📖lore-chat

[timber nebula]

Small zao inner demon not even worthy of a trial

[gritty sinew]

Guys is aunty Han the one who saves us from explosion? When we are attempting to go back to Yi Dao?

[visual trench]

Yeah imma be real with you bro

Yi Dao’s dead

Wait I read the message wrong nvm

[gritty sinew]

Dang I thought aunty Han saves him too

Bruhhh

[visual trench]

R.i.p my goat🥀

[foggy tiger]

I don't want to fight big Zhao. Phase 1 throw chicken. Phase 2 throw geese. No way I winning that

[wraith sigil]

Phase 3 2h flail

I still don’t know if it’s true that one guy that got sentenced to 30 years for killing big zhao

Like i said not sure if real but funny if it was

[slender vector]

hes lucky he and his whole guild isn’t executed instead

[wraith sigil]

He just needs to pay 946 million in fines

[wraith sigil]

His guild his cohort his partner his partner’s partners his masters his disciples

[crimson cave]

Mc too fat

[modern kite]

Heyy

[nova bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-overweight-fat-gif-14968614

[slender vector]

do hexi and bjs oddities give more endurance buffs or nah

[slender gust]

guys, will this games story going to get much darker than what's shown in the global or nah?

[nova bluff]

if you mean more feels

yes we get more feels

[slender gust]

ooh helll nahhh

ur not lying right?

[nova bluff]

ive played all the released story in cn

and ive felt the most feels during Hexi's Yumen Pass

[slender gust]

....

i just hope yingying doesn't die, she wont right?

[nova bluff]

nope

she will appear later on and give you two idjeet to take care of

[slender gust]

i just cannot comprehend that widow zhao's baby is ded

[slender gust]

😭 dang more work for the mc

[wraith sigil]

If Mohists can make big bird why not attack helicopters and tanks

[nova bluff]

uuuuh...

[slender gust]

i got this feeling that more of our (mc) friends will die, i just hope it wont come to this

[wraith sigil]

If it’s wuxia story they all dying at least most of them

Also 5/10 is just overall a bad time

[slender gust]

i forgot, this isn't a modern setting lmfaoo

not my secttt

what did they even do to ||get slaughtered||

[compact pagoda]

Can anyone explain me the lore before meeting aunt han, I just started and I didn't focus on the story much

[mint spade]

A 16 year old kid got ambushed by someone they totally don't know dressed in all black, their face covered, right before they were gonna go on a play-date with their mentally equally aged friend Ruby to go to the market, so they can discover what cool new jianghu stuff is gonna be there.

[wraith sigil]

Pretty accurate

[true mesa]

I’m glad his name was mentioned. I think this detail is overlooked while it could be much more intrigue.

Zhang Yanqing is Zhang Cuo’s father, and I believe the severed head inside the Dragon King statue in the Eternal Solitude Hall belongs to Zhang Yanqing, the 67th River Master.

When the Khitan attacked Roaring Sands, he and Zhu Yu devised a plan: Zhang Yanqing would claim the title of River Master and feign surrender to the Khitan, deceiving them so that Zhu Yu could control the fish and drown the invaders.

Because of this surrender, his name was cursed by the people of Roaring Sands. Later, the Khitan took revenge, Zhang Manor was raided, and Zhang Yanqing was decapitated. Zhu Yu arrived in time to rescue Zhang Cuo and took Zhang Yanqing’s severed head with her.

I believe that the severed head placed inside the Dragon King statue in the Eternal Solitude Hall is Zhang Yanqing’s. Zhu Yu did this so that when the people of Roaring Sands bow to the River Master, they are also bowing to Zhang Yanqing, the one who sacrificed himself to save them not the coward who surrendered. They would never know the truth.

His brother, Zhang Yanling (the Eccentric Elder), also carved Zhang Yanqing’s name onto the spirit tablet as a river master when the MC arrives.

[slender gust]

Who's the strongest fighter in the story?

[mint spade]

General Wang Qing was the top honcho in Well of Heaven before he quit his position, passed the title back to his predecessor, and went to serve in the government as a general.

So when he fought his final battle against the Khitans, 300 elite members of Well of Heaven knelt before their leader to beg to assist their old leader.... Who allowed them to go.

Well, the battle was a disaster because Wang Qing was betrayed, and the 300 elite members of Well of Heaven, being some of the fiercest warriors slaughtering the Khitans, were especially 'taken care of', every single one of them beheaded and their heads used to create a 'jingguan', a monument made of dead bodies to intimidate enemies.

[slender gust]

tf, who took care of them anyway

Oh wait was that the story in the tiger fort? I forgot what it is but it reminded me of that

[mint spade]

The Khitans, they were on the losing side of a war and got killed in battle, and the Khitans often made these monuments of strong adversaries to prove they were stronger.

[slender gust]

danggg not my sect

[mint spade]

So that's why when we get Heng Dao, the matching mo dao art is all for chopping off filthy Khitan heads.

[slender gust]

I'm really confused about the states of this game, are the khitan still dominating the country. Sorry I don't know what the proper term is so i just used the word country lol

[mint spade]

Yes, this is the period of time just after the fall of Tang, where the Khitans took the chance to take the north-western part of China and hold it for the next 400 years

All the anti-khitan resistance we're seeing is doomed to fail

[slender gust]

Sooo it will take much longer to get a revenge lol

[slender gust]

Dang so even tian ying is gonna fail😭

Mannnn i hope someday, someone will create a document about this games story cus i wanna read it

I'm sooo intrigued by the side quest with he ran

Poor guy

[nova bluff]

theres probably 5 different youtubers who will explain to you the same thing people here parrots

[slender gust]

Ok what's up with li zuo being an antagonist? Like what's his motivation or goals? Is it like to restore and make a lasting empire?

[nova bluff]

go watch those

[mellow horizon]

There is 1 Story-Explanation I made about He Ran

Also for Tian Ying

if someone should need it

[olive hill]

what does giving the knife instead of the flowrr change? for the blind to the world quest

[slender gust]

Where can I see it?

[mellow horizon]

Check the pinned messages here

u need to scroll a bit

[slender gust]

Thank you

[mellow horizon]

#📖lore-chat message

To make it a bit easier

[nova bluff]

it doesnt change anything, you have to give the correct items to progress

[olive hill]

google said theres a slight change to the narrative? is it just the cutscene/dialogue

[nova bluff]

confirm it yourself and go watch a walk-through, or wait for when (or if) global gets the replay function

the game doesnt really do that thing where your choice changes something that isnt predetermined to happen already

[open coyote]

oh that is interesting. The more I read about Zhu Yu, the more I'm in love with her character.

[sturdy merlin]

i just realized that yinying is likely older than protag and she just robbed a minor's money and didnt care if a 16yo became homeless

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-ホロライブ-hologra-ホロぐら-hoshimachi-suisei-gif-24431091

[wraith sigil]

I believe this is where we're at

as you can see we just a little guy

[wraith sigil]

man hero genius general betrayed by evil academic civil servants and government is a Chinese story as old as time. Limu (Riboku) Wang Qing Yue Fei

I grew up hating 文官 so much

[mint spade]

Wang Qing was not betrayed by an evil academic civil servant though. He was betrayed by a fellow general who did not send him reinforcements.

[wraith sigil]

I see 文官 in a TV show, they're the baddie!

yeah I guess true that guy was just making his own plans

[mint spade]

She's 36 years old at the very least if historical records are accurate.

Who knows how old she really is though considering there's a few things that could've changed from Aureate Pavilion's involvement.

[wraith sigil]

Jianghu is a dog eat dog world. Not long before this Children were just meat livestocks to be swapped with your neighbor when you couldn't feed them anymore, because it's too messed up to eat your own kids.

[sturdy merlin]

if protag canonically kills tianying, protag should carry tianying's head around so nobody will mess with them ever again

[foggy tiger]

Did u complete qinghe dark surge?

[sturdy merlin]

no

encounter rng made me give up the 100% exploration dream

i cant get general shrine well quest to trigger

i hope someone does a character strength ranking

yi dao was so hyped up but he was not as powerful as the stories make him sound

[foggy tiger]

U'll know about tianying story if u complete dark surge

[sturdy merlin]

i just watched half a lore vid that im planning to finish later today

im up to the part where tianying saved some blind girl in wraith village and her groom randomly got the disease

[foggy tiger]

If u can't get encounter to trigger make sure u have not more than 1 encounter or pending encounters. If u already done that it's still not happening make sure to wait at least half an hour irl time before going back there

[sturdy merlin]

yeah i heard abt the half hour cd 😭 agonizing

[mint spade]

There's no real such thing in this setting, it's classical wuxia, there isn't gonna be some Late-Stage Transcendental Realm Perfected Level Qi Projection Tier Dragon Body Divine Soul Guardian Beast Blood Triple Sec Gin and Tonic Martial Artist being the top #1 in the world.

Everyone can die, everyone can beat everyone, all it takes is a shank in a bad spot for even the strongest to fall

[sturdy merlin]

i mean, im pretty sure theres like a strength tier of some sort

like how many trash randos can uncle jiang mow through vs qianye

i was pretty disappointed that yi dao just kicked the bucket so quickly

maybe the top tiers turn into a rock paper scissors, but theres a clear diff between trash mobs and skilled fighters

[alpine path]

Well he would not kick the bucket if it was not for mc

[mint spade]

The lines are still too blurry to really say anything, but obviously yea nameless trash mobs are not gonna beat a named master anytime soon.

[sturdy merlin]

#💬martial-pavilion said that granny turtle says that yinying and protag are the same age

is yinying 36 then or is the game's lore borked 😭

[keen spoke]

RUUUUUUBYYYYYY T-T AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[vague shoal]

I think she's probably in her twenties

[sturdy merlin]

well the older she is, the worse it sounds considering how she likely scammed a lot of people including protag 😭

[mint spade]

Yingying is born rich, rich girls can be as young as they need to be.

[sturdy merlin]

is there like a minimum age than yinying should be

yinying being only 16 seems unlikely and im convinced granny turtle is in late stage dementia anyway

[mint spade]

Can't be less than 20 honestly, considering how much she went through in her home town

and Granny Turtle still thinks Yingying is the same one in her memories who died 11 years ago in the Khitan slaughter so...

[sturdy merlin]

real

[mint spade]

because her uncle, the one who disposed of her mother for having an illegitimate child(her), died historically 36 years ago

[sturdy merlin]

if this was an rpg, i would immediately choose the "report yinying to the authorities" option

[mint spade]

So at the very, very least, she must have been born 36 years ago if history is followed, and even if not... She needs enough time to grow up being bullied

then enough time to gather a power base and climb to the top of a cutthroat business empire

and at the same time completely ruin Shi Zhen's life, and then facilitate their face-heel-turn, then give Shi Zhen enough time to take revenge...

So outside of writing her as some super Mary Sue who is a martial arts master at the age of 16 and at the same time has business acumen to make lots of money and is totally ruthless and commands an entire city... Yea not likely she's anywhere CLOSE to your age.

[mint spade]

Yingying is a walking red flag, even worse than Qianye, should not touch.

[modern karma]

oi

[green sage]

son

[red forum]

What

[opal sonnet]

WOW. just got ripped off by game mechanics. I clicked the email to receive it, but i was at my limit for the weak, to i did not get my jade fish 🙁

[timber nebula]

16 scams of yinying

[random gyro]

Velvet shades relationships with silken veil society / nine mortal ways are hostile or friendly for those?

[mint spade]

I don't even care anymore global are a bunch of trolls

They put Nine Mortal Ways as friendly with Unbound Cavern

Just... Do whatever with the guessing game I guess

[random gyro]

lol I was just asking because in my World information it wants me to pick hostile/ friendly for velvet shade

And their diplomatic relations

[alpine path]

I met players who seriously were convinced of that, so maybe they were not trolling

[timber nebula]

people who did not read the dialouge after side story 6 be like

[slender gust]

Which sects are good and evil in the lore?

[mint spade]

This game is about the tragedies of war time. No time to waste on being good or evil when the Khitans are killing ordinary folks and sacking your homes

[kindred hedge]

Talking about Lady Ugly quest, what happen if you not safe the kids? Anyone choose this line?

[mint spade]

They become ugly and live the rest of their lives as uglies

[paper rampart]

if you chose to save the kids, the ugly lady will die.
if you chose not to save the kids, the ugly lady will die.

[pale knot]

i'd say she's the same age of mc (she was just a child when she rose to power, plus she only arrived very recently to kaifeng). and for those who go around stating how she's too young for that, may i remind you that this is a game where three 9-10 years old girls are a mob boss after spending years fighting in the arena

[paper rampart]

yingying already knew who we are even before exiting the boat that feng yi brought us to kaifeng

[pale knot]

that makes sense. she was in contact with aunt han.

[sturdy merlin]

@mint spade said theres lore records where yinying's uncle died 36 years ago after having an affair with her mom, which the affair made yinying

sooo unless theres a mistranslation somewhere

granny turtle has dementia so her comment abt protag and yinying being the same age is pretty sketchy

[pale knot]

her dementia is calling all girls around mc age yingying

[foggy tiger]

Yingying age isn't important to the story

Many thirsty folk just wish yingying same age so they can fantasise mc and yingying get romantic but it's not that type of game

[paper rampart]

reasons why all males cant have a regular period. they have it every day.

[mint spade]

Not lore records, historically the Lord of Weiyang City that is Yingying's uncle died 36 years prior to this game's time

So who knows what the game canon is

[vague shoal]

She should be way older than 36 if that’s the case, reading her bio her uncle was still alive for a while after she was born

[mint spade]

Yea, she's a hag

[foggy tiger]

When your wife above 36 u should tell her that

And sell ticket for the firework display after

[mint spade]

I didn't marry my wife at 16 years old while she's pretending to be my age though

[abstract ridge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vague shoal]

He’s probably alive for pretty long in the game since the power struggle only began few years ago i think

[mint spade]

Ah, just did fact check, not 36.

Minimum 34 years old.

Big Zhao is 35 right now, so she's potentially older than that guy...

The power struggle only began after she ruled Weiyang City for a while though

[vague shoal]

I think it was only a really short period of time

Bios shud just show character’s ages ngl

[mint spade]

Even if it did, Yingying is the type to show ??? For age

Just like how our current bio shows Big Zhao's name as ???

[vague shoal]

That’s more li zuo

[mental ermine]

Poor emperor zhaozong

[paper rampart]

relax guys

we are 40 years old mc

[pliant wind]

So like ruby ain’t dead

[mental ermine]

As alive as the tang dynasty

[pliant wind]

Or the Qin emperor

Immortal as heck

So the man in the well. That dude murdered someone

I’m sure he was planning on killing us

[foggy tiger]

its not actually a man. thats actually ruby

[pliant wind]

Oh dang yi Dao was uncle jiang the whole time

[pliant wind]

No wonder he/she they/them wanted the red robe

The game didn’t actually show ruby die tho

[foggy tiger]

north korea didnt show kim il sung dying too. hes actually still alive 100%

same logic

[pliant wind]

Tupac is alive

[pliant wind]

It was another black guy

[paper rampart]

Ruby is actually Aunt Han in disguise.

[timber nebula]

who is lady ugly in disguise

who are also the children in disguise

[viscid moat]

where does the intro with unc jiang take place at

[boreal barn]

I’m looking for Tian Ying coz I don’t believe he’s dead

[vague shoal]

He’s not dead, bro new identity now

[boreal barn]

What’s his identity now?

[vague shoal]

Can either spoil or you can unlock hidden ending to know

By completing all dark surge

[boreal barn]

Is it like a special cutscene if I complete all dark surge?

[tardy swift]

In temple that we currently got where we save that one guy from his inner demons, those trials seem to dephic Big Zhaou and not the player, is this also lore drop of big man or is it more of game recording how good and evil we are?

[vague shoal]

Of big zhao and zhao guangyi I think, that guy is the prefect of kaifeng

[boreal barn]

Wait. MC is evil?

[tardy swift]

Well that temple gave us test

we also fought someone inner demons

I was curious of whether our own inner demon was showing the big guy lore or not.

This sounds confusing but im sure some people will get it.

[vague shoal]

That's zhao guangyi's inner demon

[tardy swift]

Temple we go save gives us basically a moraility karma test.

[normal panther]

whats the hubub?

[tardy swift]

If you paid attetion to it.

[tardy swift]

Ye and i slapped that mfer like danny phamton and the box ghost.

[vague shoal]

I still dont understand our involvement with his trauma, but it shows that the younger brother is kinda dissatisfied with big Zhao?

[tardy swift]

Game hints that we are releated to an emperor, so throwing my pennies in, emperors share each other trauma albeit we are merely still feldgling

Though I wonder if our blue bug guy has any familiarity with any of old emperors of actual chinese history or not like big man

[vague shoal]

You mean Li Zuo? he was a real emperor

[mental ermine]

He is the last tang (unified) emperor

[mental ermine]

It's showing the different ideology between big zhao and his brother

[true mesa]

I believe this is the reasonable explaination:

Zhao Er (Zhao Guangyi) and Big Zhao have different mindsets on how to rule. In Zhao Er’s nightmare, we see that back then Big Zhao spared the bandits’ lives, and they later came back and cause more harm. Because of this, Zhao Er believes that to prevent harm, absolute measures are necessary, no mercy. That is why he is so fixated on and firm about his confiscation policy.
The Xuanyang Cult, a Daoist faction aim to stir this trauma in Zhao Er and make brother turn against brother. There are two reasons they did this.
First, when Buddhism was purged during Chai Rong’s rule, Daoism gained more influence. However, they also feared suffering the same fate if the court saw their influence as a potential threat, so they meddled with Zhao Er’s mind.
Second, Daoism usually uses divination to calculate cosmic changes and predict who might become the next emperor. They tried to influence the future emperor so they would benefit once he came to power. In fact, many emperors were obsessed with Daoist immortality and Heaven’s will.
The MC stops this scheme

[vague shoal]

Ohh the daoist cult involvement in that quest would make sense. Big Zhao lowkey fked up though, sparing bandits is always wrong

[true mesa]

Yes, the Kaifeng arc is pretty heavy on political ruling themes. The Song court is very strict toward potential threats or anyone who could challenge its absolute power. That’s why they are harsh on the River Master’s Dragon Hall, force Zhu Yu chose death and strip former generals of Later Zhou of their military power (Shi Shouxin, Murong Yanzhao, Li Jun…). Many people blame Big Zhao, but I think it’s more likely that it’s mainly Zhao Er’s hand.

[mint spade]

While that's why they chose to suppress the dragon hall in heaven fall for not submitting to Song rule, thats totally not the case for Zhu Yu death.

The Song dynasty has famously never used murder as a tool to achieve their political dominance - The Later Zhou military leaders gave up their power peacefully, an almost unheard of feat in previous dynasties.

The officials of the Song court almost transferred seamlessly from the Later Zhou administration.

There is literally zero reason for the Zhao brothers to antagonize Zhu Yu and force her to die when they had great relations with Cai Rong

But they became the most likely suspects due to the circumstances and Heaven Fall refused to cooperate with them out of principle, leading to the terrible stalemate we saw - And why Feng Yi fought you and drew Zhao guanyi out

You and Feng Yi fought to give both parties an "excuse" to meet and talk without either side losing face

[paper rampart]

https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7PCsV_Tqf4

Enjoy for those who love Khitan.

[jolly ingot]

Lorn

[mint spade]

Those who love the Khitan get shunned here

We super racist against them here.

[paper rampart]

I love Khitans.

[true mesa]

Well, lore-wise, I think the Song suppressed Dragon Hall for two reasons.

First, Dragon Hall did not submit. The Song court saw what the Dragon King was capable of during the war against the Khitans fifteen years ago, so forcing the River Master to submit was a necessity. It was too great a risk to mobilize the army while the Roaring Sands surrounding Kaifeng remained unsubdued.

Second, Zhu Yu had come to be revered by the people of the Roaring Sands almost like a living god—more so than the emperor himself. That is why the River Master had to die, as Zhao Er said. Zhu Yu was then given a choice: die, or kneel so that Dragon Hall could survive. (As Feng Yi remarks, this mirrors what happens to Blissful Retreat when those in power want its leader dead.) These reasons had nothing to do with whether Dragon Hall was close to Chai Rong or not; it was simply about ensuring absolute rule and eliminating potential risks.

In Li Jun’s case, he hung a portrait of Guo Wei and openly rebelled, so the Song court sent Murong Yanzhao to suppress him without any attempt at pacification. This shows that the court did use military force as a tool to achieve political dominance—at least within the context of the game.
Later, the Wine and Saber Edict persuaded generals to willingly relinquish their military power. That was a wiser move, one that avoided violence, and I agree with it.

Though the missing piece is still the black clad man who appeared on the day Zhu Yu died. Without this final piece, it’s hard to prove which interpretation is true.

[vague shoal]

Was Zhu Yu given a chance to swear loyalty to Song? When the flood happened she thought Chai Rong was still around right, and the goverment couldnt help, or they let nature run its course so Zhu Yu dies

She died during the flood so which is why Feng Yi refused to cooperate with the goverment later on

[mint spade]

Traitors! Those traitors! Who did this?! Who sent that firework?! I'm putting up a bounty right now!

[foggy tiger]

Liao ain't khitan tho

Aren't they mongols

[mental ermine]

[foggy tiger]

There're all northern steppe tribes at this point I guess

[mental ermine]

Liao is literally the khitan state

[foggy tiger]

Oh got my history mix up

Is there a 唐朝万岁 message?

[mint spade]

Did you forget Li Jun and Big Zhao were comrades in arms for over a decade?

Li Jun did not rebel with no chance for pacification... He rebelled despite being dragged into the plot multiple times.

Zhu Yu didn't even have a chance to receive an invitation to the Song dynasty before the man in black and the flood forced her to die to her poison.

[paper rampart]

Liao is the reason why China is named as China today

Khitan is literally named as China

[mint spade]

No, Khitan gave it one of the names, Cathay, but China comes from Sanskrit for the state of Qin, "Cina"

[paper rampart]

Same same but different

treaty between song and liao made them brothers for 100++ years which amazing.

[wraith sigil]

I was taught China came from Qin-a but the real answer is nobody knows

[wraith sigil]

Even the Mongols hated them or so Age of Empires 2 taught me
Genghis Khan: You men! You will visit each of the outlying tribes. You must convince as many as you can to join our glorious army. But beware the Kara-Khitai. They are without honor.

[true mesa]

I’m not sure I understand your meaning correctly. You said that the Song did not use force as a tool to achieve political dominance. However, in Li Jun’s case, he did not submit to the Song and instead clung to the reclaimed Yan Yun territories of Later Zhou.
For him, only a rightful leader with plan to recover Yan Yun was worthy of being called emperor. Anyone who seized the throne purely through military power was not worth acknowledging.
Even so, the Song still used military force to suppress him at Zezhou, despite that they were once old comrades.
This is my point - the Song did use military force as a tool to achieve political dominance.

[vague shoal]

Can u play as khitans in aoe 2?

[wraith sigil]

You can now

[vague shoal]

Holyyyyy

[wraith sigil]

they were a new civ along with the Jurchens like a while ago

[vague shoal]

Some horde diversity

[wraith sigil]

Pretty OP honestly

[vague shoal]

Man Song doesnt stand a chance

[wraith sigil]

the Liao dao bleed dot is no joke and goes through armor

9 unmitigateable damage in the scope of AOE2 is insane

But actually the most OP Khitan thing is that their Pastures is Way better than Farms so their economy is busted

which is funny because if you play Khitans old players will quote the Mongol campaign.

beware the Kara-Khitai. They are without honor.

[vague shoal]

Khitans are kinda worse than mongols for sure

[mint spade]

What I mean was force is not the primary method - Force only comes after diplomacy fails in Song.

And Zhu Yu never received the diplomacy before her death... At a time when Big Zhao was not even emperor yet.

Thus her death is far more complex than "government bad", which is also why Feng Yi is still cooperative with Big Zhao, and he went north to Liao to investigate Zhu Yu's death instead of South

[wraith sigil]

you'd be correct

because Hunting > Pasture farming

If i remember correctly, Big Zhao don't live that long does he

i recall he didn't last very long, historically I mean

[mint spade]

His life expectancy is 12 years after Kaifeng storyline

[wraith sigil]

I wonder how long this game will go Years wise

I want to at least get to the part that one Khitan General gets skewered by a triple ballista scene

that was a great story. I just forget which emperor it was and how much after Zhao Taizu that was

[vague shoal]

I wonder if we get to fight khitans at all

Southern tang drama gonna take a long ahh time

[wraith sigil]

I want a Liao Dao Martial Art, even tho it is filthy khitan weapon

but i do like that weapon xD

[vague shoal]

Looks kinda ugly ngl, tang dao is still the coolest

[wraith sigil]

they are very fundemnetally different weapons

one is a Dao the other is a polearm-ish

[true mesa]

Her death is far more complex than simply “government bad,” which is also why Feng Yi remains cooperative with Big Zhao. That is also why he went north to Liao to investigate Zhu Yu’s death instead of going south.

⇒ On this point, I agree. It’s more complex than just blaming the government. There could be twisted forces at work, especially with the eventual reveal of the man in black.

However, I thought Feng Yi went north to investigate Chai Rong’s death, not Zhu Yu’s (Mentioned in Bloodscale Hall's background info). Something was also happening in Yannan at the same time, related to a large number of corpses being transported back to Baima Station, them were even spies that changed face by Aunt Han.

[wraith sigil]

Our MoDaos feel very meh as opposed to the real one, I like the diamond looking blade

[true mesa]

No. Chai Rong died in July 959 in Kaifeng. Zhu Yu knew this.

In February 960, when Big Zhao came to Kaifeng, she did not receive any response or support. No one from the court would come to her aid and she understood that her former alliance with Later Zhou no longer had any meaning under the new dynasty.

[vague shoal]

Kinda sad how she perished, I wonder what's the real reason of her death is

It's likely Zhao guangyi behind it, he seems to be the ruthless type and saw zhu yu as a threat

[wraith sigil]

I don't think he does things behind Kuangyi's back tho, I feel like he probably did it with permission or at least a nod

[vague shoal]

Nah man he's definitely the type lol

Considering what happened in real history too

[wraith sigil]

Emperors need someone to do bad stuff they won't do themselves xD

[vague shoal]

From the side quest we know the brother hates Kquangyi's forgiving nature

[wraith sigil]

that's true

you're right xD

[vague shoal]

Im sure he took some matters into his own hands

[wraith sigil]

the tang coin stuff was his hand stirring the pot too

Kuangyi was like i told u so

[paper rampart]

all these started because of one emperor who gave away 16 prefectures.

without it, we wouldnt know who named china after khitan and cathay when spread towards korea japan and europe

[mint spade]

She died before the yellow robe event. The flood coincided with Big Zhao's ascension event, and the army was tied up in the power exchange, and could not come help.

She didn't last until Big Zhao actually came to Kaifeng

[vague shoal]

You mentioned the men in black right, we still don't know who cooked the assasination plot

[mint spade]

Likely not Song, but all fingers point to Song in a framing plot

[vague shoal]

Zhao guangyi hella sus man

[mint spade]

Well another thing about the whole thing is...

People place way, way too much importance on Zhu Yu

[vague shoal]

The tian ying of kai feng, but deceased

[fallen viper]

by this time at the end of chapter 2, do we already know big zhao's true identity or nah?

[vague shoal]

Yes, a lot of hints

Ignoring real history

[fallen viper]

the cutscene where he shows up as emperor already says alot

[vague shoal]

Tbf a lot of people couldnt tell lol

[fallen viper]

that mustache + goatee combo alr tells us

[mellow horizon]

Really glad to see that some ppl here actually read the lore xD

[paper rampart]

[mint spade]

The He Bo has been in place since the Han dynasty, and it has survived through the legendary Tang dynasty.

And as amazing the story of Tian Ying and Zhu Yu is... They are not even a fraction of the actual influence held by people like Wang Qing or... Even the weird guy who Big Zhao introduces to you as "the know it all"

But we are walking the Jianghu hearing tales of these individual heroics

When the world is shaped by much bigger players that at most pay respect for the personal achievements of exemplary individuals

At the end of the day, despite orchestrating one of the biggest infiltration jobs in recent history, Tian Ying is just a spy.

And Zhu Yu, as much as she is worshipped... Is just the leader of a local yellow river gang

[vague shoal]

Yeah but those people are way more interesting than the existing real life figures, can always read a history book to know about them and not play a game lol

[mint spade]

Not saying they're not interesting, just saying these people's achievements are not some kind of grand legendary feat most people present them as.

They all did their parts and made superhuman efforts to change the world, but they are still just a tiny player in the grand scheme of things

[vague shoal]

I know but the MC is a tiny player too, I'm enjoying the world through the eyes of the MC

[jolly lotus]

im still lowk confused of the ember of the east is yingying like the past ember or smth

[vague shoal]

Same person

[paper rampart]

Same position

[gritty sinew]

I just finished the "her legacy" quest and now I'm crying 😭😭😭 I miss ruby I will wear the bracelet forever

[paper rampart]

relax, ruby is not dead.

the reason why copium is the only way.

[jolly lotus]

you telling me after yingying broke out, she went back to the emperor in her full ember attire just to get imprisoned

for the 2nd time?

[wintry ether]

There's still no news on Ruby? I keep hoping for a pleasant surprise.

[jolly lotus]

i pray on the gods that she survived

[wintry ether]

I feel like the devs made a big effort to create the Ruby character and her charming personality in the beginning; it would be really odd if they just let her go so quickly.

[vague shoal]

She was never imprisoned, the yinging u saw tied at the tree was an illusion.

[mint spade]

The whole point of making her so charming is to let her go and stab you in the heart

The sixteen knives of yanyun need to find them embedded in your heart one by one after all

[paper rampart]

We got drugged all the time bro. We cant tell reality or illusion at this time any more

The only time reality was reality itself was when our jade pendant got stolen right after we put in our names.

[gritty imp]

ayoo does anyone know how to get the 7th bowl?

[paper rampart]

Kill any mobs in qinghe daily

Capped at 5 bowls per day I think

[paper rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1180056797906735164

[gritty imp]

thanks per day is crazy

[gritty imp]

alright

[full eagle]

i got a question.. if the dream puppet originate from || the poisonous worm from gleaming abyss ||
Then whats the Datura flower for? i always thought the flower were the reason people turn into puppet..?

[mint spade]

Learn how to elevator.

Build elevator, kill an enemy mob with assassination, jump up elevator, repeat

[bitter holly]

Maybe im not paying attention too much, but aren't we supposed to find the mastermind of the massacre of blissful retreat and get revenge? What are we doin helping ppl i ln kaifeng?

[wraith sigil]

Let's see... Last name Zhao.... kind of chubby reminds us of someone. Zhao Guangyin calls him Big Brother. Who was Zhao Guangyin's big brother again, ah it's Zhao Kuangyin, Emperor Song Taizu

[wraith sigil]

The mushroom one was pretty lit

[mint spade]

I think they meant does MC know Big Zhao's identity, which is... Nah, they don't

Still in the dark, else your Jianghu compendium would not list him as ???

[foggy tiger]

He should after furnace mission

Oh but yea it didn't show his full face there either.. So the player might not know. But mc should know

[wraith sigil]

Nah i don’t think so MC is dumber than a sack of rocks

MC has shown less intelligence than the standard Ruby falling for all those 9MR scams

[slender vector]

both winter gambit and chivalrous escort are so in-your-face even mc cant miss it

[warm plover]

One thing about Zhu Yu death, the man in black might be the aureate pavilion, they usually are in black

Just a theory

[wicked prawn]

We got a letter from aunt Han to meet her in Kaifeng. So we're looking for her. I think the letter mentions the ember of the east that's why MC was looking for her.

[grave sinew]

Masked guys (Aureate Pavillion) are after Aunt Han because she keeps a record of all the people who have changed faces. They want that record. Young master got a hold of a letter addressed to Aunt Han saying that the "deal" is on, provided that she attend the Heroes Assembly. This is why we ended up in Kaifeng, to look for Wuque who sent the letter.

Edit: sorry I forgot to mention, they want those records because it includes all the spies part of the resistance who willingly changed their faces for infiltration against the Khitans

[novel bough]

do the mc forget about the jade pendant or smth? because I don't remember he mention about it again afterwards

[timber nebula]

There's also the mushrooms

I think the datura flowers cause the senses to weaken iicr

[timber nebula]

The MC said he wants to find aunt Han

[timber nebula]

He probably did since he keeps getting into trouble like fixing kaifengs economic crisis

[mint spade]

Funny thing is after every adventure the guy just goes back home to chill until someone tells him "hey a new piece of the world opened up go explore it"

Like, it's not even a continuous story, guy goes back home to chill for a few months

[paper rampart]

How to enjoy the story of WWM from Qinghe and beyond:

1. Get carried.
2. Get scammed.
3. Get drugged.
4. Get drunk.
5. All of the above.
6. Repeat.

[mint spade]

Instructions unclear, getting ready to fight ghost master with lvl 41 gear with t1 mystic arts

Am I getting carried right?

[sturdy merlin]

who is the most mentally stable character in the story

[warm vortex]

Clip clop

[sturdy merlin]

who the heck is clip clop

ohhhh

[warm vortex]

He never seems bothered by any enemies, any scenery.

[paper rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1180056797906735164

[strange vault]

ANY? Builders/Construction players in Chat? I built a few Structures and need other peoples opinions. ANYONE interested? HMU. And I'll show you my Work. (In-game)
Built:
1x -17story HOTEL & 4story Night club

1x -2story Full Size House

[timber nebula]

That's the good part nothing feels like jianghuhu when you afk in qinghe

Over your destroyed village

[timber nebula]

Clip clop is best horse literally tried to save his former master 😭😭😭

He's also a jianghu wanderer

[paper rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1180042350190403646

[strange vault]

-Return to Sender-💥

[strange vault]

Lol I'm sorry. 😅

[finite pond]

Who's the guy sitting at the top of Buddha at gleaming abuss

Does joining midnight blades will unlock special interaction to him???

[paper rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1180056797906735164

[burnt flare]

why did we attack Tian Ying?

looks like a cool guy

same question for river master

[vague shoal]

Tian Ying attacked us to fake his death. And as for river master there's his bad relationship with the song government

[finite pond]

Tian ying attacked us and let him get "killed" because he wants a restart. Well technically he wants the name Tian ying to be known dead so he can infiltrate the Liao dynasty

[finite pond]

River master if you know his name was a fervent follower of chai rong

Iirc

[burnt flare]

does that explained anywhere in the game?

[finite pond]

Dark surge.

[burnt flare]

aahhh

thanks alot

[vague shoal]

Aureate Pavillion was looking for Tian Ying

[finite pond]

Dark surge and notes in compendium in qinghe

[paper rampart]

lore is back, chat.

[finite pond]

Aureate pavillion was like spy agency of tang dynasty

[burnt flare]

why is river master's bad relationship with the government leads him to attack us tho?

[paper rampart]

his wife is dead

[burnt flare]

annd?

[vague shoal]

He blames the goverment for her death

[paper rampart]

his 2 fishes gonna die soon. 15 years passed.

[burnt flare]

are we associated with the goverment ?

[finite pond]

Chai rong was the emperor of Zhou dynasty right?

[paper rampart]

we are more to the khitan than to song

[vague shoal]

Not officially, but everything we've done have been pro song

[finite pond]

Young master was born during the founding of song dynasty. Big Zhao becoming emperor does not made those who are loyal to the former dynasty happy

[paper rampart]

Zhao*

[finite pond]

Considering the length of time between Zhou and song dynasty

Some of the soldiers, especially in Qinghe did not like Song dynasty

[paper rampart]

We enjoy being ourselves since the treaty between song and khitan (Chanyuan Treaty) will happen in 1005.

[finite pond]

And considering the three generals and murong yuan overall story. So yeah

[finite pond]

Do take note that tian ying, chu, lucky 17 and emperor chai rong was the founder and member of the hanging blades and created palace of annals

[vague shoal]

It's not that bad, big Zhao had a alot of support to become emperor so Song interal affairs was quite stable

[finite pond]

A silver needle sect, a chef in encounter too

[finite pond]

Yeah, but it was quite grim how he became emperor.

Correct me if I'm wrong:
He was cornered by the generals and high ranking officials and threatened him to become emperor

[finite pond]

It's an overall complex situation yeah

[vague shoal]

Im not sure if threatening to become an emperor makes sense lol but they really wanted him to take the mantle

[finite pond]

Still I'm curious on the night asura at the top of gleaming abyss if he'll have an lore relevance at the future

[finite pond]

Yeah because the worse case is the younger son of emperor of Zhou iirc

[foggy tiger]

Threatening isn't it

More like "take the throne we support u"

[finite pond]

Iirc, in the written text of history, they cornered him with sword in their hands and begged him to become the emperor

So he made and the officials made a coup

[foggy tiger]

How is begging threaten

It's not coercion. It's more like peer pressure

The tone needs to be correct

Threaten is like "become emperor or we'll kill u"

[finite pond]

I dunno the specific word. But yeah, it's a mix of it probably. Zhao was a soldier so he was prolly respected. Then again, it's a complicated situation all around because of chai rong suddenly dying of illness

[vague shoal]

It's not complicated, a kid on the throne, another guy who's a respected general with troops in times of warfare

Generals taking the throne is a classic

[finite pond]

But we don't know if Zhao wants to become an emperor, he was suddenly cornered, peer pressured by the officials. Heck, he didn't command nor requested to kill the kid off

[paper rampart]

Yapping about history, I see.

[finite pond]

Well, game is based in real life events barring the wuxia and some Chinese mythological aspects in the game

[nova bluff]

no no that didnt happen, go open your history book again and checkl

if you know the brothers you know they love making stuff up to make themselves look better after taking power

even their mother knows whats up

lol

[finite pond]

🤔

[foggy tiger]

Lol

Yea u can't be believing he was coerced into becoming emperor

[unborn wing]

wow

that's really interesting

[timber nebula]

he kinda needs us to attack him

mutual aura farming one could say

[timber nebula]

they asked them politely promising youtube ad revenue

[nova bluff]

fr fr fr

[timber nebula]

bro where you been

[timber nebula]

the fact the big zhao persona likes to talk big as a merchant it's like

he's a good dude but flawed

like mister beast 💀

[nova bluff]

busy grinding lv100 gears

[timber nebula]

dual server players be like

[mental ermine]

That might have happened if he said no honestly

Times were wild in the era of the jiedushi

I dont think we will ever know exactly what transpired, big zhao could have been leading the planning of it for all we know, even if it was later recorded otherwise

[lyric plaza]

guys when we can met Li zuo? does he on our Quest? if yes what quest?

[paper rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1180056797906735164

[covert crypt]

[true mesa]

As I understand:
Mercyheart Town became a testing ground for the Aureate Pavilion. They grew datura, calling them Buddha flowers, whose scent was addictive.
Aureate Pavilion claimed they were spiritual medicines that boosted energy and removed the need for sleep, but in reality they were used to addict and control the townsfolk. Mercyheart Monastery was used to spread the flowers and also served as a testing site for the dream puppet.

[paper rampart]

[low sonnet]

Is there any in-game explanation for the final phase form of the God of Avarice? or are these just Wuxia things that can happen?

[paper rampart]

https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtB9_iwl4eo

[final fossil]

Confused about the man in the well quest. Did he want to steal our identity or was he really just a pathetic guy?

[paper rampart]

introvert before it was invented.

[cosmic kindle]

i need level 2, hi lore chat

[vague shoal]

Yeah he wanted to yoink us

[final fossil]

And here i felt bad for him

[merry narwhal]

The cosplayer from cp32 caught my eyes and the character he played seems to be pretty important in the story. I thought we haven't met him yet this early in the global. But I believe this is the guy. Apparently this is our second time meeting him, based on the interaction. Can anyone remind me where and how our first interaction goes?

Or maybe I'm wrong? I forgot the cosplayer name but everyone called him Feng dage. And he looks like a Mohist Hill disciple which really fit this guy description 🥹

[little moat]

If I remember right, Feng Jisheng was testing his archery and nearly hit Ruby and MC, as an apology he handed MC a archery manual

[little moat]

Could you send an image of the cosplayer?

[merry narwhal]

Is it okay to send here?

[little moat]

I’m not sure but you can dm me it, I’m just curious what the cosplayer looked like

[merry narwhal]

Update:
I was right! He is the guy. 冯继升 Feng Jisheng

[paper rampart]

he will be our future sect leader

[merry narwhal]

Fr? How did it turn out like that? I thought he just converted

[paper rampart]

he was a real person in history

wait for missing mountain content to know more about him

[nova bluff]

he is important, he will reappear later on for Bujianshan

[cold pendant]

Omg hi chongus
Wait I just realized I changed my pfp 😔 my previous pic was Yu

[nova bluff]

its 不见山, its not Missing its Unseen

[merry narwhal]

Beans enthusiast 🤝

[nova bluff]

Brother Feng will ||play a part in Ch4's Main Story, this time as a Moshan Dao thats why cosplays of him are dressed like them.|| Looking at cosplays accidentally spoiled you

[merry narwhal]

I really don't mind about the accidental spoiler. I saw the cp31 cosplayers and didn't know anything about ember east and yingying until i played the game 😂

[foggy tiger]

That's serious how did a mountain get misplaced

[merry narwhal]

Is that title for sect elder?

[nova bluff]

no thats what the Mohist Hill Sect is called in CN

[merry narwhal]

Ahh i see

The wandering tale from my screenshot, Feng did said he already converted to Mohist Hill. So it's just a change of costume

[old coral]

Wait I did that encounter a lil while ago, dude was gonna kill us? How did people know? I know he was there during an event with the khitan, but then who was that "street urchin" guy who was eavesdropping?

[foggy tiger]

Dao directly translates to path. So u can use that as some context

[nova bluff]

because when the fog hits you cant see anything mountains goes "peace"

[old coral]

Like I definitely am clueless that he wanted to steal our identity, although in that case, was the assassin that ganked him actually aiming for us but didn't know we're his target?

[old coral]

Ngl Im keeping most judgement on his progress in main story to my chest for now cuz we're basically a fledgling jianghu wanderer, even if some convo imply we became a prodigy and skill theft with the bear for tai chi was mentioned

Like he's 16 and is implied to be pretty pampered until recently - people called him young master and fawn over him and stuff. Dude is probably canonically clueless so us players learn the world with him

(Reminds me of how we can have him eat shrooms and go through a hallucination sequence)

or when he carelessly touched the spore contaminated tablet in one of the encounters in Kaifeng with his bare hand
Dude keeps getting himself unconscious so often to me lmao

[vague shoal]

He thought the guy in the welll had a treasure so the little kid distracted us while he ran off to the well, then got killed instead

There were wet footprints walking away from the well, so we know he was the one who killed the guy

Head chopped off so no one knows who the body belongs to

[old coral]

Ok so we're talking about the guy in the well right? I thought that's the guy being referred here since the other user mentioned sth about "being a pathetic guy" And the assassin definitely isn't pathetic

[vague shoal]

he isnt an assasin

Just a lunatic who was afraid he'd be silenced cause he was a witness at the breeze post

Hence he wanted a new identity to escape

[old coral]

Dámm that's wild

[vague shoal]

Breeze post is where tian ying killed the khitan envoy, he was there and got ptsd from it, and hid in the well ever since

[old coral]

So guy in the well was gonna kill us for real and street urchin guy eavesdropping on us, thought a treasure was about to be exchanged between us and well guy, so he got us occupied and then presumably interrogated and killed guy in the well, right?

[vague shoal]

Yeah you summed it up perfectly

Ah no

The street urchin was the one who was killed

By the guy in the well

[old coral]

What?????
Oh wait, you said the body was beheaded so there was no way to determine who it really belonged to

Dámm this encounter's a lil more elusive than I thought

[vague shoal]

Yes well guy wanted a new identity so he beheaded the body

Take the guy' sclothes and switched it with the red robe we gave him

Cause he knew that guy wasnt us so he didnt need the red robe anymore

[old coral]

Ah I guess since street urchin came in, he knew his opsec got busted but also realized killing him there and then is a surefire way for a new ID

[vague shoal]

Yeah worked out for the lunatic either way

[old coral]

Bruh....

Wild how our lack of attention to surrounding low key saved us

😂

[vague shoal]

He wouldnt be able to kill us

MC knows martial art, and he isnt gonna get drunk that easily

[old coral]

Fair, but like, it's darkly funny that us being so conspicuous saved us from having a fight in the end lol

Less trouble that way

:3

So yeah I finally understand what happened in that encounter, thank you for explaining it to me, it was kind of confusing when I first did it

[vague shoal]

It's easy to miss, I didnt know he wanted to steal our identity till later

Only knew he was the murderer since game said there was wet footprints walking away

[old coral]

Also, I must admit, I had the wrong impression of street urchin because his gameplay combat prowess felt like he's probably someone more than his title lets us

: P then again, practically all the NPCs when they go hostile can put up a fight, kind of

[old coral]

Oh snap wet footprints

[vague shoal]

Hostile civillian npcs only throw punches

[old coral]

Damm that's good observation, street urchin wouldn't have wet footprints since he's on land

the lore eludes me

[old coral]

I don't stick around to fight npcs for long lol, I tend to just teleport to have the aggro stop

[vague shoal]

Lore in this game goes deep

[old coral]

So yeah, wow, crazy how subtle the lore in that encounter was, genuinely the kind you need to parse all the text inside to grasp

🙏 gtg now but I am grateful for your explanation

[frigid maple]

In global we currently have 2 chapter right?

• qinghe
• kaifeng

How many does CN have?

[nova bluff]

Hexi and Bujianshan

4 in total

[nova bluff]

mind that Hexi is a filler arc, "main" story really continues with Bujianshan. We go back to Kaifeng to meet someone which will lead us going to Ch4

(we go back to Qinghe for Ch3)

Global is getting Hexi next

[crimson cave]

Is hutuo part of bujianshan? Or new map

[quasi lily]

Anyone know the lore behind lady ugly?

[vague shoal]

Wasnt it explained in the quest

[bitter holly]

So aunt han caused the demise of blissful retreat?

[paper rampart]

孩子不见了！！！

Maybe it will be written as Mount BuJian

[finite pond]

bro got tortured and traumatized

he became scapegoat when tian ying assassinated the khitan envoy

he went insane

[meager lion]

hey we trying to make a community need someone to help other players for build and stuff lmk if u wanna join the community anyone is welcome shoot me a dm for discord inv 😄

[pale knot]

the game is suposed to have 20 chapters (or something like that). we are in chapter 2. let the devs cook

[hot pike]

I thought we were looking for aunt han and she’s in Kaifeng

[pastel thorn]

yeah and i mean our current path seems to be a lot more fun and interesting than a classic revenge story

[dull knoll]

6

[neat storm]

We're looking for Aunt Han, since she was missing during/after the events at Blissful Retreat,
We heard that we might be able to get help from someone by the name of 'Wuque', in Kaifeng

When investigating Aunt Han's belongings, we found a letter addressed to her/||The Water Lady|| inviting her to Kaifeng, written by Wen Wuque - so we go to Kaifeng, either to look for her, or to find Wen Wuque and get their help finding her

[frigid maple]

got it thank uu appreciarte it!!

[paper rampart]

We mc are merely audience to every thing happening around us

[grave sinew]

Not necessarily, Aunt Han was already preparing to move away from Blissful Retreat for months before the plot happened. This was the reason why Aunt Han was asking help from Wuque on where to move safely. Blissful retreat was attacked because its full of people from the resistance.

[neat storm]

Blissful Retreat was attacked because ||in the past, Aunt Han/The Water Lady was involved in 'face changing' procedures, as discovered beneath the clinic. This ability was used by the Northern Vow to disguise infiltrators, who were smuggled into Yanyun*.||
||Currently, records are kept as to who had their faces changed, their families, etc. - Aureate Pavilion wanted this information, in order to find and eliminate those infiltrators, hence the attack on Blissful Retreat.||

*Yanyun (or, The Sixteen Preferectures of Yan and Yun) in turn is part of a bigger plot, in which northern lands including Yanyun itself were invaded and seized by the Khitan, who still control it currently. This area has a lot of strategic significance, including being a strong northern fortress/barrier against the northern steppes, due to the surrounding mountains and landscape.

And a bit of info about Aureate Pavilion's involvement is -

||Aureate Pavilion works under the Jiangnan - itself associated with the Southern Tang dynasty - to the south, and sought to ally themselves with the Khitan in the north, in order to pincer the Song, the current dynasty (i.e. Kaifeng). This is likely related to Southern Tang historically having been replaced by the current Song.||
||You can learn a bit more about some of the background of these relationships, in Qinghe's Dark Surge storyline 😊 ||

[clever folio]

Blissful Retreat was attacked because we need to make a game to play

[paper rampart]

No. Blissful Retreat was attacked because they already animated a good movie for us to watch including watching yidao and ruby ||dies||.

[frail grove]

Blissful Retreat was attacked because Heaven Has No Pier

[nova bluff]

Yes and No. You will access it via Bujianshan, but it's not exactly part of it. Because Hutuo takes place in ||a different time period||

[low sonnet]

are we getting a new chapter or a new campaign this week?

[nova bluff]

no

[frigid maple]

did we met this chu qingquan?? i tried to pay attention to the story but missed his name

[nova bluff]

no

[grave sinew]

That's Auntie Han's dead lover

[frigid maple]

yepp i just found out he is dead and im confused i thought uncle jiang was dead 🤣 turns out it was someone else

[foggy tiger]

Yidao came looking for Han at behest of Chu qing quan

Yidao has probably never met uncle Jiang

[neat storm]

Aunt Han's dead lover + also old friend of Yi Dao
||and someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it's implied that chu qingquan sacrificed himself for Yi Dao, hence why Yi Dao came to tell Aunt Han about him passing away.||
||but also he fell into a river or something, and the body wasn't confirmed, so - who knows for sure? xD||

[grave sinew]

Kat I read that as Yi dao's dead lover 😭

[foggy tiger]

Idk if chu sacrificed himself for yidao. I don't remember that being said. But they were both running from a common enemy together, and chu died on yidao's back and slipped into a river during a crossing

[neat storm]

edited for clarity 😂

[neat storm]

i thought it was implied that it was so yi dao could get away or something, and that chu may have been wounded/injured already?
but i also don't remember clearly / struggling to find a source 😅

since yidao saved him originally and chu wanted to pay him back, or something like that 🤔

[grave sinew]

Yup yup Yi Dao only found out he was dead after stopping. And left the body as it was too heavy

[foggy tiger]

Haha I don't think is the weight

Chu's body fell into river. The reason why yidao didn't fish him out was because he felt Chu's body wanted to let go and fall in then. Not because it was heavy

If he was heavy yidao would probably have already let him go when he realised he died and not attempted to cross river with him on his back

[paper rampart]

Doesn’t matter. Yidao died anyways

We are the faults

[grave sinew]

Ooh right he fell in the river 😭

I mean can you really blame young wanderer? Kid was only 16 and Yi Dao could have left

[neat storm]

You: Do you know... where he's buried?
Yi Dao: Don't know. Maybe in the sea, maybe back at Well of Heaven. Could be anywhere.
You: Ah, you mean... you guys were in great danger then, weren't you?
Yi Dao: ...
Yi Dao: I went after getting his message. Weren't many people left in the city. He could barely speak. Just told me to find Han Xiangxun and ask for the secret.
Yi Dao: So damn many after us. I carried him, killing and running - running under the sun, under the moon, in the rain, and without sleep.
YD: Where was I running when he died? ... I forget. He just died on my back without a word.
YD: There was plenty of moonlight when I found out. I saw his face clearly. I don't know if he said anything else. I just kept doing what he told me before. Kept running.
YD: Later, crossing the Yellow River, the straps holding him broke. He fell in. Into the river.
YD: I didn't fish him out. Felt like he wanted to go in. He was the kind of person who'd do that...
YD: Ha! Always making things difficult for me!

yt // watch?v=DcDo3gD1CtI (For Whom Does He Return)

[neat storm]

It's the Jianghu way - to stand up for what's right, and for your code of honour, above all 💪 saved a lot of Blissful Retreat residents :) even if it cost us some terrible sacrifices 🙏

[grand plover]

hi does anyone know what faction the dragon crest tokens are for lore wise? they are involved in 2 wandering tales in qinghe

[royal plover]

Can anyone explain to me why qianye wearing aunt han outfit?

And if qianye always after han for very beginning why she didnt capture/kill her when they first meet at retreat, and they look like cool along drinking tea side by side

[paper rampart]

Mohist hills

[paper rampart]

Plot no jutsu

[grand plover]

||i think theres a theory that qianye is either a twin or her brother somehow idk where i read that though||

[lavish mortar]

||Aunt han’s brother’s body parts/ organs were replaced with Qianye’s body parts. That’s why when phase 2 starts you see two people. The white and manlier version of Qianye is Aunt Han’s brother||

[paper rampart]

Si

[twilit pawn]

2 questions:

• ||Why did the witch attack Blissful Retreat?||

• Also whats Murong Yuan's Backstory?

[twilit pawn]

Pls help

[paper rampart]

1. to get the files of the jianghu wanderer who changed face and become spies that entered khitan territory already. She wants to kill the spies.

2. kill song and avenge her real father. But she found out her real father was the traitor.

[twilit pawn]

Tysm, they did mention a list of wanderers in the story.

Hold on, whats the khitan territory?

Sorry, my brain just been fried from slogging thru the kaifeng chapter

[mental ermine]

North/east china and mongolia you can google khitan/liao for more details

They are the invaders that were gifted the yanyun (northern area, current day beijing etc) regions by the later jin dynasty bout 20 years ago

Well almost 30 years ago

[paper rampart]

Doesn’t matter because khitan finally won

[mental ermine]

Proof

[vague shoal]

Idk chinese characters but is that Long live great liao lol

[royal plover]

But why she wearing han outfit

[royal plover]

Are uncle jiang part of khitan or part with kingdom who against khitan.

There 5 dynasty and 10 kingdom, are jiang with them before he flee?

[mental ermine]

At the beginning sequence the timeline is two dynasties before current, uncle jiang was fighting against the khitans with general wang qing (later jin)

Since then the Later Jin fell, Later Zhou rose and fell, and we are now in the Song dynasty

The liao (khitans) aren't considered part of the 5 dynasties and 10 kingdoms but they will continue to coexist with the Song

[mental ermine]

Yes

[paper rampart]

Well khitan won so.

Long live indeed

大辽万岁万岁万万岁

辽朝万岁万岁万万岁

契丹万岁万岁万万岁

[iron canyon]

I might be wrong but the story flow is
||Aunt han refused to help chu change his face before the war (because changing face means loosing his identity) but chu was determined and went. Yi Dao heard the news and went over only to see Chu on the verge of dying, so YiDao carried him all the way, but Chu dropped in the water.||

[foggy tiger]

wasnt cuz losing identity. han was against it cuz the mission or the face change put chu in danger

she refused to help cuz he was going to risk his life

really unwise to say out loud especially if u have wife lol

[paper rampart]

Thats why i slept outside every night

[iron canyon]

yep you're right, she cared for him but chu was determined

[foggy tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-charlie-chaplin-dog-sleep-gif-7821645

[paper rampart]

Night when i get to sleep in. We get an extra family member 10months later.

[fossil ridge]

||DUDE WHO DID THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN UNBOUND CAVERN||

[paper rampart]

Your fellow blissful retreat buddies who drink wine with you

[vital kraken]

So I saw on YT that during the Gold making vessel. Murong, Dao lord and Zheng(?) were apparently in cahoots with Ember East. I know you battle those 3, how many of them canonically dies from the fight

[paper rampart]

The gay couples

[low sonnet]

he means the Joyous Couple. the randos who die to introduce Ember at the heroes assembly

[paper rampart]

Why am I tagged

[gritty sinew]

Guys is Uncle jiangs friend at the first cut scene died? I mean he shield himself from void king attack

[paper rampart]

Yes died

[gritty sinew]

Dang

[paper rampart]

chen Cixi something

[timber nebula]

yi dao is too good for us :(

[mental ermine]

none

[vital kraken]

So the vids I’ve seen lamenting what we had to do to Murong was just, nothing really?

[mental ermine]

there's a follow up quest for murong yuan

[vital kraken]

Pls spoil me, haven’t gotten to doing the quest yet

[torpid ginkgo]

Can somebody explain the lore of one leaf one life?

[blissful stirrup]

Anyone who knows Chinese history who can say if there's any cultural significance to the Wayfarer's Veil?

[alpine path]

No, Chen Zixi survived, ||he is also present in mc childhood, which is available in cn version||
He also was not just shielding, he actually defeated Void King using his friend’s sword while he was in that dream state, but got stubbed at the same time (probably due to not very used to melee combat, he is a healer after all). You can notice it if you compare what the state was before the vision and after.

[humble wolf]

im almost at the end of a’yu’s quest. dude. this is too cruel. i actually teared up while doing it. wtf. why do i have to give her ||a lie by wearing that mask.|| this is too much for my heart i cant do this 😞 why do i have to ||be the one killing her!!!!||

[vague shoal]

Ur putting her out of her misery, the fish will lose its mind as time goes on and it’s a fate worse than death

[wide trellis]

In chapter 1, which (main story or campaign) boss canonically actually die?

[frigid maple]

who is unfated tian and what is his relation with dou dou

[royal plover]

he doctor on clinic, who do face changing surgery to ppl, dodo include

[royal plover]

I dont think qianye die just by explosion

[frigid maple]

ah got itt

[wide trellis]

Aunt Han's story hasn't concluded in CN, has it, I hope Qy makes a return.

[royal plover]

let we chop her head by our mc

[wide trellis]

With Yi Dao's saber

[alpine path]

Ehm… the horse?

[frigid maple]

im confused is this our house or what??!

im at this part of the story is this our actual home?

[warm plover]

Why we fight Feng Yi?

[wild knot]

Idk tbh

[torpid ginkgo]

Does anybody know who gongzi is

[wild knot]

Idk

[foggy tiger]

How about squeezing it off with Ruby's bracelet

[fervent zealot]

do we know where the well of heaven hq is at?

smth like the velvet shades or the upcoming 9mw

[frozen oriole]

What is the wolf maiden arena look alike near buddha fort is it for her quest or just for lore?

[amber oar]

so yingying and ember of east (at the hero gather and near the ending) are the same person then?

not like some body double

[paper rampart]

one and only.

[timber nebula]

The cruel fate of the river masters

[lethal swan]

هل في عرب هنا

[mild flame]

hi lore fans

is the little girl dead that's all i want to know

[paper rampart]

Alive and well

[mild flame]

yeeeeeeey

[mint spade]

Well of Heaven HQ is located slightly north, far to the east.

But there is a main Well of Heaven camp in southern edge of Kaifeng where they're training and gathered in the local area.

Also they gather a lot in the Kaifeng hot spring house.

[proper orbit]

This should probably go into the #1425508678219468811 channel .

[visual trench]

Mb

[dull knoll]

[proper orbit]

[north yacht]

[north yacht]

I can't wait for the next main chapter

[proper orbit]

Me too

[soft axle]

I think Meow Meow will be the final boss

[proper orbit]

Of course

[soft axle]

Im serious it's gonna happen sooner or later

Maybe not this season

Maybe not the next one

[spice bolt]

does anyone know when were getting more story quests 😭

[soft axle]

January 8th

[spice bolt]

ooooooo

[soft axle]

and January 25th

#content-roadmap

[west nest]

i wish they add smth related to rubys ghost..

like being able to interact w her in heavens dream and like buy her pine nut candy or smth lol

[tropic kernel]

there is, it's in flower expanse

[main karma]

o, never found it i guess. i found yi dao's but assumed she didnt have one

[bitter holly]

i wish there was an option in dialogues/story where we can be a little bit of bad player, like pure of hatred bc of what happened to us lol

[meager lion]

hey we trying to make a community need someone to help other players for build and stuff lmk if u wanna join the community anyone is welcome shoot me a dm for discord inv 😄

[rigid grove]

[blissful stirrup]

Anyone who knows Chinese history who can say if there's any cultural significance to the Wayfarer's Veil? Is there a meaning behind those talismans hanging off of it?

[rigid grove]

Dayum

[proper orbit]

I'm not sure if there are actual Wayfarers in that period in Chinese history..

[royal plover]

What is blade hanging, are they same with aurete group?

[pale knot]

hanging blade is a group created by emperor chai rong to to help defend what's left of the empire

[proper orbit]

I like how the devs chose one of the most turbulent times in Chinese history as a setting

[wide trellis]

Which dynasty is that?

[proper orbit]

Later Zhou

It is during the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period

[wide trellis]

I wish there is an in-game political map. Like saying where is wayang, and other places the game mentioned

All I know song is sandwiched between kittan and tang

[proper orbit]

yea that would be nice.. but i think they probably made liberal modifications to the chain of historical events

[rigid lantern]

Tang is not shown up in the map yet though

[proper orbit]

The game world has so much room to grow. Right now much of the gameplay is centred around Kaifeng, which is only a city in the vast Song Empire.

The devs have placed us right in the heart of China during the Ten Kingdoms period.

[royal plover]

So its in bad side or good side?

[paper rampart]

The Khitan won so it doesn't matter.

[royal plover]

So what period are our play as mc?

[royal plover]

Khitan is mongol get brought to the battle by jin right?

Between this game period and kingdom anime, which period come first?

[proper orbit]

From a Later Zhou, Song, or ethnic Han perspective, or maybe even from the perspective of the mc, you could see it as the good side.. I guess

[proper orbit]

I have a feeling we are in the Ten Kingdoms period where Song hasn't fully conquered the southern part of China yet. so maybe in the 960s?

I could be wrong though

[proper orbit]

No Mongols are another faction further north.. they would eventually defeat everyone else.

[proper orbit]

"Kingdom" is set in the Warring States period of China.. so that would be around 475 to 221 BC... which is a long long time before WWM's setting.

[royal plover]

Damn china already war before europe is a thing

That even before Jesus is a thing

[paper rampart]

Not really. Just that they realised they can leave their legacy and history behind if they start to record.

[royal plover]

Are lucky seventeen had connection to blade hanging?

And whos castle that annal palace the plsce we fight him?

And why aurete group attack the castle and burn it?

[cedar umbra]

kind of sad that your character is forgotten by everyone in the village

[uneven stump]

want free spoilers? :))))

[echo remnant]

The person the void king serves, emperor Ai, is he the emperor of the song dynasty or a previous one

[little moat]

He’s the last tang dynasty emperor

[echo remnant]

Is he still around

Ah it’s coming back to me now

The rise of the song dynasty is why he was confined to that immortal cave

[vague shoal]

fHe's the white haired guy with the bugs you see in the first cut scenes

[echo remnant]

Huh

[mystic idol]

currently I think people placed the year at 963

based on timeline indications in the game and their occurrence dates in actual history

[alpine path]

It is 962

[mystic idol]

oops, lol i remembered wrong, one year off

[royal plover]

Im sorry which faction the bad guy and which the good guys here?

[proper orbit]

Yea it would have to be in that decade. I didn't guess the exact year because my guess is only based on what I observed in the game thus far.

[royal plover]

I just only know jin and khitan start the war,

Like whos the greater force in mc current timeline know?

[proper orbit]

I don't think we know the full background of the mc yet, but if I were to guess, we are probably a Song citizen.. and so Khitans are definitely not the good guys from the perspective of the mc

And you can see clearly how the Khitans were hated by the common folk in the game

Most of the factions in the Jianghu (the underworld and the martial world) in the Song would morally be aligned with the Song and view Khitans as an existential threat

[royal plover]

As i understand khitan and jin already conquered north, but song dynasty still exist in south?

[vague shoal]

Look at it from the point of view as a chinese back then

Game is set in the 10 kingdoms and 5 dynasties period

[mystic idol]

I don’t think Jin was around this time was it? Or not a major force

[vague shoal]

Real period in history so you can learn more about the context of the game if you wanna

[mystic idol]

until 1100s

[proper orbit]

Jin wasn't a major faction at this time. It was the Liao (Khitans) that were a major force in the far north and north-east.

[royal plover]

Didnt jin and khitan join force?

[proper orbit]

Also, the Song wasn't actually in the south. The concept of north or south in China is debatable. Many today consider the area north of the Huai river to be northern China while some use the Yangtze as a dividing line

Song was mostly in the Central region and maybe part of the North during the Ten Kingdoms period.

[mystic idol]

Khitan (Liao) has much of the north, Song has just risen from the fall of Tang dynasty with its first emperor, and Jiangnan is to the south of Song.

[proper orbit]

It was only during the later part of the Ten Kingdoms period that Song would conquer the southern factions

[proper orbit]

No.

Jin and Khitans aren't exactly friends btw

[north yacht]

YES DUH

[royal plover]

And where i put zhou and tang here? @proper orbit

[proper orbit]

The Jin were Jurchens while the Liao were Khitans.. different ethnicity and culture

[vague shoal]

There was a han chinese Jin during the period too lol, folks back then need to come up with more dynasty names

[proper orbit]

Depends on what Tang you are talking about. In the game, Tang was referenced several times and the older Tang is probably the great Tang dynasty that came after Sui. The other Tang is probably the Southern Tang that ruled the southern part of China while the Song was in the Central.

When you say Zhou, you're probably referring to the Later Zhou

That was the dynasty that immediately preceded the Song

[proper orbit]

and it didn't help that when we translate them into English, the differences in Chinese characters are lost.

Like a Jin dynasty (the one that comes after Han) is written differently from the Jin dynasty that came after Liao

[vague shoal]

You're right, the chinese names could be different even tho they are Jins

[proper orbit]

And Han dynasty (the one that Liu Bang founded) is written differently from Han Kingdom

I love that the devs set the game in this period. Not many games feature this period in china's history. Amazing.

[vague shoal]

Yeah most chinese games are all 3 kingdoms

[mystic idol]

wait which one’s the first Jin?

oh never mind 晋, found it

[proper orbit]

Yea, thanks to Luo Guanzhong, the author of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms

His works popularize this tiny slice of chinese history so much

And because of how accessible the novels are to many in the world, most people's focus would be on this part of chinese history...

China's ancient history is way more interesting and rich than the tiny slice of history that is the three Kingdoms period

[proper orbit]

yea. the one that comes after Han (汉) is Jin (晋）while the Jin that comes after Liao is written as 金

[vague shoal]

Tbf it's easy to make a good game using the 3 kingdoms period, and the reason WWM is great isnt because the 5 dynasties perioid is interesting

But the little lore the writers cook up with

[proper orbit]

Absolutely. Like good wuxia storytellers, they used this period as a canvas over which they painted a most beautiful series of stories.

[vague shoal]

So it's takes more writing and effort to make interesting games in other periods hence people just go with 3 kingdoms when they make games

[proper orbit]

Yea, 3 Kingdoms is easier because the story's pretty much done... ready to go.

[vague shoal]

Not to mention it's the only period the west is familiar with lol

[proper orbit]

Yea.

Unfortunately, many of them are familiar with the more fantasy-like elements... from games like Dynasty Warriors...

[vague shoal]

This game just assume people know chinese history in the 900s so lot of people dont understand what's happening

[proper orbit]

I find this to be a good thing. It makes the setting way more mysterious

I think it is both familiar and mysterious..

familiar because I have read some of Jinyong's novels

[vague shoal]

Yeah but adding that they go with dark souls story telling makes its it too hard for a normal person to follow the story unless they do research or ask around

[mystic idol]

I like this because it makes people who are interested look into it and do their research, thus encouraging/spreading awareness about an actual era instead of just learning from only a game

[proper orbit]

Jinyong was like the father of modern wuxia novels

and he set some of his most famous works, like the legend of the condor heroes, in the Song dynasty

[north yacht]

whats this game about

[vague shoal]

Yeah story is only good to people who care and try to know more about the game lore

[uneven stump]

arent we in early Song Dynasty in this game?

[proper orbit]

true

[proper orbit]

haha yea. that's actually how I got interested in history... because I played games set in certain time periods.

[vague shoal]

16 year old MC starting his adventures in the jianghu

[proper orbit]

yea

[north yacht]

[mystic idol]

6/10 game about a humble 16 year old working class who finds his way in jianghu and fights against the evil big bad /s

[north yacht]

tell him to stay home

[proper orbit]

that's what his aunt tried to tell him to do lol

but he had other plans apparently

[north yacht]

bruh

[cursive garnet]

i just need to let some bs out my mouth so i can level up for LFG channel please ignore me thank you

[proper orbit]

half the people in the server are probably doing that so np lmao

when I first saw the game content, I kept thinking we were in Tang Dynasty...

[uneven stump]

my thoughts on this ||: rumors said that he manage live up to age 34 and all of these adventure are just his flashbacks before he dies from saving a friend. Thats why we can see the ghosts during some quests||

[proper orbit]

because of the fashion... lol

[north yacht]

hmmm

[proper orbit]

haha maybe

[mystic idol]

thats wild. Would be some super leak if true

[royal plover]

What the greater kingdom, before khitan invade and it split into 10 kingdom?

[vague shoal]

Ghosts exist in the setting so it's not just the MC

[mystic idol]

CN isnt even nearly that far

[proper orbit]

I heard some rumours that we weren't actually the main character in the story...

[uneven stump]

i think the china verison is already completed with the storyline

or still adding more

[vague shoal]

Look up how the tang dynasty fell

[uneven stump]

idrc i cant wait to see yingying

[mystic idol]

It’s not finished yet, 不见山 (unseen mountain? Not sure whats the english translation) just came out

the region after Hexi

[proper orbit]

before all that was the Tang Dynasty

[uneven stump]

i hope theyre adding more, im doing chapter 3 before 2 rn

[proper orbit]

I didn't expect Yingying to be that person lmao

[mystic idol]

chapter 3 is hexi?

[vague shoal]

Cant wait to see our sugar mommy again

[uneven stump]

once ur close to finish chapter 2, yah

[mystic idol]

beautiful storyline 😭 my favourite so far

[proper orbit]

free game btw

insane

[royal plover]

Its good btw, bc im hope we are not the chosen one, just a random baby jiang save

[uneven stump]

i might be skipping thru some words but im pretty sure 不见山 apparently is the 3rd quest. heXi is the last quest (for now) that has some plot for Chang'An which is where the emperor lives

[royal plover]

Im hope we are not baby from previous great figure

[vague shoal]

The only main character thing we've done is killing a corrupt official, but even then it isnt much lol

[uneven stump]

i have to buy the white horse and the running legs

[proper orbit]

why Hexi?

[uneven stump]

i think thats the 4th

[mystic idol]

Ahh I don’t play the CN version, just watched a lot of story playthroughs

[vague shoal]

No chapter 3 after kaifeng is confirmed to be Hexi

[royal plover]

How bout zhou?

[mystic idol]

I thought Hexi was 3rd chapter because it came out before 不见山

[uneven stump]

wadafreak am i doing rn? istg it said 不见山 is right after the 2nd chapter

cuz on the map, hexi is mad far from the original map

[proper orbit]

Hexi is pretty far from where we are lmao

[vague shoal]

Well the reason for hexi is...

[proper orbit]

which Zhou? too many Zhou in Chinese history. Do you mean the Later Zhou? the one preceding Song?

[vague shoal]

||apparently the MC somehow travels back in time when the an lushan rebeliion was happenin, chapter 3 is a filler arc||

[uneven stump]

yah, i had a hard time going to 不见山 from Qinghe

[mystic idol]

|| seemingly unrelated stories that weave together to create a beautiful story with a really good theme, and ultimately rounds back to the era we currently are in ||

[royal plover]

Read somewhere that tian ying is main char in hidden plot

[proper orbit]

oh boy... flashback arc

[mystic idol]

Chronologically by order of release, it’s Qinghe -> Kaifeng -> Hexi -> BujuanShan

[proper orbit]

no wonder i keep hearing rumour that we aren't even the mc

[uneven stump]

nvm chat, i skipped hexi chapter 💀

[vague shoal]

||chapter 3 is very historical heavy so you will probably enjoy it lol||

[mystic idol]

not necessarily as each era’s dark surge seem to revolve around a different “key” person which influenced a lot of the setting that we explore

[uneven stump]

不见山 is the 4th one that unlocks a hidden clan

[proper orbit]

I can really see how much the devs love the Tang-era content...

the costumes and all that... all heavily influenced by Tang

[uneven stump]

Ming Dynasty solos

[proper orbit]

going back to Chang'an would be a dream for them

[mystic idol]

Qinghe dark surge = learning about Tian Ying
Kaifeng dark surge = learning about Zhu Yu

[proper orbit]

I'm sure I will !

[royal plover]

Hope we are not baby from previous great figure or chosen one, just random baby jiang save when he flee. But how about mc pendant get stolen from the start of the game it look important?

[proper orbit]

An Lushan rebellion would be wild.... my goodness..

I have never played a game or read a story that has that as a main plot

or part of the main plot

[mystic idol]

You learn more about it in Hexi but as of now I think there’s people who only have vague ideas/theories about what it is, even up to current 4th region

[paper rampart]

We are Emperor Ai's grandchild

[proper orbit]

I love how the devs keep the historical aspects grounded while allowing us to go wild with fantasy costumes...

[mental ermine]

I mean it's not long after tang

Fashion is gonna overlap heavily

[mystic idol]

An Lushan is what in chinese, 安史之乱？

[royal plover]

Somehow we are baby of general wang, hope its not true

[mental ermine]

Yes

I mean thats not his name in Chinese

[proper orbit]

indeed

[mental ermine]

What you typed is "the rebellion of An and Shi"

[royal plover]

Whos AI?

[mystic idol]

oh yeah its part of Hexi plot — or has relevance/impact

[proper orbit]

yea

like that's the an lushan rebellion

[vague shoal]

Look up blood message, a new netease chinese game, it's set in tang period

[proper orbit]

An lushan (安祿山)

[mystic idol]

i always switch to default costume or the more historically grounded costumes when playing main story for immersion hahaha

[proper orbit]

me too

[mental ermine]

Tang dynasty did not fall and split up because of the khitans. The empire fragmented when central government collapsed, zhu wen usurped the throne and the regional military governors became warlords and then crowned themselves kings and emperors

[paper rampart]

Li Zuo

[mental ermine]

The collapse itself has roots to even before the An/Shi rebellion ~200 years ago

[royal plover]

Is lucky seventeen had connection to blade hanging?

@proper orbit

[mental ermine]

Yes

He is the "seventeenth" member in the group of 16

Later Zhou Emperor Chai Rong took him in under his care

[royal plover]

Where are other blade hanging member?

[mental ermine]

Tian Ying is one of them

Rest unknown afaik

[mint spade]

Tang Dynasty basically had three major collapses and An Lushan just happened to be the last one

And even then Tang didn't really fall for many years until the straws blew out the camel's back

[mental ermine]

What's your first two

[mystic idol]

Chu Qing Quan

I believe Jiang Yan is also part of it or maybe just closely affiliated, will have to check later -- because Chai Rong was in close correspondence with him as well (which is why he disappeared for 3 years)

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Guys someone help me understand is jiangnan enemy of song Dynasty?

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Jiangnan kingdom is Southern Tang

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I don't get iy

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Ruler downgraded himself from king to lord

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Is it another dynasty?

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It's a neighbouring kingdom of Song

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Ohh so instead of emperor

He's just a lord now

Why is that tho?

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So song is still fighting with other kingdoms

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Later Shu and jingnan are also mention in murong yuan's quest

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so in this stage, China hasn't been unified yet?

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Yes, only until AD 979 will Song complete the conquest of the other kingdoms, and they never managed to reconquer the 16 northern prefectures

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During the game we are at 962 right

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Yes

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To clarify the 16 prefectures are this 16 different kingdoms?

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16 prefectures = yanyun

Which is modern day beijing area

Currently occupied by the khitan

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Ohhh that's why they expedition north to claim it

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In the map above youzhou and yunzhou are the 16 prefectures (the markers are the provincial capitals), youzhou's capital is basically beijing

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In murong yuan I kinda don't get why they gifted the warship to jiangnan

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Youzhou is also known as yan 燕 since the ancient zhou dynasty, hence yanyun

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Ohhh that's why

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It's the ship blueprints, and they want to steal it back later anyway

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She said there's a river so they plan to attack someday through naval war?

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It's the yangtze river (chang jiang)

Attacking south china from the north always needs a navy

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Ohhhh

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If you look at a map the yangtze is one way to divide north and south china

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And the khitans are the momgols?

Mongols

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No

They may be genetically related but the actual mongols only come around the end of the Song

~300 years later

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So the song dynasty would fall afterwards?

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Damn what

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Every dynasty eventually would fall

Song Dynasty would limp on for half is life with half its size though

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Which is where qin shi huang enters?

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They lost the entire north to the jurchens

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My guy, qin shi huang is 200s bc

He is more ancient to big zhao than big zhao to us

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Game is 963 bro going a little too far back

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Huh, I thought he unified china? So his empire collapsed?

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It's like when is caesar gonna conquer france lol

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Dynasties rose and fell, no empire lasted forever

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What mean later, like later zhou, later shu?

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分久必合，合久必分

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Later, to differentiate from the original zhou and han for eg.

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This might help you with the big picture

The first emperor was the first to organise a central state over china

Before him, the zhou kings sent their relatives and close ministers to govern lands as lords and their lands eventually became the warring states

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Ohhh