📖lore-chat

[fading scroll]

Oh so the rumors were that they had a different kind of relationship was it? And it's not true? I was very confused when I first heard this conversation. I even asked here back when I first saw this

[honest rain]

They aren't in relationship, at least not the kind the dialogue implies. Zhang Cuo and Zheng E were both adopted by Feng Yi and Zhu Yu. They are, in fact, much closer than one would expect from sons of noble houses on opposite sides of Kaifeng, but that's because they're adopted brothers. The fact is somewhat known in North, where Dragon Hall was operating and where they grew up, but not so much in other parts of Kaifeng, so their bond creates some confusion in commonfolk (especially when the people are bored and upset with politics, lol, then all sorts of stories might fill the air)

And Ghost Master, and Void King, and Ye Wangshan. YM saw a clearly cursed object in obviously cursed location, and though "gotta check it out"

[echo remnant]

Okay void king

There was no talking that one out

Mc wanted to find a cure, which was fair enough

And then got attacked because he looks too much like his uncle

[honest rain]

But there was, in fact, option to not go into suspicious religious cave

[fading scroll]

that's the same answer I got before, that Zhang Cuo was his adopted brother. At that point I didn't know much about them. It's just I couldn't think of a reason why such a rumor would spread

[echo remnant]

But he could’ve saved lives !!

(Also it’s funny that if the village chief kills the two village members, then you steal from the chief in front of their “corpses” they stand up accusingly)

[honest rain]

I mean, if you hear "Zhang and Zheng have been seen together", and you don't know the story only that Zhang family is local and Zheng family is from across the country, and you're upset with certain Zhang's policies.... yeah, I can see how certain rumors could happen

[echo remnant]

Quick question zhang cuo was the guy we tried to save from zheng e right

The lord of the granary

Or am I getting a third party mixed up

[honest rain]

That's Shen Yilun! (Much worse for Zheng E's psyche)

[echo remnant]

I uh don’t recall this Zhang cuo from the flashback

[honest rain]

Zhang Cuo is the guy with big green mask in Heroes Assembly

[honest rain]

The Flashback is mere hours before Zheng E got adopted by Zhu Yu

[echo remnant]

Oh

Wait so post bandit raid, zhu yu adopts zheng e and shen yiling?

[honest rain]

Just Zheng E, Shen Yilun was left to return to his family (you know, the ones that are still alive)

[echo remnant]

Hm alright

Okay so I was under the impression that, Zheng E takes the identity of Shen Yilun

To do his scheme, before we catch him

When did the transition into Zheng E publicly being the lord of the normal granary happen

Because I remember the mc telling him to keep up the facade but I might be misremembering this part

[honest rain]

Or he was picked up by family later, as we know he spent some time on the burnsite and found a pendant he always kept on his person [they're so sentimental, Zheng E uses the fan Shen Yilun gifted him, Shen Yilun kept the pendant]

[honest rain]

He didn't, only select few know that Zheng E switched places with Shen Yilun. For everyone else it's business as usual with Master Shen

And if you complete a delivery side-quest, you get a letter and YM remarks smth along the lines "Well, I'm glad Zheng E made peace with Master of Grain identity"

[echo remnant]

Then

Why would he mention lord Zheng with the context of reasonable pricing of grain

He seems to have a public position in the ever normal granary that has actual power

[honest rain]

There is other dialog talking about how Zhang Cuo brought some agricultural advice from "his buddy Zheng", so I think people think Zhang Cuo is taking advice from lord Zheng [as in, heir/head of the noble family Zheng]

Give me a second, I'll make Zheng E timeline

[echo remnant]

Wait what so this cozy relationship isn’t with zheng e?

[honest rain]

The relationship between Zheng and Zhang are cozy, but not the type of cozy affair the NPCs are implying, they're just adopted brothers

[echo remnant]

Yeah that seems fine but you said something about this lord Zheng in the dialogue being about the heir of a family

Which… I don’t think zheng e quite is

[honest rain]

He's heir of Zheng family (the family destroyed by fire), not Zhu/Feng/River Master family

[echo remnant]

Okay so lord zheng only refers to his status as heir of the zheng family

[honest rain]

As 1st and only surviving son of at the time Head of Zheng house, I'm p sure it makes him the heir

[echo remnant]

I guess zheng e could be slowly promoting himself from his other identity

Until “shen yilung” resigns

[honest rain]

I mean, he is still in high society, so not that many promotions to get

[honest rain]

• early time, Zheng family is a big noble clan, Shen family is a common family that lives nearby. Zheng E, Zheng Ran and Shen Yilun meet at school and become friends
  ||- a few years pass, famine strikes. As noble family, Zhengs have much more resources, but they've got a full village to feed for unknown length of time, so they're rationing. Children of Zheng family charitably give some of their rations to people who need it more. From some people's POV it looks like they're rolling in grain while everyone else starves
• Shen Yilun's brother gathers some mercs and attacks Zheng family estate, burning everything
• From the burnt manor, Zheng E is taken in by Zhu Yu as her student. (From here on, story treats him as part of the family, so I guess it counts as adoption)
• some time passes. Zheng E, Feng Ruzhi and Zhang Cuo grow up together as siblings
• as the situation in Mistveil forest gets worse, Sun Yuan and Zhu Yu pick up their personal students (Zhai Xu and Zheng E respectively) and a few Silver Needles members to form a research team on Dawn-to-Dusk
• as tensions grow, Zhu Yu returns to her swordsman career, and ofc she brings he student with her
• I'm p sure Zheng E saw Zhu Yu die on battlefield, but don't quote me on this
• somewhere this on previous two points Zheng E gets reputation of "Zheng the Frostwing" as he's a pretty strong young swordsman
• with Zhu Yu's death and Heavenfall in famine, Zheng E spirals. He (maybe with input from Ember and Shimmer) makes up a plan of taking over the Ever-Normal Granary, fakes his death||
• Basically what you know from Zheng E-Shen Yilun plot happens here

@echo remnant hope this helps

[echo remnant]

This is really helpful

Thank you

[honest rain]

No problem

Any point here could be expanded, so feel free to ask

[hazy minnow]

Guys, who is the ninja in the prologue who stole our pendant? Someone told me it was Jiang is that true? And what was the reason behind it?

[iron canyon]

not to mention ruzhi's only 16 zhuyu's influence is so big that everything crumbled when she's gone

[iron canyon]

it was pretty obvious that it was jiang I think (we dont know why he disappeared, but he mainly did that to protect us because the jade pendant signifies our identity)

[hazy minnow]

Are we part of General Wang Qing who was killed by Uncle Jiang?

[proper orbit]

It may be more accurate to say that General Wang Qing, like in actual history, was killed by the Khitans at the Battle of Zhongdu Bridge. What Jiang Yan killed was a zombified Wang Qing.

MC was not a member of General Wang Qing's unit, or at least.. not as an adult member... since MC was found as a baby on the battlefield by Jiang Yan

It is actually very easy to pronounce Yao2 Yao4Yao

The first Yao is a family name, while the second and third characters mean "medicine" in Chinese. They have the same pronunciation but in different tones

You see a lot of "Yao" in names in this game or elsewhere, and quite often they are different characters

But in English they can only be written as Yao...

Since different chinese characters have different meanings... English readers will never be able to know what the name means just by looking at the romanized word.

For example, this vendor in Qinghe, is Xiao Yao...

Yao in this name... seems the same as Yao from Yao Yaoyao's name.

But it's a different character.

It is 遥 instead of 姚 or 药

[echo remnant]

I know, I myself am Chinese

The difficult part would be formally declaring her name

Because you need to take a pause between the first yao to distinct itself from the second and third yao lmao

[proper orbit]

she can say "你好，我姓姚，叫药药" hahah

actually, in chinese, each word would be distinct

Yao2 Yao4 Yao (the last one would be toneless)

So you don't need to pause

[celest flume]

Cuz he wanted to protect us
Enemies recognize the mc by the jade pendant thats why unc Jiang stole it

[echo remnant]

Lowkey what’s the point of the jade

Jiang didn’t want to bring it when he reached Tian Ying

Water lady for some reason refuses to hide it herself

[vague shoal]

We will find out when game's EOS

[echo remnant]

And the mc is left zero information on what to do with it

Actually I lied the only purpose so far is to list the character’s name

[celest flume]

Watch lore on yt maybe it explains better

[hidden kelp]

Yao^3 she's so asian she's a math function

[proper orbit]

To an English observer it would be a cube... but to a Chinese reader it would be 姚药^2

[hidden kelp]

yeah I know, I can read ~70% Chinese 🤣 it was just funny the first time I saw her name in Eng

[proper orbit]

lol ikr it was funny to me too

I saw what the devs were doing

they made a lot of puns in this game.. which would totally be missed by the majority of the english speakers

It would be really nice if switching languages can be done with just a hotkey..

[slow dagger]

Yeah dw

[hidden kelp]

I wish my chinese literacy was better tbh. i think I'm still missing a lot of stuff that'd be very familiar to someone who has gone through cn education system 😭

[near kraken]

Yeah that definitely is a plus

I consume a lot of chinese media and online literature/novels so the small pop culture references here and there are so fun to notice

For example the tomb robbing encounter in Kaifeng has the 4 tomb robbing sects from Ghost Blows out the Candle

[warm vortex]

I don't think we know for sure. There could have been information Jiang Yan had got recently that made him decide to take it. I don't think we know if he gave and made us that jade or if it was on us when he found us. It was certainly to protect us, and I imagine he disguised himself because he knew the MC would want to follow and get involved. But the context around it all I think we'll just have to wait and find out.

[worn moon]

Is there a summary of Mistveil City's lore? Or is the city all fake like the nine mortal ways NPC said when we came out?

[nimble pilot]

What are the Boundary Stones in the lore?

[foggy tiger]

The 9mw one is fake ofc. The actual one is the girl gets sold and becomes a ghost bride. In other words marry a dead guy and she is killed with poisoned wine thereafter so they can be buried together

[worn moon]

So all the shadow enemies that you encounter in the mistveil city are fake too?

[foggy tiger]

Shadow enemy?

oh wait by mistveil city u mean the new dungeon with lots of chest

i havent done that

[vast glade]

it's likely a macguffin like the ancient medallion from Punch up that makes the true owner uber broken in terms of potential

[surreal summit]

bruh idk where the 44th chest in the mistveil city

[real kite]

i just finished the main story. I now understand more that a terrible ending can ruin what could be a great story overall

[shell gate]

You all say he did it to protect us but if you understood Chinese lore you would all know that Jade pendants were given to children usually by their mothers for protection.

A jade pendant often signifies a connection to heaven and typically had revered symbols of protection, virtue, and status, believed to ward off evil spirits, bring good luck, and promote health…

So was it truly taken to protect us? Or was this what set us on our path of fighting demons?

[foggy tiger]

The main story isn't close to finishing

U just finish a chapter

[worn moon]

yes, that place doesn't seem like a fake prank at all

[elder osprey]

How can I replay quests?

[lavish meadow]

It's not. They didn't know they built the set on top of a cavern that leads into Daliang, a Warring States-era city that Kaifeng was built on top of.

Kaifeng in real world was in fact founded on top of several city ruins that were built during different eras

[royal plover]

Do you think encounter parallel to main story?

[jaunty ocean]

How to fight npc nimble in nine mortal ways in ghost market? She refuses everytime i try to spar her

[iron canyon]

this is not rlly the right place to ask but you need to wear clothes first else she wouldn't spar w you

[iron canyon]

encounters are more like some side quests from npcs but certain encounters does give info that are related to the main story

[worn moon]

I see, thanks!

[iron canyon]

if i wasn't wrong from the cutscenes i saw somewhere there was a shot of the baby holding the jade pendant and chewing on it, so i think its more likely that we already have it when he found us

[iron canyon]

and a lot of them are hella funny too😭

[jaunty ocean]

tks man

[honest rain]

Damn, it might be a bit meta, but kinda funny that the moment uncle took the protection pendant, the YM immediately "got possessed" by the player

Probably nothing but a funny coincidence

[crimson birch]

This is so funny esp when you hear two npcs talking about how YM got powerful abilities so quickly that they say it's like lighting striked him and he suddenly was able to master martial arts, something is strange

[honest rain]

Poor YM, he really get deltarune'd

Feng Yi needs a training from YM on how to cope with grief in constructive ways

[crimson birch]

with no context, you would think shimmer of the south is the matchmaker here

[crimson birch]

yes pls YM got his home village burned, his sister died while trying to get them escape, uncle jiang hasn't come back in 3 years, aunt han is gone, yi dao died protecting us. YM experiencing this at the ripe age of 16-17 and still going around amazes me and also mades me worry for the little kid T0T

[honest rain]

Also, Dr.Tian gone, no reliable adult left in sight

I'm kinda glad big Zhao picked him up almost as soon as he stepped foot in Kaifeng, YM was left so alone...

[honest rain]

The gossip sessions between Shimmer and Ember must go so hard, oh I wish to be the fly on the wall there

[crimson birch]

YM is a budding youngling in the sense that he have the innocence of a pure hearted child but we know not everyone still have that kind heart, that's why I was so worried for the kid when they first arrived in Kaifeng. Kinda glad we displayed Uncle Jiang's blade martial skills or if not, we'd probably will not be picked up by Big Zhao that much.

[honest rain]

At least he got a bit of reality check with Yingying, he was moving a bit smarter by the end of the plot

Still got passed around by VS ladies, but he can't immediately gain spy consciousness, not falling for street tricks is already some progress

[royal plover]

Like we already meet tang xinci or getting kidnap to ghost market, but when we meet tang xinci again or after degeat dao lord and go to ghost market, its like mc just meet tang xinci or being in ghost market at first time

[crimson birch]

it will take time but knowing how he can pick up things well, I believe in the kid.

sacrified my life to take this photo i should have though of it sooner lol

[honest rain]

Have you considered that YM, among everything, is also a bit stupid[/j]

Really, some reactions are scripted poorly, like if you go back to certain Wandering Tales locations, the same voiceless are going to play even if the quest is completed

[icy lake]

I once seeked out the immortal they called rat infact i ended up in a cave with ninemortal ways the great immortal seeks the dao trough schemes i learned trough watching the wicked way days weeks just to learn his scamming way enlightent by whealth till karma its own hand delt the cool brace of a sword they allowed him to live but shattered his core

[icy lake]

I left the fool too his grave left him a piece of gold i a rising star seen another fall so far he grew old dust and bones you reep what you sow but i refuse yield to fate a demon a path against order to be my own the heavenly dao asks to atone erase emotions A body of peace dao slaves i follow my desire but not be consumed by it in anyway but to have the final say if heaven seeks to destroy ill make it pay

Toss a coin to the story tellers way

Doing this to lvl up anyways

[elder osprey]

Thank you!

[twilit lagoon]

Have fun

[elder osprey]

for areas that change after the quest, does it revert that?

[twilit lagoon]

No idea try it

[elder osprey]

i will thank u again

[twilit lagoon]

No problem

[jaunty ocean]

Guys, can you show me where is cat play in nine mortal ways base? I can't find the cat

[celest flume]

Shimmer=breedable

[sharp kettle]

I was just saying this the other day

True and correct

[lavish meadow]

two lion statues before the main building. The cat is on the statue to the right, with an NPC standing in front of it. It's wearing a rat mask

[jaunty ocean]

yea bro. No matter how many times I relog, pet the cat. It won't count

[sharp kettle]

Even the cat is a scam

[lavish meadow]

then idk, I just talked to the NPC, then 'petted' the cat. I actually gave it a high-5

[jaunty ocean]

tks man

[iron canyon]

mhm, a lot of these quests are triggered when you're running around here and there, so its really hard to actually strictly keep in sequence, sometimes we gotta just piece them up ourselves

[crimson birch]

Though when you're trying to do a run to achieve all of them in a run and make things quick, the mysterious nature of encounter quests does delay you. Though I would say the encounters in the game kind of feel like what you would experience in real life. And I feel like that's the beauty of it though it might not be the most efficient sometimes.

[viral python]

You may need to see a doctor and get a pill prescribed for the performance issues you are describing/ experiencing

Ironically enough , Chinese medicine is better than western medicine in these cases

[uncut silo]

Uncle Jiang is actually Big Zhao

Who is Emperor Taizu

and is also

Yingying

[crimson birch]

Uncle Jiang =/= Big Zhao

They're different people.

[uncut silo]

but big zhao = yingying

[crimson birch]

I'm not exactly the best at math so I'll leave that to ya

[uncut silo]

transformation pill

[iron canyon]

totally agreed, its an experience to just bump into one

[wheat raptor]

Why does yao yao not recognize me i js finished chapter 1

[honest rain]

YM is officially dead and lore-wise is wearing a mask around Heaven's Pier to conceal their identity. It's kind of open-ended if NPCs are playing along or genuinely can't recognize them

[wheat raptor]

Why would they not recpgnizs them tho

Makes way more sense if they js playing along

Also wtf was aunt han doing during the attack on blissful retreat while we were fighting for our lives

[honest rain]

Probs dealing with the invasion somewhere on the other side of village + it was her who pulled YM out in the end, so she was somewhere nearby

[wheat raptor]

Isnt she the strongest out of all of us why wasnt she the one 1v1ing qianye 💀

Or at least protecting ruby or smthn the village aint that big

[proper orbit]

One of the NPCs recognized MC and the Chinese dialogue is actually a little melancholic.. He's in Heaven's Pier.. 米叔

I forgot what the english name is.. Uncle Mi maybe?

[proper orbit]

It was supposedly a huge contingent of Aureate Pavilion members raiding the village... and Qianye probably wasn't interested in 1v1 at the time.

[honest rain]

Oh, so Yaoyao is just playing along... should've learned some spy conduct from Dr.Tian

[proper orbit]

Idk if yaoyao was playing along.. but Uncle Mi kinda mentioned something about Yaoyao telling him that the MC had resurfaced..

[uncut silo]

oh what really? I swear some lines still say young master

[wheat raptor]

Idk it js seemed rlly weird to me not seeing her while the entire village was burning and yi dao and ruby got kirked

[proper orbit]

The thing is.. and I explained in this channel before... that the words "Young Master" actually means two things in Chinese... like... two different Chinese terms of address can be translated into English as Young Master... actually maybe more than two..

[uncut silo]

Yeah the first line when entering Harvestfall Village "Wait you look familiar, are you the young master of the Blissful Retreat?"

[proper orbit]

So in the English version... Young Master as a term of address could come from a stranger.. or could come from a villager of Blissful retreat.

Ah okay.. You meant they found him familiar and asked if he was the young master of the retreat?

[honest rain]

It's like "respected young man" kind of addressing from them

[proper orbit]

Hmm in that case, I think they literally just meant that.. they found him familiar..

[uncut silo]

I think this line remains unchanged

between post Ch.1

[wheat raptor]

I got that dialogue way before i finished chapter 1

[proper orbit]

Doesn't mean they recognized him

[uncut silo]

well this one does

[proper orbit]

Well, if you got that dialogue before you finished chapter 1 that means someone in the village hasn't seen young master for a long time.. because he grew up at the bamboo abode..

[uncut silo]

it isn't exclusive to post ch1 as yk V_7 also says

[proper orbit]

he does visit blissful retreat occasionally i think

[honest rain]

I think some dialogs just remain unchanged before and after

[proper orbit]

maybe it was a bug but i just chose to believe that the person who said that probably hasn't seen MC for a while

the bamboo abode is quite a distance away from Blissful Retreat anyways...

[uncut silo]

It just stays the same that line

[proper orbit]

I think it's fine lore-wise

[uncut silo]

Hate to interrupt the flow of conversation as I have already but how many of the 8 Heroes are confirmed? I know the Sleeping Daoist and Puppeteer brothers

[honest rain]

There's always a possibility that devs f-ed up with some triggers for 6th line unnamed NPCs, the game is giant

[honest rain]

You can try searching in this chat, we discussed it some time ago (or you can wait for me to pull it up)

[uncut silo]

ight ill check

got it

[honest rain]

This has great break-doqn when you click on it

[uncut silo]

ah thank you

thats much more detailed

[honest rain]

Or the devs are trying to show that news don't reach some places, they don't have many fast all-accessible sources

Like Zheng E and Zhang Cuo's connection never reached some places, creating rumors we discussed

[uncut silo]

As much as I like to assume everything is intentional, I think some lines are simply untouched

[proper orbit]

That would make sense. Or at least that's what I would choose to believe.

My goodness there are puns everywhere

[honest rain]

In 9MW base, or in character names?

[proper orbit]

Mostly character names or item names. Or they would subtly hint of some remote connections with some other story in another part of history..

I can't really think of any specific one, but if I come across one again I will share

[uncut silo]

is snake doctor on the journal-character list? If so does anyone know where you unlock him

[proper orbit]

The eight heroes of Hedong, mentioned in the lore, makes me think of two different groups of characters.. one group mythical... and the other one historical.

The mythical group were the Eight Immortals in folklore

The other, lesser known, but actual historical group were the Eight Pei Siblings of Hedong, of the Pei Clan, which saw it's demise in the Five Dynasties period

I know the 8 heroes of hedong in the game wouldn't be the Peis, because though the siblings belonged to the long-lasting Pei Clan of Hedong, they passed away long before the Five Dynasties period.

Devs obviously made them up, but it's interesting how they made them the 8 heroes of hedong, which makes people think of these two groups and wonder if there are any connections.

So it's stuff like that.. you know? all these subtle connections... similarities.. conincidences?

Very interesting. Thought provoking.. love it

It almost feels like they are teasing you

[honest rain]

Considering how much historic inspections are already in game, chances are they are indeed inspired by at least one of stories you rought up

[honest rain]

It's like the devs are winking and saying "if you know you know" on some plots

[proper orbit]

Yea.. I love the amount of effort they put into crafting such narratives and characters... and the way they position them in the world.

haha yea.. "if you know you know".. this is actually a popular saying in Chinese "懂的都懂“

[honest rain]

I think version of this phrase shows up in all languages, it's such a perfect way to ragebait outsiders and stroke ego of those in the know

[proper orbit]

Exactly

[royal plover]

Different between monk and daoist and taoist?

[honest rain]

"Daoist" is specifically for those who follow Dao(ism) (might be applied on any level), monk are for those who, well, serve as monks in any religious institution (Buddhist temples for WWM)

[royal plover]

And what is dao?

[royal plover]

Are daos not part of Buddhism?

[honest rain]

No

[royal plover]

What god they serve as daoist, bc monk will be buddha

[honest rain]

Buddhism is a religion following teachings of Buddha. Daoism is a philosophy following variety of interpretation of "pursuit of Dao", no god

[vague shoal]

I mean if they dare to attack blissful retreat, qianye would have plans to deal with aunt han

[honest rain]

I advice you to google forth, there are many worthy and more reliable sources about this specific thing online

[proper orbit]

Religions in ancient (or even today) China are quite different from that common in the west, like Christianity. They don't serve their gods like how a Christian worshipper would serve their god.

Many eastern religions are more like philosophies

[foggy tiger]

She's recognises u. She's mc childhood friend who grew up with him. She's also the one that made the medicine pouch mc is carrying. The one u need to upgrade from time to time.

She's just playing along with the deception that u apparently died in the aureate invasion

[hidden kelp]

There are so many branches of Buddhism too and Daoism evolved a lot over time. They're less centralized than Western religions, more adapted to local cultures, and generally more tolerant of varieties of beliefs. It's more like "here are all the many ways people have found that led to spiritual growth/enlightenment, pick what works for you."

The goal of both are also less about exalting gods and more about personal development and attaining individual spiritual growth. Less about faith and more of a practice and a way of life.

[lime coral]

Is Shi Shouxin the Nameless General?

[dreamy vale]

@flint copper one more chance im sorryyyyy

[celest flume]

No

They r separate characters

[celest flume]

Eastern religions r mostly the art of noticing

[warm vortex]

Well I didn't know that, and do appreciate the lesson, thank you.

[mint spade]

While this is very true.

There's a whole cosmology of gods in both Buddhism and Taoism.

Even in the philosophy of the belief.

The line between philosophy and religion is very blurry in China

[sudden shard]

I wouldn't be surprised if we go to terracota army dungeon someday

[sudden shard]

Someone said Aunt Han changes our face, so if we didn't wear a mask, ppl still won't recognizes us

[honest rain]

That's a big claim.... someone would have to find a source for it to back it up

[sudden shard]

I found it on youtube 🤣

[mystic idol]

i went back just to check, they don't recognize you

[uncut silo]

Teleport to Harvestfall boundary stone, walk up to woman on the path

[mystic idol]

the exact line in chinese is "哟，这位少侠有点眼熟，好像不羡仙那个少东家", which translates to "you look familiar... so alike to the young master of blissful retreat"

this line does stay the same before completing chapter 1 and after, so take into that context/purpose how you want in terms of why they left it in -- but there's no implication that they recognize you in the original chinese text

[uncut silo]

And the English line is “wait you look familiar, are you the young master of the blissful retreat?”

[honest rain]

Oh, yeah, English line is very much "you look familiar... aren't you the young master (..)?" Which is much closer to being recognized

Translation strikes again

[mystic idol]

I'm a native chinese speaker too, the language you would use when you recognize someone/identify someone is very different to the one used by the NPC which is more implying you look alike

[proper orbit]

It is more like "Yo, this young wanderer looks a little familiar, he looks a little like the young master of Blissful Retreat". In fact, she doesn't even seem like she's talking to you.. more like she's talking to herself.

And, it is still lore friendly.. because even though people in villages know each other, not every one in the village is on close terms with the young master.

So she could be someone that often sees young master from afar but never talks to him up close.

Before Chapter 1, she would say that.. and even after Chapter 1, it could still be plausible that she would say that

She's probably one of those people in the villages that never speaks to the Young Master

[honest rain]

True

Almost like being hit "well, don't you look like Elvis", and for most people it's vague, but when you are, in fact, Elvis...

[foggy tiger]

its really well done the jarring disparity between people recognising mc or not. before the event happened, almost every npc walking by in blissful retreat has a voiceline greeting mc. but none after

thats why its especially noticable to new players

[proper orbit]

Lore wise, the MC put on a mask and left the village, determined to keep a low profile. It's a clumsy plot development... tbh...

Supposedly, the MC would not return to Blissful Retreat, at least not for a long time...

but you know.. as players... we just gotta go back... because some of us need completion... lol

or miss a certain childhood friend/buddy/cutest person in the world 😢

[lavish meadow]

If we ever head West from Kaifeng to Chang'an then yeahh. I dont see a reason not to visit. It has enough mysteries and mysticism, perfect for a wuxia story to slip in

[foggy tiger]

Well before completion, still need upgrade medical bag as well

[proper orbit]

In the next expansion, we go to Hexi, which is overshooting Chang'an and going further west haha

[sudden shard]

Terracota is in Chang An?

[proper orbit]

haha yea and that

[lavish meadow]

Also known as its modern name Xian

[proper orbit]

Chang'an used to be called Xian Yang, the old capital of the Qin Dynasty.... and Qin Shihuang was the Emperor of that dynasty... the first emperor... and when he died.. a whole terracota army was created to protect his tomb..

[lavish meadow]

Yeaa but we didnt go to Hexi 'physically' tho

[proper orbit]

yea

[sudden shard]

Hexi further west and Bujianshan and Hutuo further east, it will be a long time to see we change course to south 🤣 maybe we will travel around the world first then the finale or climax

[proper orbit]

I don't know if Chang'an would be featured...

It is a lot of work for the devs to recreate that city..

[sudden shard]

I see. On wiki it says Xi'an so I thought it was different place 😭

[proper orbit]

Xian Yang -> Chang'an -> Xi'an (today)

[lavish meadow]

Lots of places changed names depending on who ruled them

[proper orbit]

Kaifeng used to be known as Daliang, Bianliang, Bianzhou...

[lavish meadow]

Maybe just a domain like Daliang not the entire city yeah 😅

[proper orbit]

It will be interesting if they recreate the Southern Tang cities

I wonder if the plot will move south

[sudden shard]

I know I'm bad at geography. Does Jiangnan located below kaifeng?

[lavish meadow]

I mean it has to right? Shimmer invited us South. And Song will still move South even if delayed

[proper orbit]

Idk if it was intentional... but yesterday Chinese media released a new C-drama series called "Swords to Ploughshares" or 太平年, which features many of the characters in WWM

[sudden shard]

Our parents and origins maybe from Southern Tang 👀

[proper orbit]

I'm hoping that they will move the plot south! As in.. expand the map southwards

[proper orbit]

Jiangnan is definitely south of Kaifeng

[sudden shard]

If wars broke between Kaifeng and Southern Tang, I wish we can choose who we sided

[proper orbit]

for a short moment i thought you meant our real parents lmao (from irl)

[proper orbit]

I'm gonna choose Song... no way Southern Tang will prevail against the Song army

Nice!

Maybe... your ancestors... were from Southern Tang lmao

[sudden shard]

Idk lol🤣 maybe I can ask when I meet them at LNY

[lavish meadow]

Jiangnan just means South of the River. Since in that era, most other kingdoms are located South including Southern Tang

[proper orbit]

LNY is coming..!! Hope everybody gets some big fat red packets!

[sudden shard]

Idk why I want to support Li Zuo😭 maybe it's just me🤣

[proper orbit]

You mean Li Zuo aka Emperor Ai of the actual Tang Dynasty?

the last emperor of the Tang Dynasty

[lavish meadow]

How old is he to still be alive 😭

[proper orbit]

The last ruler of Southern Tang was Li Yu.

[sudden shard]

Yes lol, or maybe shimmer as hidden force 👀

[proper orbit]

He kinda got immortal (lore wise) or assumed by some to be

[proper orbit]

apparently, in the lore, Li Zuo and Li Yu are using each other (actually I am inclined to believe that Li Zuo was using Li Yu more)

[sudden shard]

I wonder how he got white hair, I know that he is old. In the past with Wang Qing, his hair is black🤣 or maybe he use harmonic cores to dye his hair? 🤣

[sudden shard]

Ahh, is Li Yu likely his puppet emperor??

[proper orbit]

probably messed around with the immortality thing while he was with his ex....

[proper orbit]

Idk if that's what the devs would like him to be.. in real life, he was a proper ruler... but a very sad one..

in the game, Aureate Pavilion is quite strong.. so maybe... they were pulling some strings in the background...

[sudden shard]

I do found it interesting that in Hutuo, we can collect this paper doll figurines for 5 painting with lantern, will there be a puppet show like in Harvestfall village

[sudden shard]

Especially after Li Zuo tinkering with immortality 😅

[proper orbit]

He has great ambitions

A vision for an immortal realm

If he was successful, Trump would be dealing with a much more overpowered China...because Li Zuo and his immortal army would still be alive today lol

If you think about it, there are many characters like Tian Ying during the Cold War era.

or even before the Cold War era... there are people like Tian Ying in every dynasty ... during the Warlord Era.. and during the Civil War era...

I love how they introduced this "cloak and dagger" dimension in the game with the larger Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms thing in the background.

[lavish meadow]

I always love it when wuxia stories do this.

Timeline still goes according to history, but you can sprinkle in some over-the-top spice

[loud tundra]

Guyss guys Qianye isn't dude like ghost master right?? Right?

[uncut silo]

Yeah I guess the Chinese version wouldve been created as a dialogue intended to be used before and after Qinghe story while the English version was just translated without context

[loud tundra]

Hmm....so are we getting stabbed by a dude or not?

[honest rain]

Unlike Ghost Master, who is consistently referred to as male in texts, Qianye is consistently referred to as female in compendium and plot

You can always check their Compendium/Journal entries to see if there's anything, EXCEPT for Feng Ruzhi her Compendium entry has translation error

[opal sonnet]

is the bathhouse not working anymore? it does not heal like is used to, or is it a bug?

[nimble pilot]

we have the Ember of East and Shimmer of South, who are the North and West?

[abstract haven]

Good question? I was wondering too. Last time i tried and didnt heal

[vague granite]

Problem with that is the translations aren't correct. In the CN version Qianye is considered an androgynous male.

[vague granite]

North is the Khitans

[nimble pilot]

that… makes sense but like what even are these directional people

[honest rain]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[vague granite]

They're lords who control different parts of ancient China

[honest rain]

Whats with this translation

[nimble pilot]

why does Ember of East seem so weak

[vague granite]

Belief

[nimble pilot]

?

their power scales with faith in them?

[vague granite]

Pretty much

[nimble pilot]

Yingying chose to keep her Ember of East persona under major wraps, so it rendered her massively weakened?

[vague granite]

Lord Shi literally turned to God of Avarice because of his greed and people's beliefs

[vast glade]

wait,so potentially we might be turning too or smth?

[nimble pilot]

so it wasnt that Yingying was super weak, but Lord Shi had just become that much more powerful?

[vague granite]

Based on Wuxia Logic, there's a possibility we may reach the Immortal Realm

[honest rain]

Wen family are primarily merchants, unlike YM's family, who are swordsmen. Illusions, manipulation and politics are Ember's primary skills, which do seem weaker compared to good old steel to the face

[vague granite]

Yep

[nimble pilot]

I see, that makes sense

How about the Shimmer of South then

[vast glade]

well,since the true emperor is likely immortal (or atleast unaging) it's likely we'll reach his level if not higher

[honest rain]

Isn't immortality stuff xianxia logic...

[vague granite]

Blissful Retreat in the CN Version is called "No Envy Immortal"

[vast glade]

because they aren't trained by legendary jianghu warriors who can slaughter whole armies alone ig?

[nimble pilot]

i didnt mean relative to them, i meant relative to lord shi

i didnt think about his God of Avarice schtick

[vast glade]

well,with how heavy YM's training and tutorage were,at this point I'll like to believe aunt Han was basically training him up into becoming an emperor or smth

[vague granite]

Both Xianxia and Wuxia have immortality but different interpretations

[honest rain]

You made me go read Qianye's entries in chinese text, and I feel like you're pulling my leg. The use of 她(she/her) seems consistent, as well as voicelines in journal using 姐姐, 妖女, etc., to speak of her

[vague granite]

Do you have the Chinese version?

[nimble pilot]

She better be a woman, or I make the same mistake with the ghost bride when i started this game again 😭

[honest rain]

This one especially, it is her POV and this "you, men, (...)" seems like, androgynous or not, Quanye herself does not group herself with men

[honest rain]

Ghost bride (in Mistveil Prison) is female, Ghost Master (boss) is not

[nimble pilot]

That one Ik

His sister died and he dressed up in her dress right?

[honest rain]

I mean, Jiang Kui intentionally dresses this way, so if you took him for a maiden — he succeeded

[nimble pilot]

oops

[hollow blaze]

anyone have a screenshot of this compendium entry? i can't unlock it

[nimble pilot]

i would totally feel like NMW would disguise as a woman, and immediately change into a man after bedding someone just to screw with them

[honest rain]

I mean.... have you encountered "maiden" injustice quest on NMW base....

[nimble pilot]

probably wouldnt work on a Well of Heaven member though…

[nimble pilot]

nope

[honest rain]

Their disguises are good, no one would know

[honest rain]

I'm not spoiling anything, go forth

[nimble pilot]

yeah but a WoH member wouldnt care either lmfao

[nimble pilot]

How do i start it

im curious now

[honest rain]

I used anti-fraud manual, just clicked "obtain>" and it took me to NPC AI conversation. Bring the convo to conclusion to trigger the injustice quest

[vague granite]

Is this from the global version translated to Chinese or the actual CN version?

[honest rain]

It's CN text of global version. I'm p sure even on global the CN text is the og while everything else is translation. Why would they spend money rewriting Global-CN to make it different from CN-CN?

[proper orbit]

Qianye, as far as I know, is a woman.. and she even says "you men.." in one of the dialogue..

The game's text, when describing her, uses "她" to refer to her gender.... she's a woman, according to the game...

and by game, I meant the compendium..

it would be strange if the compendium lies to us... for what purpose? For us to send a ticket to the devs to ask them to correct it? as part of a puzzle? unlikely I think.

[honest rain]

And one of the journal voicelines uses "姐姐" to refer to her, as well as other female-specific nouns

[proper orbit]

But she is a master of disguise.

[vague granite]

As far as I know, the CN version with CN text Global aren't the exact same

[proper orbit]

The chinese text wouldn't be too different.. if they are indeed different.. you can be sure of that

it doesn't make business sense... (because of increased cost) to create uniquely different chinese text for the global version...

[hazy minnow]

I accidentally found a comment that Uncle Jiang is the creator of the mystic skill dragon head, is this legit?

[honest rain]

WHY WOULD IT BE

Finding the truth is so frustrating in this game

[vague granite]

I mean there are 2 types of Chinese texts. Mandarin and Cantonese.

[proper orbit]

my friend...

if the global version was using Cantonese...... in the Chinese text..... i'm sure we, the native chinese speakers... can tell ..

So don't worry.. I can assure you that the Global version's chinese text isn't Cantonese.

[honest rain]

I'm going for 简体中文 when I'm checking

[vague granite]

Check the CN version, it's probably different to the CN text in Global version

[proper orbit]

also there aren't just 2 types of chinese text...

[proper orbit]

go ahead. let us know when you find out！ thanks!

[honest rain]

I dont even think Cantonese is in game, only Simplified and Old

[vague granite]

I don't have the CN version

[honest rain]

Then kindly stop scheming when you can't even check your words

[proper orbit]

Also, even if they were using slightly different chinese text, they wouldn't change Qianye's gender between the two...

[vague granite]

And I'm here kindly asking you to check the CN version to see if there are any difference

Cause this side of the community says Qianye's a woman while the other side of the community says Qianye's a man

[honest rain]

There's a popular headcanon that white half in 2nd phase of Qianye bossfight has male bodytype, are you sure you aren't talking about this one?

[nimble pilot]

i hear it represents a male thing, but it itself is not male

aunt hans brother or something idk

lowkey i wasnt paying attention, i jsut dont remember it being a male body thpe

[vague granite]

No. It's about Aunt Han's brother who couldn't escape from the Liang Family, but then the Liang Family got massacred by the Gold something Pavilion which I assume is the Aureate Pavilion and Aunt Han's brother was about to be killed but the boss who took down the Liang Family took him in.

[honest rain]

There's a greatly researched file in Ukrainian chat explaining it, if you're in the mood to look at the translation/sources they quote

[mystic idol]

but the explanation for the name in CN is that when you come here, you don’t even envy a (theoretical) immortal anymore because blissful retreat is paradise — ergo, you’ve already reached “paradise/nirvana”, thats how nice the place was

来者不羡仙

[vast glade]

noted, I'll make sure to make it hell when we finally get to building it back up

[mystic idol]

most people’s interpretation of the god of avarice fight is that its not really a true god you fight

his “god form” was due to the illusions caused by the life coins/买命钱, which is a skill shared by ember of east and lord shi

[vast glade]

what are life coins tho,i never really understood it

||also do we ever get back that jar of parting tears the ember of the east scams us out off?||

[mystic idol]

It’s not really explained much rn or their background — but its associated and comes from weiyang

[honest rain]

The God of Avarice seems more like cult leader persona Shi took on

[mystic idol]

yeah exactly, in game we fight this guy who becomes a god form and slays him but in actuality its more like we fight (and beat/kill) him and the concept of protecting the weak, righteousness for all overcomes greed and the philosophy of sacrifice a few for the greater good

ofc tho the game turns this into a fight because it makes for better gameplay experience

[vague shoal]

You can get it back after you complete kaifeng’s dark surge

[mystic idol]

We do, once you finish dark surge in kaifeng

[vague granite]

And Lord Shi turns to gold dust afterwards

[vast glade]

good, because i was thinking of doing not so very nice things to her carcass after her boss fight as penance for taking ruby's jar 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

[mystic idol]

its assumed we killed him in the furnace

[honest rain]

That's in his compendium note, pretty much sounds like another persona

[vague shoal]

Wdym we don’t get to fight her

[vague granite]

Yea, I don't remember if he turned to gold dust or gold coins after we defeated him.

[proper orbit]

By the way, a lot of us don't really know for certain what Qianye's background is, we can only guess. But because you were quoting the Chinese text, we needed to point out that Qianye, at least according to what we can see in the game now, seems to be attributed the female gender. Whether or not that will change later on, is still unknown. So I guess that's the current situation concerning her.

[vast glade]

damn is this Chinese schizophrenia?

[vague granite]

Thanks. Now I can sleep peacefully and dream of Murong Yuan.

[proper orbit]

lmao

[vague shoal]

Biggest theory right now is the brother is already dead

[honest rain]

More like list of personas of a spy, I'm sure Tian Ying also has something like this

[vague granite]

Oh right, is her name Rong Yuan or Murong Yuan?

[vague shoal]

||became organ donor for qianye||

[proper orbit]

I believe they changed it to Rong Yuan

[mystic idol]

he becomes a figurehead for especially the common people who believe in doing anything for money basically, its just a persona he has

[vague granite]

I thought it was translation issue

[proper orbit]

idk I just see Rong Yuan now

[mystic idol]

the big boss fight in kaifeng is more philosophical (or maybe metaphysical is a better word? idk), and it will be more like this in hexi because hexi is ||literally in a dream||

[vague granite]

So I haven't gone senile then.

[honest rain]

Where.... in NMW base? Rats got you

[mystic idol]

9MW base rong yuan is a fake

[hidden kelp]

wait so the Hexi they're gonna release is not gonna take place in the actual location but just a dream? lmao

that actually... does make some sense cuz wasn't Hexi under the control of Western Xia

[mystic idol]

yeah, i wont spoil it more but would be happy to answer questions if people get confused after it comes out

[mystic idol]

Hexi was mix of xia and liao depending on which specific sections

[vague granite]

I knew I haven't gone senile!

Rong Yuan my beloved

[proper orbit]

I have not faced her in battle yet, i'm taking my time in the game, but i'm pretty sure the soldiers call her 容将军 or General Rong

[honest rain]

Oh, the translators are evil

[vague granite]

The English translation is Murong Yuan which got me confused

[proper orbit]

Maybe they haven't got around to updating the English text..

Just like how they haven't updated the numerous skill and technique names

[vague granite]

They are extremely evil. They even dared to change Aunt Han's lovely title "Goddess of Luo River" to "Water Lady"

[proper orbit]

They may have made the mistake of not putting their text in a centralized location in their source files

Centralized text makes it easy to localize...

But it looks to me like they have it all over the place? idk... so when they change their minds about some name... they need to look all over the game files for the other places where they use it...

she looks so good tho

[honest rain]

Huh, but her adoptive father is still Murong in both versions of text... is there a lore reason I'm missing or..?

[proper orbit]

this guy spent too much time at the gym after Big Zhao decided to retire them from the military....

[hidden kelp]

would

[proper orbit]

Shi Shouxin's son has the best, most iconic Song dynasty armour..

[vague granite]

This got me thinking right... The Rong Yuan in NMW Base is supposed to be named Murong Yuan but the translator got them mixed up or something.

[proper orbit]

I haven't got to the nmw base yet... !

haha so idk

At least in my game, she is Rong Yuan..

[hidden kelp]

but the boss fights has her as Murong in eng still

[vague granite]

My beloved Rong Yuan.

[proper orbit]

the guild reputation shop has a set just like that... can't wait to unlock it.

[vague granite]

Long story short, translators are evil

[proper orbit]

yea idk... I no longer trust the eng text...

[honest rain]

Nah, she's just different Rong

[proper orbit]

for me, the chinese text has like 100% accuracy, 100% meaning, 100% hidden meanings and puns...
eng is like.... idk.. maybe 90% accuracy, 60% meaning, 10% hidden meanings and 0% puns..

[vague granite]

That's so Rong

[proper orbit]

hahahaha that's so rong

[honest rain]

1% puns, don't forget what they did to Unfated Tian

[proper orbit]

LOL unfated tian

[vague shoal]

Iirc murong yuan refused to be associsted with the murong surname because she wasnt cool with lijun cutting ties with her and making murong adopt her

So she goes by the name rong

[proper orbit]

so many people thought Unfated Tian is Tian Ying... HAHAHa

[vague granite]

2 Rongs don't make a right

[proper orbit]

i can't.. hahahahahahah

this game is too punny

[hidden kelp]

but somehow we still get her name rong bc of the eng text

[proper orbit]

lmao we might get banned with these pun streaks

Goose overlord might be like.,.. enough.. hahaha

Goose overload..

[honest rain]

Nobody tell them

If yesterday's Zheng E spam flew right past them, the puns can't be rong

[proper orbit]

Idk much about Rong Yuan yet but I can't wait to uncover more.. i'm literally outside Jinming Pool now.. but too lazy to continue.

gotta grab some grub

I spent too much time explaining to my friend who was watching my stream about why there is a HUGE chinese ship in the middle of a pond in the middle of a fort

she's like... is that Zheng He's (from the Ming Dynasty) ship?!

and i'm like "wrong dynasty"...

[honest rain]

Too many dynasties with big ships

[proper orbit]

China really went crazy with the ship building back then...

One of their ships was many times larger than an average european caravel

hmmm.. now that I think about it.. china is still being crazy about shipbuilding today lol

[honest rain]

They're so right, big ships are cool, and when the geography allows for it, why not

[proper orbit]

Zheng He from the Ming Dynasty probably had the largest oceanfaring fleet in the world at the time.

He went all the way to Africa, and I believe he brought a giraffe back to China to impress the Emperor.

What he didn't do, thankfully, is what the Europeans did with their fleets.. which is colonization

[honest rain]

Damn, how bad was the emperor to make the ships guy so crazy

[proper orbit]

I haven't read till that point about the Ming Dynasty.. my readings about the Ming stopped at Zhu Yuanzhang, the founder.. but apparently, Ming spent a lot of money on their global ocean voyages, trading and building relations, and mapping

[honest rain]

(I know he was probably just trying to impress emperor, but I can't miss opportunity to turn it into danmei subplot)

[hidden kelp]

yeah I was about to say...

[proper orbit]

I read an account where one observer on the coast remarked that when he looked at the horizon, he couldn't see it.. the Ming fleet clouded the seas when they arrived..

with that many troops and ships, it must have been quite easy for him to subjugate many kingdoms in the southern hemisphere.

Colonization doesn't seem to be on the menu for the Ming court though..

[vast glade]

tbf,with how fast dynasties falls it makes sense they aren't trying to conquer outside land

[proper orbit]

If i'm not wrong there is one other AAA game that was set in the Ming...

I forgot the name.

It was heavily criticized by the chinese players for some historical error

[hidden kelp]

I wanna look this good when I'm a granny

[proper orbit]

yea china has mostly been inward looking throughout history.. or at least mostly concerned with what goes on around their peripheries..

[proper orbit]

LMAO

no wrinkles.. no lines...

no greying hair

[hidden kelp]

granny woke up and chose to slay

[vast glade]

what Chinese alchemy does to a mfkr (either that or melt into goo from eating the wrong poison frogs 🗿 )

[proper orbit]

Han Xiangxun (aunt han) might have helped her....

[honest rain]

I mean, on-land colonization is still colonization🤔 though, can't say anything on China in this regard, just on Eastern Europe

[proper orbit]

lol yea for sure.

[honest rain]

Anyways, not the chat for history discussion

[hidden kelp]

dang, you right, Auntie Han best and most sought after plastic surgeon. this is enlightening

[proper orbit]

she looks like she could rip any would-be husband apart in a second

[honest rain]

Only these results with Zhu Yu genes

[proper orbit]

rumours have it that Aunt Han migrated to South Korea and her descendants continued her incredible trade till this day..

[hidden kelp]

man that's why so many npcs have same face syndrome. they all got the knife

[proper orbit]

they need to make this fashion mainstream everywhere...

[hidden kelp]

you mean irl or in game skin?

either way yes

[proper orbit]

irl lol

[proper orbit]

oh they can tailor the sleeves and the overly long parts... you know.. so that you don't die from being caught in lifts and escalators..

[honest rain]

Always can go armguards way to keep sleeves under control

[proper orbit]

it is actually quite common to see young women dressed in Hanfu in China today..

[hidden kelp]

I own several hanfu and I love them except anytime I need to do anything other than sit the fabric goes everywhere

[proper orbit]

you can get this kind; easier for modern cities

[hidden kelp]

oh yeah the modern hanfu are more practical hahah

I also love just pairing mamianqun with a fitted top except I haven't tried going outside with it bc I don't want to get the bottoms dirty LOL

[proper orbit]

oh wow. that's the ming dynasty skirt

that's supposed to be shorter than the skirts from other periods though

here is one variant

[honest rain]

Oh, I saw some similar combos on TikTok, the styling of traditional+modern clothes always goes so hard

[hidden kelp]

yup there are some very beautiful modern versions with embroidering and pseudo-holographic effects

[proper orbit]

I found Yingying

people in china are going crazy with the wwm cosplay right now lol

[hidden kelp]

This is the one I bought on taobao. Before the whole tariffs debacle lol

[proper orbit]

wow this is beautiful!

very elegant

[honest rain]

The pattern/embroidery is stunning

[hidden kelp]

Right? I love it so much

really happy to see more cn games making into international market and spreading awareness of cool historical and cultural elements

[proper orbit]

If you have a good collection of hanfu, you can plan a trip to china during some of the festivals.. like maybe mid-autumn festival... go to some of the historic cities like Xi'an or Kaifeng and you will probably have a great time!

And you might get to add a lot more to your collection too.. getting directly from the tailors there

[honest rain]

I wish this to all non-EU cultures, everyone deserves to have passionate showings to e/o

[hidden kelp]

I def want to travel around in China more, so much to see and do and eat hahahah

[jolly holly]

well of heaven is never beating the allegations

[honest rain]

NMW too, not with Fan Qicha and Er Mao

[honest rain]

Er Mao is sweet, but like everyone's flirting with him, and he's so blind

[hidden kelp]

himbo

[honest rain]

The purest form of himbo

He even go MB disciples flirting, however clumsy she does, like daaaamn

[hidden kelp]

we stan a lovable himbo

[nimble pilot]

i lowkey do not like yingying all that much

i find it so funny because like

all these signposts are all like MOMMY and YES MOMMY

lowkey bro, lemme just get my Parting Tears before I part this woman in half with my Modao

[honest rain]

The only ones he couldn't move are Mohist Hill, which is so in-character for STEM labrats

Er Mao even got Lone Clouds and Inkbound Order disciples approaching him

[trail lava]

is there anything that can be missed by completing chapter 1? for example like a side quest or a cat or anything like that? I am wondering if i should speedrun the campaign on my legend account

[honest rain]

Make sure your Wandering tales in Heaven's Pier and General's shrine are in order!

[trail lava]

Got it! Will do, thank you so much 😄

[proper orbit]

There were two encounters that I missed after Chapter 1. Can't get them back.

They were next to Blissful Retreat, near to the pier.

here

if I'm not wrong there were two brothers and three bowls of wine on a table.

[vague shoal]

You can still get all encounters

[proper orbit]

I meant Exploration Quests

I think one is called Feasts before the Beasts

And the other is called Angler by the River

[celest flume]

Wait what boss is that on the screen

[trail lava]

wolf maiden i think

[proper orbit]

Yi Dao

[celest flume]

No

[celest flume]

Shes in kaifeng

[trail lava]

ohh ohh sorry i thought you meant the feast before the beast quest...,

but that is how you start it... isnt it?

[celest flume]

Hm

I didnt even start wolf maiden quest i ran straight into her

[celest flume]

Yidao

[proper orbit]

yea that's what I said lol

[celest flume]

I fought him in dreamscape map

[trail lava]

This starts wolf maiden though i have done this before... i coudlnt find it again because im just dumb lol

[celest flume]

Set time to Zi hour if u havent killed her and get into her place

[proper orbit]

Interesting. I didn't start it before finishing chapter 1 and when I came back after , the people are all gone

[celest flume]

I did allat for fang mask accessory

[proper orbit]

yea Wolf Maiden can be started without this exploration quest

I walked in and triggered it..

[celest flume]

Same

[trail lava]

but what happens when you drink the wine three times after chapter 1? i have walked in and triggered her boss arena in kaifeng too

[proper orbit]

in fact, I think I triggered it because some wolf hunters were asking me to go up the slope and kill some wolves for them

[honest rain]

That's her Kaifeng "quest" if you could even count it as such

[celest flume]

I triggered it intentionally by setting time to Zi hour while standing in the boss arena

[lament grotto]

man what does ermao look like to be pulling this much

[tropic furnace]

Does anyone here know lore about the Chinese-exclusive bosses? Just wondering

[celest flume]

Heres a hint

[tropic furnace]

Ahhh, that’s a good boss. Seen a couple videos of it. There’s one boss that I would love to know more about it. It’s called 五残

[celest flume]

As far as ik im not sure about the lore
This is the divine lion boss
Has 8 phases
Is in the main quest?

[celest flume]

for the image

[tropic furnace]

I’d send a photo of the boss but I don’t have a high-enough rank

[celest flume]

Just dm me

[iron canyon]

ember of east lost her martial arts when we met her, and the lord shi we met is not the real lord shi, the real one is already dead if i remembered correctly

[iron canyon]

murong yuan is her name, but she despises the surname murong bc of her misunderstanding with her fathers, so she goes by rong yuan. i was wondering why they translated her full name in game only to the see the fake one in nmw base😭

[iron canyon]

i came acros someone who cosplayed her really good

[iron canyon]

it actually has a sad story for WOH 🥹 they commisioned him to draw the disciples that ||lost their life in the battle||

[vague shoal]

Share the sauce bro

[vague shoal]

Put a space

[iron canyon]

ahhhh yes there you go
https:// v.douyin.com/iAyDxK9neVs/

she did qianye too but most of her posts are fengruzhi since ruzhi is her favourite

[vague shoal]

Holy shii she' ripped

[tough eagle]

Is anything known about the mythical deer?

[vague shoal]

It's liu qingyi the deer immortal I think

[rain veldt]

can anyone explain why we had to do shadows in bloom in kaifeng before doing the main story? kinda throws me off that we've already been here, met important people and then the main story takes us here and it feels like its the first time being here?

[glad mist]

I have question after watching some housing guide from CN player, that in the future update, seems like the Blissful Retreat will get restored? not in the dream world, but in the main world, is this correct? and if it is where can I get more information about this?

[sudden shard]

I do wonder about his face underneath the mask 👀

[iron canyon]

it's a side quest to introduce the revelry hall and the important ppl like qin ruolan and stuff, basically giving you a head start (where you can collect letters and so on), it might look weird because we recently just got chased out of the hall but you can think of it as a quest that let you actually visit the hall

[vague shoal]

When new bulding feature patch is out, you can recruit npcs and stuff too

[sudden shard]

I meet wolf maiden when i level 10😭

[silent mulch]

does anyone know why i couldn't find the strange guest near the dock at blissful retreat for the cant of the jianghu quest? does he spawned somewhere else? i already got the token but i couldn't find him.

[sudden shard]

Iirc we fought shadow minotaurs in a dungeon that needs us to light blue fire like in gleaming abyss entrance to kill the minotaurs and access the deer boss

[trail lava]

same i met her pretty early on but i forget where i had met her probably because it was before chapter 1 so the place changes

[fluid quest]

So. I finished Kaifeng yesterday and saw the final ending.
Small issue: I play the game in Chinese with English subtitles and...
The letter we read isn't translated, and whatever we're told in that room isn't either.
I have no idea what the ending said. XD

[sudden shard]

I met her in ch 1. That's why I was so confused during the injustice encounter wolf maiden 🤣

[sudden shard]

Mine also like this. So i watch the cutscene on youtube just in case I see subs, but shimmer english VA literally said what's in the letter "thank you for the wine, until we meet again in Jiangnan"

[fluid quest]

Ah I see! Thx!

[sudden shard]

That's why I can't wait for Jiangnan 🤣

[fluid quest]

I'll probably be on YouTube checking if I missed anything lore wise today tbh. I love it but my memory of name is horrible and so is face recognition at time xD

[lime coral]

Is Shi Shouxin the Nameless General?

[sudden shard]

No, different person

[lime coral]

Damn

So it was John Windsmeet after all

Why did he throw hands at us? Just a test of might?

[fluid quest]

I reread all the dark shards yesterday and I was just... Ok so this person is 2 person, and this one is 3, and those 2 are the same one and....
XD

-Hits the characters with a paper fan- Quit. Having. Multiple. Roles.

Btw, when were the last belltower encounter and the flower field encounter added in Qinhe? Were they always there and I missed them earlier or are they recent?

[rain veldt]

appreciate the explanation

[fluid quest]

@sudden shard Oh I know, I know. I saw both encounters yesterday. I was just wondering if I had missed them. (Was that flower in moonlake passage always there??)
I fully admit that they were both absolutely gorgeous... But they're also something I'm going to have to check coz...
Well. Both seem linked. Coz sound and light? But no idea who we saw xD

[sudden shard]

Oh sorry, i didn't read your question well. I thought you want the ways to get them trigger lol. That 2 new encounters and also Kaifeng shovel added during first 1.2 update

[sudden shard]

I don't think that flower was there before, since I use the tools for piecing 3 letters part from TY.

[fluid quest]

Aaaah. Makes sense, makes sense. So I hadn't missed it the first time I finished Quinhe. Good. I'll just have to keep an eye on whenever they unlock the other ten listed there xD

[fluid quest]

Yea, I don't think so either or I'm very very blind 🤣

As for the 2 new encounters. It's typically the type of quest that makes me wonder if my complete cluelessness is cultural (aka, I don't understand Chinese nor do I know the culture enough) or if the game is vague on purpose and I'm not meant to understand.
Probably a mix of both tbh.

[vague shoal]

I think the bell quest is just the game telling you the MC's wind sense is kinda OP

[fluid quest]

True. (In an absolutely beautiful way. MC, gimme your eyes a sec, I want to see like that irl xD)

[honest rain]

Free world sometimes suffers from "you started it, so you finish it", so if you run around for some time before starting Main Quest in this area, all the triggers for next quests are already there – if you ran into it, the location will lock into that quest. Main Story can't overwrite "location locking"

[hazy minnow]

Guys, is Little Fu the leader of the Nine Mortal Ways?

[vague shoal]

Not officially, they are only acting as the dao lord, xue chou is probably the guy handling the sect's affairs since the other 3 are still kids

[hazy minnow]

who is xue chou?

[vague shoal]

Co founde rof 9mw, he adopted the kids

[hazy minnow]

there is a tombstone right before we fight the three kids, it says that the leader has died? is that true? or am I reading it wrong

[vague shoal]

Yes the original founder already died

[honest rain]

I don't think he's the co-founder🤔 I think ||Zhu Youzheng(if I remember the name correctly), dad of the girls, saved him back when he was just a kid, so Xue Chou felt like he owed the debt of life to him – so when there was threat to his life, Xue Chou came to help. Either he was too late, or smth, I'm not sure on that, but the founder died. Xue Chou interpreted his debt as "well, if he's dead, I can't let his life's work go to waste" and took over 9MW, putting up Dao Lord as "founder's son" to make it look like he wasn't just stealing the throne (and, well, he adopted the girls)||

[stable gazelle]

is wwm going to have those stories where its like the mc has a particular goal but then gets kinda sidetracked by a certain area that they help out before continuing on their journey only to continioulsy help out various areas

i havnet played many games but this is sort of the situation in genshin and wuwa. for example, genshins goal is for mc to find their sibling but ends up getting sidtracked by saving multiple regions without much clue of siblling (how much progress mc has made idk bc i dropped the game 3ish years ago)

i mean i dont mind that much abt wwm going down that route but i did feel like we didnt learn much about aunt hans whereabouts despite being the initial goal. the kaifeng story is quite nice, i just wonder if it will play into bigger picture esp with the little reveal about big zhao

[vague shoal]

Mostly because it took the whole chapter 2 for the MC to get to meet "Wen Wuque", and even then the MC was told to wait 2 3 months to get new clues lol

Also got to know a little about her past in the final jianghu legacy chapter too

[honest rain]

In genshin, MC met his sibling and got told to "experience the Teyvat" about a year and a half into production, while in WWM nobody takes MC seriously enough to answer his questions on the first try, so he has to go on "side-quests"

[honest rain]

And at least a few characters said "Idk, but I promise to keep an eye out for them" (like Xue Chou and that retired assassin lady), so it is better than nothing

[stable gazelle]

ohh..i forgot about that tiny detail in genshin! its been so long since ive played and even longer since the time i started
the part about wwm makes sense too

[stable gazelle]

i have trouble remembering quest names and stuff, is this side quests? i think i still need to play those because i heard they also provide some extra lore that the main quest doesnt touch up on

[vague shoal]

It's the new quest where you have to fight the ink bosses

[stable gazelle]

is it something that came with the new breakthrough? i havent opened the game in a while because i needed storage for antohr game but i might redonwload soon bc i miss wwm a lot 😭😭

[vague shoal]

Before the new breakthrough

[honest rain]

Also, Kaifeng quest is not even that much of a side-quest

MC arrives
"hey, I need to meet this Wen Wuque guy"
Big Zhao: I know a way
they're caught by little Zhao and MC strikes a deal to avoid being legally punished for trespassing into highly important event
everything else from here MC does in attempt to not /die/ from the pill little Zhao gave him

[sudden shard]

What's the pill from lil Zhao that we consume ?

[honest rain]

It was part of early Jan update

[stable gazelle]

hhh ill go check in future , i might have just missed it

[honest rain]

"Smth-smth cultivation will break in 7 days, if you don't take antidote and I'm not giving you antidote if you don't find the basin"

[honest rain]

It's the final Jianghu legacy quest

[stable gazelle]

OHHH ITS THIS THING yea i havent finished all of these, ill make sure to check it out again! because i dont keep track of these, theres a chance i probably rushed some of them. i think i just stumble upon some of them without rly knowing what it is and therefore skipping through? it has summary though right?

[vague shoal]

I'm 80% sure it was fake

[honest rain]

It was serious enough to give YM motivation to work hard and fast, so what's the difference, really?

[vague shoal]

Yeah I suppose lol

[honest rain]

You can also rewind some of them, or rewatvh on YouTube if you're confused

[stable gazelle]

okkk ty all

[celest flume]

Its nothing
Everything was planned out to take down lord Shi
Little Zhao is on our side
Spoilers
He'll be in our quest when the next region opens

[crimson birch]

HELL YEAH we're seeing zhao guangyi soon

[sudden shard]

Bujianshan? Or hexi?

I remember we meet him on Bujianshan

[celest flume]

Wasnt hexi gonna be released before bujianshan
Im not sure

[sudden shard]

Yes, hexi is before bujianshan

Does the mysterious woman in bamboo hat on ch 3 is our ||presume sister||??

[foggy tiger]

damn finally got no hit bounty but its only 1 objective. them whale be penny pinching nowadays

[tropic furnace]

Does anyone know anything about this boss? It’s a CN server one, wondering if anybody has any information. Literally my favorite boss in the entire game

[keen forge]

Hi, what is the answer of the quiz:
Who's the suspect in the Ghost Bride case in Kaifeng?

[foggy tiger]

everyone

[sudden shard]

This boss will be in the next area

[tropic furnace]

That’s awesome! I saw a roadmap for the game saying the next area will be here in February. Is that true you think?

[sudden shard]

Which roadmap?

[tropic furnace]

I’ll send an image of the roadmap

Ok im sorry, but I can’t find the roadmap. If I remember correctly, it said Hexi will be here in February 2026 though 🎉

[sudden shard]

It's okay! Some ppl said in question that Hexi will be available next season, which is 2/6

[knotty fiber]

idt theres an official road map for when Global would expect Hexi, just speculation that Most Likely it would arrive in Feb.

[fringe olive]

Same all quests finished in jianghu except the encounter ones

[last pasture]

Complete everything

[celest flume]

We have a sister?

[iron canyon]

and i believe its also to protect ym they cant make it too obvious since they recognised who ym is

[iron canyon]

which one? i know there's a character that's almost like a parallel to us

[mint pivot]

Hexi: 五残 (Wucan) boss design meaning

||In the story, the boss is given two close-up faces: one is a eunuch-like ghost face, referring to Eunuch Zhong, and the other is a female ghost face, pointing to Zhang Huaiyue. The bird wings on Wu Can represent assassins and the Wu Guard operating behind the scenes.

During the fight, players will notice that although Wu Can is a single garrison boss, it has two HP bars: “天听(Heaven’s Hearing)” and “地祸(Earth’s Calamity).” This reflects how Zhang the Younger General’s death had many causes, but to the people of Hexi and outsiders, only two were visible on the surface:
• 天听 → the Tang court’s death decree
• 地祸 → Zhang Huaiyue’s internal power seizure

The assassins of the Wu Guard and Minister Suo’s betrayal are hidden causes, not openly seen.

The most subtle detail is Minister Suo himself. He appears as an individual character, not an abstract symbol. At first, he is portrayed as Zhang’s close friend and protector—even shortly before the incident. Yet at the final moment, he delivers the decisive betrayal. In the boss fight, he appears in a form resembling an ally, only to suddenly strike the player—mirroring how he stabbed Zhang in the back while posing as a friend.

(So when players see him appear during the fight, don’t be moved too quickly—this is someone the story already makes clear betrayed Zhang and joined those responsible for his death. Such a person was never truly an “ally.”)
Who was truly responsible for the Zhang Huaishen’s death? the “五残(Five Remnants)” that killed him may never have been a single person, but rather the eunuchs, foreign enemies, the court, friends and kin, and the era itself. ||

[lament grotto]

xiao shi and shen yu are so cute my teeth are about to rot

god i feel like such a third wheel on this quest

[sudden shard]

The one Li Zuo's pick up

[iron canyon]

ahhhh then what I was thinking is right. Nothing is sure for now (mc's identity and stuff)||, but the girl has a very similar past like us (both getting picked up by someone else). The difference is that mc grew up with a lot of love from uncle jiang and aunt han while the other girl is emotionally suppressed in a way (li zuo sucks in handling the emotional side you can say (there are other side characters that also picked up children and they grew up whole), tho there are speculations on what caused him like that)||

[sudden shard]

Err idk if it's count as our sister or not, but she is also baby from the zhongdu bridge war

[paper rampart]

Genshin Impact story?

[sudden shard]

Ohh, someone said the girl is similar to Liu Qingyi

[iron canyon]

mhm, as the girl grew up she looked even more alike liu qingyi ||(who is lizuo's lover), so it could be that lizuo wants to prevent himself from being inappropriate and hurt the girl, thats the most popular statement||

[royal plover]

Revarly hall are the base of velvet shade or not?

And i thought yingying is part/leader of velvet shade bc she there like their leader

[iron canyon]

first one is a yes, second is a no, yingying is just working with the velvet shade

[plain star]

the entire velvet shade area in Kaifeng is their base.

[sudden shard]

She even has the jade too! So, the paper doll she makes it because she is lonely right? And she want to get Li Zuo attention iirc

I watch wwm cn gameplay on yt. It's hard to search for gameplays that not either skip or fast forward the scenes

I came across the Hexi song after the ch 3 end, so that's why I watch cn gameplay alongside to satisfy my curiousity 🤣

[iron canyon]

i've been spoiled bits here and there but i can't stop watching is hooking me up

[iron canyon]

those paper dolls are her friends she's a poor girl too ||esp after she met mc she saw how mc was talking about uncle jiang and aunt han🥹 mc is really lucky. Void King was also raised by liuqingyi but after lizhuo took over him... look at him now||

[tardy swift]

So I never done lot of encounters and some have lore in it.
Am I seeing this correctly Our step farther killed his own adopted father?

[sudden shard]

Same!

[sudden shard]

Aww... I pity her, but I do wonder if we were switched, will we be like her

And just know that aureate pavilion's goal is to restore tang

[proper orbit]

MC calls him uncle jiang, so.. kinda like a step father.. and kinda like an uncle... and ||Jiang Yan didn't kill Wang Qing in the normal sense.. he killed the zombified version of Wang Qing||

[tardy swift]

Ahhh makes more sense, you'd think they would make that more noticeable in that mission then...

[plain star]

The General was killed by different ones.
Then he was "resurrected" as a zombie by the bug (same bug that the emperor ai used on void king at the beginning of the game)
Uncle Jiang has to kill the zombie general.

[vague shoal]

I think he purposely let himself become a dream puppet

[iron canyon]

I believe mc is also a nice person in heart just like the girl, mc was quite mischievious since mc grew up in a loving environment ||the girl's personality didn't develop in an extreme way in her environment is thanks to her gentle nature where we can see details of these in the story||

[iron canyon]

yep, he ran was tricked to deliver the box that turned him into a dream puppet, but the general chose to sacrifice himself to protect uncle jiang

[fringe olive]

Wow

[fringe olive]

I wonder what happened to mc real parents

[tardy swift]

Whats the deal with Night Asura?

[proper orbit]

I guess most of us are wondering the same at some point

[fringe olive]

For now , Yi dao is a father figure NGL

[proper orbit]

sigh... well....

[iron canyon]

gotta wait for the story to go on, one day we will know

[limpid wolf]

Most likely they are the Tang Emperor son

[haughty forge]

why do twin lions hate me

[limpid wolf]

Chinese

[paper rampart]

Wrong. He killed Wang Qing with his subconscious mind still aware.

[proper orbit]

"subconscious mind still aware"?

[paper rampart]

Yes. I have to say that so I can say that to be able to say that.

[nova vale]

So when is the uncle coming back to the story

[lime coral]

Can someone explain to me why the River Master fought us? I thought he was the informant?

What were we actually trying to accomplish on this mission?

[vague shoal]

He wanted to have an audience with lil zhao who was lurking during the whole thing, so by fighting us the river master lured him out is what i understood

[limpid wolf]

He tells you. He is a fisherman and he needs bait for a big catch.

He leaks information through Zhang Cuo(who is working under the Song court) as to the return of the River Master.

He also purposefully lets rumors that the River Master is going to collaborate with the Khitan to alarm the Song court, to get the attention of the Emperor and his brother.

With the barge he is trying to fish out of the river he holds an important piece for the legitimacy of the Emperor, which he can give to the Khitan in the north to empower them with political power.

You, as the player, are just an intermediary. The Song has sent you as an agent and he is using you to get the attention of Little Zhao by making a big fuss

In short, he is making a theather play with you so he can get to Zhao directly and away from the walls of Kaifeng. (That is why he also has some dance inspired moves, to amp up his performance so people notice. Also because he is built different)

[lime coral]

Damn so he was basically playing with us like Tian Ying

We truly are a frog in the well

Why did he want to see Lil Zhao?

[vague shoal]

He suspected the song court got sthing to do with his wife’s death

[lime coral]

Zhu Yu? I thought it was a one sided romance

[vague shoal]

Nah bro, zhu yu is his wife

Feng ruzhi is their biological kid

While zhang cou and zheng e are adopted

[lime coral]

Thanks guys
The story is so good but its so obscure
I like how everything connects somehow

[honest rain]

Feng Yi wasn't househusbanding with three kids out there for you to think it's one-sided

[lime coral]

I didnt even know he had children, I was so lost in that campaign

That entire campaign was the most confusing of all campaigns tbh

[honest rain]

True, nothing in the campaign indicates that Zhang Cuo (y'now, the guy that pointed YM in the direction of this quest) is Feng Yi's adopted son, and Feng Ruzhi is his daughter

[lime coral]

I initially thought Big Zhao and Zhu Yu had something going on since he made a building dedicated for her

Turns out it was just pure admiration

[limpid wolf]

The story is divided in campaigns, letters in the overworld and even side quests.

For example the little girl in the ruins of the Zhang estate finds out how Zhang Cuo escaped the massacre of his family

[limpid wolf]

Zhu Yu is very much a national hero to the region with how she is involved with every heroic act in the last 15 years

[honest rain]

I think it was a way to show her his gratitude for establishing Medical Academy

[lime coral]

Yeah it just hit me she was the red robed warrior in the gold leaf questline

Was the remains in the dragon temple her?

[honest rain]

Highly recommend his journal entry as starting point for this family's lore, it's on the funnier side

[limpid wolf]

Yes, that is why Yi cracks his mask in a similar manner

[lime coral]

Man i actually forgot this feature

Thanks for reminding me

[honest rain]

Also, don't forget about compendium – 3/5 family members have boss entries

[limpid wolf]

The only actual mystery still remaining is what did Little Zhao tell to Feng Yi and how much guilty the Zhao brothers are to her death

[honest rain]

And their collectibles, boy oh boy, do devs love putting lore in the collectibles

[limpid wolf]

From circumstantial evidence it is more likely the city had just too much too handle to respond to her pleas and Big Zhao was forced to let her die so that he could stop a civil war

[lime coral]

I thought soulslike storytelling was esoteric enough

This game takes it a whole step further lmao

[limpid wolf]

It is not really esoteric when you have compedium entries. People just forget to read about it.

Also they dont do side content

[honest rain]

Don't forget the translation mistakes and [non-transferable Chinese terms] making it ever "easier" to understand

[limpid wolf]

Honestly, I dont understand jackshit of CHinese and have very cursory knowledge on the period and still get 95% of waht is going on.

Sure some dialog is convoluted and dont get the idiom, but you get the idea

[lime coral]

Welp majority of gamers hate reading

[honest rain]

Yeah, the base of the story is pretty clear, but then there comes something like Feng Ruzhi suddenly turning male in the compendium entry, and you're left scratching your head. The details/mistakes are minor, but they make it frustrating to dig deeper

Take a shot every time I bring up Feng Ruzhi example, ikr

[lime coral]

This, this is so true

[limpid wolf]

THe only quest that is legit terrible in translation is the Headman quest

[honest rain]

Not to mention cultural things like the "mothers give jade pendants to children for protection" thing that was brought up here a few days ago and are never even mentioned in-game

[honest rain]

Yeah, "just" the quest that has major Jiang Yan lore, not a biggie

[limpid wolf]

I mean, even without knowing its a cultural tradition, families giving keepsakes to children is not unheard of

[limpid wolf]

Oh yeah, not saying its not imporant. Just that the one is legit terrible and bad. Other times its just too flowery, but still understandable

[lime coral]

Was this the guy who left heads in the dilapidated shack?

[honest rain]

Not unheard of, but the perspective on starting cutscene shifts, depending on your understanding of Jade pendant

One thing to see ||uncle Jiang|| taking the pendant with basically YM's ID, and the other is taking their sign of protection from evil

[honest rain]

This guy (I don't remember the start of that quest)

[lime coral]

Yeah that guy left heads in the starting area haha

I was also confused but a signpost saved the day

[limpid wolf]

Yes

[limpid wolf]

I think it being our ID is the most important part of the deal

[honest rain]

Right, but it seems like for people who know of this tradition the situation reads as grey-ish (especially considering the amount of trouble that immediately got dumped on YM's head, as if some protection was removed, wink-wink nudge-nudge), while for those who don't know it reads as "annoying but he's protecting us"

Anyways, we're having the argument about half-empty/half-full, we should probably stop

[limpid wolf]

On a unrelated note but slightly related, I hate how Qianye is hyped as this really powerful enemy when she got pushed around and needed 100 minions to do the job for her

She is a certified bum

[honest rain]

I mean, for a 16y/o father-when-can-I-see-the-world YM Qianye is a considerable threat, but yeah, sending someone her level againg Han Xiangxun herself was dumb on Pavillion's part

[limpid wolf]

Give me liberty, give me death
Only send me against non threats

[limpid wolf]

I bet she asked for this because she has her brothers liver

[honest rain]

It really seems very personal for Qianye, while Aunt Han barely recognized her

[limpid wolf]

It took only Yi Dao, a barely adolescent guy and 3 armed randos to basically put a halt to her and an army.

I bet if Master Gongsun was also there she would be wiped

Aureate pavillion really needs to put more budget in their talent seeking, because they are made out of bums

[limpid wolf]

"For me, it was a tuesday"

[honest rain]

"We went to school together"

[limpid wolf]

You know what the Pavillion needs?

The monkeys from Sekiro. A short scouting trip to the north of Japan

And China is theirs

[honest rain]

I mean, lord Shi was reasonably leveled against politics... too bad they didn't account for said politicians ropping in a 16 y/o with little to no self-preservation and "sword to the face" as primary communication method

But for Qianye it almost like someone wanted to get rid of her annoying ahh in the office/HQ

[limpid wolf]

Unga bunga is truly the best of way of relaying information and intent

[hidden kelp]

HR wanted to avoid paying severance package

[vast glade]

well tbf even when half exhausted we are able to send her flying with just pure rage and like 3 sword swings so ye

[limpid wolf]

They did not want to pay her insurance premiums since she has a preexisting condition

[abstract widget]

[gloomy flame]

honk honk!

[fringe olive]

Lol

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🤣

[fringe olive]

[abstract widget]

honk honk

[fringe olive]

Lol demon geese gonna beat the sit out of ghost master

[steel plinth]

[mystic idol]

Its not as superstitious as that, the other guy imo made it seem like a bigger deal than it is

In his example, the “ward off evil” is more akin to giving someone a good luck charm. Cultural significance wise its more noteworthy that for jade its often meant to be carried long tern so that “cultivate and grow” the jade — something like good deeds and a kind heart etc will make the jade more pure and beautiful, whereas the opposite makes it look undesirable

that being said I’m pretty sure the individual in the beginning cutscene is Jiang (eyebrows and eyes are very telling) and he’s not trying to screw over the MC lol

In fact depending on who is giving you the jade, it can have different meanings as well (i.e. symbol of trust, romance, etc)

[mystic idol]

We didnt halt her tho. You and @honest rain are underestimating Qianye

she did her job, which was to flip the place upside down and look for the nameless list, and left. We didn’t stop them from doing anything.

[honest rain]

I see🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for clarifying!

[honest rain]

Yeah, for me it's rather a haha joke. Qianye is admittedly scary lore-wise, but within the game she's forever going to suffer from being Chapter 1 boss, bc each next threat would be written to one-up previous ones (not necessarily to build on e/o, but as YM gets stronger, the devs are going to throw bigger dangers at them)

[mystic idol]

That’s fair haha, I have to remind myself all we really did was just fight her illusion that she used to distract us

I heard apparently Qianye’s back in most recent chapters of CN story — or upcoming. So kind of curious how that’ll unravel

[honest rain]

True-true, no body – no confirmed death

Imagine Qianye returning in Ch7+ and going for revenge specifically against YM, bc they dare stand in her way all the way back in Ch1, that'd be a tasty callback, and she'll be able to show off her full strength

Trying to steal YM's strong, young & healthy liver... hopefully she can get them before Raging Tides😂

[sudden shard]

I do hope we can do undercover mission in aureate pavilion base to meet big boss and not fight him🤣

[uncut silo]

Why does ym pretend to be dead after Ch1?

Like what is the reasoning

[honest rain]

Aureate Pavillion is CLEARLY after Aunt Han/Uncle Jiang/their whole operation, and YM is their known adopted son. To avoid their pursuit at low levels, it's safer to be legally dead

[limpid wolf]

You are the prime target for them due to your knowledge of the faceless, knowing Xiangxun and having the jade pendant

[uncut silo]

Ahhh

Another question, why do people say Tian Young is tragic?

[limpid wolf]

Wasted life for a cause and emperor taht went nowhere

[uncut silo]

Hardly tragic

If anything I feel for his brother

[sudden shard]

Tian qi?

[uncut silo]

I assume so

The younger one that followed him

[limpid wolf]

Tian Ying is not tragic as a person. Mostly its his group and Chai Rong that is, maybe not tragic, but wasted

[uncut silo]

I see

[limpid wolf]

He is one ruthless mofo

[honest rain]

Tian Ying is hard on everyone around and on himself

[uncut silo]

Tian Ying could’ve been more handsome

I guess he was probably down there waiting for a 16 year old for quite a while

[honest rain]

No need to shave when you're wearing mask 24/7. Efficient king

[uncut silo]

Bit weird honestly

[uncut silo]

Didnt expect to get to 3rd phase ig

[mystic idol]

tian ying is like mid-late 30s probably

but also i said it before but hes not waiting for us

he expected aureate pavilion

[uncut silo]

Tell it to Chris Hansen

[mystic idol]

Aureate pavilion is hunting tian ying + han xiangxun + jiang due to involvement with hanging blade and other plots that are concerning the southern tang and khitans

[honest rain]

Might be all the way to early 40s, I think he's quite older than Jiang Yan, and he's like 35y/o at the start of the plot

[uncut silo]

Don’t spoil too much for me, obviously I’m here knowingly but still

If there are like CN things

[honest rain]

A wanted man in more ways than one😂

[uncut silo]

NBC’s to catch a predator

[mystic idol]

iirc li zhen zhen also not that young

you can go back and retrace the questline with the horse from that village

since that was how long ago the khitan envoy assassination was

then add at least another decade, i forget the exact number of years

[honest rain]

My guess is that she's about same age as Jiang Yan🤔

[mystic idol]

and jiang yan is about 35~36 or so iirc

cuz MC is 16, and i think jiangyan was maybe 19ish when he picked up MC

[honest rain]

Damn, imagine becoming adoptive dad at ~19

[mystic idol]

this would kinda make sense cuz that’d put tian ying at around maybe 14-16ish when he saved lizhenzhen

and lizhenzhen prob like 10-12ish

[uncut silo]

Jiang yan has significantly better skin

[mystic idol]

cuz she was supposed to be a ghost bride

[honest rain]

Benefits of alliance with Water Lady and Ferryman

[uncut silo]

Ig

[mystic idol]

jiangyan prob also has much more relaxing life than tian ying lol

[uncut silo]

That’s the real tragedy 😔

[honest rain]

And apparently parenting is much less stressful than spy shenanigans

[mystic idol]

at least jiangyan got to enjoy retreat from jianghu until 3 years ago from current time

when he got called to save tian ying

[uncut silo]

I mean that begs the question

If we were adopted by Tian Ying

Would he have clearer skin

[honest rain]

Apparently, YM was a sound sleeper as a baby, so at least a few wrinkles less

[uncut silo]

Now I understand this is a lore chat

But where in dark surges does it mention YM’s sleeping habits

[uncut silo]

Uncle skill diff

[mystic idol]

yeah it was in one of the entries lol, and the adoptees were yaoyaoyao and the other guy who left after remembering his past in ch1

[uncut silo]

Huh, interesting

[honest rain]

I think the other's name was Doudou or Duoduo, my eyes can't be trusted when it comes to order of letters

[honest rain]

Or he was just lying to one-up doc

[mystic idol]

Yeah youre right Dou doudou

[honest rain]

Man does he love a good repetition in names

Did he really call his kids "pills" and "physical activity"

[earnest vortex]

So I have a question, I got a pic of a quest sent in by a friend of mine and I want to do the quest but idk which one it is

Just dm me if you want to help

[iron canyon]

if i remembered correctly the kids were pretty weak when he found them, so he wanted to give them good names so that they can grow up safely and also matching their personality

[honest rain]

I understand, but also Did he Just Look at prescriptions for patients and copied to kids' documents? This man is hilarious.

[iron canyon]

he pretty much studied medicine for his whole life, can't blame him tbh, but his kids grew up safe and sound

[plain star]

Irl back in these days parents often gave their kids an ugly name if they wanted them to have good life, because they believed a beautiful name can attract the demons.

[honest rain]

I think it's more likely that Dr.Tian is lowkey silly like that

[lyric pasture]

Li Zuo has found immortality?

[hidden kelp]

Is this guy supposed to be a Chinese pun on 撸猫? LOL

lu mao 😂

[proper orbit]

lol I won't be surprised... it doesn't help that he is right in front of the cat

[proper orbit]

It's a shame that 吱吱 wasn't localized into Zhi Zhi... which would have sounded cuter for the cat (a squeaking cat?)

But if it were Zhi Zhi, the squeaking meaning would be lost on English speakers

[iron canyon]

back in the days they take names very seriously so its not essentially like an ugly or beautiful name category. parents often put what they hope their children will become in the future into their names, and some of them would go for divination for a name that will become a blessing

[proper orbit]

One of my friends' name is 带弟, which sounds unusual for a female (or anybody really), and it literally translates as "bring little brother" , and though she didn't tell me, it seemed quite obvious that the parents, after having 3 daughters, would like the next one to be a son..

[prime fog]

every default man having the same scar as the MC makes me crazy 😠

[plain star]

My parents already prepared a very manly name for me before I was born (they said that it was an emperor's name). They really want a son because my father is the only alive male member of his family, and I also have 3 sisters.
Then boom, I'm still a girl.
Thanks to them that they thought about another name and gave me a female name instead of putting the male name on me.

I have a female colleague whose name was literally mean "a man".

[iron canyon]

unfortunately thats quite a common scenario particularly for our parents and above generations, since they have a stigma of boys > girls... tho some of those who were named like that also went to change their names as they grew up

[acoustic bridge]

just did rivermaster quest but im super confused how we got roped into it, why we helped, and why we ended up fighting the guy at the end. We just talked to some random stranger, met up with the fisherman that took us to Kaifeng, invaded some place, and i fought the guy i helped invade the place in the end

[peak perch]

Not a single thought behind those eyes 🥀

[vague shoal]

He’s not random guy, you’ve probably missed alot

#📖lore-chat message

[acoustic bridge]

Damn it. I don’t even know what side quests I’m missing

[vague shoal]

Someone explained it a little, you can read the messages from there to get more context

It’s not side quest, but little clues like anecdote copendiums antiqurs that you have to collect to have a bigger understanding of the river master arc

[acoustic bridge]

But the random guy not being random means there’s a place i should’ve seen him prior right?

Or did u just mean that as in he’s not an insignificant character in this quest

[celest flume]

im crine

[vague shoal]

Yeah he’s master of kaifeng west suburbs i thik

He leads a gang there

I cant remember where but the anecdotes of that place tell you who zhang cou is

[celest flume]

The boat man if Feng Yi
Husband of Zhu Yu
He is also the current river master and the dragon king he rides into battle is Zhu Yu herself which we kill TWICE if you do the quest "River's Fury" and Heavenfall campaign
in the campaign his name is displayed as Er Ma

[vague shoal]

And there’s also his lore in thr zhang manor outpost

[vague shoal]

No, river’s fury is a different fish

That’s zhu yu’s pet fish but she died so no one was around to end the fish’s misery

[celest flume]

I thought it was the same fish
A'Yu

[vague shoal]

Fish we fought was feng yi’s

Each river master has a different fish

Zhu yu was the last one and after she died feng yi became the current

[plain star]

actually, it's not a bad name.

[celest flume]

hm

[vague shoal]

The man in black that killed zhu yu during the flood is highly likely under orders or is lil zhao in my opinion

[acoustic bridge]

I kinda understand how a lot of these Kaifeng bosses are people who were wronged by the song dynasty, but that kind of confuses my perception of our characters role in the conflict. I’m assuming we aren’t taking any side because we’re just a wanderer, but wouldn’t this make Big Zhao an antagonist to all of these people including the Ember of the East?

[vague shoal]

Not really, they are all manipulated by shimmer of the south to act against song

But im 90% sure if song did them dirty, it was lil zhao’s plans

[celest flume]

yeah lil zhao

[celest flume]

we arent taking any sides
this game is about fighting for the common good

[celest flume]

little zhao is under big zhao's control

[vague shoal]

If you play the omens quest you can see that lil zhao is willing to dirty his hands because big zhao is too merciful

[celest flume]

He's the emperor thats why he needs that reputation for later on when the lore expands

[vague shoal]

Well we cna call it propaganda but considering how lil zhao took the throne later according to history, it's not that weird that he has acted many times behind his brother's back lol

[celest flume]

mhm

talking about little zhao
in his other clothing than the imperial judge uniform
pretty smashable

[vague shoal]

And how many people just died offscreen after lil zhao visit or gifted them stuff

[celest flume]

how do you know ppl died offscreen due to him only

[acoustic bridge]

Yea that’s why I said we’re not taking sides as a wanderer and we pretty much go towards what we feel the more correct decision is

The relationship between key characters just confused me.

Like take the Kaifeng bosses I mentioned. They were all pretty much wronged by the Song Dynasty and kind of made a united attempt to push back their future military plans by a collective effort more or less organized by the Ember of the East.

But during the main story, Big Zhao, someone kind of represented as a good person pursuing stability of the people under him as the emperor, is working with people like the EoE even tho they aren’t really on the same side when we dive deeper into the peripheral bosses.

So that makes me wonder why even help the main story crisis if you really aren’t on the same side at the end of the day. Like is their ideal outcome the fall of the Song Dynasty, or simply preventing their military action

[vague shoal]

People just die according to mysterious circumstances when emperor lil zhao was involved so yeah, he's sus no matter what the truth is

[vague shoal]

MC was "fed" poison so he's ofc on the side of the song court

[celest flume]

the bosses doesnt confuse me but the zhao brothers do
big zhao even more because we dont know his plans as the emperor, and that at the end of the universal furnace quest we know that the government have implemented paper money

[vague shoal]

And the tang confiscation policy is not big zhao's idea, it's lil zhao's

Big zhao was skeptical about it so he went into disguse as a peasant to see the lives of the commoner under that policy

[celest flume]

yea so thats confusing if they're on the same boat why does it tend to go different directions

[vague shoal]

Unifying China is their goal, it's not surprising big zhao agreed to the policy

Just not 100% so he went to see for himself

[paper rampart]

Hands up if you assume a’yu was zhu yu, not the dragon fish.

[vague shoal]

I met ayu the fish first before zhu yu so never had that trouble lol

[vague shoal]

The original plan was to incite a revolt to halt the military invasion against southern tang, but ember of the east had a change of heart because the people was suffering so much. And with us killing lord shi, she convinced big zhao to open the treasury, which in the end delayed the invasion still so it was an acceptable outcome for the simmer of the south