📖lore-chat

[scenic obsidian]

And the strategy sword just missed all the juice

[honest rain]

Very interesting, extra unrelated to the topic

[north trench]

jiju mean mathematic?

[scenic obsidian]

Means exponentiation

[north trench]

ooo

[scenic obsidian]

A concept in Math

So basically these people create a martial art based on how they solve the equations and math problems.

Which also means this martial arts have the power of any level to its nine power

Like 2 to the ninth power is 512

[honest rain]

Can you show an example? Bc all my attempts to look it up say that exponent is a different word, and the strategic sword ones are closer to integration. (Chances are, my resources can't handle old chinese math words)

[scenic obsidian]

a much much bigger number

[scenic obsidian]

“For example, in math, 2^3 means multiplying 2 by itself three times. Classical Chinese called that kind of repeated multiplication ‘积钜.’ So ‘积钜九剑’ naturally suggests a technique whose power increases like a ninth power, which is why ‘Sword of the Ninth Power’ fits well.”

“The translation works because it keeps both layers of meaning: literally, ‘积钜’ refers to exponentiation in traditional mathematical terminology; metaphorically, it conveys escalating, explosive growth. ‘Sword of the Ninth Power’ captures both the technical sense and the dramatic tone.

The name suggests each move amplifies the previous one exponentially rather than linearly. By the ninth strike, the power isn’t just nine times stronger—it’s on an entirely different scale. ‘Sword of the Ninth Power’ expresses that escalation clearly.

So strategic sword is pretty lazy in terms of translation

[honest rain]

I'm questioning not the math part but the 积钜 part because nothing is coming up with the translation/explanation you're talking about

[honest rain]

Huh, it also explains why this one in particular got the mechanics of DoT (damage accumulates over time) and "explosive ult" (big damage attack that builds upon previous attacks)

[scenic obsidian]

The term jiju (积钜) appears in Ming-dynasty mathematical writing, most notably in Suanfa Tongzong (1592), where it refers to repeated self-multiplication—that is, what we now call exponentiation.

I won’t go too detail in this because the original documents are pictures.

So it might explain why there are no source pops up when you search in words or Chinese characters

And I would apologize for get the ancient Chinese characters wrong

It suppose to be 积矩 instead of 积钜

钜和矩有时候是通假字………

[honest rain]

I'll be first to admit that my attempts were lazy at best, but u can see how they got me so confused

[scenic obsidian]

钜 and 矩 are exchangeable character in chinese writings

[scenic obsidian]

try this one 积矩

And I found the text

From the book 《古今释疑》《Q&A of Ancient Chinese Concepts》

[honest rain]

Alr, and I am going to steal keep in mind this website for vocab

[scenic obsidian]

It might also took inspiration from the legendary Chinese martial art from the Jinyong’s series named 独孤九剑

The Nine Sword of Dugu

Dugu is the last name of the martial artist in the wuxia novel written by Jinyong. He is best swordsman in the story

[honest rain]

That'd explain why specifically power of 9, instead of any other number (in arabic-system math, 9 is largest single-digit number, but cn has no problems in this department). Chances are, devs decided to make it a combination of a few references

[scenic obsidian]

So the translation strategic sword just missed all the juice and references.

[scenic obsidian]

Cause 9 is the biggest single digit number in Chinese mathematics concept.

9 can means extreme

Like the Chinese people believe there are nine layers of sky, the 9th sky is the highest.

[honest rain]

I mean, they don't have "number of symbols"-kind of problem. They could've easily used 万 or some other to show "to the power of big", while using same number of syllables, but if they were making a reference to specific nine swords...

[scenic obsidian]

Like the famousest Chinese mathematician book is called 九章算术 《The Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art》

It has more than nine chapters I believe

I’m feeling like they just use nine to refer large number.

[scenic obsidian]

So the dev team was trying to stick with Lone Cloud’s mathematical background

[steel crest]

alo

[honest rain]

WWM are really sneaky, packing so many refs in one name of the martial arts style and then completely throwing it away for english

[scenic obsidian]

Exactly, translating 积钜九剑 to strategic sword is like calling Excalibur: “ The mighty sword”

It just boring….

So the chapter of Hexi gave me extra difficulty to explain to my friends over the world, what’s going on and who is the enemies

And why most of the new bosses are animals and monsters instead of human beings.

The short story is this

||Because the Hexi chapter is set in western China during the middle to late Tang dynasty, the Tang’s main adversaries in the west at that time were the Tibetan Empire and the Western Turks. The Tibetans are regarded as the ancestors of modern Tibetans, while the Western Turks are considered the ancestors of the Uyghurs. In contemporary China, both groups are highly sensitive subjects: discussion about them—especially depictions involving armed forces—is heavily restricted. Such portrayals are seen domestically as likely to amplify memories of past conflicts between Han Chinese and these groups, potentially fostering ethnic tension and undermining unity.||

||So all the enemies end up being turned into vague mythical creatures and monsters.||

[honest rain]

The raptors are definitely representing some human group, for god's sake, they wear clothes and set up camps with campfire and animated human-like when they stand

[scenic obsidian]

||I am 90% sure they representing western Turks. The Western Turks had a tradition of keeping birds of prey, and for a long period they held the upper hand over Tang forces in battle.||

[honest rain]

But the skeletal blooms are likely the representation of animal companions that pass away due to droughts and war. There's a story about A'su (dog), they move like cats, display solitary ambush predator behaviors, and they have hooves. And, well, their description repeatedly refer back to droughts

[scenic obsidian]

||Moreover, I’ve found many eagle and vulture totems and sculptures associated with the Seljuk Empire founded by Turkic peoples.||

[fierce pumice]

how come i cant get this quest done? i am playing the flute

[honest rain]

Different pose (playing flute while standing)

[fierce pumice]

i dont see a standing one

[honest rain]

It's in static poses (you might also have it locked)

[fierce pumice]

?

anyone know how to unlock flute, xun or drum yet?>

[scenic obsidian]

||And If we take away the U from the Utuk raptors, Tuk means battle flag and battle totem in Ancient Turkish language||

[honest rain]

Search for the pose standing with flute in this section

[honest rain]

That's... kinda on the nose, ngl

Or, one might say, on the beak

[scenic obsidian]

Hahaha

[fierce pumice]

nvm found it tysm, u guys are awesome

[scenic obsidian]

So the only reason why our storyline can still mention Khi-tan is because Genghis Khan and Mongols already wiped out all of them from the surface of this planet, they have no clear group of ethnic descendent in China.

So it’s green light

[honest rain]

"Nobody is here to complain"

[honest rain]

I see you like cats.... have you seen the Cat Fever encounter👀

[scenic obsidian]

Being there done there

[nimble pilot]

same vibe as bullying an orphan and asking them “who you gonna tell? your parents?”

[stone abyss]

[ocean wedge]

[spark plover]

Anyone knew who exactly the guy with the hat that appear in chapter 1 ending? I was curious for quite sometime but can't find any info on him.

[royal plover]

Bc it not happen in real world, u are in dreamscape so many fictional beast here, and they change Tibetan to raptor forbless sensitivity

[royal plover]

? The guy we pass by while riding horse?

[spark plover]

yep

[royal plover]

I think he is same guy who give ym vision of voice above bell tower roof

[spark plover]

I remember that guy but the one on tower are young compare to this guy though

They used young monk generic NPC for the tower top guy

[willow cairn]

daily

[spark plover]

I wonder will this game ever gonna make us help took back the north, but IIRC, they never get it back in history

or at least probably the entire mc lifetime.

[royal plover]

Cn ver even not touch it yet,

Its still years in real history, while the game gonna happen around 1 or 2 year maybe

They not gonna touch it.

[spark plover]

sad, all their sacrifice, to get nothing back at all and can only trust future generation to see it through. But by that time, those who involve or care for it the most no longer with us. But that's just reaity.

[iron canyon]

From an interview, the devs revealed that the main timeline would be around 962-980, we can expect this to be included in the future

[remote compass]

Also because ||too many humanoid enemies are just simply not fun||

[royal plover]

Gonna be time jump?

[iron canyon]

The story started from 962, so you can expect those major historical events that will happen throughout the roughtly 20+- years to be implemented

[royal plover]

I mean between that years, which is years have big event?

[iron canyon]

exp: northern campaign, big zhao's death, southern tang's fall (but that doesn't mean ym's story would strictly end here, we can expect more development)

[royal plover]

What years all those 3 event?

[iron canyon]

In a pv, they revealed ||Li Yu burning the book records||, matching the time of Southern Tang's fall (975), Big Zhao passed in 976 (northen campaign is already in progress, but big zhao didn't make it), Zhao Er ascended the throne and in 979, Song managed to conquer northern han, which is also the start of the Liao Song war (Khitans)

[royal plover]

What is ||book record|| and 979 when velvet shade || reverly hall destroy by khitan||

?

[iron canyon]

book records are not really the point here, it was the poem used (Li Yu wrote that after southern tang has fallen, which means the incident is likely to be included), the liao song war lasted for 25 years (979－1125)

[untold vortex]

Is "rats" one of those words that's actually multiple different words in chinese but all get translated as rats, so something gets lost in translation?

I feel like so many things are called rats in this game.

[scarlet yarrow]

what do rainbone flowers represent? creepy azz

[scarlet yarrow]

they're nargacuga rip offs

[iron canyon]

Not sure about your context, but rats can either mean the animal, or sometimes used to refer to those who are at the bottom of the social class what cases are you referring to just to be sure?

[iron canyon]

they represent the ||heads|| that got cut off during the time of chaos

[frail mauve]

You can read from the compendium that they are generated by human fear.

[scarlet yarrow]

damn, so the baby crying plants were slain children?

[lavish meadow]

yeh

[ocean wedge]

[scarlet yarrow]

that's f up.. i thought this is a family friendly game

[iron canyon]

They're portraying what it was like back then at those times, no matter how high/low your position was, everyone is suffering differently, it's the reality of conflicts

[lavish meadow]

the blooms represent the fallen. One sprouted where|| Burlap Sack died||

[maiden rampart]

TT , I don’t even want to know the lore again

[lavish meadow]

ig a little more fkd up tid bit. The crying baby plants can be found all over the cemetery outside of Squarewall Hold 🙂

[foggy tiger]

A baby dies every time u pick one up

[trim falcon]

Wdym?

[royal steppe]

[storm hatch]

Big Zhao gonna die?
Dang.

[royal plover]

Everybody gonna die after all

[distant sage]

thx

[untold vortex]

And what about the rope dart?

[royal plover]

Did rope dart a real weapon from the start?

[ocean wedge]

Hi lore chat

[wicked prawn]

just want to clarify. Isnt this Big zhao's brother?

[royal plover]

Where is the place when zhao pu and big zhao watching opera together, i forgot the place

The indoor one

[cerulean bluff]

it's in Fairgrounds, the first building north of the Hu'Nier shop (if i don't butcher the shopkeeper's name)

[wicked prawn]

okay uhm Im fairly confused with the unnatural omen quest. All I got was our destiny is shaped by a thought. What was teh xanyuan cult doing there? And also whats the inner demon actually?

[royal plover]

What i learn is xanyuan had prophecy that if big zhao become emperor he will bring destruction or something like that.

Then they lure his little zhao to that mountain to brainwash him to kill his brother.

We see something sinister within little zhao. The cult plan failed thanks to ym, but at the end soon later big zhao will dead,

but there theory || little zhao poison big zhao, bc only him at that time near big zhao when he die (this is part of history)||

[wicked prawn]

omg

Can u explain what the inner demon trope is? the darkness inside a person? we have a similar one back in blissful retreat

[royal plover]

Something only happen in chinese lore, that i still dont understand how to explain

[wicked prawn]

aww izoki ty

[vague shoal]

Inner demon can be understood as trauma

PTSD

Inner demons prevent you from learning martial arts and might make a martial artist go crazy during the process of learning, which is called qi deviation

[ornate vortex]

woooow, sounds easonable

[wicked prawn]

whooaa

thats why we conquered the inner demon early so we learn martial arts

[vale orbit]

Can anyone sum up the lore from start to the time where we can make our character?

[wicked prawn]

Im confused about something. It was mentioned I just read from one of the summeries of the jianghu legacy in kaifeng. That emperor shizong signed the anti buddhism edict. I thought that was cai rong that started it. Was shizong after cai rong or...?

[vague shoal]

emperor shizong is chai rong

[wicked prawn]

Residents of harvestfall village are the displaced people from yanyuan right? thats why theyre hopeful for a second campaign

[vague shoal]

We grew up peacefullyin blissful retreat till uncle left for milk

[wicked prawn]

what the helly. okay thanks so many names
so its like an alias too?

[vague shoal]

Emperor have their own title names

Like how big zhao is emperor taizu

Lil Zhao who succeded him is taizong

[wicked prawn]

ooohh is lil zhao, big zhao's younger brother? zhao guanyi I think?

[vague shoal]

Yeah him

[wicked prawn]

Daang. This is so interesting and so convuluted.

and guanyi also has a wanderer name. and he's also called a'yuan.

[vague shoal]

I too cant remember his wanderer name, only know it starts with Jin

[frail mauve]

Jin Zhongyuan. Jin is his prince title, and Zhongyuan means "the Central Plains" in Chinese.

[frail mauve]

16 ago, Jiang Yan was hunted by many ppl in Jianghu, especially those from Auriette Pavilion, for killing his adoptive father Wang Qing and stealing the Zhenguan Jade.

In an abandoned temple, Jiang Yan defeated the Void King. But when he touched something, he fell into illusions. Meanwhile, a strange worm burrowed into the Void King’s eye and revived him. The Void King attacked while Jiang Yan was distracted; his friend Chen Zixi took the blade for him.

Jiang Yan came to his senses and killed the Void King again. The worm flew out to a white-haired man named Li Zuo. Later, Jiang Yan raised you.

Back to now, Jiang Yan disguised himself as a masked man and snatched the jade you always wear.

[north trench]

yow is that wukong

[wicked prawn]

Allu. Are the residents of harvestfall village refugees from the first northern campaign? Or...? Who are they actually?

[frail mauve]

Not exact information on which campaign. Just refugees from the north

They may come from different areas of Yanyun

[wicked prawn]

Yeah I was hoping theres more to it.

[vale orbit]

Yayy thankssss

[wheat canopy]

One question about Hexi
Is the Anxi Army somewhat different from the Tang army? I know the Anxi army is part of Tang and supports the dynasty, but how come people in the main story treated Tang coldly, but also seemed to respect Anxi? (like the bandit who spared burlap sack)

[lavish meadow]

Simply because the Anxi stuck around and didnt abandon the people in their times of need. Meanwhile the army of Tang capital never send them the reinforcement nor tried to retake the region because they're focused on the An Lushan rebellion in the heartlands.

[frail mauve]

At the time when msq happen, hexi is no longer under Anxi Army's protection. Tibetans invaded hexi and killed Tang soldiers.

[wheat canopy]

ooh thank you so much
ah one more thing I'm confused about
How come the oghuz at black water station became enemies? all I heard was that the caravan "lied to the Tang soldiers"

[frail mauve]

oghuz once was Tang's ally, but they also betrayed Tang when Tang was in decline, they want to rule hexi too. Burlap sack thought they were still allies.

Tang troops guarded Blackwater City.
Tibetans tricked them into opening the gate by threatening the caravan to lie to Tang soldiers.
The Oghuz were once Tang allies, so the caravan thought they came to help.
Fearing burlap Sack would expose their lie, that man from caravan tried to kill him.
But in fact the Oghuz also came to take Blackwater City.

[karmic python]

i love this game but the burlap sack is one of the worst quest lines in gaming history. just slowing walking through sand for an hour groveling with cut scenes where I grovel more. the talent points keep me going lol

[spice sphinx]

👋

[foggy tiger]

Lol no. U'll see wukong alright somewhere. But not like that.

[north trench]

like this

[rapid topaz]

[hollow marsh]

[wicked prawn]

Personally the walking made it more immersive. Youre supposed to feel the hardship of people trying to go back to Tang after being cut off when Tibetians took the region. But I get it different tastes.

Loved that quest so much. Love Burlap. 😭

[vague shoal]

I get it’s deliberate but it’s not a good idea to bore people to death with tedious gameplay no matter how good a story is

Story could have been delivered better tbh

[iron canyon]

NMW are represented by rats (not in a bad way) to symbolize their resilience during the chaos, just like how rats are able to live in bad conditions (that's why their martial arts were also named using "rat")

[iron canyon]

Anything can be a weapon to be fair, NMW were grouped by a bunch of folks, so they basically took anything available as a weapon

[royal plover]

Everytime he start walking again.

" ah sht, here we go again"

The caravan say they dont want go to black water bc chaos their, but why they end up at black water after all?

[vague shoal]

bandits caught them again and made them go there

[fierce pumice]

how do u continue the main story?

[iron canyon]

coming soon in liangzhou

[fierce pumice]

oh it is not out yet, tysm.....normally it will said please wait for future contents or something so i thought there are more i can do right now

[wicked prawn]

Yeah I know I get that. Some people prefer gameplay and also dont have a lot of time.

I personally loved it. I didnt feel the tedious walking lmao. I was just immersed I guess. Ive always loved a good narrative.

Could be better if they had a good balance of both so others didnt get bored.

[iron canyon]

considering how hexi hasn't been released fully (since jade gate pass is only the start) ||and the sheer amount of angst||, I'm sure people would find one chapter/story that suit or hit them

[wicked prawn]

Very tru

I just love Burlap man. I cried a few times during the whole thing.

[vague shoal]

I hear people say desert is the worst part of the hexi trilogy and I'm glad that we're getting the next part soon

Game would be cooked if you had to wait 2 months after this desert map like in CN

[celest flume]

yea
ofc its barren cuz its a damn desert lmao

embrace kaifeng again

[vague shoal]

Nah, less bosses, only one campaign

Main story is just sack dude

[celest flume]

theres more bosses on the other 2 regions so idc much about yumen pass rn

[vague shoal]

Snow region you suddenly get 5

[crimson cave]

Everytime i hear the song.....

[royal plover]

Why they not just make real tibetan and turk, cz its real history after all so what happen to them in the game are happen in real story

[nimble pilot]

what is Blackwater City irl

[crimson cave]

Prolly not a good thing since china was accused of committing genocide on tibets and uyghurs not too long ago

[nimble pilot]

😭

[celest flume]

devs r afraid to offend them, thats why they make the raptors which represents the tibets

[carmine ice]

oof wow

[rancid lake]

Amazing

[iron canyon]

the people still exists now, it wouldn't be wise for them to make them in humans for ethicnicity concerns

[royal plover]

Didnt cn already make bunch of movies about old kingdom like this game before

[iron canyon]

Works like these exists, but it's also wise for them to consider those groups that might be playing the game, even though people now know those in the past doesn't mean who they are now, it's good to not take the risk (plus from how the birds are camps that you can farm mats), ethicnicity and religious stuff can be sensitive ones, so they wouldn't like to cause trouble either

[frail mauve]

netease is purely an entertainment company and don't want to cause trouble

[eager pawn]

excepts in our wallets

hahahahahahahahha 😛

[frail mauve]

tbh comments on liangzhou quests are also quite divided, but bosses in liangzhou will be more interesting and hengdao will come out too, so ppl won't feel too bored with that. Qinchuan is the best without any controversy.

In some CN interview, the devs openly admitted that they were a small team back then and lacked the production to perfectly deliver the story in a short time. That's why hexi took 8 months to fully update on CN too. Qinghe&Kaifeng had been polished for years before the game was launched.

[scarlet yarrow]

that's too sad. it would've been sick if it was depicted as realistic warfare. making it fantastical is still entertaining tho

[limber bough]

wanna ask

is hexi the past of liangzhou

that seed story of burlap sack seem to highly suggest that

[iron canyon]

hexi refers to the 3 parts, jade gate pass, liang zhou & qinchuan

[scarlet yarrow]

why is liangzhou snowy doe

[limber bough]

wait so hexi is a big region? cos all i see is just dessert so liangzhou is the unlocked part of hexi?

[scarlet yarrow]

all that and we won't get to see chang'an 💀

[north trench]

chat i heard there is people said in this server: "anti horse horse". referring to mo blade countering horse so they make horse countring mo blade

[frail mauve]

irl, Liangzhou sits at an elevation of 1,500 to over 3,000 meters and is covered in snow year-round.

[iron canyon]

the dessert is called jade gate pass and liangzhou is in ariane_su 's message

[uneven roost]

Is there a lore wiki/docs somewhere? Esp. Regarding mentioned characters that do not have an entry in the journal

[iron canyon]

Sadly the current wikis we have mostly focus on game guides and with very limited lore, your best bet would be referencing in game information like anecdotes & special records under compendium. WWM Girl does good videos & widely recommended here, you might find smth you want from there too

[mystic idol]

Technically yes

if you break it down, hexi means river west, where river refers to the Yellow River, so it was a big portion of the land to the west of the Yellow River

Its current day GanSu province

[iron canyon]

#📖lore-chat message there you go

[scarlet yarrow]

didn't notice. thanks bro

[iron canyon]

||She's the child LiZuo picked up during ZhongDu Bridge War, and the other jade owner (regarding BaiChuYu)|| replying to Soy

[ocean wedge]

[tough halo]

I want classic sects like Wutang, Beggar, Scholar, Mount Hua, etc...

What the hell is Well of Haven, Inkwell?

aren't Shaolin, Emei, Tangmen, Royal Guards, Wanderer's Valley, Ming Teaching, Tianshan, Kunlun way better name and lore?

[mystic idol]

those are just sects from jinyong novels

[tough halo]

and what is wwm from?

[celest flume]

from netease

[celest flume]

da hell u talking about twin

we have beggar sect bro

[tough halo]

don't tell me it's the Raging Tides

[celest flume]

its my sect
silver needle

raging tides is drinking sect
not out yet

[tough halo]

nope, I am not biting it

[celest flume]

did u come here without playing the game

[tough halo]

Beggar is a drinking sect

[celest flume]

gang doesnt know ball

[tough halo]

drunken fist is the martial art of the sect

[mystic idol]

tfw a wuxia game doesnt fit into your stereotype of a wuxia

[tough halo]

and Beggar do not heal, Silver Needle is all about healing

[iron canyon]

although the game is wuxia themed, it doesn't mean it has to be what you're familiar with

[celest flume]

i think u havent actually played the game

[mystic idol]

you prob watched/read a lot of adaptations of works from Jin Yong, which generally all are set in the same “world” that he built

[celest flume]

this is rather tied to chinese history in the late tang and early song dynasty btw

[iron canyon]

all sects has really interesting and deep lore, take your time exploring & get familiar, perhaps you would find one to your liking

[tough halo]

yeah, and I did. His world is popular. WWM should have sects that are familiar by lots of people, not by made up sects

[celest flume]

i was about to turn into a sect hopper, but silver needle held my ankles down just a few days ago

[tough halo]

outside of wwm, nowhere mention Raging Tides, Well of Haven

[mystic idol]

his world is popular doesn’t mean it has to be followed.

Outside of Jin Yong’s work, there’s no mention of beggars sect either

[celest flume]

ive never heard of ts before tho

its not that popular

[mystic idol]

its def well known for anyone who was already into the wuxia genre

[celest flume]

let them defend their own fandom ig

[mystic idol]

cuz jin yong is prob the most successful wuxia author

[tough halo]

He was indeed

[mystic idol]

but thats the same as going to every detective mystery game

and asking why is there no moriarty or sherlock holmes

[tough halo]

you see many other games, they have all those sects

[mystic idol]

it just makes no sense

[iron canyon]

even in the novels, I doubt every single sect are made with rl reference, wwm is game focusing more on blending history and wuxia to begin with

[tough halo]

And not to mention that some of it are real. Wutang, Shaolin

[celest flume]

are they popular
no bc its not an original idea or innovation

[mystic idol]

point out which games have those that aren’t again, an adaptation of jin yong’s works

wutang isnt even a sect 😭

[tough halo]

it's a school, true. But we don't have school in wwm, only sect

[mystic idol]

i mean

wutang is a butchered name anyway lol

it doesnt even exist irl

[tough halo]

Wutang and Shaolin are real man

[mystic idol]

its just a mountain

[celest flume]

lectures 😔 theres education in the game braddar

explains why we have scholar aside from healers

[iron canyon]

locating in a rl location doesn't mean the sect/content is real

[frail mauve]

Jin Yong is not more popular among young Chinese now. That would be boring if wwm make sects like that

it's 2026 now, not1996 or 2006

[scarlet yarrow]

what's popular now?

[frail mauve]

Jin Yong and Gu Long are all out of date.

[iron canyon]

and like you said, many games had it, it would be boring to use the same theme again

[celest flume]

begging for outfits 😍

[celest flume]

devs gotta be creative to increase sales ingame das why

cuz why'd anyone pay to see the same thing they can access somewhere else

nevertheless this game is free

[scarlet yarrow]

is sword and fairy jin yong too?

[tough halo]

I would kill to see those sects you know. They have a clear black/white side

speaking of which, we don't have black/white side war

which is another point that wwm could improve

[frail mauve]

what you say is all old fashion wuxia

that concept is not popular in China now

[iron canyon]

without a clear black&white is exactly what human nature is, you can't say you've never done a mistake before, no one is perfect

[scarlet yarrow]

bro game isn't black and white. kaifeng campaign bosses have their own reasonable motivations. and big zhao and zhao er ain't exactly super good guys either

[vague shoal]

It's 2026 bro, those sects show up in murim manhwa all the time too, need something fresh

[celest flume]

ding ding ding

[tough halo]

true, but it for the sect only. The people in the sect are different story. I could be on a white sect but doing bad things and get punished

it's also in the Jin Yong stories

[mystic idol]

if this game had the things you said no one would care for it

these are tropes done so many times

in story telling

[frail mauve]

A famous director remade a film based on Jin Yong’s novels last year, but it turned out to be a huge box-office flop. It seems young people in China today are simply no longer interested in Jin Yong’s brand of wuxia. WWM can't make money if they design sects like JinYong

[mystic idol]

the world is not black and white

and people nowadays tend not to like stories where things are so black and white either

[tough halo]

you are missing the point entirely. It's the sect, not the disciplines of the sect

[vague shoal]

Wuxia is already a dying genre in china too till wwm bringing it back to life somewhat. Even then this game isnt even 100% traditional wuxia

[celest flume]

then its better to just come up w smth new

[frail mauve]

You're talking about something really out of date in China

[iron canyon]

that's exactly what we're trying to say, traditional wuxia is something already overused + unpopular within the later generations, why would the devs reuse a concept that has been implemented so many times

plus, it's not like wwm doesn't have rl based sects even though they may appear & operate differently

[frail mauve]

in fact, many sects in wwm have more historical accuracy than Jin Yong's

[tough halo]

What sect is real in wwm?

[celest flume]

🛎️🛎️🛎️✅

[frail mauve]

like Mohist, NMW

[vague shoal]

Velvet shade seems to have a lot of history, though I didnt look it up deeply

[frail mauve]

Masked troupe

all based on real history

[iron canyon]

Well of Heaven is one, Masked Troupe, Mohist, Inkbound, Lone Cloud too, even other sects have some reference to history

[frail mauve]

Jin Yong’s works are not ironclad rules that must be followed. That's too old fashioned

it's not 30 years ago now

[vague shoal]

Best advice is just try something new and see if you like it, it's free

[celest flume]

WoH goat
puppies yayayay

[frail mauve]

Games based on Jin Yong’s novels can’t even survive the test server phase in China.

[scarlet yarrow]

is there a sect discord?

[vague shoal]

Even CN novels that use JY materials only use the martial arts, sects is just dead now

[iron canyon]

Even the most popular content would eventually die down one day, new ideas/concepts will be introduced continuously

[bleak tulip]

Facts ✨

[tardy swift]

They will have go do sect wars with lives

Meaning x amount lives persect war

If they want to keep sects realvant at least

[tender abyss]

Hey guys, any fun stuff to do in Kaifeng and Hexi? I just finished the main quest in Qinghe.

[bleak tulip]

Which is the best sect

[iron canyon]

Just continue your journey, each region has their own storyline, you're free to choose your pace

[iron canyon]

each sect exists with their own purpose, each with different ideals, quite a few sects suffered at different degrees during ||the zhongdu bridge war||, it wouldn't make sense for them to war against each other

[vague shoal]

A lot of stuff in kaifeng, not so much in hexi rn

[tender abyss]

OK thankyou

[tender abyss]

must be interesting!

[bleak tulip]

[tender abyss]

Does anyone pay attention to the story in the game while playing?While doing quests, I sometimes get sad because of the NPCs' stories.

[vague shoal]

People who come to this chat would usually pay attention

[scarlet yarrow]

it's sad my mc doesn't get recognized by sect npcs

[tender abyss]

Hey, just wondering—what do people usually talk about here in this chat?

[vague shoal]

Lore

[tender abyss]

I haven't joined any sect yet, just exploring solo.

[frail mauve]

sect is not guild. You can join sect and remain exploring solo.

[distant sage]

awesome

[scarlet yarrow]

what language are the hexi npcs speaking?

[twin blaze]

[jolly forge]

qianye redemption arc will be the life of the party

[north trench]

dessert dialects. Turkic mongolic or something

[frail mauve]

Chinese in northwest dialect

[scarlet yarrow]

how about the sogdians/foreigners

[frail mauve]

All Chinese in CN version

Just in different accent

[scarlet yarrow]

really? i swear they sound different

[north trench]

sogdian is real tribe?

[frail mauve]

that's the difference between accent

[scarlet yarrow]

i see

[frail mauve]

Chinese accents vary greatly from region to region

[north trench]

yeah sogdia is real!!

[frail mauve]

Those sogdians want to make business in Tang territory and ofc they speak Chinese

Some of the hexi npcs speak Changan's dialect and some of them speak northwest dialect.

[north trench]

i mean of course they gonna make most character central plain speak modern standard Chinese. if they use real Chinese from that time and real different dialect and language from that time. it will be sound unintelligible for Chinese player. also that will be cost so must

also big Zhao teaching Kaifeng dialect. and translate that to English they use English southern accent

[frail mauve]

They don't speak modern standard Chinese. I said they speak dialects, which is consistent with the geography location irl

Many southern Chinese players can't fully understand those dialects either.

[north trench]

aren't central plain speak standard mandarin?

i guess i got wrong news

[scarlet yarrow]

yeah.. they're almost the same as persians/iranians. idk why they were ethnically distinct tho

[frail mauve]

modern standard Chinese is based on Beijing dialect, which is on the northeast of central plain

[north trench]

it's indo European language. it east Iranian. so yes it's Iranian language family but it not persian language. so persian is singular language while Iranian is group language

[frail mauve]

And dialects in Kaifeng and Changan are also different.

[north trench]

oh.

well does the game use modern standard Chinese or 10th century standard Chinese? . also in different region do they use modern dialect or historical dialect from that place

[sudden creek]

hello sorry i am not sure where i can ask this but did anyone archive the scroll stories we got from collectively painting pigment by pigment before the hexi patch went up?

[frail mauve]

So are dialects and standard Chinese the same thing for you?

[north trench]

i think i don't understand your questions

[scarlet yarrow]

i think he's asking if the language spoken in the game is modern mandarin or chinese during that time

[north trench]

yes that what i am asking

i search got on Reddit someone say the writing is not like how modern people would write but like Shakespearean Chinese..... ....

...

..

which probably expression how modern English would understand abit archaic English like Shakespearean and compared that to modern Chinese and that type of writing

[scarlet yarrow]

imo seems like they're going for archaic or formal mandarin since no one speaks middle and old chinese anymore. and they're way too different like modern, middle, and old english

[frail mauve]

On CN, much of the text is written in Ancient or Middle Chinese(which also makes it harder to translate). Educated modern Chinese speakers can understand it. As for dubbing, it is definitely done using modern Mandarin pronunciation. However, in different regions, local modern dialects are used instead, so it sounds different.

[fierce pumice]

anyone know how to get xun, flute or drum instrument yet?

[scarlet yarrow]

was the story of ascension as emperor of zhao kuangyin really real? like the soldiers really chose him? or is this another case of "three requests and three refusals?" cos i'm not buying the story

[exotic sentinel]

[woven sigil]

I mean, it's truly impossible for us to say, all we can go by is what was recorded in history which might be propaganda of the era

[foggy tiger]

That's what history documented

History was written by the victors as always

So believe it or not idk

[craggy pilot]

[craggy pilot]

[north trench]

just found out Kaifeng is south of yellow river and qinghe is North of yellow river

[lusty jasper]

[woven sigil]

do note though that the Yellow River changed course massively over the centuries, it's not in the same place now as it was then

[north trench]

oh

because of cannal?

[woven sigil]

silt would build up until it blocked one courseway causing a flood, and then the flood would find a new path and the whole river wind up diverting

[wraith sinew]

These are crazy diversions

[north trench]

https: //youtu.be/FIxA3SJRVI0

chat checked out this wwm lore i think this is the best lore explanation

[wicked prawn]

Guys how did lucky 17 have half of the jade and general ye wanshan have the other half? All I know is that cai rong ordered the jade to be split in half. One half was in karma pagoda. Idk how 17 got the other half

[mellow horizon]

Let me help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIxA3SJRVI0

[north trench]

bro have power to not get censor!!!

[woven sigil]

Miaoshan split the jade not Chai Rong, and it wasn't with 17 technically, it was planted in the eye of the massive dragon statue at Palace of Annals that the Aureates destroy during our fight

[alpine path]

It’s a crazy river

[woven sigil]

basically Miaoshan ensured the jade couldn't be recovered (and thus his secret revealed) unless the Palace of Annals had fallen completely

[north trench]

did lord condor just let that happen even tho he live on that

[wicked prawn]

Ooohhhhh okay okay. He just wants to keep the jade separated so enemies cant access halo peak?

[north trench]

i never see lord condor myself but i go investigated from guy who his entire life hating lord condor story he say it's fake. and he ask us to help him proove that lord condor is fake. then he fall from lord condor nest i hear hawk sounds then he saved. he now see lord condor and believe it

so that lord condor place basically at lucky seventeen place

maybe lord condor not there when aurate attack

[woven sigil]

yeah and Halo Peak contains all the evidence that he was a false Buddhist, and his "miracles" were literally smoke and mirrors

[wicked prawn]

This makea so much sense now thanks!

[mellow horizon]

Glad to see that the Lore-Community is well informed and alive

We have some plans for y'all

[wicked prawn]

Sounds a little... sinister.

[mellow horizon]

lmao

[wicked prawn]

Ive been researching on my own too aside from asking here. Learning ancient chinese history because of the game.

[mellow horizon]

I meant in a great way

Some interesting events and maybe small giveaways (from me)

[wicked prawn]

Exciting! Id jump at anything lore related haha

[north trench]

give away!!!

[mellow horizon]

[desert rose]

how can i activate the prismatic essence event? i tried the time changing to WU hour then log in and out, but still nothing happens

ow never mine. i did it lol

[lost crescent]

it works, i've done it twice, last time I literally had to login/out 50x for it to spawn tho

make sure you keep turning back your clock to wu

[last temple]

Can you use concealed edge scroll on 81 weapons?

[nimble pilot]

What is the current time in game?

[north trench]

962-963

i can't confirm if ir already 963. but the lore is pretty long since the start 962

[nimble pilot]

Song Dynasty right

whats the weapon murong yuan uses

[scarlet yarrow]

whos lord condor? i never saw him but the npc hater became his fan

[waxen shuttle]

seniora

[north trench]

idk too. he became lord condor believer after that

why lord condor doesn't do anything during aureate bombing sword at palace of annal lucky seventeen. i mean lord condor nest is there. i guess he not there at the time

[north trench]

yes

[vague shoal]

It’s not his business

Why should he interfere with human conflicts

Bro’s just a bird

[north trench]

i am just a bird

[north trench]

nuh uh in folk lore he fight enemy for good of people

[vague shoal]

How should he know if aurete is evil lol

[north trench]

anyway what lore of lord condor i forgor. how he become mecha condor

[vague shoal]

He’s an bird

8 heroes of hedong was mainly formed to resist khitan invasion anyway

[north trench]

is one of hedong give the bird mecha

anyway who is 8 of hedong i forgor again

[vague shoal]

Not sure if he was one but a mohist guy made wings for him

Same guy who built the base for li zhenzhen, the lunar goddess

[north trench]

what i know now is palace of annal have 16 top hero

[vague shoal]

The one who taught you lightness flying skill was one of the 8 hedong heroes

Same with sleeping daoist etc

[north trench]

oh are they a organization like palace of annal. or they just doing their own thing but folklore group them as 8 hedong

[vague shoal]

Just a grp of people who gathered to fight agaisnt khitan

[north trench]

ooo

[iron canyon]

That's what it was recorded, people might doubt it, but that's the only evidence we have

[woven sigil]

basically just a hero party that assembled when the Khitan invaded, but ultimately failed to hold them back and all have trauma from the war

[wicked prawn]

Im confused about Ye Wanshan's story. From in game text it said that his wife and child were used as a leverage against him but he didnt surrender. And despits his conviction the Ding nation still fell amd they retreated. And he waited for 13 years before the imperial army came to help and march north.

Im struggling where to place him in history. He's active during later zhou because he was part of the northern campaign right? But where exactly was he? Where is Ding nation that he was defending and where did he live for 13 years?

[iron canyon]

The fall of Ding Nation (a military region of the central plains to defend from northern invaders) was around 946, that time, YeWanshan thought if he could defend the folks of the region with the price of his family, he's willing to do so, but reality was cruel. His own strength was limited, not to mention recovering the lost lands, so after losing almost everything, he brought the remaining soldiers and lived in seclusion until Chai Rong began leading the northern campaign. He joined it obviously(959), but Chai Rong fell ill halfway & passed shortly after, the campaign came to a halt. Throughout those 13 years of his recurring trauma (his family, the folks he wanted to protect), the northern campaign became an unhealthy obsession for him, that's why he decided to massacre the folks as a way to force the northern campaign to continue.

[wicked prawn]

Got it thanks so much!

Btw is it Chai Rong or Cai Rong? Im seeing either one in a lot of stuff im reading. Game itself spells it as Chai Rong lmao

[woven sigil]

yeah Ding Nation is a bad translation, it's Ding Prefecture or Dingzhou which is right on the border of the sixteen prefectures the Khitan control

[wicked prawn]

I figured! I went to research if Ding nation is a real place and only found Dingzhou and I thought must be mistranslation. Cuz it also makes sense the recovered 3 perfectures were close to Dingzhou.

[woven sigil]

and it's Chai Rong yeah

[iron canyon]

Chai Rong would be more accurate, but sometimes the game would tweak the english version

[wicked prawn]

Oke oke ty ty.

[cedar basalt]

A cn player told me that ruby is still alive. Is it true?

[scenic obsidian]

No evidence supports that

[scenic obsidian]

Supposed to be Guo Rong.

Chai Rong was adopted by his uncle in law Guo Wei, so he changed his family to Guo.

For most of his life he was known as Guo Rong

[cedar basalt]

He specifically said a bug controlled her. Or was he making a fool out of me

[nimble pilot]

Murong Yuan's sword is the changdao right?

[scenic obsidian]

So when the time he funded the order of hanging blades, his name was Guo Rong.

[iron canyon]

You're pretty much getting scammed here, there's a lot of AI videos up there that looks real, he might have mistaken it too

[scenic obsidian]

From its shape it’s a Zhanma Dao

斩马刀

[nimble pilot]

zhanmadao is straight tho right? changdao is curved

murong yuan’s sword seems more curved

[scenic obsidian]

Nah, Zhanma Dao in Song Dynasty have curved

[nimble pilot]

ah i see

[scenic obsidian]

The straight version is from Tang Dynasty

[nimble pilot]

mmmmm i see

easy mistake then, given the setting lmao

zhanmadao seems unlikely tho given murong yuan’s position

cause zhanmadao was mainly a sword designed to cut down horse legs right?

[tulip swift]

yep

[scenic obsidian]

It’s more like a metaphor, means this thing can slash the horse and soldier in one chop.

[nimble pilot]

mmmmmm

[scenic obsidian]

It can use to do a lot of things

[nimble pilot]

changdao and zhanmadao are pretty similar tho huh

the handle and handle-blade ratio seems a bit short for zhanmadao

[scenic obsidian]

Changdao is like category name

[nimble pilot]

i see

[scenic obsidian]

Like Moblade is also Changdao

[nimble pilot]

good point

[scenic obsidian]

So Chang Dao means nothing here.

[nimble pilot]

thats only later tho wasnt it? changdao has a more specific meaning during Tang Dynasty?

[scenic obsidian]

This is very close to what Rong Yuan used

[nimble pilot]

i see

[scenic obsidian]

Nah, Chang Dao can also describe many different blades in Tang Dynasty.

Cause Chang Dao just means Long Blade

[iron canyon]

changdao basically means long blade

[scenic obsidian]

And a dao with long handle and a dao with long blade parts can both referring as Chang Dao

[nimble pilot]

sometimes i forget im actually chinese and i can actually read this sometimes

[scenic obsidian]

These are all long blades

[iron canyon]

languages can be fighting sometimes

[nimble pilot]

whenever i play where winds meet, despite the fact i literally play it because i love chinese culture, i forget i actually speak chinese and im like

[scenic obsidian]

Dao just basically means the primary function of this weapon is chopping.

[nimble pilot]

what does this mean, what does this mean. oh wait right im chinese i actually know what this means

[scenic obsidian]

And that’s it

It can be any shape

[nimble pilot]

i feel xqc forgetting hes french

[scenic obsidian]

Basically the O-Katana from Japan and Zhanma Dao in Song Dynasty are pretty much the same thing.

The reason of that is China already importing large amounts of blade blank and bare blade from Japan at that time

Then they assemble it with guard, pommel and chape into a weapon

There was a famous poet from Song Dynasty made a poetry about it.

《日本刀歌》
（宋）欧阳修

昆夷道远不复通，世传切玉谁能穷。
宝刀近出日本国，越贾得之沧海东。
鱼皮装贴香木鞘，黄白间杂鍮与铜。
百金传入好事手，佩服可以禳妖凶。

传闻其国居大海，土壤沃饶风俗好。
其先徐福诈秦民，采药淹留丱童老。
百工五种与之居，至今器用精绝巧。

前朝贡献屡往来，士人往往工词藻。
徐福行时书未焚，逸书百篇今尚存。
令严不许传中国，举世无人识古文。

先王大典藏夷貊，苍波浩荡无通津。
令人感激坐流涕，锈涩短刀何足云。

“Song of the Japanese Sword”
by Ouyang Xiu

Kunyi lies far away, its routes long since closed;
Who can fully fathom the famed jade-cleaving blade?
This precious sword has lately come from the land of Japan;
A Yue merchant obtained it across the eastern sea.
Its scabbard is faced with fish skin over fragrant wood,
With fittings of brass and copper mottled yellow and white.
Passed on for a hundred pieces of gold into collectors’ hands,
Worn at the belt, it is said to ward off demons and ill.

I hear that country lies amid the great ocean,
Its soil rich and its customs admirable.
They say Xu Fu once deceived Qin’s people,
Seeking elixirs and lingering there with youths and elders.
Five crafts and a hundred trades settled with him;
To this day their implements are exquisitely wrought.

In earlier dynasties tribute often came and went,
And their men of letters were skilled in ornate verse.
When Xu Fu departed, the books were not yet burned;
Hundreds of lost texts are said still to survive there.
Strict laws forbid their transmission to China;
No one in the world can read their ancient script.

The great canons of the former kings lie hidden among distant peoples;
Vast blue waves bar the passage between us.
Moved with emotion, I sit and shed tears—
What need is there to speak of a short, rusted blade?

[woven sigil]

nah there's a lot going on there, one of the books describes a young Chai Rong still traveling as a merchant meeting Wei Renpu as a beggar, so they basically set up that the Hanging Blade was only the culmination of their plan from long before he was Guo Rong

[scenic obsidian]

Nah, he was adopted by Guo Wei when he was 6 years old, he didn’t change his name back to Chai Rong until he became the emperor at 30 years old.

He fund the Order of Hanging Blades way earlier before he became the emperor.

[woven sigil]

yeah they started the Hanging Blade in 948, but he met Wei Renpu even earlier than that

[scenic obsidian]

So, at that time his name was still Guo Rong, cause the history book record he changed his name back to Chai Rong at year 951 AD

[woven sigil]

he's going by Chai when they meet

[scenic obsidian]

I am feeling like it’s because the history book were written by historians from Song Dynasty, they changed it to deny Chai Rong is the rightful successor of Guo Wei.

From the rule of ancient Chinese history, you can’t hold two family names if your step-father is still alive.

[woven sigil]

I do think the game narrative wants to separate the two since they kinda idolize Chai Rong, but also they're setting up him having basically decades of plans before he became emperor

[scenic obsidian]

I am feeling like the game script just made a mistake.

And that happens

Because changing your family name in ancient China is a big deal.

In traditional China, changing your family/ surname was a very big deal because a surname represented your family line, ancestors, and social identity—not just your name.

There’s a famous insult in Chinese history: “the slave of three surnames.”
It refers to the warlord Lü Bu from the late Han dynasty (3rd century CE).

Lü Bu was an exceptionally talented general but also notorious for disloyalty.
He first served the frontier commander Ding Yuan, who treated him like a son.
Later, he betrayed and killed Ding Yuan to join the powerful warlord Dong Zhuo—and even accepted him as a father figure.
Not long after, Lü Bu again betrayed and killed Dong Zhuo as well.

Because he repeatedly betrayed those he owed loyalty to, later writers mocked him as “the slave of three surnames.”

[royal plover]

I found another painting wall in kaifeng like we saw in qinghe before we enter hexi. Is this any relation to hexi?

[scenic obsidian]

I don’t want to spoiler anything. The answer is yes.

[royal plover]

Ok thank

[scenic obsidian]

|| In modern terms, Qinghe refers to today’s Qinghe County in Hebei Province on the North China Plain; Kaifeng is the modern city of Kaifeng in Henan Province; Jade Gate Pass lies near Dunhuang in western Gansu; Liangzhou corresponds roughly to today’s Wuwei in Gansu’s Hexi Corridor; and Qinchuan refers to the Guanzhong Plain centered on modern Xi’an in Shaanxi. The regional terms Hebei, Hedong, Hexi, and Henan all refer to locations relative to the Yellow River: Hebei means “north of the Yellow River,” Henan means “south of the Yellow River,” Hedong means “east of the Yellow River” (especially the Shanxi region), and Hexi means “west of the Yellow River,” often referring to the Gansu corridor in historical usage. ||

[iron canyon]

Was thinking the same, plus that time Guo Wei is alive, and the initiative to establish Hanging Blade was Chai Rong's plan, I think the records used his original surname intentionally over here

[scenic obsidian]

Or maybe just lazy writing

Because in all history book written by Song Dynasty they call him Chai Rong

Another reason Song-dynasty historians often called Guo Rong by his original surname, Chai Rong, was political. It helped legitimize Emperor Zhao Kuangyin(Big Zhao)’s rise to power. By emphasizing that Chai Rong had been adopted into Guo Wei’s family rather than born into it, Song historians could subtly suggest that his claim to succession was weaker under traditional norms. This framing made Zhao Kuangyin(Big Zhao)’s takeover appear less like outright usurpation and more like a transfer of power after an already ambiguous succession.

[woven sigil]

I mean the game is kinda taking the reverse tack, Guo Wei is treated as not a great emperor while Chai Rong is promoted to basically the hero who would have united China if not poisoned

[scenic obsidian]

I am feeling like they just trying to simplify the actual history to make it less complicated to understand

Guo Wei is actually one of the best emperors prior tho the Song Dynasty.

[woven sigil]

I mean stuff like Hanging Blade is obviously not historical lol

And they do very much play up Big Zhao as the reluctant emperor who just wants to help people, moreso than the Song histories even

[scenic obsidian]

Yep, but you still have to follow the basis historical rule, like you can’t call Hilary Rodham as Hilary Clinton before she married with Bill Clinton.

Guo Wei is considered one of the best rulers of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms era because he restored stability after chaos, governed with restraint, reformed taxation and administration, avoided unnecessary wars, and ruled with unusual personal discipline. His modest burial further reinforced his reputation as a pragmatic and humane ruler.

In his final instructions:
“If I do not recover from this illness, you must immediately begin preparing the imperial mausoleum and must not delay by keeping me long in the palace. All arrangements for the tomb must be carried out with strict frugality. Any laborers and craftsmen required for the mausoleum should be hired peacefully and paid wages, regardless of distance; under no circumstances are the common people to be conscripted.

The burial chamber does not need stone pillars or any waste of manpower; use bricks instead. Bury me in a tile coffin and paper garments.

When the coffin is about to be placed in the tomb, summon thirty nearby tax-paying households to serve as tomb custodians. Before sealing the tomb, open the tile coffin so they may fully inspect the interior; absolutely no harm must come to anyone.

Do not construct an underground palace. Do not assign palace attendants to guard the tomb. Do not erect stone human or animal statues—only set up a single stone stele recording this:

‘The Son of Heaven of Great Zhou, at the time of his passing, made this agreement with his successor: because he lived a life of simplicity, he ordered that he be buried in a tile coffin and paper garments. If these words are violated, his spirit will not offer protection.’”

I was crying basically reading about this.

After almost 1000 years Guo Wei’s Graveyard is still located at its original location without much damaged.

Which is crazy because this place is over 1300 years old now.

[lavish meadow]

wow they stayed true to his wishes because they didn't even overhaul the surrounding and paved it. It's still a burial mound

[hidden kelp]

grave robber be like "there's nothing to steal"

[iron canyon]

People definitely paid respect to him to be able to remain untouched for so long🫡

[scenic obsidian]

The British Colonizer: I thought every great ruler wants to build a pyramid.

[scarlet yarrow]

why does mo dao look like a halberd here when it looked like a greatsword historically?

[ocean wedge]

@glossy grail pinggggggg

[scenic obsidian]

Because modao is a type sword has a lot of controversies in Chinese history.

The word modao didn’t really became a mainstream concept until Ming Dynasty.

And often mixed with two other words such as Zhao Dan and Po Dao.

棹刀，朴刀

So the weaponry historians don’t have a conclusive definition on the shape of a Mo Dao(Moblade)

This is Zhao Dao

[scarlet yarrow]

i see. thanks bro

[scenic obsidian]

This is Po Dao

[misty elk]

slash slash

[scenic obsidian]

Like I said, the word Dao in Chinese just simply means this weapon’s primary function is chopping or slashing .

The reason why there are such of controversy on Mo Blade was partially caused by the weapon banned in Song-Dynasty, which civilian were prohibited to own polearms or long-handled weapons.

However, people were pretty smart, they dissembled the weapon into a long staff and a short digger or short blade.

When they need to use it, they assemble them together into its complete form, then dissemble them again once they done using.

[mystic idol]

i was curious about this, the spear we use in the game (how it kind of folds), did that exist in song dynasty era? or is it more of a modern take on the weapon

or tang dynasty

cuz i also saw it in 唐朝诡计录

[scenic obsidian]

It’s more like a 马槊

It‘s ok to call it 枪（Spear）becaue the primary function is still puncturing

[scenic obsidian]

The folding is Bull*hit

The traditional spear staff are made out of wood, it can’t fold like that.

[mystic idol]

ahh okayokay, thank you for explaining~

[scenic obsidian]

However, the traditional ash wood staff has very good elasticity. So they maybe able to bend it into a U-shape then put it into a bag.

[north trench]

chat who is wei that send letter to jiang wulang to save tian Ying

what his relation with chai rong?

[scenic obsidian]

Several guesses, Wei Renpu, the grand chancellor of Late Zhou

Guo Chong Wei, the Director of the Secretariat of Song

Zhao Ting Mei，Prince of Wei of Song, younger brother of Big Zhao and Second Zhao

Or the fictional wife of Zhao Pu, the grand chancellor of Song, Wei Zi Xi

[wicked prawn]

Does any of these Wei's have ties to the Inkbound order?

[iron canyon]

iirc, zhao pu's wife was a real person right, but only her surname was recorded (so the game had quite the freedom in her character), zhao chengzong also exists too

[iron canyon]

WeiRenPu would be the one, he got to know Tian Ying through Feng Dao

[wicked prawn]

Yeah Im inclined to think its that Wei that sent uncle jiang to save tian ying. Cuz master wei knows them both. I could be wrong tho.

[bleak tulip]

DAMN

[vague shoal]

It was wei renpu

[nova wren]

Canonically, is Nameless sword the strongest martial arts?

[honest rain]

Not really🤔
It is unique and recognizable, but the game holds off on calling any martial arts strongest. The point is, anything can be strong in right hands

[nova wren]

How tight were the hands supposed to be?

[honest rain]

😭😭😭

[honest rain]

I was meant to say right hands

[nova wren]

How R and T be, sitting next to each other waiting for you to make that one mistake:

Appreciate your answer tho big dawg

[fiery brook]

[slim fable]

wdym?

[scarlet yarrow]

is the bandit leader in burlap sack a former tang soldier?

[gray marsh]

we are guiild looking for war challange just for fun and pratice any guild leader here ? 😄

[honest rain]

This is for lore duscussion, try #looking-for-group or #💬martial-pavilion

[compact pagoda]

Can anyone explain the coin crisis thing in chapter 2 in kaifeng

[vague shoal]

A conspiracy by southern tang to delay song's invasion

[scenic obsidian]

Here is the plot

||The “Tang Coin Case” in Kaifeng roughly unfolded as follows. The story takes place shortly after China had just come out of nearly a century of political fragmentation and warfare. Kaifeng, serving as the capital, had been repeatedly sacked by five successive regimes as well as northern steppe groups, leaving its population impoverished and the local economy severely weakened.

At that time, the Song dynasty had only recently consolidated its rule in the region and had not yet unified China. Determined to press its advantage and subdue the Southern Tang regime in the south, the Song emperor planned a military campaign. However, such a campaign required steady funding—soldiers could not be sent to war without pay—so the government needed to raise taxes in already-depleted Kaifeng.

Complicating matters was the monetary system. The Song government issued copper coinage, while the Southern Tang used iron coins. Because copper was significantly more valuable than iron, the Southern Tang effectively generated inflation by massively minting iron currency, and through trade shifted much of this monetary pressure onto Kaifeng and other Northern Song–controlled regions.

As a result, the Song authorities faced a fiscal squeeze: they could not collect enough copper coin to meet military payroll needs, while iron coins were not recognized as legal tender in Kaifeng.||

[honest rain]

• Song just got here
• Economy was already in hell for various reasons, it didn't get better with change of "hands"
• Song is trying to find a way to fix it
• Everyonr is trying to make sure they don't get slapped by Song
• ||Aureate Pavilion|| (lord Shi and co) and gongzis (Shimmer of South and Ember of East) start mingling, messing with economy and public
• Prefect Zhao is trying to handle it, but he doesn't have much experience

= all this adds up to trouble

[scenic obsidian]

||The government therefore faced a dilemma: if it refrained from taxation, the treasury would remain empty and the campaign could not proceed; but if it imposed heavier taxes, the already struggling population would be pushed even closer to destitution.||

[scenic obsidian]

Perfect Zhao LMAO

[honest rain]

Let's be real, Guangyi can be however skilled, but he couldn't handle all'at

"Prefect" not "perfect" 😭

[scenic obsidian]

[honest rain]

I know what I wrote, your eyes are biased

[unkempt owl]

where channel for help with issues?

[honest rain]

#1440984503978954897 or #1439158877705736315

[north trench]

wow many estimates. many people name wei

[scenic obsidian]

No clear evidence

[vague shoal]

He was one of the hanging blade members too

Who else could it be lol

The guy also knew tian ying

[scenic obsidian]

Just speculation, Wei Ren Pu is way too old now.

[vague shoal]

It happened in the past before current events

But oh well, it's obvious enough but to each their own

[scenic obsidian]

No evidence she knows any martial arts.

[honest rain]

Do her lost chapter, she does know martial arts

[scenic obsidian]

So it should be fictional based on real person.

[honest rain]

Irl, probably not, but devs took many creative liberties while writing her

[honest rain]

Yeah, as everything in the game, nobody got inserted into the game story without some additions

[scenic obsidian]

Shen Yi Lun: I am just a fifty year old grandpa enjoying his life.

Dev Team: Do you like fungus?

Shen Yi Lun: For food correct?

Dev Team: Kinda, it both goes inside you.

[honest rain]

He was minister of grain... wheat+fungus=bread......

[honest rain]

DAYMN

[fickle bolt]

Heya, sorry, I started doing Hexi story yesterday, and I tried searching for the background, I think I have general understanding, but need to clarify one thing - the people in Hexi are NOT Chinese, right? They are not Han, but rather Xiongnu, or Turk? And that's why the caravan left the Burlap Sack man, because he was the only Chinese there, an enemy?

[scenic obsidian]

It’s China

Let me explain to you

[scenic obsidian]

|| In modern terms, Qinghe refers to today’s Qinghe County in Hebei Province on the North China Plain; Kaifeng is the modern city of Kaifeng in Henan Province; Jade Gate Pass lies near Dunhuang in western Gansu; Liangzhou corresponds roughly to today’s Wuwei in Gansu’s Hexi Corridor; and Qinchuan refers to the Guanzhong Plain centered on modern Xi’an in Shaanxi. The regional terms Hebei, Hedong, Hexi, and Henan all refer to locations relative to the Yellow River: Hebei means “north of the Yellow River,” Henan means “south of the Yellow River,” Hedong means “east of the Yellow River” (especially the Shanxi region), and Hexi means “west of the Yellow River,” often referring to the Gansu corridor in historical usage. ||

[fickle bolt]

I understand, but it's shortly after Han dynasty conquered western China, no? So people living there are of different origin and hate Han people?

[scenic obsidian]

You skipped too long

There is Tang dynasty here

It captures Hexi for most of time.

[scenic obsidian]

It’s a complicated story.

[fickle bolt]

I know the general geography of the place, I do not understand why they didn't like Burlap Sack when they discovered he's Han

[fickle bolt]

So why do they refer to Burlap Sack as Han? I thought Tang carried on Han dynasty, so they called themselves Han anyway

And Han was how Chinese generally called themselves back then, because they loved Han for expanding China, etc

[crimson birch]

how you feel writing this

[scenic obsidian]

Quite a few Han Chinese there were exiles sent to the region, so some of them also resented other Han Chinese.

[fickle bolt]

I see, so they thought Burlap Sack man was an exile?

[vague shoal]

The Bod chen po was attacking Tang, so exposing yourself as a han there is dangerous

[scenic obsidian]

He thought he is friend, but that guys doesn’t think so.

[vague shoal]

Tang dynasty was greatl weakened because of the an lushan rebellion so bod chen po, tibet empire took the chance to attack the silk road

[fickle bolt]

Ummm... That's equivalent of Tibetans, right? Or something else?

[scenic obsidian]

Burlap doesn’t know that dude’s status.

[scenic obsidian]

Ancestors of Tibetans

[fickle bolt]

Yes, it's just easier to understand for me that way

[vague shoal]

Yeah, they wereone of tang dynasty's rivals

[fickle bolt]

I see... So they left Burlap Sack man because it was dangerous to travel with a Han?

[scenic obsidian]

After the An Lushan Rebellion, the Tang dynasty underwent a profound transformation, and the Hexi (Gansu Corridor) region was deeply affected. The rebellion devastated the empire’s fiscal base, depopulated the north, and forced the court to rely heavily on autonomous regional commanders (jiedushi), weakening central authority. As Tang military resources were redirected to internal recovery and defense of the heartland, control over the northwest deteriorated: Tibetan forces of the Tibetan Empire seized much of Hexi and cut off overland communications with the Western Regions, isolating Tang garrisons in places such as Anxi for decades. Economically, the disruption of Silk Road trade reduced revenue and accelerated the decline of state institutions in frontier zones. Socially, prolonged warfare, displacement, and the settlement of mixed populations reshaped the ethnic and political landscape of Hexi, turning it from a firmly administered imperial corridor into a contested frontier where Tang influence survived only intermittently and often symbolically.

So I don’t think the dude threat burlap is Tibetan, he doesn't dress like one at all. Tibetan have special model in game.

[scenic obsidian]

It’s more because he was a solider.

The enemy army can accuse the team they are hiding a war prisoner from them.

[vague shoal]

The kid had to hide his identity as a Han too

[fickle bolt]

I see, so they were all Han, but it was more because he was military

[vague shoal]

It's not just burlap sack

[reef spade]

I'm having trouble logging in with my Steam account, could someone help me? :cccc

[fickle bolt]

Thank you, I really love how history ties with the game's story

[scenic obsidian]

I was eating a truffle pizza and that’s it.

[fickle bolt]

Very important for me to understand it fully, thank you

[vague shoal]

Devs are looking into it

[vague shoal]

While hexi is a dream, the context is based on real history

[scenic obsidian]

You are welcome, this chapter is very bad in terms of script organization.

[fickle bolt]

Yeah, I know, I love the game for it tbh, I try to learn Chinese history to understand game's background as a result

[scarlet yarrow]

why are these mfs and oghuz people not animals?

[buoyant shell]

is the login issue fixed?

[vague shoal]

Cause it's from the view point of burlap sack

[crimson birch]

sure my guy
tho you know ball gng

[scenic obsidian]

||Because the Hexi chapter is set in western China during the middle to late Tang dynasty, the Tang’s main adversaries in the west at that time were the Tibetan Empire and the Western Turks. The Tibetans are regarded as the ancestors of modern Tibetans, while the Western Turks are considered the ancestors of the Uyghurs. In contemporary China, both groups are highly sensitive subjects: discussion about them—especially depictions involving armed forces—is heavily restricted. Such portrayals are seen domestically as likely to amplify memories of past conflicts between Han Chinese and these groups, potentially fostering ethnic tension and undermining unity.||

[vague shoal]

Devs are looking into it, idk if it;s fixed

[fickle bolt]

Thank you

It's very interesting

[scenic obsidian]

So this game all the sudden turns into Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them in chapter of Hexi

[vague shoal]

Devs still lowkey calling them vultures though lol

[fickle bolt]

One last question, sorry, where were Anxi forces stationed? Was it in the Jade Gate (Yumen) pass, or further inland?

[honest rain]

You have to act like archeologist to uncover and piece together the full Hexi story

"Immersive gameplay" type shi

[fickle bolt]

Waiiiiit

Is that why we're fighting raptors, etc in Hexi?

They're hidden Tibetans/Turks?

[scenic obsidian]

Yep

[fickle bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[crimson birch]

guess this is their way to semi 'censoring' things

[scenic obsidian]

We don't know the exact timeline of Hexi, so it could be both Tibetan/Turks.

[fickle bolt]

I thought it's just infusing some fantasy because of dream world

[scenic obsidian]

I am a Chinese history major in college

[fickle bolt]

That changes a lot, damn

[scenic obsidian]

It took me long period of time to puzzle all of the historical pieces together

I think the utuk raptors are Turks

Because if we take away the U

[scarlet yarrow]

truly a strand type game

[scenic obsidian]

Tuk means war flag or war totem in Ancient Turkish Language

And the flag looks like this

[fickle bolt]

That's crazy

[fickle bolt]

I see

Wow, that's really cool find

Thank you for sharing your knowledge

This is really interesting

[scenic obsidian]

The most mind blowing part might the ancestors of Turkish, Mongolian, Tibetan and Huns were all from the same region in China

Hexi

All of them escaped China and starts to crush everyone between China and Europe

[fickle bolt]

So Hexi is all other nations' "homeland"?

[scenic obsidian]

Yep

[fickle bolt]

And they are where they are today because of Han dynasty's conquests?

[scenic obsidian]

Don’t fool by the desert situation here

Is because of over farming and climate change

it was a beautiful grass field here in Han Dynasty

You see a lot of broken boats here. Those are all old riverbed

[fickle bolt]

Were Turks, Mongolians, Tibetans etc one people before Han conquests, then?

[scenic obsidian]

Huns are the OG

Follow by Turks

Then Khitans

Then Jurchens(Jin)

Then Mongols

Northwestern China almost feels like the default spawn point in a game for powerful horse-riding peoples.

[fickle bolt]

I've read that that is why Han conquered Hexi, for the warhorses?

[scenic obsidian]

For vainglory mostly

Cause Han Wudi 汉武帝 is both a great ruler and a warmonger

[fickle bolt]

So warhorses were an excuse

[scenic obsidian]

His famous quote: “Those who offend the mighty Han will be punished, no matter how far away they are.”

[distant sage]

nice

[scenic obsidian]

One reason Han Chinese call themselves “Han” is that the story of the Han dynasty is deeply inspiring. Its founder, Emperor Gaozu Liu Bang, rose from humble origins and, after an unremarkable early life, defeated formidable rivals—including perhaps the greatest military commander in Chinese history—to found a dynasty. The Han story also runs from early, painful defeats against the Xiongnu（Huns）, through decades of restraint and rebuilding, to eventual victory under Emperor Wu（Han Wudi）, when the Han became the dominant power in the region. Together, these narratives highlight the resilience of a people.

[fickle bolt]

I understand, thank you

Were Chinese happy about Song becoming the new, ruling dynasty, since they overtook Tang, who, if I understand correctly, were loved by the Chinese?

[scenic obsidian]

At the moment of the story yes.

But not so much after that.

[fickle bolt]

Why so? And how was it possible for Song to defeat the Tang?

[scenic obsidian]

No, Song became a snowball rolling down hill after the first four emperors.

[fickle bolt]

I don't understand why people wanted Song to win, if Tang rule was good?

[scenic obsidian]

They got crushed by Khitans, Jurchens and Mongols and even lost of all their land in Hebei, Henan, Hexi and forced to go south.

The Song Dynasty was divided into North Song Dynasty and South Song Dynasty. The last emperor of the North Song were literally captured by the Jurchens.

That was a huge shame.

[fickle bolt]

Song or Tang were crushed, sorry?

[scarlet yarrow]

i feel like there's still lwk seethe that tibet and turks kicked their ancestor azz

[scenic obsidian]

Tang was already doomed for over 100 years by the time of Song Dynasgy began.

There were five regimes and ten kingdoms between the doom of Tang and Begin of Song

It was far more chaotic than Japan’s Sengoku era.

And Chinese population down by 70%

So pretty much no one was remembering what happened in Tang Dynasty.

[scenic obsidian]

Song got crushed after Big Zhao, Small Zhao and two more emperors.

Song is more like a joke in some modern Chinese people’s eye.

Compares to Tang, Han, Ming

These are tier one dynasties.

Song is probably bottom teir two

[fickle bolt]

Yeah, these ones you always hear of in media

[scenic obsidian]

Cause you have Yuan(Mongols) and Qing(Jurchens) before them in terms of total area of lands.

[fickle bolt]

So who was Big Zhao fighting in the newest trailer, where he is young? An Lushan rebelion?

No, sorry

[scenic obsidian]

Nah, he wasn’t born yet

[fickle bolt]

An Lushan was far before

I mixed up the terms, I meant the ten kingdoms

[scenic obsidian]

It’s Han Wei, unrelated to Han Dynasty. His is the son of one of major opposition figures in the process of Big Zhao’s coupe.

Big Zhao purged his entire family

We don’t know the reason

And I think he was using some sort of magic to let us see the version of Big Zhao in Han Wei’s perspective.

[fickle bolt]

Based on what you mentioned before, I thought he was fighting the jiedushi forces

[scenic obsidian]

Not really.

[fickle bolt]

But I suppose this is unrelated and just game stuff, then?

[scenic obsidian]

Jiedu Shi were pretty much purged 10 years before Big Zhao became the emperor.

[scenic obsidian]

Probably

We don’t know the whole story yet

[fickle bolt]

Oh, I thought the trailer was overall before he became an emperor, basically his rise to power story

[scenic obsidian]

It’s a symbolic battle.

Means Big Zhao beat many contenders to become the last one standing.

So this is the map of Han Dynasty

This is the map of Tang Dynasty

This is the map of Ming Dynasty

This is the map of Northern Song Dynasty

This is the south

[fickle bolt]

Oh, wow

[scenic obsidian]

Song looks like a joke compared to these tier one dynasties

[fickle bolt]

Am I seeing correctly, that Song basically lost Hexi? Basically whole Gansu province?

[scenic obsidian]

Yep

The are the only don’t have any access to the Silk Road

[fickle bolt]

Damn

Must have cost them a bit too

[scenic obsidian]

More than a bit. They have two emperors were captured by the enemies.

[fickle bolt]

During the game timeline, is Hexi still theirs, or is it already lost?

I mean, current time, 960+, not Hexi expansion

[scenic obsidian]

Lost

[fickle bolt]

I see

[scenic obsidian]

The Hexi Chapter is somewhere between 640 AD to 808 AD

Don't have the exact time stamps

[fickle bolt]

Thank you, I really need to read up on the Chinese history, it's very interesting

[sinful compass]

[valid sedge]

(￣ヘ￣）ᵁᴹᴹᴹ wat is dis?

[scenic obsidian]

The war totem of Western Turks

[north trench]

i just play well spring of hope. zad

[fickle bolt]

He mentioned it's a symbol of a war flag of Turkish forces, which resembles Utuk Raptors that could be Turks under censorship in the game

[north trench]

and it based on real story. karez system

[scenic obsidian]

Modern Turkish vocab for war flag is tug

Means banner

[north trench]

go turk

chat i don't think this game will have happy ending

it based on real life and real life not usually happy

yanyun will not be gained back to han people until 400 year from the game time

[scenic obsidian]

And I still don’t know how the MC gonna defeat Genghis Khan

He is technically the final boss between us and Yanyun

[north trench]

@scenic obsidian i heard liao dynasty is also a Chinese emperor mandates of heaven. and some countries today still call china khitan(and variation of it). what do you think of khitan being a Chinese emperor what do people of china think of khitan being Chinese emperor do they denying it saying they're not actual mandate of heaven?

[north trench]

unless mc is immortal we not gonna meet him. it 200 year for game time

[north trench]

blud kill so much that carbon emissions is reduce

[scenic obsidian]

So the modern Chinese historian doesn’t consider Liao a an orthodox Chinese dynasty, but they do admit they are a legal regime in China. Which for a long period of time we call them 北朝（North Dynasty）and the dynasty established by Han Chinese and other ethical groups converted into Han Chinese as 南朝（South Dynasty）

So it can be two regime at a period of time both legally represent China but only one of them consider as orthodox Chinese dynasty.

Kinda similar to Roman Empire in its last days

So one tribe of Turks named Shatuo were converted into Han Chinese established the late Tang and Jin dynasty during era of five regimes and ten kingdoms between Tang Dynasty and Song Dynasty.

The Chinese historians treat these two dynasties as orthodox dynasties as well even they weren’t established by mainstream Han Chinese.

[north trench]

thanks for information

[north trench]

is Qing and Yuan Orthodox dynasty or not?

[scenic obsidian]

They are

Mostly because they conquered enough land to declare themselves rightful rulers of China

[north trench]

is liao dynasty the only dynasty that are unorthodox dynasty?

[scenic obsidian]

NO

There are many

The Jin(金朝）Dynasty were also consider unorthodox

At least 11 dynasties in Chinese history are considered as unorthodox.

Come on, we have 3800 years of recorded history. We can’t have 38 orthodox dynasties.

[hidden kelp]

Non-Han keeps conquering China and then decides to self-assimilation 💀

[scenic obsidian]

Nobody wants to stay in the north outside of the Great Wall, It’s too cold.

So once they conquered China , the horse-riding, Han beating, Warrior slaying northern cavaliers became couch potatoes.

[vapid haven]

I want to believe this

[distant sage]

awesome

[clever trout]

Guys when the zheng household got attacked was it by khitans or shens were involved in it?

[quartz saddle]

@scenic obsidian if you can answer this question

[clever trout]

Iirc young shen yilun wanted to save them and sent us to help them out

But at the end everyone died and azheng said they died cuz he helped shen yilun from granary?

[quartz saddle]

i cant remember it clearly, could it be because shen yi lun before orchestrating the attack could of died and zheng saved him by feeding him or something?

[clever trout]

He did feed him but how would a kid yilun orchestrate it but send us to help em at the same time

[quartz saddle]

we didnthelp them, we were just experiencing a memory

[clever trout]

Yeah, but young shen yilun did request us to save them

[quartz saddle]

yeah but it never did happen

[scenic obsidian]

Because it didn’t specify which ethnical group they belong and was using the same model of Khitan, and for people of Wuhu, they are similar to Khitan with no decedents in China now.

[clever trout]

So the shens orchestrated it?

And yilun was on their side too?

[quartz saddle]

in the story, there were white robed uyghur people, not shown in picture

[quartz saddle]

idont remeber it clearly

[scenic obsidian]

It’s ok to mention Uyghurs but just can’t portray them as warriors or adversaries according to Chinese media habits.

[quartz saddle]

the white robed people were attacking the merchants with ma budai (burlap) and killing the bandits as well

[scenic obsidian]

That’s wuhu

People of Wuhu doesn’t have decedents in China now, so it’s ok to not use animal to represent them in the game.

[quartz saddle]

it was mentioned that burlap saw them as allies ( as he was tang) and we know that uyghur were tang allies

he said they were allied and was gonna save them there fore calling for help

[scenic obsidian]

So Uyghurs have different factions in late Tang

The Gao Chang Uyghurs weren’t really Tang’s ally, but there are other groups of Uyghurs were allies with Tang

[quartz saddle]

i see

[scenic obsidian]

The famousest one is Huihu(回鹘）aka Ganzhou Uyghurs

[quartz saddle]

interesting, props to you

because i wouldnt of known that much without you telling me

its really deep

[woven sigil]

That was years after the Khitan invasion, when Guo Wei overthrew the Later Han, the Han soldiers turned bandit to feed themselves during the winter, and Shen Yilun's older brother was their leader and knew the Zhengs had food stockpiled because they'd shared it with Yilun

Yilun was just a kid and couldn't stop his brother massacring the friends who had shared their food with him, that's why he spends his life obsessed with making sure nobody will go hungry

[misty elk]

thats interesting, making me want to dive deeper into the dynasties

[clever trout]

Damn bro I feel bad for yilun now

His being kidnapped by zheng and later death sounds even better

[mystic idol]

thats why yilun and zheng e were a duo bounded by the same trauma

or rather, diff versions of trauma but from the same event

[clever trout]

😔

[mystic idol]

the story pretty sad

[clever trout]

It wasn't his fault bro

[mystic idol]

its also why yilun always believed in zheng e/was non hostile to zheng e despite the things zheng e did to him

[clever trout]

Fr tho

I legit thought he was masochist

[mystic idol]

nope, it was just guilt/self-blame

they both blamed themselves for causing what happened during 12 year feud, even tho it was out of their control

[clever trout]

Yeah

The world feels better understanding wwm lore

...Guys, In the shimmer quest, who was the twin girl statues and who was the masked kid?

||one of the girls pushed her twin, who was the one that pushed?||

[woven sigil]

The twins were Aunt Han and her brother, the masked girl implied to be Qianye

[clever trout]

Why aunt han's bro a little girl?

[woven sigil]

Just dressed that way since twins

They initially mistranslated and said two brothers lol

[clever trout]

||So aunty and her bro was adopted by qianye's family to organ donate qianye cuz she was born sick?||

[woven sigil]

And for the secret of the song they were restoring, which Shimmer also wanted and that's why he looked into their history

[clever trout]

I also heard some spoilers about|| experiments and such... was they on han siblings or on qianye?||

[woven sigil]

Likely both but I don't think even CN has the whole story yet, next expansion there is Jiangnan

[north trench]

is that southern tang territory

[woven sigil]

Yeah Jiangnan Kingdom is what they're called after becoming a tributary of Song

[mystic idol]

yeah basically

[north trench]

what Quasi-Lesbian ghost killer mean?

[mystic idol]

||the real reason behind their adoption was just to harvest their organs for qianye when she needs it||

[north trench]

will we go to yanyun

[mystic idol]

maybe eventually?

next stop is jiangnan tho

[clever trout]

Damn bro aunty is tragic

By the way what quest is the part where ||aunt han rips off qianye's face and puts it on?|| Is it on global?

[mystic idol]

Yeah, which lowkey makes her love for melon even more precious hahaha

[mystic idol]

||Mohist hill ||, not in global yet

it’s chapter 4

[ocean wedge]

ong

[ocean wedge]

Chapter 4 will be released in April right?

[mystic idol]

no, all of Hexi is considered chapter 3

so april is part 2 of chapter 3

then may will be part 3

[ocean wedge]

Damnn .... I'm waiting for the hexi snow tho😍

[mystic idol]

same, its pretty, I hope there's a snowing weather in game too

i really liked the snow when we got it for the quest in kaifeng

[ocean wedge]

Fr fr 😭

[mystic idol]

at this point i think its already all revealed in-game and in global, but regarding aunt han, if you want to find out yourself though then don't read: ||after Han made it out of Liang Manor (Qianye's place), she joined Aureate Pavillion. Thats how she trained and became strong, then she went back and killed every one in Liang family in revenge, but Li Zuo the leader of Aureate Pavillion decided to spare Qianye and take her into the organization instead, so Han defected and took up the name Water Lady (洛神), then she retired and settled in Blissful Retreat, and eventually ran into Jiang Yan/Jiang Wulang who carried us and raised us. ||

[mystic idol]

if your comment includes link it would be deleted, you can tell people where to go/what to look up tho

[clever trout]

Bruh yall think marinating the game is worth it until then?

[meager meteor]

The game actually does a horrible job at story telling. It's not a localization problem. Is leagues better at story telling than any Souls game but still lacking. What I mean is that no matter how intricate and beautiful a story is, it doesn't matter if it doesn't reach the majority of the audience . You need enough story beats, cut scenes and easier to access narrative that is not hidden inside dialogue.

Really increasing summary here.

[clever trout]

I mean dropping and waiting till u can play it all together

[mystic idol]

but i’d say: the cn writing is fantastic, the english localization is a bit lacking. I think its slightly better with Hexi than Kaifeng/Qinghe, but a lot of nuances and depth is removed

that being said it comes naturally with trying to translate a very different language/writing style, while trying to fit the same UI/time frame etc

[clever trout]

Those letters and stuff are hard to understand for me

[mystic idol]

hmm you might be overloaded then

the people i like to watch (cn and global) tend to have legit notes they make as they play

but thats also the double edge sword of wwm’s story telling — not everyone is a fan of this style

in mohist hill the approach becomes a bit more direct rather than scattered throughout the map, at least for the main story

[woven sigil]

personally I love piecing together story, WWM does it better than Souls since the compendium/journal keeps most stuff available to read whenever

[mystic idol]

and I’ve seen some complain about burlap sack story gameplay, but its also intentional — by putting player in control of him but making you limited (powerless) in what you can do, you get full immersion for how it feels to be… not a martial artist in the world, but just a normal average weak person 🧍

its meant to be literally putting player in burlap sack shoes for an hour or so

[woven sigil]

biggest problem with loreheavy games is always when people have to go to a wiki or youtube just to reread something they already found

[mystic idol]

me too, I spend a long time reading the stuff like its a wiki

and it updates as you discover things too

but yeah i agree it’s very underused by players

[clever trout]

Burlap sack is tragic

Bros voice sounds tragic too

[mystic idol]

fr, eng va did well for most part hahaha

on that too, general guoxin fight for some reason has a part where english didn’t voice over, straight up missing for some reason

when he transitions from old to young, in chinese there’s a voice line

and it makes so much difference, the cn fight gives me chills, the en one doesnt

[hushed basin]

Burlap sack was such an emotional journey.

[wraith sigil]

Do you hold was pretty neat although not as oomph as 在

The amount of westerners i saw on the subreddit complaining that sack quest was boring and slow made me a bit sad though

[mystic idol]

not voicing the 安西军何在 在 voice turning from old to young and the call back from garrison is such an L tho 😭

[wraith sigil]

True true!

[mystic idol]

but yeah I agree, the do you hold was a pretty good alternative for something similar vibe

but unfortunately “we hold” is not single syllable like chinese which is what imo gives it more oomph

[wraith sigil]

They tried to get the vibe right and i appreciate them for that

[mystic idol]

yeah i agree

[wraith sigil]

Honestly vibe is more important than a real true translation

[mystic idol]

thats why i think localization is improving haha

any improvement imo is good, i’d take steps in the right direction over standing still

[wraith sigil]

Yeah for sure

I still will always recommend Chinese choice with subtitles but i understand the demand for audio you actually understand

[clever trout]

I prefer both as we watch anime and stuff with og voice+subtitles

And understandable audio as well

[wraith sigil]

I wonder how players would feel seeing more of the cotton/stuff in the future

For example of artifacts that were lost in the hundred years of humiliation and now rests in foreign museums

I remember when the content first time out in CN it stirred up a lot of nationalistic and anti foreigner sentiments

[stuck coral]

While still not one syllable oomph, there were some modified subtitles in a YT short that used “To the end!” instead. Those would have been closer vibes

[clever depot]

This is why I think the CN and Global versions should honestly just be separated.
Translating—or even localizing—CN content usually isn’t enough. Global players are still going to get a very different vibe because the cultural context just isn’t the same.

For the Global version, they really should add more extra context about the background and worldbuilding, especially for a game like this.

I watched a few playthroughs from global creators (including Burlap Sack), and yeah… most of them clearly didn’t get what the game was going for.

[wraith sigil]

Eh it creates jobs, i.e. creators like WWM girl to fill in that knowledge gap xD

It wouldn't hurt for them to do a history primer on their youtube channel