📖lore-chat

[vague shoal]

Paper money was supposedly her idea to resolve the currency crisis so big zhao can open the treasury

[acoustic bridge]

Maybe that’s my issue, I’m not sure. Like if Big and Little Zhao are working together or they have different principles of the ends justifying the means. Like if what happened to Murong Yuan, Zheng E, and the Rivermaster was caused by the Song Dynasty but mostly under Little Zhao’s decisions I’d be less confused about Big Zhao’s involvement in some events

Yea that was the whole delay military action as a collective of the other bosses we fight under EoE I mentioned. But their issue was just the negative effects of pursuing that military action right? Not the Song Dynasty as a whole?

[vague shoal]

We don't know how much lil zhao was involved but a change of regime naturally gonna make some people unhappy, it is what it is

[vague shoal]

They are just not happy with song's policies and decisions that's all. Shimmer of the south just looked for who had beef with song dynasty most to manipulate them to advance his plans

For example murong yuan's adoptive father li jun literally rebelled even when big zhao's court welcomed him after the took over. Then shimmer and ember of the east just manipulated that to make her blow up the ship

[river ridge]

I finally understood the game, this is what Where Winds Meet actually wanted us to learn:

In Qinghe:

The Cost of Peace. Through the Blissful Retreat, we learn that the safety we enjoy is often an illusion paid for by the silent sacrifices of others. We thought we were just living a simple life, only to realize that Aunt Han (the Water Lady) and Uncle Jiang were hiding their true identities to protect us. We learn that to truly stand for ourselves, we have to accept that our shelter was built on their secrets and blood. Eventually we must leave the nest because we cannot rely on them forever to face the danger for us.

In Kaifeng:

The Complexity of Justice. Leaving the village for the capital, we realize the world isn't simply Black and White. In the bustling streets of the Song Dynasty, we see immense wealth right next to desperate poverty. We learn that a Hero does not necessarily mean they are good, and a Villain might actually have a noble cause. We learn that simply defeating a bad guy does not fix the rotting system. The real lesson is having the intelligence to see past the labels of Good and Evil instead of just swinging a sword blindly.

[river ridge]

I wish i had an epiphany like this in school

[iron canyon]

mc still has more to know but was pretty much swept into this since we wanted info about aunt han, what we see now is only the surface so we never know

[vague shoal]

It's never too late

[paper rampart]

I wish you stop regretting.

[celest flume]

Big zhao and little zhao r on the same side in my theory
Lord Shi is a powerful god, therefore they cannot kill him without making chaos in the court
This is when the mc come and little zhao pretends to side w lord shi while big zhao disguises as a common man
This allows them to have lord shi removed without directly involving the zhao brothers

Makes sense?
Be in the CN cutscenes little zhao seems to be friendly w the mc

[iron canyon]

i can see your point too because off their identities they have to make decisions carefully, and also by disguising they could see first hand of what's going on with the folks and probably he's also letting little zhao have some training with politics

[vague shoal]

Lil Zhao is literally the person who thought of thang tang coins confiscation policy, there is no pretending. You can hear him talk with Zhao Pu, with Zhao Pu having doubts over his policy that it's too harsh but he's like it's for the best

The real lord shi is dead, and the fake lord one is just someone who aureate pavillion planted in to create more chaos

[limpid wolf]

They dont know Shi is the shadow treasurer of Weiyang. THey just assume its the same Shi, but with a harsher stance on the Tang coins due to the danger it poses to the Song state.

Little Zhao is much more ruthless and is more pliable to be manipulated, and the shadow treasurer uses that against him

[celest flume]

||Wrong, little zhao is breedable||

[honest rain]

They all had an underlying disdain for the court before, but then Shimmer and Ember came in and capitalized on it (&some vulnerable mental states)

Some real good Foreign adversaries work😂

[honest rain]

Lord Shi is no god, more of a cult leader, but your point stands otherwise

[mystic idol]

yes LMAO

若楠 moment

[mystic idol]

there are more nuances/smaller morals or lessons hidden in side quests, but this is a good summary of the main story and what it tells

I look forward to how you'll summarize Hexi haha 👀

[vague shoal]

I hear that Hexi might be hard for global players to understand

[river ridge]

hexi = sand

[mystic idol]

its much more than sand hahaha, sand is only the first "section" of Hexi that opens up

[mystic idol]

I think I said this or something similar to this

It's a more abstract chapter of the story

[vague shoal]

I saw a comment in chinese on youtube saying so

[mystic idol]

yeah I wouldn't be surprised

Hexi is very like... "broken pieces" - story is given in a bunch of non-personal (to the MC) mini plots and at the finale the significance is revealed

similar to one leaf one life quest but bigger I guess

[sudden shard]

How do Wang Qing knows Li Zuo? They play go together in one of the dungeon

[sudden shard]

I don't understand why we can go to another people's dream, the one that paint in cave

[mystic idol]

think of it as more immersive story telling hahaha

[vague shoal]

Is this why bosses in hexi look kinda high fantasy, because it's only a dream/memory

[mystic idol]

yupyup

[vague shoal]

devs just wanna do dark soul like bosses so they coem up with an excuse huh

[crimson birch]

what happened to the big brother that taught us archery in the first quest

he got so obessed with archery he sold all of his clothings... i haven't done the quests that continues it but hope we see him near mohist hill

[sudden shard]

Err... what a stark difference from the start

He looks like a different person

[crimson birch]

his curiosity slowly turned into obession... now he's like this T0T

[vague shoal]

Mohist hill is so far away sadge

[crimson birch]

big bro will be going through lots of trouble to get there i guess...

[vague shoal]

isnt he already in mohist sect when we meet him again in lu and mo debate

[sudden shard]

Like a young master and his servant 😂

[honest rain]

But physically traveling there is going to be hard

[sudden shard]

Can we bring out the flying bird thingy to outside world? Not just mohist hill

[vague shoal]

Im curious but is WWM one of the top games in CN right now?

[crimson birch]

oh thank god he got to the sect

[crimson birch]

i'm intrigued to know about that as well cause i heard it did got quite the tropies in taptapgames awards

[crimson birch]

definitely

[mystic idol]

its like top 10-20 usually i think

for pc games overall

[vague shoal]

hmm, I thought it was top 10 at least

[mystic idol]

above it are ones mostly from other genres (league, naraka, valorant etc) aside from older legacy MMORPGs games like wow/poe

and genshin

[crimson birch]

genshin's still top???

[honest rain]

Surprisingly, yes

[crimson birch]

that's quite the shocker. was a player when the first region came out while maining kaeya and lisa. the artifect system, the currency farming, and how some utilites are locked behind characters' constellation i left. wonder why people still play? sunk cost fallacy?

[honest rain]

Sunk cost + continuous stimulation in form of content & character injections from devs + some people are genuinely invested + each update brings a little bit of new players, keeping the numbers up

[crimson birch]

hmm... i haven't been on genshin internet side so this definitely helped make things clear. i suppose genshin will still stay alive even when other games are getting more and more better and genshin still stuck in same place.

[rustic jetty]

Anyone can explain how Beard Guang died? He's one of the survivors, is clearly saved by the player during the fire, and is seen escaping the Illusion Formation with the other survivors right before Ruby is shot down by Qianye. If he truly died off-screen, how did he die? He's clearly a well-known trading caravan boss, so, his death should have a bigger impact, possibly affecting the whole Qinghe. But, why is it only Tang Bao that mourns his death post-fire? Why are there no further consequences? Bruh, what a broken narrative. 🤦🏻

[foggy tiger]

He just side character what u expecting? A whole chain quest line?

A little bit of flavour is good enough. If they have to flesh out every side char game will be 200 tb

[rustic jetty]

Just a side character, but has more screen time than a mere "side character" during MQ's plot? Duh... 👀

[vague shoal]

Bro's just a nobody merchant

[honest rain]

I'm afraid you fell for kids' excitement. Both Ruby and YM kinda overestimate the importance of the caravan, as it's jianghu equivalent of ice-cream truck

[rustic jetty]

Yeah, overestimating the caravan's importance while mentioning Beard Guang's name in most chatable NPCs in Qinghe still affects their responses in a region called Qinghe where NPCs live in various village-sized settlements, has a considerable distance between each settlement, and weirdly enough to has the concept of economy plus the needs of money. 🤷🏻

[rustic jetty]

Yeah. A nobody merchant but has a close ties with Ruby and the player plus has more screen time in MQ's plot than a mere "nobody". 🤦🏻

[foggy tiger]

guy's chosen his hill

https://tenor.com/view/why-fail-poor-choice-yikes-gif-19205909

[honest rain]

I mean, Beard Guang probably feels important immediately out of Ch1, but then you get into Ch2 and everyone's general/prefect/minister/head of sect/etc and you explore Qinghe to find out about Tian Ying and generals & legendary heroes, and some head of caravan really becomes unimportant nobody. Let's give them some time to run into more people

[vague shoal]

Old jin is more relevant than him

[honest rain]

To everyone's surprise

Final boss of pawn tactics

[vast glade]

also Stockholm syndrome

[rustic jetty]

Whether he is important or not, is not for the players to decide, but the game. The game's narrative flags him multiple times, duh... 😏

[honest rain]

Multiple times in like first 3h, if you're going slow, of 300+h of game

[hidden kelp]

Tbh people just dropping dead during a key historical time of turbulence and transition between major factional struggles is a major theme of this period piece. Better get used to it now 😩

[honest rain]

Also smoke inhalation is no joke, especially for an old man

YM can walk away, but Bearded Guang caught a lungful or two of that 🔥🔥🔥

[rustic jetty]

Once the game gives a character a name, gives them recurring screen time, ties NPC dialogue responses to them, it has entered a contract with the player.

The contract is:
“This character matters at least to the extent that their state changes are meaningful.”
Breaking that contract = broken narrative.

Besides, making the lore more coherent does not truly require high technical skill or higher game's size.

[honest rain]

The contract is written by rats

Or Candy Lady, pick your favorite

[hidden kelp]

Dang NMW at it again

[rustic jetty]

Sure, whatever.

Later chapters having bigger figures doesn’t erase earlier narrative commitments.
The game flagged Beard Guang as socially real and causally relevant.
Once that flag is raised, the story owes him consistency — not amnesia. 🤷🏻

[hidden kelp]

Sure, everyone is entitled to opinions. Not everyone is gonna agree with the same opinion

[foggy tiger]

still on this.. maybe we should name a hill after beard guang

[scarlet onyx]

Any info on mistveil city? The devs were like, The red lady this is HER storyyy etc etc, Ive gotten all chests, talked to the downed people, reached the end and literally the red lady is just standing there with a beast man and two other randos DX

What im getting is Kaifeng was built on another city and this place was flooded. What does the red lady have to do with it? XD

[foggy tiger]

idk probably nothing

replaying the story is interesting 2nd time round. u notice and appreciate things that weren't noticable first time round

lore lovers recommend to play through again if u have time to spare

[vague shoal]

Maybe when I feel like playing legend

[foggy tiger]

i play expert only. puppeteer took me like 20min to clear

[honest rain]

Misleading translation! Mistveil dungeon and prison get their name from bring in mistveil forest.

Mistveil city and Mistveil forest get their name from Chinese translation – both use a common way to phrase "[location] covered in fog/mist"

[scarlet onyx]

?? but what does that have to do with the red lady?

[scarlet onyx]

You ok dude? lol If nothing then why reply to the question with something random XD

[lavish garnet]

Which vid/channel clearly explains the lore? Im intrigued to know

[vast glade]

helps YM got martial arts and Qi control,so his Body is fit + he's supernaturally enhanced

[finite pond]

has their been an speculation in regards to what is mistveil city prison lore or story or implications?

or cascading water ruins

or did we just went into underworld lol

[honest rain]

I mean, the mistveil city git nothing to do with the Ghost Bride (red lady) and it's extra frustrating bc the transaction would lead you to think there's something

[finite pond]

I honestly thought mistveil city is a dark reflection of the destroyed chang'an

chinese ghost myth and such

[scarlet onyx]

it is, especially as they keep hyping her up

Like all she is doing is standing at the end and you cant interact with her. Why is she advertised here?

[honest rain]

You can search in the chat, but someone mentioned earlier that irl Kaifeng was built on top of previous cities, so there is a chance it was used for in-game Kaifeng

[finite pond]

probably represetns the dark reflection of the kaifeng

but honestly I Love it

[honest rain]

The Ghost bride is extra-popular trope in china/Chinese stories and refers to popular in-game Ghost master, they're riding a wave

[finite pond]

also, what does the resentment debuff do to you? I stepped on water and it

I immediately jumped away and I don't want to know

[scarlet onyx]

so it very much feels like they just said. "lets hype up ghost bride and for a random reason just stick her model at the end of the dungeon for funs" lol

[finite pond]

hello where can I find cheng hong after doing mistveil city?

[iron canyon]

agreeing with this and since ghost bride is a very common concept so why not make a ghost master

[limber bough]

hi wanna ask can we replay top 10 scams?

[wary otter]

On future I think. But the encounter that doesn't have a quest bar. I don't think you can play it for ex: the celestial seize on nmw character

[limber bough]

i was referring to the entrapment and fart scam for eg

[wary otter]

Yah just press on the quest and press the restart button

[limber bough]

future u mean the CN server allows replay?

[limber bough]

the thing is i dont find those in the chapter

[limber bough]

so its under encounter?

[wary otter]

Replay system is already available twin.

[wary otter]

Just find the title of the quest and you can replay it

[limber bough]

I know , but for this particular top 10 scams is not inside the quest or any encounter etc for me to replay(or at least i cant find the quest name at all)

[wary otter]

The fart one is under encounter I think. Just read the description or see how far the quest is to filter and find the exact one

[limber bough]

is the entrapment there as well? cos i legit dont remember seeing fart scam

[limber bough]

whats the name of the quest i try find it again

[wary otter]

fake Chengshi" quest or something. I don't really remember

Just read the description of each. I think you'll find it eventually

[limber bough]

oh ok thanks i try to find again 😅

[sudden shard]

I think it's part of injustice quest

[mystic idol]

its also an ode to how war torn it is — basically there were 3 cities (i forget in total or not including kaifeng) that exist there, each built on top of the ruins of the other

[wary otter]

Oh yeah lol mb. I thought it was an encounter, cause when I saw the hat I immediately thought it was an encounter

[limber bough]

so cannot replay?

[sudden shard]

I think we can replay them, since there are failed injustice quest

[fringe olive]

Who is she on lore ?

[iron canyon]

qianye

[fringe olive]

I forgot what connection she shares with aunt Han

[plain star]

the last lost chapter in Kaiffeng explain it a lot.

[fringe olive]

Oh I haven't completed that quest yet

[plain star]

So I won't spoil it. But basically it tells about aunt Han's past.

[plain star]

btw, anyone know what ||Shimmer of South said in the ending cutscene of Kaifeng? The one when we open the room in Velvet Shade and reclaim the wine. I use Chinese dub that there no sub in that scene||.

[vague shoal]

Sthing about meeting the MC again in jiangnan

[royal plover]

Why there 2 wolf maiden arena?

In qinghe and kaifeng

[plain star]

it's the same.

[mystic idol]

there's a qinghe area that looks similar to the kaifeng one, but isn't the same one, if you're talking about a particular side quest..

If you're talking about the side quest in qinghe where you drank the alcohol though, you end up in the kaifeng one because they tried to traffick you there

[fierce badger]

Not revealed yet

[royal plover]

But why kidnap me just to put me in arena?

[mystic idol]

they originally wanted to bring you somewhere else, but I think they were attacked or something (I don't recall) and you ended up being tossed as baggage in there lol

[foggy tiger]

Kaifeng is built on top of city ruins. I think the tablet at the end of mist veil city says something to that end

[woven sigil]

Cities in that region rising and falling for centuries and the dungeon is going through layers of each all the way back to Wei 600 years prior

[vast glade]

it's built on top of 2 other cities iirc

[paper rampart]

Wei state > Qin dynasty > bei wei dynasty then sui-tang-song dynasty

Not sure kaifeng was rebuilt on tang or after tang

If the stupid greedy eunuch didn’t sabotage the new Qin emperor after Qin Shi Huang death, Kaifeng will not have multiple city layers

[vast glade]

you're talking about the one who sold the 16 prefectures of yanyun?

[paper rampart]

No, way earlier. About 700 BC between

Basically before Liu Bang comes.

[sturdy merlin]

can someone explain to me what exactly is yanyun

and is ghost market like, a physical place?

on earth

or some mystical land thing

[jolly holly]

for those who thought he's the main character when this game was announced lol

[vague shoal]

Yanyun is current beijing area

[mental ermine]

~210BC

[mental ermine]

16 prefectures, yan = youzhou (beijing area), yun = yunzhou (datong area iirc)

[paper rampart]

Thank you for the calculator result. I am not sure why christ was involved but ok

[mental ermine]

I mean you said 700 bc wrt zhao gao

Just saying

[woven sigil]

simplest way to explain is it's where the Great Wall is, a previous emperor (Gaozu of Jin) gave the Khitans control of all their defenses in exchange for helping him seize power, as soon as he died and his heir took over, the Khitans invaded defenseless Jin

[mental ermine]

pink area basically

[sturdy merlin]

thats a pretty tiny area

[woven sigil]

very important for keeping Khitan out though, plus Beijing-aka-Nanjing is there

[vague shoal]

Nanjing?

[woven sigil]

not called Beijing yet

[vague shoal]

Isnt nanjing different though

You're might be mistaking it for ming's first capital

zhu yuan zhang 1st ming capital was nanjing, then he moved capital to beijing

[woven sigil]

different Nanjing, the Khitan Nanjing became Beijing, modern Nanjing is in Southern Tang

[vague shoal]

Im not sure, nanjing has always been 1 city, the one in the south

[woven sigil]

to the Khitan it's their southern capital, to the Han it's in the north

[vague shoal]

Did a quick google and it said liao empire's capital was shangjing though

But they do call beijing nanjing

Interesting

[nova bluff]

spoiler free official art from cn

[proper orbit]

😢

[nova bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-cry-crying-emotional-depressed-gif-22291382

[lunar nebula]

How would the Nine Mortals Way react to one of their trying to achieving enlightenment and become a Bodhisattva or Buddha?

[proper orbit]

it may seem confusing and it often is. nanjing because nan means south and to the Jurchens, that's in the south of their realm.

I don't think the Khitans ever officially named Beijing as Nanjing though

It was the Jurchens who did it

[mental ermine]

Liao's nanjing is current beijing

[proper orbit]

If i'm not wrong the Liao named Beijing "Yanjing"

the Yan from Yanyun

[mental ermine]

New york is a pretty small area too

[proper orbit]

sigh.. this tree.....

Hongxian (Ruby) is the only character in the entire game that moved me the most

[mental ermine]

It's strategic region for northern defense and traditionally part of Chinese territories since the western zhou times

You can't judge territories just by their size

[proper orbit]

It's a vital gate. if you look at the topography you will understand.

[lunar nebula]

You judge them by strategic positioning and trade routes.

[mental ermine]

Natural resources, population size, etc etc

[proper orbit]

And many of the prefectures in the Yanyun area actually were well populated and had good fertile lands too.
and the Khitans did manage to assimilate part of the population over time.

[lunar nebula]

More importantly farming land too. Gotta have the rice paddies growing.

[mental ermine]

Not much rice growing in the north but you got the point

[nova bluff]

This is for HEXI. This moved me more than Ruby's death

[mental ermine]

Make 大唐 great again

[nova bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-animated-cartoon-comedy-police-man-gif-3475982

[proper orbit]

😢

what a tragedy

[lunar nebula]

Yea. They mostly grow wheat, but rice is more of staple food in China proper.

[proper orbit]

MDTGA

[nova bluff]

This is for Hutuo. We should finally unlock Zhongdu Bridge this week iirc

[mental ermine]

Didn't get to see du chongwei in the new drama yet

[proper orbit]

I haven't watched it yet. 4 episodes so far right?

[mental ermine]

Im at 12 lol bought vip

[sudden shard]

I see so many tears, blood, and sweat + spirit from the gameplay

[proper orbit]

Unfortunately, there are too many people like Du Chongwei ....

[proper orbit]

oh wait. youtube?

[sudden shard]

Why there are 2 of us??

[proper orbit]

I heard from a friend that there was a scene in epi 1 of the army eating human meat (the infamous two-legged lambs rations) .. that got censored from youtube

[sudden shard]

Can't wait to see more about zhongdu bridge since it isn't finished

[mental ermine]

Yeah

[lunar nebula]

Wait until we get someone like Qin Hui...

[proper orbit]

idk how censored by youtube the series was...

youtube censors a lot recently

[nova bluff]

Look who im hanging out with 💖 👯

MASSIVE SPOILER DO NOT OPEN IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED. You've been warned.

[mental ermine]

I watched on iqiyi at first lol so not sure bout that. Might need to switch back if that's gonna be the case...

[proper orbit]

I can't be sure too. Might want to ask around if there are any differences.

[mental ermine]

Qin hui aint that bad when you see someone making humans into rations

[proper orbit]

Armies eating humans... apparently nothing new throughout history...

[nova bluff]

An Lushan rebellin be like

[proper orbit]

when you run out of grain, you butcher the warhorses too... and then.... when you run out of that...

anything to keep the army together.. :/

Yuan Shu and Yuan Shao can tell you a thing or two about the insaneness of holding a huge army together.. lol

[mental ermine]

Cheng Yu also "procured" human meat for Cao Cao's armies

Desperate times

[lunar nebula]

At least he wasn't Zhang Han who surrendered his Qin army of 200,000 thousand strong men to be buried alive, because they wasn't enough food to feed all of them as prisoners of war.

[iron canyon]

||unleash taichi on him||

[nova bluff]

why would i hurt an innocent man

smh smh

[dry tartan]

uncle tian

[mystic idol]

oh bro fr.

from 安西军何在 to ||passing of the peach|| so good

[nova bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/no-thanks-i'm-not-crying-nope-gif-17967791009963764723

[limber bough]

sorry i really cant find the reverse quest (i even went to compendium), i think i found all the way , its not all 10 scams can replayed (only 5)

[eternal coral]

Sooo, is anyone here who joined Well of Heaven and saw that entry in the sect's Legacy about Wang Qing being the 21st generation leader? Can someone please take a screenshot of it and let me know i did not hallucinate that entry? I left WoH after reading it (rpg-ing to the max) and found out only later on it disappears. 😂

[wicked prawn]

Guys whats the story with the cascading water ruins. Something about Juyin people (?), the Qin, and the Wei?

[celest flume]

What

Wang qing the headless general?

[eternal coral]

Yes that Wang Qing as in the same General Wang Qing whose statue is in the generals shrine, and who was also the leader of the Northern Vow lmao
I am literally considering to rejoin WoH just to see that entry in the Legacy tab and take a screenshot of it lmao

I tried to google it and see if anyone has taken a screenshot or something but NADA it pisses me off that i missed taking a screenshot of it because now that I left WoH, its gone 😂
His entry in the legacy tab also is the missing context as to why in the current leader's description, the sect was in crisis and the 20th leader needed to bypass tradition to have a new sect leader. THE SECT WAS IN CRISIS BECAUSE WANG QING THE SECT LEADER FOUGHT BACK THE INVADERS, EFFECTIVELY DISOBEYING SECT RULE AND THEN DIED, WOH WAS LEADERLESS LMAO

And yeah I left WoH for Wang Qing when i read that entry lol

[tropic kernel]

this? lol

[eternal coral]

PERFECT I LOVE YOU HAHHAA I AM NOT MAD AFTER ALL

[mystic idol]

small spoiler || but Wang Qing took a lot of WoH with him to the battle of Zhongdu bridge, so him losing and dying there also resulted in the loss of a lot of WoH sect disciples. One of the sect seniors arrived too late to Zhongdu bridge to help, but when she saw how the sect members’ bodies were basically massacred/put on display as a warning, she went crazy and founded the heng dao martial arts style we will eventually play with||

[celest flume]

I remembered there was the part where he got betrayed right

[mystic idol]

yeah

[eternal coral]

Sorry i just had a funny thought, they probably realized a tank needs a sword HAHAHA

[honest rain]

Is this this one?

[sudden shard]

Is this Li Zuo and us???👀

Wish you can put gameplay video here 🥺

[mystic idol]

nope, its part of the heng dao haha

[honest rain]

Is it not in-game yet? This is the closest description I can find among available weapons. Or is it just not playable, "just" mentioned somewhere?

[eternal coral]

I believe we held the heng dao during the shimmer of south's quest, i noticed my weapon icon looked different during that segment or what i like to call playable cutscene 😂

But its not "obtainable" yet

[honest rain]

I see, thank you

[eternal coral]

Now that i think about it, i kinda love and hate the devs for "deleting" that Wang Qing entry in the WoH history because (1) it makes sense lore wise that a sect leader who went against the sect and then left would be information made privy to sect disciples only (2) it felt like i went through (kinda) the same emotions of those WoH disciples who followed Wang Qing to battle the khitans, even if its against sect belief/rule. If saving defenseless commoners from invaders means aligning with the state and going against the sect, i will do it too lol i just left WoH because of it. It felt absurd for a sect who claims to look out for the needy to turn a blindeye to people actually dying due to the invasion. Sorry i just felt so strongly about this Wang Qing lore in WoH 😂

[mental ermine]

hengdao is a straight sabre

[nova bluff]

In Game Model

[scarlet yarrow]

heng dao is temu vergil

[mint spade]

And what did the state do after repelling the Khitans?

Oh right, time for infighting amongst chinese people to see who is gonna unify China.

Sure repelling the invasion and saving common people is one thing, but there's a reason the rule exists not to turn a blind eye to suffering, but to prevent their members from serving the state

[nova bluff]

how it looks like sheathed

[eternal coral]

I get why that rule exists, i do. But everything isnt black and white, and rules need to be flexible to truly serve its purpose imo. Like for that instance with Wang Qing, his reasons could be coming from the right place and the sect could have placed a temporary exception to the rule to somewhat help defend the people dying AND THEN withdraw once its fine. Just my opinion

My point is helping the people during the invasion should not automatically mean aligning with the state or betraying the sect

Also i did not say that rule exists to turn a blindye to the suffering of the common people. They let the rule make them turn a blindeye. I believe there is a way to help the people while also maintaining independence from the state and obeying the sect rule. Hey this is fiction, so it should be possible lmao

Lastly, you sound confrontational. You dont need to be. It's just a nobody throwing their thoughts about a game they like 🙂

[strange sparrow]

Yall

Is emporer actually father of the young master

[peak perch]

my time to shine

[strange sparrow]

[crimson birch]

white hair emperor? i think at cn it was revealed that ym's faster was a soldier from the bridge battle

take it with a grain of salt tho

[fringe olive]

Just completed now , still not clear we need more details

[vague shoal]

What ur not clear about?

[fringe olive]

About aunt Han like why did she abonded mc

[vague shoal]

Cause aureate pavillion is hunting her

[vague granite]

Greetings Lore Chat! I wish to be a regular here with you all!

Now. I want someone to give me an essay on Rong Yuan/Murong Yuan's entire lore, including spoilers.

[honest rain]

After reading Er Mao's diaries, MB looks more and more like this (+swords allowed)

[vague granite]

Who's Er Mao? I forgot who that was

[honest rain]

A NMW disciple that was passed around tried to scam members of all sects and took notes on them

He sits just above where you meet Nimble

You can take/steal his diaries and read them

[vague granite]

I'm too lazy to read the lore in-game and want someone to compile the entire lore into a 10+ page essay or a book.

[vague shoal]

#📖lore-chat message

[vague granite]

Do you have that in essay form?

[vague shoal]

No

[vague granite]

Damn

How about in book form?

To whomever is reading this message,

I hope someone or any one of you is willing to sacrifice their time to compile the entire lore of WWM. Whether it be in essay form or novel form, it doesn't matter. For I am too lazy to unlock every lore in-game.

I pray, to you who is willing to do the bidding, good health.

[honest rain]

For now you can scroll through #📺media there are a few lore videos about certain plots there!

[vague granite]

I'm not into watching lore videos that much since I forget easily. Hence why I want it in an essay or novel form. I prefer reading.

[honest rain]

Fair

There's already a full Compendium and Journal for in-game reading

[vague granite]

I haven't unlocked much of the Compendium and Journals cause I'm too lazy to grind them

[vague shoal]

Need to lock in bro

[honest rain]

What a picky turtle.

• Someone already did all the work and compiled it? I don't do videos
• It was already discussed by multiple people? I'd like an essay, not discussion
• there's a section of the game that rewards exploration by compiling the results into easy to read texts? I'm not grinding

WWM has souls-like logic of "lore is a reward for the curious" when it comes to anything past surface-level

[vague shoal]

He isnt called the beggar for nothing

[vague granite]

There's too many things going on in the game I don't even know where to start. Hence why I'm begging for someone to make an essay.

[honest rain]

How unfortunate that he run into oh-so-evil us

[vague shoal]

Rather than an essay, we need a fanfic between murong yuand and MC

[honest rain]

Best advice is to pick a character you find interesting, 100% their journal entry and related area, and see where threads of their lore lead you to explore next

[vague granite]

I am a beggar to the core. Everyone hates beggars so I get bullied a lot.

[honest rain]

Unraveling the story is a built-in part of the experience

[vague granite]

Thankfully there are a small percentage of people who support me for the sake of authentic roleplay. Though not much, but still a good sum of people.

[vague granite]

I'm more interested in Murong Yuan, just don't know where to start reading

[honest rain]

If only there was a compilation of info on her in-game....

taps the sign

[vague granite]

Also, are the books and papers we read from the floor get archived or do we have to go back to where they were located

[honest rain]

Compendium -> poetry and tales

If can't find there, check bag->quest items (you need to manually archive some)

If not there, check dark surge

[vague granite]

How about the books that you can't grab into your bag, do they also get archived into the Compendium?

[honest rain]

Some do, some you can return to at the location, some get condensed into dark surge (looking at some Tian Ying lore rn)

[vague granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-pet-pet-fun-high-tired-so-tired-gif-24511981

[honest rain]

Rule of thumb, check Compendium and see if it's there or if you need to bend over backwards to get it

[vague granite]

My brain not braining

[tender siren]

||is the mcs family confirmed dead|| spoilers

[vague granite]

Yes

[tender siren]

Even the aunt?

[alpine path]

What do you count as family?

Blanket “yes” answer is incorrect anyway

[tropic kernel]

uncle and aunt are both alive

[honest rain]

Blood family - yeah, adopted family (aunt Han, uncle Jiang, etc) - confirmed location unknown

Unless they want to go for some twists and turns and reveal the a certain someone is MC's relative

[frail lynx]

I finished the Zhang E dungeon. I'm so confused ||wtf he evil. something about saving someone he shouldn't have|| and why is everyone|| sick. Fungus infection?||

[honest rain]

Why is he evil – after the events you see in 12 years of feud, ||Zheng E was already in mentaly dark place. For a few years, he was stabilized by his teacher/adopted mother, but then she died and Heavenfall (location of his adopted family) went into famine, partly due to Court politics. Zheng E was reminded of his past trauma and spiraled HARD. With Ember&Shimmer's manipulation help and little to no actual mental health support, he got to the point we see him at the start of quest: self-isolating, cold, scheming, ruthless and with obsessive ideations focused on the granary and Shen Yilun.|| Considering that a conversation with Shen Yilun and a beating from YM pulled him out of his spiral, his mental health crisis was very preventable and is not indicative of his actual character.

The sickness is Dawn-to-Dusk blossom (white-blue flowers and roots you see all around, yeah, they're not flowers, these are tops of mushrums=fungus). It's an fungal infection artificially made by Sun Buqi. You can find out more about it by exploring Mistveil Forest, but Zheng E has unusually good control of the thing (and a lot of lung damage due to it. And his hairpiece is not some pretty glass/blue jade, the branches and leaves seem to be the work of fungus)

And the "snow" you see in his location and cutscenes isn't snow, it's actually spores of the fungus(pretty blue flowers). Inhaling spores would make anyone sick, don't do it!!!

[frail lynx]

Wait because I was in the dungeon, am I sick? ty for the explanation

[honest rain]

Game logic protects you, but if YM wasn't Main Character, he'd be sick with magic fungus tuberculosis

You can also talk with healer/SN NPCs around Hearwell Grove (or smth like that, village East of Kaifeng). Their clinic works on supporting and researching Dawn-to-Dusk victims

[frail lynx]

Ah thx 😊

[honest rain]

I did a more detailed explanation of his timeliness here #📖lore-chat message if you're interested

[frail lynx]

Thx! We are introduced to so many things, and it's not all linear/ most are hinted so I get confused

[honest rain]

I've been on Zheng E's case for some time now, so I'm happy to share! Some moments, like his work on Dawn-to-Dusk research team with Zhai Xu &shizuns are pretty hard to notice, but are very satisfying to put together

Still not sure where he got the Frostwing title, but we can't have everything I guess

[frail lynx]

Well in the dungeon some mobs have cold powers and he froze his sister... Idk where he got his frost powers.

[honest rain]

Dawn-to-Dusk is cold-loving fungus, and as I said Zheng E has a strong affinity for it. The white weapons/branches he uses in the fight are all fungal growth/mycelium

I guess he does have a pretty distinct fighting style, so if you saw him on the battlefield near Zhu Yu, you'd know it's that frost boy

[frail lynx]

I feel almost bad for him but there's no excuses for what he's done. ||He basically starved people, right? Hid the grain? But why did he get the master of grain title at the end. Makes no sense to give it to the perpetrator ||

[honest rain]

No! ||Shen Yilun (the og) tried to get military grain, stored in Granary, be approved for use to help starving villages. Big Zhao, thinking military action is most important, declines his proposal. That's where Zheng E attacks Shen Yilun and takes over! Zheng E doesn't do politics, he straight up changed ShYl-loyal guards of Granary for the people Murong Yuan provided and worked with NMW to create a secret passage so military grain can be smuggled out. There, some was picked up by Bloodscale Hall to deliver to famine-struck Heavenfall and some was sold on Ghost Market to commonfolk||

Bloodscale Hall being led by his adoptive sister, Feng Ruzhi

[frail lynx]

Oh wow. I completely missed all that.

[honest rain]

It is very hidden, no wonder

[frail lynx]

Ah so he was gong up smuggle out the grain...

[frail lynx]

Lol tbh I just stepped into Kaifeng so some of stuff might be explained later 😆

[honest rain]

Also MC is kinda emperor-pilled when he entered the Granary, so he sees Zheng E's scheming as evil, when he's being anti-emperor

[frail lynx]

I saw his aunt wrote a letter in the dungeon.

[honest rain]

But later as you collect the story you see how Zheng E is very kind-hearted, even if he's rough around the corners (and, well, he was nagged on by Ember&Shimmer during mental health crisis, I'm not surprised)

[vague shoal]

Aunt han changed his face so he can fake being shen yilun

[frail lynx]

Ohhhhhhh....

This aunt is very mysterious. Shouldn't he be like why is my aunt here. Lol

I'm guessing they're fighting on opposite ends rn

[honest rain]

I think YM did comment that briefly

[frail lynx]

I honestly think i guess I need to read this lore and connect the relationship tree. 😆

[honest rain]

But if I remember correctly, it was Shimmer of South who brought A'Zheng to her

And it's all a part of their undercover spy games, yk

[vague shoal]

It's ember of the east

[honest rain]

Ah, right

Two scheming besties

The way they came in and capitalized on local strong people upset by Big Zhao's policies must be in textbooks of this world

[vague shoal]

Real life shimmer is useless compared to the one in the story, devs buffed him hard

[honest rain]

Someone got to hype up their fave from history book

[vague granite]

I like how Big Zhao disguises himself as the commonfolk most of the time just blending in and enjoying Kaifeng while someone else is sitting on the throne as nothing but a puppet to the greater story.

[honest rain]

I don't think there's a puppet, he's just going out in disguise in his off time

[vague granite]

Isn't the dude in purple the one sitting as the "new" emperor instead of Big Zhao?

I thought that the dude in purple was a puppet emperor while Big Zhao is pulling the strings

[honest rain]

He's prefect of Kaifeng, not emperor! Different position

[vague shoal]

That's his brother, at that point in history he's only a prefect

[nimble pilot]

so why does Emperor Zhao disguise himself as peasant

[honest rain]

Basically we see Mr.president going undercover to see if Minister of Washington is not doing anything shady while reporting "all good" in official communications

[vague shoal]

To check on the peasant's lives

Apparently emperor taizu aka big zhao has that habit in real history too

[nimble pilot]

really

interesting thats nice of him

what a benevolent guy

[vague shoal]

He is, hence zhao guangyi hates him

[vague granite]

Zhao Guangyi? Is that his brother?

[honest rain]

Zhao Guangyi aka Zhao Er aka lil' Zhao

[vague granite]

So wait... Officially Zhao Guangyi is the prefect of Kaifeng, but since Big Zhao likes to play dress up, Zhao Guangyi has to pretend like he's the emperor while Big Zhao is having fun.

[honest rain]

No, emperor is just unavailable when big Zhao is out adventuring

But plot of Kaifeng is about internal policy about coins, which is prefect's territory of decisions => he's the official present and dealing with the situation

Big Zhao has power to overwrite prefect's decisions, so he went on undercover investigation

[vague shoal]

An emperor doesnt have to be present all the time, court meetings arent everyday

[vague granite]

I thought Zhao Guangyi was just playing the shadow of the Emperor while his identity remains hidden and only a few people know his real identity.

[honest rain]

Shorthand for understanding:
Bright yellow clothes ("golden") = emperor
Bright purple = important official
Pale yellow = pretentious rich guy

[vague granite]

What's funny is no one seems to know Big Zhao's real identity which got me thinking that not everyone knows what the Emperor actually looks like. Even Lord Shi.

[honest rain]

Yeah, that's how it was in Ancient China. Emperor lived a pretty closed-off life in Imperial City, gauging the state of the world on reports from "on the ground" officials. Perceived as person closest to heavens, he was separated from the "dirts" of mundane world

At least some of the emperors that set the reputation did it

[vague granite]

That explains why none of the Imperial Guards know of Big Zhao. Only his brother, Yingying and the Triplets.

[honest rain]

Even Triplets only know his commoner persona, as sects, especially NMW, is not an official establishment and def not high enough to be anywhere near the emperor

And Yingying, I thing, only figured it out later on. After all, "this one is just a merchant"😂
(I mean, she likely had no access to the emperor => couldn't know how he looked until way later)

[vague shoal]

And master Pu if you remember who

[honest rain]

Also, I missed this, but in the end Zheng E doesn't "get" the Master of Granary title, not legally. ||Shen Yilun might've called him True Master of Grain, but that's between the two of them.|| Zheng E is legally dead. Shen Yilun is legally alive, as Zheng E stole and kept up his identity. We have the privilege of knowing what happened, as YM can't help but get involved, but for an outsider – nothing changed, Shen Yilun is the Master of grain. In the post-sidequest later we just see ||Zheng E accept that this is now his life, breaking the character of Master of Grain would go against everything he worked for and do more harm than good||

[bitter holly]

is old jin really dead? he just ask me to invest on something then he go fight a bear and died

[frail lynx]

Oh right! Now he has to be good. I guess

[honest rain]

Old Jin appeared in recent quest (the Mirage boat, about Wen Wuhen and his thief). Did the bear story appear after you did this quest?

[honest rain]

He was good, before he spiraled, he just has to tune it down on swords and magic now that he's "a normal man"

[bitter holly]

he is just telling me to go check the dock and he got killed by the bear , idk about the thief quest, what i was doing before that was the woof woof quest

[iron canyon]

a lot of people knew about ym existence but don't know who exactly ym is, so we're often recognized either by mentioning aunt han/uncle jiang or by our martial arts

[wicked prawn]

Does anyone know the story of the cascading water ruins? I tried to talk to some npcs in the swamp area. I got mentions of the Wei, Qin, and the Jiyun people (?). I was running around avoiding the rats lol.

Then its interesting that going to the swamp without the knot you are drowned by resentment of the people who died there. Then the praying shades were all facing that altar with dried up blood dripping from a large hanging body. The stone obelisk mention something about praying for the flood to cease?

There is also that tree some civilians of the ruins were worshipping. The hollow carving has the grass root but the description doesn't tell me much.

Then there's the matter of that beast at the top, at the peak with a ghost bride and a sleeping puppet. I'm guessing a war happened here but what is going on in there?

[woven sigil]

It's various cities that were built on the same spot over the centuries and fell to wars and disasters

[iron canyon]

plus their court time (not sure about the word in english but basically their working time) is pretty early, so he could come out after often around the evenings

[wicked prawn]

Oohh how are they okay building on top of each other like that?

[woven sigil]

Well IRL they wouldn't be literal giant caves lol, it's the fantasy depiction of it, same with the giant sewers underneath Kaifeng

[wicked prawn]

I was hoping the game explains that. I understand that there js fantasy but even then fantasy stories make sense. Like why are the cities built like that. What lead to the wars. What were they worshipping. Where did the flood come in. Etc. Etc.

[woven sigil]

They are historical wars, ex: Daliang was a Wei city destroyed by Qin at the end of the Warring States, Junyi was built on those ruins, etc

The deadly flooding is a natural feature of building around the Yellow River, as comes up in the villages around Kaifeng

[wicked prawn]

Ooohhh okay got it. Maybe I'll just do my own research on that.

[vague shoal]

You can look up kaifeng ruins, they are still present

[fading scroll]

What's the weird animal like thing at the end of Mistveil City?

[scarlet yarrow]

enemies in hexi region

[main karma]

But what is it? A person?

[sudden shard]

Bull or minotaur, i think these enemies will be at qingchuan iirc

[sudden shard]

Can someone spoil more about this? I'm dying of curiousity lol

[iron canyon]

actually he already appeared in the first ever cut scene ||yep lizhuo|| can't remember he's going to appear in which map but yeah this time you can stand beside him

[sudden shard]

That's cool

Btw, just visited gleaming abyss. Whose house is that, near the pond

[scenic obsidian]

So Basically the yellow river flooded the area multiple times, which resulted in there are two cities buried under the current Kaifeng City, which make the underground structure like a sandwich.

For anyone interested in WWM’s historical background but not sure where to start, check out this newly released TV drama “Swords Into Plowshares (太平年)”. It basically fills in the historical context of the 40 years leading up to WWM.

Roughly around Episode 5 is where the timeline lines up with the opening scene of the story—Uncle Jiang fleeing pursuit while carrying the main character.

The link is in the #media section

[royal plover]

What with man in the box?

[royal plover]

Its real story, everytime kaifeng have natural disaster, instead repair and rebuild the city, they make new city above it.

Archeology say it have more then 6 layer below

[royal plover]

Its alistar

[scenic obsidian]

It’s not they don’t want to rebuild, is the fact Yellow river’s water is very thick

Like clam chowder

So it’s all cover by crazy amount of mud

[royal plover]

We can assume first layer is ghost market, 2nd layer unbound cavern, other layer are mistveil city

[scenic obsidian]

Yep.

[mental ermine]

Goated drama

[wicked prawn]

whoa thats so cool. So thats why theres multiple citizens there and the resentment of the shades

[mental ermine]

Kingdom of Wei was conquered by qinshihuang way back by flooding daliang (now kaifeng) as well

[nova bluff]

||basically he is there watching the battle in Hutuo. Previously we didn't know he was there at all. Why is he there watching the North? What is he looking at? What is he waiting for? Hutuo still isn't finished in CN. We still can't access the Mountains nor the Bridge. This week or next week we will probably be able to access it.||

[royal plover]

Li zenzhen should be boss in future

[nova bluff]

There are more tragic hot Jiejie that will whoop you. Let Zhenzhen rest

[prisma sorrel]

tragic hot jiejie…..can i get some spoilers pls 👀

[nova bluff]

I think that would ruin your experience of their stories (which would be a shame) but I can provide you some images and gifs when I hop on my computer

[prisma sorrel]

That would be nice. A photo to look forward to.

[nova bluff]

I'll get back to you in a bit. I'll ping you

[hidden hearth]

wow

[prisma sorrel]

[tulip spoke]

Something I’ve been wondering is if there are going to be a 2nd tier to our already acquired martial arts mainly for the nameless sword because I feel like if you compare the movement we use for it vs how uncle jiang uses it there are some differences plus I’ve noticed that when your in the area to fight heartseaker for the first time if you choose to attack during the quest just before fighting the boss the sword moveset is different from any of them we have seen so it makes me wonder if there is maybe a different version of nameless sword that we don’t have yet

In the launch trailer too it showed the nameless sword but in the characters left hand they were holding the sheath of the sword in their hand that’s kind of my main basis on this theory though I could be wrong entirely

[plain panther]

I am a golden swan in a dark world where everything is the same.

[main karma]

What

[paper rampart]

He meant you black wherever the darkness is with you

[proper orbit]

we don't talk about swans here... only geese allowed

[main karma]

I am dum i dont know what that means eitjer

[plain panther]

I am a golden geese in a dark world where everything is the same.

[main karma]

No please dont post it again

[proper orbit]

[paper rampart]

Goose*

[plain panther]

I am a golden goose in a dark world where everything is the same.

[proper orbit]

[main karma]

Broo whwt did i doooo

[plain panther]

Everything is the same in the dark world because it's dark bruh lol no light so you can't tell what anything is

[proper orbit]

I like that

[proper orbit]

swans matter too... (don't strike me goose overlord)

[plain panther]

If swans and geese were so different, why would they both quack to my honk?

Basic fundementals.

[proper orbit]

geese and swans don't really quack, unfortunately...

you're probably a goose.. if you honk at them..

[paper rampart]

Ducks

[proper orbit]

Beijing Roast Duck.... mmmmm yummy

[proper orbit]

My goodness...

[tulip spoke]

Do any of yall keep wearing the mask after blissful retreat?

[proper orbit]

rumours have it that Khitans, and later the Jurchens, didn't want to leave Yanyun because of this... Mongols wept when they were overthrown by the Ming... because they lost their ducks forever..

rumours.. of course..

[paper rampart]

No

[proper orbit]

took it off right away...

[tulip spoke]

Is it really that bad? Like I understand the significance of it but also a lot of people recognize you anyways so I guess it doesn’t really have a point to it?

[proper orbit]

yea it doesn't really make sense ... but .. well.. they need to show that the mc is kinda leaving for good.. or maybe for a long time.. and didn't want people recognizing..

[woven sigil]

I made a fit around it just for Qinghe but it's not a great mask, the new one from Mistveil City is way better for the same idea

[tulip spoke]

Isn’t the one from mistveil city an aureatte pavilion mask?

[proper orbit]

if anybody walks around with a mask during those times... i'm pretty sure they will get reported real quick.. hahaha.. but i mean.. yea.. it's a game

well actually they probably won't get reported...

they would be mistaken for being a performer.. artisan sort of...

[tulip spoke]

I mean I guess I can wear it for Qinghe but I think my main gripe about it is finding a good hairstyle to pair it with

[iron canyon]

roasted goose is good too XD

[proper orbit]

I tried hard not to say that... to not risk incurring the wrath of the goose overlord...

[woven sigil]

being such a tiny mask means you can wear it with a hat, like the sectless one

[proper orbit]

I want to see somebody go back in time to the Five Dynasties Ten Kingdoms period, with a smartphone, and start recording the discussions the people have about fashion... talking about what is good to wear... etc.

[tulip spoke]

True though I think it would’ve been cooler if instead of a simple little face mask we maybe did something similar to the man in black at the beginning of the game if you want to hide your identity that makes much more sense but it would probably raise suspicion when your in Kaifeng

[proper orbit]

I truly believe that humans aren't that different from era to era... hmm... in some fundamental way... obviously we would have been very different culturally... but food... fashion.. etc.. hmm

[proper orbit]

haha wearing a mask in Kaifeng is fine if you're a performer on a stage.. but on the streets and especially if you are strolling near to the government bureaus... oh man..

i mean, in real life.. i think.. but in the game you can obviously flaunt your nine tails in front of the imperial guard and no one would bat an eyelid

[proper orbit]

really want some for dinner right now.. the craving is real

[tulip spoke]

Yeah lol I’ve found that pairing the mask with the taming storms outfit and a slightly different hairstyle looks better I’m not really big on the flashy fashion stuff I just wanna look like a wandering swordsman

[proper orbit]

lore-friendly fashion.. nice

[tulip spoke]

I’ve also noticed that certain npc’s have the same scar on the left side of their face like the one we have and I wonder if that’s just a facedata thing or maybe a potential bug

It kinda ruins the immersion a little bit if you see someone else that kind of looks like you with the same scar on their face

[tulip spoke]

I’m trying to keep my character lore friendly

[proper orbit]

I just choose to believe that it's a mark left on the puny humans by the goose overlord... when they are asleep...

mothers give infants to the goose overlord for branding... to bless them for life

[proper orbit]

me too... .. until i accidentally drew a cloak that seems to be constantly burning.... and it looks cool... so...

[tulip spoke]

Nameless sword and spear build the only things I really customize are my mystic skills and debate on what lightness skill my character would use I’m thinking it’s either meteor flight or thousand mile flight

[tulip spoke]

The strive for peace cloak looks really good with taming storms outfit

[proper orbit]

hmm.. now i'm curious.

boots game up to see what that is..

[tulip spoke]

That’s the outfit with the armor and eyepatch

I would boot up my game but I’ve got work to go to

[proper orbit]

you have successfully made me boot up my game...

@tulip spoke it's called "strive for peace"?

oh i see it "strife for peace" outfit

yea it is very nice.. quite subtle.. not flashy

I like the strife for peace outfit.. but only the top part.. the bottom half doesn't make sense to me..

[iron canyon]

the temptation of good food is impeccable

[tulip spoke]

Yeee

[proper orbit]

all that nicely packed medicine just getting soaked in the rain.... :/

[tardy swift]

Can you give me lore on why its so red?

[iron canyon]

i'm pretty sure its because of the lighting that makes it look redder than it seems, the skin is usually glossed during the making

[proper orbit]

crispy duck skin... is the best..

[tulip spoke]

I have alerted my local goose about your activities

[proper orbit]

geese don't concern themselves with the discriminatory acts against ducks..

so it's all good.

[tulip spoke]

Wrong bird gang 😭✌️

[nova bluff]

MC really popular with jiejies

[tulip spoke]

I feel like the nameless sword martial art isn’t at its final form yet

It would be cool if could move like uncle jiang in the boss fight with him

[mental ermine]

Infinite sword waves

[honest rain]

It's only natural that 16y/o YM doesn't have the full grasp on the swordsmanship style that belongs on the battlefield. It'd be cool to see their skill "mature" over time and get closer to uncle's style, or get some of their own "seasoning" as they adapt to challenges life throws at them🤔

[paper rampart]

They use beet

Or food colouring the same as roasted pork neck

[proper orbit]

this chat makes me hungry.. and i'm okay with that..

[plain star]

beijing roasted duck is so overprice. it's like 50$ for a single duck.
I can get a normal roasted duck for 10$, plus young bamboo soup.

[proper orbit]

i'm so gonna eat duck tonight..

thanks to you guys

[paper rampart]

Here i buy roasted duck kampung style for $9 per kg

Cheap cheap

[iron canyon]

really can't wait for these to come out I already saved a lore video of the jijie at the right bc i dont wanna spoil myself yet

[iron canyon]

all of them hit like a truck

[paper rampart]

Relax. AI is here and we can wait for robots to be our husband/wife (unlimited btw)

https://tenor.com/view/vision-marvel-gif-11970033

[fleet wolf]

and spoil each of you / us with free fancy fashion /skin 😹

[sudden shard]

Is this wolf maiden part 2?😭

[west drum]

Is murong yuan still alive

[tulip spoke]

Yesss like there’s this one move I’ve seen uncle jiang do where he dodges and slashes in a circle and hits us and it looks so cool

[nova bluff]

no

[nova bluff]

yes

[nova bluff]

when you play as Jiang he uses the same Nameless Sword Martial Arts as the one the MC uses

[left grotto]

Hi

[tulip spoke]

I know but I’m talking about the boss fight with him in the dreamscape of blissful retreat

[nova bluff]

yeah no, that was just a boss. The Nameless Martial arts the MC uses is the same one Jiang uses thats the whole point of people recognising who the MC is by their Martial Arts

because its blatantly obvious

[north trench]

nihao

[west drum]

Where ill found her

[nova bluff]

Masterwood Hamlet mission, talk to Brother Feng

[west drum]

Encounter quests ?

[honest rain]

Wandering tales – Lu and Mo debate

[west drum]

Alright

[frank summit]

Yo how did you guys trigger the encounter in the dock that you need to jump to the water at YOU time?

Mine does not work everytime I jump

[north trench]

in where wind meet video game. they(story) mentioning people have different accents from different region. i wonder do in original Chinese language they literally speak different accents or they just speak same accents but mentioning different accents

[proper orbit]

if you switch to Chinese audio, some of the characters do speak with regional accents

[north trench]

nice

[proper orbit]

but most of them seem to have the standard mandarin chinese accent.. some variations though... there are some with clear north-eastern accents

[north trench]

ooo

[crimson birch]

i also do remember the regional accent lesson from big zhao in one of the encounters in kaifeng
is it the same for that encounter quest too?

[proper orbit]

I haven't done it yet. lol

[crimson birch]

oh sure lmk your opinion when you encounter it tho no rush

[proper orbit]

can't wait to do it. i'm taking my time to explore and try to get as close to 100% as possible, starting with Qinghe.

but i'm lazy so it takes forever haha

[crimson birch]

as someone who gets distracted from exploration even when i track quests i feel ya

[mystic idol]

Kaifeng has diff accents too

the widow has a diff accent and the granny as well

WoH has typical north eastern accent

ive also heard some western accent (relative to within china, so similar to chongqing/chengdu accent) in game among some npcs iirc

and ofc the khitans (that one businessman in game for example) has an accent too, but i forget what it sounds like now

[sudden shard]

You need to jump from the bridge near the martial temple wayfarer, set it to you hour, and swim (don't use wallstride) to the mirror pond boundary stone

Go to the bridge first and set it to you hour first and then jump to the river

[sudden shard]

I didn't get that thing🤣 thankfully there is signpost nearby telling me the answer🤣

[peak lark]

[proper orbit]

The guy who gave Yanyun's 16 prefectures (The Chinese name of WWM is "The 16 Sounds of Yanyun") to the Khitans in exchange for their military aid against Later Tang, the notorious Shi Jingtang (石敬瑭), Founder and Emperor of Later Jin

[sudden shard]

Is the live action tv series based on wwm?

[proper orbit]

No. Definitely not.

But WWM is set in the same historical period as this series.

With many characters in WWM featured in the series, such as Big Zhao, Chai Rong

Shi Jingtang himself was mentioned a few times in WWM.

If i'm not wrong, the battle of Zhongdu Bridge, where Wang Qing sacrified himself, would be in this series too.

The battle where our MC would be found as a baby by Jiang Yan.. in wwm

Little Zhao should also be in this series.

Pretty sure General Shi Shouxin will be in it too..

As well as the Shimmer of the South...

Too bad Li Zuo would not be in it... because he would have been dead by then..

[main karma]

Is he pretty

[proper orbit]

lol I doubt it... this series is pretty low on the fantasy

but he probably won't be ugly

I haven't seen him in the series yet.. i'm on episode 1 lol

[pearl kraken]

what series is this from?? i'm in the mood to watch cdramas or shows recently so maybe i'd give this a shot since they're from the same hisotrical period as wwm XD

[proper orbit]

Only a few minutes in and Zhang Yanze, this guy, the military commisioner of Zhangyi Army.. is authorizing the slaughter of civilians (and use their flesh as meat) who can't afford to provide food for the army..

[proper orbit]

This is set in almost exactly the same period, with many characters that we know.

The series is called 太平年, which when directly translated to English means Peaceful Year, but.. the English title, is Swords into Plowshares

It's on YouTube

[pearl kraken]

that's awesome that it is easily accessible! thanks for sharing!! :D

[proper orbit]

You're welcome. I hope you enjoy it!

[crimson birch]

i just heard we do meet zheng e again in the future story, how long would it take and what region if anyone remember? he doesn't play that much important role anymore is that?

[scarlet yarrow]

where can i watch this?

i'm itching for a historical cdrama..

[proper orbit]

youtube. search for Swords into Plowshares

[scarlet yarrow]

nvm i backread

thank God for them uploading to youtube.. i hate going to ad infested sites

[proper orbit]

To me, YouTube is one of those sites hahaha

[strange moon]

Song dynasty is boring, tang dynasty is when china is at its peak

[celest flume]

Its either Hexi or Bujianshan
The news about it are very very little

[tulip spoke]

Well yeah but some kind of cool new flashy moveset upgrade would be sick as hell

[nova bluff]

You fight him as a boss

Lv96 10man raid boss

[nova bluff]

No

[crimson birch]

yup I do got a preview of the raid where we need competent healers to survive and win the raid but i mean more like story content

[nova bluff]

No

Not alot of recurring characters

There's Ying ying, little Zhao, brother Feng and Qianye on top of my mind

Oh I remember uncle Tian showing up

[crimson birch]

we progressed a bit then uncle tian is still in his disguise or we meet him as his boss form?

[nova bluff]

Still in his uncle form

He will show up very briefly

To introduce you to the private island you can build sh|t on

[nova bluff]

Just before you start rebuilding blissful retreat

[mystic idol]

bro this guy is always playing some bad side character. He's lowkey a really good actor though 😭 i like him

[proper orbit]

haha there are some familiar faces in the cast of this series, many of them are veteran actors.

like this guy. i'm pretty sure he acted as Sima Yi in the Three Kingdoms series.

Or this guy, who, if i'm not wrong, acted as Yong Chi in the Chu-Han Contention series

In this series, he is acting as the King of Wu Yue in the south, next to Southern Tang

This is during the Later Jin period.

Our Shimmer of the South in WWM is not ruler of Southern Tang yet

[north trench]

i wonder why shen hanying stop being leader even tho she is still alive and still keep ruling well of heaven.

wait a minute is that wang qing. uncle jiang adoptive father!!

[mystic idol]

yeah same wang qing

[wraith sigil]

that quest with the couple was really cute although ngl I was fully expecting to open the door and seeing the girl hanging from the ceiling lol

[iron canyon]

bujianshan is a fairly new region too, the story is only at the start, I think hutuo comes first after hexi so we never know

[iron canyon]

Big sad spoilers open at your own risk:
||Wang Qing is shen han ying's best apprentice, tho wangqing left the sect after. In the zhongdu bridge war, 300 WOH disciples insisted in helping wang qing, hanying couldn't stop them as they minds were set. Wang Qing also knew the disciples' character so he sent a letter, stopping them from aiding him. However, what the disciples received instead was a fake letter, and the person imitated wang qing's writing. When hanying heard the news and rushed to the battle field what she saw was her 300 disciples getting wiped out. This is also connected to the unreleased martial arts of WOH.||

[vague shoal]

Who's "the person"

[iron canyon]

||unfortunately the person is unknown but the difference of the letters can be differentiated since the person's handwriting style is still visible despite imitating, and the real letter has wang qing's stamp on it, yet the woh disciples still decided to go because they knew it's true that wang qing is in trouble||

[vague shoal]

||those 300 WoH are the ones we saw in the new trailer right||

[iron canyon]

||yep, in the zhongdu bridge trailer||

[vague shoal]

||If only they were spartans instead, could have hold||

[wraith sigil]

||Spartans held because they had SHIELDS!||

||and I guess knowing how to hold a formation instead of going off brawling each on their own helps too||

||tantamount to having your elven archers jump over a dwarven phalanx shield wall to attack the orcs||

[vague shoal]

||yeah it looked like a street fight, doesnt bode well when ur outnumbered||

[iron canyon]

||The unreleased martial art （its called 斩雪刀法, her hair turned white in a night signifying how devastated she was）, the base was from hanying's father when he was practicing a martial art, yet he feels something was missing. After witnessing the lost of the disciples, she took up a blade everyday and eventually completed the martial art. This martial art focuses on attacks > defense, at boss execution it has the highest dmg according to what I saw. ||

[vague shoal]

||Mohist disciples got killed in the trailer too right, I read the comments and the old guy is an elder of mohist sect||

[iron canyon]

||yep, the mohist disciples also aided the battle, they lost disciples too but woh lost so much that i think they were on the verge of disbanding||

[paper rampart]

Our famous tian ying

[mental ermine]

he is

one of big zhao's sidekicks currently lmao

[mental ermine]

this actor is everywhere man

no battle of zhongdu bridge though sadly

[hidden kelp]

What year exactly is the game set in right now? The start cutscene shows 926AD but I keep hearing people throw different numbers around, like Qinghe arc we're 16 but by the time we reach Kaifeng we're 19? Where did that come from?

[vague shoal]

Isnt it 962AD?

[hidden kelp]

That's what I thought lol but I've seen some comments around (maybe reddit) saying the young master is 19 now... is that just bs or did I miss a 3 year flash forward?

[vague shoal]

I doubt there was a time skip

MC is probably still 16 or 17 at the very least

[paper rampart]

You do realise how far to travel on foot between qinghe and kaifeng right

[vague shoal]

No way you take years though

[hidden kelp]

I just realized I typed 926 instead of 962 LOL 🤦

[foggy tiger]

Mc has a horse. And within the context of the story he has met chou yuehai and presumably learnt grand lightness skills

[hidden kelp]

We should definitely be 16 and it's still 962AD since Big Zhao begins southern reunification in 963AD by conquering Jinnan and Wuping and it hasn't happened yet. (thanks Bilibili history video)

[paper rampart]

We are given a huge hint of what year already. They invented paper currency

[hidden kelp]

The game confirms which year the game starts in with the opening cutscene

It just doesn't specify how much time has passed during the main quest.

But it can be deduced with actual historical timelines as above

[paper rampart]

Wait, we already in song dynasty? 962 is already song???? HUH?

Nvm. 1 of the 5 dynasties. I forgot.

[dry tartan]

lol

[hidden kelp]

wdym? Song began in 960AD when Big Zhao took the throne

[paper rampart]

I just finished watching the fall of tang dynasty 1 hr ago. Still fresh in my mind.

[proper orbit]

The spartans wouldn't have stood a chance in that scenario. The terrain simply wasn't the same as that at Thermopylae. Thermopylae was a unique scenario that shrunk the width of the battlespace to several meters at some places. Zhongdu Bridge was a bridge with more open terrain at both sides of the bridge. Khitans had mounted archers and lots of reinforcements that they historically poured to the bridgehead that Wang Qing secured. Wang Qing's men would be attacked from a wider angle too than at Thermopylae.

[proper orbit]

Spartans didn't just held because they had shields. The Persians had shields too. Also, they actually had more than a thousand men, including the 300 Spartans, who fought a rearguard action at Thermopylae. The terrain did the Spartans a HUGE favour. Discipline and professionalism and better equipment helps too. We can't say that Wang Qing didn't hold because they don't have shields. Historical evidence had shown that Chinese infantry had used shields for thousands of years, with a wide variety of designs. They got it down to a science by that point.

[proper orbit]

Movies, TV shows, and ill-informed storytellers distort the modern person's idea of how battles were fought in ancient times. WWM's world is guilty of this too. They would show you battles that resembles brawls where 1v1 skills matter more than group tactics, equipment and discipline.

[proper orbit]

Nope. Song is not one of the 5 Dynasties during the 5 Dynasties/10 Kingdoms period. The 5 Dynasties were Later Liang, Later Tang, Later Jin, Later Han, and Later Zhou. Song came after these.

[hidden kelp]

Yeah exactly this ^ lol wasn't sure what they meant

Also I could be wrong but there isn't a precise year in for the very first appearance of paper money that I could find.

[paper rampart]

It’s easier for me to remember khitan instead.

[proper orbit]

In my mind, Wang Qing's men (and let's imagine WOH disciples were included too), would have charged the Khitans on the other side of the bridge, shocking them (Wang Qing was recorded to have used 2000 elite infantry; so most likely had better armour, shields, and weapons), and then secured their bridgehead with a shield wall, tight formation, and stayed together as best they can while blocking the hundreds of arrows shot their way by the Khitans (steppe archery..).

Apparently Wang Qing and his men held for almost a day.

So you can imagine it would not have been a brawl where people are all over the place... getting surrounded and flanked all the time.

Wang Qing would have kept his men tightly together.. guarding each other's flanks and rear..

While the Khitans, with their superior numbers, would be galloping and shooting arrows outside their formation, possibly whooping and taunting them.

[paper rampart]

Long live the Khitans

[proper orbit]

The tight and disciplined defense would have allowed Wang Qing's men to have held out as long as they did.

If they fought like they did in the WWM video irl? They would have been wiped out in minutes (in reality)

[proper orbit]

apparently they didn't live/last long 🙂

Wang Qing and his men didn't die well.. and wasn't afforded proper burial... the Khitans piled their corpses up into a mound.. (according to historical records 积其尸为京观). It was a horrible sight.

This act was meant to intimidate the Later Jin forces on the other side of the river

[hidden kelp]

yeah don't think China has good cavalry at that point. infantry vs cavalry on open plains just doesn't sound like a good combo. I feel like being obsessed with getting better horses from the west (aka the whole ahh point for starting the silk road) seems to be a common theme with Chinese history to the point the collective trauma of 'we need better horses' is so embedded into the cultural identity that people are still obsessed with horses today 😆

[iron canyon]

Sometimes things can't be presented in the most truthful way so they would tend to soften things up, knowing that different groups of people are watching/playing but i totally agree with this

[proper orbit]

Chinese cavalry, during the Tang Dynasty, was probably first-rate, probably one of the best in the world. They had good funding from the state, and had access to the best horses in that region. All was good. And they could go toe-to-toe with steppe forces. Chinese cavalry wasn't bad. Steppe cavalry is just culturally better because they literally grew up with horses and every child is a potential cavalryman, plus they have access to cheap and good horses. So when Tang fell, the Five Dynasties was deprived of access to great horses, and didn't have the logistical system that maintained the elite Tang cavalry.

And you're right to point out that infantry is at a great disadvantage in open terrain when there's cavalry around..

[proper orbit]

Yea, absolutely. I understand why WWM did it the way they did. If everyone thinks battles are like that.. then everyone will portray it this way..

Besides, it serves the story well

The key point in that video was to show the bravery, sacrifice, and tragedy at the end. And the video conveyed that sufficiently.

But since some folks earlier started to attribute the failure to a lack of shields and 1v1 brawling, i feel we should point out that they didn't fail because of these factors lol (historically)

[iron canyon]

battles, especially wars are a whole scale than that there are even more factors and details that has to be considered

[proper orbit]

@hidden kelp if you're interested in these tactical aspects, you can see lots of evidence of how devastating cavalry can be in the Napoleonic battles. Both Napoleon and Wellington places great emphasis on cavalry being the decisive factor; infantry and artillery can win the battle but cavalry makes it decisive haha

[proper orbit]

exactly yea

I used to jokingly say to my friends during discussions of wuxia that if the mountain sects (like Wudang, Huashan, Emei) actually went to battle like the way they were described to have in those novels, they would have been clad in armour and carried shields lol

[paper rampart]

500 years seems good enough

[proper orbit]

To be fair, the Khitans didn't just simply vanish or went extinct or something. They kinda just melted into the genetic sea of Northern China and Mongolia, and various other places they wandered to, and ceased existing as a distinct genetic group today. They live on in the DNA ocean lol

[paper rampart]

Same goes for all dynasties

[proper orbit]

Dynasties? Dynasties and ethnicity are quite different entities though.

[iron canyon]

i suppose he's refering to the bloodline(?

[proper orbit]

Probably

Yea. Maybe one of you has Big Zhao's DNA in you... maybe like 0.0001% of it

starts randomly throwing chickens at people in an argument

[iron canyon]

that scene really made me crack up, especially knowing who big zhao is and hes casually throwng chickens and geese on the guards😭

[proper orbit]

LOL

yea I love that scene!

[hidden kelp]

500 years? Khitan Liao is 916-1125... my math ain't good but that's only ~200 years?

[proper orbit]

knowing who he is, it is not surprising that he would have the guts to throw chickens at soldiers in the imperial capital

[hidden kelp]

chickens *and * geese

[proper orbit]

probably meant the ethnicity... idk..like as an ethnic group... but not 500 years.. maybe longer than that..

The "emperor mingling amongst the common folk under disguise" is a common trope in chinese storytelling lol

[paper rampart]

That is 大辽

[iron canyon]

i wonder if those soldiers know abt it😭

[proper orbit]

lol it's like a CEO disguising himself as an intern and going to one of his branch offices to observe his employees in action

[paper rampart]

What I mean is 契丹

[proper orbit]

if they knew they would be scrambling far far away .. keeping a wide berth... or kneeling and begging for mercy

If Big Zhao did it too often, the whole city would just be playing along.. like the Emperor's new clothes thing... just pretending to not recognize him hahahaha

[hidden kelp]

the soldiers didn't seem to recognize him, at least not the foot soldiers. they are probably far enough down at the totem pole to not have seen the emperor close up in person but I was surprised the fake Lord Shi didn't seem to recognize him

or maybe he was just so distracted by Big Zhao's physique in Velvet Shade robes lmao

[iron canyon]

imagine when lil zhao first saw his brother in those robes

[proper orbit]

I would be mentally scarred for life if I ever saw my brother in those clothes....

[hidden kelp]

Lil Zhao went through the 5 stages of grief in 3 miliseconds

[proper orbit]

even worse when he actually acts all cute and seductive..

[hidden kelp]

it's so funny in hindsight

[proper orbit]

mass facepalm moment for the entire Song court..

[iron canyon]

luckily there's no such thing as social media and phones in the past😭

[hidden kelp]

but there is the Eastern Herald! time to write an article

[mental ermine]

Kara khitai

[limpid wolf]

Honestly, I want some more quests with Khitans or Kthitan bosses

[mental ermine]

No more big boy deguang

Feng dao talking to him about farming is a mood

[nova bluff]

you fight Khitans in Hutuo

their mounted units are annoying to AOE kill, but you have to hunt them down because theyre carrying the treasure chests lol

[scarlet yarrow]

when will thet include liao capital

[half hinge]

Hiya, long time no see! ^^
I finally moved forward with story, buried the ones who fell down during raid attack and finished some more quests in Qinghe while donning Ruby's bracelet and goose pouch (I'm not gonna take off the bracelet ever 😭).

"Voices in the Air" kinda pick my interest because I saw some references to the Deer Immortal there, is it Liu Quanyi who is guiding us to the top of Mang Mountain? Could voices of Master Void and Master Null belong to other Immortals? I'm curious of your opinions about this quest, it seems that Mang Mountain is real so also would appreciate if anyone familiar with it told if there were any local news about that place~

[nova bluff]

Imperial Palace Pre-DL is up

[north trench]

aaaaaa 962 vs 969

i already ask customer service about it

[half hinge]

That's why I was confused about this date after introduction movie.
I told myself that date, shown on the screen, was a time when our MC was still a kid (bubble showed how Jiang Yan settled in Bamboo Abode, lived there as Jiang Wulang and trained us, we seemed like 10-year old child back then) and time moved on, so like 6 years later - ca. 968 CE we visited his abandoned hut in hopes he might come back after over 3 years of absence... but tbh whole timeline is messed up with what Gu Le and other important NPCs mention about events that happened either 10 or 16 years ago

[north trench]

yeah that the thing the date 962 is showing at mc childhood then she grow up quickly. which would make sense if she now a 16/17 at 969 which make mc age at 962 childhood around 9 year old.

this date 969 make sense if at mc childhood is really at 962. but if now is 962 that mean the game intro put a date at abit of wrong time because that time she is child

dev do something!!!

[half hinge]

It looked to me like uncle Jiang entered Bamboo Grove in 962 and settled in.

[limpid wolf]

I dont think we are ever seeing beijing

[north trench]

i just found nine mortal way. this guy name yuan chengsi. he impersonates fang chengsi(well of heaven disciples) you know nine mortal way type thing. hahaha

[half hinge]

Oh, it's part of encounter in Witherwilds ^^

[vague shoal]

Havent done that encounter quest yet, but liu qingyi was known as deer immortal I think

[strange tinsel]

Do you have to speak Chinese to understand the lore?

[half hinge]

I had issues to start this encounter but when I entered Flower Expanse during Zi hour from Blissful Retreat (while having Moonlit Flower Seed in my inventory), it finally popped up ^^

[vague shoal]

The seed you have to pick up from lizhenzhen's cave right?

[scarlet yarrow]

how about jiangnan or later shu?

[half hinge]

Yup, I think these flowers made our MC increase reaction to our senses and improve spiritual awareness of sounds.
It's still a pity I was unable to see a cutscene of Bellman's Oath (maybe it could tell me more), it was bugged for me 🙁

[vague shoal]

Just have to youtube it no other way

[half hinge]

I'm kinda curious if this quest has something to do with Pangu and divide of realms to earth and heavens.

[half hinge]

I can always create another character on my account with multiple characters but not sure if they share all progression or it's going from scratch again (I think I'm too lazy for that atm ^^)

[vague shoal]

from scratch

[edgy mountain]

no, but a lot of the writing is based around real events in ancient china and many of the words used have entirely new meanings in chinese, which end up being relevant to the context. Character names arent random, for example.

The EN Localization team does its best but its nearly impossible to convey the entire picture through a different language, a lot is lost or will land differently. A popular example is the way Aunt han lover wrote in his letter, which sounds edgy in english but it shouldn't at all

[half hinge]

You can always ask here if you don't understand something, this community is great and will point you to any stuff you'd like to learn about. I personally play with Chinese audio and English subtitles, translation isn't top notch and I'm often confused but so far I had problems only with understanding few inscriptions on the stone tablets (due to bad translation), wrong pronouns are the real deal so you sometimes end with he/she in the descriptions of NPCs, your char is often addressed as either he and she (despite your chosen gender).

I'm still not sure if Unfated Tian is male or female, they're displayed in text as "he" and "she" so hard to say for me. There are references that he knows women very well but who knows, they've been a doctor for many years already so their patients could teach them a lot! 😄

[north trench]

yo chat i help grandma shi shinniang become young again in where win meet

[foggy tiger]

Depending where u are in progression u can pick up letters in the clinic or underground that talk about doc tian's own thoughts that should give u some ideas

[half hinge]

I'm on my way to Kaifeng and used a boat from Harvestfall Village so I visited Still Shore already ^^
I just wasn't sure what gender they're assigned to, some documents told "he", some were about "she" and "her" 😄
I even started thinking that calling doctor Tian a female was a mistranslation with wrong pronouns~

[iron canyon]

don't be shy to ask around, people here are willing to help since it's understandable that localization is tough

[iron canyon]

i couldn't find the english version of the letter (probably because i didn't collect it yet but i can provide the chinese version if you're interested)

[north trench]

unfaded tian

is unfaded tian a same person with tian ying?

[iron canyon]

different, unfated tian is the one at the evencare clinic

[north trench]

oh thanks. i meet unfaded tian do zhengzheng quest

also stealing from his clinic for some reason

[honest rain]

Just same surname

[iron canyon]

their tian is a different tian, unfated tian is 天不收 while tianying is 田英

[half hinge]

I'm unable to read Chinese but if you have anything related to original source, sure ^^
other people might be able to translate it

[honest rain]

Yeah, just same english-wise

[honest rain]

Oooooh, we discussed it and original source, just give me a sec to pull it up

As far as discussion goes, both eng and cn texts consistently use male pronouns for him, some people in the fandom are just being mean-spirited about some details

[proper orbit]

Chinese -> English Localization is incredibly challenging
Unfated Tian, being 天不收, should translate to Unacceptable by Heaven(Sky). Whereas Unfated seems to be more like 天无缘

And Unfated Tian and Tian Ying has different "last" names

Unfated Tian -> 天 (Sky or Heaven)
Tian Ying -> 田 (Field)

[half hinge]

I remember I saw some topic on Reddit about Unfated Tian, post addressed Chinese text missing from English version of compendium
I'll quote it since link will be censored most likely...

1. “Just like Unfated Tian himself, spending every night in the well, carefully pretending to be someone he wasn’t.”

The original Chinese text has clearly mentioned “伪装成男人”(pretending to be a man) here, which literallly confirms that Unfated Tian’s male identity is a long-term disguise.

2. “They could be the doctor and the tavern owner people whispered about, secret partners in the underworld, or the ‘perfect couple’ the neighbors tried to match up.”

The Chinese original uses the phrase “‘郎’才女貌” (a perfect match of a talented man and a beautiful woman), with the“郎”(a male) placed in quotation marks here, which refers that the 'man' is actually not a man.

3. “In the end, two hearts could come as close as possible, but always stop just short — close enough to almost touch, forever a step apart.”

The original text here specifically refers to “两个女人的心”(two women’s hearts), not just “two hearts.” This suggests that Unfated Tian, as a woman, can share intimacy, trust, and emotional closeness with Han Xiangxun — everything except the status of being a lover.

[honest rain]

This post #📖lore-chat message addresses the two instances that indicate Dr.Tian is not cis.male, BUT the first point commits that cn. text of "Frost beneath the well" is written in 1st person, so it isn't "(...) disguising herself as a man.", but "I spent nights hiding inside the well, disguising myself as a man."

Also it's kinda funny that of all things eng translation decided to censor this specific subplot

English "spent nights sitting near the well pretending to be the man he wasn't." can easily be read as "man in love, pretending to be not in love", and the other 2 points are also much more straightforward

[iron canyon]

yep, this basically explains everything but it might be because of the translation lost the actual meaning hasn't been conveyed fully (which is a pain, because a slight difference in a word usage can bring a totally different meaning🥹 )

[iron canyon]

sometimes things can be intepreted in various ways, so its hard to capture it and cause misunderstandings

[honest rain]

Still hate how they translated Tian Bushou as "Unfated Tian", like why of all joke names you decide to keep only this one

[half hinge]

I remember some text about Xianniang or something like that while exploring Still Shore, maybe that's the real identity of doctor Tian 😄
I'll check some recordings and see if I am able to find it

[iron canyon]

tianbushou is not really a normal name to begin with, and i think they wanted to translate it in a way that sounds more natural an also tied to her story

[honest rain]

Weird or not, cn text treats it as a normal name (grammatically), while when they try to do it with "Unfated Tian" in the english text, it's all clunky

Esp when english has a 【surname "nickname" name】structure ready to be used

[nova bluff]

||Oh man, theyre making us collect the names of all who died in Zhongdu for the memorial|| 😭

[half hinge]

Ok, I guess it's not about Unfated Tian.
Jade hairpin reminded me about Lady Ugly, I hope it's not about her deal with Auntie Han~

[honest rain]

It's just 3y from current time (962CE), while Dr.Tian has grown adopted kids🤔

Probably these are an early hint at Velvet Shade's connections with Water Lady

[north trench]

is unfated his literal name or just title

what i mean is is 无缘 wuyuan his literal name or title

if wuyuan his literal name then they making mistakes by translating it i gues

[nova bluff]

WoH instinction event 😭

other sects are here too, ill make sure to get all of them

[north trench]

what that logo above their head

is that well of heaven logo

[nova bluff]

for inscription, youre gathering the names of those who will die in the battle

[north trench]

what battle?

[nova bluff]

Zhongdu

[north trench]

aren't battle of zhongdu already happen what you mean will oh wait this is china server this must mean prequel quest!!!

did we play as jiang yan or something?

[nova bluff]

no

[north trench]

aaaa

[mystic idol]

🥹

couldnt give them a proper burial

at least theyd be remembered

[nova bluff]

Ranging Tides

Its mostly Raging Tides, WoH and Moshandao

[north trench]

anyway i just beat tian ying. do mc really beat him tho. aren't in lore he strong af?.

[north trench]

do you play as what character?. does the mc time travel of something

[iron canyon]

无缘 is what it means if we translated unfated back to chinese, i have no idea why the devs decided to translate tianbushou as unfated tian, but what i feel is they want to relate his name to his story

[nova bluff]

the MC

[north trench]

please tell me his story

[north trench]

time travel?

[iron canyon]

its really sad thinking about the aftermath...

[mystic idol]

he lets us beat him. He needed to “die” so he can reset and retire the Tian Ying identity and continue his mission as spy in Khitan

[iron canyon]

@north trench you can read this one, it pretty much explains his story

[mystic idol]

yeah 🥲 makes me feel for the sect leader too knowing she was too late

[nova bluff]

no. Hexi also happens in the past. No time travelling

[north trench]

oooo. aren't you mean mioshan identity?

[north trench]

what is hexi?

[nova bluff]

Hexi Corridor

[north trench]

what is that

[nova bluff]

its a place in china

[mystic idol]

miaoshan identity can easily disappear but it was more important for people to think tian ying died because his name was tied to the khitan envoy assassination years before

[mystic idol]

Region after kaifeng in game, real place in china

[north trench]

oooo

[north trench]

so the next battle of zhongdu. no bridge

[mystic idol]

its through that lead that aureate pavillion was hunting him

[north trench]

okeh

[nova bluff]

no

[iron canyon]

i just summarized the story earlier for someone else, and it really makes my heart heavy🥹 the unreleased martial arts is also tightly connected

[north trench]

unfated tian is a women now?

[iron canyon]

hes refering to hexi, the battle took place in zhongdu bridge

[iron canyon]

she has always been, but she was disguising herself as a man all along

[mystic idol]

yeah the heng dao

[half hinge]

I'm not sure, Unfated Tian isn't in Blissful Retreat and Evercare Clinic, it's managed by Yaoyao while doctor is away.

[north trench]

so what quest make us figure out that he still alive

[mystic idol]

I wonder if global localization didnt miss the context by accident, but rather chose to censor it for fear of global lash back on anti-lgbtq themes being in the game (even tho its in a historical context)

[north trench]

future battle of zhongdu also with bridge

[mystic idol]

Once you complete all dark surge in qinghe he is revealed putting on a new disguise and leaving for khitan

I recommend checking out youtube for some story summarizations

They can explain everything to you in good detail and often prepares it in an easy to digest manner (i.e. chronologically)

[north trench]

what quest make us figure out that unfated tian is women disguise as men

[nova bluff]

No the region after Hexi is Bujianshan

Hexi is split into 3 parts

Yumen Pass, Liangzhou and Qinchuan

[north trench]

battle of hexi

[nova bluff]

Hutuo is part of Bujianshan

not geographically

Bujianshan

[north trench]

modern day hu tuo.. i get that when give 5 like

[nova bluff]

Hutuo

Hutuo is set in the past

just before the Battle of Zhongdu Bridge

after the Khitans has already occupied parts of hutuo

[north trench]

i think i got wrong name

what the name showing after give 5 like to healer. modern day......

[nova bluff]

Hexi is not part of the Mainstory and takes part in the past

Hexi is what you call a filler arc

[north trench]

i just gonna go hurt my character then call doctor and give 5 like then screen shot to see what the name was

[peak perch]

[nova bluff]

hey karu

[nova bluff]

@peak perch raging tides member preparing to die

[peak perch]

Shiii

[vast glade]

the context is still there,you can overheard women in the clinic talk about how he's (or she in this case) extremely good at dealing and reassuring his female patients,as if he experienced it himself (their words not mine)

[mystic idol]

yeah but its more ambiguous, seeing as how some people are still unsure haha

like i wonder if english localization team thought “oh no what if we get canceled for this”

[honest rain]

It's like a lot of eng translation has a lot of machine/AI translations, but for this subplot someone specifically took a close look and made manual corrections

They can censor Dr.Tian, but they can't even correct pronouns for Ruzhi in compendium and for triplets in Xue Chou's journal

(I'll see myself out)

[crimson birch]

just like the twelve years of feud quest? it's set in the past? so only the region after hexi is a continuation of the main story?

[nova bluff]

correct, Bujianshan will be main story

we have like 1/4, or around that amount, of Bujianshan story out

Hexi takes place in the past

[crimson birch]

ah no wonder you call it filler arc

tho if something is filler it's almost always because something devasting is going to happen next...

is that the case for Bujianshan ?

[nova bluff]

Bujianshan is nowhere near finished so who knows. But familiar faces will be around

even evil ones

whole of Hexi is a tragedy

[crimson birch]

better prepare our tissues then...

[nova bluff]

Hexi's

Hexi

Bujianshan

Hutuo

[hidden kelp]

If you look closely it shows the bamboo hut reflection in the raindrops reversing from dilapidated to fully functional during the childhood flashback so it means the child sequence is the memory.

[mystic idol]

hexi hits me so hard

😔

my favourite region so far storywise

[hidden kelp]

It's 962, the Chinese version is correct lol they should fix that typo

[nova bluff]

Hexi hits different

[royal plover]

Need explaination with shadow in bloom, a lost chapter.

What this about

Suddenly their char qin roulin, is she had big part in the future?

[mystic idol]

wait I’m gonna dm you something about hexi hahaha

[nova bluff]

sure

[hidden kelp]

The Chinese version of a compendium entry. #📖lore-chat message

[hidden kelp]

Forget the compendium or journal, the pronouns are messed up even in the main quest 🤣 My female character got referred as 'he' multiple times esp in Kaifeng arc

[hidden kelp]

That's so pretty wth did the graphics improve?

[nova bluff]

short answer yes

[honest rain]

The problems with fem.MC pronouns are in so many games with choice of MC gender, it made me blind😭

[wraith sigil]

Pronouns are well they can be differentiated他 vs 她 but like 他 is very acceptable for both as well

We don’t really care much for pronouns so in translations it gets mixed if they are working with no context

It’s not as eye catching as a he called she out she called her

Sure 她 if you want to stress they are female but using 他 for both is perfectly fine.

[north trench]

i feel like some quest is perfectly fit if the mc is female and some quest is perfectly fit if mc is male

[wraith sigil]

Bruh female melon voice is top tier

That sass

[north trench]

who melon

[wraith sigil]

Highly recommend all to female melon

[north trench]

aunty han!!!!! is that you!!!!???

[wraith sigil]

Melon is the MC there’s a whole meme and story behind that but not important

Young Master = 少東家 sounds like 燒冬瓜 = roasted winter melon = male melon and female melon

[half hinge]

Oh, you're actually right. I guess that it must have been our MC walking to Bamboo Abode back then before we were attacked by "unknown" wanderer and our pendant was stolen.

[wraith sigil]

Female melon voice in the newest lost chapter quest was so good

[north trench]

oh

referencing she say oh

[wraith sigil]

The way she looks down the patheticness and spineless ness of the dude

Yeah her Ohs was amazing

I also like the scene of the dad beating the son, that guy needs an Oscar

On one side he’s beating the son on another he’s coming up with excuses for him, making it hard for the other guy to place blame

I was like this guy knows how to put on a show

[sudden shard]

We can see the ship outline from flower expanse beyond 👀

[nova bluff]

just recently, not before the big update

global now has Bujianshan files in it

[north trench]

my coment on it is. why father shen is so tyrant treat shen yu badly. but when he just found out that it actually xiao shi that meet his daughter at night he suddenly forgiving him

patriarchy thing i guess

[mystic idol]

YESSS i really like the female melon va hahahhaa

[icy lake]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1464561996442763334 . Feel like a true immortal take pictures on the sky fly where ever you want

[wraith sigil]

It’s because Xiaoshi is a nobleman

He was mad that she stepped out of line but more so that she chose to associate with what he thought was lower class stock

Turns out the guy was a noble man and her probable fiancé then it become much less problem

Also it’s harder back then than now to condemn other people’s children especially when they are already being punished and beaten

It was a world of etiquette rather than liability and lawsuits today

So it’s hard for him to say well your son did wrong let’s see some compensation when the guy is already getting beat infront of him and both houses are noble houses

Unless you are outright having a blood feud noble relations need to be maintained nobly and that means taking a step back when the situation calls for it.

[north trench]

woooo

now i get more of the context

hah finally i got screen shot it a modern day hua tuo

[wraith sigil]

Papa Xiao went out of his way to be super extreme angry to make it super awkward for Papa Shen To say or do anything

Like in that particular situation the only proper thing Papa Shen can do is be like “ well no harm no foul, it’s not so bad etc.” literally anything else he does would make him look really petty and bad

[mystic idol]

hua tuo is not hu tuo

[north trench]

i want the ability to speak Chinese i have resources but i am lazy... damn

[foggy tiger]

Watch some Chinese dramas on Netflix is easy way to start

Just don't expect to understand the game dialogue off that tho

[sudden shard]

It helps me to do HSK level 2 and some of the game's dialogue, although not all of them

But I know that the translation is off

[foggy tiger]

The Chinese in the game is a bit flowery, archaic poetic kind of stuff. It's not easily understandable sometimes for even native Chinese speaker

[fringe olive]

I think mc after finding aunt Han past mc will search for uncle jiang in the lore

[vague granite]

If you look past the fiction, the story is pretty much just "Make Song Dynasty Great Again"

We're low-key just helping Emperor Taizu a.k.a Big Zhao expand the Song Dynasty

Since we're still in the year 962 closing in 963 CE, it will take around 5 or 6 more seasons until the first invasion against the Khitans.

[nova bluff]

I say wait for the global server to get more stuff. It's not black and white.

The Imperial Palace will be coming soon, we just had the pre DL on the Chinese servers. I remember the Devs planning to release it around the same time for global too

[hidden kelp]

Loved the new Lost Chapter. Free mini cdrama 10/10 popcorn experience would trope again. Felt so bad for Shen Yu though, her life was basically jail.

[peak perch]

Ye agreed

[wraith sigil]

Yeah it’s like Shakespearean if i had to make an analogy

[wraith sigil]

Yet if not for the jail she’d never met her bird

Fate work in mysterious ways

[wraith sigil]

What year did big zhao die and little zhao take over again

I mean it’s not really make Song great again, the song hasn’t even gotten to be great yet

Song barely found its footing

[north trench]

chat there is two YouTube video explaining tian ying story one is 30 minutes other one is 40 minutes. which one should i watch maybe both i guess

[vague shoal]

Yeah Song wasn't a great dynasty