinghe, the master thief stuff, I didn't know the guy who owned the boat tried to kill yingying (wen wuque)||

[jovial lodge]

I forgot that quest, it was kinda boring

[finite pond]

yeah it is, but it is an interesting sneak peak of what is happening in Jiangnan

and an interesting ideological clash between a businessman and a master thief

[jovial lodge]

I don’t remember much so I can’t comment

I just remember falling into the water a lot because I didn’t know what the yellow jump thing was for

[finite pond]

fair. but the guy who owns the boat tried to kill yingying and stole her martial arts if I read it right in the lore

that's why Yingying arrived in the kaifeng bloodied

[jovial lodge]

Where can I read on this

[finite pond]

Map>World>characters

I think you can see it in the characters too

[jovial lodge]

So I have to click on the master thief?

Alright then thank you

[finite pond]

either the master thief, the boat guy owner, or ying ying

[heavy anvil]

liked the quest too~

[grim sequoia]

After Hexi, I really want Bujianshan to come faster so people can finally shut up about the progress

[spice laurel]

So behind the well in the clinic in Qinghe i found in the room something i can't equip handwritten scroll
So any idea what is that

[hidden token]

j

[indigo nymph]

[mystic idol]

zhang kuangyin is big zhao btw, prefecture name is zhao guangyi

[grim sequoia]

They're brothers, 12 years apart. Big Zhao is 35 and ZGY is 23.

[royal plover]

Didnt guangyi name of cao guangyi of liangzhou, are those relate each other?

[grim sequoia]

No

[honest rain]

For Chinese names, first 《word》 is the surname/family name while the second is personal name. For the brothers, "Zhao" is the family name, Kuangyin and Guangyi are personal names. People having same personal names is more matter of coincidence than anything

[grim sequoia]

Btw it's funny to think Uncle Jiang, Big Zhao and maybe CZX are the same age

[honest rain]

And Tian Ying is younger than them😆

[honest rain]

Chen Zixi.... he appears in some of Jian Yan's stories, so we can check if he's younger or older by the way JWL addresses him🤔
(Which I unfortunately can't recall of the top of my head)

Same age group, that's as far as my memory goes

[grim sequoia]

Given Big Zhao's current state is a result of him being heavily pressured as emperor

[royal plover]

So they are relate?

[honest rain]

More likely the culprit is going from highly active position to sedentary papers&meetings position + stress isn't helping

[honest rain]

Who are they

Zhao brothers? Yes. The Liangzhou guy? Coincidence

[grim sequoia]

Absolutely not, hanzi differs

[iron canyon]

not so sure abt who you're saying, the cao I know in liangzhao is cao (曹), the zhao brothers in kaifeng is 赵, they're not related, but it can be confusing because the pinyin seems & sounds similar, in cn the characters have distinct differences, zhao is the more common surname if compared to cao

[royal plover]

Does Chinese ppl say it that 2 words same way verbally?

[iron canyon]

cáo (曹) and zhào (赵) these are their pinyins, the first tone is going up while the second is stressed (downwards kind of feel), so it's very clear, plus when pronouncing zhao, you have the h sound while cao doesn't

[lean magnet]

Wait that was him!? I thought they were only related in someway cuz of their surname and being rich as hell. Not him the one that chase her out

[trim fractal]

Hey how can i join pathner program

[sharp lily]

At first I didn't like it either, and then i realized that was the point. The sheer helplessness of it..

[glad stratus]

[zenith pecan]

Is the red dresss girl some how related to MC's aunt or it's a total different story

[pale pelican]

Anyone knows which lore channels are recommended? Besides WWMGirl

[iron canyon]

yeah wuhen & wuque (yingying) are cousins, you can read their stories in one of their bios

[grim sequoia]

C in Chinese is pronounced like S, Zh is pronounced identically to J

[uneven reef]

Idt C is like that but ig zh is similar to J altho zh needs alittle more emphasis

[grim sequoia]

I still want to throw a brick at Global devs for their constant mispronunciations

[tranquil quartz]

[tired ember]

waiting

[eternal widget]

[iron canyon]

Unless they get vas that are fluent in both chinese & english to ensure the accuracy the pronounciations, but that would be quite hard because voice acting still has multiple aspects to be considered off

[cerulean bluff]

regarding Roaring Sands lore, who made the formula/elixir/method to create the Dragon King from carps?

[median plume]

Uhhhh,did i lose history class already?😂

[grim sequoia]

At least they should put more effort like certain 3d anime gacha games and have voice direction

[north trench]

@scenic obsidian what is Huajian Ke. Many people near velvet shade place have this title

[scenic obsidian]

The literal translation is “People around flowers”

Transliteration would be “patron of the pleasure house”

[north trench]

Hmmm sus

https://tenor.com/view/reze-tongue-out-reze-chainsaw-man-moving-her-head-reze-head-moving-reze-chainsaw-man-gif-15937294161332759512

[iron canyon]

Most probably it's the zhang family (river master family)

[graceful vapor]

hi guys im new here

[midnight sinew]

[celest flume]

raika on 4k

[lean magnet]

Hi guys I’m new here, I’m dad

[crimson birch]

i think it's just a way of saying they come regulary to come see the flowers (aka velvet shade members) and they contribute a lot hence patron. but then again a vs member was entangled with a married women

[glad stratus]

[honest rain]

Also some VS wandering tales implying night of passion.... what are they doing there👁 how deep does the art go👁👁👁

[tiny frost]

We already got our cherry picked if that's the case

YM is not really the type to commit in any relationship at the moment anyway

[honest rain]

Considering how nonchalant they were about the situation, I'm either wildly misreading it, or the cherry might've already been picked for some time

[cerulean bluff]

isn't it implied that such a thing is part of their services or am i misunderstanding something? so "patron of the pleasure house" is very understandable

the game being 12+ seems to be why it is not often implied. but when it does, that's the implication i get

[tiny frost]

I mean human tr*ficking is a thing in the game if you read the scissor ladies lore for example, they were subtle with the dark stuff

[cerulean bluff]

i know, Unbound Cavern stuff was uncomfortable

that's why i was thinking, if the devs put stuff like the Unbound Cavern, the implication of ''pleasure house" isn't far fetched

[honest rain]

And the fact that the location is called "Ghost Revelry Hall"... devs sure didn't hide the parallel

[tiny frost]

Yeah it's pretty grim

[cerulean bluff]

and then i found the Injustice Quest in Forsaken Quarter, the grandma of one of the scissor girls 🙁

stings deeper

[tiny frost]

Oh yeah, that quest

[honest rain]

There's also a Qinghe encounter where YM gets tricked, and the "implication" is if they weren't lucky to have NMW intercept the "shipment", they'd get trafficked to Unbound Cavern😶

[cerulean bluff]

yea that one

quick trip to Kaifeng if the player hasn't reached it😅

[crimson birch]

that gave me the chilling through my bones when it happened...

just thinking about the what ifs

[honest rain]

Also their enemy description is heartbreaking, drugged and abused to the point of losing their mind

[cerulean bluff]

this. it is also written that they disfigure their face as a form of coping mechanism 😔

it is why i killed them all. i tried to mercy kill them, at least that's what i think to myself

[honest rain]

You can even stop and open the ghostlight market boundary stone early😆

[cerulean bluff]

speaking of eery quest, there was a cannibal lady quest in Flower Expanse

[crimson birch]

i did see a cannibal with a dead chicken but a lady? 👀

[tiny frost]

? The ugly lady?

[cerulean bluff]

no no, the one inside a carriage

with a black cat

[tiny frost]

Oh, probably missed it.

[cerulean bluff]

she drugged MC and the MC got sent to a certain AP village

[tiny frost]

MC faints a lot tbh which is bc of uncle jiang exposing him to rain back then lol

[honest rain]

Poor YM must have poison resistance after all these times getting drugged (and all the alcohol they drink)

[cerulean bluff]

i still giggle when i think the MC sniffs the moldy wooden board in Zheng E's quest

[crimson birch]

YM's sense of scent developing XD

[honest rain]

No wonder Zhai Xu had a field day with them, YM is that kind of special

[tiny frost]

YM canonically can't survive the 9mw base without being stripped naked of his belongings

[cerulean bluff]

out of all their base shenanigans

what made me annoyed was the fart pill

[tiny frost]

YM was really pissed with the bee sting prank out of all the stuff in there tbh

[cerulean bluff]

oh i managed to avoid that

they were pissed lol

[honest rain]

Everything else can be interpreted in good fun, but the bee stings.... well, they sting

[tiny frost]

You missed the chance to see your chara face swelled up

[crimson birch]

it looks so goofy asf

[tiny frost]

His voice cracked me up, he sounds so upset

I'll never believe anything you say ever again!

[crimson birch]

they're a kind hearted person but a person also have their limits XD

[tiny frost]

Speaking of, chinese VAs deserve their flowers. The facial expressions kinda lacking tho

[crimson birch]

the wwm models kinda have a bit of less expression sometimes esp kinda out of focus dead eyes

[honest rain]

I heard WWM has a Weird code for facial models to save space+allow to easily see customization in multi-player, so they can only di so much with the facial emotions😭

[tiny frost]

Yeah i thought so too, i always speculated it was bc of the models themselves

[crimson birch]

speaking of fart, reminds me of this

[tiny frost]

The NPCs also have those dead eyes too lol

[crimson birch]

the eyes look very dazed and out of focus...

[tiny frost]

Speaking of, why don't we have a cutscene gallery? Was it brought up in the suggestion before?

Because I'm putting it up if no one did, I'm kinda tired repeating some quests

[crimson birch]

we need them ngl, i tried choosing quest replay on some but some are bugged (e.g. ever normal grarnry quest you're just stuck in the domain)

[honest rain]

Because all WWM human models use same code😭 as far as I understand, they have a few "baseline" dummies [old male/female, young male/female, kid, etc] and they use vectors to "adjust" the faces to specific customized features for players and some NPCs. I guess if they did a lot of facial expressions, it'd clash with how they handle customizable faces, so they went with safe route of limited expressions

That's why all low-importance male NPCs have same scar as YM

[tiny frost]

Done lol

[honest rain]

BC basic YM face is the "dummy" everyone else gets superimposed on

[tiny frost]

It's kinda weird seeing them with the same scar which should have been exclusive to the YM

It doesn't feel so special anymore

[lean magnet]

Oh god that explain so much

[crimson birch]

i was surprised to see it on an npc first and thought it was lore significant imagine the disappointment when i found out it was default model hence the scar

[tiny frost]

I made my scar a bit more visible as compensation

[honest rain]

I lowkey forgot it was YM's scar, because I removed it from mine, but after seeing it one too many times... even Huaishen's shidi got it, like come on

[honest rain]

It's kinda weird, because the character face adjustment screen classifies it as Accessory, so I'm assuming the scar isn't "hard-coded" or drawn into the textures, so how is it on everyone

[tiny frost]

YM scar is one of their iconic features as a kid tho so it's weird they just used it on their generic models out of all things

Now we have a buncha NPCs with the same scar running around

[honest rain]

Trust, there's a secret tooth-fairy-type-thing running around jianghu and putting that scar on everyone/jk

[iron canyon]

Girls in revelry hall (or sometimes in general) are compared as flowers, so as a customer, you're called as flower visitors

[alpine path]

As it is part of default makeup - it gets applied on characters in certain memory dives for gossips as well. So you will see a very different face to the one your friend actually has

[jovial lodge]

Is it true that the English VA is ai?

The Chinese ones are amazing

[jovial lodge]

fwalicia honestly her and wwm girl are the best we got

[iron canyon]

heard about some, but I don't think all of them are

[jovial lodge]

I found that switching to mandarin even forced me to listen to things I’d usually ignore

[jovial lodge]

That’s not good

[honest rain]

Unfortunately it's likely same as text, some are person-made/edited, some less important aren't touched by humans

[jovial lodge]

They could have 1 male and 1 female VA that does all the less important characters

[iron canyon]

Sadly true, but to a certain extend, if you see an npc with a different unique face, you know they are definitely going to be an important

[honest rain]

We can speculate on the team all we want, but there's no knowing for sure here😭 the eng.text has mistakes that are clearly AI, eng.marketing team uses AI 《visuals》 on some posts, but it's hard to prove for voiceover

[lean magnet]

Jesus Christ, the whales did not spend over 50k just to have AI voice acting. If they want it, do it for the common npc walking around

[opal oriole]

imdb.com/title/tt22781080/fullcredits/

English VA is listed here noobs

[foggy tiger]

Uncle Jiang didn't want aureate pavilion to easily identify mc so he went around at night cutting people on the face while they sleep

It's true. I totally didn't make it up

[ocean wedge]

Lmao

[lean magnet]

Ah sweet thanks

[ebon ginkgo]

amazing story

[urban spruce]

best god game

[warped cedar]

Lmaoo

[royal plover]

What scar?

[crimson birch]

the scar on left side of their face, shown by how they got in the first few cutscenes when you first login to game

[ruby schooner]

[royal plover]

Where ym get the scar?

[tiny frost]

cutscene before uncle jiang fight void king, he was scratched on his cheek

[elfin cargo]

Where is mobile chat

[steel sparrow]

Mobile chat ?

[steel sparrow]

Same question

[glad stratus]

lol, creepy

must be in the goose

[worldly wigeon]

Hi, I’ve been playing the new quest, and I feel like the rewards are too low. It feels like a waste of time and isn't very fun. Does anyone else feel the same way?

[tiny frost]

idk what quest you're refering to, there's a lot of new quests

[sharp lily]

Which new quest

[worldly wigeon]

Chapter three a lonely moon over Chang'an

it's too slow and longgggg

I spend more than 1 hour just hear Chang'an Chang'an

[mystic idol]

then dont play

[worldly wigeon]

this is main quest bro

[tiny frost]

you won't play this game long if you find that stuff boring lol and you even said that in the lore chat 🤣

[worldly wigeon]

yeah I just play more than 300 hours ?

[tiny frost]

it was slow paced yeah, but the stories are barely boring

most of us here played since release

if you don't understand something in that quest, just ask. That's what this chat is for.

[worldly wigeon]

I think 300 is a huge number. Just like you, I’ve been playing since the game's release, and this feels like a bit much

was just sharing that the current chapter feels slow and drawn-out. The previous one was much better in my opinion.

[elfin cargo]

Ig they removed

[ember tiger]

was it stated why most people in kingvine village die?