The Cabinet

[manic helm]

Awesome

[cinder hawk]

@austere peak its here

[tame pelican]

mean as hell 😭

[twilit scroll]

no im not saying it like that

i meant a few of the other thumbnails confused me too

seems like an important thing to show the artists what the enemy looks like lol

[tame pelican]

lol ye

[twilit scroll]

but it's not bad art

[tame pelican]

he really doesn't do a good job of that, just shows em some raw footage

[twilit scroll]

yeahh

[tame pelican]

there's even a reference in the readme

[twilit scroll]

still looks awesome from what they were given tho

[twilit scroll]

yeah lol

they got most of it right tho

but he's still a box

[severe iris]

youd think mithz could spend 10 minutes in imperium after recording to get a few pictures

[teal pumice]

They did a good thumbnail for my monster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubBEPTbBs94

[tame pelican]

DAMN

that goes hard

[stable stone]

Can't wait for code rebirth Mizathan art- /j

[twilit scroll]

wdym /j

they did a lobby a few days ago

we'll have to wait and see

[austere peak]

Sorry, I unintentionally accomplished sleeping when I took a break and woke up like 20m ago oujnjgmggggg. I must consume copious amounts of food before I get back on but then I can look at it

[peak apex]

@manic helm

[austere peak]

alr properly tested now:
Particles left at 500: still causes immediate -9000 fps on splurge
Particles reduced to 100: still a major lag spike, but stabilized within about 6s (before i got crunched again cause godmode yahee)
Particles reduced to 25: somehow... it still lags noticeably. But stabilized a lot quicker (about 3s and stuttering isn't anywhere near as bad as above)
Particles reduced to 0: No lag whatsoever on death.

In short: it does appear the particles are the problem, 500 does seem like a lot by default so I'd just naturally decrease that but I'm not sure why even a tiny amount still lags the game, that I can't really suggest anything for since I've never seen an issue like that still happening with minimal particles

[cinder hawk]

butt... butt... da hell

the fuk LQ does to my cabnet

[cinder hawk]

its me u must pong

[peak apex]

Ahhh got ya lol

[peak apex]

Maybe 15 is good?

[cinder hawk]

500 might seem like alot... butt without LQ it run very smooth still

[peak apex]

LQ is unfortunately not maintained but interesting it causes a bug with particles

[still oracle]

wait what

didnt you have the same lag from someone dying to it

and you dont have LQ right

[peak apex]

No the lag I got was cus of the errors in the logs

someone died and I was fine

[still oracle]

oh

[cinder hawk]

do you have sum context ?

[peak apex]

Idk what caused it tbh

I was outside on the ship when I noticed the game stuttering

[cinder hawk]

playing alone ?

[peak apex]

Nah Multiplayer

[cinder hawk]

mh o-°

[peak apex]

It was after it killed someone, I would suspect it's ai didn't reset properly

when it tried to follow someone else

[cinder hawk]

@peak apex do you have the full log ?

[peak apex]

Not anymore no

[cinder hawk]

damit

well if that happen again...

[austere peak]

that's so weird... I guess I'll just leave particles off though, cause it's a pretty good enemy

I hope we get an alternative to lethal quantities some time, one that doesn't get abandoned so soon 😔

[peak apex]

Use Central Config

[austere peak]

that doesn't have anywhere near as much config as LQ

[peak apex]

It works though

[austere peak]

and also ignores all scrap multiplier rules and defaults to 0.4x

[austere peak]

simply not worth it

[peak apex]

It uses the same multiplier rules as WR if you're talking about configuring weather stuff

If you know how to configure Weather Registry you know how to configure CC's

[austere peak]

No, it always defaults to 0.4x multiplier. I literally edited its own mult config and it still went to 0.4x

i know it was central, cause the logs showed central was setting it to that

even if it didn't it doesn't have several features LQ has so it's already at a major disadvantage

[cinder hawk]

@austere peak i'll try something...

like i will check if its the particle effect or the decals firstly

[cinder hawk]

1.6.1

• Added some config options
  • Decals enabled

@austere peak this should remove the lags while keeping he the particles

just no more blood everywhere

[austere peak]

will check it out once it's available in Gale. Also, I noticed that the cabinet doesn't appear as a valid enemy in LethalQuantities, so I want to ask if it spawns only indoors? That's about all I really care about spawn-wise since I prefer it that way (also what's its power level and max spawn count? I have to count the amount up from all the enemies when testing to make sure it's spawning a proper amount)

[cinder hawk]

only interior, power level is 1 and max is 1

[austere peak]

awesome, ty

[austere peak]

Unfortunately, it still lagged pretty bad when I died with particles on

[cinder hawk]

u disabled the decals ?

was fine on my side

[austere peak]

i am the blindest man on earth

i did not realize it was a config, will try that

[austere peak]

yup, that seems to have worked actually

also uh

idk if this is an LC Office bug or the size of the cabinet's collision but they were basically completely unable to navigate to the center of this room

[still oracle]

prob interiors fault

[austere peak]

lemme confirm, gonna spawn some enemies down there

[cinder hawk]

the elevator area might be too big

[austere peak]

so further testing somehow i managed to get it to just work now?

I honestly have no idea what happened to the first one

in that case, def must be the interior

[austere peak]

so apparently cabinet does appear in LQ, for some reason LQ thought to use the name of an enemy from CodeRebirth instead... I hate LQ.

[real falcon]

Use CC instead, its great

[still oracle]

CC has its problems

but it is rn the best mod of this kind since LQ is unmaintained

[real falcon]

I havent noticed many major problems with it, but yeah there are some niche things ive found that can be annoying

I am a fan of the mod

[sand magnet]

it's still cabinet tho
I have duck with ID of men_stalker for example

[austere peak]

Awful* overrides other mods configs at times, lacks several features LQ easily beats it with and its own scrap multiplier that they coded to forcefully apply over any other mod, doesn't even work when you change the value. No thanks.

[austere peak]

Didn't say it wasn't, just that LQ was rendering the wrong name so I initially thought cabinet wasn't registering since some enemy mods don't work with it

Idk why it does that but it's not shocking since its close to a year old without any updates

[cinder hawk]

we all be missing advanced company

[twilit scroll]

cabinet budling

[austere peak]

the real menace

[severe iris]

Pestering the cabinet as poltergeist causes it to get angry and kill the nearest player

@cinder hawk

Either that or the nutcracker can kick it

[tame pelican]

yeah, ain't that what poltergeist does?

pester any bracken and it'll do that, lol

same w the maneater

[real falcon]

And nuts, if someone is in LOS

[severe iris]

With the bracken and others its at least a bit more manageable, cabinet gets angry quick and is far more dangerous tbh

[tame pelican]

I kind of disagree, and that's why I just set pestering to an impossibly high price when I play w/ polter lol

pestering is a troll mechanic anyway, so I don't see why this should be changed

[cinder hawk]

if it target the nearest player, that must be what the mod intend to do

[tame pelican]

afaik pester just does whatever hitting the enemy with a shovel would do

[still oracle]

the solution is stop using poltergeist

[peak apex]

I just made it so pesters no longer aggro enemies

[cinder hawk]

wha ?

[peak apex]

You can change the hit requirement for aggros

set it to 5 or higher and they ain't aggroing anymore

I did notice the cabinet tends to phase through walls a lot it feels like

[cinder hawk]

really ? on which interior ?

didnt had that issue

[peak apex]

Wesley's Fractured Complex, every other enemy seems to work fine in it

[cinder hawk]

oh i dunno about this one

whats the gimmick of that interior ?

[still oracle]

it doesnt really have any

doors just randomly close on you

but you can always open them

and thats it

[faint elk]

Cabinet has definitely become one of my favorites, was playing some solo on Liminal House yesterday and suddenly the Cabinet was just behind me. Same happened later in Vehicle Hangar. Really fun to play around it and randomly get the "i'm behind you" jumpscare.

[celest wyvern]

Hehehehe food

[cinder hawk]

wat am i lookin at ¿

[manic helm]

what have you done

[celest wyvern]

a dead cabinet

[cinder hawk]

yea butt how

and wtf he doin outside

[celest wyvern]

I killed him

An using purple pikmin brought him to the onion

[cinder hawk]

pikmined

[cinder hawk]

1.7.0

• Added a grace period when looking back at the Cabinet too quickly

[still oracle]

@manic helm @cinder hawk

in the trash where it belongs

[severe iris]

highway star hours

[teal pumice]

New skin, The trash

[celest wyvern]

i remember seeing a pet mod idk where but id pet this guy

[cinder hawk]

nooo my boi

[manic helm]

don't you dare say that about my son

[merry cobalt]

WOOHOO!!!

[manic helm]

?

[small mantle]

What's gotten you so excited?

[merry cobalt]

Just released this got released lol

[small mantle]

You JUST realized?

[merry cobalt]

Yeah I never got new messages from the old thread so I had no idea it ever released

[teal pumice]

I just released the realization of the release of this mod

[merry cobalt]

I just realized your realization of my realization of the release of this mod

[cinder hawk]

my family photo c:

[merry cobalt]

[still oracle]

wheres herobrine

[cinder hawk]

removed Herobrine once again from the build

[verbal surge]

xenomorph mod?

when was that a thing

[cinder hawk]

since january of... 2024 x_x

at least its when i started working on it the first time

butt with lack of animation i couldn't move past the basic behaviours

[verbal surge]

ahhh fairs fairs

[cinder hawk]

butt now i switched yet again model

and with this one from THE game, ive got a few animations to work with

[real falcon]

The game?

https://tenor.com/view/fugu-pufferfish-blowfish-fish-puff-gif-17846365

[cinder hawk]

Alien: Isolation ofc

[verbal surge]

i made a xeno model in lethals style ages ago with the intention of making a mod

but

alas

i cannot program

also i despise working with unity

worked with unreal for so long that unity just frustrates me

[cinder hawk]

oh

my

where have you been all this time ;_;

[verbal surge]

lurking

and

vibing making my modpack

i yearn to be a modder tho

limited to just 3D modelling and not really doing much with my models 💔

[cinder hawk]

aw

[verbal surge]

hella good for my portfolio tho, of which i wont use

[verbal surge]

those who know

https://tenor.com/view/those-who-corrode-those-who-know-those-who-meme-funny-gif-15887419412792935936

[remote otter]

💀

[cinder hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mouth-open-nani-what-huh-gif-2284296875076340920

[verbal surge]

hey if you wanna use my model or any models i might have just let me know, pre warning tho my rigs are sub optimal

theyre not terrible but like

on the same level as most gmod playermodels i think

a tiny bit rushed

[cinder hawk]

yea ofc, tho the actual model is provided by yours truly, mister pika... s1ckman

he might help me with this one

[verbal surge]

awesome sauce

[verbal surge]

i did also make half of a deacon from Prometheus

but highkey

never finished it

probably never will either

i got a little bored because its a lot less biomechanical

so

kinda just

boring to texture

and sculpt

[cinder hawk]

yea i see

[verbal surge]

also no awesome tail

hes just kinda scampy

lil rat xeno

[cinder hawk]

hey at least you know how to do models, that noice

[verbal surge]

yessir

[cinder hawk]

im not even sure if i can code properly

today i did black magic to stole yoink code from github for tail physics animation

[verbal surge]

oh thats what i do when it comes to uh

i forgot what theyre called

basically a system in blender

that

does awesome things

but i only used it to make fire flies for an animation

basically half of it was open source i just hella tweaked it

[verbal surge]

box connected to box with lines

but like

for shaders

kinda how unreal code looks visually

[cinder hawk]

oh, blueprints ?

[verbal surge]

everyone and anyone yoinks a lil bit of open source stuff

[verbal surge]

uh

maybe?

i forgor

[verbal surge]

open source stuff is the best

[cinder hawk]

i did code in blueprint in unreal, not in c++ because ew

i prefer unity tho

[verbal surge]

i know a little code but nothing too complex

like

i know the smallest amount of lua

i know enough of java, and i hate working with it

and uh

i think thats it

[verbal surge]

unreal blueprint is the best

[verbal surge]

c++ is evil

and so is python

[verbal surge]

lua deadass is so goated

made gmod modding a BREEZE

if i didnt have to constantly jump versions to work with source it would be the main thing i did

crowbar my beloved

[cinder hawk]

did you made gmod mods ?

[verbal surge]

a handful

nothing too special

i made the first votv playermodel for gmod

i think that may be my only public one actually

[cinder hawk]

votv ¿

[verbal surge]

voices of the void

funny itch.io game

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3028628255

this was my first mod and the only one i finished 😔

[cinder hawk]

ayo why does his face go boom

[verbal surge]

its a blender thingy, someone else made that gif tho

ALSO

that is not my model

its a port from the itch.io game votv

i should clarify

also ima make a

[cinder hawk]

right

[verbal surge]

thread somewhere

where i shall

post my models

and summon people

if they would like to use them for le mod

idk if that should go in mod collaboration or dev resources

[cinder hawk]

if you got an idea for something "simple", i might, but i shouldn't start going into another mod again with the xeno waiting lol

[verbal surge]

nono, yeah defo focus on the xeno

jumping projects is

so draining

[verbal surge]

i have zero ideas

i just have models

that sit unused

and are somewhat in lethals style

[cinder hawk]

xeno is over there btw

[verbal surge]

thats mortifying but so cool

[verbal surge]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1399095602733776958

ta da

[celest wyvern]

I have made models terrible ones but i did

[merry cobalt]

REAL

Frick java

[peak apex]

@cinder hawk

[merry cobalt]

Gonna need a clip, date & time, system specs and a drivers license with that

[cinder hawk]

owno

[cinder hawk]

@peak apex is there a moment in the stream i can see it ?

[peak apex]

I never saw them ingame

So unfortunately no lol

[cinder hawk]

well i dunno really how to reproduce that, i may just add a bunch of log around the error area

[peak apex]

I'm hoping the full log says what happened when it errored

But yeah it would have been after a client, idek what moon this was on or when it errored

cus I never saw it

[cinder hawk]

did it cause lag ?

[peak apex]

Not that I could tell

[cinder hawk]

ill try things...

[molten flint]

Idk if you've already done this, but increasing the chance of the cabinet spawn if the interior is a mansion would be cool.

[cinder hawk]

i've no idea if that is possible

[molten flint]

Vanilla does this with Maneater in the mineshaft interior and Butterybalance does this with Butler in the manor interior.

[molten flint]

"Another missed opportunity (although this might have just been overlooked) is giving butlers an increased spawn chance in the manors, using the system added in v60 for the Maneater-mineshaft synergy. Sigurd's notes even explicitly mention the manor in the Butler file - it's perfect!" From butterybalance wiki

[still oracle]

you just randomly inspired me to suggest this
#1350616165289951272 message

[cinder hawk]

ill look at this

[tame pelican]

Can you guys implement a distance check for the Cabinet aggro?

It can aggro from the other side of the interior on Grand Armory and other large interiors

[still oracle]

@cinder hawk @manic helm i felt like doing this

theres something so funny about cheesy valentines like this

[manic helm]

peak

[halcyon grotto]

That looks amazing XD

"Holding you close to my heart"
To: Employee.
From: Forest Keeper.

[still oracle]

eh i think the one i made is funnier

but thats good too

i did this for every significant vanilla monster

and just felt like doing it for a few modded ones i really enjoy

[halcyon grotto]

Nice!

What's the jester's like?

[halcyon grotto]

Cute!

[remote otter]

you should add all of them to the fanart forum haha

[still oracle]

i made each in like 3-4 minutes

dont really think it qualifies much as art

[cinder hawk]

i thought it had it lol

ill add that

• find out why missing reference error in following
• look if can boost spawn on mansion
• add distance check

[teal pumice]

you should add that to the alloe :]

nah, I'm joking, she is good

[merry cobalt]

The cabinet sees all

[still oracle]

@cinder hawk the cabinet doesnt play its walking animation when its walking away after someone it was nearby leaves the building

also i think it should move around more tbh

like, when it has no one nearby it

[cinder hawk]

i know it does that when everyone is dead, but i didnt know this

[cinder hawk]

there is a range in which it wont move if someone inside

and it was made so it waits its "master" at the door

as @manic helm asked

[still oracle]

thats making it kind of inactive

[remote otter]

grabinet

[crimson yew]

cabinet is a funny little cat theory

[tame pelican]

TRUEE

[quaint heart]

it seems like the cabinet cannot be scanned at all

[remote otter]

only when its attacking

requested feature hehe

[quaint heart]

oh it seems like it can only be scanned if you make it angry through sight, can't scan it if you anger it through trying to open it

[remote otter]

ooooh

that could actually be peak

[cinder hawk]

wat

wat da hell

it should be scannable only when not hidden

[crisp holly]

The Cabinet is absolutely terrifying. I have one suggestion: use the Sapsucker's player death animation for the player whenever the player dies to the cabinet

Or perhaps the head explode from the Ghost Girl

[real falcon]

It spewing out some body parts would be horrifying

although how it is by default is already horrifying

[crisp holly]

it should be an easy addition to the mod

[molten flint]

But the cabinet eat the players i believe

[cinder hawk]

yea, it grab the bAdy and eat it

[celest wyvern]

Now im gunna eat the cabinet

[cinder hawk]

1.8.0

• Added a maximum distance condition for spotting the Cabinet
• Fixed the Cabinet not being scannable after angering it by trying to open it
• Increased the chance of spawning in the Mansion

[stable stone]

Is the chance a multiplier?

Or a set weight?

Cause I used central config to set that

[still oracle]

its the same thing as maneater in mineshaft

[harsh tendon]

This is a stupid nitpicky suggestion
But i would much prefer if you could like, set multiple interior spawn multipliers or something
There is several mansion-like modded interiors that i would also want it to spawn more on, not just vanilla mansion

Still an awesome change though

[cinder hawk]

well if it was posible...

[remote otter]

Raven manor, liminal house, cabin,

Museum?

Gray apartments?

[still oracle]

ehhhh for museum

[remote otter]

The wesley one

[still oracle]

still ehhh

[remote otter]

Gallery

[harsh tendon]

i was thinking Lim house especially
Cabin and possibly Art Gallery as well

[remote otter]

Yeah udk

[harsh tendon]

Rubber Rooms probs

[still oracle]

i think rubber rooms suits it more

[remote otter]

Maybe ye

[harsh tendon]

SDM

YO
SDM monochrome skin 💚
That would be fire

[remote otter]

In a gallery there are cabinets to store some of the art

In a rubber room there is for medical objects, but they dont tend to be made of wood

They are mostly made of metal or similar

[remote otter]

Whats that??

Tower could also have them

There are too many!!!

[harsh tendon]

SDM
Scarlet Devil Mansion interior

[remote otter]

Ooooh oki

[harsh tendon]

Honestly Backrooms (Lim facility) could work
It has random ass furniture around

[remote otter]

Nah but i rhink raven manor and liminal house are the biggest ones

In terms of fitting the cabinet

[cinder hawk]

@harsh tendon i am using the same thing zeekers does with the maneater which is giving the interior ID to which i want increase chance. probleme with that is that modded interior dont have a non-changing ID

[halcyon grotto]

Castle too could probably work.

[slender totem]

How many hits are needed to kill the Cabinet?

[still oracle]

7 melee hits but the system is a bit weirdly coded

[sand magnet]

Enough to kill him

[still oracle]

fooxynn told me in dms but idk if they want me to reveal it

[real falcon]

10 shotguns does the trick just fine

[sand magnet]

Dw, I'm checking the LQ preset rn

[still oracle]

tldr they actually have 20 health and just have weird code for how much damage they take

[sand magnet]

-# /j im not in home lmao

[still oracle]

7 melee hits will kill it though

[molten flint]

I thought the cabinet was immortal

[sand magnet]

I consider it as immortal tbh
I don't like the concept that he's killable
||it's already countering enough not looking at him||

[still oracle]

honestly i find myself in more situations it needs to be killed than kept alive

and i like that because it counteracts the potential strength of it

especially depending on how you set up its weight cap

like its genuinely hard to use the cabinet as a tool

[mint eagle]

I decided to check out this mod for myself per Purple’s recommendation, and I like this monster a lot. I like monsters that offer new mechanics (not just being repeats of other monsters), while also not being overbearing/annoying, and I think this monster fits the bill. Reverse weeping angles are a fun archetype, and the scrap carrying mechanic is the sort of goofy interaction a lot of vanilla monster have. Very well done, I think I will add this to my modpack!

I have only noticed one small issue for far. Its walking animation while following a player is too slow, so it slides around. That is all though, keep up the great work!

[manic helm]

😎

[remote otter]

coil head + cabinet = bracken!!!

[remote otter]

mom, dad and baby

[cinder hawk]

aye thanks mate

[tame pelican]

the make the interior hell brothers

[still oracle]

funny enough it only became so because i kept accidentally looking at ghost girl and a spider showed up as i was leaving this area

otherwise things were chill

[tame pelican]

lol

cabby killed me thru a wall

I was here

[cinder hawk]

uuh

@tame pelican can you draw a map ? i am confused by the screenshot ^^

[tame pelican]

yeah sure

[tame pelican]

the cabinet was standing on the topmost doorway, and because I was heading that direction I looked at it for too long and it aggoe'd onto me

I jumped to the bottom left tile in the diagram to avoid the enemy, since it has an overhang with no navmesh on it

cabinet pathed to the closest possible spot to where I was (which was on the room next to me) and killed me through the wall

[severe iris]

So... forgot a line of sight check for the killbox?

[tame pelican]

most likely?

same thing going on w the aloe rn so can't blame em

[cinder hawk]

i see

[cinder hawk]

yes

[tall harbor]

How'd you make the ||Dark spring|| spawn in on regular moon layouts?

[mortal trench]

I was playing arduous hardships: ultimatum

[still oracle]

centralconfig

(AHU is my mod pack)

[cinder hawk]

stawp the killbinet D:

[manic helm]

why is all the footage of the cabinet it being killed

[still oracle]

i mean tbf there isnt really much else to show otherwise

[manic helm]

is it not actually usable??

[still oracle]

also we did this to let the puppeteer spawn

funny story
we never even found them

[manic helm]

ive never seen the cabinet be used

pmo

[still oracle]

idk its not really that usable for benefits

like it has its moments

but more times i find its more important to just kill it

because of various reasons

im not saying this should be changed

i actually like its hard to use it for a benefit

[manic helm]

i swear to god im gonna demand for it to be made unkillable

this is bulters all over again

[cinder hawk]

uhoh

[manic helm]

👁️

[still oracle]

so you just want a giant wall to make it hard to move around/kill things like nutcrackers

that is the main significance of killing it at least

thumpers are also not a good combination as the game basically forces you to kill them

in my 3k+ hours, ive barely ever been able to successfully stealth a thumper

and stuns arent really a good option either cause that will also piss off the cabinet

[cinder hawk]

does it ?

[still oracle]

pretty sure yes?

(either way stuns are clunky to use)

ill fact check

[tame pelican]

don't be anti-fun, you should let the player decide how they want to engage with your content

[still oracle]

oh yeah another issue is masked

[tame pelican]

you can lean towards a certain use for it but like don't make it unkillable lol

[still oracle]

game basically forces you to kill them, plus theyre designed to be easy to kill

if you walk into the cabinet while swinging, then it gets mad from that

[tame pelican]

make it get faster when it's low hp, that'd be a way to encourage keeping it around

[tame pelican]

only recently have I been able to, it's crazy

Dreg is a super thumper heavy map so I have to sneak around tower like a fucking RAT to live

[still oracle]

ok cabinet doesnt care about stuns

still, stun grenades are clunky

zap gun will not save you from a thumper either

[cinder hawk]

ah yes... the sex

[molten flint]

Could you add an option to the cabinet be immortal?

[tame pelican]

option good

[molten flint]

Are you using betterstamina? I tried to do this with bracken and i get ouf of stamina.

[still oracle]

i dont use player buff mods

for any of my mod packs

idk how he did that ngl

[molten flint]

I use betterstamina but i change the settings to be like vanilla. I just like to use to buff drunk effect and ladder sprint.

[still oracle]

if you want to kill a bracken the secret is not holding down S the entire time

[molten flint]

Thx

[merry cobalt]

I'd be willing to help brainstorm ways to make the cabinet more useful

Just gotta start by finding out why killing it is the first reaction

[tame pelican]

(purple and alex just kinda kill most things they find)

(and most clips are from purple and alex)

[merry cobalt]

Could indeed be the case

When I interact with it I'll share my insights anyway

(I'll prob forget I said this)

[still oracle]

its not that we want to

its just the situations we've been in draw us to do so more than not

and thats not really the cabinets fault

its just the fact that hitting it at all causes it to become an instant kill thats decently fast and doesnt stop pursing until you exit the building

this is a problem with at least 3 monsters in the game, two of which are basically forced to be fought

it also makes using a shotgun around it impossible unless youre right at an exit

id say thats more so the fault of those two monsters and how zeekerss made them

zeekerss definitely intends masked to be easy as fuck to kill and thumpers are so hard to consistently stealth around its rare you get a moment you actually could do so without losing whatever youre carrying

when the cabinet is added to that equation, a lot of problems rise

i understand the cabinet has design to help the player, but the key understanding is that its only potential

ive personally seen less situations that leaving the cabinet alive is overall beneficial towards the party

i dont want it changed in any aspect, i like how it is currently, its my favorite vanilla style modded monster ever

but the property of using it for your own benefit is more of a bonus thing

and thats why i havent posted anything of actually being able to use that bonus

[sand magnet]

valid crashout ig

[tame pelican]

well obviously, it's just a side effect of y'all being really good at the game

[tame pelican]

like, if you're not sick asf at the game you ain't landing this kill loool

[still oracle]

the masked scenario can happen to anyone
same for nutcracker
thumper would instead be a problem of walking into the cabinet trying to avoid the thumper

not that this wouldnt happen to me

[tame pelican]

like I am not killing the cabinet anytime soon is what I mean

nor are most people who play w the enemy

[quaint heart]

i wish there was a single mod that atleast tried to make it so you can stealth past thumpers better, stealth is a fun concept for dealing with an enemy

[still oracle]

it would need to alter the standard AI search routine

literally thats all you need to do

make thumpers take longer paths inbetween each time they turn around

automatically way more stealth possibility

[quaint heart]

alternatively make it stop for a longer period of time each time it reaches its destination, or maybe just shrink its field of view a bunch

[tame pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-an-idea-croods-the-croods-grug-gif-16310881167093655388

check the items doc

FUCKYOU

[quaint heart]

monty you need the thing to actually exist for it to count

[merry cobalt]

I mean I've come to learn they have pretty narrow vision, if you're hiding in a corner they can walk right past you multiple times. But I kind of agree with this. They move around way too much in search phase, making it almost impossible to not get caught

[still oracle]

this is why i kill the cabinet most often actually

[merry cobalt]

I see we all kind of agree after scrolling up

[still oracle]

so i can kill thumpers without it being a nusiance

[tame pelican]

yeah but i want it to be a thing eventually!!

[quaint heart]

yeah but it's not eventually yet

[tame pelican]

jukks tiy

[mint eagle]

Something should be mentioned in regards to Purple and Alex constantly killing the Cabinet is the Arduous modpacks they play. These are a significant departure from vanilla and their moons are designed to create fast-paced, often combat-oriented scenarios. To reduce rng and keep things snappy, moons in these packs have generally small interiors, with 1.8 size Mineshaft (and Mineshaft is smaller than vanilla there) being the biggest I have seen. In a slower-paced and much larger moon, keeping the Cabinet alive as a loot carrier would be more useful

[crimson yew]

So far in my experience with the cabinet ive always used its carrying mechanic, especially in solo play, its really fun, I haven't even killed one yet

Though the one time I saw it with friends they kept looking at on accident and we got wiped lmao, it was really fun though

[crimson yew]

I should mention that even on this experience we kept stacking stuff onto the cabinet to bring back, we were super close to bringing it all back thanks to it as well

[severe iris]

Id say its fine.
Leaving it alive means you can use it as a loot carrier, but it can get pissed off if you're careless while fighting other enemies
Or you can kill it instantly to avoid that problem, but you lose the loot carrier and take a risk of instantly dying

[cinder hawk]

about that tho...

i know that config are great butt

i just cant brain why, if people want it unkillable, to just not slap it ?

[mint eagle]

Modpack makers wanting to enforce something at all times without being there

[remote otter]

ngl at that point just use the shy guy haha

[severe iris]

Players will do whatever the hell they want
If theres no unkillable option, it will be killed

[steel lance]

im still surprised cabby is killable to begin with lol does not give that vibe

[mint eagle]

LC players are crafty, Zeekerss envisioned the Sapsucker as the most powerful entity in the game yet it only took a week before players were killing it with just a shovel unassisted

[tame pelican]

I mean it doesn't mean it still isn't

[mint eagle]

I am just pointing out that making an entity killable in any way is a big deal in this game

[severe iris]

tbf thats only possible by exploiting the fuck out of its pathfinding

Cabinet on the other hand, its just killable, flat out

[remote otter]

similar way of killing it to the bracken

[still oracle]

there is a way to do it without standing in a spot it cant hurt you

it is still technically cheese, but its so hard to actually execute that strategy it might as well just not be cheese

zeekerss for some reason added a small box that when walked into, makes the sapsucker temporarily unable to hurt you from splash damage

i dont know why he did that, it only lets this strategy be possible

but regardless, its the hardest thing you can do with a shovel in this game, and is impossible with any other weapon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1339708340468711424/1401339632767074334/8mb.video-0mK-9ABbASCf.mp4?ex=68a8f73c&is=68a7a5bc&hm=dce1154d109d1da3e3cbc83f503f97ecf7054967725102f9262363ee8034013c&

another reason this is so hard to do is because you are on a time limit, the sapsucker gets faster the longer its angrily chasing things, and if you miss too many swings, then you will just die from the strafing being offset

you can also mess up your own motion and offset where the sapsucker is in relation to you

and you cant do this on sloped terrain

it literally took me 40 minutes to learn how to do this even remotely properly, and for comparison, every other monster in vanilla so far took me ~5 minutes to learn how to kill

[severe iris]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-5848418847127216186

[mint eagle]

There also, y’know, are straight-up cheese spots on every moon it spawn on vanilla, with easy and consistent setups

As Purple shows though, if you know what you doing you can straight up 1v1 it too

[quaint heart]

i wonder if anyone's killed a forest giant with a shovel

[sand magnet]

Group of 5 ppl which one of them volunteered into being eaten... and 3 flashbangs

For solo? It would require more flashbangs....

[still oracle]

knife is possible with 3 stun grenades and timing when you rush in to hit properly

i dont know how to do this and i dont think its valuable to learn how

[sand magnet]

Bro asked for a shovel 💔

[still oracle]

was meant to emphasize shovel isnt possible like that

[real falcon]

I saw a video a while ago where a group of 4 people with 4 shovels and 12 stun grenades did it

probably overkill, since they didnt use all of the stun grenades

[faint elk]

It was possible to kill a Forest Giant with a shovel by just spacing it properly at the ship door, not sure if it's still possible but if we're talking without that cheese then uhh.. yeah lmao.

[tame pelican]

It's still possible, just harder since zeeks tried to make them not camp the ship too much

[still oracle]

he will fix that but not the stealth decay bug 💔

[tame pelican]

what stealth decay bug?

[still oracle]

you dont know???

[tame pelican]

you mean the one where crouching as a client does nothing when you're trying to hide from keepers?

[still oracle]

forest giants are not meant to instantly spot you after theyve chased you

this is the case for all players

they have a "stealth" meter that decreases if youre being visibly seen, decreases less for various circumstances

the meter never goes back up once it hits 0 in vanilla

[tame pelican]

Yeah I know that

[still oracle]

unless another player increases theirs

then wtf

[tame pelican]

I mean it kinda makes sense? If you know something's there you don't just forget about it

But it smells of unintended

[still oracle]

then why is there like 4 mods that fix it if its not a bug

[real falcon]

If you lose sight of a fly in your room are you able to immediately see it again once it exits hiding?

[tame pelican]

Object permanence is not something I think keepers would have lol

[still oracle]

and also acclaim to be bug fixes

[tame pelican]

if it's in front of me yeah

Are you saying the keeper will insta aggro on me even if I'm behind it and it doesn't have LoS to me?

cuz if so that's fucked but I've never encountered it

[real falcon]

no

but like often times if you lose a fly itll take you a short time to see it despite it being somewhere in your FOV

[tame pelican]

never said it wasn't a bug? literally just said it reeked of unintended behavior

[still oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-lol-gta-gta-san-andreas-running-gif-25040072

[tame pelican]

I'm just saying unless someone has told him about it or he saw reports of it there's like no way he'd notice it himself (and also this sounds super minor I'm ngl)

I think the worse one is giants not seeing clients as crouched lol

[still oracle]

it is one of the most egregious bugs in vanilla

if not the most

[tame pelican]

I've literally never noticed it, lol

[still oracle]

it is why forest giants are overall the hardest monster to deal with

[real falcon]

There surely is a bug report for it by now?

there is

[still oracle]

idk why zeekerss hasnt fixed it yet

genuinely

[real falcon]

id say its unlikely hes seen it, but usually puffo would pass on any bug reports to him afaik

[tame pelican]

he either hasn't bothered to or doesn't care to

[still oracle]

this is more awful for the case of old birds than giants

i dont just mean their spotlight

i mean the fact non-host clients cant avoid being seen by a flying one

that and the stealth meter bug are imo the most ruining bugs the game has, besides the bugs of the sapsuckers unique corpse

[tame pelican]

what's wrong with the unique corpse rn?

[real falcon]

LC would be a lot less playable without all of the fix and performance mods

[tame pelican]

it's way better than it used to be

[still oracle]

it causes a memory leak of some sort in vanilla

due to what happens when it spawns it

i dont remember all the details fully

i just know its ass

[tame pelican]

can't tell you how many times I had a jetpack drain its battery to 0 by itself before that was patched

current version is kind of awesome and I haven't found any immediately noticeable errors that just piss me off

[faint elk]

Yeah the giant stealth bug is pretty annoying.

Like what exactly do you do on completely open areas without anything to hide behind? Lmao

And even if you hide while being chased, the giant doesn't immediately lose you completely which wouldn't be the end of the world if they wouldn't also be so fast.

[still oracle]

this is a subtle reference to granny 3 extreme mode and how hiding spots are almost useless in it

[faint elk]

[tame pelican]

play on a better designed moon

(my moon has no hiding spots for giants)

-# (i also don't have giants on there for that reason)

[faint elk]

No giants? Count me in!

I thnk Artifice is the most well designed moon in terms of outplaying giants even though if they camp the ship it can still be a pain.

[tame pelican]

Artifice I think is just one of the best designed moons in the game period

its super replayable, so many paths so much you can do on it

[molten flint]

I thought it was a bug, because stealth only decays if a giant is chasing a player.

[faint elk]

It just makes me wanna see what kind of moon Zeekers would cook up nowadays since it's been quite some time since the release of Artifice.

[real falcon]

Oh also, when a giant is looking at a player, it doesnt just decrease the stealth meter for other players, but allows it to go into the negatives.

Which means it takes longer than usual to chase players

[merry cobalt]

Me when massive coding oversight </3

[mint eagle]

It is very noticeable on higher-stakes moons, you are trying not to dally while transferring and a Giant instantly snipes you without warning. You are supposed to get a little bit of a warning if you had not been recently chased. It is playable but once you play with it fixed it is hard to go back

[mint eagle]

Liquidation when 🙏

[mint eagle]

Not a good excuse imo, when they instantly see me after loosing me for minutes I think “how did it know I was there so quickly?”, not “I guess it makes sense”. If we wanna go down this path of logic, I think the current Jetpack controls make little sense physically due to the lack of momentum conservation, but nobody is asking for v49 controls restoration or more

[tame pelican]

me when there's 20 billion hiding spots on artifice, you can breeze past them on titan and rend has a safe house you can hide away in with an alt path next to it that they never path to by themselves

[tame pelican]

yeah, I infact do want the old jetpack controls back

[remote otter]

https://tenor.com/view/oso-lunaistabby-luna-tabby-cat-gif-15027269540619359771

[halcyon grotto]

Jetpacks are very awkward to use when starting out imo. Though I have no idea how it used to be.

[manic helm]

GOOD

[mint eagle]

Me when none of these matter to the point I am making.

The issue is Giants sniping you without warning if they catch a glance of you from across the map. Cover does not have much bearing on that, even if they do not kill you they can slow you down a lot, costing potentially hundreds of credits from a transfer. Having that extra bit of leniency is good for both casuals and sweats

[mint eagle]

Bro is just being a contrarian at this point

[tame pelican]

god forbid people have taste lmao

[merry cobalt]

I was testing with imperium (haven't done an actual run where I've seen cabinet yet) and the silly guy died to a spike trap behind me. It was honestly quite tragic. But I did try using it as storage and I'm liking it 😀👍

[mint eagle]

It is a very good monster I agree

[merry cobalt]

Fell asleep before I could finish typing but I think it would be neat if we could drop stuff on it, though I assume it's done by pressing E because of technical limitations?

[cinder hawk]

kinda yes, i copied what was done with the storage locker in the ship

[merry cobalt]

Makes sense

[cinder hawk]

tho

i could lower the interaction time

[merry cobalt]

This might sound weird but it was more about making the player feel more "crafty" to drop stuff on its head lol, almost like exploiting unintended behavior (which is, of course, actually intended)

But cabinet is good the way it is, just an idea I had that may not be feasible at this time

[fathom shuttle]

could we have a config for the health the cabinent can have?

[celest wyvern]

Death

[cinder hawk]

im starting to think this is caused by another mod, cuse the others here dont seem to have that

[cinder hawk]

we could, butt thing is that cabinet health is abnormaly high (20) and comes with its own damage amount calculation

[still oracle]

i dont proactively check my logs

i could be having it happen

but idrc because the mod works just fine

[mint eagle]

Alright so this is pretty nitpicky, but hear me out. The bestiary for the Cabinet is written by Sigurd, ending with “I wrote this his because it had an entry” or something to that effect. I feel like that ending line is a bit of circular logic, writing an entry because one already existed, where is the previous entry? Changing it to “I wrote this because it has scan data” or whatever else would fix it. Do you see how this has me hung up?

[cinder hawk]

@manic helm

[manic helm]

@thick heart i have no idea what this dude is talking about

fix your writing or something

[still oracle]

add granny

0.1% chance grannys arms are used for the cabinet

[tame pelican]

you could at the very least re-read it to see what they mean?

lmao

bro don't even give a fuck it's crazy 😭

if you send it over I can try and correct it if it's just a grammar mistake

[thick heart]

I think its just a grammar mistake

since saying entry could be thought of an entry already being there and sigurd rewriting it when its supposed to be like the butler with it having nothing

no wait a minute

Sigurd's danger level: 70% I dont trust this thing!

I thought i was going crazy seeing this cabinet thing always behind me, but I know it was walking around because I can hear its footsteps.
so I turned around real quick to catch when it was moving to scan it or something, and it had these BIG arms and it started growling!

when i tol d Rich about it and how it was following me, he looked at me and then he said that if its followuing me then it should do some of the heavy lifting and then he laughed like he didn't believe me even after all the other stuff weve seen!

Finally when we got back to the ship i showed them it had a bestiary entry on the computer. also nothing was inside it
so i wrote this but why are like half of the things in these mansions not have any info>?

“I wrote this his because it had an entry” thats not even a direct quote

and it also says there was nothing inside it

though I should probably change that to "but nothing was inside it"

maybe

[tame pelican]

paragraph 3 (or 4 if you count danger level)

"(...) but why do half the things in these mansions not have any info>"

that's the only thing I can correct

unless it's on purpose

"half of the" sounds a little more literal, as if literally only half of the mansion related entities have info on them

whereas "half the" sounds a bit better for the situation i thinkk

[thick heart]

if you're talking about the ">" thats on purpose since the actual logs do have some typos and if you mean the not having any info was suppose to show that it had scan data but it was empty so sigurd wrote that there instead like the butler and jester

[tame pelican]

that and the original "but why are like half of the things in these mansions not have any info>" reads a bit clunky, which is why I corrected it a wee bit

[thick heart]

oh yeag

[tame pelican]

nah nah not talking about the >

[thick heart]

misread

[tame pelican]

correction:
"(...) but why do half the things in these mansions not have any info>"

original:
"(...) but why are like half of the things in these mansions not have any info>"

[tame pelican]

that reads better too yeah

either "but nothing was inside it (...)" or "but nothing was in it (...)"

or "but it was empty (...)"

[thick heart]

oh yeah true

Sigurd's danger level: 70% I dont trust this thing!

I thought i was going crazy seeing this cabinet thing always behind me, but I know it was walking around because I can hear its footsteps.
so I turned around real quick to catch when it was moving to scan it or something, and it had these BIG arms and it started growling!

when i tol d Rich about it and how it was following me, he looked at me and then he said that if its followuing me then it should do some of the heavy lifting and then he laughed like he didn't believe me even after all the other stuff weve seen!

Finally when we got back to the ship i showed them it had a bestiary entry on the computer. but it was empty
so i wrote this but why do half the things in these mansions not have any info>?

small edits all around it (mainly word swaps)

[tame pelican]

yee that reads good

did you add some capitalization in there or am I seeing things

[thick heart]

this is the original

when I sent this version I knew I'd probably need to do some minor changes but I kinda forgot until someone talked about it

[still oracle]

i might do an experiment since i have an opportunity

i could make someone new to the game entirely download the cabinet and we play with it, and see if they can discern if its from vanilla or not, alongside the other monsters

[severe iris]

biodiversity for sure

[still oracle]

no...

[thick heart]

true

[molten flint]

All my friends thought the cabinet was immortal.

[still oracle]

what does this have to do with this

[thick heart]

friends first time experiences I believe?

[tame pelican]

nah someone's already done it with biodiversity

generic I think?

[severe iris]

what?

[tame pelican]

like, i think generic introduced a friend of his to lethal company and in the pack he put biodiversity just to see if he'd be able to tell if it was modded or not

@boreal surge right?

i think he also installed some more stuff but i don't rember

[still oracle]

i hope they installed granny

[severe iris]

I mean, doesnt mean purple cant do it as well

[tame pelican]

yeah but i don't think purple likes biod that much

which is totally fine heheh

[still oracle]

i do

its just not an S tier mod overall to me

as many others say it is

[tame pelican]

i definitely think it needs more difficult enemies

[thick heart]

yeah

[tame pelican]

it's lacking sauce rn, but we're working on it

[thick heart]

also

[tame pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842200257537245188/1356328986464227429/lilchiikawa__-_1906578502549111087.gif

[thick heart]

that reminds me, I haven't looked at the beastiary entrys for biod but I wanted to ask if the person who wrote the coil crab one was inspired by Louie from pikmin 2?

[tame pelican]

i wrote all of em teehee

what's reminiscent of louie in it?

[thick heart]

wait let me reread it to make sure\

[tame pelican]

i never played a pikmin game in my life

[still oracle]

holy shit i thought i was the only one

[real falcon]

I didnt hear of pikmin until last year lmao

[thick heart]

its being weird and not letting me read it so I'm just gonna go based on memory.

If I remember in the coil crab bestiary it talks about how to eat it and in pikmin 2 normally you get Olimar's notes which discribe the creatures you encounter whilst Louies discribe how to cook and eat them

[tame pelican]

I've completely forgotten lol

also wdym it's not letting you read it?

had to go on s fucking odissey through the translations channel in the biodiversity server to find it on my phone

COIL CRAB

SiguMasons edibility rating: Hard asrocks and taste like dirt F

Scientific name: Carabus caput
Coil-crabs as they're now referred as, are part of rapidly mutating population of Uca rapax discovered on the asteroid moons, 21-Offense and /736)///ch//. //heir specific mutation seems to have come about due to being exposed to the remains of destroyed Vir colligerus on the two moons.

Their outter shells have become softer due to the intense radiation, and as a result have begun to wear Vir colligerus as a hermit crab would their home; due to how volatile and dangerous these are, Carabus caput lacks any natural predators. More over, their claws have become so large and deformed that they've become useless for hunting large prey.

They hunt by to immitating the behavior of active Vir colligerus, pursuing their prey at highs speeds but moving only when out of sight; they however don't sem to care if individuals other than their target stare at them during pursuit.

I really wanna rewrite parts of this fuuuck

but if I did I'd have to ask like 5 people to retranslate it fuuuuuck

well if it's just tweaking the grammar.... hmrmm

anyway all bestiaries from now on will feature edibility rankings from resident ITDA worker Mason

[cinder hawk]

soooo... do i have to change someting ?

[fathom shuttle]

sorry for the late response!! i understand now, for some reason i thought it had way more than 20 but i also configured my shovel to do 5 damage per bonk so wasn’t sure before asking

honestly the values are good, i might just need to mess around with the speed and looking mechanics

quite curious though since i haven’t seen it myself, does the cabinet wander around as well on its own too or does it just follow players behind and then hide when spotted?

[quaint heart]

it wanders until a player is nearby i think

[still oracle]

it goes to a specific AI node like maneaters would

i also configured my shovel to do 5 damage
you what

[fathom shuttle]

that’s so cool! unfortunately i either wipe before it happens or i hardly see the enemy, will probably have to increase the spawn weights more. do you plan to make any more changes or a new type of enemy mod? this one is for sure one of the best and creepiest

edit: oops i just realized i wasn’t replying to the mod creator😭

[fathom shuttle]

i configured it to be balanced with my pack, as it’s quite difficult itself regardless, not too game breaking and doesn’t make it too easy either… also cause of the specific people that play that pack need a way to fight back without adding in any other weapons

[cinder hawk]

i am the mod coder and you did ping me accuratly

[fathom shuttle]

ah... my apologies then, i was on mobile at the time and i couldnt figure out who was the author

[thick heart]

hell yeah

ITDA is something that should be expanded

[tame pelican]

im not vector but you should probably replace the current bestiary text with the corrections me and jack did to it higher up in the chat?

idk up to vector

[still oracle]

@cinder hawk @manic helm look
i actually used them to move shit

[cinder hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

[manic helm]

Epic

[sand magnet]

Wait
That's how they work? Lmao

[manic helm]

huh?

[sand magnet]

I mean uhhh
You can place shit on top of them?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307757394276909076/1396866890164605098/Brotherstarestaring.gif

[manic helm]

Yes
That's the point

[sand magnet]

Revolutionary for my existence
Thank you kindly sir

[manic helm]

how did you miss that that's like the main thing of the cabinet

[sand magnet]

I kept not looking at it lol

[manic helm]

It's in the description
It's hinted at in the bestiary entry

[sand magnet]

Imagine reading

[manic helm]

And it's safe to look at when it's in it's shell what do you MEAN you kept not looking at it

[sand magnet]

Wdym it's safe
It doesn't like being stared at

[manic helm]

It doesn't like when you look at it's ARMS

when they're hidden it doesn't give a fuck

[sand magnet]

Huh?

Lmao

Bro shaved hands and got embarassed

[manic helm]

Time to question my game design again

[mint eagle]

The way it works is where if you stand still, it will walk up right behind you but not kill you, and just go back in its box. While it is inside the box it is safe to view

[manic helm]

slams head on table

[sand magnet]

Not needed
I love my furniture with hands, legs and 59 eyes

[mint eagle]

I mean look at the amount of myths there are about vanilla enemy behavior, Lethal players are not the brightest

I think half of the vanilla roster have a myth

[sand magnet]

What myths

Bro still typing... I'm scared

[mint eagle]

• Forest Keeper stink cloud
• Spore Lizard is poisonous
• Ghost Girl is repelled by shower
• Ghost Girl can be distracted by the goldfish
• Baboon Hawks will be scared by you screaming at them (technically is true but not how people think)
• Bracken always spawns in backrooms tile
• Rail cheese still being a thing
• v56 cheese spots still being a thing
• Fire Exit mimic mod being in vanilla

[sand magnet]

With the shower and baboon hawks I used to believe LMAO

[still oracle]

i still think the cabinet moving items for you is better to be described as a bonus that youd only do sometimes with it

i just happened to get it really early right nearby an area with a lot of things and the only other monster was the bracken (from lethal company)

[tame pelican]

stop overthinking it

[still oracle]

perhaps
a better way to make it more likely to actually use the cabinet for help
make it always go towards an AI node closest to the most loot on the map (that it can pathfind to obviously)

[still oracle]

in general
if the cabinet was actually fully vanilla
(which i want to preface, is genuinely entirely possible, its THAT good)
a majority of people will not read the bestiary entry
and even if they do, may not allude to the point of "rich said to let it do some heavy lifting if its following me"

thats unfortunately just how people are with lethal company

it rarely gets staple new players because the game "lacks information unless friends tell you" to a lot of people

people just dont care to pay attention to whats around them i guess

this wouldnt be the case if it was opposite

[manic helm]

well

that's not my problem to solve

[still oracle]

yes, i agree

but i also wouldnt say zeekerss has to change anything to be more obvious

[tame pelican]

yeah

[still oracle]

if a player doesnt care to pay attention to whats around them and learn how to properly utilize the information the game is giving them to play it

they might as well just not do so

dont let this demotivate you for the future

i absolutely adore the cabinet, and if you have plans for updates for it, or a future monster, i absolutely want to see it

[manic helm]

to have a future monster i would need someone to code it

AGAIN

[tame pelican]

that do be how that works

[manic helm]

THERE ARENT THAT MANY CODERS OUT THERE

[tame pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842200257537245188/1356328986464227429/lilchiikawa__-_1906578502549111087.gif

[manic helm]

Free coder is a once in a lifetime opprtunity it wont happen again

[cinder hawk]

ah shit

here we go again

[real falcon]

Can we get some therapy for the cabinet? It shouldn’t have to feel self conscious of its arms.

[quaint heart]

then why does it get angry when you open it, that's just its face

[real falcon]

Where do the arms go when it hides in its shell?

[quaint heart]

oh true

[manic helm]

I'm not gonna exploit you again

[cinder hawk]

i mean... you can still make a description of what you would want

exposing your idea

and if we really think about this seriously, well you first need a model with animations

[remote otter]

Omg, just tried this creature again...

I LOVE the new mechanic

I forgor how you say it

But the like, timer you have when you look at it, instead of it being instant

[cinder hawk]

when it just rewind into hidden position ?

[remote otter]

Before, if you even looked at him for just a nanosecond it would go mad

But now it has some kind of warning and timer before he gets mad

[cinder hawk]

that... always should had been the case o-°

[remote otter]

Well it wasnt when i tried in release hehe

[cinder hawk]

;_;

[remote otter]

I remember you added that later

In an update

[cinder hawk]

well, as long as you're happy now

[remote otter]

YES, THATS ALL THAT MATTER, ME BEING HAPPY, NO ONE ELSE CAN BE HAPPY JUST ME MUAHAHAHAHA

I will crush with a block of cheese to whoever gets happy

Only i can be happy

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[cinder hawk]

i made catnip it seems

[merry cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-cat-cat-stare-rigby-tongue-gif-12118654088387148905

[remote otter]

https://medal.tv/es/games/lethal-company/clips/l0N9J7FxfBOhnu_y2?invite=cr-MSxtQjcsNDI1OTMzMzU0&v=29
uhmmmmmmmm is cabby doing ok?

[still oracle]

thats just how it is

nothing out of the ordinary

[remote otter]

https://tenor.com/view/oso-lunaistabby-luna-tabby-cat-gif-15027269540619359771

[severe iris]

@cinder hawk Maybe you should have the sightline trigger box of the cabinet not follow the mesh? Just have it follow the origin point

[cinder hawk]

like jacu said : the area that must not be looked at is parented to the box, and thus when doing animations its sometime enough to enter/exit player view

[cinder hawk]

ill try butt i think i had made it that way for a reason if i remember correctly

[molten flint]

So I was with friend A and he died to The Cabinet near the main entrance. When Friend B goes inside through the main entrance, he sees scraps floating where Friend A died. I don't see anything there until Friend B picks up the scraps, and I see them in his hand.

[cinder hawk]

owno not item syncing

[faint elk]

I had a similar issue some time ago with a snare flea while exiting the fire exit so idk if it's a specific cabinet issue or just a general item desync.

[still oracle]

i just noticed a texturing issue on the top of the cabinet

[cinder hawk]

id need fran to reopen the project to get that fixed

[molten flint]

I never had this problem with snare fleas.

[faint elk]

Never had it happen before either, just that one specific time.

[tame pelican]

you mean the seam here?

[remote otter]

:0

Unplayable

[still oracle]

yes

[tame pelican]

shouldn't be super hard to fix

could use the blend brush on blender n you good

[mortal trench]

Funny cabinet bug go brrrr

[cinder hawk]

uhm

[mortal trench]

Yeah it started moving in its wind-up phase

[fathom shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-gif-9081116

[cinder hawk]

i just found out about this https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Turkeysteaks/CoronerTheCabinet/

[cinder hawk]

hey captain @manic helm !

i broke the mod !

[still oracle]

no, zeekerss did

[cinder hawk]

shhh

he dunoo

he must think that i am the baddie

[still oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170015657987948705/1421203814878543924/image0.gif

[cinder hawk]

i miss the vector treatment

[manic helm]

if you mean that you enjoy being a slave work on the deer

[cinder hawk]

thanks you ma lord

[thick heart]

wholesome

[remote otter]

love the happy endings

[peak apex]

@cinder hawk Just gonna forward this here since it's the same case for this mod :3

[cinder hawk]

ay thanks

i do have the fixed version here i am testing it before releasing

[peak apex]

Neat

[cinder hawk]

1.9.0

• Fixed for V73

...at least i hope

[remote otter]

carbinets

[cinder hawk]

There might be an issue that might be old

can other can test if that happen to them ?

here what to do :

• give self shotgun
• spawn cabnet
• make cabnet follow you by looking at it a bit
• while moving and not looking at it, shoot the gun (it should hit the cabnet if its close enough)
• borked

@still oracle lookin at u specifically

[severe iris]

The shotguns hitbox is wacky as hell

I think it's the same shit as the shovels, where it's just a giant pill that happens to extend behind you a bit

[molten flint]

Its an egg

For monster

[cinder hawk]

i am not talking about the hitbox being foocked up

it broke the cabnet into a state where its stand up and move fast but cant get angry

[severe iris]

Did you account for it being hit when a player isn't looking at it?

[cinder hawk]

well it shouldn't matter

im working on somethin else right now so i wont try to fix it today

except if someone find out that this is more broken than that

[severe iris]

Might not even have to fix it, super obscure bug

[cinder hawk]

haHA

i think i know whats happening

i think its because of this mess over thare

their is no link from walk to angry

also idk what the fuk Scabinet_Spawn is and especielly what its doing here connected to nothing

[cinder hawk]

1.9.1

• Fixed missing animation transition in the Animator
• Fixed the Cabinet moving while doing angry animation

[severe iris]

the missing spawn animation i imagine

[still oracle]

wesleys unhallowed update spoilers

[cinder hawk]

owno he didnt

[manic helm]

I think the cabinet's gameplay is suited a lot better to new dine than it is to rend

it opens up for some funky strategy like you either have one person and be able to use the cabinet easily but get fucked up by butlers
or have multiple people moving together which makes you safe from butlers but adds issues with coordinating not looking at the cabinet
the cabinet also works well with the low weight extremely abundant scrap that it could carry a lot of
because of this im considering making the cabinet common on dine instead of rend

what does everyone think?

[thick heart]

you can pile on mountains of meat on your new best friend!

[manic helm]

none of those words are in the bible

[cinder hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[remote otter]

Irrefutable evidence

[mint eagle]

Are you sure it is searching for the words individually and not the whole phrase?

[tame pelican]

and vibes too

[cinder hawk]

1.9.2

Some values have been changed in the config file, you may want to regenerate it.

• Changed default spawn weights for Rend and Dine
  • Rend 150 >> 25
  • Dine 20 >> 60

[tame pelican]

rend was 150???

holyy

[still oracle]

i mean

its not exactly a big issue

[tame pelican]

no but that's way higher than the other enemies there lol

[molten flint]

i thought enemies has a cap of 100

[merry cobalt]

Pretty much unlimited I think

Did you know?
If you set hoarding bug spawn weight to 300 on experimentation, set their spawn cap to 300, and set the indoor power to 300, something crazy will happen

[thick heart]

old percentages:
Experimentation = 1 - 0.44%
Assurance = 0 - 0%
Vow = 7 - 1.91%
March = 8 - 2.48%
Offense = 0 - 0%
Adamance = 12 - 2.87%
Rend = 150 - 26.55%
Dine = 20 - 18.87%
Titan = 80 - 12.64%
Artifice = 310 - 20.44%
Embrion = 40 - 11.2%
Default = 5 - ???%

rend's values are weird

so right now with dine being 60 it spawns way more then the cabinet on rend at its peak

the percentage is the main thing

Old
Rend = 150 - 26.55%
Dine = 20 - 18.87%
New
Rend = 25 - 6.19%
Dine = 60 - 44.44%

as you can see Dine has doubled while cabinets spawn around as much as masked and ghost girls do on Rend

[severe iris]

weights are relative
a weight of 150% means 15 times more likely than a weight of 10%

[cinder hawk]

uh ?

[runic bear]

hi all, I havent played this mod yet but i love the design for the lil guy so i did this (not sure where to put it so dont ban me pleasee)

[tame pelican]

this goes so fucking hard

this place is good to post but you can also post it over on #1311705257033732116 :D

[mint eagle]

Fan art when you have not even played the mod is crazy. I do agree the design is great though

[cinder hawk]

amazing

[manic helm]

i can hear it

[crimson yew]

(V73 spoilers i guess lol) ||what a helpful little guy||

[tame pelican]

love how you can tell it's stressed out

[crimson yew]

its fiiiiiine its fiiine

[cinder hawk]

hes cute

[manic helm]

Exactly as I intended ❤️

[real falcon]

Why are you getting the poor guy involved with murder?

[drifting gyro]

||is it really murder if they were already dead by the time you got there||

||more like graverobbing tbh||

[manic helm]

is it really graverobbing if the severed limbs might be still alive?

[drifting gyro]

have you seen them move or exhibit other signs of life

didn't think so

[manic helm]

the hearts never stop beating

and the limbs seem to be at teh very least perpetually in an early state of decay

[drifting gyro]

how does that work anyway, ik a human heart removed from the body can beat for a few minutes before it runs out of energy

[severe iris]

I love developing decomposition mechanics

[drifting gyro]

Where tf is that one getting energy from

[manic helm]

I WOULD THINK IT WAS FOR DEVELOPMENT TIME IF THE DAMN HEART WASNT BEATING

[severe iris]

someone put a battery in it obviously

[manic helm]

IT MEANS SOMETHING

[drifting gyro]

I don't think that's how that works

but assuming that's how that works, how is the battery still getting energy

[manic helm]

THEYRE BEING PRESERVED IN SOME WAY

[drifting gyro]

actually come to think of it ghosts canonically exist in lethal

i blame the ghosts

[severe iris]

it means
*glances at calendar*
habloween

[manic helm]

vro it was an update to update the unity version and the new scrap happened to be finished

[drifting gyro]

Still doesn't mean it's murder if the ghosts are haunting the body parts

[manic helm]

zeekerss has mentioned the new scrap on his patreon before

[drifting gyro]

they were already dead

[manic helm]

it seems he wanted to do that to SPECIFICALLY dine for a very long time
im 99% sure it's staying

even if it was habloween is staying
Exhibit A: GIANT FUCKING PUMPKIN

but that's besides the point
the point is it's NOT JUST BECAUSE OF "habloween"

[real falcon]

A giant skull connected by flesh and arteries hides inside a music box nearly half the size of itself.
Butlers are in a half decayed state being piloted by bees.
Theatre masks that possess and pilot your corpse.

There's so much messed up and abnormal with the mansions

[drifting gyro]

true that tbh

the body parts being haunted makes sense with that in mind

[real falcon]

the masked spew blood too

i notice a theme with gore

[merry cobalt]

Checks out

My first thought was ||oh, dine. Like dining on humans. I get it now||

[thick heart]

I like it being somewhat ambiguous if its cannibalism or if they were all killed by the butlers

[halcyon grotto]

Early in LC I always felt like Dine was more suited for supernatural stuff and "cozy" items (lamp, etc.) while Rend was moreso for facility.

But Masked not being on Dine and it favouring the facility threw that on its head.