📖lore-chat

[foggy tiger]

Sun wukong isn't wuxia

[nova bluff]

the title 皇帝 translate into supreme imperial ruler. Its not gender based.

[timber nebula]

Yeah it is it's got wu in it

[foggy tiger]

I've never seen it refer to a female

[timber nebula]

Wukong wuxia, wurr winds meet

[nova bluff]

once, for Wu Zetian

thats why if youve noticed i mentioned her

but the title itself isnt gender based, like Queen or Empress or Prince

[timber nebula]

But yeah wukong is a xanxia

[native hemlock]

||the fact that|| blade dies ||is sad||

[timber nebula]

He lives actually

[foggy tiger]

Ah OK

[nova bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/people-die-if-they-are-killed-did-you-really-think-that-killing-me-would-be-enough-to-make-me-die-misfit-of-demon-king-academy-shirou-emiya-fate-stay-night-gif-23794808

[timber nebula]

He lives in our hearts

[native hemlock]

Ahhhh

Ahhhh~

[foggy tiger]

I don't think it's classified as xianxia.. It's more like 仙 xian without the 侠

Wukong is Chinese mythology

[timber nebula]

It's uh..

[foggy tiger]

There isn't really a 侠 in wukong

[timber nebula]

No no it's not Chinese mythology

Wukong is a character from journey to the west

[foggy tiger]

Yes that's Chinese mythology

[timber nebula]

I'm gonna trust you on this

[nova bluff]

No no Journey to the West is a novel

its literature

[timber nebula]

It's a movie

[nova bluff]

its from what? Ming Dynasty

it certainly has stuff from chinese myths, folklore and cultural history

its easy to see the inspiration from Wuzhiqi

[gleaming birch]

He is Mythological Bedrock

[foggy tiger]

Eh, yes it's a literature work. But it's setting is in Chinese mythology. It's not set in wuxia or xianxia cuz there's no xia

[nova bluff]

oh yeah i wouldnt conflate it as a wuxia

tho we are a couple of hunrdes of years away from the novel being written, based on game year

why we talking about wukong

[gleaming birch]

Different genre , but Wukong is over qualified when it comes to cultivating immortality. He had like what ? More then 10 different immortalities ?

[gleaming birch]

I think because I mentioned him as an example for "Following your own hearth" or something

[nova bluff]

oooh

[foggy tiger]

Wukong didn't need to cultivate. He was probably immortal from birth

His jail sentence was like 500 years

[ember linden]

When I think of Wukong, I just think of the Journey from the West cartoon I watched as a kid lol.

[foggy tiger]

It's the same thing I guess

[ember linden]

Well, the cartoon version becomes very Xianxia instead of Wuxia with all the weird powers his allies and enemies have.

[nova bluff]

when i hear people raving about Journey to the West i always think; man these people should read Investiture of the Gods

[ember linden]

I grew up with Tian Long Ba Bu, now that was a wild ride.

[nova bluff]

not a big fan but its a great wuxia novel

[ember linden]

I was too young to understand it fully, but I'll probably revisit it someday to re-appreciate it.

I'll have to check out Investiture of the Gods.

[nova bluff]

its peak

ming dynasty going hard on novels

[foggy tiger]

Wukong does have weird powers and things.

If anything wukong black myth nerf wukong powers so they can make a playable game. Otherwise the player will just curb stomp most things and wouldn't be fun

[timber nebula]

wukong is monke

[nova bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/reject-modernity-return-to-monke-monke-gif-19167526

[indigo valley]

Wukong can’t be xia cuz I’m pretty sure only human he bother to care is xuanzang

[final fossil]

It is Xianxia. They're reincarnations of gods. Even Guanyin was there.

[jagged cradle]

Is there a reason all of the clothes have slits in them or is that like a physics problem

[timber nebula]

which slits

[jagged cradle]

Check the clothes they all have slits in them either sides, front, back

All of them

Or did clothes actually look like that in song dynasty

[nova bluff]

are you talking about the hanfu?

[timber nebula]

cause its hard to walk without dem slits even viking clothing do be like that

[timber nebula]

ye

[indigo valley]

So Yingying wasn’t the one bought our parting tear?

[foggy tiger]

She is

[indigo valley]

Hmm.

[crystal lion]

She's a crossdresser

[vague shoal]

She gave it to velvet shade after i think

[paper rampart]

this town is a nightmare bro. searching for every lore and even had to find 12 cats and the last 82th chest along the way.

[remote comet]

Lowk what’s the saddest lore/story you’ll did or see in the game?

[timber nebula]

the gacha

[paper rampart]

Most saddest? The turtle grandma looked so happy to see her son coming back to hug but he was hugging her own mother behind her.

my poor heart

[warped cloud]

BMW mentioned

Wukong wasn't nerfed. Since we play as a "descendant" in a way so we grow from the start as a new monke. At the start of the game wukong was "defeated" by erlang. Planned initially by wukong and erlang cause they consider one another brothers. Wukong wanted to be free of the crown Buddha used to control him hence his "death"

Thats the tldr version anyway

[mint spade]

Yingying took our parting tears and gave it to her shimmer of the south gege

You getting cucked bro

[green wyvern]

I believe the Chinese fanbase doesn’t like shimmer of the south because how he’s nothing like the real life guy?

[mental ermine]

btw guys, exactly 1270 years ago An Lushan rose up in rebellion against the Tang court

[vague shoal]

Li zhenzhen the moon goddess

[vague shoal]

Rl liyu was an incompetent ruler

[wanton jewel]

Her legacy TwT

[paper rampart]

she's busy playing cards. Do not disturb.

[mint spade]

Since we're just throwing out hexi spoilers now ||Li Yu is incompetent here too. But he's backed by Li Zuo, emperor Ai of real Tang, who is immortal and the true mastermind behind the Aureate Pavilion, who is the hyper competent intelligence unit of South Tang. Of course the two are also at odds since they're fighting for who gets to be in real power.||

[lone yarrow]

Walking the blind girl home was by far the saddest moment. Besides the Chad yi dao going out like a g

[mental ermine]

Li Yu was a better poet than ruler

[limpid wolf]

Tang and Tang 3

[limpid wolf]

Saddest one is the old man you share a drink in Heaven's Pier whom says the made-up story of his youth and asks you to share sake after he dies at his grave

Tragedies dont resonate with me as much as these somber stories that go out with a slow note

[limpid wolf]

Well, he had to be. Because other he would have been poisoned if he was ambitious as a politicon during his younger years

Also, even if he would have been a genius, his political situation was dire in most regards.

Li Jing failed miserable against the Later Zhou, then dumped Congjia all imperial affairs while he just started holding public office and had to deal with his own family poisoning each other as hobby.

[limpid wolf]

Not really, a lot of the demons and mountain gods he faces in the Journey to the West already match him in strength, or use enough trickety to hold him off. What keeps Wukong in the fight is him being a dirty cheater and being almost totaly immortal

[timber nebula]

its important to watch kung fu hustle to enhance wwm lore

[limpid wolf]

Half our mystic skills are just Kung Fu hustle

[timber nebula]

yes but watching it again enhances wwm

[low sonnet]

And all is right with the world

[timber nebula]

PEAK CINEMA

[wraith sigil]

And i love it

[mint spade]

What most people think: Wukong bullying his way through Journey to the West against minor local yaoguai causing trouble like a monster of the week

What really happened:
Wukong fighting off one jRPG last boss after another.

[lone yarrow]

Yeah, and I honestly didn't think he was all that bad. You tend to turn out like that when you don't have anyone else to live for or fight for

Is there a good location to farm for those rice bowls? I've been running around that entire area for a while now and can't seem to get any

[low sonnet]

assassinating aureate mobs near the general's shrine boundary stone yields some. there's a group that you can assassinate completely.

[lone yarrow]

Nice, thanks

On that same island as the general's shrine?

[low sonnet]

yeah it's the group of 3 near the stone. they aren't facing each other so free stabby

[lone yarrow]

Do they respawn of you leave she warp back?

[limpid wolf]

Even the local yao guai has some trick up his sleeve that either deters or completely wipes off Wukong by giving him some divine backpain or instant diarrhea

[low sonnet]

I think over some time? I just pass by there from time to time. dunno if there are other mob packs that are as easy or accessible

[mint spade]

Looking to farm Aureate pavilion materials?

[inland estuary]

Hey!! I'm new to this server just wanted to share my love for the game's lore I love it soooo much... Just finished the first main part, and I miss Yi Dao... sniff

[limpid wolf]

The lore is basically Dynasty Warriors levels of fanfic

[mint spade]

Take his sword and stab it in yourself so you can remember him in your heart

[inland estuary]

FR!! I cried so hard...

I cry easily but still, made me very emotional, love when that happens

[mint spade]

I saw someone adjust the positioning of the sword so it clips through their chest as a "side hip accessory"

[lone yarrow]

Yeah this is my second run and my first run I got so eight bowls pretty quick but this time not so fast

[lone yarrow]

Only three games before this have made me cry and this game alone made my cry like three times already

That last fight scene with yi dao and us hit hard, him getting to finally try parting tears, in the middle of the brawl made me really sad for some reason

[inland estuary]

I don't mind spoilers so if anyone can tell me do we eventually get someone kinda like Yi Dao as the story progresses? As in like, following our character around and/or serving as a kinda frenemy character, I loved whatever they had going on and I need MORE

[vague shoal]

Prepare for hexi bois, it's apparently more tragic then qinghe and kaifeng combined

[lone yarrow]

If you're asking if we get more heart break, then yes

[mint spade]

I have learned a new way of respawning and farming enemies.

So you go to build mode and choose wooden wall.

Then you alter it to make the half wall version.

Now you... Build it into a massive 60 tile tall tower(30 full wall tall)

Then at every step, you place a single carpet between the gaps of each half wall.

[inland estuary]

Same...

[mint spade]

Then you crawl under the first carpet and clip through it and jump

[inland estuary]

NOOO I WANTED IT WITHOUT THE HEARTBREAK 💔

[mint spade]

And you will clip through all the way to the top, bypassing the need for a warp respawn

[vague shoal]

Kaifeng, the 2nd part is less depressing

[lone yarrow]

Like, damn, them sharing a final drink together was just ugh

[mint spade]

It is a very lore accurate way of playing the game

[lone yarrow]

But as a whole is pretty damn sad still

[inland estuary]

I'm about to dig Yi Dao from the grave and stick one of those weird aah bugs in his ear to get him back/j

[lone yarrow]

I even thought the river master story was sad as hell

[mint spade]

You don't got his body, it's burned up and maybe taken by the pavilion

Maybe we will see zombie yi dao if the writers really go down that route

[lone yarrow]

No, we won't. Thank God

[vague shoal]

Poor fish man

[mint spade]

But that is so cliche and low class they definitely won't do it...

[lone yarrow]

But the way he went out was just heart bursting

[buoyant wadi]

Raging Tides seems like a good-aligned sect tbh but why are they outcasts?

[inland estuary]

Also wish we could have gotten Dalang as a mount...

[mint spade]

I would feel sorry for the River Master but his daughter is cucking me

[inland estuary]

Such a beautiful horse

[lone yarrow]

Fr, like, to carry the hopes and prayers of an entire ppl like that is heavy af

[mint spade]

Because they're basically soldiers who refuse to follow military command. A rogue army.

[lone yarrow]

Which one is dalang

[mint spade]

Steroid horse boss

[inland estuary]

Yeaaa

[lone yarrow]

Oh the magic horse

[mint spade]

The magic is roids and drugs

[inland estuary]

I felt bad having to beat it...love horses

[lone yarrow]

Nah it was legit fairy dust

According to the lore

[mint spade]

Me too, poor Dalang, but then I heard the EN voice acting and it felt horrifying

[lone yarrow]

Yeah I didn't like that fight because why we fighting when we should've been ushering them to safety

[mint spade]

Original CN voice acting: This messed up evil guy truly loved his horse...

EN voice acting:
This messed up evil guy TRULY LOVED his horse...

[inland estuary]

I felt like that fight overall could have been prevented but bud had to be terrified even though we didn't do anything, got his horse killed for nothing 😭

[mint spade]

Uh, the horse tamer is a secret aureate pavilion agent

[lone yarrow]

Yeah it was all so unnecessary

[mint spade]

He very explicitly wanted to kill you for the pavilion

[lone yarrow]

Like damn, why

[lone yarrow]

When? And were we actually aware as mc?

[inland estuary]

If he liked his horse that much why even use it to fight..

[lone yarrow]

Did he come with scythe Mommy

[mint spade]

Did you forget you and yi dao were raiding an Aureate Pavilion camp?

And yes, he came with scythe mommy

[lone yarrow]

Yeah but I thought they were prisoner or something

[inland estuary]

From what it seemed he was just there yeah

[lone yarrow]

They sure didn't act like they were on the same team

[inland estuary]

And the door was locked from the outside

[timber nebula]

just learned that heaven quaker spear is low key similar to the staff from kung fu hustle, the eight trigram staff, which is a kung fu developed by the yang family in the song dynasty, were in the song dynasty

[mint spade]

Nah, he's a high level operative given use of the blue glowy insects

[lone yarrow]

Well at that moment I don't think he wanted a fight at all. And we as mc didn't

[inland estuary]

Wasn't one of the insects on a random dude we beat in the start though? In that fight ring thingy

[inland estuary]

I forgot the name

[nova bluff]

we will get alot of likeable characters, liangzhou gonna be peak

[vague shoal]

Li Zuo, last emperor

[lone yarrow]

I vaguely remember something like that but I didn't know it was him and I know as mc, we had no idea

[inland estuary]

Is any of them going to call the mc pup though.../j

[mint spade]

I feel like the best friend you have following you around is the goose

Every boss they're willing to come help for 10k coins

What a true bro

[lone yarrow]

Wait what

[inland estuary]

Clip-Clop though...I would die for Clip-Clop

[lone yarrow]

The goose can help with bosses?

[mint spade]

It's part of the assist system, you can call in a goose for 10k

Of course, if you're really sick in the head...

You can Tai Chi the demon goose across the world to destroy any world boss

[lone yarrow]

Oh I never seen a goose sign but I haven't been able to summon anybody one time yet

Well I haven't tried on this character but my first one I wasn't able to summon a single player or AI bot

[mint spade]

Summoning player is wonky but summoning AI bot should be no issue.

[lone yarrow]

Nine if then have worked once for me

None I mean

[mint spade]

Mobile or PC?

[lone yarrow]

It either gives me some error msg or it just doesn't interact with any of my selections

I'm on console

[nova bluff]

if you havent triggered the cutscene for their intro they wont let you summon

[lone yarrow]

On console the interact button is r2, and it doesn't respond most of the time to summon signs

Like it can't even click on them to open the menu

[nova bluff]

its the same for PC if youre using a controller

if its a bug for ps5 you should report it

[lone yarrow]

Yeah so I didn't know what's wrong with mine because sometimes even the sign posts have the same problem for me

[nova bluff]

because it works fine with pc

[lone yarrow]

I haven't tried on this new character I made on a different account I'll try next time but how do you even get the goose sign to appear, I've never seen it

[timber nebula]

@nova bluff

[nova bluff]

ye

[timber nebula]

R U ol

[nova bluff]

no goose sign. In the Companion Assitance option you can pick the goose as a summon. There is no such thing as a goose sign.

[lone yarrow]

Ok I never seen it there either so I have to do a goose mission first

[nova bluff]

you need to hit something?

[nova bluff]

you have to beat the goose to be able to summon it. Same with the rest of the summons aside from Ruby

[lone yarrow]

Yeah I've fought everybody including the goose

I also didn't know you can summon Ruby

[nova bluff]

she revives you when youre dead, best one

[timber nebula]

She calls you laoda 😭

[lone yarrow]

What does that mean

[nova bluff]

老大

[lone yarrow]

Is she available for every boss?

[nova bluff]

chief or boss orlike gang leader

[lone yarrow]

😭

I seen someone summon yi dao and he's a spirit right?

[nova bluff]

during the family quest where we see the flash back of young MC with Yao Yaoyao, MC is a real menace of a brat

[lone yarrow]

Is Ruby also a spirit?

[nova bluff]

no ruby doesnt appear at all

when you die she revives you

[lone yarrow]

Oh okay

[nova bluff]

Yi Dao comes as a spirit yeah

[lone yarrow]

So she doesn't help you fight she just keeps you alive?

Damn I wonder why I never seen her on the list either

[nova bluff]

yeah, she revives you

[dim belfry]

I'm pretty sure these messages don't belong to lore chat

[full phoenix]

I guess Ruby's companion had more meaning, I didn't realize until I did her mission.

[thick flax]

Damn, i was right with my guess just based on how she talks in CN lmao

Im glad i straight up used CN voiceover immediately, the personality of the characters shines more (?)

[nova bluff]

absolute menace

[loud vessel]

blad still alive?

[wraith sigil]

Just realized Zhao’s name is Zhao. That’s the Song royal name

How did i miss that

[nova bluff]

its okay

[wraith sigil]

Me looking over song history because interest in the game. Sees all the names “!!!!!”

[mint spade]

You know, you guys are all talking about these big names but...

You know who is tragically overlooked? Jin Zilong, the random mook soldier you saw guarding a door in the Jinming Pool warship

[nova bluff]

i didnt get my bottom walloped, i only remember those that did.

forever in my heart wolf maiden

[thick flax]

Oh, isn't there a lore about how he's actually like

Super talented and all that?

I think from a letter you can read

And he just decided to be a foot soldier

I forgot why, so please do correct if im wrong 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[indigo valley]

Do lord shi actually know that basin is fake?

[wraith sigil]

Probably did

Didn’t matter if it was real or fake to him really

[tall wolf]

Wonder if it was explained anywhere how he managed to harness that into the power he got though. I know it was revealed later that he was actually a significant/prominent figure undercover pretty much.

[mint spade]

That's pretty much his entire story, super talented guy who just became a footsoldier doing menial guard duty

Weiyang City proprietary martial arts has many methods of creating illusions using money

Lord Shi is obviously in on the plot - Everyone who jumped in to grab the pot was in on the plot, except you and Big Zhao.

[indigo valley]

Also. At the end. Did granny also finally remember that Yingying wasn’t actually Yingying

[mint spade]

Yes.

[wraith sigil]

Yes

[timber nebula]

Yes

[lone yarrow]

So Ruby is responsible for breaking the illusion array? By making over to moonveil MTN?

[austere rain]

Yeah

[analog sleet]

We have lost Ruby, and we have to protect Zhengran at all cost

[wraith sigil]

It’s a Chinese novel trope where you line up things in a way that confuses the senses so you constantly lose your way while inside it.

So what you need is an third person objective view to help you out by giving you an outside perspective

Basically the banner gives a reference point so you stop being turned around all the time and confused

[foggy tiger]

bruh

[wraith sigil]

What are cars?

I’m not sure if they had milk tea during Song

[grim rock]

i saw aircraft carriers being made on the china servers

[wraith sigil]

Kill southern Tang with air superiority

Actually khitans the real enemy

What’s the winning play go south against the Tang remenants or screw the Khitans

[grim rock]

do you think we'll be young masters forever

what if the game lasts for another 20 years

will we still be young in lore

[deft haven]

Is Yi dao dead dead?, i remember when we finished the boss and there was this weird horse pov for a sec, when we we're riding the horse there was some dude similar to yi dao????????

[quartz talon]

he is dead dead yes, ||you can "meet" him again by touching his sword under the tree in blissful retreat that takes you to dreamscape where he tells you to go on the jianghu on your own before you wake up||

[deft haven]

yea i know that

but when we were leaving on the horse right after there was a dude similar to him just hiding in common fit

[quartz talon]

yea I don't think that was him

[ripe shadow]

I mean, considering what the Mohist Hill have been able to create, and the fact that we get a vehicle update later, this could be entirely lore accurate XD

[vague shoal]

Both

[wraith sigil]

we cultivate ageless bodies

[mint spade]

It's not just a Chinese trope, if you go to Disneyland you will find that it is a lot harder to walk out than it is to walk in...

[limber swift]

sounds like an american suburb, where everything looks the same

[main karma]

Who was Li Wa?

[wraith sigil]

Disney world designer is a arrary magician D:

[remote comet]

Lowk wonder how Yi Dao would have been treated like and done in Kaifeng if he had made it

[ripe shadow]

Question for lore peeps, I know Jiang is seen as the killer of Wang Qing in the beginning of the story, and the opening cutscene takes place presumably soon after that since they talk about him committing patricide. But do we know who betrayed the 300 Well of Heaven disciples who came to help Wang Qing?

[ripe shadow]

He's more experienced than us, but he's still pretty gullible and unused to schemes considering even our naive MC was able to trick him into fighting the entire bandit camp while we snuck in. He would definitely be more suspicious of Yingying, but I still see her being able to scam him, just with more difficulty. He'd definitely be pushing for GTFOing after the Treasure Basin goes missing - and would probably be very angry at the MC for offering to eat the poison in exchange for finding the Basin and clearing their name.

[wraith sigil]

[Been drawn too much bread, so I quit and came out to make real bread]

it's actually really good btw

[limber swift]

That's funny af

[wraith sigil]

lol i thought the same xD

[abstract crown]

This doesn't look like it belongs in #📖lore-chat , now does it? 👀

[wraith sigil]

sure it does, half of the story is about literally drawing bread

I blame it on bad translation

[abstract crown]

Elaborate on that, please 👀

[wraith sigil]

It absolutely has nothing to do with "illusion tricks" as they say and everything about "drawing bread" which is slang for making empty promises

well there was some genjutsu like illusions involved but it ain't the drawing bread part

[abstract crown]

[wraith sigil]

which is why Yingying spends half of the story drawing bread on letters

[abstract crown]

I'll move on, then

[grand arch]

qianye and han should smash

[wraith sigil]

but what about me and han

[grand arch]

han is lesbian

probably

[wraith sigil]

good thing I play girl

[grand arch]

tru

dress up as quaye and u have chance

han probably talked to quanye

i wnoder if both of them cooked up this massacre

so the young master can have character growth

[wraith sigil]

I did the disguise questline i can do it

[grand arch]

also

cat dude, why is quanie 2 ppl? like the white hair girl and black hair girl

[wraith sigil]

double the fun

Chinese saying a flower in each hand

[grand arch]

oh

also how come murong yuan has longer hair than the paid dress of hers

[wraith sigil]

to show off

did Song people still think cutting hair is bad?

[grand arch]

no

i like girls with long hair

i dont like men with long hair

[wraith sigil]

Confuscian belief your body belong to your parents and cutting hair is disrespect, cutting hair is a judicial punishment and people can see you criminal because your hair is cut.

unless you monk

that's different. You can monk anytime

with good respect. monks are respected.... generally

[limber swift]

miaoshan respected no monks hah

[grand arch]

long hair men look gay

[grand arch]

if he didn't have the bun and mustache and beart he would be good

[wraith sigil]

depends on whether or not they kept facial hair

[grand arch]

if u fight miaoshan first time he hard to fight

keep fighting him and he will be easier than the fkin void king

[wraith sigil]

people often comment how modern men wearing hanfu look like eunuchs because people shave nowadays

[grand arch]

hmm

bro i had so much hype for velecet shade

[wraith sigil]

aesthetics swung kind of wildly between han to weijin to tang song yuan ming qing

[grand arch]

i thought the hair for velvet shade would be good

and i was met with immense dissapoinment

[wraith sigil]

Velvet Shade is really Tang coded in their clothes, surprised they aren't chubby

Tang likes their women slightly round

not like fat but like.... you ever seen the actress for Noble Consort Yang?

[shut condor]

Thicc

[grand arch]

no

i wonder what would happen if i bring a anceint chinese emperor into a the modern world and show him chinese beauties

[wraith sigil]

notice the full hair dress and the forehead thing and how she wears her clothes, similar to Velvet, Tang coded

[shut condor]

Depends on which emperor since different beauty standards

[limber swift]

there's the opposite of this story, being released into a movie

[grand arch]

i remember something

a girl put somethign in a urn

food and water went into

[limber swift]

was originally a tv show back in 2001

[grand arch]

it and fed the milatary

[limber swift]

I think made by TVB

[grand arch]

then the military gave it fake gold

[wraith sigil]

Which dynasty, Tang liked chubby fuller girls, Weijin liked girls that are frail and skinny and dressed ethereally

[grand arch]

i have seen a shrot of it

[grand arch]

no clue

bro im having trouble keeping up with indian lore

[vague shoal]

Aunt han and chu were lovers so likely not

[grand arch]

trying to find the descentants of the pandavas so i can find if there is actual connection beetween gita and fiction

[wraith sigil]

Bro 5 Dynasty 10 Kingdoms is lore all in itself. It's like War of the Roses level complex cranked up to 12

[grand arch]

but thier entire bloodline ended

[vague shoal]

Nah war of the 8 princes is thr GoT of china

[grand arch]

the pandavas are kind of the very pitiful heroes

[wraith sigil]

true

[grand arch]

these guys fought evil and won, died on a mountian at old age and thier grandson was responsible for ushering evil into world back again the very same evil these guys fought

[native karma]

Bumwdgqd

[wraith sigil]

everyone wants to do 3 kingdoms but there are so many interesting times in Chinese lore

3 kingdoms so overdone

[grand arch]

cat dude rate how pitiful this story is

[grand arch]

i wonder if there are going to be japanese ppl in ancient china like embassy of sorts

we see japanese girls

[wraith sigil]

not sure about Song but they were very active during Ming

[limber swift]

if you go far back enough, theres rumors of xu fu ending up in japan

[wraith sigil]

Japanese piracy and Japanese claimed piracy were often on Ming records

i say claimed because there were Chinese pirates that claim to be Japanese pirates too

[grand arch]

hmm

[timber nebula]

it look like sushi

[finite pond]

They don't have to do my granny turtle like that 😭

Thank god she didn't die at the end

[wraith sigil]

yeah but the way i see it she don't have much to live for either

she's old, by herself, not in best health, all kids dead

[vague shoal]

She made peace at least

[wraith sigil]

yes i am happy for her

[vague shoal]

The last happy end we getting before hexi

Gotta enjoy it while it last

[finite pond]

Yep. But still that fake out at the end made me burst into tears

Now I gotta hug my grandma again

[wraith sigil]

reminds me how there's almost no happy endings in 仙剑奇侠传series

[lone yarrow]

I see

[vague shoal]

Jiang hu is rough

[wraith sigil]

i tried to explain Jianghu to my western friends, the best way i've said it was like it's like "Da streets" it's all about personal reputation, interpersonal relationships and sect/gang politics, over law and order. I am pretty proud of that anology myself

[finite pond]

You should have just said it's the way Jianghu is just basically Wild west in a nutshell

Now I know wild west and Jianghu are really different due to how the wording of Jianghu means

[timber nebula]

Honestly

It's same same but different, wild westerners have their own code of ethics they follow doesn't matter if it's law abiding or not

Same with Jiang hu

[timber nebula]

@vague shoal

[fluid olive]

I'm depressed

from ||ruby dying||

[tardy cairn]

Hey so uh, holy turn of events first ||ruby dying|| then that fight that I was lowkey gonna cry because she's my baby and I regret getting mad at the start of the game THEN THEY ||TOOK OUT MY BOY YI DAO||
This isn't where winds meet this is where we weep

[fluid olive]

real

[tardy cairn]

I think I cried a little lowkey

[fluid olive]

rip labubu

[tardy cairn]

Yes yes

Once I can I'm going on their quests, I want the items NOW

[wraith sigil]

welcome to the Jianghu

[tardy cairn]

I feel very welcome

[wraith sigil]

most Jianghu story be starting like this

[tardy cairn]

Any other sad things I should prepare for (I don't mind spoilers)

[wraith sigil]

仙剑奇侠传 started with everyone one you knew a loved and everyone your girlfriend knew and loved getting butchered

honestly nothing as much as the start, as with all Jianghu likes

they need to beat you down and make you nothing first so then you can be somebody

[tardy cairn]

That sounds like its straight out of "I'll make a man out of you" from Mulan 😭

[paper rampart]

Sounds like a wuxia for me

[wraith sigil]

it is one of the defining titles of WX genre

[tardy cairn]

This is making me realize I need to learn to interact with people in game so if I have questions I can ask

[wraith sigil]

i really recommend it

[vague shoal]

Do her legacy before moving on to kaifeng

[timber nebula]

Wuxia is bittersweet

Anyways @vague shoal

[tardy cairn]

I plan on getting as many side quests done first, I'll probably die a few times -

[timber nebula]

I left qinghe after completing all the stuff I needed, martial arts/inner ways/mystic skills

[vague shoal]

Brah why u pinging me without any messages

[tardy cairn]

I need to do that, I just have to figure out how

Also, for higher leveled players who've gotten far, is there any other heart clutching I might cry moments to prepare for? (I don't mind spoilers)

And should I worry about Han?

[vague shoal]

The next arc isnt as sad, but I hear that the 3rd part is sadder than the 1st and 2nd combined

[tardy cairn]

Wonderful

I'll mentally prepare now

[vague shoal]

3rd part is in february though, a long wait

[tardy cairn]

Thats not that far away

[timber nebula]

Google Ur best friend

[timber nebula]

But saddest one id gacha roles

[tardy cairn]

Google is failing me 😭 I've gone to YouTube and TikTok

[timber nebula]

What are you looking for

[tardy cairn]

How to start Ruby and Yi Dao's item quests

I want to get that out of the way first

[vague shoal]

For Yi dao you have to touch his sword in front of the big tower that is under repairs at blissful retreat

[tardy cairn]

I'll try and find someone in the multiplayer thing to show me 😭

[vague shoal]

As for Ruby, go here and pick up a map in the brewery

[tardy cairn]

Another problem, I don't know how to find maps

A lot of players ignore cries for help in finding stuff

[paper rampart]

Btw @vague shoal

[stray tinsel]

Guys, whos the guy at the ending of chp 1? With x scar on his face

[crimson cave]

Dude im also curious, he looking like he knows the young master and has the same mark as the horse thief yidao killed when u first met him; sus

[paper rampart]

Which region?

[crimson cave]

The dude staring at u feom behind as u ride ur horse in the purple fields before heading to the boat for kaifeng

[paper rampart]

Sounds like li zuo

[crimson cave]

Doesnt look like lizuo, but the dude is sus

[paper rampart]

Have any screenshot? I totally forgot what was it since im at the end of kaifeng now

[crimson cave]

Horse thief that yidao killed has same mark:

[paper rampart]

Oh. A nobody.

[stray tinsel]

Damn

[crimson cave]

Aint no way some random npc gets a closeup without being important to some extent 😂 🤷‍♀️

[paper rampart]

You can see him while doing horse thief bounty near the ugly lady purple flower area.

He’s the bounty you gotta kill.

[crimson cave]

That guy look more like a main character than me 😂

[crimson cave]

I cant find him anymore after finishing chapter 1

[paper rampart]

He is under vendetta or bounty you will do every day in QingHe

[old beacon]

How can you guys post photos here

[crimson cave]

If ur talking about the daily bounty board, the horse thief posted on there is just a random greenwood bandit guy, its not the same dude

[quiet wigeon]

have to earn enough level. Just chat like usual. If required we usually send images through private messages when someone asked for help.

@vague shoal is it confirmed the main story will continue on february?

[vague shoal]

Msq continues in season 2 so yeah

[quiet wigeon]

I see. time for temporary retirement then. I don't feel like gearing up only for them to become obsolete in less than a month lol. Guess I'll be back on feb! Thanks for the info

[foggy tiger]

That's cuz u didn't choose the sponge bob skin. That's main character vibes right there

[spring flax]

So I got to the end of Chapter 2, and I am massively confused about some things, but I'm not sure I'm supposed to know yet or if I missed it. So who is Aunt Han? I know she's Water Lady, but it doesn't give me much. Also Our "uncle", I got was a traitor in some fashion, but I don't have a bead on who he is either.

The Kaifeng portion was much clearer to me somehow, even though there's a lot left to explain, but the Qinghe portion, I'm super hazy

[crimson cave]

U right bro 😂

[spring flax]

Actually, do you have a lore video to recommend to dive deep?

[quiet wigeon]

not sure how I can answer the "who is Aunt Han". She's your foster mom, a former jianghu wanderer with the nickname Water Lady, who is capable of performing face swap procedure. Background wise she is responsible for performing face swap on a lot of jianghu spies that are trying to defeat the khitan from the inside.

Uncle Jiang is the foster son of a general, and is your foster father (not romantically involved with your foster mom mind you). ||He killed his own foster father, the general, because the general got infected and turned into zombie by that zombie insect the mysterious brooding guy you kept seeing tailing you on the background. Hence why he is branded traitor and is on the run on the intro||

[spring flax]

Okay so that's what we know so far. I wasn't that lost, there's probably a lot of lore left to discover in future updates I imagine

[vague shoal]

They technically arent your adoptive parents though

Just raising the MC with vibes

[crimson cave]

@vague shoal ik hexi is in the past, but are we playing a diff character? If its a big spoiler, no need to say

[quiet wigeon]

the backgrounds are much much deeper already, but most are found in books and tiny sliver info here and there, like the battle scars on the bell tower, etc

[vague shoal]

Still same character, but I have no idea how we travel back that far

[crimson cave]

We the infinite jianghu warrior surpassing time and space i guess 😂

[spring flax]

I wish there was a book to soak in all that lore and story honestly hahaha.

[vague shoal]

There's some good lore videos on youtube

[spring flax]

Can you recommend a youtuber?

[crimson cave]

Apparently the lore gets even more complicated in future regions; even if i played through these chapters i always need to watch videos 😂

[tawdry sleet]

get ready for tears lowkey.... was painful

[spring flax]

I'd be down for in depth lore videos, I love those, watched way too many on Elden Ring and Hollow Knight

[quiet wigeon]

but they're generally not that important, and definitely won't affect the story for you. AND, even our main character failed to connect the dots and still doesn't realize water lady is not aunt han. So I think by the time we got there and it's important they will tell you again either way.

Unless of course you just want to soak in all the lore, then go for it.

[crimson cave]

Im not gonna make it 😭

[spring flax]

Now I'm just sad about Murong Yong. This girl needed to be redeemed, and I'm all for destroying the thing 😛

[paper rampart]

I have no clue then. I only know he is a brother of the same x scar face

[vague shoal]

WWM Girl got some good videos in 10 mins that explain all the key parts

Murong Yuan already made peace with herself and move on from the revenge thing. She later travels the world to seek the Dao, you can find out about it in the wandering tales Lu and Mo debate, Masterwood hamlet 1

[quiet wigeon]

I can understand why Kaifeng is so clear and Qinghe was so hazy though. In Qinghe the lore is tied to the background lores and the heroes that came before us (pretty sure you understand all the lore related to the main character and ruby etc). In Kaifeng the main story is when the main character actually is the main story

[paper rampart]

Youtube Handle attached

@软软喵大人

[spring flax]

Wait she's not dead? You just made me happy haha

[vague shoal]

Yeah you can see her again in the wandering tales quest I mentione

[spring flax]

I can say 你好 and that's about it, though I'm trying to learn. Is it in english?

[paper rampart]

Yes subtitled English

[spring flax]

oh that's great!

[spring flax]

Alright thanks, I'll watch those two!

[paper rampart]

All the enemies with sad stories are not dead after defeat, except for the horse.

[spring flax]

That's good to know, I'm hoping she can play a part later on. Loved the character

[vague shoal]

Murong Yuan is my favorite side character in Kaifeng too

[spring flax]

Yeah, I'm loving Kaifeng a lot, but she's the highlight for me so far

[vague shoal]

You've done the soaring eagle encounter quest right?

[quiet wigeon]

she was for me, until I died 50x because people in matchmaking doesn't understand how to separate barrels.

[spring flax]

Don't think I did! need to find those

[vague shoal]

Soaring eagle gives a lot of context about Murong Yuan, and the Lu and Mo debate in wandering tales provides the closure to her arc

@quiet wigeon She gets a lot harder in higher level raids cause you can't just tank the barrels anymore at some point lol

[crimson cave]

So true, one time my team didnt clear enough barrels in the yellow or orange area; was an instant W I P E 😂

[mint spade]

The worst is when she lights her sword on fire and she does one of her moves that locks on a non-tank character

[quiet wigeon]

I actually missed that wandering tales, will definitely have to find it. I wish they made it easier to track those. Wanted to play but having to tab back in and out to do all the mini quests is pretty tiring.

[crimson cave]

So yikes cus im just a pocket healer 😂

[vague shoal]

I had to rush and do it to finish the rest of her story since someone told me she was still alive and I could find her again in that quest lol

[quiet wigeon]

dude, last time I fought her one of the player seems to think that the solution is to gather all of the barrels on the firebird side, and for everyone to run to the other part of the ship. I kept screaming on the chat asking him to stop lmao. Boom we all dead.

[mint spade]

Oh yea, fun times when the healer is busy moving a barrel when suddenly Rongyuan jumps off the tank halfway across the map to swipe at you with a flaming sword and blow everyone up

[vague shoal]

As always, I just looked it up on the internet cause there's no way I'm doing wandering tales by myself

[crimson cave]

Then everyone leaves the room 😂 awk

[paper rampart]

That’s a poor 67 you did

[green wyvern]

I find the horse boss in sword trial worse people just can’t seem to dodge or kill the zombies not to mention it seems to lag more than any other boss

[acoustic socket]

Just finished chapter 1... I'll remember you forever ruby

[foggy tiger]

There were at least two instances I had where she was at like 5% hp and suddenly 5 indicators were around me and a cluster of barrels drops and she swipes her sword and goes ALLAHUAKBAR BOOOOOOM

Lil nitpick tho her surname is Murong. Yuan is her given name

[wooden cedar]

does the qinghe dark surge cutscene still play after I beat tian ying

or is beating tian ying part of getting some of the dark surge fragments

[foggy tiger]

Beating tian ying is not the end of fragments. There should be one more at least after that I can't remember the exactly how many

[wooden cedar]

aight bet

[foggy tiger]

But the end cutscene is not at the fight.

[umbral viper]

I dont understand the midnight blades. Are they an evil sect? do they kill innocent people or only criminals

[wooden cedar]

where do i get this manual

nvm 😂

[nova bluff]

No they're not evil-evil, they release people from suffering.

If you're willing to kill you should also be willing to die

And you inherit the sins of the people you kill

[green wyvern]

On the ground near you

[nova bluff]

That's why you kill the recruiter for Midnight Blades after you join

[paper rampart]

Relax, Ruby is not dead. Just implied dead.

[wooden cedar]

yea theres no way she aint dead

[nova bluff]

For Hexi, ||no no, we don't travel back in time. the reason for how we get to experience parts of the Anxi Protectorate and An Lushan Rebellion isn't because of a time travelling.||

I can tell you how, tho it's a big spoiler

[nova bluff]

I'm sorry buddy even in CN ruby is still dead

[ripe shadow]

||Is it through memories then?||

[nova bluff]

Nope

[ripe shadow]

We're at her grave, I'm pretty sure we buried her. They just didn't show her bidy on screen.

[paper rampart]

Then go her grave again. There’s no tombstone at all

[sharp kayak]

what theres grave?

[paper rampart]

The tree above your house

[nova bluff]

Go here

[paper rampart]

Imagine saying Ruby so many times but nobody remembers her tree location

[nova bluff]

Remember during the dream sequence with Yi Dao, Ruby was there too

Among the rest of the dead people

here for the people who cant find Ruby's Grave

[foggy tiger]

Can't make out what are the first 3 words there

[nova bluff]

go to the location ive sent and go there yourself for a clearer image

oh btw even in my global acc ruby 100%

i heard some people coping shes alive because it wasnt 100% for them

[foggy tiger]

Where tho?

[nova bluff]

@foggy tiger this buddy

[foggy tiger]

Ah OK thanks

[nova bluff]

Yi Dao's Grave

west of ruby's

[warped oracle]

i noticed the new kaifeng region has a new faction called xuanyuan and they have lunar powers that are really pretty and im kind of jealous. are they ever going to become a sect or faction we can learn martial arts from or is there any speculation in regards to that?

[nova bluff]

nope

in CN we currently have Lone Cloud, Raging Tides, Mo Sect and partially released Masked Troupe

[warped oracle]

aw thats a shame, their martial arts are really pretty and fit my aesthetic. knowing it exists in the game but not accessible to players is such a shame haha.

[old beacon]

For players who play in CN server, which sect is the coolest?

[nova bluff]

Mo Sect. Fr Fr. Trust me Bro.

[old beacon]

Okay why is it Mo tho? Do they have pretty outfits too?

[nova bluff]

uuuuh Mo Sect members have to masquerade as people from other sect

if you caught them, you can imprison them and force em to make a special divine craft that can only be crafted by their sect

so the more people going mo sect, the more people to bully divine craft out of

[old beacon]

So they are baddies? 🤣 worse than nine mortal ways?

[nova bluff]

no no, theyre not bad guys

Lone Cloud is cool too

if you like the Monogamy approach. 1 Partner for life

if you break up with your partner you get heavly penalised

[old beacon]

If I leave my sect will my sect outfit stay with me? Coz I am planning to get all sect outfits rly 🥹

[nova bluff]

yup the only thing you cant carry is your title

so if youre the chief elder of Midnight Sect atm and leave and join Well of Heaven you cant carry your Shakanda title

[old beacon]

okaaaay

You play in CN server. Did you guys finally find aunt han there? Just curious 🫠

And are we going to get new weapons?

[nova bluff]

Im early parts of Ch4, Yingying will contact us regarding a lead

[nova bluff]

yup we will. 3 rope dart, 3 umbrella, 3 spear, 2 sword, 2 fan, 2 modao, 1 dual blade, 1 Fist and 1 Hengdao

Fist and Hengdao are totally new different Weapon types, the rest are just new Martial Arts for existing Weapon types

[old beacon]

Okay and is big zhao the leader of china or something. Is he still in the game in cn servers

[nova bluff]

uh not leader of China. he is Emperor Taizu of Song

Song Dynasty. There are still other Kingdoms that exist during this time

yeah not alot of time will past for ch4 because ch3 is a filler arc (kaifeng is ch2)

[old beacon]

He is the one in the end cutscene yes? In yellow robes?

[nova bluff]

yup

unmistakable perfect body and charismatic facial hair

[old beacon]

Lololol I knew it

That plot twist. No wonder he freely roam in the kingdom and never get caught by soldiers

[mental ermine]

china is not unified yet, several other kingdoms coexisting

[mental ermine]

if you want to know more about the time period look up 5 dynasties 10 kingdoms or ask somebody here

helps with a lot of context about what's going on in game

[nova bluff]

here I made a list previously

5 Dynasties
Later Liang (907–923)
Later Tang (923–936)
Later Jin (937–947)
Later Han (947–951)
Later Zhou (951–960)

10 Kingdoms
Wu (902–937)
Former Shu (907–925)
Chu (907–951)
Wuyue (907–978)
Min (909–945)
Southern Han (917–971)
Jingnan (924–963)
Later Shu (934–965)
Southern Tang (937–975)
Northern Han (951–979)

The Tang Dynasty is from 705 to 907. Southern Song (北宋) is from 960 to 1127.
Some of the 10 Kingdoms existed together with early southern Song when Taizu was emperor.

Taizu will die without reunifying china proper

[mental ermine]

northern han the pesky lil shi 😂

jinyang a fortress for thousands of years

[old beacon]

So some political leaders in the game are real people?

[nova bluff]

yup

alot of the characters we meet are irl people

[mental ermine]

major leaders all are

[nova bluff]

for example Qin Roulan is a real person

[mental ermine]

the higher they go the more likely they are real

[nova bluff]

my wife btw

[old beacon]

Is the young wanderer able to go through all that dynasties in the game? 🫠

[nova bluff]

nope

[mental ermine]

we're at AD962 in game

so you can see where we fit in

Song is the dynasty following later zhou

the 5 dynasties were all one after another occuping roughly the same region (sometimes bigger and smaller)

and they coexisted with some subset of the 10 kingdoms

Southern Han (917–971)
Wuyue (907–978)
Jingnan (924–963)
Later Shu (934–965)
Southern Tang (937–975)
Northern Han (951–979)

remaining kingdoms are these lol you'll see them mentioned in the story

southern tang is occasionally referred to as Jiangnan kingdom as well

[old beacon]

These kingdoms go to war with each other? Will there be war in the game in future?

[nova bluff]

we will really only be able to go to Qinghe, Kaifeng, Hexi and Mohist Hill

Hexi takes place in the past. MohistHill is next to Qinghe

[mental ermine]

there's war all the time in this period, it's a time of chaos

in the quests you'll hear about some of the wars that took place

over the last few decades

[nova bluff]

thats why the goal of alot of people we meet is to stop or slow down Song Expansionism

Zhao wants to conquer everything, his neighbours dont wanna get conquered

[mental ermine]

@old beacon you finished the main story and the lost tales?

[old beacon]

The soldiers that attacked Heavens Pier. Are they enemies of big zhaos kingdom? Are they from another kingdom?

[old beacon]

Main story yes. Lost tales not yet

[nova bluff]

thyere a different entity

they operate inside a different kingdom

inside Jiangnan

[old beacon]

Why did they attack Heavens Pier? Thats what im confused

[nova bluff]

think of em as the big baddie of the story

uuuh explaining that will be really long and difficult idk where to start

[old beacon]

In the beginning of the game someone took our coin with our name in it. Is it them?

[nova bluff]

the Jade

[mental ermine]

they're a group linked to southern tang

[nova bluff]

no that was uncle

[mental ermine]

there's a puppet master behind the group

[old beacon]

So uncle is still alive? Even in cn server? Is he our enemy?

[mental ermine]

|| white haired guy at the beginning with the bugs, the last emperor of unified Tang, Li Zuo ||

[nova bluff]

no he isnt our enemy and yes he is

[mental ermine]

btw the lost tales are really good for lore so take your time and enjoy them

[old beacon]

How about uncle jiangs friend? The one who helped him in the intro with the fan. What is his role? And are we going to meet him?

[nova bluff]

Chen? he is alive

[old beacon]

Sry for my questions im rly curious 🫠🤣

[nova bluff]

🤔 i dont remember meeting him in cn, or maybe i just didnt notice when i did

but he is alive for sure

[undone dust]

could someone give me an explanation on who tian ying is? isn't he aligned with aunt han? and if so, why do we fight him?

[nova bluff]

Tian Ying is uh dark hero, willing to do bad things for the good of the many

he was alligned with Aunt Han when Han was alligned with the Hanging Blades and Northern Vow

[old beacon]

Is aunt han a spy?

Or double agent?

[nova bluff]

as a Kid Tian Ying was saved by a Hanging Blades Elder. Later on he joined via the Invitation of Wen Renpu

Chai Rong and Wen Renpu established the Hanging Blades. Chai Rong made Tian Ying cosplay as a Monk named Miaoshan. To melt buddha statues for coins

im skipping some fine details, because he did so much stuff

[old beacon]

I hate that boss btw

[undone dust]

oh wow whats like one bad thing he did?

[nova bluff]

he left half of the jade cores to his allies as a signal to meet again (the stuff you get from ye wanshan and the dragon with Lucky Seventeen). But when went, it was you he met. He recognise who you are because a few years back Uncle Jiang helped him escape Tang

[dreamy perch]

can someone explain what the heck was going on in the "River's Fury" side quest?

[nova bluff]

He hired/asked for help from Li Zhenzhen (Moon Goddess) to kill Jianghu Heroes (they wanted to kill the Khitan Envoys)

but for a big mission the Khitan envoy has to reach Tang territory

that was also the reason why Li Zhenzhen died, the friends and famillies of those Jianghu Heroes took revenge

[nova bluff]

you should really go read the whole thing. Im not doing justice to Tian Ying's story with my summaries

[undone dust]

no i might actually have to LOL the dude seems so ominous and cool when we first see him

[nova bluff]

No, shes a Face Changer that helps with replacing the face of hanging blades and northern vow members

[old beacon]

He looks like johnny depp 🫠

[old beacon]

I think this is one of the new quests. I have not done it yet but I will later 🫠

[old beacon]

Whaf do u mean by replacing their faces? And why do they want to change their faces?

[indigo valley]

They went to be a spy in khitan territory

[gleaming birch]

Melting that Buddha was essentialy spiritual suicide in the eyes of the people

[mental ermine]

joined Chai Rong (later zhou emperor) as a hanging blade
apart from the buddhist stuff already mentioned, he was the assassin who killed the khitan envoy in southern tang

tldr
Khitan Liao want to ally with southern tang against later zhou
tianying is tasked to assasinate the liao envoy in southern tang so that the alliance will be dissolved
gets li zhen zhen to protect the liao envoy on the way to southern tang, li zhen zhen dies killing many jianghu people in the process and branded a traitor.
just so tianying can complete his mission
tianying is then captured in southern tang and languishes there, when he's finally out later zhou was already replace by song and his old boss chai rong already died of illness

[next frigate]

What are the benefits to being married?

[mental ermine]

do all the lost tales and dark surge in qinghe you'll be able to piece together his story

[gleaming birch]

Affection... (Blush) oh and some Emotes

[celest grove]

Guys they say the game is based off 10 kingdoms period so did the sects in the game exist in real life?

[vague shoal]

The sects are fictiton

[celest grove]

alr

So how much of the game is accurate to the time period?

[nova bluff]

so that they wont get recognized when they infiltrate the north

for the ones we can buy in shops (not pearls), those existing ones plus a couple more. As for the paid ones (pearls) theres a handful of em. I dont have the exact figures

[vague shoal]

A bit hard to say, probably have to read the 10 kingdoms period to know what's different and what's not. For example 1 thing that's different is the last emperor of tang is still alive

[nova bluff]

its a fictional game based on a real time period

[celest grove]

I see

[nova bluff]

you will see and meet historical figures but theyre not 100% representative of the irl ones

[celest grove]

I see ok

[nova bluff]

you will see historical events but it wont be 100% accurate

[celest grove]

That’s interesting

Wbt like in terms of the geography and stuff

[nova bluff]

its more or less accurate aside from the scaling

[celest grove]

Like for for example moonveil mountain does that exist irl?

[mental ermine]

i mean real kaifeng is way bigger for one... even back in the day

[gleaming birch]

What do you mean Big Z did not throw real chicken in Keifeng???

[nova bluff]

i cant speak for the all the georaphical features of the land. But the City of Kaifeng is real

[mental ermine]

geography wise kaifeng is also in the central plains ie flat ground

[celest grove]

Oh nice

[mental ermine]

in real life

so there wont be that many big mountains that close to the city

[nova bluff]

the devs tried to replicate alot of irl stuff with all the details

[mental ermine]

the layout of the city is good though just downscaled

[celest grove]

Damn bro do u guys like study geography

[mental ermine]

palace location, design, the temples etc.

[gleaming birch]

But did Big Zhao have a wife ?

[nova bluff]

Yeah kaifeng was built there to control the river routes. thats why looking at kaifeng its such a weird city

[nova bluff]

yes

[mental ermine]

understanding the geography helps understand the history too 🙂

[celest grove]

That’s true

[mental ermine]

then it makes sense why the 16 prefectures of the north were so important to china

[nova bluff]

he has 2 dead sons, thats why its the prince of jin who will take over next

[gleaming birch]

Miss Big Z :0

[mental ermine]

and why it was a big thing when it was given away to the khitans

[gleaming birch]

Sad

[mental ermine]

they're not dead

zhao dezhao and zhao defang die in the next emperor's reign, relatively young

[nova bluff]

its theorised that the Prince of Jin had them killed at around 20 years old

thats not young

you get married as a teen during Later Jin

[mental ermine]

that's young enough

[mental ermine]

they died when he was already emperor

of course, it gets weird when your father was the emperor and your uncle is the next emperor...

[nova bluff]

yeah, to make sure no power grabs

[mental ermine]

uncle vs nephew happened too many times in chinese history. and world history of course

[wheat canopy]

Can someone explain to me the story behind the river master/roaring sands story?

All I can grasp is that the lady (I forgot the name) might have turned into one of the “dragons”? But idk the correlation between her and the campaign boss

[mental ermine]

there's a whole joke about how basically almost every emperor with taizong as temple name all ascended to the throne with incomplete legitimacy, or outright usurpers. and it even applies to the joseon kings in korea 😭

[nova bluff]

yet hey at least their descendants will continue the Song later on since Taizong's heir wont be able to produce any heir

[mental ermine]

dude got burnt out running too hard 🤣

[crimson cave]

ill wait to be surprised when it comes out then

[nova bluff]

yeah its soon anyway, just wait it out

[gleaming birch]

Will the Yellow river flood ?

[nova bluff]

it always does

[gleaming birch]

Yellow River flood event

[mental ermine]

it's really wild how much the yellow river could change course

[gleaming birch]

Also will we see Chang'an ?

[crimson cave]

Gotta get some extra boxes of tissue for hexi

Also is this speculation or a real possibility

[gleaming birch]

Wild Goose Pagoda

[mental ermine]

so far no afaik

city would be a shadow of its former self after the wars and massacres

[gleaming birch]

Hexi would be further North West, no ?

[nova bluff]

yes

tho not exactly, but yes

[gleaming birch]

I loosely know the locations of the Tang/Song prefectures from CK3 all under heaven

[nova bluff]

THIS IS CN's MAP. BIG SPOILER, this is to scale properly, i just sticthed it up.

[mental ermine]

changan would lose its strategic value forever, too hard to supply when the breadbasket of the empire shifted to the east and south

[nova bluff]

North West is Hexi, Next to Qinghe is Mohist Hill

[mental ermine]

kaifeng was way easier to supply, but geographically defenseless against the liao/jin/mongols

[crimson cave]

Hexi chilling by itself lel

Map is gonna be massive

[nova bluff]

there will be a reason for that, but yeah

[mental ermine]

it's far af after all lol

[crimson cave]

Hopefully player base stays high and whales keep funding game 😂 im here for the long run

[gleaming birch]

Give us ...uhh I forgot the prefecture name the one with L in the south ... Lots of jungle white river Delta

[nova bluff]

Hexi is huge but relativelty empty even compared to Qinghe

[mental ermine]

lingnan? like modern guangdong*?

[crimson cave]

Is hexi technically now w the khitans? Its pretty north, if this is a big spoiler dont tell me

[mental ermine]

no

[gleaming birch]

Yee that one, listen I have an easier time remembering the rivers

[gleaming birch]

Hexi is China's road into Arab lands, Kithans are more pure north

[crimson cave]

Ty for educating my poor geography bum self 😂

[mental ermine]

ah it's pearl river

[gleaming birch]

The Kithans where step people, kinda like Mongols

[nova bluff]

remember Hexi isnt current time. Go read about the Hexi Protectorate and An Lushan rebellion. Hexi will be more epic if you get the references connected to em

[mental ermine]

khitans are north/north east, there will be another power rising in the northwest. but not sure if we will see it in game

Song dynasty was really gimped in controlling strategic territory lol

[crimson cave]

Any good resources or just google about that? Man i really wanna get as immersed as i can

[nova bluff]

just general google, wiki is fine idk bout yters

[gleaming birch]

W are in Division Era

[mental ermine]

dm-ed you a link to read @crimson cave

[vague shoal]

MC won't live till then lol

[mental ermine]

yeah. they are technically around already, just not their time yet

[gleaming birch]

Just let me drink this quicksilver potion and I will !!!

[crimson cave]

I grew up in the states so know poop about Chinese history, was curious to see how my hometown contributes to this story but its so northeast i dont think it matters as much

[nova bluff]

me lying down on a river of mercury

[mental ermine]

which province? like modern day province

the khitans are probably occupying that region lol

[gleaming birch]

Oiii Senior don't horde all that immortality, share some share some

[mental ermine]

bro you think you're the first emperor or smth 🤣

[nova bluff]

all the mercury belongs to me

[crimson cave]

Longzhou aka modern day changchun, this place originally part of three kingdoms of Korea; just looked up, i guess it was part of liao dynasty

But really far from the current story regions 😂

[mental ermine]

ah changchun

[nova bluff]

"You met me in a very Chinese time of my life" ah statement

[mental ermine]

it's like prime jurchen manchurian area lol

[gleaming birch]

China had so many different cultures to fight back then

[mental ermine]

absorbed many and changed themselves too

[crimson cave]

Yeah i just checked, longzhou wasnt even part of the sixteen yanyun prefectures, but still controlled by liao dynasty

[gleaming birch]

Like me and @nova bluff s mercury

[nova bluff]

we going transcend from being just Celestial Mortals with this amount of mercury

[crimson cave]

I guess after the 3 korean kingdoms split and tang and one of the korean kingdoms (more modern day korea aka silla) fought against the other 2, my region just opened up for giggles and grabs 😂

[mental ermine]

Rip man 🤣

[crimson cave]

Bummer was really hoping to see maybe how they portrayed my region in story 😂 too far and irrelevant

[mental ermine]

gotta wait till ming dynasty

[gleaming birch]

No matter how Immortal, you are still in the Palm of Buddha

[mental ermine]

😂

even beijing is out of chinese hands until then

[crimson cave]

Bro i am chinese but know didly squat about my culture 😂 american high school taught me one chapter about chinese dynasties and then said mongols ate everything and boom

[mental ermine]

i mean. they're not wrong about that 🤣

it's all good man never too late to start learning anything

[gleaming birch]

Beijing is a patch if grass or something at the time of the game

[mental ermine]

nah it's been settled for a really really long time already

capital of the prefecture usually called youzhou

[gleaming birch]

You sure ? Hrmmm might confused it with h some Steppe land

[mental ermine]

also capital of the yan kingdom during warring states

[gleaming birch]

Ahh

[mental ermine]

nah beijing is south of the yan mountains, northern central plains

[left sorrel]

Hello everyone how are you doing

[gleaming birch]

Can't sleep

[mental ermine]

that's why song was kinda f-ed when the khitans got the northern prefectures. it meant they lost the northern mountains as a defensive line

[left sorrel]

There's a problem in the game I want to ask about it anyone know the solution or not

[nova bluff]

dw they probably butchered the rest of world's history too, not just cn's

[mental ermine]

horsemen come riding straight into the plains

[crimson cave]

@mental ermine is educating us at this late hour, i am soaking in the knowledge

[gleaming birch]

North mountains where piss poor but he'll if a natural Fortress

[mental ermine]

i'm just yappin

[nova bluff]

im fine but i cant stop thinking about the Battle of Changping. Thanks for asking

how about u

[mental ermine]

i like how there was a reference to this in game

[left sorrel]

It seems like very excited

[left sorrel]

Well I have a problem

I can't run in the game you know like I'm slowly walking just walking

Did anyone have this problem before

[vague shoal]

Hold shift

[nova bluff]

🤔 for controller you can just toggle it

[left sorrel]

I'm playing it on mobile

[nova bluff]

oh idk about mobile, sorry

[vague shoal]

You should ask about it in mobile, pc player here

mobile-chat

https://discord.com/channels/1180042348755963924/1448375881172258827

[left sorrel]

Thank you for help

[uncut fractal]

Send a screenshot

[sturdy flare]

Swipe further?

[south willow]

i am stuck in celestial sieze quest that noc is not interacting wha to do

[mellow horizon]

That's not the correct channel

Please use #🌱beginner-questions or contact the game-support if you encounter a game-breaking bug [e-mail]

[timber nebula]

press Z

[snow dagger]

wikipedia has pretty good pages about chinese history, the ten kingdoms to song to yuan dynasty parts in particular

[timber nebula]

Liaomao get bodied - khitan soldier probably

[mental ermine]

tanguts to mongols: nah i'd win

[timber nebula]

"It's berserkin time."

[acoustic bridge]

chronologically, do all the msq kaifeng events happen before we do those campaign quests like Ever-Normal Granary and Jinming Pool? Or is it all kinda mixed in together. The mood of the story feels like it's jumping a lot since I'm kinda just doing things as they come

[vague shoal]

Jinmijg is probably after, others during

[cerulean pebble]

Tfw clicked lore video accidentally spoiled myself like a fool. Ahhhhhhhhhhh I regret everything sobbing 😭

[paper rampart]

Relax, there’s more to come and spoil. Save your sobbing for the rest.

[crimson birch]

so those who know about the story in the cn server or from the cn server in this dc, do we get to meet zheng e in the future story or nah?? im missing that guy so bad

[paper rampart]

You want a spoiler? Will you sob afterwards?

[crimson birch]

YES pls i am prepared to sob as long as i get crumbs of zheng e

i already sobbed in the past cause my favorite characters died so im used to it tbh...

HIT ME WITH IT

[cerulean pebble]

What CN level do I need to read the game in chinese? At least comfortably?

[crimson birch]

ok i also need this cause im even planning to learn with hsk to understand but i think kinda high level cause this game really takes up historical parts and includes a lot of elements from it

[cerulean pebble]

HSK?

[mental ermine]

There's some classical chinese here and there

[cerulean pebble]

I have baby grade chinese

[mental ermine]

Cooked

[cerulean pebble]

I am armed with pleco and a dream

[crimson birch]

it's a standarised chinese profiency test

similar to jlpt for japanese or topik for korean

[cerulean pebble]

I spent 6 years in chinese school, I don't know how to read.

My parents wasted their money Ong.

Where winds meet comes out, I bust out the dictionary and start reading 💀

[crimson birch]

tbh my parents also put me in chinese kindergarden cause they have chinese descent but i remember nothing from that so i get ya

[crimson birch]

HELP I can just imagine you looking at the dialogue and the dictionary back and forth

[cerulean pebble]

I speak and understand chinese without issue, main problem is not knowing enoug vocabulary. I can kinda guess tho

[crimson birch]

with the amount of chinese characters, i pray for your brain tbh 😭

[cerulean pebble]

Is there a story play back system? Or quest log? There are some stuff I missed. Also Big Z's identity I knew, but Ying Ying???? I clicked off that lore vid so fast and I am like shii gotta play the rest now.

[cerulean pebble]

It's not that bad

You only need like 700 ish

[atomic violet]

[crimson birch]

as far as i know nope i think

i tried searching for it to replay zheng e quest cause i DID NOT now he was going to be here but oh well...

[crimson birch]

oh 700 is not bad

i wonder if the lore drop is so bad that waynifer taking quite some time
i probably gonna sob all night if the spoiler is THAT bad...

[final fossil]

Can someone tell me why zheng e decided to steal his bff's identity?

[cerulean pebble]

Idk either I was a bit lost too.

[final fossil]

I just know he went from spoiled brat to bad guy

||After his fam died. It doesn't make sense to me why he'd want to be Master of Grain||

[crimson birch]

oh ok i will try my best to explain

wait did you guys know about all the backstory between shen yilung and zheng e or do you guys want me to go back ALL the way from the start of when zheng e and shen yilung relationship started to sour

i can give a tldr but i don't mind explaining the long way

[timber nebula]

cause he's a fun guy

[olive flicker]

tldr please

[crimson birch]

for a tldr, he decided to take control of the granary to ensure that the people didn't starve in his own way. it become twisted ever since because of shen yilung's brother betrayal and the role of granary control (which was used to be zheng family) was handed over to the very family that killled his family

so there we go i guess

not sure if i have to put spoilers tho

[final fossil]

But didn't we find out that ||there was no grain in the granary?||

[desert violet]

[fossil dagger]

does anyone have the screenshot of a letter from wen wuque to aunt hant. It's already gone for me

[paper rampart]

We will meet all of them again

[paper rampart]

If you can read chinese mwahua, then you can play cn game

[crimson birch]

i thought he actually distributed them to actual places where it was needed(?) or maybe i also missed something...
time to open an alt account to replay i guess

[crimson birch]

YES YES YES THAT IS ALL I NEEDED TO GATHER MY STRENGTH

[vague shoal]

Yes he smuggled it all to ghost market

[final fossil]

Ohhh makes sense. Wow i have a crush on him now

[crimson birch]

oh yes! that was the place i think. one of the reason i like him sm rather than hoarding he sent to the places needed

[crimson birch]

HEHE welcome to the zheng e fan club

[vague shoal]

Well it was ember of the east's plan though, for the most part

[crimson birch]

the plan we learnt through the letter in the house when we first met him right? i had to read sometime to get it. though im not sure whether he was motivated by vengence or still have a bit of his hopeful ideal when he was executing that plan he's kinda like a changed(?) man now so imma be his supporter still lol

my delulu ahh

[devout verge]

Does anyone know when will the nameless general be added?

[vague shoal]

Maybe a mix of both

He seems connected witht he river master too and his wife, still don't know their full lore

[crimson birch]

perhaps i really want to know more of his lore tbh but i am willingly to be patient

[vague shoal]

I think next month, when the last legacy is released

[crimson birch]

oh i haven't done the river master quest so i WILL defintely be opening all my ears and pay full attention to that

thx for the heads up!

[vague shoal]

Yeah there's some Zheng E lore and he's actually quite close to them

Mostly in the updated character bios

[crimson birch]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-daniel-craig-saturday-night-live-get-up-bad-dream-gif-16620261

ZHENG E LORE MENTIONED

[crimson birch]

i always go to the character bios everytime i login to zheng e to check him so will definitely go read them too

[snow dagger]

zheng'e was actually adopted by the feng family in roaring sands (one of the 2 the river master clans) and after zhu yu died he kind of had another mental breakdown

[wheat canopy]

Can someone explain to me the story behind the river master/roaring sands?

All I can grasp is that the lady (I forgot the name) might have turned into one of the “dragons”? But idk the correlation between her and the campaign boss

[real kite]

What's the jianghu exactly?

[vague shoal]

I still dont understand the full Zhu Yu story

[wheat canopy]

it's kind of like an underworld, but instead of being associated with negative stuff like the mafia, it's more like a "separate world" or a martial world defined by personal honor instead of the imperial law

[timber nebula]

please zheng e please my young wander is kinda homeless

[real kite]

It's like an afterlife then?

What do some people mean when they say they have dreamed of the jianghu?

[wheat canopy]

no not really, it's not a literal world you can step into, but a metaphorical world

I think the closest thing I could say is like... it's like the hood? HAHA

Jianghu wanderers could be legendary heroes or people consumed by avarice, it's just a secret community filled with martial artists that exists alongside the surface/daily life

Think of it as a different way of life

[nova bluff]

When governments fail to do its job, people from the jianghu will come up. Delivering their own personal Justice.

Thats why the jianghu is more relevant when the government fails to do its job.

for westerners, murican; when ur local government is bad and aint doing nothing? you go to the Corleone family and ask them to right the wrongs done to you.

for uk, idk call Mr. Shelby lmao

without the crime anotations ofc

[real kite]

That personal justice I assume could be either negative or positive? As in, too extreme or not.

Considering what's mentioned above about some people from the jianghu could be ones consumed by avarice

Like , it's not always "good" people

[wheat canopy]

yep, a huge theme in this game is that nothing is black or white

what may be deemed good as others could be bad to another person

[nova bluff]

Yeah it is personal justice after all. Tho usually its a "Hero" who sees something wrong and tries to do right; even if by helping they make things worst lmao

yeah no black and whites, this aint a comic book where we have clear lines of who is good and evil

[wheat canopy]

The defining aspect of people in the jianghu is that they seek freedom and honor

The freedom to do what they please and to follow their personal code to the fullest

[real kite]

So the jianghu is more of a path of life some people can follow

[wheat canopy]

oh and being strong yes yes

doesn't matter if you're a beggar on the streets or a widow, if you've got martial skill, people will respect you

[nova bluff]

Remember when Li Zhenzhen was protecting a Khitan Envoy because Tian Ying asked her to

Jianghu people went and tried to kill the Khitan Envoyu

which means Li Zhenzhen had to kill those Jianghu Heroes

because they didnt know Wen Renpu has a plan for the Khitan Envoy to Die inside Tang Terittory, not en route

which ultimately caused her death too

[real kite]

So the goodness of actions becomes more subjective

[nova bluff]

yup, personal justice and honour

Li Zhenzhen will do whatever Tian Ying will ask her because Tian Ying saved her as a child bride

The Jianghu Heroes that Li Zhenzhen killed were trying to kill the Khitan Envoy because theyre the enemy

[wheat canopy]

I have never seen a game with as many depressing stories as this damn game 😭

[nova bluff]

😔

Blind to the World

Li Zhenzhen waited for 3 years and Tian Ying couldnt wait for 3 days 😭

[wheat canopy]

I rlly wanna know the story abt the river master but I haven't connected the dots yet

I only did the campaign and the river lost chapter story nearby

[wheat canopy]

Wasn't she already dead for 3 years?

[nova bluff]

yeah, She waited for tian ying to come back even after she was dead, thats why she wore a wedding dress before dying

and finally when Tian Ying saw her in the wedding dress it reminded him of who she was (because she was wearing a wedding dress when they first met)

but she was already dead 😭

[dapper hemlock]

I dont want to spoil anything....
Main story is a 4/10 for me

They expect you to instantly connect with the NPC in the 1st few chapters.

Like a cruddy mass produce murim manwha

The mc is stupid too

Gameplay 10/10
Story below average

[vague shoal]

L take but I respect your opinion

[nova bluff]

Maybe expound on why you think its bad? which NPCs? what makes the MC stupid? to see your views better

[dapper hemlock]

Not enough story time with ruby to feel an actual loss when the village is destroyed and she got killed

[foggy tiger]

Also think L take but not everyone would find this genre interesting so I understand

[dapper hemlock]

MC is too guillable

[foggy tiger]

Mc is 16 years old

[crimson birch]

yup

[dapper hemlock]

I like murim.
Manwha murim does a great job..

But manhua...
It's too over the top. Too many over exaggerated names to the point it's cringe

[crimson birch]

explicitly mentioned in game btw

[foggy tiger]

Mc also grew up in a bamboo grove without Internet. Being gullible comes with it

[crimson birch]

well that's how murim manhwas are if you don't like the genre it's ok

[crimson birch]

yup and aunty han + uncle jiang kinda sheltered him in blissful retreat and heaven's pier to ensure he's safe so it's a given

not everyone is born intelligent and street smarts

[dapper hemlock]

I'm still invested in slop.
I'm even about to read another slop called
"I licked a dog inappropriately to become a billionaire."

[crimson birch]

tf?

[dapper hemlock]

that's what I said

tf is that title. And why

[dapper hemlock]

Fair point.
These are in dark ages where Education isn't common. So I guess I can understand why everyone in the story feels so. Below average

[foggy tiger]

Education still isn't common today

[dapper hemlock]

Staying uneducated is just a choice nowadays.

cough* shorts/reels

[vague shoal]

Well saying the MC is dumb without knowing he'sonly 16, sheltered his whole life means you don't really understand the setting much to call all the characters dumb lol

So yeah, L take

[dapper hemlock]

I'll take that hit. You right

[foggy tiger]

I agree. Imagine reading stuff like licking dog inappropriately while bashing a game story rich in Chinese history

Rip education.

[dapper hemlock]

Bruh..

I am building a Maximal Extractable Value Atomic Arbitrage Bot as a side project for fun

and coding isnt even my course

But google

[vague shoal]

Honestly I think the game does a great job bonding the characters to the reader in such a short amount of time for me

[dapper hemlock]

I just wish they gave like 10 chapters before killing off the kid

Get that real invested time and connection

[vague shoal]

That would drag the chapter too much

But there are simple moments that make you appreciate her