Map Improvements [BETA]

[tribal portal]

i fucked up the directory

i put it in environment

should be fixed now

[forest plank]

epic

now I can take a break for the rest of the week and let all the bug reports flow in

[tribal portal]

pushed a fix for that i think

i made the object this exact path

i forgot to fix this tbh but on Assurance the ladder is called "Ladder1.5x (6)", is that a problem @forest plank

[forest plank]

let me check

Offense ladder is off, and Assurance ladder needs name Ladder1.5x

I can most likely fix the offense ladder in a patch

[tribal portal]

whats up with the offense ladder?

[forest plank]

different transform values

[tribal portal]

oh yeah

[forest plank]

probably somewhere in a parent

[tribal portal]

because the origin is different

i had to reposition it

[forest plank]

I can apply a global transform to it tho

[tribal portal]

so its ok?

ill fix the assurance ladder too but for the record its the same way

the origin is in the middle of the ladder

and i think for zeek the origin is like the bottom left

[chilly forge]

Was Experimentation A fixed

or was it working for you

[forest plank]

I didn't know what was up for you, but it is useable now with Rebalanced

[tribal portal]

How are you even moving the ladder to begin with

its part of a combined mesh

isnt that like

not possible

[forest plank]

I'm moving the trigger which isnt static

oops wrong reply but whatever

It should be fine I'll just wait a bit before pushing the update

Worst case I'll ask for the scene(s) if I'm having issues getting it fixed

[chilly forge]

Unfortunately not

Just disabled Rebalanced, and it's working again

It disappears the moment I enable RebalancedMoons

[forest plank]

The config description?

[chilly forge]

No, Experimentation A itself

It will not spawn with RebalancedMoons enabled

[forest plank]

Can you provide logs

Experimentation A should spawn if you have disabled Rebalanced Experimentation. If you have it enabled it should not spawn because the interior is culled

[chilly forge]

Nevermind, I just had to disable Experimentation's scene
Disabling it didn't work before the update, so I just didn't assume that it would work with the update

[forest plank]

Yeah that's what the update did

Checks for Rebalanced scenes

[chilly forge]

Nice

[subtle linden]

Can I have the door back on Experimentation?

[chilly forge]

LOL

Can't have shit in 41-Experimentation...

[subtle linden]

Actually took my door

[forest plank]

You can have your door back when you've eaten all your scrap

[subtle linden]

okay, but I struggle with the axels

[chilly forge]

Not a true maneater...

Tsk tsk tsk

[subtle linden]

No but my son is one

[chilly forge]

What the fuck is that

[forest plank]

womaneater

[chilly forge]

What mod does that come from, or is that just a frame of the maneater's intro animation

[short quartz]

Even better, give us V4 Experimentation

[chilly forge]

Although Zeekerss doesn't mind the v4 code being given out to non-Patrons Idk how he would feel about it here

[subtle linden]

It's clearly a polite boy

[short quartz]

God I hate how cursed that is

[chilly forge]

(I was a patron of his at one point, so I know this and the code. I'm not speaking out of my ass)

[chilly forge]

What the FUCK

GIRAFFE

[subtle linden]

I still remember how you hit him with a shovel

[short quartz]

I had to science to see if he could grow up

[chilly forge]

Why is his neck so LONGE

[subtle linden]

Those are not kind words to call my son

[subtle linden]

why is your neck so short

[chilly forge]

Who says giraffes are bad? What, are you a racist?

[subtle linden]

I'm not saying it like that!
You're the one commenting on physical appearance of my son

[chilly forge]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-kennedy-lets-take-a-look-resident-evil-re-re1-gif-1861111754343783039

[silver meteor]

hello, this happens on assurance

got rebalanced moons on as well

[north ledge]

Which is this Experimentation A? I'm wondering if I can just disable this in the config if so to get it to work in the meantime

I'm just guessing because I feel like i've heard chatter about Experimentation A more than others

[subtle linden]

No, this is Exp A disabled, you can tell due to the fact that the door interact is there

[north ledge]

Ok cool so as long as its not disabled this shouldnt occur then im assuming

[subtle linden]

with it disabled main entrance should be normal yes

[forest plank]

It happens because I forgot to check for Exp A when destroying the doors

If you have rebalanced enabled it won't happen

[forest plank]

Yeah I gotta work with Dopadream to get the ladders fixed

If you disable Rebalanced Assurance you won't have that issue

Same with Offense

[silver meteor]

awesome thanks

gotta ask, how likely is it that there are gonna be improved moons changes for other modded moons

saw solarius has it

but its yours

[simple wing]

Anyone can make improvements

The mod is a sort of tool to do so

There’s a written tutorial and everything

It’s kinda just that nobody’s really

Done so yet

[north heart]

idk if its known already but ladder on the back part of offense is broken

i do have rebalanced installed too

[forest plank]

Yeah Rebalanced ladders are slightly different than vanilla

[forest plank]

Unlikely that I make them, because it's easiest when you have the custom moon scene. The idea is that anyone can make it for their custom moons, with Solarius being the proof of concept for that

[timid grove]

why the fuck is it a baguette

[subtle linden]

every day biodiversity doesn't update he grows a millimeter

[timid grove]

bro bouta be 2 kilometers long by next update

[silver meteor]

i see thank you

cool ass mod

[forest plank]

Glad you enjoy

Only 4 more moons to improve, then I'll add more than 3 each

Most of those will be the existing ones broken up

But definitely some new ones too

Maybe I'll add a setting for choosing a number of fire exits

Idk I'm just throwing out ideas, not saying I'll definitely add them

Most likely any improvement with a fire exit will be broken up (if possible) for that fire exit specifically

[tribal portal]

just checking in; were you able to figure the ladder stuff out? do let me know if you need any help there

sorry for the trouble regarding that. those two ladders were part of combined meshes and splitting them was breaking their model (as you saw in a previous version)

i basically had to open the combined model in blender, cut everything but the ladder out, and export it as a new mesh

so the origin/scaling/transform of the ladder changed in the process and i had to manually move it around in the scene to fix it

[forest plank]

I've been busy with life things, I'll get around to it next week. I'll probably ask for the scenes so I can just add a specific transform for them

[tribal portal]

no worries

take care

[violet sail]

yoo, just wanted to say this mod brings back the feeling of total bewilderment when I leave the new fire exits I've not felt since playing the game new, it feels like the only mod out there that does it, I love this mod a looot ;D

makes just wondering around the maps exciting!

I did have an idea too; For Adamance, would it be possible to have a double-width bridge randomly spawn on the right for the cruiser? Wouldnt be too busted as there's not much space to turn it around at the facility end.. and could put holes in it for "not-great assets" to fall through when walking

[forest plank]

Glad you really enjoy the mod :)
I'll consider the wide bridge for Adamance D when I do get around to it, but right now I'm focusing on getting all the moons improved first

That's a LLL thing. I believe that issue should be resolved tho

[north ledge]

I've finally been able to enable Experimentation A scene with Rebalanced Moons Scene update! yay

[timid grove]

What was the setting that gave all map improvements an equal chance to show up? It's been a bit sorry 👉 👈

[forest plank]

Equal chance for all spawning together or just equal chance spawning period?

[timid grove]

Oh? you can get multiple???

[forest plank]

RandomAll gives all that aren't Disabled a 50/50 chance of spawning together, with the one you set to RandomAll being the base

RandomAny is that but only 1 of the others

RandomA/B/C is for specific ones

CombineA/B/C is guaranteed spawn together

And then Enabled is solo

Any ones that are not Disabled, Always, or Never have an equal chance of spawning (1/4 if Vanilla is Enabled, 1/3 otherwise)

[timid grove]

I think I'll have to check the config along w this message to make sure I understand all of it, thank you!!!

[forest plank]

The !Basics! has examples and tells you what each does in the description in case you need it in game/config editor

[forest plank]

vanilla game

there's lots of random objects just sitting out of bounds on the maps

[fleet trail]

I think your map improvement C for Solarius is broken because it makes the ship land here

[forest plank]

I'll take a look at it

[fleet trail]

Oh and I cant enter main

Also, I know this is not something you should care about because it's not a you issue but playing on Solarius with wider ship is kinda fucked lol. Enemies like masked cant path to ship and wil just stay stuck

Maybe a fourth map improvement could be made so the wider ship is better placed.
But I could understand if you don't want to do it

[forest plank]

AI cant enter ship on purpose

I can add an improvement that adds that

Idk about wider ship specifically

[north heart]

Offense’s back ladder behind the main building has the same issue, execpt you can see the extra ladder it has

I think it happens cause of how lethal company handles ladders on moons

I think, I’m not certain, but the gist I got from playing around in Unity was, it pulls the ladder asset from a folder/group like thing, rebalanced messes and changes that default ladder, so when map improvements pulls from the same folder/group it places those modified ladders down instead of the vanilla ones, and becomes incompatible

I could be dead wrong though, I’m not a Unity developer

I also believe the functional part of the ladder is separate from the model part, which is why it sort of has a phantom ladder effect where the model is there, but the collision and functionality of it is out of whack

(Someone please correct me if I’m wrong btw)

[north heart]

Moons sorta have a weird universal ladder system where all ladders on one moon pull from the same thing, not including interior, tool and ship ladders though

[north heart]

experimentation A's doors aren't synced across clients

[subtle linden]

Hey, just be happy you get doors

[north heart]

sometimes the doors dont generate at all lmao

[subtle linden]

Yeah, if you don't get Improvement A in exp the doors don't generate

[north heart]

sometimes iv had doors generating though?

oh wait

probably because I have the chance for vanilla experimentation to spawn turned on

[forest plank]

All these are known issues that will be fixed by the next update

[silk flicker]

what is that music from?

[silver meteor]

vanilla lc i think

[fleet trail]

this one I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XmBRGmuYxc&list=PLxA687tYuMWiA_xkejzhJzIuduHFpNlVa&index=6

[silk flicker]

that's almost it but it doesn't have the exact same instruments

[fleet trail]

yeah I just noticed that

[north heart]

It’s from a mod, sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner

Someone a while back made some VERY good tracks for lethal company that imo flew a little under the radar

To the point where I once thought the mod wasn’t working because the music sounded so vanilla

Let me grab it for you

[proven robin]

I have that music : D

It's one of the day theme made by LunarCama

[north heart]

Some of the music is remixes of the og soundtrack tho so I think that’s where the confusion comes from

Called more ambient music or smth like that

[proven robin]

from my mod LethalResonance

[north heart]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ballistictiger/MoreAmbientMusic/

[north heart]

This where I found it, idk if it went into resonance

If it did that’s pretty neato

[north heart]

Or visa versa idk

[north heart]

Which came first

[proven robin]

Here it is. AmbientMusic3 by @serene timber :]

[proven robin]

Can confirm is my mod, that music was made specifically for my mod

[north heart]

Weird then why does this exist

Or maybe I’m confusing audio tracks

And that one doesn’t have that

[north heart]

Sorry for the confusion mb

It had a yt video linked tho

And I think the songs may be different

And I could just be confusing the tracks

https://youtu.be/FCA8b0ovByw

[proven robin]

the music from this video is from my mod

[proven robin]

this one use other music made by BallisticTiger

[north heart]

Whoops I just confused the mods then that’s all

[proven robin]

and, at least on the video, it does not have the AmbientMusic3

no issues

[north heart]

Yeah that’s completely my bad for confusing the tracks

I didn’t know resonance added ambient music

[north heart]

So I just assumed any modded ambient music I had came from this

Which now we know was a wrong assumption

Whoopsies

[proven robin]

no issues

[fallow raft]

Haven't seen this till now but probs will try it out with a friend (maybe...) tomorrow

Seems nice!

[serene timber]

The way I made these tracks was listening to the vanilla OST and sorta remaking it with my own twists (instruments, chord progression, glitchy audio, etc). I'm the end, it's basically a completely different track, no so much a remix. I was very happy with the end result!

I will be making some more here soon too.

[tribal portal]

@forest plank dont bother fixing the doors with my scenes im gonna fix them so they're the same as the vanilla ones

i mean oop

ladders

not doors

xd

i actually found the vanilla mesh so i dont need to make a new one

[forest plank]

okie dokie

[tribal portal]

its called like Cylinder.001

[forest plank]

Me when Cylinder.001

[tribal portal]

hi narpy :3

[chilly forge]

Hi Dopah

[tribal portal]

also i removed the stupid doubled up fences and just edited the mesh lol

[forest plank]

hooray

But can you still walk around the right side of the fence?

[tribal portal]

idk, probably

i didnt change the box collider

[forest plank]

Nice

We love getting out of bounds

[tribal portal]

just offense

[forest plank]

what the snow

[tribal portal]

i tested assurance w/ map improvements installed and the ladder change seems to be working well

so yippee

[forest plank]

Thanks for adjusting for me lol

I'll be sure to adjust for you next

[tribal portal]

it was just bc i found the actual mesh for the ladder on accident

i assumed it didnt decompile with the game

[forest plank]

What mod are you using for the snowy Offense?

[short quartz]

Lethal Elements Beta lol

[flint quail]

Any chance there is a list of changes with text rather than pictures? Im kinda dumb and not able to really envision the change with the pictures and id rather not load into the moon over and over again to check each of the variants

[fleet trail]

In the config

[flint quail]

Thank you

I installed it last night to check it out, but didnt go into the config yet! But mod looks amazing

[forest plank]

I can also throw together a text file with every specific change for every improvement if you'd like

Hope you enjoy the mod :)

[flint quail]

I can go through the config and check em, but having a text file on the modpage would be cool

[flint quail]

I had a lot of fun with it last night, my buddies were wondering why i was freaking out about how much i love the extra additions to the vanilla moons lol

[forest plank]

I'll throw together a text file and share it here, as well as posting it in the mod next update

Always nice to hear how much fun people have with my mods :)

[violet sail]

I wonder what ideas you got for Titan...

I did think... with Titan being a kind of bunker, or a missile storage facility... I imagined a fire exit at the base could be like a long, straight tunnel with the fire exit on one end, and a big blast door on the other (like the Artafice doors)...

Sometimes the blast door is shut and can only be opened from the inside of the tunnel via a small control room, making a klaxon sound attracting dogs, folks gotta navigate through Titan then pick their moment carefully to open it.

Giants or dogs can spawn towards the end of the tunnel, imagine making it to a fire exit and looking down a long, poorly lit tunnel and seeing a black giant silhouette staring at you...

But if you got the cruiser you can turn the tables on em!

Design inspired by the underground sections of HL2 E1

[forest plank]

I try to keep the improvements as vanilla as possible, but I will definitely be adding both cruiser compatibility and more fire exit(s) to Titan

Still feel free to share ideas, I'll always take into consideration what the community would like to see

[high brook]

I do think that if you add more fire exits to titan they should be spaced out quite a bit

[forest plank]

Of course. I plan on greatly expanding the play area

[violet sail]

is it possible to make a giant, cruiser compatible elavator? a bit like the ones the mineshafts use but for the outside?

one of them on say... Adamance... Titan... etc could be fun, emergency lights turning on... alarms sounding as it fires up so gotta watch out for dogs...

would fit the industrial vibe, plus it'd give folks big buttons to push / levers to pull outside the facility which you know will be popular ;P

[forest plank]

I won't say it isn't possible, but unlikely

Embrion is next, then March/Titan, then Rend, so we'll see when I get to it

[violet sail]

Embrion's gonna be interesting... kinda a blank canvas, no?

[forest plank]

Yes, but I also need to make sure it's compatible with Rebalanced Moons

Dopadream got to Embrion first

[flint quail]

Aint it just random boulders? I wish you luck on that on making something compatible

[forest plank]

Haven't looked yet so idk

[chilly forge]

Rain goes through the Experimentation A's main entrance

[forest plank]

Must be a leak somewhere. They should have someone check that out

[chilly forge]

Maybe

[short quartz]

@forest plank Experimentation A is so peak, if we can get the Elevator to be functional and go down and have a main entrance door after using it we'll have reached everything needed to basically restore V4 Experimentation lol

[forest plank]

Glad you like it. The only problem is that the terrain is directly below that, so I'd have to replace the whole of the terrain to let it lower down

[short quartz]

Ah yeah true

Zeekerss put that terrain there when he got rid of the V4 stuff

Hopefully you can figure out how to get the doors to sync between clients at least lol

[forest plank]

Yeah, I've been putting that off because I haven't done anything networking related before so idk how to approach it lol

luckily its just a visual issue and not anything game breaking

[short quartz]

I do wonder if all the pipes and stuff from V4 could be restored

lol

[forest plank]

I can do more decorating, I just didn't really have good references / I wanted to get the update out without spending 2 weeks becoming an interior decorator

[short quartz]

Lmao fair

[forest plank]

That's why some of the rooms are still empty

I need to fix the leaky roof anyways

[north heart]

Is this a v4 screenshot or a recreation of it cause gah damn that’s nice

[tribal portal]

its a v4 screenshot

[fleet trail]

Why does this say LMB but you have to use E to open the door lol

[forest plank]

That's just how that door be: A liar

I guess the original was LMB

[brittle wyvern]

yeah it was LMB instead of E lol

and I think anything that would be LMB now was RMB but idk

Flashlight needed to use RMB to be turned on

[forest plank]

those doors will be replaced with synced ones eventually so it doesn't matter

[hushed fern]

Ill miss my imaginary doors

[violet sail]

For April fools day you could make then into the fire exit doors that eat people

[silver meteor]

exterior mimics

[strange yarrow]

Just open door and it's the company monster tentacle that grabs them and closes the door

[forest plank]

Here is a list of what each improvement does. I can explain further if you have questions/specifics

[flint quail]

Why conditionally add AI nodes?

And one of the offense variants removes ai nodes inside rocks?

just curious

[forest plank]

AI cannot normally get up to the facility on Experimentation, so I did not want to add the nodes inside for A unless C spawns

I didn't have much ideas for Offense C, I just tacked on navigation fixes to it. That's one that will definitely be split when I have all moons

[tribal portal]

oops wrong thread

@forest plank

[forest plank]

Thanks

never noticed how jank embrion terrain was

[forest plank]

Y'all wanna give me your Embrion ideas here?

[silk flicker]

comically large crystal in the middle

[north heart]

cave entrances that lead to fire exits?

like sorta

holes/tunnels in the ground kinda

idk if thats possible

changing the terrain to go down and stuff

[forest plank]

Holes aren't really my thing, as I have to replace the whole terrain to do that

[north heart]

Maybe

Mounds? That lead to holes?

So like

Terrain you add on top of the terrain

Which would have a cave entrance or smth

I’m just tryna think of stuff that appeals to the embrion lore

Could do broken old bird parts about too

Similarly to what the moon detritus has

I can’t really think of much

Design wise the only thing embrion has going for it is that it’s made of amethyst

Could just make the main building structure look better I guess

But I take it that’s already something you’re gonna do anyways

Or thingy thing is with rebalanced

I heard talk bout that I think

[north heart]

And there’s not a lot you can add onto that

Other than

Large crystals

Which your objects mod already does

[forest plank]

Definitely going to be changing main around

I hate how it is just plopped down there

[north heart]

Im like 90% certain the current main for embrion is just

Offense’s main

Drag and dropped

Without the ladder

I swear it is

[forest plank]

Yes, they're the same model

[north heart]

I fucking knew it

[forest plank]

same with most of the moons

[north heart]

Oh?

I didn’t know that tbf

I thought it was just embrion

I mean it’s the most apparent with embrion imo

Just cause it’s completely barren in every sense

A nice a idea might be making embrion into March 2 electric boogaloo

And just scattering some fire exits around the far corners of the map

Which honestly kinda sucks as an idea

But I think anything could make embrion better at this point

Literally anything would be better than what it currently is

[north heart]

Would help with it’s massive interior I think

Although I can’t remember if it had a large interior of if it’s just buttery that does that

[forest plank]

With the way the terrain is designed I'll be keeping things focused to where the main and fire already are

some stuff on the sides, but nothing behind ship

behind ship is too barren for anything interesting

[north heart]

Add a little man there

A jolly little fellow

Maybe a lobster

[north heart]

You have your work cut out for you honestly

Embrion just sucks to add anything to

I’m sure there’s some creative ideas that I’m just not thinking of rn

For a moon with such a unique gimmick compared to the rest of the game, it really lacks anything else in every other aspect

[forest plank]

I have a few already, but I need to make them worthwhile and not just "New fire exit and some rocks"

I'll definitely be aiming for larger improvements than what I did with Assurance

[north heart]

Assurance is in my top 2 for favourite improvements 😛

I love the alternative main building

I think adamance is my favourite out of all of them

That being said, haven’t seen everything, idk what changes vow really has, for being my favourite vanilla moon I seem to just never go there in modded

[forest plank]

I actually really like the Assurance improvements (I wouldn't have published them if I didn't). But Assurance was one of my lazier ones when designing

[north heart]

Ahhh fairs

I’m mean

Chalk it up to assurance not needing much else

It’s not a moon that’s really lacking in many ways

And you still somehow made it even better

[forest plank]

Adamance was what started the whole mod so I put the most effort into it

[north heart]

Rightfully too, adamance sucks ass base game

I tried to like it

I literally can’t

I can’t go back to looking at vanilla adamance

Shits an eyesore

Vow is the best green moon 🙏

And will always be the best green moon

[forest plank]

Vow A is my favorite out of all the Improvements

Vow B & C are kinda lackluster tho

[north heart]

Remind me what vow A does again 😭

I remember one changed the dam into another rickety bridge

Which I find quite funny

[forest plank]

Adds a fire exit in the alleyway next to main

[north heart]

Ohhhhhh I remember now

[forest plank]

It's a very beautiful and serene place I made

[north heart]

People gotta do shit like that more in mods

Like idk if I’m thinking of the same thing

But

In vanilla, vow has the alley way with all the bushes and vines

Like

Idk how to explain it but it’s just good

I like when it’s expanded upon

[forest plank]

It's nice to have respite from the horrors of the company

[timid grove]

uh uhmm uuh uuuuh

[north heart]

Very much so

Sub systems

Has a really nice tile

With those same vow vines

Next to the stair case on vow A

I can’t type tonight lowkey

[north heart]

All over the ceiling

With like coming through a hole

Absolutely scrumptious

That vibe needs to be done more often

[forest plank]

Is it spamming nav agent errors?

[timid grove]

nope

also woah this is pretty

(same round btw)

[north heart]

We need more pipes

Waiter waiter, more pipes on experimentation A please!!

[forest plank]

They're coming with Embrion update

Once I figure out what to do for Embrion

[north heart]

HUZZAH

[north heart]

There’s like nothing in the embrion lore to go off of either for many ideas

Cause it’s all like

To do with the old birds

Which y’know are just kinda there already

And the network of caves

Which isn’t visible from the surface

I was about to suggest random containers scattered about

But

That might be a good idea for new map objects

For your other mod

Like the same containers from Gordion

[forest plank]

I did try containers as Custom Objects because I made the models for the Company improvements, but it was too janky

[north heart]

Ahhhh fairs

I guess they are relatively large

[forest plank]

Large objects do not work well with the spawning

[north heart]

I mean it’s a miracle the rib cages even work in that case

Love the rib cage

A large skull could be a good custom object

Or like not even a large one even

[forest plank]

Ribs don't look too off when they spawn weird, but the cabin has to have the massive foundation so it doesn't

[short quartz]

Hopefully we can get the terrain under the Elevator removed and get the Elevator functional too, so you can ride it down and have the main entrance for the facility be at the bottom

[north heart]

Just a stereotypical bison skull on canyon moons

Well actually maybe not

That implies bison exist on the moons

[short quartz]

Even if it works the same as the Mineshaft Elevator and doesn't work the same as the V4 one I will be so happy

The V4 one had a lot of bugs and trying to recreate that one without issues might be a challenge

[north heart]

I’d say when you get that far you could ask the LC office or synthesis dev for their elevator

But

[forest plank]

I don't know how far I'll go into recreating v4 like that tbh

[timid grove]

I don't hate it personally cuz like the walk's already long to get to main but it'd be cool yeah

[north heart]

I’m pretty sure LC office would implode

[short quartz]

True Kite basically recreated it for Zeranos lol

So it's possible

[timid grove]

making elevator's isn't that hard anymore since the cruiser and mineshaft exist now I think

[north heart]

And idk where the synthesis elevator came from

[north heart]

True

But the mineshaft one works differently is all

[fiery seal]

idk if the elevator should get that much functionality

[north heart]

Zeranos is so cool honestly

[short quartz]

I just like the thought of Experimentation having as close to a v4 restoration as possible

It really adds to the moon and makes it feel less bland

[north heart]

How’s it gonna work with the main corridor

Cause

It slowly gets wider as you get further in

Iv always found that quite weird

Surely it would be changed no?

[fiery seal]

tbh i dont think experimentations bland

[north heart]

I think it’s one of the most fleshed moons there is

[short quartz]

In Vanilla you only really play it a few times and never touch it again, especially when doing High Quota runs

[brittle wyvern]

I just think it's a little weird that the empty space of the elevator is what you interact with for the main entrance

[short quartz]

It's a fantastic moon just spawns almost no loot

[fiery seal]

well yea

its the first moon

[north heart]

Speak for yourself 😛

I always revisit it if iv already got enough scrap to make quota

And I don’t wanna risk even more

But that’s cause I play solo a lot

[forest plank]

I didn't really know what to do for the elevator when making it. I'll definitely be making it better since I'm already going back to add in more pipes

[brittle wyvern]

yeah that's understandable

[forest plank]

Maybe when I start making D E F etc I'll make an Experimentation one that makes the elevator actually work

[forest plank]

I went through the effort to carve a hole in the terrain but forgot to remove the shaft floor

[short quartz]

I'm so excited to see the Elevator work though, you got this

[forest plank]

It'll be a long time before I'll do this fully. I should focus on the other 4 moons first. I'll probably make v4 restoration its own mod because it's very much its own thing

[short quartz]

[violet sail]

YOOO
I just played on Dine improved for the first time and holy crap, it's fantastic! The bridge behind the ship... the "2 layers" verical play the map now offers... the amazing enterances... but for me the best part is how much cozier it is to drive the cruiser on with the fences by the old fire exit, thank you so much!!!

no longer do I have to drive at a snail's pace eeking around that tight corner especially when its pitch black, and there are giants sculking about

my oooony potential crit is... the right side of the map, with the lights, is still very default feeling! are there some steps / pathways folks can use to get up to the tops of the hills to get to the fire exits?

itd be worth going out of the way for em

[forest plank]

I may do that, but Rebalanced and Tonight we Dine add fire exits to the right, so you can add those mods to make the right more interesting for now

[flint quail]

Bees got detached from their hive without any interaction on modified artifice

[forest plank]

Unfortunately that's just something that can happen in vanilla

not much I can do to fix it

[flint quail]

Fair enough

i thought maybe it spawned on a spot with no ai node or something so thats why i sent it here

[forest plank]

Nah the bees just didn't spawn right. There's probably a mod out there to fix that

[barren bobcat]

If you want to make an infinite one then gl with it

I put my time to make it work in Zeranos and it was horrible

[forest plank]

I'll figure out that elevator stuff IF I do end up making it, but I was just planning on using the mineshaft elevator prefab to take you down to a better entrance area

Main focus rn is finishing the other 4 moons

then I can go and recreate v4

Of course

[sacred glade]

so i wanted to make it so each modification had an independent chance to occur when landing on a moon, so you could possibly end up with any combination or none of them, should I set them to “RandomAll”?

[forest plank]

RandomAll with Vanilla enabled if I'm reading right

So you have a chance to get none with Vanilla, and then a chance of 1-3 spawning

[sacred glade]

yeah that sounds right, just wanted to be sure. thank you!

[eager sphinx]

Hey, I noticed that the hole near the entrance elevator like thing (In Experimentation Type A) will tp a player straight to the ship upon falling in it. I highly doubt that is intended and makes the map too easy. I hope it gets fixed whenever you have the time 🙏

[forest plank]

Shhhh that's a secret

It's actually just the oob trigger code not killing you if you're not in the facility. It is being swapped out for an actual kill trigger in the next update

[eager sphinx]

Thanks! 😭

[forest plank]

Surprised it took so long for someone to figure it out

[eager sphinx]

Lol, I dropped an app down there since I was about to leave the game and I figured it would just go down with it

[forest plank]

Exploit it while you still can

[hollow river]

i'd like to use just the extra fire exit change in experimentation, but it causes the main entrance door to still disappear, with its interact trigger still where it would normally be. can this be fixed to put the door back there? and would it be possible to remove all the unused "interior" parts if it isn't enabled in config?

[forest plank]

The doors is just a visual bug. If you want the interior of Experimentation gone use Rebalanced Moons

[tribal portal]

@forest plank just out of curiosity

what happens to this when you delete the dam

is it just on the ground

[forest plank]

it might just be floating there idk

[tribal portal]

xd

[forest plank]

I actually have no idea I just booted up a fresh save to see and I couldn't find it

[subtle linden]

This might be the thing that threw the error about a log

[forest plank]

Mayhaps. I can do some testing around with it

Have you had any issue since then tho?

[subtle linden]

I sadly removed the mod for now since I had stuff from other mods spawn under/in the ramp on experimentation, and I'm using Lethal Elements so the changes do not play nice with the snow added in that

[forest plank]

Strange, I have no issue with Lethal Elements

was it snow on Experimentation specifically?

[subtle linden]

It was most of the new additions, the ramp on exp, the concrete additions on Adam and such

[timid grove]

I did have some goofy stuff happen w the ramp variation of exp

an eyeless dog spawned inside the wall next to the second fire exit

[forest plank]

The spawning in walls is just a Lethal company thing

Not much I can do about that, there's colliders and no nav mesh in those areas

But I have not had any issue with Lethal Elements

And I can't seem to get any errors regarding the log

[subtle linden]

Not issues as in anything breaks, issues as in the snow does not show up on the ramp itself

so everything else is affected by the weather but the new additions do not receive it

and another note, in rainy weather the ramp will generate quicksand, but there is no render showing the quicksand

[forest plank]

so the snowfall seems to only apply to the terrain, and only the dusting texture is applied to objects

I can see if I can fix that, but that may need an overhaul of where/how I'm spawning the improvements

you can see how this applies to vanilla too, as the snow isnt actually on the concrete

[subtle linden]

I'm not entirely sure what the requirements are for snow and such to be able to register but I know custom moons that have been set up correctly do work, and tbh I'm not expecting MI to have that compatibility so please don't spend way to long if it's something basically impossible or just not worth the time

[forest plank]

I would like to at least fix the ramps on Exp and Off so it doesn't look too weird with snow

[subtle linden]

I forget if snow accumulates on stuff like the pumpkins but it does I assume you might be able to get it to work

[forest plank]

It does not

[subtle linden]

Ah well then I guess unless v0xx makes snow accumulation possible on assets like that it won't happen to the ramp either

[forest plank]

Low priority issue unfortunately

[timid grove]

spawn blockers could help? idk, but that's fucked up that that's vanilla lmao

also idk if I ever said this but I'm the n1 cesspool fan

top 5 moons of all time for me

[forest plank]

Glad you love Cesspool so much. I think you mentioned it at some point in this thread

I do need to update my moons to fix some issues

[forest plank]

I've spent so long trying to make Embrion improvements perfect and I just know that someone is gonna post a pic of the one place where I messed up the geometry and be like 🤓

I'd love to get this update out soonish, just updating you guys

[eager sphinx]

Nah your good! We look forward to it, no worries and no rush

[fiery seal]

cover it with unity default cube

[violet sail]

will this mod alone make embrion actually worth going to? or would it still be a joke lol

[hushed fern]

embrion is still untouched atm

[forest plank]

The mod doesn't touch the loot tables of moons, just adds some variety to the outside. Embrion will just look nicer, not be nicer

I'm currently working on Embrion

[violet sail]

idk about "being nicer", the fire exits on Adamance are 👌 and go a long way to make the gameplay less about abusing physics bugs on it lol

still am imagining you putting in so much effort to beautify the location and make it as detailed and in depth as possible and after indiana jonesing past a dozen old birds, you get in and find its a tatered metal scrap only day.... not that im complaining I know there are mods out there :P

[forest plank]

You'll probably go to the moon just to see the improvements, but only return to troll after that. The risk/reward and cost of Embrion is just too imbalanced for some fun outside decor and new fire exits to fix, unlike other moons where a new fire exit really helps

or new paths

[brittle wyvern]

Closest to make Embrion playable is prooobably ButteRybalance?

If not changing interior ‘yourself’

[forest plank]

Embrion kicking my ass because I decided to go overboard with the details and now I technically have 5 Improvements because I had to make them compatible with each other

It may be the only moon that I don't add more improvements to in the future

I'm fulfilling the requests of the people and making Embrion cooler

You asking for a sneak peak?

Here's a better main from B

Spot the difference challenge

I'm just kidding that's barely what B changes do not worry

I have no idea when I'll get this finished but hopefully within the week

banned

[timid grove]

sounds fucking awesome

[timid grove]

OH PEAK

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887547482509291550/959752676273426495/98F041E6-737A-4F1C-880B-3D57823A1D03.gif

[silk flicker]

but what about the other variants...

[forest plank]

What about them?

[silk flicker]

i wanna see em

[forest plank]

What part would you like to see

[silk flicker]

yeah

[forest plank]

I wont send more previews because I will try to get this out Friday, maybe Saturday

[fiery seal]

i want the experi building and cruiser path to always be selected, is this how???

[forest plank]

C doesn't need to be Combine. If you always want it you can set it to anything besides Disabled or Never

[fiery seal]

also despite putting A to always, the main entrance is always in the same spot

[forest plank]

Do you have Rebalanced Experimentation enabled?

[fiery seal]

what does that mean?

like from rebalancedmoons?

[forest plank]

Yes. Is Rebalanced Moons Experimentation scene enabled?

[fiery seal]

oh i never realized rebalancedmoons had a experimentation scene

[forest plank]

Since the scene removes the building interior I have to disable Exp A if you have it active

[hollow river]

wait so if i have rebalanced moons' experimentation active, can i have the extra fire exit from this mod active too?

[forest plank]

Yes. Only A is affected. B is untouched, still providing the new Fire Exit

[hollow river]

cool, thanks

[proven robin]

ok, this is... interesting (Experimentation, only option B enabled)

[forest plank]

Rebalanced moons installed?

I don't touch the crane/ladder

so it may be a ladder that Dopadream missed

[proven robin]

oh

gotcha

[forest plank]

Update will be out tomorrow, I just have to update all the mod page stuff and get screenshots

[forest plank]

Just making a list for known issues I the mod still has

• Doors are desynced (Fix later)
• LethalElements snow hates me (Unlikely fix)
• Experimentation Kill trigger (Fix later)
• Plant's shadows are of mesh not material (???)

[eager sphinx]

The map thing on experimentation is still present or you talking about a diff one?

[forest plank]

what map thing?

[eager sphinx]

The hole in experiementation inside the building

Oh wait you said kill trigger

[forest plank]

yea that hole needs a kill trigger not the oob trigger I'm using

[eager sphinx]

Oh so that is what you was talkin' about?

The tp hole lol

[forest plank]

Yes. That will not be fixed in today's update

[forest plank]

Uh oh, looks like v0.9.6 is now available! As always I recommend going to the moon to experience it first yourself before you look at/read what the improvements do. Enjoy :)

Go nitpick every incorrect piece of geometry

[hollow river]

the embrion tweaks are really good! the only issue i found so far was that i can hear the main entrance hum sound at this point:

also ||do the hunched over old birds with the spotlights on, become real old birds later?||

[forest plank]

No, they're losers

And the audio is actually just over there. I thought about moving it but I didn't end up doing that

[thorn adder]

I like the new embrion stuff but the shades on the new rocks are very noticeable.

[tribal frigate]

is it meant to look like this

[forest plank]

It is the same material as the rest of the map. I don't know why it would look different

[forest plank]

I will patch up some of the issues with Embrion in the next update, so I can look into fixing this

I know of some geometry errors to fix as well

But please continue to share any bugs or issues you guys find

[chilly forge]

Wtf

https://tenor.com/view/confused-awkward-stare-meme-tiktok-gif-27027454

Incompat /w Chameleon's fancy main entrance doors

Great changes to Embrion though

It feels a lot more unique now

[forest plank]

god damn it I forgot to do chameleon checks

I thought about adding another tunnel in that valley in front of ship but I was so tired of placing hundreds of YTileNBlockers I elected not to

If people want more caves let me know

[chilly forge]

There's also still no delay to Experimentation A's doors

[forest plank]

If it isn't in the patch notes it hasn't been fixed

[chilly forge]

I know, I was just reminding u

[forest plank]

I know

[chilly forge]

I completely forgot about the desync, which I wasn't referring to

[timid grove]

YAAAAY

is the changelog in the ts page?

[hollow river]

yes

[timid grove]

https://tenor.com/view/roof-gif-6048153495728716200

[forest plank]

The full list of changes is also in the zip as a text file. I should also share that here

[chilly forge]

Perceive

[hollow river]

the doors seem to be missing from dine's main entrance

[forest plank]

Strange, because I haven't touched Dine

[hollow river]

nevermind, reloaded the save and now here they are

[forest plank]

weird

[forest plank]

It means I need to release an update for Solarius Improvements

It's for people making their own improvements, which as far as I am aware is nobody

[proven robin]

I think something is not right on Assurance, the expanded entrance

[forest plank]

Uh oh

rip collision

[cinder dew]

in my opinion, embrions changes are not improvements to it
they make the og fire exit harder to use since old birds have better clarity from below the hill to see you, and you cant hide from them as well as you can in vanilla around it
and main entrance is not any better to attempt to play also

and its not even necessarily the fact the entrances are changed to caves, its just there is still no where to hide from old birds away from them, besides rocks around the path back from fire exit; as well as some by the ship, and youre forced out into the open more

the problem with embrion was never exiting the entrances, it was always the fact it was nion impossible to stealth around the old birds outside, due to there being very few good map props to do so

second fire exit is ok i guess

[chilly forge]

Issue with Embrion B: Embrion B overrides ButteryFixes' BigMachine soundscape location, and moves it back to where it was in vanilla, instead of where it should be: the main entrance.

Wait

@tribal portal I use your Embrion scene as well

It's either of you doing it

[tribal portal]

what

i dont move anything on embrion in the current version

so its not me

OH

wait the soundscape t hing

yeah i fixed it but thats not released

i fixed bigmachine on all my scenes

[chilly forge]

Will it be in the next update

[tribal portal]

yea

[chilly forge]

Cool!

[forest plank]

I will most likely come back to embrion to add more caves like I said

It's very hard to polish a turd

[chilly forge]

Why's this here

[silk flicker]

feels like it

[proven robin]

players on my modpack newest update are reporting that Assurance have some invisible walls and traspassable terrain

this is the config on Assurance

[hollow river]

If you're never gonna use one of the changes it's better to set it to Disabled instead of Never

[proven robin]

yeah, I don't understand that

[hollow river]

Disabled will completely prevent it from loading but Never gives it an opportunity to load if something else call it via random or combined

[proven robin]

gotcha

[hollow river]

Doesn't really answer your question though

I'll have a look at assurance later to see if it does have something there

[forest plank]

I don't know why Assurance broke with this update because I didn't touch it at all

[tribal portal]

could be my fault

let me check

yep

[tribal portal]

this is my fault bruh

i accidentally left colliders on some of the vain shroud blockers

sorry; hotfix in a sec

[forest plank]

yippee

I do need to fix the rock colliders tho that one's my fault

[tribal portal]

also

btw

i need to let you know

while i did fix the checks for your chameleon stuff

i think you still did something wrong, because its just moving the fancy doors to the world origin point on the embrion cave thing

like i freecam under the map and its at 0,0,0

[forest plank]

I don't know how I managed to get the Dine one to work

[tribal portal]

i can look into it

[forest plank]

I was lazy and didn't bother doing tests

I'll try to get March done quick and get that update out with these fixes

Give me March ideas other than more fire exits because it has enough

[tribal portal]

lol

i accidentally left a collider on rend

you cant enter the building

GG

[forest plank]

how did no one notice that

[tribal portal]

i released really late

so

[forest plank]

I guess Rend really fell off

[hollow river]

Can't have shit on rend

[tribal portal]

@forest plank embrion A is the cave one

right

orr

wait no wasnt it b

[forest plank]

A is cave, B is left Fire, C is back Fire

[tribal portal]

ohh right

ty

im doing this

for my chameleon stuff

[forest plank]

are you adding that or is that in currently?

[tribal portal]

its like that currently minus the if check for your mod

but ive verified this works

[forest plank]

epic less work for me

I did think about having the doors be the mineshaft doors instead

[tribal portal]

btw

something that could help with performance a lot in your mod

gameobject.find is run a lot, if you can find some unused tag to tag all of your improvement objects and then do GameObject.FindWithTag instead it would help with hitches a ton

like one of these

[forest plank]

Yea I have done that with some of them

[tribal portal]

ah

[forest plank]

but a lot of things in the scene are untagged

I try to use things like Carpet or Puddle

I don't know if you've scoured through every line of code

I can go through and polish up some of the finds in the next update too

[tribal portal]

oh god

you really need to work on the artifice variant that adds the water volumes

they extend beyond the dams and one of them even extends nearby the ship

you can drown just by walking into the wrong areas

also the water shader looks like it has the wrong settings

[forest plank]

dam

pun intended

[tribal portal]

hehe

[forest plank]

you didn't touch the terrain did you?

[tribal portal]

well

i flattened the terrain here

so you can go into the fire exit

but this is on the other side of the map

[forest plank]

yea ok

lots of fixes to made with this update

[tribal portal]

also you should use this :3 #1308174824505479290 message

[forest plank]

Embrion is cursed

also that water shader is copied from the flooded mat

[tribal portal]

weirdd

i guess the flooded mat is different from the water actually used in moons

but it looked strange

[forest plank]

not from a bundled shader, because I started this project before the project patcher could rip the water material

[tribal portal]

it still really cant

it rips it incorrectly

which is why i made tha

[forest plank]

Aside from the bridge have you done anything to March?

[tribal portal]

i moved one of the fire exits and added a water tower

[forest plank]

Okie dokie

[tribal portal]

the hell

ok idk i think this might just be some bug with imperium

it was fine but when i flew into the water and then back to the ship it was like this

[forest plank]

I think things kinda break if you teleport

[tribal portal]

i didnt teleport

i used the like

double jump flight thing

but i guess that breaks stuff too

[forest plank]

Classic Imperium

[tribal portal]

oh hey i have a super nitpicky request at some point, but i dont really understand your code super well so idk how feasible it is

my artifice building has like a custom material applied to it, should be material[0], if you could somehow clone the material and put it on the new building you add that would be really cool lol

i also need to make another PR i tihnk because this cube shouldnt be here D:

[forest plank]

Yea I noticed when looking at Embrion and I'll probably copy that and have the building swap out with rebalanced checks

The cube is Art A iirc

[tribal portal]

unity explorer is so nice

and you're nice for organizing your shit well

lol

[forest plank]

I hate when devs don't organize their hierarchies

[tribal portal]

alr its cube (5) on the concrete tag

give me a sec

[forest plank]

It's there because the og facility ends before reaching the terrain and it bothered me, so I extended it a little

[tribal portal]

yeye

[faint granite]

based mod devs

[timid grove]

found an oob bug on the artifice improvement with the dams

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jS0dcr79pBqwgLNVK?invite=cr-MSxGVEMsMjYyMzg4OTQxLA

also small criticism I feel like the floor on the added warehouse landing spot for the other improvement could be... tweaked a little

I can see some gaps in the floor and some weird ridges

if you made it a hill with the normal ground texture and some bushes or fallen over power lines I feel like it'd look a lot better, imho

[forest plank]

The ridges are the slightly different heights of the meshes to prevent z fighting

[timid grove]

ye but then there's still this right here

[forest plank]

I thought I had the drown trigger covering the whole area but I'll extend it

[timid grove]

also, I added Ogopogo on artifice just cuz I really love the dam improvement heheh

and I can also see some... weird purple dots everywhere when I have imperium on, which is weird

never seen anything like it

[forest plank]

No clue with the missing materials in Imperium

[timid grove]

there's also this thing I imagine you already know where this floor thing just kind of, doesn't extend all the way... It looks kiinda weird? but if it's intended (I imagine it is) I won't bug ya about it

[forest plank]

I'll see if I can make the warehouse feel & look good on a hill instead

[timid grove]

maybe!

[timid grove]

Also found the source of the issue here

[forest plank]

Seems like I need to go back and polish all the previous Improvements

[timid grove]

most of em are really good!

I've played with most improvements

I think the ones I haven't tried yet are embrion and dine

as a big art fan I'm just a lil picky

[forest plank]

Fair

Luckily it's all customizable just for you

They just need minor tweaks or bug fixes

[timid grove]

ye!!

btw is the dam improvement the same as the one that adds the extra fire exit?

[forest plank]

Yes: C

[timid grove]

neato!

[silk flicker]

what happens if it spawns while the dam improvement is off

[timid grove]

nothing cuz there's no water on the map normally

it just doesn't spawn

[hexed forum]

one thing about the config, what do the "always" "randomall" etc mean

[hexed forum]

what should i pick for everything if i want everything have a chance to be

[fleet trail]

RandomAll if you want a 50% chance to spawn each other Object when one object is selected

it's written above

[forest plank]

Not a fan? I tried to use them as markers for the entrances

I think if you're going to Embrion you probably know how old bird work

But I can move them into their own improvement

[lavish bolt]

are there any req that arent on the thunder page

[forest plank]

As far as I am aware only Lethal Level Loader (and its dependencies) are required, and that is only for the Improvements that add in fire exits. If you're having issues I can look into it

[lavish bolt]

i got it lol, it just wasnt loading the first time i went to exp for some reason

[forest plank]

Did you have Vanilla enabled in the config? You may have gotten the vanilla map, which means no Improvements spawn

[lavish bolt]

probably

[forest plank]

Can you send me where this is because the triggers are all contained in the water area

[tribal portal]

didnt we already conclude it was imperium being weird

i was flying around and stuff

[forest plank]

Was it? I thought this was a different instance

That's good then one less thing I have to do

[tribal portal]

yeah i think ur good

[forest plank]

Found what happened with this: Artifice terrain just has a big hole there and you fell into it

[timid grove]

yeh, I pointed that out here iirc #1325899802503811172 message

[forest plank]

I thought it was something I did

[timid grove]

nah yeah I assumed it was just some assurance terrain

same happens on Adamance if you ever do a similar thing btw

[forest plank]

I think Rebalanced fixes most holes on maps but I do try to add fixes as well

[hollow river]

oh god

u reminded me of the first time i ever went to adamance

i gotta find the clip

[hollow river]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/28OsuxZVD7G3Fb?invite=cr-MSxoRXEsMjA5ODQzMzg2 not exactly what you're talking about but a somewhat similar scenario

[timid grove]

LMAOOO

now you just die if that happens

it's so fucking funny

[hollow river]

damn 😔

[hollow river]

clip was on april 21 2024 so i guess that change happened after the initial v50 release

[timid grove]

ye

[stuck oracle]

Is that what it means? I thought "RandomAll" meant it had a 50% chance for it to spawn all 3 at the same time, not a 50% chance individually for every other variation.

[fleet trail]

Thats literally whats written in the config, I copy pasted it

[stuck oracle]

I'm just confused by the wording, I apologise. I'm still unsure if it means setting A to RandomAll means if you'll see A, AB, AC, and ABC, or if it just means you only see A, and ABC.

This was my assumption of how it worked, and how I could get every combination possible. Setting everything to RandomAll on Assurance seemed to only net me all three variant together or Vanilla with no inbetween (unless I got really lucky in those 20 tries). I apologise if I misinterpreted it, getting some clarification on this would be helpful.

[forest plank]

RandomAll flips a coin for each other object to spawn

So it has a chance to spawn as A, AB, AC, ABC

The 50/50 is per object

RandomAny is a 50/50 for 1 other object

[stuck oracle]

Thank you, I think I confused myself by assuming it behaved the same way as CombineAll, that's my bad.
In that case, is there any setting that allows for every combination? I've been going to Assurance over and over, and having RandomAll set for all 3 just seems to give me all three with almost no variation. The same kind of behaviour happened with the settings in the screenshot, where it seems like I can't get a combination where the main entrance isn't also paired with the rocky path for the cruiser. If I'm being stupid about this, or just stupidly lucky, I really am sorry

[forest plank]

RandomAll is supposed to give the most variety so I think you've just been (un)lucky

[stuck oracle]

Fair enough, I'll keep grinding away at it in the meantime

[stuck oracle]

I ran Assurance 20ish times in this video, with A, B, and C set to RandomAll and it's exhibiting the behaviour I reported. I could be severely misunderstanding something, but it's very strange to me that I got the alternate main entrance 20 times in a row.
If it helps, here's the profile code, though I doubt anything should be interfering with it: 0195a58c-9788-26c3-4c2e-9d33cc22ae49
If this is intended behaviour though, then I'll leave it at that, I apologise for harping on it 🙏

[forest plank]

If you had included the seeds I could have checked what should be spawning

[stuck oracle]

Damn, I paused my recording each time so I don't even have footage of the seeds 😔 oh well.

[forest plank]

I'd say if you dont want to see the modified main as often but still want to see it occasionally set it to Never and leave the other 2 as RandomAny/All

[stuck oracle]

I'll definitely do that for now yeah. I mainly just want to see an equal amount of all the variations, along with their combinations, so I don't get used to one change being too dominant.

[forest plank]

I should probably swap Disabled & Never because that seems confusing

Disabled never spawns but Never can spawn from another

[timid grove]

ye thats mainly what I want out of map imp

[forest plank]

Should I make a setting for that? Even 12.5% chance for each combination?

A, B, C, AB, AC, ABC, BC, Vanilla?

[stuck oracle]

I'd certainly advocate for that 🙏

[timid grove]

I would love that ye

[forest plank]

Would we prefer I release an update with only patches or wait until I finish March Improvements?

[hollow river]

i'd say patches

[flint quail]

^

[eager sphinx]

^

[hexed forum]

^

for me, i get the experimentation longer route 100% the time and i just set everything to randomall

[timid grove]

the one with the interior section?

I used to all the time until I installed rebalanced moons

[stuck oracle]

Thinking on it more, that option plus that same one but excluding Vanilla would also be good, in case someone wants the guarantee of at least one variation

[timid grove]

FullRandom and FullRandomNoVanilla would work as names if spookybuddy goes that route

[fleet trail]

Wouldn't unchecking "vanilla" do that?

[forest plank]

Yeah that's what I'll do

[hollow river]

Forgot to ask, will the patches include a fix for artifice's extra fire exit being weird when rebalanced moons' artifice override is active

[forest plank]

Yes

[hollow river]

Awesome

[tribal portal]

why is that happeneing btw

are they trying to use the same exit name

or something

[forest plank]

I don't know because as far as I remember I had no issues with Dine

[tribal portal]

really weird

i didnt mess anything up though, i gave it the proper exit id and everything

[forest plank]

Yea don't worry I'll add a check on my end

just find all entrances and adjust accordingly

[forest plank]

Do we want Green path as well or is that too easy?

[timid grove]

might be too easy

[forest plank]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

Plus I don't want to spend another day perfectly crafting another cave

[flint quail]

how does the ai handle caves?

i was thinking it'd be really cool to have caves but i was worried it might work like it does with some interiors like the main entrance on manor and wesley's grand armory

where they kinda just float to the next ai node

[forest plank]

It has a medium space modifer so big enemies can't enter but other than that it's just normal nav mesh like any other part of the map

I'm using the cave models from the mineshaft so it's just that

[flint quail]

cool cool cool

i ask despite only knowing what a node is lol

really excited to try this out, and im curious to see how it works with rebalanced moons embrion boulders

also if you add another cave, you should totally make it large enough for the cruiser to fit in

[forest plank]

I should have this patch out within a few days, current version doesn't really like Rebalanced's new building

[flint quail]

then i shall temporarily remove rebalanced's embrion scene changes

[forest plank]

Found the problem

easier fix

[forest plank]

🤔

[timid grove]

what da hell !!!

[forest plank]

I'd like to blame Rebalanced but I don't know

[tribal portal]

remember when i asked you if old birds was spawning in the sky

this should be fixed now tho?

i made those nodes children* of the building

like and i already released that a bit ago

[forest plank]

What version? I have v1.8.3 rn

[tribal portal]

oh

probably 1.8.5 or something

current version is 1.8.6

i update a lot and i apologize xd thats why the beta tag is still there

[forest plank]

you update too often

cant keep up

[tribal portal]

sorry 🥹

but yes i just double checked

the nodes are children of the building

should be live

so that shouldn't happen on current versions at least

[forest plank]

I'll double check the most recent version before I complain about another issue in case you fixed it

[forest plank]

I'll try to get the update out later today, I've just been playing so much Xenoblade X

[stuck oracle]

Very excited for it! 👍

[forest plank]

@tribal portal what if you did me a solid to optimize our mods & tag the following with a tag of your choice & let me know which one, thanks :)

• Vow
  • BoundsWalls/Cube
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (1)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (4)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (5)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (6)
• Offense
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (10)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (12)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (13)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (14)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (15)
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (17)
• Dine
  • BoundsWalls/Cube (4)

[tribal portal]

huh

wait

why

are you trying to find the boundswalls by tag

[forest plank]

so I don't have to search untagged

[tribal portal]

icic

[forest plank]

they're the ones that interfere with improvements

[tribal portal]

idrk what unused tags are safe to use

[forest plank]

just do one of the terrain ones

like grass or snow or carpet etc

[tribal portal]

oh good idea

yes i can do that

[forest plank]

I try to use snow on moons without snow & grass without grass

[tribal portal]

lol

makes sense

less stuff to sort through

[forest plank]

I did go through and remove as many Untagged finds as I could, so this update should be a bit faster, but I still have a bunch of vanilla things that are just untagged

So if I can sneak in some more optimization wherever I can that'd be appreciated

[forest plank]

Delaying the update until tomorrow because I want to add some more stuff & I'd like to wait for Dopa to get back to me on the tags

[tribal portal]

hey sorry for that
been kind of out of it recently, ill get to that now
ill do what you suggested, ill set it to the snow tag for moons without snow and grass for moons with snow

so you can just go ahead and check for that instead, ill try to get a patch out tonight

[forest plank]

No worries. Snow for Offense & Vow, and Grass for Dine. I just needed to be sure before I changed the checks

I've made sure to make this update the best for those who use our mods together, so this tiny fix is real nice

[forest plank]

Update out

Go read the patch notes & enjoy

Rebalanced update to optimize isn't out yet it seems

But I HIGHLY recommend using both of the mods for this update

Hope y'all like this update more than last

[proven robin]

by any chance you fixed the clipping rock on assurance A?

[timid grove]

somany damn fixes!!

so goated

[timid grove]

check changelog grrr

ye he did I think

[forest plank]

You guys wanted patches before March so I patched it

[timid grove]

there's fixes for that improvement specifically

[forest plank]

Yes

The collider got deleted somehow

I know of a few other issues that I have yet to fix, but I'll get to them eventually

[proven robin]

wanted to make sure :]

now I only need the FireExitDoorfix

(not this mod, dw)

[forest plank]

I do need to fix the doors lol

not the Fire Exit doors, just the desync doors

[timid grove]

stan the goat

[tribal portal]

it is

i tagged them already

[forest plank]

Epic

Which version?

[tribal portal]

.11

[forest plank]

I only glanced at the changelog and didn't see it, but then again I don't know if you'd mention it

[tribal portal]

i didnt mention it

maybe i should've

sorry!!

[forest plank]

Nah it's fine I did the change regardless

I guess if you run MI 0.9.7+ and also RM 1.18.10 or lower for some reason you'll have navmesh issues but at that point it's on them

Let me know what you think of my visual compatibility changes too

Those are very straightforward to implement so I can always do more

I forgot to push the GitHub, I'll get to that later