📖lore-chat

[timber nebula]

just a bunch of nonesense tattooed in his body "he did it for the vibes"

[opal wyvern]

my wife is laughing at me because im glued to this game xD im usually anti-china but this game is addicting

[timber nebula]

nah i love china, ancient china

🤝 my caio ni ma is fragrant

muscle man voice: you know what else is anti chinese NI MAMA(your mom) 👀

[opal wyvern]

i cant stand china, chinease folk, religion, language ect. but i love wulin, 80' hongkong movies and movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon xD

[timber nebula]

yet here you are in the jianghu

being fragrant and xhi'

[opal wyvern]

for me its still wulin/murim xD my relasionship with china is mostly based on their politics, but old time china is fun, still i cant stand the language, im more into korean/japanese language if we talk about asia, but yea, i have like 7 diffrent things from xiaomi so im guessing im a little bit hipocritical

but yea, cultivation, path of the martial artist and all that ancient folklore is fun

[autumn panther]

hm

[sleek rover]

im fragrant in the jianghu

[quartz talon]

AYO ||LORD SHI HATE TRAIN||

[astral kayak]

absolutely nnot even a semblance of a clue about what happened in the jinming pool quest

[night pagoda]

is big zhao the emperor?

[sleek rover]

basically you go down there with Uncle Tian to complete a promise and learn about Moon Deity (a very cool assassin) and how she was involved with an assassination on Khitan envoy and how she had what appears to be a romantic relationship of sorts but very distant with Tian Ying but she died

[astral kayak]

this is the moon goddess quest lol

im very aware of the entire tiang ying story jinming pool is the moron yuan quest where she blows up the ship

[sleek rover]

OH

[astral kayak]

like did she want to stop song from going to the south so she secretly was going to blow up the ship?

[sleek rover]

right right so

That chick was adopted by a general who worked against the old dynasty when in actuality she was the child of a general that was loyal to them, and she was a mohist (pacifist) who decided to make a ship to do the southern campaign

When she finds out the truth of her relationship and how the her adoptive father is basically a traitor to the old dynasty (the current one and the emperor is kinda corrupt) she decides to rig the ship to blow up, not fully comprehending that

1. This will still incite a war that hasn't fully started yet
2. It will put current Song in a very precarious situation and cause even more deaths

So when you go there she has a come to jesus moment where she realizes the total of her actions and mistakes but sees that she cannot just easily stop now that things have gotten this far, so she decides to fight you instead and let the ship blow up now

[astral kayak]

so was she planning on blowing up the ship during the southern campaign

[sleek rover]

Yeah she was

[astral kayak]

or did she just wanna kill me for some reason

[sleek rover]

She wouldn't have killed you if you didn't go down to the blow up place and left once you got the diagram like you were instructed, when the MC realizes through the general that is there that overall she intends to blow up the ship and create a huge disaster, the MC feels compelled to stop the plot

[astral kayak]

So basically, she finds out that her actual bloodline is to be loyal to whatever was before song and decides to rig the ship to explode with her dad in it

not very passive

[sleek rover]

For better or for worst the common people right now are aligned to Song

The Southern Campaign is a difficult situation, to understand further, there is some cultural context that when an Empire falls and another takes its place, there is a sense of legitimacy. So the everyday person, regardless of how smart or good the Emperor is, isn't inclined to treason, and treason is considered to be pretty ugly.

While no one really WANTS the southern campaign, because the current Emperor is the Emperor, it is considered a legitimate campaign, even if there are worries that it comes to the expense of the people, it should go through

That is where she made her first mistake, she as a mohist was committed to pacisifism and made a warship, betraying her principles and beliefs

the second mistake was that she was going to then commit major Treason and threaten the precarious peace that most people were sorta kinda just recovering from a major battle, which even if you disagree with the Southern Campaign, really is a terrible solution and ALSO betrays her principles

thats why she is so suicidal basically at the end of it, when it all comes to roost

[astral kayak]

ok

i somewhat get it

and only moron junior knew all this

[sleek rover]

yeah its really like, messy and a lot of this is not really revealed in the quest alone, if you unlock the Dark Surge stuff it explains it better

[astral kayak]

very cool thx

[tired flare]

spoiler for new quest

||Anyone knows where Ghost Maiden came from and why were there so many||?

[astral violet]

who is jiang wulang

like what impact does he have for the overall history of the game

and the first mission when you play as him i dont yet understand the whole context

[gilded prawn]

so is little fu ||the leader of the nine mortal ways since they're the dao lord?||im confused abt that

[surreal fox]

||Former orphan that General Wang Qing picked up alongside He Ran. Ended up having to kill Wang Qing when he's zombiefied, at the Battle of Zhongdu Bridge, after Wang Qing initially sent him away to save him. His actions kind of kickstart the story cause the Jade he stole is super important, with a lot of factions vying for it. And he's in hiding both from the people that think he betrayed Wang Qing, and the other groups that want the jade, after stealing it away from us, which leads the MC to start their journey.||

[quartz saddle]

This info is revealed in twisted destiny encounter

[surreal fox]

Pretty much

CH4 is when they talk about the jade and MC's origins some more

[quartz saddle]

Anyone wanna talk about the Miaoshan glaze ing?

He is everywhere

[astral violet]

how do you know there is only 3 ch ingame and the 2nd hasnt been fully unlocked

[astral violet]

thought you said methane there with CH4

[quartz saddle]

China server

[astral violet]

oh

[surreal fox]

it's a future chapter, that's available on cn, but there's nothing major there spoiled in that statement. global's only on ch2 atm

[astral violet]

ok

[slim grotto]

||did ruby and blade actually die?||

[vagrant ridge]

Ues

[surreal fox]

||Yes.||

[kindred mirage]

Who is the night asura I killed on top of the buddha statue

[fossil light]

How to find NPCs for the Culinary Successor quest to appear? Everyone says "Just eat all the foods" but where tf are the vendors?

[rotund pilot]

Can anyone thats played thru the whole story from CN tell me if Uncle Jiang is still alive? Where did Aunt Han end up?

Im EMOTIONALLY INVESTED

😭

[azure basin]

Why you asking for spoilers??, you can play and experience it . Better that wayy.. all I'm saying is. Chinese story writers always got you emotional

[low sonnet]

read some stuff about a subtle love triangle from the notes around Blissful Retreat. it actually explains a lot. is there a lot of that in this game?

[placid iris]

Jiang Yan is still alive though his presence in the story seem to be minimal so far. According to info I heard, Aunt Han will show up when we go to Mohist Hill.

[grand arch]

guys did murong yuan die

[surreal fox]

||yes||

[blissful stirrup]

For Chinese liquor aficionados what would you guess to be the closest thing to "Parting Tears" wine? I get the feeling it's not going to be anything like Maotai.

[molten halo]

after playing this game i rcta'd to chinese

[bold fjord]

on the item description for aged parting tears it says it’s a “handmade ten-year aged wine lightly scented with pear blossom.” so it’s probably a rice wine of some kind that’s cooled and aged in river water that gets pear blossom flavour (powder from pear blossom petals) added overtime (don’t take my word for it unless a CN player confirms i’m not mistaken)

[bold fjord]

oh the link is removed fair enough (dm me if you want the CN game clip where you discuss the recipe with an NPC)

but they say low temperature fermentation which probably means it’s fermented then soaked in river water

and then the pear blossom flowers which you can find around heaven’s pier would be what is used to flavour it

you can find wines flavoured with pair blossom made in the same way but it would be somewhat of a challenge depending where you are from

[steady leaf]

If this is the case why not try Peach blossom wine

[bold fjord]

that would probably be easier to find, but if that guy wanted to truly experience the closest thing to parting tears wine (which is what they asked)

it would have to be a pear blossom flavoured rice wine created with low-temp fermentation and flavoured over time like how it’s said to be made in the game

[steady leaf]

When it comes to pear blossom wine I cannot think of something

So making one yourself should be the way

[sudden drum]

Who is that weird dude that’s collecting fireflies from the beginning of the game?

[bold fjord]

if you’re in the states maybe moonstone asian pear sake

would get you a pretty close approximation

it’s a rice wine made with low temp fermentation and infused over time with pear

“What makes sake production unique is the multiple parallel fermentation process, where starch-to-sugar conversion happens simultaneously with sugar-to-alcohol fermentation. This complex process, combined with specialized ginjo yeasts and low-temperature fermentation, creates the delicate flavor profile. The natural pear infusion occurs after the base sake is complete, ensuring the fruit flavors complement rather than mask the sake's inherent qualities.”

[steady leaf]

Us, because we want the fireflies for a skill, but if it's oddities, you can come back to that place by going to the first wayfarer

Submit oddities for boosts

[bold fjord]

which is nearly identical to how the process to make the parting tears wine is described / implied to be between item descriptions and the dialogue your character has with some woman about how it’s produced in game

[rotund pilot]

thank god 😭

[steady leaf]

We can speculate he was the one who stole the jade pendant from us

[bold fjord]

where they mention specifically it’s done with low temp fermentation but likely in game would be done by aging the fermented rice wine in river or ocean water then adding the flavour over time, whereas this modern counterpart does the same thing but more modern and conventional in a vat or tank

[bold fjord]

but ultimately if you wanted to get something as close as possible and live in north america, Moonstone Asian Pear Ginjo Sake from SakéOne made in Oregon, USA would be your best choice

seneca wines has a really good (and lengthy) history and explanation of how the product is made on their site that if you read it, it’s very very similar with what we know about parting tears wine but just crafted with more modern techniques (like low temp fermentation in a temperature controlled tank rather than aging in barrels cooled by being submerged in a river or the ocean)

might have to pick some up now that was a fun question to figure out the answer for

[steady leaf]

Why does it seem like all dogs hate us and bark at us in this game

[sudden drum]

I think it’s because everyone pets the cats

But not the dawgs

[grand arch]

so she fall into fire?

[placid iris]

Okay, so here’s my current theory: ||the person the triplets call “Master” could be the Kaifeng prefect. This idea mainly comes from a scene I saw in the trailer where the protagonist points a sword at him. As for why he’d do that, it might be because the prefect is trying to root out a traitor within the Song, namely Lord Si. After all, they’ve had issues with the influx of Tang coins, which are supplied by Southern Tang, a nation they’re hostile toward. And Lord Si seems to be someone very greedy who doesn’t care much about loyalty. That’s why he invented the lie about the gold-making basin. Of course, the downside of this theory is that the prefect doesn’t seem to be informing the emperor about the plan, since the emperor appears unaware. Or maybe he’s just pretending. Anyway, it’s just a theory.||

[wary kestrel]

there's korean leegangju (pear and ginger rice wine). also some lower abv varieties of baijiu like kongfujiajiu have a very fruity sweet scent. both are on my shelf and taste good (plus very iconic bottling)

[bold fjord]

i saw those when looking but i’m pretty sure those are fermented and flavoured differently

i’m not sure how much the process impacts the final product anyways but assuming it does i’m pretty sure the pear ginjo sake would be the closest thing

cause it’s low temp fermented in tanks with the pear flavour added over time, so identical to how the process is described in game but just using more modern conventions to do so

i would send both the clip from in game where you discuss the process of making parting tears wine with an NPC and the write up about the product i recommended to be as close as possible but i can’t send links so

but they’re very very similar

[wary kestrel]

parting tears is literally baijiu bc it's set in china. sake tastes completely different

and sake goes bad within 2 years of production, baijiu can be stored for how long you want, which is how they have old vintages of parting tears in the cellars

[bold fjord]

the ginjo fermentation would get the closest

to how the parting tears is described in game to be made

[wary kestrel]

baijiu is literally also fermented first???

have you ever had baijiu?

[bold fjord]

yes and it’s the wrong strength, wrong grain character, and a much more aggressive flavour

[bold fjord]

LMAO

😭

[wary kestrel]

i literally told you you can do low abv baijiu like bruh

you're saying a liquor in a chinese game is made like japanese sake

[bold fjord]

find me a baijiu closer to a delicate rice wine + pear blossom / pear character done at low-temp fermentation

that is closer than a ginjo sake

[wary kestrel]

literally that's what kongfujiajiu tastes like

[jaunty coyote]

I mean wuxia people drink all the time so a light profile alcohol to them is probably like, 30 abv rather than their usual 50-60

[wary kestrel]

kongfujiajiu is 39% abv

and literally smells like pears

[bold fjord]

brother the base spirit is different entirely

[jaunty coyote]

The average wuxia protagonist chugs baijiu like its water and they are on hydrohomies

[bold fjord]

ginjo sake is still a rice wine

that’s a spirit

[wary kestrel]

ah, so you're following the english TL

[bold fjord]

i’m not gonna argue about how a wine is less close to a wine made the same way than a spirit made entirely different

[wary kestrel]

btw 'rice wine' is just a colloquial translation

[bold fjord]

lmao

[wary kestrel]

酒 is entirely just a catch-all for alcohol

[bold fjord]

they describe how it’s made though in game

in the cn game too

[wary kestrel]

yes i know i play it in CN

[bold fjord]

i can send you a clip from douyin

[steady leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-rhum-is-good-pirates-of-the-caribbean-johnny-depp-gif-13219281

[bold fjord]

it’s a low fermentation rice wine

not a spirit

huangjiu would be closer

[wary kestrel]

absolutely not

baijiu is also low temp fermentation.

also huangjiu tastes WILDLY different, it's a lot more soy sauce like and savoury

[bold fjord]

a distilled spirit like baijiu is still a completely different from a rice wine in profile

Kongfujiajiu sis literally a distilled spirit and would be nothing like how the parting tears wine is described in game

CN or localized the process were given is the same

so it being localized as rice wine was not them just taking a catch all and making it specific if you really wanna look at it that way

cause we also have a whole cut scene regardless where they discuss it being a low fermentation rice wine

ALSO even further

[bold fjord]

its not

[fathom falcon]

I have nothing important to contribute to this conversation; my intelligence has been severely outclassed. I would just like to point out that my uncle is like him and hes the conqueror of the jhangu

[bold fjord]

well specifically Kongfujiajiu isnt

Kongfujiajiu is made with the more traditional solid-state fermentation

which is not the same as submerged (or more generally, ow-temperature) fermentation

[bold fjord]

not for Kongfujiajiu

which uses solid-state fermentation

[past rose]

^ this is basically gift of the gab gameplay being shown live

[wary kestrel]

白酒酿造是一门复杂而精妙的技艺，其中低温发酵作为一种重要的酿造方式，有着独特的特点和优势。

从微生物的角度来看，低温环境为微生物的生长和代谢提供了特殊的条件。在低温下，微生物的生长速度相对缓慢，这使得它们有更充足的时间进行物质代谢和转化。例如，一些有益的微生物，如酵母菌、乳酸菌等，在低温环境中能够更稳定地发挥作用。酵母菌在低温下进行酒精发酵时，能够产生更多种类的香味物质前体，这些前体物质在后续的陈酿过程中会进一步转化为丰富的香气成分，赋予白酒独特的风味。乳酸菌则可以参与有机酸的合成，调节发酵环境的酸碱度，同时也对白酒的口感和风味产生重要影响。

[bold fjord]

and is also not even a wine bro its a distilled spirit

[wary kestrel]

stop harping on the wine jfc it's a translation thing, chinese doesn't make that distinction between the usage of 酒

[bold fjord]

yes its light-aroma (清香型) or low-degree浓香型 baijiu but thats like saying a small nuke is closer to a firework than a massive nuke

yes but we havbe a cutscene in the chinese and english version

where it is clearly specified as a low fermentation rice wine

which i said already

[wary kestrel]

which is STORED IN THE CELLARS

[bold fjord]

and you said you know cause you play CN

[past rose]

ngl @wary kestrel is cooking harder rn

[bold fjord]

yes but its a low fermentation rice wine, something like Kongfujiajiu is vastly too strong

Kongfujiajiu is light for baijiu but is still much much stronger than what parting tears would be and it also has a different grain profile, uses a different fermentation method, OH and is a COMPLETETLY DIFFERENT FORM OF ALCHOHOL

a SPIRIT is not going to be in proximity whatsoever to a light and aromatic rice wine

[jaunty coyote]

Is this what being an cheering background extra feels like

[bold fjord]

regardless of it being light and armoatic for a spirit

that doesnt mean the same thing

just cause they use the same adjectives doesnt make them the same when they exist in entirely different categories LMAO

thats crazy sophistry

anyway

[past rose]

oh yeah im loving how these dudes are literally doing gift of the gab adaptation into discord

[bold fjord]

aromatic for a spirit means light grain, some funk/ester, spirit heat it does NOT mean low-ABV and juicy/floral

[past rose]

honestly making my night rn

[wary kestrel]

saying that an in-game alcohol in a chinese game is closest to a japanese rice wine is the craziest part

[bold fjord]

a low ABV SPIRIT still BTFOs a rice wine

[wary kestrel]

IT'S NOT A WINE

[bold fjord]

well it uses the same method of fermentation, the same method of flavouring, is also a wine,

YES IT IS you cant say its just a misstranslation

when we also have an entire cutscene in both

[past rose]

its only game guys :(

[wary kestrel]

THEY DON'T TASTE REMOTELY SIMILAR

[bold fjord]

that says it IS a wine

A SPIRIT AND A WINE DONT TASTE REMOTELY SIMILIAR???@!?

WHAT

[jaunty coyote]

No no keep going this is great

[wary kestrel]

这是中国米酒你跟我说和日本清酒相似？？？？

[bold fjord]

the fact im even engaging after youre claiming its not a wine because its a mistranslation in the english localization is insane

[past rose]

who do u think is winning?

[still wadi]

baijiu is a spirit

[bold fjord]

YES

correct

[past rose]

我觉得他在说废话 :3

[still wadi]

the setting is ancient china, there is no sake then

[bold fjord]

also correct

read the original messages i sent

at the very start

[jaunty coyote]

I’m throwing my weight being the baijiu argument tbh. Since it is the go to for wuxia novels. Protags would be laughed out on their butt if they are just drinking rice wine

Nothing quite like ancient Chinese alcoholism

[bold fjord]

trying to find ANY accesible rice wine equiv made wiuth the same methods and flavouring

[polar fog]

没事他刚刚在build discussion 那边也在跟我吵一些很莫名其妙的东西

[past rose]

呵呵 :p

[bold fjord]

keep in mind its even silly to consider this discussion legitmate when youre argueing on the premise that it being a rice wine is a faulty localization despite an entire cutscene in both versions that outright says otherwise

which you yourself claimed to be aware of

[wary kestrel]

literally in chinese all it says is 酒

which is a generic word for alcohol of any kind

[bold fjord]

did you lie then when you said you were aware of the cutscene which goes over the entire process and outright says its a rice wine

or misunderstand what you were saying

[polar fog]

好怪的人

[past rose]

in his defense the game's localization is very poor :3

[bold fjord]

okay but that is fine for the name difference but doesnt say ANYTHING about the entire cutscene

that is not a victim of localization

you arent even reading anymore LMAO

[still wadi]

u can't based ur argument on a translated piece of media tho without looking at it source material and actual meaning it tries to convey

[bold fjord]

yes correct

[past rose]

can we pull up the cutscene rq

[bold fjord]

which is what im saying right now

[past rose]

im curious to see it now :p

[still wadi]

i cant be bothered to scroll up, but the beverage ur discussing a spirit, specifically baijiu

[polar fog]

有课代表总结一下他在吵啥么

[still wadi]

我也不知道

[bold fjord]

i know its a spirit man

thats my point

[still wadi]

so whats the whole discussion here about

[bold fjord]

LMAO

[polar fog]

他刚刚也在另一个频道跟我吵一些很莫名其妙的东西

[past rose]

哪里啊

[bold fjord]

a spirit is not a close approximation to a rice wine

[wary kestrel]

the fact that you can store it in a cellar upwards of 10 years indicates it's NOT a purely fermented wine

[bold fjord]

thats my point

[polar fog]

讨论装备的那边

[still wadi]

有时候人就是这样的，因为一些无关紧要的事吵

[wary kestrel]

literally parting tears cannot be close to a ginjo sake bc they have different flavour profiles and origins

[jaunty coyote]

Yeah but it’s funny so we keep cheering them on

[polar fog]

因为我跟人家说如果王太难 打单机可以用治疗扇+输出刀 但是联机就不行 然后他就一直鬼打墙说我没讲联机不能用两个不同属性的武器会让新手搞混

[wary kestrel]

you try keeping a ginjo sake for 10 years and see what you get

[bold fjord]

we know in game its not a spirit because we are given a full process in a cutscene which states it to be a low fermentation rice wine, so a closer approximation avaliable in markets now would be another rice wine made with the same fermentation and also the same methods of flavouring

[polar fog]

我就不懂他到底想干嘛

[still wadi]

source? genuinely asking cuz i cant remember

[bold fjord]

i just dont get how you seriously thing something with ~40 ABV and is a spirit would be a close approximation to a low fermentation rice wine flavoured with pear blossom

[wary kestrel]

they are ALL fermented with rice

[past rose]

让他们继续吵架吧，看他们不停的吵很好玩 :p

[polar fog]

就感觉他就只是为了打发时间故意找事

[still wadi]

你啥时候va一下这个

感觉能发油管上

[past rose]

🤣

[bold fjord]

yes except you recommended something that uses DIFFERENT fermentation, is an entirely different classification of alcohol, a wildly different rice grain profile, and is significantly stronger

[still wadi]

still no clue what this is about

[polar fog]

笑晕… 他越说我越不懂他在说什么

还在讲游戏吗

[wary kestrel]

some westerner insisting the closest you can get to an in-game chinese alcohol is japanese ginjo sake

[polar fog]

[past rose]

i THINK one guy is saying the process shown in a cutscene for sacred tears is sake

[still wadi]

不，这是在讲酿酒过程

[bold fjord]

whereas i reccomended something that uses THE SAME fermentation, is the same classification of alcohol, and is a much closer light and arometic pear blossom beverage

[past rose]

and the other one thinks thats an absurd claim :p

[bold fjord]

i didnt say it IS sake

at all

[prime peak]

他理解不到位

[bold fjord]

😭 why is no one even readingh what was said then trying to comment on it

thats not very helpful

[past rose]

isnt your argument basically "it walks and talks like a goose but it isnt a goose"?

[still wadi]

cuz its the internet

[polar fog]

你看 他都说 我们都不读

[bold fjord]

NO

[polar fog]

其实不读的是他

[past rose]

im js tryna understand is all

[bold fjord]

the original question was a user who wanted something similiar

avaliable on their market

[past rose]

bc its been at LEAST 20 minutes of this convo

[still wadi]

and where does the sake come in to part?

[bold fjord]

so i discussed valid alternatives which use similiar methods

[past rose]

and im not keeping up bc its 5 AM for me now :3

[bold fjord]

e.g. low fermentation rice wines with the same flavouring

[past rose]

see I think we all had a misunderstanding then u_u

can we all shake hands now :D?

[still wadi]

欸哥们，欧洲的吗，有空联机

[bold fjord]

alternatives which most closely aligned with the methods described in game

for how parting tears is made

then the other guy

recommended a spirit

which i argued would not be a close alternative

because spirits are nothing close to any rice wine

[past rose]

嗯，我是欧洲的，我也是老外 :p

假老外*

[still wadi]

yeah but how far can u trust the progress of it being made is true to what it actually taste like, what i mean with this is, can u trust and accept that a bunch of video game dev are 100% about destilling sprits?

[wary kestrel]

I DO KNOW that kongfujiajiu is 1) chinese 2) smooth and sweet 3) tastes/smells like pears

[still wadi]

我也是:p 加个好友吧，有空一起玩，第一次见到一个讲中文的欧洲人

[wary kestrel]

that is literally firsthand experience

[bold fjord]

its also a spirit

coughing baby vs nuclear bomb

[wary kestrel]

and you would go for a japanese sake that tastes different just bc they are supposedly similar in process?

[past rose]

我很久没说中文，probably very rusty, but sure :P

[bold fjord]

a distilled spirit is not closer than another rice wine with the same method of fermentation AND flavouring

[wary kestrel]

literally if he wants to taste what people in the game tastes kongfujiajiu beats any sake by a long shot

[bold fjord]

LMAO

[wary kestrel]

it literally has pear in it bozo

[past rose]

guys lets be nice u_u

[bold fjord]

~14–17% ABV vs 39–52%

[past rose]

:(((

[wary kestrel]

and you keep harping on the low temp fermentation like HELLO baijiu is also that???

[bold fjord]

do you know how different that is

no its not always and the one you mentioned specifically

uses solid state and not low temp

[wary kestrel]

BUT IT DOES EXIST

[still wadi]

i like how he conveniently ignored my argument

[bold fjord]

Kongfujiajiu doesnt use low temp thjough

[polar fog]

习惯就好

[past rose]

Ruffo be overthinking the game drink by analyzing the game's cutscenes
VS
Berls and his epic ez solution

[bold fjord]

what does this mean?

i ignored it because its not good faith to be like "well what if the devs lied???" when thats literally all we have to go off of cause they made the game

[past rose]

cant depend on gamedevs to be alcohol experts is his point :p

[still wadi]

how sure are u that the cutscene is acurate to distill a spirit like tear parting, when its fictional anyways, so theres no point in this discussion

[polar fog]

爆米花10块一包

[bold fjord]

its fictional but there are real alcohols made very similarly in process to that which is described in the game

[past rose]

i mean yeah but ur argument is basically "this game is literally china core but let me recommend something japanese"

[bold fjord]

and the user asked for something that would be close to that whiuch is described in the game

and that entirely was included in the original discussion

the entire question was someone looking for real life approximations of the fictional drink

[still wadi]

yes but my point is using the method and process in the game, how likely is it that you get tear parting

[bold fjord]

so your point is moot

well we know how its described to be made and there are real products made the same way

so that would make them candidates for being real life approximations

[wary kestrel]

and it's literally not going to taste like it's described in the game

[bold fjord]

which is what was asked for

[jaunty coyote]

guys do wine get distilled

[still wadi]

不是，这，是我说的有问题还是他理解的有问题

[wary kestrel]

他脑子有问题

[past rose]

🤣

[still wadi]

我他妈的意思这酿酒过程描述的是离人泪，但是你现实里实际操作是不是离人泪就不知道了

[jaunty coyote]

because there is distillation in parting tears for sure

[bold fjord]

all that exists is what is described in the game so to answer the original users question a possible (and logical) candidate would be something which is created as closely as possible to what is described

[jaunty coyote]

yall can run around heaven pier they have a whole operation going on there

[past rose]

can we all js raid the krusty krab for the krabby patty formula already

[wary kestrel]

it HAS to be distilled bc otherwise you can't keep 40 year old vintages or whatever, wine goes bad within a couple years

sake goes bad within 2 years of bottling

[bold fjord]

i never ever once said it was sake

[polar fog]

我就说了吧

[jaunty coyote]

no no im learning so much about wines and liquors tho

[bold fjord]

entirely misrepresentative of anything i actually said lol

keep strawmanning i guess

[polar fog]

跟他吵纯粹鬼打墙

手还酸

[past rose]

im gonna be honest bro you wrote too much and its confusing me so im just tryna understand u :p

[still wadi]

my point is, we cant be sure of what is described (the method of making it) is correct with the actual taste of the item (tear parting), cuz from what i gathered, correct me if im wrong, you're saying that process of making it is to make low percantage alcohols, while we know for a fact that tear parting is a high percentage alcohol beverage

[past rose]

which is why im asking stuff

[still wadi]

or atleast its similar enough to make low percentage alcohols

[past rose]

so ur saying "its not sake but the closest thing to it irl is sake"

am i getting this right

[bold fjord]

still not really no

[past rose]

GOD DAMMIT

WHY IS THIS CONVERSATION DENSER THAN A TWITTER ARGUMENT ABOUT POLITICS

[bold fjord]

i just said that one specific sake from one specific winery made in a very specifically similiar method and avaliable in NA market would be a possibly candidate for something similiar

that is all i said summarized

[still wadi]

i have uni in 5 hours, i should be asleep, and not get intangled with this pointless discussion

[bold fjord]

to answer a users question for possible similiar alternatives

it isnt even the only option i had given

[past rose]

can we find an alternative thats chinese and lasts for 10 years

chat is this possible

[past rose]

ooh 加油 :p

[bold fjord]

then i also argued that it would be a better candidate over something that is an entirely different form of alcohol in an entirely different category

[still wadi]

it is, there are literal baijiu bars with different flavours catered to younger audiences in china, so something similar to tear parting is actually possible

[jaunty coyote]

Study hard so you can game harder!

[wary kestrel]

yes

[past rose]

chat we've solved the issue, there ARE more cooler alternatives that dont have to reach other cultures ;o

[bold fjord]

but never once did i say it was sake or sake was the best option whatsoever at all but i can see why it was interpreted that way because i forgot about the militant reaction i shouldve expected given the audience lol

[bold fjord]

but this was what i said

[wary kestrel]

yeah, your audience being people who can't stand being whitesplained asian culture

[bold fjord]

i didnt even do that and you are also assuming im white

[still wadi]

well are u white xd

[bold fjord]

LMAO okay

[past rose]

i mean correct me if im wrong, u didnt say it was the best but u said it was better than anything that isnt in the sake category ;o

[bold fjord]

i dont need to validate my ethnicity to people who strawmanned an argument i never made and then got mad about it despite me never making the argument they claimed i did

[bold fjord]

no i didnt

i said it was better than something in the spirit category

thats not the same at all

[past rose]

gosh its so hard to understand your points 😭

or maybe im sleep deprived :3

[still wadi]

literally 2/3rd of us didnt even get mad

75% was confusion

[past rose]

I'm just having fun :3

[bold fjord]

1/3 joined half way thru and misrepresented my original point and then said they couldnt be bothered to actually go read it

when told they had misrepresented my original point as a result of well, not actually reading it?

[past rose]

i mean i just asked to get it clarified faster bc i wanna join in, sue me i guess :(

[bold fjord]

you could see why i would be defensive when you come half way through, put words in my mouth, then when called out say "well i dont want to read what your actual argument is anywaay!"

[bold fjord]

or is that lost on you entirely

[still wadi]

what is wrong with cant be bothered to scroll up when you coudlve just given a summary

like u just did after 20 minutes of me trying to understand your points

[bold fjord]

you should ask for a summaryu first then before just blindly engaging in whatever you thought i was saying

then crying about not having a summary after the fact

or does that not make sense either

[still wadi]

nobody is crying

i think its only you man

[bold fjord]

yeah the point is lost on you ig

nvm lol carry on twin

[still wadi]

having hard feeling on an social media platform is not good for you, go touch some grass man

[past rose]

guys lets chill u_u

[bold fjord]

its not that deep u chose to strawman instead of reading first or asking for a summary first

[past rose]

we all were just trying to understand eachother is all u_u

[bold fjord]

its not my responsibility to preemptively give you a summary before you strawman me

that simple

[still wadi]

i was being casual and not condenscending, trying to establish common ground and present different argument while u were getting passive aggressive, or is that lost on you too

[bold fjord]

by strawmanning???

a literal fallacy

yeah thats common ground for sure twin

[past rose]

i mean it kinda is if you wanna actually discuss clearly, plus since its discord ppl aint gonna be so serious about the etiquettes you have :p

[still wadi]

my first 3 sentences in this conversation were establishing the definition of what tear parting is, i never once accussed you of saying tear parting is a sake, i also litterally told u correct me if im wrong

[polar fog]

Popcorns anyone

[bold fjord]

i agree i can give a summary sure which i did btw im saying i cant give a summary before he decided to join in and put words in my mouth i didnt say cause he didnt want to go up and read first

[still wadi]

i understand if u get heated because someone else in the conversation but there no point to be so condenscending buddy boy

[past rose]

^ this, he aint wrong when he says ur being very mean @bold fjord u_u

i get u got mad with the other guy but why him u_u

[bold fjord]

💔

your first messages were telling me there is no sake

in ancient china

[still wadi]

telling you there is no sake in ancient china, as what it is defined by japanese standards

[bold fjord]

so this is a bald face lie

[wary kestrel]

LOL someone asked for IRL alternatives, i gave a chinese liquor that tastes close to what is described, you came in w ACKSHUALLY the closest would be pear ginjo sake according to the game details etc etc BUT baijiu literally 1) can be made w low temp fermentation 2) is chinese 3) can in fact taste like pears. and also parting tears HAS to be distilled bc sake can't keep for >2 years and someone else showed screenshots of distillation stills. you keep harping on the semantics of whatever the game describes but conveniently ignore how my IRL suggestion checks all the other boxes

[green wyvern]

Next you guys will use the force of the explosion to figure out the alcohol content

[past rose]

well he aint wrong when he said he was being casual about it, and he didnt think it'd be that deep tho, its not like he'd know you'd get so pressed u_u

[bold fjord]

you recommended a baijiu that DOES NOT USE LOW TEMP fermentation, is a different classification of alcoholic beverage that is DOUBLE the abv of wine, and also would have a much stronger ester and grainy flavour profile than a light and aromatic pear blossom wine EVER would

so no

[wary kestrel]

literally have you had kongfujiajiu??? bc i have and it DOES smell like light and aromatic pears

literally your argument is moot if you've never had a taste of it to judge IRL

[still wadi]

guys, lets end this here, no point in discussing in any civil manner with albert wesker with cat ears here

[wary kestrel]

i'm giving a rec for flavour profile

[past rose]

ok but like did you all taste what they got in game

no? exactly, i win.

[jaunty coyote]

As far as I understand, and ive been here from the start of this (mostly because i wanted to get some wine too), some dude asked for where to find something like parting tears, ruffo tried to analyze the information that was given in the game and concluded that it’s a cool made mild rice wine, and gave reasonable USA recommendations on where to get a mild rice wine. That being said, the cultural context makes it so that any clear wine not in cooking auto defaults in baijiu, but I don’t blame people who are new to wuxia for not knowing that.

On a favorable explanation to everyone, I think ruffo is trying to be nice finding rice wine but uh, wasn’t aware of the differences and touchiness of Chinese and Japanese alcohol culture.

I also think the translation is not the best by calling it a rice wine

[wary kestrel]

the thing is when someone asks for a rec they presumably WANT to know how it most likely tastes, literally if another product has a more similar production process but results in a wildly different flavour profile it will not be considered a better option???

[bold fjord]

somethnig with 40% ABV and is a spirit with grain ester would be a wildly different flavour profile

[wary kestrel]

literally have you HAD kongfujiajiu bc otherwise it's moot

[halcyon vapor]

[bold fjord]

light-aroma (清香型) and low-degree浓香型 for baijiu do not mean it is gonna be the same as a light-aroma rice wine

[past rose]

u_u

[bold fjord]

just cause the adjectives are the same doesnt make them the same when describing to entirely different categories

[still wadi]

then the point stands that tear parting is not a rice wine...?

[past rose]

that ain't ruffo's argument tho

[wary kestrel]

a sake's aroma is also not going to be like a chinese rice wine???

[still wadi]

i know but whats wrong with recommending kongfujiajiu even thought its not a rice wine

[halcyon vapor]

[past rose]

i genuinely have no idea

[bold fjord]

its made from sorghum or mixed grains and uses traditional solid-state fermentation, so kongfujiajiu flavour profile which would be light grain, some funk/ester and the presence of spirit heat would be no where close to a light aroma rice wine \

[past rose]

i wonder what ruffo will say next

[wary kestrel]

it has NO FUNK. you're going by wikipedia descriptions or whatever w no basis in reality and experience

[past rose]

is this you confirming you had kongfujiajiu then

[jaunty coyote]

I mean i am graciously assuming that everyone only know so much as the game gives us. Ruffo made his best recommendation based on what he knows about the process, Berps made their best recommendation based on irl experience.

[wary kestrel]

it's also a sweet low abv baijiu there's hardly any burn

[past rose]

what does abv stand for again? I'm not an alcohol guy :p

[bold fjord]

Kongfujiajiu having no noticeable funk for you does not mean it should now be widely considered by all to be a spirit with no ester grain in its flavour profile and a low abv baijiu is still gonna btfo the highest abv rice wine in 99% of instances

[wary kestrel]

alcohol by volume

[bold fjord]

what

[jaunty coyote]

It’s seems like this boils down to a ‘if it is recreated the same way but doesn’t taste the way it’s supposed to’ is it a better option than ‘it tastes the same as it’s supposed to but is made a different way’

[past rose]

that makes sense :D

[jaunty coyote]

More abv means you get drunk faster

[wary kestrel]

i literally used to be a restaurant critic AND i'm chinese AND i used to live in japan for half a decade i feel very qualified to say this

i covered mixology for 5 years tyvm

[past rose]

does that mean you had it before

[bold fjord]

light-aroma (清香型) still has some tropical ester / fermented grain in the profile

including Kongfujiajiu, even according to most critics

[wary kestrel]

so you NEVER had it

[past rose]

i think that means he never had it

[bold fjord]

correct

[still wadi]

man, i dont have enough cigarettes for this

[bold fjord]

but that doesnt mean its a spirit with no funk just cause this guy says so when every critic ive ever seen drink it says otherwise

[past rose]

im having SO MUCH FUN rn

[bold fjord]

a spirit with no ester grain flavour in the profile at all

[jaunty coyote]

I think they should take us out for drinks and you ink and I can decide

[bold fjord]

doesnt even make sense

if you did mixology for 4 years

[jaunty coyote]

We have no skin in the game

[past rose]

i'd be a great candidate ngl

[bold fjord]

you would know that

[still wadi]

tbf berps should pull out some actual statistics or whatever

[wary kestrel]

you can't taste much of it bc IT'S FLAVOURED W PEARS

[jaunty coyote]

Same I know nothing about alcohol

[bold fjord]

a spirit at 40% abv vs a rice wine at like 14

[jaunty coyote]

If it is sweet and taste like pears I’ll call it good

[bold fjord]

are not close

[slim orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[wary kestrel]

literally it's the mildest baijiu i've ever had

[still wadi]

i worked as a bartender for a year

[bold fjord]

at all

[past rose]

b-but guys i thought taste was a subjective thing

[still wadi]

bro u should sleep its 6

[bold fjord]

mildest baijiu doesnt mean its like a mild rice wine

nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[wary kestrel]

again IS IT A RICE WINE???

[past rose]

I'M not the one who has uni soon...

[ornate jetty]

a friend of mine living in North Korea wants to try something with the flavor of "Parting Tears." What would you recommend?

[bold fjord]

a mild nuke is still stronger than a strong landmine

[bold fjord]

😭

[past rose]

LMAO

[still wadi]

staying up late aint good for ur voice

[past rose]

i vape what's ur point

[still wadi]

ENTERS SOJU DISCUSSION

[bold fjord]

just cause both are mild and light aroma doesnt mean we can conlfate their flavour and profile because those adjectives are being used on two WILDLY different bodies of alchohol

which ive now said 3 times

[jaunty coyote]

@past rose are you a singer?

[wary kestrel]

leegangju* 韩国梨姜酒

[past rose]

i dabble

[still wadi]

VA apparantly

MAN i am so sleep deprived that i responded to the wrong message

[jaunty coyote]

Ooo va (yeah I should have known because of the discord tag)

[past rose]

and i still get moola from it even with my unhealthy lifestyle :3

[jaunty coyote]

What do you feel about the va work in game?

[still wadi]

PROZD ENTERS DISCUSSION

[past rose]

my guild says npc dialogues are most likely AI, so you can already guess my opinion on that

[past rose]

ew, screw that guy

[wary kestrel]

anyways 我是真的推荐孔府家酒，挺香醇清甜，可以试试如果买得到的话。还有竹叶青酒，放在鸡尾酒里很合适

[still wadi]

npc dialogues are indeed ai, only selected few arent

[mild topaz]

What’s wrong with ProZD 😭

[still wadi]

did i miss a scandal

alwyas thought him and his wife are pretty cute and dorky imo

[past rose]

cried abt how he only got asian roles in his VA gigs and that completely backfired iirc

[jaunty coyote]

Oof, that’s rough. I am an artist/designer myself so I totally get the hate. I hope that the company doesn’t mismanage the voices people upload for their characters too

[still wadi]

ehhh, i mean his latest work that i can remember is senshi from dungeon meshi

[jaunty coyote]

Can you get it in the states? I’ll get some for next years anniversary for this game

[past rose]

nvm, something abt "your race should match the role"

[still wadi]

oh

[past rose]

then he complained abt only getting asian roles

so basically hipocrisy

[still wadi]

yeaaah, that whole race should match role thing, i dont really agree, cuz a great example is Iroh from Avatar the last airbender

[wary kestrel]

yeah i googled kongfujiajiu america and it showed a couple links (sorry this server bans sharing links so i can't give it)

[past rose]

we should move to #💬martial-pavilion for this guys 🤓☝️

[still wadi]

when the original VA passed away (rip), older white gentleman replaced him, and did an amazing work

[still wadi]

slow mode too much there xd

[wary kestrel]

it's often translated as Confucius Family Liquor, Kong Fu Jia Jiu or Kong Fu Jia Chiew

[past rose]

is it that bad? damn

[past rose]

i wonder if i can get it in europe

[jaunty coyote]

thanks, I can't handle strong liquor tastes so I am always after something light and sweet but gets me drunk fast 😂

too old to be slamming vodka cranberrys now

[past rose]

i go for a weird mix of gin and ice tea, very strange but it works for me :p

[still wadi]

asian grocery

[wary kestrel]

btw i've only ever tried the standard bottling and not any of the other variants, it looks like this. it smells very florally sweet of pears and it's sweet on the palate, so you might have to watch out for consumption bc i finished half a bottle in 5 mins without realising LOL

[still wadi]

if ur in madrid, u should be able to

[past rose]

i definitely have that around my place

[still wadi]

what is ur opinion on 海之蓝 天之蓝 梦之蓝

[past rose]

did i ever mention where i lived? 👁️👁️

[jaunty coyote]

i have some asian groceries near me too, maybe I should get drunk and get the full wwm wuxia experience tomorrow

[still wadi]

sixth sense

[past rose]

what the actual hell dude xD

[still wadi]

i was in madrid last year or this year, remember a lot of asian people, wouldve made sense for u to speak chinese if u were in madrid in my mind

[past rose]

ehhh close enough

I'm not chinese nor fully asian

[still wadi]

also met some language professors

so i figured madrid might be my best bet

[past rose]

in SPAIN? 😭

foreign languages in this country is horrendous

[still wadi]

yeah a swedish guy who teaches english or swedish in madrid university

i thikn

[past rose]

dang

[wary kestrel]

i've never had that LOL, surprisingly baijiu isn't very easy to come by over here, i need to visit a 中国货专卖店。a lot of our 二锅头 绍兴 etc are for cooking. the ones specially for drinking that i've tried (and remember lmao) are 竹叶青酒，江小白，孔府家酒 and 贵州茅台

the last one is very expensive rocket fuel...

[past rose]

ok but what do u think of 冰红茶

💀

[wary kestrel]

那个是糖水吧

i think japan is king for bottled teas

[past rose]

thats the joke :p

[still wadi]

oh btw if u want good food in madrid, 碳烤居, its on c. de atocha, 12 ,centro

authenic chinese skewer place with affordable prices

[past rose]

nothing has beat 冰红茶 for me yet

[jaunty coyote]

冰红茶 is peak

[past rose]

would u like a wet kiss in the mouth

[wary kestrel]

have you tried this, it's my bottled tea GOAT for ice lemon tea

when i was living in japan i had a 3L weekly delivery subscription LOL

[still wadi]

and if ur into jazz, there are some nice jazz clubs, ive met one of the entertainment managers, the jungle jazz club on c. de jorge juan is nice, but cocktails overpriced af

[still wadi]

that is pretty good

i still prefer 冰红茶tho for some reason, something with the chemical sweetness and childhood nostalgia

[past rose]

I'm an indoors guy so maybe in the far future xP

[past rose]

dunno if i'd be able to find that around here

[still wadi]

go the china town, just dont get robbed there

[wary kestrel]

any japanese stores near you?

[past rose]

probs available at any weeb convention in my city tho

[past rose]

brother i live in the ghetto, im chilling

[still wadi]

i cant remember which part of madrid was the ghetoo anymore...

[past rose]

orcasitas, villaverde... xD

[wary kestrel]

oh btw if you want something sweet, low abv and chinese (but doesn't taste like parting tears), you can try looking for jiuniang 酒酿。

Chinese jiuniang 酒酿 is similar to Japanese amazake 甘酒 and Korean sikhye 식혜 in the sense that they are all partially fermented rice-based very low abv sweet beverages, but w a few key differences.

Jiuniang is made from glutinous rice, and the end product is often a lot more viscous than the other two. Commonly infused w sweet osmanthus and frequently used as a dessert called 酒酿丸子 (jiuniang w little balls) with the addition of little dumplings made from glutinous rice flour. Can have a sort of sour fermenty note depending on the type. Some regions serve jiuniang w poached or swirled (like egg drop soup style) eggs as a breakfast food (醪糟蛋).

Amazake is made from short grain rice and is served as a beverage (so thinner texture). Allegedly some traditional recipes call for grated ginger but personally I haven't run into it yet.

Sikhye is short grain rice fermented w the addition of malt so it's got a different flavour profile. Interestingly also sometimes marketed as dansul (단술) and gamju (감주 - 甘酒) which all mean sweet wine (like amazake).

[wary kestrel]

@jaunty coyote

[jaunty coyote]

thanks! will track them down.

[still wadi]

ah used to drive past there a lot since my stay was in sesena nuevo

[past rose]

lots of illegal stuff going on in this area recently, can't say what though since it's most likely against the times :3

[jaunty coyote]

oh! i've had jiuniang but only 酒酿丸子 as a kid, my family is shanghainese so it was like the go to meal 😅 I havent had the japanese or korean varient tho so I will keep a look out

[past rose]

(and rules)

[jaunty coyote]

I used to down like a huge pot of it for dessert

[still wadi]

heeeeey fellow 上海人

man now i miss 蟹黄小笼包

[wary kestrel]

ice cold jiuniang is the bomb LOL especially when it's hot and humid outside. i have a jiuniang subscription LMAO

i wanna eat 蟹黄面

[past rose]

I've been to 上海 in '19 for the summer but I used to live in 北京 for 6 yrs ;o

[still wadi]

酒酿丸子also good, i like the colors

[past rose]

Shanghai scares me ngl

[wary kestrel]

the haidilaos here have 酒酿丸子 at the dessert bar

[past rose]

how is it that the mcdonalds there didn't have anything that wasn't spicy

[still wadi]

i miss shanghai, so many wild adventures

[still wadi]

ur spanish, u can handle it

[past rose]

the science museum was my fav place 😔

[wary kestrel]

i've never been to shanghai but my girlfriend lived there for 10 years and she misses the food every day lol

[past rose]

my genes don't show much in that department xD

[jaunty coyote]

I am learning you really like subscriptions 😅 but yeah it is so so good, shanghai food overseas dont hit the same

[still wadi]

i hate living in europe when i know i pay 10 times less for the same thing in china

[wary kestrel]

LOL when i like something i tend to regularly buy it so subscriptions give me a discount

[past rose]

I think it's time for me to disappear, got to do some "errands"

[jaunty coyote]

oh shoot I was back around the same time! maybe we ran into each other on the street. I think I am headed back next year, can't want for the aunties to tell me I am too whitewashed again

[still wadi]

see ya later ink

[past rose]

enjoy the rest of your nostalgias xP

[still wadi]

atleast u speak chinese, some of us dont even speak chinese

[magic orbit]

is the dream world basically everyone who died?

[jaunty coyote]

wym???? you write chinese fine?

[past rose]

ooh damn >_>

[still wadi]

yeah, i didnt mean me lol

i know from friends that they get roasted so hard for not being able to speak mandarin xd

[past rose]

my Chinese is horrendous now, the Chinese kids in Spain were too shy to speak mandarin with me .—.

i blame them.

[still wadi]

this discord is the perfect place to practice then

[jaunty coyote]

my mom never taught me shanghainese so they roast me about that 😭 they can always roast you about something. I can do mandarin and cantonese with apparently a pretty decent accent tho. Can't write for anything

[wary kestrel]

LOL one of my friends translated 'plastic knife' as 纸袋刀 and i wanted to cry. another one got asked by a tourist 你是本地人吗 and she replied 不是，我是【我国】人

[past rose]

dear god.

[wary kestrel]

me: ???? were we in the same education system fr lmao

[still wadi]

my parents speak like 3 dialects i grew up very confused, juggling between them and eventually not learning any of them, only being able to understand like 66% of the time xd

shanghainese is my fav tho, it has like...such a slay tone

idk how to explain

[jaunty coyote]

as long as you can understand the game its all you need

[wary kestrel]

slay tone LOL

[polar fog]

那个怪人结束了吗

[wary kestrel]

走了

LOL my family speaks 5 but i only know 3

[polar fog]

[wary kestrel]

Hakka sounds like an alien language (sorry mum)

[still wadi]

shanghainese people talk a bit more high pitch? idk how to exlain it but in chinese its 嗲腔 i think

[wary kestrel]

这是为什么都说上海人很嗲吗 LOL

[past rose]

I'm probably the worst off out of everyone here, I'm a jack of all trades master of none for three languages, I feel like I dont have a native level on any of them anymore .—.

[polar fog]

Hakka is so hard

[still wadi]

lmaooo

他点了个爱心

[past rose]

啊啊啊啊他还在看啊

[polar fog]

脑子不知道被啥烧到了成天到晚就想找人吵架

[still wadi]

是很嗲啊

[wary kestrel]

LOL 他在慢慢的MTL我们说的话

[polar fog]

他应该在翻译

笑死

[still wadi]

一个上海大爷和一个东北大爷站在一边，肯定上海的更嗲

[still wadi]

有没有可能，这人其实也是中国人

[polar fog]

我最听不懂的是河南话

[past rose]

._.

[wary kestrel]

LOL

[polar fog]

我只知道 太中了

[still wadi]

whats the difference between hakka en hokkein

[polar fog]

这个词

[jaunty coyote]

really? ive always associated 嗲 with mando, but maybe its just because ive mostly heard it from my aunties and uncles haggling

[polar fog]

Very different

[wary kestrel]

they're completely different languages, mutually unintelligable

also hokkien is diaspora southern min

[still wadi]

hakka is 客家话right？

[wary kestrel]

在中国没有福建话只有闽南话

[still wadi]

闽南语呗

[still wadi]

they like to use a lot of 哎哟 and stuff i noticed

[polar fog]

What’s funny is that 台语闽南话 福建话 and 闽南话 sound similar but is completely different when spoken

[wary kestrel]

台湾的台语，华裔的福建话和中国的闽南话都有点不一样。

[jaunty coyote]

aight but who doesnt like a good aiyo 😅 I have that in my daily english vocab

[wary kestrel]

连新加坡和马来西亚的福建话都不一样

[polar fog]

有吧 不是有福建省嘛

[still wadi]

YEAH BUT ITS SO TYPICAL SHANGHAINESE IN MY MIND

[polar fog]

福建人 h f 不分XDD

[still wadi]

it gives a feeling of home to me xd

[wary kestrel]

福建有很多闽的语言，闽南，闽东 etc. they're all mutually unintelligable

[jaunty coyote]

cantonese say aiyo as well and cantonese is pretty rough 🥺

[still wadi]

i cant remember any stephen chow movies where they used aiyo the same way as a shanghainese person tho

[wary kestrel]

最大的两个，福州说的是闽东，泉州说的是闽南，都不一样。

[jaunty coyote]

tbf it might be because the canto side of the family picked it up from the shanghai side of the family for me

[still wadi]

那么问题来了，闽东和闽南在北京人耳里是不是差不多一样

[jaunty coyote]

its just so fun to say

[wary kestrel]

所谓的福建话都是说闽南的华人下南洋传承的

[still wadi]

tbf if u canto side is from hk then yes

[jaunty coyote]

oh! they are!

rick out here geoguessing everyone's origins 😭

[still wadi]

lots of shanghainese migrated to hk during the revolution

[wary kestrel]

那个我就不知道了，因为我会说新加坡福建话所以闽东对我来说是外星语，闽南是90%听得懂

[still wadi]

i am just great with details and somewhat knowledgeable lol

[still wadi]

那你知道为啥马拉西亚人讨厌新加坡人吗 这背后历史我有点好奇

[wary kestrel]

这个问题需要解释很久吧，i don't think this is the right channel LOL

[still wadi]

only reason why i guessed this is because of wong kar wai movies xd

[still wadi]

tbf we have been talking for 30 min about something unrelated to the lore of the game anyways xd

[jaunty coyote]

thats fair enough. I am a blend of shanghai, hk and guangzhou (family is from shanghai, parents moved south for work)

[still wadi]

i myself am a blend of shanghainese and wenzhounese, my mom speaks canto fluently but with an accent that people think shes from singapore lol

[wary kestrel]

ok LOL i guess the TLDR is Singapore and Malaya first joined together to form Malaysia (hence the +si) but we broke off after exactly one year due to differences in racial ideology (majority Malay-Muslim Malaysia has pro-Malay and sharia law policies but Chinese-led Singapore wanted English-based multireligious policies). We put a lot of effort into developing our economy and education/manpower, then overtook the region as one of the asian tigers while malaysia has a lot of corruption (now our currencies are 1:3, it was almost 1:1.5 when i grew up) so there's some jealousy at play. A lot of consequential culture wars like Malaysia claiming most of Singapore food/culture is theirs, bc Singapore is historically part of the Malay lands/kingdom.

[still wadi]

ah yeah, i think most of these i have gathered from memes and some malay movies

[wary kestrel]

but usually the hostility comes from Malaysian Malay Muslims due to aforementioned differences in racial policies. Malaysian Chinese usually want nothing but to become naturalised citizens here bc they're an oppressed race back home (and they also form the bulk of our service industries)

[still wadi]

one of my malay friends told me that singaporeans have a superiority complex over malaysians xd

[wary kestrel]

My mum is Malaysian Chinese and so i hear a lot of the racial discrimination shenanigans over there from that side of the family every time i go back

[still wadi]

have u seen the movie abang adik?

[wary kestrel]

honestly instead of SG vs MY it's more SG Chinese vs MY Malays LOL like it's a specific combination of these subgroups

[bold fjord]

unrelated cool fact theres a cool paper [Chen (2000)] about comparing tone sandhi in multiple dialects of Min Nan and also Min Dong to historical dialects rather than just to one another and if you look at the tone circle for both the Zhangzhou dialect and Xiamen dialect of Min Nan you wouldnt be able to easily tell how they are similar until you compare both to the tone circle of Middle Chinese from around ~600AD and find they both are very similiar variations of that historical tone circle, and then the tone sandhi for Min Dong is somehow even more complex and thats a big part of why its not mutually intelligible with Min Nan

[wary kestrel]

more racism than nationality-based hostility

[still wadi]

do you study asia studies or something, or is this just a hobby

[bold fjord]

cause Chen thought all the prior research comparing them just to one another was missing important data and then proved that correct 10 fold

my degree is linguistics

[still wadi]

genuine question

ah interesting

any specifics?

or just as a whole

[bold fjord]

theoretical ling mostly OT theory (phonology) and generative grammar (currently focused a lot on Carnie's work and X-Bar theory)

so phonology and syntax

[still wadi]

oh nice, im unfamiliar with carnie's work, even though ive think someone has told me about it in a conversation

[still wadi]

what are your thought on the scandinavian languages, sometimes i wonder why icelandic is so different to the other scandinavian countries

[bold fjord]

Icelandic and Norwegian are pretty similiar but Danish and Swedish are certainly a lot different

the best place to sorta stem an understanding as to why would be looking at the Indo-European Language Tree

Old Norse had two very different dialects that in the 9th cent. diverged into the more modern classifcations of the scandanavian languages we have today

(obv still changed over time from the 9th cent.)

but Icelandic, Faroese, and to an extent* Norwegian evolved from West Norse whereas Danish and Swedish from East Norse

both were subject to very different retentions and shifts from their original old norse ancenstor

in grammar and morphology so they became distinct once into east and west then further distinct in the 9th cent.

but if you're familiar enough with understanding how the changes occurred and the theories that exist for recreating how they likely might've been at a point where they were closer you can see how they still come from a common ancestor despite Icelandic and Faroese being so different now from the rest

[still wadi]

Interesting

[bold fjord]

a lot of phonological shifts are theorized to be universal to some degree so the shifts that occured to split them up so differently when reverse engineered still take us back to a same common ancestor if that makes sense?

like the shifts that occured that mutated old norse into east and west then further into the modern scandavian languages werent random but occur because of universal principles we can find in other languages around the world and if we apply what we know collectively about those shifts to this specific instance it shows they have the same ancestor in common despite now sounding so different just cause those shifts occured differently

[abstract crown]

While this discussion is indeed interesting (I like to read stuff about other cultures and languages), I don't think #📖lore-chat is the place for it, guys 👀

You can continue in #💬off-topic if you want

[placid cairn]

Hello chat

Oh mb

[gilded gale]

halo guys, when the mc went to the well in blissful retreat he found that aunt han xianyun was water lady, but in the underrealm there was a schyte boss is it her? or different person

[shrewd crest]

Guys who is the budda boss with mask

[gilded gale]

assasin tian ying

[shrewd crest]

What did he do

Why am i fighting him

[gilded gale]

i havent do that quest, it appear that hes disguised himself as a monk

[shrewd crest]

He is very fun boss

[gilded gale]

yea 3 phase, and can co-op

[feral spade]

||He assassinated the Khitans Envoy.|| ||He's also associated with Aurete Pavillion.||

He also ||made the disaster of Thousand Buddha their fault for not being faithful and he owes Yang family in Mercytown money but refuses to pay back.||

The fact that ||He was spared|| sucks!

[mellow horizon]

Tian Ying for Emperor

He is the goat

🐐

[mellow horizon]

Different person

She can use the face of someone else

[gilded gale]

oh kk, tq for answer

[timber nebula]

Bro is too fragrant

[gilded gale]

why that boss hide under the blisful retreat?

[feral spade]

||Qianye|| aka the ||Heartseeker|| soon to be ||Ruby's killer|| was essentially a second foreshadow. You can encounter her as early as ||Heaven's pier|| under the name ||Mysterious Patron|| just south outside of the village.

||She was essentially the bad premonition and also your character underwent a qi deviation reading all these manuals as such you saw the most terrifying immediate threat to your life.||

||You might've saw her 16 years ago before Uncle Jiang saved you, or she just seem so ominous.||

[tall moth]

i'm so broke

i've been stealing coins from NPCs now.

[timber nebula]

Water lady is not a boss she's actually one of the homies, puppet master too,

[feral spade]

She was never under it. She was in you.

||She was your heart demon. Then you fought her for real.||

[timber nebula]

Whole aurete plan has been in the works for years you fight em as uncle Jiang in intro

I see aureate pavillion I tell em ciao ni ma

[feral spade]

They're definitely the demonic sect.

[timber nebula]

I see em next to me in a car I'll go open their door lower their window gently just to tell em ciao ni ma

[rose igloo]

Playing "her legacy" (side quests) after chapter 1 is lowkey sad

[blazing violet]

i got lost in the story, where is aunt han when aureate pavilllion attacked heaven's pier

[blissful stirrup]

Thanks!

[tawny hull]

hahaha ciao ni ma

[vague shoal]

Probably the bad guys prevented her from saving the village, we dont know yet

[fossil ether]

I wish my dad can play this game haha he is fans of Jin Yong's novel and movies.

[balmy copper]

Can we still 100% exploration for blissful retreat after it gets destroyed??

[placid iris]

Idk but you can try visiting the dream world or maybe the multiplayer mode?

[timber nebula]

🤝

[steady leaf]

Some array formation if you do not know where to look can mislead those outside so that has a probability of being the reason, it could also mean that when we fought Qianye the Array formation weakened, unfortunately the swarm of Aureate Pavilion + Qianye was too much for us in the end

[ivory osprey]

Is WWM a wuxia or xianxia? It does have elements of xianxia though

[steady leaf]

A mix of both so far

[violet plover]

Ruby is not dead im sure auntie saved her

Trust me u.u

[halcyon vapor]

hi

[spiral maple]

I just did the quest for the Zhongdu bridge or what not, where you're talking to the headsmen, etc. Wtf was that? That was like totally incomprehensible as to what the hell was going on LOL. Can someone kind of explain that?

[vapid drum]

Trains

[winged isle]

I have so much trauma when ||Ruby died|| i thought that ||Little fu also dies||
Is it normal chat?

[thorny timber]

Greetings gamers, I'm a Chinese history noob. This game has opened up a universe to me that I wholeheartedly adore.

I was wondering if anyone has some good book recomendations regarding the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period, please? Preferably an abridged English translation would be ideal so I can get a brief understanding of the dynasties and their main characters etc

[spiral maple]

Not that far, but also don't really care. I'm not really emotionally invested in those characters.

[heady sigil]

Wait, who attacked the village, if not her?

[feral spade]

I didn't say she didn't.

I said ||She was your heart demon at first. Then you fight her for real.||

||You basically fought Qianye twice.||

[heady sigil]

How do I put text in spoiler?

[feral spade]

Do || on both ends.

[heady sigil]

||So, the one with faceless was Qingye, the Heart Demon. After fighting her there, she manifested and decided to destroy the village?||

[feral spade]

||The Faceless's true identities are revealed in Kaifeng.||

[heady sigil]

||I mean in that dungeon below the clinic. Where you have mysterious scroll.||

[feral spade]

||They aren't Qianye. You met Real Qianye when you served her wine. She said you have a pretty nose.|| ||You also can encounter her earlier with her named Mysterious Patron just outside Heaven's Pier.||

||But none of Faceless are Qianye. Their identities are a C2 spoiler.||

[heady sigil]

Yeah, I remember meeting her. This is complicated.

[vale dune]

But what happened to the real one then?

[feral spade]

Chapter 2 spoiler here: ||You learns that the Faceless are basically spies working for the Song Dynasty that practically have their entire life erased with sole intention to spy on Khitans. You know this because of 9 mortal way guy trying to prevent the book exchange.||

||Waterlady's book was the one single item that proves that Faceless once existed before their disguise.||

[heady sigil]

||Okay, so down there in that dungeon... Who do we fight after reading the scroll? I thought it was Qingye.||

[feral spade]

||It's is Qiangye. But she's our heart demon at that point.||

||How this happened is because your character read bunch of manuals with no time to properly digest the content, and thus caused a Qi deviation.||

||Your character passed out, and therefore found themselves in their mind realm where they must confront and beat the demon of their heart to survive or die of heart attack.||

||The demon of their heart happened to be Qiangye. Who then reveals to be the antagonist once she attacked our village. That fight was the foreshadow.||

||Our aunt, who's the Water Lady, was nowhere to save us until the very last moment.||

||Han took forever to save us tbf..||

[heady sigil]

So, we sorta manifested that demon to look like her?

[feral spade]

Yes.

[heady sigil]

OKAY. We're getting somewhere.

[feral spade]

Yeah it was both a foreshadow and because your character shouldn't be reading bunch of manuals like a buffoon.

[heady sigil]

XD True.

[little slate]

wheres wrath village again?

[heady sigil]

Okay, last thing, because my memory is fuzzy on that one... Why did the real antagonist attack?

[feral spade]

South west of blissful retreat.

[feral spade]

||We don't know. Maybe she wanted to wipe out everyone related to Chu guy.||

||Or maybe.. she wanted to kill you.||

[heady sigil]

||Chu was the uncle, husband to Han?||

[feral spade]

||Jiang was the uncle. Chu never married Han.||

||Chu was the guy Han might've loved but he ditched her to go die in a ditch.||

||Typical Jianghu life yaknow||

[heady sigil]

Yeah.

Well, ||First meeting with Qiangye may indicate the former. She seemed to long for some loved one, or something. Might be petty revenge for what he did.||

Nothing in this game happens just because, I learned.

[heady mountain]

||Where is aunt han after the end of chapter 1?||

[meager ingot]

What could be the relationship of Yi dao and Jiang

[feral spade]

||We don't know.||

[feral spade]

||We don't know.||

[halcyon vapor]

Mimi

[astral kayak]

Am i right to assume that the deer monster in twinbeast ridge is qinxyi reborn?

[dire verge]

I thought the dao lord was going to be aurasome💔💔

[untold juniper]

Real 😭

[astral kayak]

Can someone please spoil me ||big zhao is just to sus in the way that he tries to help everyone and for some reason knows the governor of kaifeng so well is he actually emperor zhao kuangyi||

[grave palm]

||prob yes, in one of videos we can see him in emperor clothes||

[zealous dome]

[timber nebula]

Greetings lore nerds

[onyx acorn]

||why am I looking for Wuque in new area? where did the aunt go after saving me from the fire||

[timber nebula]

I have found a lore video that helps explain a lot

[onyx acorn]

I feel like I'm missing a story

[timber nebula]

Ah f

The video is called what happened in qinghe by itswiku

[vague shoal]

Cause wuque has clues on where aunt han is basically

[onyx acorn]

but who told me to go look for wuque

[vague shoal]

U got the letter wuque sent to aunt han, so since ur trying to look for han that’s the only clue u have

[onyx acorn]

it's in my bag?

[vague shoal]

Should be, i cant remember where u pick it up but it should make u read a letter in the msq

Through that letter u know aunt han is in contact with this wuque guy, so the mc set off to look for him to find aunt han

[blazing violet]

where can i see this vid

[timber nebula]

Youtube, helps understand a lot of missing context to some characters

[blazing violet]

thanks, young wanderer

[timber nebula]

namo amitabha

[steady leaf]

Look at mail, if you deleted the letter from Wuque to Aunt Han I can screenshot and send it

[onyx acorn]

oh tysm. found it

I thought mail was for rewards only😂

[wet gorge]

even i didnot know

[marble compass]

[north dove]

I just want to thank you for this explanation of the whole plot for this quest as i was thoroughly confused at the end, and then having to do the eagle quest to get the chest that is on the pier feels like ive done some sort of sequence break with her brother asking me to take it to her when shes already dead...

[steady leaf]

Welcome

It was easy to miss as it's not in a cutscene or something

[pastel pier]

idk if it's part of lore, but anyone got the cutscene when you first tried the assist companion thru ruby's revive?

i didn't got the chance to read it cause the boss was attacking me while the dialogue options are presented

[gaunt harbor]

Is there any philosophy to be found in the lore? Question I've been asking myself for years since the game came out

[clear cradle]

Aunt han is at the bridge in Kaifeng unless we have 2 aunt hans xD

[bleak glen]

i mean basic tropes/theme they use in not just in the lore but other wuxia/murim

strength -> use it as a shield, not a whip.

success -> how you get it matters long-term.

community -> choose your ‘sect or guild’ carefully; it will shape your fate.

revenge -> doesn’t heal; justice with boundaries does.

freedom vs safety -> you’re always balancing both, not maxing one stat.

kindness -> small acts are literally the only way to make a cruel world livable.

[stoic knoll]

Does anyone know what the Eight talents are they are mentioned a lot in the journal

[wheat cloud]

Anyone done with the man in the well quest? that quest lowk creeped me out

[wide wolf]

lord knows Qianye became my most hated character across all the games i played so not only does she kill two of my fav characters and beat me like 40 times on legend but also we don't even get to kill her
she ends her domain expansion garbage just for apparently we are the one who lost
no redemption arc can save her for me atp

[astral kayak]

is there lore to me getting jumped by lion ddancers

[hidden wasp]

Wha

[astral kayak]

Why do these guys attack you with zero warning at all

[amber acorn]

most interesting lore you guys knew so far?

or found* ig

[astral kayak]

||Big zhao is definitely the song emperor||

[wheat cloud]

this one

[amber acorn]

...how come i never met one of them yet?

[hidden wasp]

Ive never been hit by those..

[amber acorn]

are those the chest ones?

[astral kayak]

no this is a world boss in kaifeng

[amber acorn]

ah i just reached kaifeng today

[hidden wasp]

Guess ill explore tom

[north dove]

I think its just part of the jianghu/wuxia setting

[mint spade]

Well why you asking about lion dancers when there's an old man riding a donkey who attacks you for no reason in Qinghe?

Everyone just kungfu fighting man

[north dove]

Also for anyone looking for this boss theyre in ||Gracetown||

[quartz talon]

is there a reason why ||uncle jiang just disappears before the events of the game? why does he appear in dreamscape (assuming it's not just a dream)? also what is the importance of our jade nameplate that was stolen?||

[north dove]

Pretty sure this is just story we have yet to get to

Im also pretty sure for some Wuxia settings its ultimately not all that important how it starts, its more about the journey we are now on

[mint spade]

||Uncle Jiang is one of the 16 heroes fighting against Khitan you hear of throughout the story. He left 3 years ago to investigate the South Tang's use of those zombie things, invited by another of the heroes. You are a baby he saved during one of the resistance fights against Khitan, the jade nameplate has something to do with your true identity. From what Qinghe clues show, you may be the child of the general Wang Qing, who the temple at the beginning of the game you attended a market with Ruby at is worshipping.||

||Historically, Wang Qing was kind of just a no-name high ranking general who died repelling the Khitans, but here his death kicked off the story, with Jiang taking you to escape pursuit from the South Tang dynasty spies for whatever secret reason hidden in your nameplate.||

[dull vessel]

How strong is killer blade compared to them

Yo some of these forced losses don’t make sende

Why did those guards literally cook me bro

0 damage???

So I can apparently stand a chance with killer blade and the witch but I can’t beat some randoms?

[mint spade]

Killer blade is not one of the 16 heroes, he was a common cutthroat jianghu wanderer who got into an awkward friendship with Zhu, who is one of the 16 heroes.

He's a strong veteran of jianghu, but not top tier.

And he got pulled into the story because Zhu began talking to him about education and logic

And then ended up doing a favor for his (supposedly) dead friend to deliver a message to Han

He met you, a young master that he took a liking to, and ended up helping you out just like that

[haughty igloo]

Hi, does ||Tian Ying really die at the end, or does he just make use of this opportunity to fake his death and go invisible to the outside world? It seems weird that we could beat him but we struggle against pretty much everyone for now while he's a legend||

[mint spade]

Probably faked death, no bodies left behind

[haughty igloo]

But then why would he fake death in this manner since we're the only witness

And it doesn't seem like the main character talked about it

[mint spade]

Because he is very public figure now, he's had his fake identity as a monk for years and did many things with it

The disappearance and death of such a public figure will cause waves

[haughty igloo]

Oh ok so he just killed the miaoshan figure off

[mint spade]

Yea, he's going to assume a different identity and continue doing spy work against the Khitans

[vague shoal]

U mean Chu right?

[mint spade]

Yes, Chu

Guy was basically your intro to Jianghu.

Lived for drinks.
Paid for friendship.
For what?
Cuz he felt like it.

Entirety of Qinghe plot is really just a bunch of bottom rung martial artists, fighting for their little piece of the world while top dogs in the world are having country spanning espionage wars

And as the young master you lose everything from this clash of power way greater than anything you can hope to achieve on your own

[vague shoal]

then in the 2nd map we immediately get swept into the top dog's conspiracy lol

pacing in ch2 is alraedy slow and the time gate really doesnt help

[mint spade]

Well, even then you're a wanderer with nothing to your name, hoping to fist fight entire countries and organizations...

Getting screwed over the moment you go to Kaifeng really set the mood

[vague shoal]

i havent finished the new msq but can anyone tell me how many days do we have to wait for new one again?

[mint spade]

I haven't finished either but doesn't the world unlock with the world level schedule? So another 6 days for world level to go up

[vague shoal]

no, story time gate and lvl time gate is different I think

...I hope so. 6 days for new MSQ is crazy

[astral kayak]

killer blade is lowk a jobber

Zheng E victim

maybe even ye washan victim

[edgy marten]

Do you think we'll ever see figures like wukong in this game?

[astral kayak]

no wukong is like an almighty diety

if we do dont expect to fight them

young master is only 16

[edgy marten]

I wouldn't think we'll fight wukong 😂💀

I think it would be cool to interact with the heavenly court in a way

[surreal fox]

3 more days

[astral kayak]

do you know if the update in 3 days will be 1.2 or another small one

i just want the rest of kaifeng to unlock already lol

[mint spade]

I can't imagine you people already finishing everything to explore, damn, it takes so long to just finish one part of the map

[astral kayak]

you dont endeerstand how much i pllay this game sigh

[oak basin]

love thegame

[exotic patio]

is aunt han dead?

[exotic patio]

or does she die?

[oak basin]

best lore

[wet gorge]

no, check ur mail for a letter for Aunt Han

[torpid stone]

||how far in to the game am i if ruby just died||

[astral kayak]

Anyone know why the twin lions attack you out of nowhere?

[astral kayak]

about 60% of the way through the main story that is currently in the game but theres stilll several years of updates left

[torpid stone]

oh wow

[astral kayak]

yeah the story updates every week or so rn

[torpid stone]

thats cool

thank you!

[oak basin]

ya cool

[queen mica]

||im kinda confused as to why we're fighting murong? anyone have a basic explanation. ive seen people say its cause she wanted to stop the warship, then why are we stopping her? we support the war?||

[kindred mirage]

Don’t really see how age impacts what a character is doing in a fictional fantasy universe. Plenty of tropes of kids saddled with things way way bigger then them.

That is not to say I think we would fight Wukong 😂

But yeah. Idk how much age really effects anything besides smaller details like them having never drank before maybe or w/e

[mint spade]

The young master is a veritable alcoholic by this point.

[safe maple]

Please correct me cause I love the Tian Ying lore

Tian Ying served the previous emperor as a spy(Which is why the half of the calling orb was at Bodhi Sea to Ye Wanshan, they served the same cause).

He is an extremist, he does everything for his land as he saw that is his enlightened "path". He left the inkbound sect to be a spy.

Ruthless and wore many masks. He poses as a monk all the while confiscating religious and precious items from buddhists to supply the war finamcially. which is why the other half of the calling orb is at the temple of annals.

Collect both orbs then we get the calling beavon to summon spies like tian ying.

He doesnt speak a word once
we meet him. First phase and second phase he poses as a monk and is punishing you fpr trespassing.

3rd phase however is peculiar. He shows that he looks like Johnny Depp, and returns to his spy/assassin ways. Here I do not know why.

We defeat him and unlock the room at the base of the peak. A curscene plays of a man covering his face with makeup and the broken staff next to him. Heleaves with the other spies.

Why did he show his face to the mc.

[mint spade]

To make the MC, and anybody else who may be watching the fight think he's dead.

So he can resume his activities as a spy under a new identity with a new face.

[worldly hawk]

it took me half a day to get to kaifeng after ruby’s-

[mellow horizon]

Dunno if you already read the 2 Reddit-Posts about Tian Ying's backstory and his connection to the Moon Goddes, but your message includes several correct information.

For your last question;
We don't really have a answer to it, but we can assume that he simply wanted to (more or less) go all in and used his true talent/combat-style. However, at the end he realized that you might be an student from Uncle Jiang and he stopped to go serious against u and used that chance to fake his death, so he can continue his actual mission

[surreal fox]

I assumed it was thematic of the stages in his life too. Kinda like buddhist cycles of life and death.

[mint spade]

At end of the day, we find out

Our MC is really an unwitting backstabber getting all the friends and allies of Uncle Jiang killed or injured.

[humble verge]

aah

[jaunty coyote]

I prefer to think we are uncle jiang’s friend groups retirement plan. It just so happens death is the most common retirement in the jianghu

Tian ying can go be a horse and frolic somewhere if he wants to, or go fishing (he will not)

[tawdry sail]

Does anyone know who the Void King is? I'm extremely confused because he just showed up out of nowhere in the Gleaming Abyss. Like, the whole storyline is about the Last Emperor and his lover but then this dude suddenly showed up as a boss.

[tropic mauve]

lore

[copper fiber]

can someone make a quick power ranking of who the strongest characters shown so far are like top 10 or top 5

[tropic mauve]

interesting

[halcyon tusk]

is ruby fr dead?

[jaunty coyote]

This game kills kids left and right ruby is gone

[clear scroll]

Man, i'm really sad after the quest where you rememeber her

[halcyon tusk]

I'm rocking both their mementos

[clear scroll]

Me too

[dense skiff]

Oh I got spoilert 🫡

[hasty abyss]

Anyone on here willing to help me with the dark surge fragments I need the first one out of second lot and the first one out of the last in the first area

[quartz saddle]

It says heartseeker looks like aunt Han, then who is Qianye to heartseeker? They share similar movesets

[quartz saddle]

In Qinghe, General Wang Qing, Qianye, Sleeping Daoist, (maybe headsman), the dude in yi dao dreamworld (guide), Monk Miaoshan (tian ying) and aunt Han

[jaunty coyote]

they were from the same sect/fraction before, aunt han left for mysterious purposes, qianye didnt like that

[quartz saddle]

Oh, they look so similar as well

Thanks for the clarification

[quartz saddle]

Aureate pavilion or something else?

[jaunty coyote]

heartseeker is who MC imagines aunt han to be after finding out she is the water lady, MC passes out from the knowledge and essentially has a fever dream/nightmare

[jaunty coyote]

aureate pavillion

[quartz saddle]

Aureate pavilion having scythes 😔

[jaunty coyote]

its a cool weapon

[astral kayak]

Did qianye take the form of nightmare han specifically to mock mc?

And are any of the 3 qianye forms her true face

I keep seeing people saying ice qianye is the real her

[jaunty coyote]

i think nightmare han is just a nightmare for MC, the same way we can fight Yidao in our dreams

[atomic flame]

The description of the Qianye boss also states that no one really knows what her true face is. Perhaps her icy appearance is the true one, but I haven't found confirmation yet

[ocean wren]

Did you find her?

I can't find her anywhere

[lavish rover]

I

Am

Just

Texting

For

Levels

Cause

I

Need

Lvl

!rank

[lavish rover]

2

[carmine ibex]

So Kaifeng is an actual place, but is Qinghe real as well? I'm trying to understand the in-game lore and the real life inspirations/myths?

[grand fable]

It's a place in China yes

[jaunty coyote]

That’s also very like aunt Han. Do you think they are sisters? Same master?