Chameleon

[rapid thicket]

cool

it also only came out like 30 minutes ago

[valid osprey]

I wish there was a mod that brought back the old larger entrance room

But kept all of the new stuff

[rapid thicket]

the creator is in the server

you could ask them

[valid osprey]

Do they have a thread?

[bleak fog]

The entrance room was shrunk for technical reasons, the floors would be too spaced out to allow stair tiles to connect them together

So the interior would have a lot more isolated paths

[rapid thicket]

I asked them if they'd make one

[valid osprey]

oh weird-

[muted sundial]

Without chameleon/with chameleon

[naive lichen]

one is more detailed!

thats cool

[flat wraith]

wha

[bleak fog]

Looks like the same model, but without Chameleon the handles and locks are recessed into the door for some reason

[meager ivy]

one side of the door has its faces completely inverted

so on that side of the door the window is see-through, and the knobs appear to be broken visually

chameleon makes the door materials double sided to fix that (although the "better fix" would be fixing the actual mesh probably)

[flat wraith]

I thought this was about the gap between the door and the floor

[rapid thicket]

I hope v80 revitalizes this mod

I believe it was said that there were plans to make it so people could make their own interior variants at some point in the future

[bleak fog]

I mean I wouldn’t call it dead, it just was mainly feature-complete

Some of us (including me) would like more customization, but Buttery has never been overly focused on that in any of her mods

[flat wraith]

like variants from vanilla or wdym?

[naive lichen]

Mayeb an easy implementation for devs? Or maybe a way to add our own textures? Kinda curious about it too

I love stan mods, such niche but extremely good and vanilla

[rapid thicket]

yeah,

I imagined it would be an easy way for just changing the textures

[naive lichen]

Forgot to send the emoji after heheh

[rapid thicket]

like the green mansion

or mineshaft stuff

[flat wraith]

you can already to that with JLL I think

like how Gorgonzola has cheese mines, I think those aren't a new interior internally

[meager ivy]

a long time ago i wanted to implement a component that moon authors could add to their scene

with a texture for the mineshaft caverns to use

and then if that map generated a mineshaft it would use the texture provided by that component (unless users overrode it in their config)

i never actually got around to doing that because i wasnt sure how many people would use it anyway

i think cheese caves for the cheese moon was the only example immediately cited as relevant

[meager ivy]

anyways yeah idk

it does upset me a little bit that people want more from this mod and yet my general level of motivation for working on it remains so low

it's just kinda disappointing for all involved parties

i still have a small wishlist of items to work on here and there

manor variants are one of them

better window support is one of them

i still think pools of water in death pits on interiors during flooded weather would be really fun

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[rapid thicket]

is there documentation or anything on this?

[mental crystal]

JLL and documentation in the same context

top 10 things never happening

[rapid thicket]

cool

[flat wraith]

yeah no documentation

but you can ask Jacob, Nikki or any other mooner and they could help you figure it out

[naive lichen]

Nooo my message deleted

:(

Said that uhm let me check if i can remember what i said

I know i started with " stan did i tell you i love your mods??? Heheh "

[naive lichen]

And then i replied to this message with smth like " dont worry! This mod is amazing and its very complete, it could have a few things added to it but in the state it is right now its amazing, Tysm "

[meager ivy]

yeah i mean im pretty happy with how it currently exists

if it wasnt i'd be a lot more prone to working on it

there's still stuff i'd like to "eventually" add thoug

and it kind of bothers me that im not getting any energy to do that

[rapid thicket]

I guess for me its that I've wanted manor variants since they were first mentioned here, the customization thing was mainly hoping that if this mod stops updating there can be a chance to do some myself while still being within the chameleon system

my dream would be something like enemy skin registry

[naive lichen]

Hi stannn did i tell you i love your mods??? Hehe

Dont worry! Do what you love the most! We are happy with what the mod provides, of course would be cool if it could have even more things but they arent completely necessary nor wil affect our opinion on this amazing mod! Tysm

It wasnt exactly that, it was a cooler message, but yeah kinda like that :3

omg the messages have been sent

Hehehehhehe

[meager ivy]

yeah id at least like to make those two manor variants i promised

the all green one (i fukken love green!!)

and whatever you want to call the dine variant i mentioned before

with desaturated, higher contrast textures

[rapid thicket]

this mod is really good I will say, thats sorta the reason why I'm wanting these so much

[meager ivy]

(this isnt inspired by granny v1.3.2 so dont @ me)

but it was already gonna be a bit of an undertaking and now it's even more of an undertaking

since there are brand new tiles

so i just still havent worked up the nerve to do that

anyways enemyskinregistry is a modding masterclass and i couldnt even dream of replicating something like that

i feel like my talents are way too focused and shortsighted to provide tools that flexible and easy to use

[meager ivy]

i never had a very concrete idea for this but sooner or later i was gonna try to make some factory variants as well

i like that someone suggested colored brick variants

if im not mistaken it was actually you

lol

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[meager ivy]

but like i was thinking that a red/orange brick variant like the exterior of experimentation would be cool

and then i wanted an "overgrown" variant for the forest moons

[rapid thicket]

I think the factory could look cool with the mineshaft concrete instead of bricks for a variant, would be a very different vibe for titan or other snowy moons

[meager ivy]

i was gonna try to find a mossy brick texture (or edit the vanilla texture or whatever)

and then i was gonna add the vine props

like on vow's exterior and experimentation's early interior

im very much not an artist though so i think i would struggle to make the overgrown variant look good

even if i have a pretty cool picture in my head

[rapid thicket]

I think it wrote some stuff down for a forest moon mansion

I know one of them was something like algae in the pool room

I'll have to find all of what I wrote

[rapid thicket]

here is what I wrote

Overgrown Facility: Vines and other plantlife found (like the beta office on experimentation), water in the pits.
Found on Forest Moons

Titanic Facility: Mineshaft Concrete instead of bricks, office room looks like the Artifice office.
Found on Titan, Artifice and Embrion

Classic Mansion: Pre v70 Wallpaper in halls (replacing wood), non patterned green wallpaper in library, wooden floors in bedrooms?
Found on Experimentation

Rustic Mansion: Green wallpaper, animal hide rugs, The pool is filled with algae, fireplace is extinguished, dirty bathroom.
Found on Forest Moons

Dine Mansion: Smashed Mirror in bathroom and bedroom, dirty water in pool, birthday room has a normalish dining table (white cloth, birthday sign entirely transparent)
Found on… well Dine..

White Mansion: Off white wallpaper in most rooms, birthday room has a normalish dining table (white cloth, birthday sign entirely transparent)
Found on Artifice

[naive lichen]

More than more variants i would like more interior compatibility :3 but it seems its harder to make

[meager ivy]

im not sure what "more interior compatibility" entails in your opinion

i do plan to convert FancyEntranceDoors to accept a list of interior strings rather than having a hardcoded list

but like

the main reason wesley interior types support my changes are because they are extensions of the vanilla interiors

i have historically not been designing features for other interiors

[meager ivy]

even this required me to add some code to support them, since my code tries to avoid applying changes unless it's relatively certain it's looking at vanilla assets and not about to make changes to custom content

[meager ivy]

the atlantis citadel doors broke for forever because my changes were getting applied to a model they werent supposed to be for an interior i wasnt intending to alter

for example

[rapid thicket]

when you make the fancy doors use configs then any interior that uses them instead of manually adding compat

[rapid thicket]

I reread this and I think I said it terribly

when the configs for the fancy mansion doors exist then people can use them for any modded interior without having to manually make compat

[rapid thicket]

classic mansion is based on the idea that experimentation is a time capsule with all the old lethal company stuff

its unchanging

[meager ivy]

well it's true

that's the point of me adding it

but i can't do that for everything

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[meager ivy]

like, Scarlet Devil Mansion was the first interior people requested the fancy doors also apply to

[rapid thicket]

then wesley's and then the pre v70 mansion interior

[meager ivy]

but other mansion changes shouldnt apply to that interior

just the doors

anyways

[meager ivy]

i have a different idea in mind for the default dine mansion

but some of these are cool and might work out as additional variety

[rapid thicket]

thanks

I think the existing rooms could be used in different ways that are cool

[meager ivy]

i forgot about the animal rugs

conceptually

[rapid thicket]

I believe the plants in the greenhouse don't have collision so those could be changed a lot

the two things that I think would be cool is having mansions that spawn where they normally don't spawn (such as early game moons) look different since its a special event and having stuff like Artifice and Embrion feel very different than the other moons

[meager ivy]

it looks like this is an issue for embrion only just because zeekerss put the door in a weird spot

and it kinda has worse issues going on tbh

so im not sure it's worth blacklisting embrion just to get around this since it's gonna look bad anyway

[bleak fog]

😭

[meager ivy]

@obtuse stream oh yeah i realized after releasing the update the other day i forgot to follow up on your footstep thing

can you be specific on what you're looking for

like

do you just want to have ice caverns with normal rocky footsteps

because i can just add a config setting that removes the tag switching code

i already have to disable the tag switching if you're not using butteryfixes (or nolostsignal) because for some reason zeekerss tied the "no signal" screen to the material under the player's feet

which would let you cheat and see through it as a client when a cavern type with special footsteps generates

anyways tl;dr it's easy to just disable the tag switch to keep vanilla's footsteps

[obtuse stream]

yeah I'd just like ice caves with rocky footsteps :)

[naive lichen]

Cool mod peak mod love mod

[rapid thicket]

didn't realise the update came out till now

[rapid thicket]

@meager ivy is it possible to make the windows work on the old mansion mod (https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MBCollector672/OldMansion/)

[meager ivy]

probably

i guess i forgot to account for this

do i need to add support for wesley's manor too then

i forget what he does with the windows

[obtuse stream]

i think the windows in spooky manor are just blank but i dont remember

i might be lying

[meager ivy]

i made a last minute fix for this since i was already releasing 4 other things on thunderstore tonight anyway. completely untested so im really crossing my fingers on this one, if you have trouble let me know and i will make it right

[rapid thicket]

I'll test

[rapid thicket]

IT WORKS!

[meager ivy]

ok sweet

[flat wraith]

sweet dude

[rapid thicket]

also this means that green mansion and other stuff would most likely work for the old mansion

[rapid thicket]

||I'm excited to see the v80 door animations on the outside mansion doors, its going to be so good||

also in the overgrown facility I think there could be mineshaft leaks

[mental crystal]

Like the ||mold plant things||?

[rapid thicket]

there were plans to have a variant of the facility overgrown with vines

I think ||the cadaver bloom|| would fit very well with the facility being overgrown

[rapid thicket]

What if there was a mansion variant thats partially burnt with a bunch of smoke damage

[rapid thicket]

I think it would look cool with the ||Cadaver Blooms||

[meager ivy]

btw

you got what you wanted

with the doors change from v80 this is part of vanilla

[hoary minnow]

awww

[final wagon]

Zeekerss peak dev

I suppose your mods have been broken, so I'll wait for updates

[bleak fog]

I would like to float this idea again since this mod may be getting some work, I would like an config to adjust the color temperature of interior lights

I always liked the stark white lights in RebalancedMoons and wished they were not trapped in that mod

[rapid thicket]

I agree

that would be cool

[stable ibex]

Does Chameleon work on v80?

[meager ivy]

i dont know if it will cause issues

but the foggy rework will be removed

fancyshrouds will be removed

and fancyentrances needs to be reworked

so if you disable those 3 settings and dont get errors i would guess it's "probably fine" to use

[indigo elbow]

I ran a 6 player lobby with it yesterday and we had no issues that I or the others noticed, no errors, all seemed good.

[rapid thicket]

the doors seem to not? unless when I checked something else was wrong

[naive lichen]

will this be updated to have mansion door animation?

or is that already a thing

[obtuse stream]

patience, sir cheese.......

[naive lichen]

i know!!!!!!

im just asking if thats like a problem or not

[obtuse stream]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gouser-tongue-gif-2714866887581371021

[naive lichen]

grrr

fast fast!!!

im a diversity fan, i know patience is key hehehe

[meager ivy]

this is already done

but it is a bit rough around the edges

lots of clipping issues

im gonna release it "as-is" since even vanilla entrance doors have a lot of bad clipping problems rn

but when i dont have a billion other mods to update i might come back and do a second cleanup pass

[naive lichen]

hehehe fair, tysm!!! i wish you the best updating your other gazillion mods hehe

[spiral goblet]

yo just wanted to ask is this mod client side?

[spiral goblet]

yeah i did see that but im confused how is it possible to change the doors and such when running the mod on client side

[meager ivy]

the actual visual appearance of most things is not networked, with online games you want to network as little stuff as possible to reduce bandwidth usage and latency

none of the stuff i change causes issues with what is actually networked

almost all of my mods are client side and the ones that aren't are either marked "server side" (only the host needs it) or if there is no tag, all players need it

[spiral goblet]

ngl im not exactly sure what this means but in short, will other players be able to see the changes or not?

[meager ivy]

there's no way for you using the mod to impact other players

that's what "client-side" means

it affects your client only

[rapid thicket]

not sure if this would fit for chameleon or something else but I think it would be cool if there was an option to make the background music not play on certain moons (and have a config choose what moons do this)
yesterday I played on Rend and there was background music and I thought it ruined the vibe a bit and in the past certain moon mods did this as well

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy Is the sky still too bright on Titan? I don't recall it being too bright in V80

The thing that annoys me with Titan still is just the awful uv's lol

[meager ivy]

he did not fix what FixTitanVolume is doing

[acoustic bolt]

Hm I swear it felt darker

lol

I just hate those fucked uv's on the walls that are fixed with Rebalanced Moons lol

[rapid thicket]

Oh I didn't see it updated

what does snowy cadavers look like

[rapid thicket]

Oh cool

also it appears that this link:

goes to this https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MBCollector672/OldMansion/

[timber minnow]

wait why was the recolorrandomrocks removed?

[abstract musk]

Do the custom cave stone textures not work w lethal level loader or smth?

Cuz they seem to randomly stop working and I think that’s why

-# like I’m not acting like I’m the one who figured this out I’m js unsure what the cause is

[hoary minnow]

it's in vanilla now!

[meager ivy]

lol

[timber minnow]

oh I guess I missed that in the changelog

[meager ivy]

he never put it in the changelog to my knowledge

[timber minnow]

how does he handle it? I'm curious about modded moons

[timber minnow]

oh that would explain it

[meager ivy]

and even after v80 released he still had desert rocks on the snowy moons

[rapid thicket]

manually I presume

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[meager ivy]

i know for a fact he didnt put this in the changelog when he fixed it

but as of v81

vow, march, adamance, rend, dine, and titan all use a new "LargeRockForest" set of prefabs

same boulders but with a grayscale texture

[timber minnow]

Oh so modders could just use those. I see

[obtuse stream]

snow moons still don't have the snowy boulders though right? like the one in rend's fire exit pit

[meager ivy]

the "snowy boulders" are kind of ugly

they're literally just the desert boulders with their texture removed

so they're solid white with the same normals and stuff

[obtuse stream]

ah

[meager ivy]

in any case vanilla made them gray

and it was probably specifically in response to my bug report about them being desert boulders

so i assume what zeekerss has is behavior he's happy with

[rapid thicket]

I also got this image on march

[warm pewter]

What is the broken screen window, what does it mean?

[naive lichen]

the screen looks broken

you can see there in the video

[warm pewter]

So its just broken because its just broken

[naive lichen]

because its a screen

do you know what this mod does?

[warm pewter]

Its a visual mod

[naive lichen]

the screens in the mansion, it adds quite a few different pictures to them

one of them being a broken screen

[warm pewter]

Ah hah

Yeah I didn't think about the windows being screens back when I started the game in January lol

[naive lichen]

hehehe

its kinda debatable but not really

first of all it makes no sense that the windows are looking to a land with cows and stuff, or whatever it was hehe i forgor

specially if you are in like a snowy moon

so this mod adds more windows

[warm pewter]

Yeah this mod looks cool, im getting it

[naive lichen]

one of them being a broken window

implying that they arent actually windows but screens

i love this mod :3

also adds stuff to the mineshafts

variations

[warm pewter]

This mod makes snow biome forest keepers look like they belong

[naive lichen]

yes

[obtuse stream]

i mean i think them being lit up images of very pretty green pastures while the moons themselves are wastelands was the implication that it's a screen lol

[naive lichen]

YES!

thats why i say its basically a screen

[obtuse stream]

ur a screen

[naive lichen]

but as you can see here with this user CDub, they didnt think it was a screen

so there is room for doubt

although really small

[obtuse stream]

i see

cheese can we arrange a boxing match

[warm pewter]

I didn't think much of the windows back then lol

[naive lichen]

x3

okiii

[warm pewter]

But having more options for different biomes is a nice quality of life feature

[naive lichen]

it doesnt come with weights for modded moons tho, you need to add those yourself

[meager ivy]

even less debatable given there are literal scanlines on the screen

but yes

[naive lichen]

heheh yeah

its like a 99 to 1 ratio of debate

but for a casual player that just sees it from afar its not that noticeable

the plant tile tho...

that one gives it away

[pulsar cedar]

When using this mod pack for some reason the console spams Cascade Shadow errors and the ship interior has no shadows, this only happens with Chameleon installed
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[pulsar cedar]

help please

🙏

[smoky rock]

This has probably been asked before, but have you ever thought about when there is a mineshaft interior, making the main entrance look like the yellow doors.

I do realise that the interior uses the default doors, but I enjoy seeing the manor doors and knowing the interior. To have that be the case for mineshaft would add to that.

[meager ivy]

ive thought about it, but last i tried it, it was really ugly and i didnt like it

[final wagon]

He was supposed to cloak... like a Chameleon blending?

[rapid thicket]

I believe the flower window is broken

this is my modpack

I know the desert and vanilla one works though, so I presume its only this one

[meager ivy]

sorry i forgot to respond to this earlier

anyways yes it's broken

purple reported this to me as well and i sent this asset bundle for him to try

once i have less stuff on my plate i will probably push a 2.3.4 with this bundle assuming it works when i test it

[quaint mason]

Just reminding you that this problem still exists, if you happen to have forgotten

[meager ivy]

i haven't forgotten but i've been putting it off because i have a BF/ESF update i'd like to publish pretty soon

and then i still have the next BRB update that will probably take priority afterwards

[meager ivy]

for the time being you can replace your asset bundle

[quaint mason]

Alright

[final wagon]

Does Kidnapper Fox have a Snowy version like the shrouds?

[meager ivy]

no

i would be open to adding one but i completely lack the artistic talent necessary to make it look good

[naive lichen]

Whats this?

[meager ivy]

zeekerss forgot to apply the glass material to the individual greenhouse doors

the double doors have glass

these ones do not

[final wagon]

I'd be fine with anything you do about that, it's all peak

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[naive lichen]

:0

Such a great change i couldnt even notice the difference

[hoary minnow]

Grins

Rubs my hands together

Laughs in a sinister fashion

[meager ivy]

i mean

good luck

once you see the kidnapper fox UV i think you will discover the fear of god

[hoary minnow]

nahhhhh it's fine this looks fine

[naive lichen]

[hoary minnow]

id only need to be changing the red parts anyway

[naive lichen]

Goodluck cookie!!!! Cook cook cookie!!!

[hoary minnow]

are you thinking of like an artic fox look or just "fox covered in snow" look

i think the former would be more fitting personally, but it is your mod and thus your call

[meager ivy]

i would be willing to budge on this

but i would strongly prefer if it matched the shrouds

which appear to just be coated in snow

[naive lichen]

Isnt the lore behind fox that is like the same one every time?

Or am i tweaking

Im tweaking

[meager ivy]

well the fox starts in its nest every day

and definitely isn't traveling between moons without the help of an intergalactic spaceship

part of the kidnapper fox's lore is that "they have been known to stow away on passenger ships"

but i personally dont believe that is witnessed in game

[naive lichen]

You gotta get ship windows

If its the same then covered in snow would make more sense

[hoary minnow]

ok totally fair, i can try that, might be more difficult but ill see what i can do P:

yah

[naive lichen]

If its not the arctic fox is cool :3

[rapid thicket]

nice

[idle saddle]

chuemainelloin

[rapid thicket]

#1500263092620234812 message its been 5 months but there is a thread now

[distant violet]

Hello! Do the custom doors work with V80s new door open animations?

[distant violet]

Nice, thanks!

[muted sundial]

best update

[meager ivy]

actually i broke the doorknobs again in v2.4.1 🥲

but this time it's a lot worse because now they use the player texture

i am going to release v2.4.2 "in a couple minutes" and it should be "forever good" after that

[heady hatch]

local mod developer HATES doorknobs

[acoustic bolt]

Door knobs hated them first clearly fr fr on god on god

[distant violet]

Really love the visual variety this mod brings

[dapper wharf]

Bug

• When Leaving, the props that are changed with "FixShipMeshes" will change the texture to pink

[meager ivy]

yeahhhh i noticed this

it's not "not a bug" but i figured it's so minor impact i didnt want to publish another fix just for it

the problem is that the materials are getting deloaded as soon as you disconnect

to clear the cache and prevent some weird stuff that sometimes happens when rehosting with custom content

in "the next version" i will probably move it to when the scene is actually unloaded

or make it run on the title screen

[dapper wharf]

understandable, don't worry

[dull elk]

oh thanks, I was just about to do that haha

[meager ivy]

@dull elk the moon's author could fix this by changing the material name so it doesn't start with

• "ForestTexture"
• "TreeFlat"
• "Leaves"
• "GreenhousePlantsMat"

im not really sure why it's just turning white but my guess is it's some sort of shader incompatibility with the custom assets this moon is using

i would expect it to turn pink if anything

alternatively you can just turn the setting off if it's breaking custom content

[dapper wharf]

@remote sparrow Here

[remote sparrow]

Noted. Will be fixed in next patch

[spiral goblet]

Is Immersive Entrance compatible with Chameleon?

[dapper wharf]

No mods break if having both, but there are no doors on mansion with windows

[warped meadow]

I wonder if there will be doors for modded moon support in the future

i.e for Toy Store or Castle interior

[timber minnow]

I would kind of guess no because Buttery wouldn't have access to those assets

[meager ivy]

im not really interested in explicitly designing support for modded content

[distant violet]

I really like the toy store interior, fits with a lot of mansion entities

[naive lichen]

sir this is the chameleon thread

[rapid thicket]

we're going to have to ask you to leave

[mental crystal]

These interiors are cool, but grand armoury is a bit hard to navigate

does anyone have any tips on how to not get lost in it? Thanks

[heady hatch]

Sir this is the Chameleon thread

[gaunt yarrow]

we're going to have to ask you to leave

[warm pewter]

@meager ivy i got the cabin interior by sniper, would fancy entrance work?

[meager ivy]

by default the cabin interior should support the fancy entrances

but i only added fancy entrances to *vanilla moons

they are currently not supported on modded moons

there is a possibility this could change in the future, since v80 releasing finally gave me a prefab i can replace on modded moons

[warm pewter]

awesome

[meager ivy]

but right now it is still limited to vanilla levels

[rapid thicket]

that would be very cool