📖lore-chat

[rocky harness]

Let me try again, bbs

[jaunty coyote]

It might just be a first time thing? I didn’t check bag after before and after fight but I did end up with a lot of jade after the campaign was done

Also the loop of ||saving dewdrops so when they stun you for picking up money pile you can just heal through the attack is broken op|| bro can’t even touch me

[rocky harness]

Oh, didn't gine any.. ig i must've gotten those from somethign else?

I did get 50 twice earlier tho

So just a weird coincidence that threw me off

[jaunty coyote]

Nooo I’m going to beat him up again for lying to me

[rocky harness]

Or there's a daily limit

I'll try again tomorrow just in case

never give up

[jaunty coyote]

Never give up 😭

[rustic jasper]

Hope not I think it will be next month

[crystal lion]

My guess is it'll come with velvet sect opening

[rustic jasper]

When is velvet sect opening any idea?

[amber oar]

when do kaifeng quest, the mother bite down on her finger and feed her blood to child, does that mean she been like poisoned/infected so she decied to get her child sick too to die together?

[crystal lion]

With the mq is my guess😂

[old beacon]

There is no part in the quest where it says that the woman was poisoned but I think blood is the only thing that she can feed her baby over and over again, given that it is free, sugary/salty and has nutrients.

[amber oar]

aww poor baby and mother 🙁

[old beacon]

Yes that scene really broke my heart

[rancid meteor]

so what happened to lady zhou's kid?

[jaunty coyote]

In today’s fun facts, you can use blood as an egg or milk substitute in baking ❤️ follow for more fun and disturbing facts

[jaunty coyote]

They are alive and presumably still sick. She sings to the kid in when you run around to try to get people to sing

[foggy tiger]

Can someone post the contents of the letter titled "two fools" that yingying gave to the mc on this part of the main story that was unlocked today? I can't find it anywhere in my inventory after receiving it

[maiden raft]

was the guy wearing red with his face hidden in the dark from the latest chapter's last cutscene big zhao? Or was that shi? The last cutscene kinda confused me.

[crystal lion]

Biggie z

[maiden raft]

ok so that would mean big zhao has more power in the government than he lets off no?

[surreal fox]

||he's the founding emperor of the song dynasty||

[maiden raft]

||whattt, was that mentioned somewhere in game afterwards? ||

[jaunty coyote]

No it’s just he is irl

[marble jacinth]

Guys I thought completing the story of Kaifeng would unlock the last area of Kaifeng (roaring sand) but it didn't 😭

[surreal fox]

not afterwards, but a portrait of him is in the jinming pool ship, and prerelease trailers had his face in the same getup. golden clothes like that were reserved for emperors since the tang dynasty

[maiden raft]

i see ok thank u

[crystal lion]

Yo
Just did a trial for avarice
Got 20 jades

[willow basin]

today i finished the one leaf - one life arc and then the new main story dropped
and it just made it hit that much harder with one of the cutscenes mentioning one leaf
i was bawling by the end ngl 😭

[crystal lion]

It was a beautiful ending

[covert robin]

guys im abit lost on the lore in that void king area! So qinye sacrifice herself? sorry my english is too poor to follow up in that lore but im really interested because whatever is going on in there intrigued me

[misty moon]

Anyone else think Clip-Clop needs a slight rework? Like its an important story/lore horse. But its traits aren't anything nice. Blue stat and can't even swim for exploration, he just boots me off and gets out of the water. But other horses can swim just fine....

[cyan elk]

Why is velvet shade full of jade beauty😍😍

[bitter dove]

True

[echo bronze]

The hint to big zhao being the empereror of song dynasty was when there is a skit of the emperor of song dynasty and his rumored lover on a bar and you sat with big zhao and his friend. His friend kinda drunk and keep throwing clue that one they are watching looks like big zhao.

Implying to us that big zhao was the emperor.

[covert turtle]

I dont even know how bro survived allat

Plot armor aah

[novel coral]

looking forward for "Sound of the axe and flickering of the candle" Event 😄

[marble flicker]

i have NOBODY and NOWHERE to blab about this so ill leave it here (spoilers for latest story quest)
||i love the three little ones so much its like having three little rubys running around.... im going to explode||

[sleek rover]

ME TOO I WAS SO PARANOID WHEN THEY WERE WITH US IN THE PRISON

was like "I swear to god game dont you dare"

[marble flicker]

IM IN IT RIGHT NOWWWWW PLEAAAAASE DONT BREAK MY HEART </3

[sullen edge]

When is the next main chapter will unlock?

[marble flicker]

idk, im still doing the one that just came out

[sleek rover]

probably after the next breakthrough

[thorn kettle]

who is the person that saved us at the end of act 1?

[sullen edge]

Ohhh yeah probably, thank u

[jaunty coyote]

I love|| the little fus so much too when they get you chests and stuff 😭 and save you treasure ||

[marble flicker]

seeing them wave at it made my heart feel so warm dude i needed this after what happened 😭 😭 😭 😭 AGGHHHH

oh okay i see why you got paranoid.

im at the part where ||we went into the exit but the three slipped and closed the door... sigh||

[sleek rover]

yeah like || leave my new baby sisters alone you evil heartless plot || LMAO

[marble flicker]

||the three of them waking me up. well these three remind me of a certain someone 😂 ||

[old beacon]

If they take another kid from us I'm gonna lose it

[marble flicker]

RIGHT???

[echo bronze]

The dao lord is safe.

[marble flicker]

bro the way one of them calls me big brother in the cn voiceover

im tweaking in a loving big bro way

[sleek rover]

I KNOW

[rough raven]

Protect the kids at all cost!!

[marble flicker]

i gotta draw this bro its too precious

[sleek rover]

I just wanna squeeze their little faces until they pop into confetti

[marble flicker]

GHNDUHG NOOOO THAT'S STILL KILLING THEM

[sleek rover]

LMAO

[meager cape]

any cn players here? I want to know who is YingYing truly is 😆

[rotund pilot]

dam, why is this money arc getting me all teary 😭

[marble flicker]

gang why tf i gotta dc in the middle of the damn boss fight

[rustic jasper]

🤣damn

[short bluff]

any CN player could help me, where the hell is aunt Han? I saw her grabbing me at the end of chapter 1, ||where Yidao kamikazed himself,|| but then no mention afterthat

[scarlet stump]

||soo yingying is the ember of east right||

nvm she made it clear to me lmao

[foggy tiger]

They're still looking for the rest of em chicken ducks

Can someone post the contents of the letter titled "two fools" that yingying gave to the mc on this part of the main story that was unlocked today? I can't find it anywhere in my inventory after receiving it

[fallen stump]

The latest CN story doesn’t reveal any more information on Aunt Han either

Aunt Han and Jiang Yan are pretty much absent from now onwards 😂 so far in CN’s latest patch

[short bluff]

That's a bummer, I was looking forward to knowing more about them, thanks for the heads up though

[dry sapphire]

Gonna ask from now is old Jin actually important to the story

Or is he just a reoccurring annoyance that we for some reason don't throw off a cliff

[fallen stump]

I guess you already know all the details between her and Chu Qingquan right?

[fallen stump]

This. lol

He’s not important at all

[old shore]

sooooooo with that beard...||big zhao is the emperor right??? he's been disguising as commoner?||

[rotund pilot]

when wil the next piece of content be released?

[short bluff]

I think so? I know|| they were lovers and he died at blackwater city, but that's the extent of my knowledge||

[thorn kettle]

ngl that wasnt on my bingo list

[old shore]

am i coping

[rotund dirge]

|| She's the ember of east ||

[tawdry sleet]

i knew she slayed

the gold leaf event made me tear up, the story and lore for this game is truly topnotch

[fallen stump]

Yes I’m gonna make a video on who he is and what he did in real history

[fallen stump]

There’s a tower in Qinghe where you can search for clues of their conflict. I believe it’s a mini quest . Basically Aunt Han and Chu had a huge fight before Chu died and that was related to Tian Ying

[rotund dirge]

ikr

[rotund dirge]

shes a W I already had a feeling she was connected to that so when she confirmed it I was like "oh my god I knew it"

[pseudo spindle]

This would be insane

[flint crag]

It made me sad but in a good way

Can anyone explain ember of the east?

And how her role ties to the whole gold making vessel. Im still confused after beating the latest release

[uncut fractal]

||I thought she was in Revelry Hall, I completed a side quest and then saw the back of a woman who I thought might be her||

[fallen stump]

She lost the power struggle vs her brother to be the leader of Weiyang city. So she got thrown out. She helped Shimmer of West (?) do the gold making vessel in exchange for his help getting her back to Weiyang city.

In the grander scheme of things the song government wanted to take Tang coins (which are banned) away from the people, the people suffered badly. Yingying came up with the vessel so the government could leave the poor people alone

[flint crag]

My critical thinking may be bad. But didn't the vessel make the government Crack down more on poor people

[fallen stump]

the government needed money to fight a war with southern tang. If the vessel could create money, then the government didn't need to rip off the poor people as much

[flint crag]

Oooooh

[fallen stump]

I'm gonna make a video that explains everything clearly, next week

at least 3 quests are closely tied to the main story

[flint crag]

Did you already make videos explaining?

[fallen stump]

not for Kaifeng, I only made videos for Qinghe so far

gonna do one on Big Zhao + one on Kaifeng main story next week

[flint crag]

What's the yt account

[fallen stump]

DM’d you

[rotund dirge]

Can you dm me too the yt acc I want to know the qinghe story 😭

[tawdry sleet]

Me too pls

[flint crag]

Man, the historical context is insane 😳

[tawdry sleet]

I opened the dreamscape blissful retreat recently and my god seeing jiang yan again :(((( the whole vibes

[tawdry sleet]

Fr I love how immersive it rly is.

[flint crag]

Im learning so much 😌

Kaifeng is pure cinematic

And the fact that these are real places is so cool 😎

[tawdry sleet]

When I heard it was popular in china I knew it was gonna be peak. Apparently it had a bad launch cuz ppl didn’t believe in it, until they play the game

[prime owl]

Friends, I'm new to the game (installed it last night) and I'm very weak on the lore. Do you have any suggestions in terms of sources where I can read a decent summary of this game's lore? 🙂

[flint crag]

Youtube videos explanations. There's a lot do hidden lore that even flies over native chinese folks

[fallen stump]

I made some lore videos if you’re interested!

But it contains spoilers for the current patch, not sure if you want to know the story before you finish the quests

[prime owl]

Haha fair enough, I had guessed as much 😊

[prime owl]

I would love to see them, regardless of the spoilers!

[tawny hull]

Pretty dope this is what we will be seeing in the future

[austere orbit]

Yeaaaa, getting scammed by her so often, she should join the nine mortal ways. ||she even manages to scam me into thinking she cant possibly be the ember of east with her "pretending" to be the ember of east to scare off the bandits at the start of the act II quests||

[rotund dirge]

I didn't like her at first but then I grew to like her 😭

[modest lily]

what is your lore channel?

[lone fox]

I KNOW big Zhao is him

him

[steady leaf]

Big Zhao is good
His little brother can go die in a ditch

[dire acorn]

his little brother is goated, why die in ditch?

[bold carbon]

can someone enlighten me with He Ran, Uncle Jiang and the general story pls

[lone lark]

So what's the deal with || lucky seventeen is he dead after we fight him or what || I feel so bad if that's the case lol

[modest lily]

will|| yingying|| show up in nxt update?

[olive nebula]

||I think he is alive no? You can talk to him after you beat him||

[ocean widget]

I just finished Ch 2. So is ||our fat friend actually the new Emperor?||

[viscid salmon]

someone send meow meow lore pls

[limpid rose]

pretty much he is the current/founding emperor of the song dynasty

[west cosmos]

I wonder if he can throw hands

[limpid rose]

He was in the army so he had to be able to throw hands

[west cosmos]

Was or still is? Not sure how the emperor stuff works

I assume he’s just like a king of that region

[limpid rose]

He is our emperor lmao

[limpid rose]

Well he is no martial expert but I bet he at least a killed a guy or 2

[jaunty coyote]

Was. Usually emperors are born into it but ||big Zhao is a little different since he was the founder of the dynasty. Historically he was a general who staged a military coup to take the throne, then with military force united china (including leading campaigns himself). Idk how good he is in a 1v1 but he can def lead an army. ||

[west cosmos]

Ah I see now

[limpid rose]

I don't think he is beating any core disciple of a renowned sect that's for sure

[mystic nimbus]

What is the best and goated story thay made you cry in the game rn i js finish the || one leaf, one life. ||

[shy jolt]

Why did metal bird lady fight us again? I got so lost she's suddenly my enemy AHAHA

[jaunty coyote]

Mm ||he is known historically as a war emperor and then also for reforming the civil exam system ||

Also question does anyone know if we are still poisoned

[limpid rose]

Nah we shouldn't be

[mellow horizon]

Short lore-explantion which is more about the political-level and about the emperors

I might include some minor spoiler for the lore of the game and some of the reveals

Brief historical overview:

• Tang Dynasty (705–907 AD): the period of cultural flourishing and the arrival of many foreigners

• Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms (907–960 AD): the time period in which the backstory of WWM takes place (and Tian Ying's entire story)

• Song Dynasty (960–1279 AD): current timeline, also the timeline of SoJ

• Liao Dynasty (916–1125 AD): ruled by the Khitans, a (proto-)Mongolian people

*→ While WWM is heavily based on historical events and features many historical figures, not everything has been adapted with 100% historical accuracy

→ Zhao Kuangyin is predominantly portrayed positively in historical records and literary accounts, but according to the community, in WWM The opposite is true; here he acts slightly antagonistically.*

[limpid rose]

YinYing did say hands would be thrown if we were poisoned fr

[errant cliff]

i have a question. how strong are we the player in lore? i know at first we are weak cannot even beat yi dao but as the story proggress how strong have we become?

[limpid rose]

still a novice

actually we did beat the dao lord and shi

[mellow horizon]

Abridged History of Qing He:

• After the fall of the Tang Dynasty, the country split into several smaller kingdoms → 5 Dynasties and 10 kingdoms

• The story begins during the later Jin Dynasty. Shi Jingtang desperately wants to become emperor, so he tells the Khitans: "Help me become emperor, and in return, you'll get the 16 Yanyun Prefectures :D"

• The 16 prefectures are a militarily important area because of their location between the Liao Empire and the other kingdoms, but he thought, "Uh, it's not that important."

• Shi Jingtang founds the later Jin Dynasty

• Khitans come and invade the area where Tian Ying is located

• Han Dynasty

• Zhou Dynasty: Guo Wei kills the emperor of the Han Dynasty because he murdered his family. He builds a large military force to defend himself against the Khitans.

• His adopted son, Chai Rong, later takes over the Throne, launches a northern campaign to recapture the
Yanyun Prefectures

• The Southern Tang Empire (Nan Tang) also feels threatened because Chai Rong is expanding his territories
southward

• Nan Tang and the Khitans plan to unite to eliminate Chai Rong.

→ The Khitans send a messenger to Nan Tang and Tian Ying's mission is to kill this messenger in
Nan Tang so that the coalition collapses.

[limpid rose]

But like it really doesn't sound impressive but beating shi kinda adds merit but we ain't much in the grand scheme of things

[rotund dirge]

Pardon my little understanding but || from what I understood from the story is that her father whos friends with her adoptive father who is the guy tied to a wheel chair he came up with an strategy or stole an strategy of war for their kingdom the emperor betrayed her father and to protect her and his friend from what I assume the father left her to the general whos in the ship the general obsession with revenge brought the daughter into it she basically set us up to destroy the boat and destroy the print lol ||

||i guess she wanted revenge from what happened||

[shy jolt]

Oh damn

[ashen night]

I wanna know your yt account too
I love watching yt videos about lore

[shy jolt]

That's understandable. I wish we didn't have to kill her though. But loose ends I guess

[rotund dirge]

I felt a bit sad from what happened to her

[mellow horizon]

• So, some of you might know Chai Rong, the last emperor of the Zhou Dynasty from the time of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms (also the emperor served by Wang Qing, Tian Ying, etc.). As you can tell from his name, there were ten kingdoms back then (so it was quite chaotic). Chai Rong wanted to reunite all of China.

• He wanted to focus on the north first, because the Khitans (Liao Kingdom) were located there, and he especially wanted to reclaim the 16 Yanyun Prefectures (which had been given to the Khitans as tribute). He succeeded in doing this, but then he fell ill and died.

• He only had a seven-year-old son at the time, and he wasn't capable of ruling the country, so the political situation was unstable, and one of his generals, Zhao Kuangyin (later Emperor Taizu of Song), saw an opportunity. He spreads the rumor that Bei Han (red on the map), who also has the support of the Khitans, would attack Bei Song (yellow) and has thus received the highest military authority.

Together with his younger brother Zhao Guangyi and military advisor Zhao Pu (the three of them always get up to mischief together), he stages a coup, but pretends he only wants to become emperor reluctantly. Unlike the other dynastic changes, this one was relatively peaceful; he also had a good relationship with the imperial family.

[shy jolt]

I had to pick up the pieces. My heart couldn't let it drift :'

[jaunty coyote]

||Big Zhao is okay 😭 I don’t think he is antagonistic, he just has a lot to balance on his plate and he isn’t the best at doing all of it and his officials are terrible||

[limpid rose]

Well as emperor he is sorta an antagonistic force present during the main story

[mellow horizon]

• To prevent another coup while he is emperor, he holds a banquet where he persuades all the generals to relinquish their military powers – they agreed, so he had complete control over the military.

• Like Chai Rong, he also wants to unify China, but unlike him, he doesn't target the north, but the south. He knew that Bei Han (red) wouldn't be easy to defeat because of the Khitans and wanted to deal with the weaker kingdoms in the south first.

• Then he begins conquering the kingdoms: In about 10 years, he first conquers Wu Ping Jun (light green) and Nan Ping (orange), then Hou Shu (dark blue) and Nan Han (neon green).

The Following part will also now include** Li Yu**, which will appear in a later update; So please aware of some spoilers:

||• Nan Tang is light blue, and Li Yu knows he mustn't anger Zhao Kuangyin because he has a much stronger kingdom. That's why he pays tribute every year, which puts a heavy strain on the State Chamber.

And when he sees that Nan Han (neon green) has been captured, he panics and changes the
name of his empire from Nan Tang to Jiang Nan (so he removed the "Tang" because it
suggests that he is the successor of the Tang Dynasty).||

[limpid rose]

Yeah sure he is trying but there are consequences to his rule

[rotund dirge]

I honestly didn't like what he did

[limpid rose]

Another war 🥀

[rotund dirge]

So that explains why big zao has so many connections

[mellow horizon]

That's Li Yu if someone is curious

He will play a big role in the Epilogue-Kaifeng Quest-Line

||• Li Yu could no longer manage his finances; he spent vast sums of money on the construction of temples, tried to raise taxes, and implemented currency reform, which only made things worse until the Song Empire finally attacked and captured Nan Tang. → Li Yu was captured and poisoned.

• When Zhao Guangyin died, his younger brother became his successor (which is unusual because he himself had children).

• When all the wars ended, all the empires were united, and they have not separated since.||

[rotund dirge]

Oh the art style looks so cool

[mellow horizon]

@astral kayak some political-lore if u are interested

It's connected with yesterday's topic.

[limpid rose]

kinda funny that we get to meet the emperor on the 2nd region ngl

but this doesn't really mean much since we know the goverment and the jianghu don't interfere in eachother affairs

[rotund dirge]

really funny 😭

[astral kayak]

thx goat

[astral kayak]

tbf people gotta remember kaifeng city is the capital

[limpid rose]

idk mane

you don't really get to step foot in the capital and lowkey just meet the emperor

the one we have is a bit eccentric I gotta say

[jaunty coyote]

Even then the emperor is only really involved cuz ||the god of avarice || is messing up the economy no? Like bro left right after that

[limpid rose]

Bro had other things to do

[astral kayak]

Themperor ✨

[limpid rose]

Though kinda crazy to just time skip to days later

[limpid rose]

I mean the first time it was lowkey like damn alot of my loved ones died

[rotund dirge]

Im confused why does the emperor only get involved at the end? ||cause during the end of that the emperor tells big zhao little brother that his plan wasn't going to work so I assumed that big zhao little brother was also behind confiscating the tang coins so does that make big zhao's little brother an evil character or an ally?||

[limpid rose]

Pretty sure it was the emperor that banned the damn coins

[jaunty coyote]

He banned it and he tried to defend it by saying ||it’s the only way to preserve value (also war is expensive) but his experiences with poor people a) made him feel bad and b) he rooted out the corrupt official hoarding all the coins (lord shi) so more coins are in circulation||

[rotund dirge]

|| I mean they did say they needed funds cause they're preparing for a campaign to go south? So I'm assuming theyre going to war?||

[jaunty coyote]

Also something about paper money

[rotund dirge]

||but the one who said anything about paper money was the ember of east so it wasn't the emperor||

[limpid rose]

Big Zhao literally was bringing up paper notes

[mellow horizon]

It's really nice to see that some people actually care about the Kaifeng-Story and about those small details

I can tell y'all that a lot of chinese-players had no clue what is even happening in that story and couldn't sometimes even understand what the characters are saying due to the very complicated dialogues

[astral kayak]

big morally grey

[jaunty coyote]

I feel like it’s the imperial courts little hamfisted way of trying to prevent inflation

[limpid rose]

We also have to remember that the aureate pavilion was also behind this

[astral kayak]

they were funding shi

[rotund dirge]

||he mentioned that the ember of east said to use paper money 😭||

[astral kayak]

and im pretty certain that empperor was manipulated by shi into banning tang coins right

or at least it was in shi and the pavillions interest to do so

[rotund dirge]

||i guess it wasn't supposed to get that bad until that fake lord shi stepped in ||

[limpid rose]

He was not manipulated by Shi at all that was his decision I'm pretty sure

[jaunty coyote]

||No I think he banned tang coins by himself. But he didn’t know the reality of how limited the supplies of song coins are, because lord shi/ aureate pavilion has been hoarding/stealing the song coins. ||

[foggy tiger]

Dao lord is ||3 little girls||

[rotund dirge]

Yea he wasn't

[limpid rose]

did you see how they were moving

[jaunty coyote]

After the end of the quest there were enough song coins to go around to exchange people’s tang coins for song coins

[astral kayak]

ig shi was just vouching for it to hoard more

[rotund dirge]

||them little kids were a bit annoying to beat||

[limpid rose]

sect leader btw

although like a puppet one really

[astral kayak]

yeah

[rotund dirge]

yea so who's the real sect leader?

[jaunty coyote]

||I mean he is the god of greed so hoarding is in his nature. Him and his big pile of money taller than any other building in the city ||

[limpid rose]

no idea I

[jaunty coyote]

We don’t know yet

[rotund dirge]

||wait so wasn't shi working for someone?||

[jaunty coyote]

||He is working with the aureate pavilion but I’m pretty sure they are more allies than boss/ employee ||

[limpid rose]

I wouldn't say for but working with is more accurate

[astral kayak]

dao lord is just a scary figure head the real master of a place like nine mortal ways wouldd never show their face

even with like a mask

thats just how a sect like that would operate imo its way too secretive to allow the real master to just go to some place like the gathering of heroes

[limpid rose]

Shi is Mr Avarice himself make no mistake he is working for himself first 😭

He bomb the aureate pavilion if it meant more wealth for him

[rotund dirge]

Yea

||I mean he did use to work with someone before but I guess he got abandoned?||

[jaunty coyote]

What if the real nine mortal ways guy master is big Zhao all along

[astral kayak]

btw is shi like human

[limpid rose]

Bro be doing too much

[jaunty coyote]

It’s all the free time you get when you offload your emperor duties to your younger brother

[astral kayak]

im assuming his not actually a god or anything

[limpid rose]

Oh yeah pretty sure he is human

[rotund dirge]

LOL

[limpid rose]

Just the average martial guy yknow

[astral kayak]

true

[limpid rose]

we haven't fought any or met a trascendent being in the main story

[jaunty coyote]

Ehhh sleeping daoist maybe

[astral kayak]

wtf is an immortal btw is that a god or just someone whos so good theyve reached enlightment and are young foreveer

[limpid rose]

human ^2

[astral kayak]

immortal is just transcendant then

[foggy tiger]

Sleeping daoist is an immortal in wuxia stories

[jaunty coyote]

Chinese gods are like government positions (so the god of the seas might be working in the role for 2000 years then they retire and they have off hours and such). But even when they retire they are still immortal

The same god of the sea can also retire from god of the seas and go be the god of death or something

[limpid rose]

I wouldn't wanna confirm he is an immortal just yet

[astral kayak]

i see

my only knowledge of wuxia is omniscient readers viewpoint when they go to the wuxia world

[jaunty coyote]

There is a hilarious historical novel about all the departments of hell and officials that are running away from their duties and retirement party and stuff

[frozen lichen]

I finished the new campaign story and my god the cutscene and running in the furnace and the boss fight is cinema

[limpid rose]

Being an immortal in these stories doesn't mean you are on equal terms with the Jade Emperor or the buddha btw

There are levels to this

[jaunty coyote]

Buddhas outside the ranking scale tho no ?

Immortals are just a daoist scale

The buddhists have the deva Buddhisava Buddha scale

[dusky swan]

Will they put the whole china in the game?

[jaunty coyote]

So Buddha is powerful but he can’t get the position of jade emperor because he isn’t in the immortal court

[astral kayak]

catch me in the jade palace getting pprimordial head

[foggy tiger]

We aren't sticking around that long. This area is like 0.00001% of China

[frozen lichen]

I'd love it as long as we have lightning flight

[dusky swan]

Sheesh

[limpid rose]

They are heavenly leaders in their own way I mean though I'm not sure 100% what the heavenly depiction is like in this game

though both frameworks can lead you to either immortality/enlightment

[jaunty coyote]

Yeah but they are like different? Like the heaven version of jianghu and court politics (jade emperor is court politics)

[limpid rose]

Yeah pretty much

[jaunty coyote]

Like they exist and sometimes they overlap but mostly leave each other alone (unless you have to slap sun Wukong)

[astral kayak]

ur telling me tiang ying hasnt transcended yet

[limpid rose]

Oh nah bro just a human

[astral kayak]

The people closer to transcendents are probably like hanging blade then

[jaunty coyote]

Bro has a long long long way to go. The average xianxia person is out there splitting planets in half and cloud stepping galaxies

[foggy tiger]

Hanging blade isn't a person though? It's a small group of people

[limpid rose]

you have to think that the martial masters are just really really strong people

[astral kayak]

i know that lol

[limpid rose]

They still be getting a good century or 2

[astral kayak]

but the game is constantly glazing them\

[dusky swan]

Can I unblock the blockage in my veins so my Chi can flow naturally?
And how to do it?

[foggy tiger]

Usually by sitting on the toilet

[jaunty coyote]

That’s because tian Ying is peaking in wuxia genre. Or pretty up there. We haven’t really gotten xianxia yet.

[limpid rose]

Tian Ying surely haunts the Qinghe narrative 😭

[rotund dirge]

He does fr

[jaunty coyote]

“Haunts” bro still kicking (my face in combat ow)

[astral kayak]

i guess in my eyes a transcendent human is like the extremely powerful human and abovee that is like actual real gods

[dusky swan]

Who is this girl that keeps appearing everywhere?

[foggy tiger]

I wonder why yingying hair changes color tho. Or she just wears a black hair wig most of the time

Maybe she goes super saiyan in fights

[limpid rose]

Maybe she has a really good inner way for dyeing hair

[astral kayak]

she changes her hair so people dont know shes the ember of the east lol its not exactly a common hair color

[jaunty coyote]

Basically. Tian ying is like someone who is an Olympian gold athlete and won a Nobel prize and an Oscar. Very impressive and someone everyone would glaze, but he isn’t a god

[vague shoal]

Lol glad I wasnt the only one who thought of Saiyans

[jaunty coyote]

Surely the $600 gacha fee means nothing to the ember of the east

Ying ying is a true whale

[astral kayak]

yeah ig in this game transcendent = god it isnt a step below that

[rotund dirge]

Im still stuck there she fr jumpscared me 😭

[limpid rose]

We aren't poor either we lowkey can still rob the still shore coffers

[west cosmos]

I’m so excited for our character to get more powerful as time goes on

[limpid rose]

There is alot of gold in there

[vague shoal]

Her hair changing color might be side effects ofher martial art or sthing lol

[foggy tiger]

Wouldn't be surprised somewhere down the line they release kamehameha as a mystic art

[jaunty coyote]

Yeah but we are pretty low fantasy. I don’t know if we will actually really get gods

[astral kayak]

i hope not

thats too much for me

[west cosmos]

Big goose boss fight

[astral kayak]

is tiang ying skilled enough to look 30 till hes 80

[limpid rose]

face changing art solves that issue

[jaunty coyote]

Yeah that’s why the rare immortal appearance in Wuxia tends to be ‘god of something gets summoned once in a dream and never again’ or ‘immortal turns away from the world and lives on a mountain, will not interfere with worldly affairs”

Xianxia too op

[jaunty coyote]

Idk how are his fishing skills

[astral kayak]

this is kinda what sleeping daoist was giving

how strong is current cn young master

does he still get no diffed by qianye

[limpid rose]

absolutely

[astral kayak]

is he even killerblade tier.........

[limpid rose]

We wouldnt even be able to beat Killerblade let alone them

[jaunty coyote]

He like ties even with 3 6 year olds in a trench coat

So in other words bad

[astral kayak]

People out there still think we beat tiang ying

[limpid rose]

I'm not even sure how much of the open world happened for us

[astral kayak]

void king is such a fraud man

[foggy tiger]

Qianye kicked killer blades arse tho. And we beat Qianye in a one on one. Technically we got 2v1 by her split personality too

[limpid rose]

And the Void King only ever lost to Unc Jiang

[astral kayak]

bro you were in a genjutsu

you were napping brother!!!!!!

[limpid rose]

sorry to say this but that's a hallucination

[jaunty coyote]

We had a nightmare while yi dao was actually carrying the fight 😂

[foggy tiger]

Wait. U mean the gear I'm wearing that dropped from her are my imagination too??

[jaunty coyote]

Only thing we beat was the eepies

[foggy tiger]

Goddam. Blink and my power level drop from 1.2 goose to 0.5

[limpid rose]

Some parts of the game are definitely canon

Some parts of the game are just maybes

[severe hound]

In fact, her cat-eared hat comes with a black wig, and her real hair color is that of ember of the east's hair

[foggy tiger]

I appreciate the carry but why he had to explode my rum

[astral kayak]

Ok now that i think about it maybe killerblade isnt a fraud

[foggy tiger]

Maybe that rum wasn't drinkable after all. I've never seen rum explode like that.

[ashen night]

||General WanQing adopts orphans who is able to fight, among those are Uncle Jiang and He Ran. Uncle Jiang is the general's favorite because he's skilled and his character reminds him of his friend. He Ran had always wanted for the General to notice him so, after joining the army, when he was given the mission that's said could help the general, he does so as best as he can.

What he doesn't know, the thing he delivered doesn't actually helps the general but the insect that could turn him into the sleeping puppet.

The general understands, so he sends Uncle Jiang away so he could survive. But uncle jiang catches what's going on after he met He Ran. So he rushes back to the general.

Alas, he was too late, because the general had died and been turned into the sleeping puppet. Uncle Jiang puts the general out of his misery, thus the general died "twice".

He Ran only saw the moment uncle jiang killed the general.||

[astral kayak]

My guess is like killer blade > tiang ying > hanging blade members > aureate pavillion big dogs?

[jaunty coyote]

Tbh it’s hard to scale at top lvl since everyone is specialized. Like idk if aunt Han is the best at combat but she is sure best at changing faces

[limpid rose]

Idk about the Tian Ying one lowkey

[jaunty coyote]

And pretty good at combat

[limpid rose]

Bros playing politics rn

[jaunty coyote]

Tian ying might be near aureate pavilion top members but not near leader

[limpid rose]

one feat he had was assasination

[limpid rose]

I put my money on Chu

We knew they had a fight but like Aunt Han was the angry one here

and I don't think Chu was keen on beating his lover

[astral kayak]

yeahhh chu probably went easy on her

[jaunty coyote]

Aunt Han is more a support / medic person than a front line fighter no?

Chu is dps

[astral kayak]

chai rong is tank

[foggy tiger]

Tian ying achieve legendary folklore status with two characters he appeared in the world with. In today's terms it's like he smurfed two different gaming accounts to world ranking status. Guy must be pretty skilled to do that

[jaunty coyote]

Most of aunt Han’s feats and renoun is with her work as water lady and alcohol maker

[limpid rose]

Aunt Han is known for changing faces and she definitely can throw hands

[west cosmos]

[astral kayak]

isnt tiang yings only feat killling some old fat guy

[limpid rose]

You don't get that kind of skill with throwing knives not intending to kill the other dude at the end of it

[jaunty coyote]

No he’s the top disciple / top elder in several sects before he dipped. ADHD man fr

[west cosmos]

No it’s fighting us and living to tell the tale

[vague shoal]

Her fight with members of palace of annals destroyed the bell so I think she's pretty strong

[astral kayak]

you gotta remember aunt han killed dalang with one knife hitting the bug on purpose

thats crazy accurate

[jaunty coyote]

Strong but idk if she is specialized in fighting. It’s like she has a high mastery skill but she is specced mostly healer yanno what I mean

Or face hanger

[limpid rose]

Her martial prowess definitely makes her a fighter

actually the more accurate term is killer

[foggy tiger]

She's a master of disguise. She could be anyone. Heck she could be yingying

[limpid rose]

Silver Needle disciples can absolutely throw hands too

[foggy tiger]

Idk about that I only see them throw umbrellas and fans

[jaunty coyote]

Why’d pvp keep crying about healers then 😂

[foggy tiger]

I threw the joke it went over your head

[astral kayak]

Uncle jiang did we beat emperor ai? no tiang ying that was void king.......

[limpid rose]

they don't have an infinite fan supply unfortunately

Void King is a lapdog

[jaunty coyote]

No I’m just a salty healer 😭 we are scary okay grrrrr

[limpid rose]

Like a strong servant yeah

Though in his notes it was mention that Uncle Jiang gave him his first L

and then we gave him his other L

[foggy tiger]

We probably saved void king. He wouldn't have known what to do after his 1000th kill.

[astral kayak]

yeah but for all we know void king fought 999 plumbers

[foggy tiger]

Lol

[simple plinth]

Guys where to see all boss name and the story?

I still cant catch the triple budha mask boss and his face just looks like jack Sparrow

[uneven mantle]

U mean Johnny Depp

[simple plinth]

Yeah lol

[limpid rose]

idk what really the void's king deal with bro just had to self exile protect a tomb attempt 1000 wins

[astral kayak]

void king loses to puppeteer

[foggy tiger]

This is lore chat. ||he is jack sparrow. And that's CAPTAIN Jack sparrow to you||

[limpid rose]

the puppeteers are martial heroes

so there is that

[mellow horizon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wherewindsmeet_/comments/1oysls8/the_story_of_he_ran_the_man_who_wants_to_see/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[foggy tiger]

Idk. Short end of the stick if u ask me. Like seventeen having to forge 10k swords. If I were him I'd just forge 17 sword

Would be nice if defeating seventeen gave me 10k sword drops. I'd be sorting for weeks

[limpid rose]

Lowkey wished there was more explanation to the dungeons

who is making these elaborate dungeons

[ashen night]

10k-level 17 swords

[limpid rose]

not really who but I need to ask how

When I went to still shore I'm out here wondering who are keeping these candles lit

[vague shoal]

nah man finding stuff in the dungeons was hard enough for me

[limpid rose]

seems like a waste of candles

[ashen night]

If lord shi was only human then what was his phase 3
He looks like a god

[limpid rose]

it was cool for narrative purposes

that jianghu flair yk

[vague shoal]

reminded me of that wukong boss fight man, but I think it was just flair

[ashen night]

Ohh okay 🤣 I'm just surprised because he's from the court so I didn't expect the phase 3 form to look like that

[vague shoal]

needed to make the epilogue epic

[limpid rose]

We seen his room of gold

Bros just a show off

[foggy tiger]

Illusions

[foggy tiger]

Completely unrealistic ||main character didn't show up the next day with a couple wagons and a shovel||

Oh wait I suppose big Zhao took it all. Rip

[green wyvern]

So why did I just fight and kill two street performers in a Chinese lion suit?

[astral kayak]

@limpid rose made this

[rustic ice]

lmao isn't he still alive? Pretty sure he didn't drown after the fight

bro was just playing possum

[astral kayak]

nah he faked his death to pose as a liao empire official

[rustic ice]

bro got his Aizen level of plans within plans

[mint spade]

What do you mean Zero Feats, this guy basically did everything in Qinghe dark surge

[rustic ice]

wouldn't know, can't understand the lore anyways

the text flashes by too fast for my to make heads or tails of anything

and 90% of the game isn't voice acted

[mint spade]

Tian Ying basically melted down millions of pounds of Buddhist statues into copper for making copper coins... Which, you know, is very relevant in a certain scammer haven

[rustic ice]

it doesn't help that most of the dialogue reads like google translated goop either

[rustic ice]

so he's the reason Tang coins are worthless?

[astral kayak]

Tiang telll my girlfriend to fight the scary jianghu warriors for me Ying

[old coral]

just beat void king today
So what's with him doing some sort of self exile in the tomb?

[rustic ice]

who's his gf? Qianye?

[old coral]

Also I thought he died in the prologue, or was that a different guy?

[mint spade]

In a way, yes, he made it possible for the currency exchange to happen in the first place

[astral kayak]

Mogged so hard by Jiang he had to hide in a cave

Jiang exhausted and holding a baby btw

fraud king more like

[mint spade]

Without Tian Ying screwing over the Buddhists pretending to be a monk, there would be no money to fund any of the economic reforms that made Kaifeng possible

[rustic ice]

bro I need someone to put out a lore vid on this stuff like mynameisbyf does for destiny. I can't make heads or tails of this text based story

[old coral]

Lmao so he was alive after the neck stab?

[astral kayak]

yes theres only 1 void king

[old coral]

Also wtf was he rambling about with the 1000th kill? is that legit or was that him huffing copium?

[mint spade]

Guy preserves himself well, he hasn't aged a day in 15 years

[old coral]

yeah he looks identical to his prologue appearance, and we're meant to be the baby jiang was holding

[astral kayak]

he thought that with 1000 kills emperor ai would accept him again

[rustic ice]

Void King? That guy already looked like an abomination tho

[astral kayak]

@old coral you gotta remember than in wuxia the best martial artists barely age once they hit their peak

[rustic ice]

are you sure u counted all the wrinkles on his face from 15 years ago and compared them correctly to now?

[astral kayak]

if you cultivate enough youll look 40 when you're 100

[mint spade]

If you read Doctor Tian's journal... Aunt Han....is she actually waifu or old hag with a young face from her own procedures?

[rustic ice]

either way, she's only like 40 iirc

[mint spade]

Also, Doctor Tian is...

[rustic ice]

her looks don't look too farfetched for a 40 y/o

[old coral]

True....
cultivation does bring longevity, although I'm more so wondering why he has identical getup too lol

[mint spade]

Clothes back then we're expensive man, also well made to last a lifetime if properly maintained

[old coral]

It's just a musing, nothing deep lol

[rustic ice]

bro cultivated his drip too

[mint spade]

Where them bounty whales at

I wanna make pearls hunting bounties to cultivate drip too

[urban shuttle]

i know the name of the place but no idea where it is on the map

[wet gorge]

||can i get a bit detail on Aunt Han, Water Lady and the Faceless ones , like why will she test on people||

[wide sandal]

I just start jinming pool and i understand nothing .what is happenning here. can anyone please help?

[vague shoal]

maybe u need to finish the campaign first, but the context is that the prefect is trying to gather funds for the war by showing off military might

[vague shoal]

faceless ones r failed products of spies who needed to change their face/identity to infiltrate Khitan and they have to stay underground to keep the mission a secret

Aunt Han is the water lady

[flint nacelle]

im so confused on the ending of the blind man, uncle jiang, and the old guy.

what was in the box? why did jiang have to kill the general in the end?

[modest lily]

is murong yuan ||dead|| after her campaign?

[sudden valve]

Uncle Jiang kill the general to prevent him from becoming the zombie. Thats why Jiang had to cut off the general's head

[vague shoal]

#📖lore-chat message

@modest lily She's not

[sudden valve]

No i heard that she is alive and we will.meet her again. Now there is an encounter quest so you can learn more abt her

[wet gorge]

makes sense thank you so much , aunt han manages the whole spies operation

[lusty pebble]

He Ran saw 5 seconds of the movie and decided to leave a review on imbd

[flint nacelle]

OHHHHHH I didn't catch the part about the insect and the zombie wtf that's crazy

[vague shoal]

If u wantto meet her again, do Masterwood Hamlet 1 wandering tale, she shows up

[lusty pebble]

tbf, the translation makes the story very confusing
wihtout reading the notes scattered around for context

[sudden valve]

The bug is from the white hair guy (last emperor). The one that was the master to the Void king

[flint nacelle]

yup I remember him from the cutscene thanks guys

[sudden valve]

Yes i just did the quest. Damn i feel sorry for her

[west cosmos]

True I got called bro by killer blade it was so funny

[vague shoal]

At least she's at peace now and chilling around the world

[lusty pebble]

assigned-bro by blade wielding unc

[sudden valve]

At least she's free from the past and moves one with her life

[lusty pebble]

not to mention everyone else ive met in the game calls it palace of annals
but MC calls it something else that i cant remember cuz ofc its not in the dialogue

[old coral]

Question, im still to the game but like
is aunt han the water lady? what's the deal?

[vague shoal]

Yes she's the water lady

[old coral]

Like is she the person who cut off faces to make the faceless ones?

oh snap damm so those people below unfated tian's well are her victims 💀 💀

[vague shoal]

They volunteered actually

[lusty pebble]

not so much victims

[vague shoal]

#📖lore-chat message

[sudden valve]

No the faceless ones are the heros that volunteered to change faces to become spies in Khitan. Aunt Han.was the one can chage face

[old coral]

ohhhhhhh so that's what it is

[vague shoal]

it's not a 100% success operation, they r the unfortunate ones

[old coral]

Im not the best w piecing the lore together in these sort of games, cuz one of the entries in the... water lady's note? said sth about punishing a thief by swapping their face

[split widget]

Does killerblade die from the same boss as ruby?

[sudden valve]

Yes this is correct. Any failed case must be hold down there to prevent the operation from being leaked

[steady leaf]

Did Chen Zixi got offscreened? I searched for him earlier in the WWM fandom, it says he died in Gleaming abyss, did I miss something in the campaign?

[sudden valve]

Yes.

[floral flower]

yeah the translation is very bad and they jsut obviously put it through an ai translator and didn’t tweak it after, very disappointing stuff

[lusty pebble]

he died for our sins 😔 /j

Whatd u learn in school today?

Chen Zixi

Whatd he do?

He died for our sins

[vague shoal]

I googled and a redditor that played CN said he;s still alive

[split widget]

I hate how hard she is... my ego is also too high to go get stronger or reduce difficulty from legend... but i REALLY wanna revenge em

[lusty pebble]

but no hes alive iirc

unless something happened in the newest quest? havent caught up

[finite pond]

I did not know that the feast before the beast encounter quest disappears when you finished the Qinghe main quest bruh

[astral kayak]

how many hanging bladee members do we know

i know there chu, chai rong and aunt han?

[hidden wasp]

Isnt tian ying part of them?

[astral kayak]

no hes the best student of one of their members

i forget the guys name but that guy is also part of hanging blade

[hidden wasp]

I see

[heady shore]

I've also been wondering but is bread guang alive too?

[vague shoal]

He should be

[astral kayak]

should be super dead

[vague shoal]

Wasnt he in the group of survivors?

[heady shore]

I don't have the courage to talk with NPCs after ch 1 ended so I couldn't confirm. 🥲

[arctic sorrel]

So I just finished the new story part and Wait wait wait....is Big Zhao ||the Emperor Zhao Guanyi||??

Oh my god

[floral flower]

it’s the other one

||Kuangyin||

[arctic sorrel]

||Isn't he dead? This is the reign of his brother right?||

[vague shoal]

Guanyi is the prefect of Kaifeng at the moment

[floral flower]

|| no, big zhao is kuangyin, the prefect is guangyi ||

[arctic sorrel]

||OH...that explains why the prefect is so Sus. Oh god, I hope he doesn't murder Big Zhao||

[floral flower]

WWM follows history pretty well 🙂

[west cosmos]

What’s a prefect?

[arctic sorrel]

Its like a magistrate of an entire prefecture essentially*

[vague shoal]

||Guanyi is the 2nd emperor||

[arctic sorrel]

||Yeah I mixed up the timeline and thought it was the reign of 2nd Emps.||

[floral flower]

we’re still in the ten kingdoms era haha, no unified dynasty has won yet

[bright coral]

where did granny turtle go 😢

[astral kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/smoked-food-gordon-ramsay-uncharted-pour-it-in-ash-gif-23343839

[floral flower]

BRO

[mellow horizon]

no words

[steady leaf]

To eat buns daily

But it seems Yingying will return "somewhere" maybe she brought them with her

The Fu Lu Shou siblings we won't know what happened since they got so distracted in the letters

[halcyon vapor]

[floral flower]

It’s assumed they continue with being Dao Lord for the remainder

[steady leaf]

Nice

[halcyon vapor]

bro

[ashen night]

go to the merchant near blissful retreat entrance, the person who sells innerway, he'll answer your question

[heady shore]

Gotcha thanks 👍🏻

[night pagoda]

#Where do I go to see Chinese wwm fandom

[astral kayak]

the tickets are pretty expensive but theres this place thats kinda like the game in real life!

its called china i believe

also x the everything app

[night pagoda]

No Einstein I wanna know the update info to expect

[astral kayak]

uhhh expect a new years update that will add the last part of kaifeng 3 world bosses and a campaign boss and a few weeks after that the next region called hexi

new years next month and hexi possibly in january

[merry furnace]

maybe can try 小红书

[night pagoda]

Thanks guys

[merry furnace]

if you type in this: 烟云十六声 that will show you content related to the game

[night pagoda]

Red note app?

[night pagoda]

Tysmmm

[merry furnace]

yes English name is rednote

[merry furnace]

no need to thank!

[night pagoda]

Absoloute chad

[steady leaf]

If spoilers matter to you just don't, if it doesn't have fun with the search some of the translations won't be that accurate tho

[verbal bane]

whos the character and baby on the title screen i've been skipping all the story even though it seems cool

[steady leaf]

Adoptive father and you

[steady leaf]

Uncle Jiang and you

[verbal bane]

is he a major character or just see him at the beginning?

[steady leaf]

Yes

[astral kayak]

hes a major character but hes in hiding because he got framed for killing his adoptive father

and also for stealing a very important item

who is this person that lord shi met

also ho is Wen Wuhen

[wet gorge]

another lore question!! main quest related -- ||why did our mc faint at the first sight of yingying chained at the basement , all going red and him getting knocked at first ||

[astral kayak]

i like hhow the furnace is magically 100x taller during the msq

[steady leaf]

Probably Aureate Pavilion leader Ai

[steady leaf]

Probably due to the spund of the life coins or something

[steady leaf]

If you look down from the furnace it was like google maps at night🤣

[astral kayak]

@mellow horizon

evil bot

[pale prawn]

Id faint too if i also see my wife locked up like that

[wet gorge]

fair point

[clear adder]

slight note that the first character should be 燕 - 燕云十六声

[pale prawn]

Can we still see the npcs we meet in this game after the main story and quests?

[normal dragon]

going back to blissful retreat after the main quest hurts my kokoro.

[mellow horizon]

hm what?

did i miss something

[valid jolt]

fastest way to stack gold is what after doing everything

[astral kayak]

there was an scam bot

[mellow horizon]

oh ok

[astral kayak]

btw you got any idea who wen wuhue is supposedly a guy who Shi was following but idk if we ever saw him

Wen Wuhen*

[mellow horizon]

I don't remember the name

[pale prawn]

Ember of east i think

Nvm its wuque

I don't remember wen wuhen too lol

[astral kayak]

yeahh i thought so too but its somebody else

[warm urchin]

i think it’s someone involved with aunt han, i know in the one part of the storyline that’s the whole reason she’s looking for him

or her*. but everyone our character thought it was they weren’t them? some like all-knowing person

[vague shoal]

Wen Wuhen is ember of the east ( Wen Wuque ) rival in weiyang city

Him and ember of the east are the 2 treasurers in Weiyang city

[heavy nexus]

Why do we even fight Tian Ying.

[pale prawn]

Don't worry he's just toying with us

[vague shoal]

Shi was like his advisor that helped him won the power struggle against ember of the east

[heavy nexus]

I know, I got the ending of that area. He took on a new identity, but I still have no clue as to why we had to fight him to begin with.

[pale prawn]

Oh no wonder ember of the east got kicked out of weiyang

[vague shoal]

He just wanted an excuse to fake his death and test us at the same time lol

[heavy nexus]

Ehh.

I see.

[hushed ferry]

GIB back ruby ;_;

[normal dragon]

we don't have a body yet so she might come back.

[remote comet]

so i just finished kaifeng bro wtf is weiyang? and what is going on there?

[proud talon]

why so slow

[old shore]

he was a real emperor?

[old shore]

also the way he was ||preaching about paper money instead of copper coins too makes me think he was an emperor||

[lime sleet]

So uh u guys think it's gonna take years of patches to eventually meet uncle jiang and aunt han ? 😭

[old shore]

however long it took for luffy to find the one piece 🤣

[lime sleet]

Also the mysterious senior that appeared in dream quest , who was that ?

[crystal lion]

Spoiler alert
Roger swallowed it

[pliant steppe]

aww can't attach pics here, but can at other channels 🥲

[knotty trail]

Where the hell is aunt han even in the beginning? One moment she is there and then when the attack happens she is gone. Doesnt make sense

[fallen stump]

He’s THE founding emperor of Song

[snow gulch]

maybe her brothe took her, the woman who looks like her

[snow gulch]

wait, really????? why tf he is hiding and doing nothing???

he should at least give us some gold

[fallen stump]

He’s pretending to be a commoner so that he gets to see how the people actually lived, the impact of his policies, etc. there was no internet back then so a lot of emperors are out of touch with reality

[snow gulch]

makes sense, but still he should stoped that fat guy

[fallen stump]

I’m gonna make a whole video about it, hopefully this week. But let me finish my video on Kaifeng main story first lol

[snow gulch]

send the link when you do

[fallen stump]

It would give away his identity I guess

[fallen stump]

Will do!

[snow gulch]

and his brother???

i didn't get it if he really was evil or the blonde was evil

[jaunty coyote]

Pretty sure he’s using us ||to stop lord shi because he’s and administrator and a general but not necessarily a martial artist. Man stepped in at the end to do something tho ||

[fallen stump]

Oh the emperor is most definitely a very capable martial artist

[crystal lion]

You could be right
What martial artist throws chicken

[fallen stump]

He trains at Shaolin temple when he was young and personally led many successful battles

[junior osprey]

man the granny story is so emotional like every cutscene

[surreal fox]

song dynasty needed to take the tang coins away from the people, which causes them to suffer since its their means to live. there's a lack of song coins cause it was made from copper, which is harder to manufacture and obtain. and this was also around the time period song was gonna get into a war with southern tang, so they wanted to wrap the war up quickly before they focused on the people

[snow gulch]

maybe i'm dumb bc i was thought that all emperors know how to fight

[surreal fox]

eventually the currency crisis leads song to make paper currency

[jaunty coyote]

Big Zhao and his brother the prefect came up with the idea to use song coins only to prevent inflation with tang coins (also to show we are in a new dynasty now). However there is an internal rat at the foundry (lord shi) who is hoarding song coins, and between the hoarding and the large about of song coins going to the war effort to reunite china there isn’t enough coins to go around the city, hence why people are starving.

Yingying is the disgraced ember of the east and she is just fighting lord shi partly for personal reasons. And the dao lord wants the best for her people but she is more innocent and doesn’t understand that she can’t just use tang coins.

[snow gulch]

makes sense and why the dramas i been seen has paper

dao lord is the best

i cant blame them

[jaunty coyote]

Yeah poor baby girls doesn’t understand inflation 🥺 she’s a baby

[snow gulch]

i love little shou

she remind of rudy

did you guys already did her quest????

[lusty idol]

I love the triplets, but is it only me or did Little Fu kinda take a step back when the other two sisters were introduced? It feels like Little Fu barely talks

[jaunty coyote]

He knew? Ish Like he was a general.

But generally jianghu and court politics shouldn’t mix so idk if he is a fighter on the jianghu lvl

[snow gulch]

she talks more than little lu when we are trying to rescue ling

[snow gulch]

i dunno, just assume that he knew

[jaunty coyote]

Ngl the paper money thing kinda irked me. They weren’t introduced irl until a hundred years later and immediately led to massive inflation the type that Zhao was trying to prevent

[surreal fox]

tbf it isn't really in game either, they're still using coins

[jaunty coyote]

Wait I thought he was starting it because he was waving it around in front of the kids. Man straight up lying to children then 😂

[surreal fox]

i could be wrong, i forgot what happened in that bit of the cutscene already

[torn solar]

they gave them back normal money in exchange for the old money

if they started using paper money straight away they shouldve gave them paper money

[jaunty coyote]

The government gave back song coins since shi isn’t hoarding it anymore. But then we cut to Zhao waving paper money in front of some kids like ‘the real treasure basin is the peoples trust in government, even paper can be money if people trust it’

[snow gulch]

he said that maybe in the future paper can be money but for now it cant be

[jaunty coyote]

Which was confusing tho I appreciate Zhao’s grind in planting his own propaganda

[snow gulch]

or misread????

[jaunty coyote]

I’ll rewatch the cutscene but he definitely had a sheet of very paper money looking paper

[snow gulch]

okk

[torn solar]

btw

[mellow horizon]

the goat

Truly the same person

[snow gulch]

god, they did everyone more beautiful than irl

[regal linden]

So is this lore based off of real Chinese Myths? I know nothing of the back story of the game.

[coral ocean]

any idea when they'll release the new chapters?

[snow gulch]

history of the 5 or 4 dynasty

[jaunty coyote]

It’s based off Chinese history transitioning off the five dynasty ten kingdoms period into the unified song dynasty

[regal linden]

Interesting, ok cool.

[jaunty coyote]

Water lady’s been busy doing plastic surgeries. It’s like Hollywood out here

[snow gulch]

makes senses now that she is missing

that woman is make seriously money

[jaunty coyote]

Her clinic waitlist is 3 years long 😂

[snow gulch]

lol

hope she give us allowance when find her

[jaunty coyote]

Aunty please give us money for white hair 🥺

[junior osprey]

WHAT IS this place

[lusty idol]

Happened to me a few hours ago aswell!!! Its so sad 🥺

[junior osprey]

what is sad i was fighting yi dao world boss

[lusty idol]

The story line there is sad

[junior osprey]

oh yeah i think so because we're seeing the death maybe i'll see ruby too , hope so

[flint crag]

I have a lore question. At the end of the furnace mission, there's a government official who walks out to the balcony to stop the fight.

Who exactly was he again?

[junior osprey]

just completed it and why did the devs have to us like that it's just sad

[junior osprey]

it's 99% big zhao

[surreal fox]

||Big Zhao, or rather Emperor Taizu of Song. Otherwise known as Zhao Kuangyin||

[woven fjord]

I found some mysterious workshop with drawings of one of the swords and the mirage boat I think. Anyone else find stuff like this?

[junior osprey]

you didn't have to spoil that much just big zhao could've been enough lol

[flint crag]

So Big Zhao, that oaf?

[junior osprey]

but i did know it just from his outfit it's the common imperial fit

i knew he'd be some big shot

[slim timber]

guys does killer blade really die against the witch

[patent cloud]

||ruby cant be dead and yi dao body is not seen. I cant prove it but i know they alive. Source: Trust me bro ||

[leaden stone]

anyone else has performance and framerate problems on ps5 since the patch? like enemies get really bad framerate in kaifeng

[astral kayak]

@mellow horizon what do you think of my image btw

[mellow horizon]

u forgot the blue flowers

and it's almost perfect

I need at least 1 connection to Li

[astral kayak]

i need to add the fact that he need his blind girlfriend to bail him out on multiple occasions

[sudden valve]

Yes

[mellow horizon]

Or that he is the typical DHL-Guy who always arrives too late

connected to the fact that he was too late to visit her

[prisma lichen]

/

[steady leaf]

still can't quite believe we are 16

[night pagoda]

is there any new tank weapons in chinese servers?

[reef topaz]

no

[dire acorn]

inaccurate, he has many feats and is more relevant than the MC in Qinghe, all the legacy stories are about him

[tardy river]

Can someone explain how to claim rewards from multi-player fireworks show. I showed up last 20min, didn't get anything

[mint spade]

I sometimes take a look at the max age slider characters with long flowing beards and go...

"Damn losing our paimon really aged the MC"

[mental ermine]

FYI, that colour of robes is exclusive to the ||emperor|| in chinese history 😂

[mental ermine]

How is he potential man when he's the main guy to scuttle the khitan - southern tang alliance 😭

[flint crag]

OOOOOO it now makes sense

dude the historical context is insane

who is the purple guy again?

[mental ermine]

||His lil bro||

It was mentioned in main quest but i'll be safe and spoiler it 😂

Context, purple guy is the kaifeng prefect as well if you missed

[flint crag]

ngl, i went through some parts of kaifeng cutscenes pretty quickly without appreciating it

it was until playing the golden leaf quest that made me stop the skipping

but also, i thought it was normal for everyone to call eachtoher brother, not in the literal familial sense

i didnt think they were actually bros

[mental ermine]

Yeah the way it goes I can imagine people could see it that way

It just happened they really were

And there's even more to it if you know the history

[remote comet]

Kind of confused if water lady/aunt Han can do the surgery to change faces ain’t that kinda the same ability as the with who can change her face? Or can only aunt Han changes others faces other than her own? What if she’s literally changed her face and we don’t even know that we met her already same goes for the with? Lore is crazy with this game ain’t gonna lie

[flint crag]

honeslty i really appreciate how people here can help bridge the culture and historical context gap

[dire acorn]

Water Lady/Aunt Han and Qian Ye are most likely related in some way, I think it's been theorized that Qian Ye is Han's sister who's assumed dead/missing
I can try find the exact thread I read this in since I dont quite remember the specifics, just that they're related closely

[remote comet]

Do you know if anyone has gone back and listened to the conversation when the witch first got to blissful retreat and talked to aunt Han before the attack? If I remember that cutscene correctly might be something important

[dire acorn]

I dont think there was a scene of the witch talking to Aunt Han? I dont remember one in my playthrough but then again important lore is very easy to miss, might've been tabbed out

[remote comet]

Yeah I remember one quest where we went to talk to aunt Han and the first time we talk to the Witch we didn’t know it was her and then Aunt Han interrupted and told us to leave? Early in the story. But anyway you’re right about them being related bc I also saw on a thread here that they both stem from the Acurate pavilion too

[broken geyser]

can someone pls explain he ran and jiangs story w the general

[kindred mirage]

So was homie actually a god? Or is that just like a visual representation of his greed..?
It was not clear to me

[surreal fox]

It's the chinese god of wealth, Caishen that pops up. Think Lord Shi ended up bringing MC into some sort of mind realm where he was representing that. It's a bit unclear

[gritty grove]

Oh right that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense

[sleek rover]

I agree with WangYun, my interpretation is that similar to a lot of buddhist mythology, sometimes the power of perception spills through so to speak and grand images and effects can come out to represent a persons power and belief

In the genre there are some supernatural aspects going on, someone who is sufficently well cultivated can perform seemingly miraculous feats at times. Its kinda like with the Tiang Ying fight if you have done it where the dude can temporarily manifest huge constructs of sand or even a deity behind him

There is an underlying metaphysics that is kinda always implied here, hence the whole 'dream metaphors' being quite constant. Its a major theme of eastern philosophy that our realm is kinda partly influenced by perception

So you can kinda chalk it to extremely powerful wills manifesting temporarily, but temporarily being a keyword, he couldn't take on the form of the God of Wealth forever

[remote comet]

So is lord shi an actual person in real life, what he did and what actually happened to him real?

[surreal fox]

pretty sure him and yingying are fictional but I could be wrong

[dire acorn]

Is The Ember of East we met at the Revelry Hall Wen Wuque (Yingying) or Wen Wuhen?

[heady sigil]

Seconded. Wth was the box and how did it frame Jiang.

[tawdry sleet]

just finished the furnace quest. absolute cinema. had to pause to process at some parts bc this story hit so hard.

[grand arch]

didnt jiang kill void king

how did we find void king in gleaming abyss

[grand arch]

when is this didnt kaifeng story finish

[thorn kettle]

what is that black. water city

is it a real place ?

[dire acorn]

I believe Jiang was framed for killing his father, as for the box I'm not sure

[placid iris]

Yes. He's likely framed by the Aureate Pavilion perhaps due to him stealing the jade and maybe kidnapping the MC.

[placid iris]

Tian Ying is a major figure in Qinghe side stories. Like he did a lot of things though only in background since our story don't really intersect with him. Jiang Yan left us 3 years ago because he was asked to help Tian Ying.

[wicked crater]

Do the Sanxing Deities (Fu, Lu, and Shou) always get referenced in chinese media?

[placid iris]

He survived. We finally killed him though. As to how Void King survived, perhaps Li Zuo saved him and told him to guard Gleaming Abyss for failing to retrieve the jade.

[placid iris]

Not really? I mean this is the first time I heard of them despite me reading a ton of CN webnovels.

[wicked crater]

i loved the reference since there is a chinese band of triplets that are also called FuLuShouFloruitShow, it was the first time i learned of the deities

[grand arch]

and murong yuan is ded

[crisp mica]

is ruby my daughter? niece? cousin? sister? what/

[boreal hawk]

Just neighbor friend

[crisp mica]

ooh

[fallen stump]

Hi, if anyone's interested, I just made a lore video on Kaifeng main story
Happy to DM! title is called

Where Winds Meet Lore - Kaifeng Main Story Explained

[vague shoal]

@heady sigil #📖lore-chat message

[vague shoal]

Wen wuque

[jaunty coyote]

Started the veiled in malice quest…these kids are everywhere

No child in the jianghu does what they are told huh

[raven rapids]

Part of the plot involves multiple people mistaking iron coins for bronze coins
How do you even do that? One's green and the other's orange to black, not to mention the difference in weight and striking

[orchid sand]

Guys
When's the next MQ dropping?

After kaifeng || God of avarice|| ?

[orchid sand]

Probably after an update?

[placid iris]

My favorite kid is that one who helps us break into their house and steal their stuff lmao.

[placid iris]

In 3 months? There's a video explaining it on YouTube, i'll put the link on #📺media

[orchid sand]

Okay
Thanks 👍🏼

[raven rapids]

Oh so the closed area isn't opening up with the level increase tomorrow?

[vague shoal]

they arent mistaking, people have to use iron coins because there the supply of copper coins isnt enough

[placid iris]

No. That one will probably open after level breakthrough. But that region won't trigger a new main quest. The next main quest area is Hexi.

[pseudo dust]

wonderful

[raven rapids]

In the early quest a merchant nearly gets fooled by a bucket of iron coins, thinking them to be bronze
A group of thugs get hauled away by guards for having a bucket of (stolen) iron coins, again they thought they were bronze.

[vague shoal]

The thugs didnt look inside the pouch when they stole it

[raven rapids]

Ironically, according to Wikipedia the Song dynasty were the biggest issuer of iron coinage in China's history

[solid briar]

finished act 2 and had no idea whats going on half the time even though I read every dialogue lmao

[raven rapids]

I'm stabbing people. That's what's going on.

[solid briar]

avatar accurate

[raven rapids]

If people don't want to be stabbed they should stop hassling me with things like 'laws' and 'permits'

[vague shoal]

Which part confuses u the most? I can try to explain

[solid briar]

lots of things, but mainly Im confused why ember of east had to follow order of that high position guy (the one that make us eat poison pill)
and why he made her put on the treasure basin act at the beginning? Im guessing its because they want an excuse to produce more untracable Tang coin, but I dont understand why they need Ember of East help

[vague shoal]

The purple guy is the prefect of kaifeng, and irl he's the brother of the emperor of song so it's normal that the ember of the east has a lower position than him. And the plan to put on an act with the treasure basin doesnt have anything to do with the goverment at all

[mental ermine]

Btw something i missed, anyone could help me understand what weiyangcheng is about?

[placid iris]

That plan is fully Yingying idea to pressure the government into giving out money to the poor people.

As for the Tang coins that's the Southern Tang's plan to destabilize the economy of Song.

[placid iris]

Weiyang is the city where Yingying comes from.

[vague shoal]

The treausre basin is also sthing to give the people's hope that one day the goverment will use it to supply the market with legal currency to get out of the tang coins situation

[solid briar]

ah now every thing makes sense thanks
another question; who actually is lord shi? why he transform and has super power like that lol

[vague shoal]

Lord Shi is the lord of Avarice, a political enemy of the ember of the east in Weiyang city, and the whole godzilla fight is probably an illusion cause by the gold tree

||Guy's real name is shi zen and he's in cahoots with the aucreate pavillion pretending to be the real lord shi. Dude's main goal is to make the tang coins situation worse.||

[acoustic bridge]

So i got to the point where Killerblade and Aunt Han meet again, and im back at Blissful retreat. Been a couple days ignoring the msq and just messing around and now im fighting some dude named Tian Ying. I barely kept up with how i got here, i just know these 2 halfs of jade were dropped, some guy who wanted to make his sword glow is dead, and i entered some temple. Did i miss some context from the msq or is this its own thing?

[vague shoal]

the side story tian ying is its own thing yeah

[acoustic bridge]

there a tldr about this? i tried reading throughout the questline, but i couldnt keep up with names, timelines, intentions, etc

[vague shoal]

#📖lore-chat message tian ying lore

[solid briar]

thank you 🙏 tbh Im really not used to Chinese names in English, I didnt even know that Song and Tang are names of dynasty at first (they are written a bit differently in my language)

confused me a hell lot

[acoustic bridge]

ty

[vague shoal]

Yeah they made it for chinese players who already knew history. You can read about Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period, the time line that the game is set in. The context will help alot

[west shard]

Hello, I need help. I am looking for a fragment of waves for the tales and echoes of Qinghe. In the dark wave, it is the very last one. I need four, and I am missing the first one. It tells the story of Tian Ying.

[acoustic bridge]

goddam. that hurt. but im glad i had the right idea about the Moon Goddess, i just didnt know the full context

[vague shoal]

Moon goddess was a tragic story too

[acoustic bridge]

yea i got sidetracked reading the reddit post on her lore too

3 days vs 3 years Dx

[vague shoal]

Her side quest was one of the best for me, love the bgm there too

[acoustic bridge]

im a bit confused on the ultimate goal of his mission tho. To retake the land? For who? And under whose command at this point

I know he's driven by his ideals for the most part

[vague shoal]

Back to the hands of the Han people

[acoustic bridge]

Was there more about the 16 warriors?

[vague shoal]

The Yanyun region held by the Khitan was a really important strategic location and the emperors of Song all tried to retake it

So far we only know like 3 4 of them, not all

[acoustic bridge]

Is his brother still around as another one of those warriors?

[vague shoal]

I havent seen tian qi, but even tian ying isnt oneof the 16. He was a student of one of them iirc

[sudden valve]

Tian ying is the 17th in the Hanging Blade

There are other 16 heros we dont know

[lusty pebble]

So, Sun Buqi is responsible for making the dawn to dusk poison and basically the existence of sleeping puppets and he was also the one who experimented on Liu?

[vague shoal]

You mean Sun Buqi? Yeah he experimented on Liu

[lusty pebble]

buqi thats the one

was the poison a naturally recurring thing or was it manmade?

[raven rapids]

I don't really understand the idea behind Sleeping Puppets yet. They seem kinda mid as a superweapon.

[raven rapids]

The fungus that secretes it was engineered and enhanced, presumably from a natural species as a base

[vague shoal]

They are the products of immortality experiment

[lusty pebble]

i mean yk, zombies which are equally fast as a trained martial artist and has self destruct. Get a whole mob of em and unleash on a town. ig theres just so much u can do with them

[raven rapids]

.

[lusty pebble]

ohh icc

[raven rapids]

They seem to be made from martial artists though

[lone schooner]

finished act 2 and had part confuses A group of thugs get hauled away by guards for having a bucket of (stolen) iron coins, again they thought they were bronze.

[vague shoal]

They didnt check what was inside the pouch iirc

Or tbf people still use tang coins secretly, and they were unlucky to get caught

[lusty pebble]

ik ik which makes them even deadlier
its a diff story if for example u take a martial artist and puppify him but he turns braindead and forget any of his physical attributes

its like that one meme of "ud be much scared of sharks if it knew martial arts"

[raven rapids]

Is there any particular reason I'm murdering all these Imperial Soldiers on the second map?

[dusky lily]

hello, in the last few years i start reading lore in games i play.. before i was a hard skip button presser,
How is the lore in WWM ?

[vague shoal]

Good, but hard to follow cause you have to do side quests and gather clues to piece story together

[dusky lily]

oh, understood, but i will do every side quest i can for sure, i go alone in this game. so no guild pressure :))

[lone schooner]

how to increase Celestial Seize stealing chance?
Breakthrough lvl 4 doenst increase the chance.

[placid iris]

I don't think you can. I usually just try a few times.

[placid iris]

Knowledge of Chinese history, particularly the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period and the founding of the Song Dynasty, will be very helpful.

WWM story is based on real CN history so the devs don't really bother to expand on much regarding the background since they mostly assume you already know.

If you really care about the lore, you definitely want to complete the Dark Surge.

[dusky lily]

oh, thats a bit of long history.. i will try understand ingame what i can. Thank you.

[placid iris]

I can dm you a youtube video explaining the story. it's made by a CN player. @dusky lily

[mental ermine]

Is there any significance to this place politically? I kept thinking it was an organization

[placid iris]

Don't know but we'll probably visit it in the future

[dire acorn]

Weiyang Palace was originally the main palace of the Han dynasty in Chang’an, which got changed to Kaifeng during the Song dynasty. Weiyang/Chang'an is in terms of in game timeline not under the control of Song, and was lost during the various regimes in the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period before the events of the main story by the remnant Tangs and warlords

[mental ermine]

I'm pretty sure the 5 dynasties had chang'an in their territory no?

唐代以后，长安就不再是中原王朝的都城。后梁设大安府，后唐设京兆府，北宋设京兆府，金代设京兆府。

[dire acorn]

No, they didn't. Chang'an was in political decline, and the five dynasties competed after more politically powerful points. The 5 dynasties occured between the Tang and Song dynasty period, and by then, Chang'an was already no longer the capital

[mental ermine]

No longer the capital, but still in their territory

[dire acorn]

whos territory exactly? it wasnt under any major emperor, and was outside of the Song emperors territory which was concentrated in central and south China after losing the North to the Khitan Liao

[mental ermine]

Literally here, all 5 dynasties controlled changan directly

[dire acorn]

Well, controlling ruins isnt exactly something each dynasty would be concerned about. They were focused on taking over parts of Northern China, and the "control" over Chang'an was just in name

They pretty much abandoned the place

Not to mention geographically Chang'an is very far away from the contested Northern regions, so theres really no point for the WWM storyline to take us there when theres far more interesting places for development

[mental ermine]

Maybe you forgot about Western Xia 😂

But whatever i'm just trying to figure out what weiyang cheng is referring to, and you linking a palace mostly abandoned for 800+ years isnt strong enough proof for me

[vague shoal]

All we know is it's probably a really rich city

[dire acorn]

The Western Xia controlled the West and were a whole new ethnic group that didnt speak Mandarin at all. They werent interested in the rest of the conflicts for the Northern frontier...they wanted the farmlands more

[mental ermine]

And if that's the case it wouldnt sound like that would be changan after the chaos of the late tang... economic center already shifted to the south and east

[dire acorn]

Weiyang Cheng was the city complex surrounding Weiyang palace, which was the main palace of the Han dynasty. Its no longer rich by the time the WWM main storyline takes place. "Cheng" refers to the Chang'an palace city area

[vague shoal]

But the game makes it sound like the people there are very rich and trade oriented

[dire acorn]

But yes it used to be very wealthy, they probably all left after it fell into ruin

This is the historically accurate version which does not include martial arts and superhumans. So in WWM, maybe Weiyang hasnt fallen into ruin, who knows

If you were rich, you'd probably use that wealth and get out of there before its taken from you

[mental ermine]

So, no proof, while I have never heard Han Chang'an referred to as weiyang cheng before

You could be right but we're not sure yet

[dire acorn]

Im Chinese...and all of this comes from actual historical records 😭
Weiyang specifically is the palace complex located inside Chang'an, now known as Xi'an
Weiyang Cheng is used to refer to the palace complex as a whole, while Weiyang palace is the palace itself
The game is historically accurate to a good extent actually, so I doubt they'd change something as major as this

[mental ermine]

汉长安
未央宫

[dire acorn]

Yes thats what I just said
"Weiyang gong" means Weiyang Palace. Gu gong is the forbidden palace. Gong means palace
Han Chang'an is just the Chang'an of the Han dynasty

The Han dynasty you mention there was the dynasty where Weiyang WAS the capital
The game is not set in the Han dynasty, its set after

[mental ermine]

🤦‍♂️

[dire acorn]

Typical westerner refusing to be educated.......

How do you disagree with history 😭

[mental ermine]

Okay buddy (me, ethnic chinese, literally visited Xian a few weeks ago, drove past the han ruins and walked daming palace) keep assuming

[dire acorn]

gee you'd be a bit of a letdown to your ethnic Chinese family then....don't even know your own history and refuse to believe the factual recount of events....

😔

and knowing Chinese families they wouldnt like that very much. Many have great national pride

[mental ermine]

宫 and 城 aren't exactly the same, and there's a chance the name was reused as something else, yet you assume it as 100% set in stone

[dire acorn]

未央城 - Weiyang Palace CITY. Cheng means city, still does
未央宫- Weiyang Palace itself. Gong means palace, still does

[mental ermine]

Cheng means city of course

[dire acorn]

I never said they were the same

I've been saying they're different

Weiyang Cheng includes Weiyang Gong

[mental ermine]

But i've never seen a source where chang an was called weiyang cheng. It could be called that way and it would make sense

[oak jay]

big zhao is such a sussy baka

[mental ermine]

But that's the point, i said you could be right but i dont think it's 100% that it's correct either

[dire acorn]

Chang'an is the WHOLE city, Weiyang City Palace is just the Palace and its surrounding microeconomy

[mental ermine]

It could be

[dire acorn]

Why not? Chang'an is a city, and Weiyang Cheng is the palace city inside of the Chang'an city
WWM is heavily adapted from actual Chinese history, I dont think theyd neglect this point

[mental ermine]

But what if some place else was called weiyang too?

Btw it's not very becoming of you bringing my family into this 😂

I've never insulted any part of you and yet you take it personally and make assumptions. Maybe i'm stubborn and dogmatic but it's not a reason to personally attack me

[dire acorn]

?? Like where? What else would Weiyang refer to if not the Weiyang palace?

[dire acorn]

Your right, I shouldnt have and thats my bad
Its just I dont really see the logic behind what your saying despite my explanations multiple times which probably got me a bit annoyed

[mental ermine]

To me it's the difference between a highly likely and good assumption vs a confirmed fact

[vague shoal]

||It seems that it's the weiyang of chang an because ember of the east and lord of avarice actually work for southern tang||

[mental ermine]

||southern tang has nothing to do with changan anymore though...||

[vague shoal]

yeah but it;s still capital of old tang

[mental ermine]

[vague shoal]

so there's that connection u know, and southern tang was still technically related to old tang

[mellow horizon]

Please use #📝game-suggestion

this channel is for lore

[flint sable]

A question to Chinese folks and just any expert on Wuxia.

Does WWM take it too far with supernatural/fantasy elements for the genre? Zombies, bosses pulling you into other planes/dimensions etc.
From the bits I read about the genre and few titles I've watched, WWM feels like getting out of boundaries.

[prime helm]

my appoglise

[mortal mesa]

So when is the new story coming out there’s no timer…how long do I have

[flint sable]

Until next major update

[foggy tiger]

Not really. Zombies existed in ancient China. So did immortals flying around

[mortal mesa]

Which is when? I’m going to try and do as much as I can in both zones

[foggy tiger]

They just died out after mobile phone networks killed them off. It's common knowledge

[vague shoal]

In season 2 i think, which is feb next year

[shy jolt]

Most are quite tame. Wuxia always had a little bit of supernatural themes and in WWM we can see a lot of them from Asian folklore or the sort too. Nothing too western being incorporated and even in-game texts give us some believable context. Like the zombies are literally diseased people etc. Like flowers or religion being a cause for bad things is pretty common.

In my opinion, it's really good. Nothing over the top

[flint sable]

Dream Puppets don't look alive

[shy jolt]

(Chinese ish here xD)

[shy jolt]

They're more dead people yeah

[pastel pier]

not too far, tho wuxia and xianxia was mostly used by some without knowing the difference, the theme is still within the bounds of wuxia

[shy jolt]

Mhm mhm

[jaunty coyote]

Considering how little being a necromancer or an immortal pays nowadays no wonder there aren’t any immortals or zombies around. People gotta eat

More seriously a lot of ‘bosses pulling you into other dimensions’ is MC hallucinating. Other than the sleeping daoist who might actually be legit. Wuxia likes to flirt with the supernatural but rarely cross the line of having actual immortals and gods that would put it into a xianxia.

[flint sable]

Ughh, Tian Ying and God of Avarice didn't look like Illusion much. But if you say so

[jaunty coyote]

||God of avarice I’m pretty sure is his money-coin illusion (the same that made us hallucinate ying ying captured)||

[surreal fox]

Tian Ying's other phases was definitely a mind realm.

[pastel pier]

welp it's just about the perspective.... to clearly think that it's within the borderline of wuxia and not exceeding xianxia is, the middle plane or think of it as mental realm

[jaunty coyote]

MC hallucinating left and right

Should get head checked out

[pastel pier]

some wuxia novels introduce xianxia background without literally including it on the story such as having background of 3 planes, the mortal, middle, and heavenly, whereas wuxia is in mortal, and xianxia is in heaven

most can travel to middle but not the heaven... can think of it that way

just like the buddhist monk, it's supernatural indeed but acceptable

[timber nebula]

Nah he just turn on his Spotify for the ambiance

[timber nebula]

They just sleeping

[jaunty coyote]

I think xianxia also needs an element of ‘the supernatural is natural’

[timber nebula]

Only thing western was probably the scythe

[jaunty coyote]

Like (almost) everyone is a spirit or a ghost or a god/immortal

[timber nebula]

From quanye west

[jaunty coyote]

Whereas wuxia if they have them is a one off or rumour

[pastel pier]

if it's xianxia, everything without sense is acceptable

[timber nebula]

Black myth xanxia where winds wuxia

If anything where winds is kinda low fantasy 🙂‍↕️

[jaunty coyote]

Out here splitting dimensions for fun

[pastel pier]

yep, esp if it's historical based with just a twist of wuxia

[timber nebula]

So uh those places we go to are they pocket realms like a small realm 💀 when we fight some bosses

[jaunty coyote]

It’s around the same lvl of fantasy as romance of the three kingdoms ngl. Maybe a little more

[shy jolt]

Still showing up in plenty of Asian literature and games haha

Not sure where it started being a popular aesthetic weapon, prolly anime

[timber nebula]

If that weapon becomes usable for players people will use it in a heart beat

[jaunty coyote]

We just hallucinate all the time. Getting hit in the head and blacking out every other day has not been good for us

[shy jolt]

MEEEE. IMAGINE THE PHOTOS THOUGHHH

[shy jolt]

AHAHAHA The Death tarot

[pastel pier]

wlp, if we said say, it'll be xianxia tho... lol

[shy jolt]

Grim Reaper copyright xD

[pastel pier]

either accept that it's mental realm

[jaunty coyote]

It’s wielded by the grim reaper historically / mythologically? Which is why their name is the reaper (they reap souls like wheat) but the goths got to it

[timber nebula]

In a wuxia world nah dawg just cause it's wuxia doesn't mean it can bend a little pocket realms can totes be a thing in wuxia world

[pastel pier]

pocket dimension, somes appear in wuxia but, it's sensitive topic, borderline...

[timber nebula]

Wuxia and xanxia is not really rigid in terms of vibes

Even DND do away with pocket dimensions even when the setting is low fantasy

[shy jolt]

We love goths

[flint sable]

This has a term in literature. I am trying to find it.

[pastel pier]

true, but i think we're still in the topic of talking about if the theme is out of bounds, welp i don't really care too much about it

[timber nebula]

🤝 it will never be out of bounds

Like how the dao lord is taller but they are now smoll. Answer is simple

[jaunty coyote]

Tbh I’m just kinda sad that the other connection of the grim reaper of a gardener has faded out. A lot of medieval painting of death pruning/tending to his garden. I have not seen a single anime boss fight with a watering can yet

[timber nebula]

Boss mechanic

[jaunty coyote]

Don’t they just stand on each others shoulders

[timber nebula]

no I mean the model is taller for the three little mouses

It's rlly just a game dev oversight with the model swap lmfao

You can summon em in a boss fight and see for urself they be tall xD

[steady leaf]

A lot of artwork is with Death also plucking grapes from a vine I think? Or am I misremembering things?

[flint sable]

#📖lore-chat message

Found. It's called magical realism.

[pastel pier]

hmmmm quite so, im not denying it, but just to add, most author use magical realism in urban/modern setting

[steady leaf]

Honestly in my opinion Ruby and those 3 are small for their age

[flint sable]

Magical realism is not about the setting. It's about the magical/supernatural being the norm.

[pastel pier]

yea yeah, i get what you mean, i just want to add, in terms of genre, since you said it's a literature term

[frigid ice]

I think most of the fight are pretty grounded and realistic and there are some super natural things really happened.
The mind realm are something like we're use our qi to clash with enemy qi and it's more like what MC feels than what really happening. like Tian Ying's Buddha stand are metaphor with how fast and how strong he punch but I think he can do those move in reallity too but the background are just his aura are working i guess?

[jaunty coyote]

Hmmm interesting. Where would we draw the line between magical realism and myth/epic then. Ie. is the Illiad and Odyssey magical realism

[timber nebula]

Where? Ez black myth wukong is myth/epic wwm is magical realism

Naruto is an epic jjk is magical realism

[pastel pier]

myth would be for wukong, if this game have a primary historical character as MC, it's either epic or odyssey, like 3 kingdoms

[steady leaf]

Surely not waist level of Guang small?

[timber nebula]

Truly

[tropic tusk]

yall know where do i get Codes for Face?