Chameleon

[bleak fog]

I feel like the normal door could just be tweaked a bit to give us an entrance door

[final wagon]

still wouldn't look very good

[bleak fog]

Well more than that

Make it the correct size, have a proper frame, change the texture (maybe have “No Trespassing” on it and make the dirt different), and give it bigger handles

[bleak fog]

I think this is a start though

[rapid thicket]

I'm pretty sure that would be on the same level of difficulty as mansion doors on custom moons or at least for it being automatic

[dense canyon]

might be a bit of an odd idea but the blue light over the door maybe?

idk it's weird

[final wagon]

funny how the ideias are escalating to become even harder

[rapid thicket]

I think something that could be interesting for a factory variant is making the brick walls into the concrete texture of the mineshaft

[bleak fog]

Interior variants should be their own mod imo

[dense canyon]

i couldn't care less about mineshaft having its own door

[final wagon]

there are some ideias about factory and manor variants...

[final wagon]

ok 👍

[meager ivy]

foudn this the other day while i was playing v9

kind of unrelated

i just wonder if this could be incorporated into something

[final wagon]

then mineshaft variants would go to this other mod

[dense canyon]

i mean like what else would you do if the yellow door design looks off

[rapid thicket]

the mineshaft variants are kinda already that

[final wagon]

and it would be ButteryInteriors 🧠

[meager ivy]

i do plan to include a couple things for interiors in this mod

originally i named the mod "InteriorDesigner" because it started out as mineshaft retextures and then ballooned into something else

i renamed it last minute before i released it

because nickham13 actually had good ideas for it

[rapid thicket]

maybe it turns red when off but the when the apparatus is pulled it goes black?

[meager ivy]

names are pretty much always an afterthought for me which is why most of them suck

[dense canyon]

could be green if it's all on and red if it's "faulty"

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[dense canyon]

black when pulling app. is an interesting idea too

[meager ivy]

anyways i don't intend to do a ton of things with them (it's sort of above my pay grade)

[rapid thicket]

texture swaps are all thats really needed

[meager ivy]

lots of weird code stuff to make it work and i feel like i don't have very good visual taste most of the time anyway

but i had an idea for a manor variant

[rapid thicket]

oh?

[meager ivy]

and i want to do colored bricks in factories

and that's probably where i'd call it

i think it'd be really cool to do overgrown mossy bricks for forest factories

but i think i'd probably just make it look bad Lol!

[rapid thicket]

frosted for snow moons could look cool

[mental crystal]

Could maybe have random vines on the walls?

Like every couple of rooms

[meager ivy]

alternatively i could add greenery to the halls like in v4

[dense canyon]

I like that

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[meager ivy]

oh yeah

i also wanted to have weather in the starting tiles for factory

which is made sort of complicated by the fact that there is no snowfall particle in vanilla

"blizzards" are just really heavy fog

but like, i wanted there to be rain in the starting tile

and i want there to be flooded water pits

in factory/mines

[mental crystal]

Id recommend heavy fog in the first room but thatd probably look awful

[rapid thicket]

one of my previous ideas was to have a forest moon one with more green wall paper and fur rugs

[meager ivy]

i started work on implementing these but never actually finished it

[mental crystal]

Me - (important and humble)
Eveerything else -

[rapid thicket]

I think having the light from the main room be moving somewhat like the lights on rend would probably show that enough

[final wagon]

lasso man restoration at the top of course

[dense canyon]

Was the muffled storm ambience ever added I don’t remember

[rapid thicket]

yes

[dense canyon]

Cool

[meager ivy]

yes

the default settings are way too loud

[rapid thicket]

thats probably a good idea

[meager ivy]

i keep turning it down in each update

and i still think it's too loud

lol

but it's there and it's nice

[mental crystal]

I rarely hear it when playing since im focused on something else

[final wagon]

i mean, i use 40% and rarely notice it

[meager ivy]

yeah but it launched with 75% as the default which was way too much

i think right now i've reduced the default all the way to 40% and im on the fence about 35%

i think 40% is fine though

[rapid thicket]

yeah

it only really come apparent when nothing is really happening

[final wagon]

please consider this on some future update at least 🙏

[final wagon]

that's why it's cool

[meager ivy]

man idk

i've already considered it like 3 times and every time i just feel like i'd rather not

the black plane exists on the other maps because there is literally nothing behind the doors

it's just a concrete wall

experimentation is uniquely the only place that ever had a properly modelled interior and i just think it's cool to allude to that

and it's ultimately pretty harmless

for all we know the inside/outside doors aren't even directly connected and there's actually a timeskip happening in universe

would explain how in vanilla, manors can have metal factory doors on the outside and fancy wooden doors on the inside

i mean, yeah, it's true, but i don't see the need to have an entire checkbox that's just "black plane on a single vanilla map or no"

but maybe i will just cave

i dont know

[final wagon]

well, guess we'll have to wait for Seamless Dungeon to release in 2026 to have windows matching the interior and exterior

[versed hull]

I think people will like the idea of that mod way more than the reality

[final wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-disappointing-avenger-infinity-stone-gif-15498807

[mental crystal]

Isnt there a similar thing in enhanced monsters?

[final wagon]

?

[mental crystal]

#1212448321017483275 message

[final wagon]

wth

why a monter mod adds such a cool feature 😭

[quaint mason]

wtf

Is this my screenshot?

I remember playing v4 with Ocean only once

[meager ivy]

yeah i just went and grabbed something from the discussion after zeekerss posted the password

[quaint mason]

Ah

[meager ivy]

cuz i knew someone posted a screen of it

[gritty tendon]

you talk about the lamp above being green instead of whiteish yellow ?

i always thought the green looked better and made it stand out better compared to other lights
i suppose it could be green then the breaker is on and then keep the vanilla yellowish (or red) when it's turned off (and keep it extinct completly when apparatus is removed)

[gritty tendon]

btw any chance we could get the pro and regular flashlight color of v4 as option ?

[quaint mason]

Another thing that would be nice if you ever take interest in fixing it: Baboon hawk mouths

Whenever a baboon hawk calls, their mouth never closes afterwards

So they're just stuck permanently soyjakking for the rest of the round

It's funny, but ultimately immersion-breaking Imo

[copper rampart]

what if they just feel like having their mouth open

[quaint mason]

Ample room for me to carve their brains out of their skulls with my shovel

[meager ivy]

they definitely do close their mouths

usually whenever they are backing away from the player

their mouths being open just signify aggression

[quaint mason]

To call again, yes

Whenever they're exploring, or back at their nest, it's never closed if they've called before

Unless this is just an issue with SpectateEnemies

[meager ivy]

a lot of their animations do not reset their jaw

[quaint mason]

That is weird

[meager ivy]

but there are animations to open/close their jaw

[meager ivy]

and the rest will just default to whatever the last one did

[quaint mason]

Seems unintentional, at least to me

Why would they keep their mouths open after calling, even when back at their nest, or not engaging in fights?

[meager ivy]

patching animators sucks and i think it is pretty difficult to draw the line between what is objectively wrong and should be fixed and what is intentional

[quaint mason]

Chameleon is more subjective, so

[meager ivy]

if they use the same idle animation for being near threats with their mouth open, as well as being near their nest, which behavior is correct?

if i had to guess, reused animations between states is probably the reason some of them do not explicitly control the jaw

anyways i probably will not tackle this but maybe someone else will have stronger thoughts about it

[quaint mason]

Aight

[mental rampart]

For some reason this mod generates a second sun when you are in the ship and use:
-ShipWindows v1.11.0 by TestAccount666
-Celestial_Tint v1.5.2 by sfDesat

Is there something I should disable in the options of this mod to fix this?

My ship is melting.

Oh sorry I'm dumb, disabling this option fixes the problem (as the description suggests). 💀

[flat wraith]

I think it'd be pretty epique if for the wallpaper changes for the manor, desert moons had a wallpaper color similar to this place from the upturned

[tired valley]

This would just be a really cool alternative manor room anyways

[flat wraith]

can't be done client-side which is afaik what stan aims for w/ this mod

but yeah it'd be cool as shit

if only this wasn't so uncommon on LC Office

[copper rampart]

that's marble, not wallpaper

[tired valley]

Wdym?

[mental crystal]

That tile set can spawn rarely on the office interior

[tired valley]

WHAT

SINCE WHEN???

[tired valley]

As in

LC office? Or maes office

I would like ✨ proof ✨

And a way to boost its spawn rate if possible, please and thank you

[oblique peak]

Ah yeah, I found that twice back when I was playing with office mod
I was really confused

[tired valley]

HOW DID I NEVER

KNOW ABOUT THIS

I need me some more screenshots fr

[oblique peak]

I had clips of my confusion
Not anymore tho

[tired valley]

Fuck

Someone has to make a mod that lets you mess with tile weights for interiors

Because it’s criminal iv been playing with LC office ever since it came out and iv NEVER ran into this entrance tile

[oblique peak]

Lmao
Infinite treasure rooms on SDM goes brrrr

[tired valley]

SMD?

[oblique peak]

Minor spelling mistake 🤭

[tired valley]

I still don’t know what SDM is 😭

[oblique peak]

Scarlet devil mansion

[tired valley]

Ohhhhh

I don’t use that interior

Makes sense why I don’t know it’s abbreviation

[oblique peak]

You can give it a try
Unless you prefer more vanilla-ish vibe

[tired valley]

Exactly the reason I don’t use it lmao

[oblique peak]

Oh lol

[tired valley]

I’m very much a vanilla+ guy

It’s a good interior but not my cup of tea personally

I prefer stuff like sub systems, LC office, lunarlights, flesh interior etc

[oblique peak]

I must consider turning my modpack into vanilla+ and delete some bloats in there as well

[tired valley]

It’s a double edged sword

Sometimes less vanilla is more fun

[acoustic bolt]

I like SDM a lot tbh even though I've stripped my pack down to be Vanilla+ I keep it

[tired valley]

It honestly depends

[oblique peak]

I feel like LC Office causes performance issues, it did on my side when I turned it back last week

[acoustic bolt]

What I dislike mainly are the unreal and ut interiors

[acoustic bolt]

It does

It always has

[oblique peak]

Oh

[tired valley]

I agree, feel very half life looking

Like

Half life 1

[oblique peak]

Didn't felt it until LLL updated

[tired valley]

They’re not bad, but again not my cup of tea

[tired valley]

Idk why it’s always been so buggy

It needs a rework fr fr

[acoustic bolt]

It's probably more noticeable now cus it's unoptimized in size and most stuff using LLL now has Hot Loading

[oblique peak]

Yeah

[tired valley]

I remember a while back

Loading LC office on vacuity

Would just straight up brick the game

Idk if that’s still the case now

[oblique peak]

Vacuity overall was laggy for me

[tired valley]

I think it was incompatibles wirh vacuity that caused it to lag

Cause after debloating I’m fine on it now

[oblique peak]

I used toy store and storehouse as an interiors there

[tired valley]

Even tho my pack is like 270 mods

[tired valley]

Storehouse used to lag a lot too

[acoustic bolt]

I'm still not the biggest fan of Storehouse, it feels vanilla but the lighting and stuff stands out too much

[tired valley]

I think one of the biggest contributors to lag in modpacks, at least for me, was jester stomp shake and coroner reanimated

[oblique peak]

I never used coroner

[tired valley]

Fair enough honestly, it’s all down to personal preference

[acoustic bolt]

Coroner used to be really nice but nowadays it's pretty broken lol

[oblique peak]

Maybe like a year ago when I was starting my lethal company addiction

[tired valley]

I love it’s elevator shaft though

[oblique peak]

But once I removed it, it never returned

[tired valley]

Where you have to jump from ladder to ladder

[oblique peak]

That could be the case

[tired valley]

Atm sub systems and lunar lights are prolly my 2 favourite interiors

[oblique peak]

I use betterexp now instead

[tired valley]

Me too

[oblique peak]

Same here
Too bad edifice lacks of tile variety

Edifice aka lunar lights (yes?)

[tired valley]

Yee that’s the one

[acoustic bolt]

Edifice is fine so long as you don't put it on moons with larger generations

[oblique peak]

Lunar lights were actually moons

[tired valley]

It has a lot of variety from my playing with it

Some tiles are a bit rare though

I also like storage complex

[acoustic bolt]

It doesn't, Edifice has very few tiles

[tired valley]

It’s a bit cramped but I like it

[tired valley]

Ohhh mb then

[oblique peak]

Do you think edifice still can turn out well on smaller interior moons?

[acoustic bolt]

If you get it on a moon with a larger generation like Ultimatum it just spews out the same tile over and over

I got basically all jump tiles one game

That was abysmal

[tired valley]

I have the generation limited using CC

[oblique peak]

Lmao

[acoustic bolt]

I won't touch Central Config with a 20 foot pole.

Caused me nothing but issues

[oblique peak]

I prefer LQ

[tired valley]

Iv never had issues with CC

I might’ve once actually

[acoustic bolt]

I'm also just not a fan of the dev

[tired valley]

I don’t think anyone is

All I hear is bad talk

😔

[oblique peak]

Idk who is even CC dev

[tired valley]

I still love the mod though

It lets me do a lot

I feel like CC will become deprecated at some point

Which sucks

Cause idk how I’m gonna be able to migrate over to LQ

[oblique peak]

Not maybe deprecated but abandoned

[tired valley]

It lacks some options that only CC has

[oblique peak]

For example?

[tired valley]

Yeah one lethal company update and it’s gonna go poof

[oblique peak]

Not necesarilly but it's a high chance

[tired valley]

Full control over enemy multipliers, replacements and scrap themes for interiors and individual weathers

I don’t think LQ has it as in depth as CC does

I could be wrong though

CC has a lot of unnecessary features, but I still use them 😛

I like the features

[oblique peak]

For enemy multipliers idk if you mean uhhh HP, their speed, etc.?
Scrap themes might be problematic to adjust with many scrap mods so I never touch it, and for weathers you can use weatherregistry and whitelist

[tired valley]

I have scrap types fully controlled by the interiors so I can accurately have themed scrap that fit with the interiors

[flat geyser]

idk what you mean by "enemy multipliers" but lq lets you configure enemy spawns the same way you would in unity

[tired valley]

The moon itself controls value and abundance though

[tired valley]

I mean

On a weather

Let’s say rainy

[oblique peak]

Max power, etc

[tired valley]

I can give Bruce 2.5x spawning

Or more

Or less

Or I can block it’s spawning entirely

[oblique peak]

Ooh I see
If rainy then higher chance for specific mob?

I see

[tired valley]

Yup

[oblique peak]

Interesting feature for such disappointing mod

[flat geyser]

lol

[tired valley]

I just like having it so most LC surfaced enemies spawn during rainy or flooded

Or solar flare blocks spawns for 99% of robotic enemies

I did have it do that for old birds too

[oblique peak]

I basically having surfaced for bruce on island and aquatic moons such as atlantica, and that funny green birb that does funny sounds

[tired valley]

Until the recent lethal elements update

Where they gave its own mechanic to old birds

[tired valley]

I don’t have any aquatic moons in my pack really

None that specifically fit Bruce

Other than vow and synthesis I can think of anywhere that he fits

He strangely fits well on forest moons

Reminds me of that one image

Of the shark swimming in the forest

[oblique peak]

I have wesley moons (finished and keeping my save like a sacred thing) and aquatis, I dont remember if I have more such moons

[oblique peak]

It's funny tho

[tired valley]

Why is CC so bad anyways

Is it just rough code

[oblique peak]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-magic-shark-missouri-missouri-shark-woods-gif-16373569796205420990

[tired valley]

I don’t really get errors with it

[tired valley]

Like it’s Unity

Can’t expect perfection 😭

Lethal company itself doesn’t have the best code either

[oblique peak]

All forest moons on my modpack if spawning get lucky (on forest moons I set up bruce as a pretty rare)

[tired valley]

Feel like I can excuse a little botched code, even if nobody really likes the dev that much

[oblique peak]

Yeah but we love it regardless

[tired valley]

Think I had one interaction with them and they did come across kinda cold, but I would be too if I had to deal with a lot of people complaining about bugs 24/7

I mean

I do sorta have to deal with that

Since I had a discord for my modpack

And some of the bug reports are just so bizarre

[tired valley]

Well

[oblique peak]

I had it too, until I beefed with my friend who doesn't play lc anymore

[tired valley]

I mostly see devs here shit on zeekers for it

Nobodies perfect is the thing, so I don’t see why

There’s always a better way to do coding anyways

So there’s no such thing and perfection when it comes to it

At least that’s what I learnt from college

[oblique peak]

Hmmm

[flat wraith]

I didn't say the texture was wallpaper

[final wagon]

That might be something for UpturnedVariety

[flat wraith]

Isn't upturned variety only scrap?

[final wagon]

UpturnedVariety started as an mod that used assets from Upturned and included an extra boombox song

Then a extra gift skin

Then she found many other assets that she could use

That's also an asset from Upturned technically

It fits there

[tired valley]

Then let’s mayhaps suggest it in that thread

[mental crystal]

The dev of UpturnedVariety also made Chameleon

[tired valley]

Sheet my bad

I should start paying attention to who made what

[final wagon]

Most peak mods are made by Buttery

Figure out the others

[mental crystal]

Buttery made 60% of the fix mods

If you ever need to know check if the fix mod is made by buttery or not.

[flat wraith]

I get that, but I don't get why she'd separate wallpaper variation from the others by putting it into Upturned Variety

[final wagon]

Because the "variations" on Mineshaft were made by her

It's fair to have them on Chameleon

The "manor variant" is from Upturned

Chameleon main purpose is to make "moon environments feel more cohesive"

The mineshafts used a rocky texture on all moons, even Embrion

[flat wraith]

ultimately up to her but it doesn't make sense to me to separate a feature from a mod just because it's a reference to smth else

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[mental crystal]

It’s technically adding a wall type from the upturned

UpturnedVariety adds variety to the game from the upturned.

[rapid thicket]

to me that feels like it would fit more with chameleon since one of its main features are the interior variants and it would be a little weird if this mod has like 2 variants and upturned has only 1 also it being in this mod would probably be better for config use

[meager ivy]

im not going to add interior variety to both upturned variety and chameleon

i like the idea of this upturned color palette but it would be a feature here

not upturned variety

[final wagon]

soon™

[copper rampart]

does all work for windows lists yet...

[meager ivy]

still not at this time, sorry

i've been away from chameleon for a while

i haven't felt up to tackling any of the new features i want to add yet

[mental crystal]

You’ve been doing great work on your other mods. Even if you don’t feel up to this you can feel free to take your time on it since developing mods are meant to be a passion project rather than a second job

I love your mods a lot since they improve the game in so many ways and you shouldn’t overwork yourself if it isn’t necessary.

[bleak fog]

Much agreed

[real violet]

i have a suggestion for the DoorLightColors config if you want to. You should make it so the light the door produces when far away changes depending on the color of the door light. PS. i love the mods you make, they are fr the best. Hope you are doing very well. Dont over work yourself :]

[final wagon]

I really love fog reprojection, but there isn't any workaround for the damn flashlight?

[meager ivy]

the workaround is turning it off

lol

[final wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-explosion-gif-7805551011856740963

[flat geyser]

add glowing orbs that light the path

@meager ivy

spark the way to blue delight

[meager ivy]

(background singers vocalize "orb chaser")

[flat geyser]

sorry idk what possessed me to say this

ive been thinking about that again recently

[meager ivy]

so do you want to add it

or should i just go f**k myself

[flat geyser]

😭

making a pull request rn dw

[flat wraith]

content warning

[fathom lava]

Yeah there isn't really any getting around the HQ fog issues

Either you deal with the big performance hit of the quality option or the buggy flashlights with reprojection

[flat geyser]

the quality option varies

when i was still using a 2080ti on high fog quality there was practically zero performance difference

so if you have a pretty decent gpu your mileage may vary id say

[acoustic bolt]

Honestly I don't mind the flashlight trails with reprojection tbh

It adds to the scuff of the game and doesn't feel like it's that out of place

I quickly grew used to it

[flat geyser]

well hey im glad you like it hehe

i was close to scrapping the reprojection thing altogether but buttery insisted some people might like it more than others

it does look pretty nice otherwise

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah it's perfect cus it fixes fog without affecting performance and my group all has different hardware configurations so it's nice to have it work for everyone

[final wagon]

I like it too, even though the flashlight gets a little weird sometimes the other stuff is sick. Some artifacts feels like it adds to the game, like the ship descending into the planet seems like air is entering through the door, the cruiser seems to be going faster sometimes, the dropship and meteor has a cool fade

[final wagon]

Am i crazy or fog reprojection doesn't work on the company moon?

[prime tusk]

uhh

[final wagon]

Probably Planet Preview + Celestial Tint

If you have Celestial Tint, disable planet preview on Chameleon config

[mental crystal]

Might be a good idea if Chameleon automatically disables PlanetPreview if CelestialTint is installed

[prime tusk]

ok

[meager ivy]

when this was a feature in butteryfixes i added auto-compatibility to toggle it off

but now that it's a boolean the user can control i'd rather leave it to their control

especially if celestialtint allows you to disable whatever is causing the incompatibility, it makes my mod less flexible

by forcing the setting off

[meager ivy]

i might be releasing an update soon

i've been trying to tag all of my mods properly with lobbycompatibility

recently

i havent had the time or interest to work on any new chameleon features

in a short while

and im not sure when that energy will come back to me

i havent lost interest in modding but my focus has been elsewhere for the time being

i do want to implement one minor change though

[meager ivy]

since the next update might be a while away, it might be nice to sneak this in before it takes too long

[flat geyser]

lmk if u need help w anything btw

like even if you just dont feel like doing something

i dont mind

[bleak fog]

This mod is in a pretty good state anyway, I am content with it. Only thing I really want is color temperature adjusters for interior lights (preferably for each interior)

Not really sure what else there even is

Same goes for ButteryFixes, I think ButtRyBalance is by far the mod with the most potential to keep fleshing out

[rustic bramble]

I know they use the default doors inside but can we get custom entrance doors for mineshaft and custom fire exit for mineshaft and mansion

[bleak fog]

This issue with that is nobody has come forward with a design for a custom Mineshaft entrance. Apparently someone was making it but they have since disappeared

[rustic bramble]

cave fire exit perhaps?

and fire exit for mansion since screen doors are normally the backdoor for houses

mineshafe main entrance, to match the elevator's gate

[rustic bramble]

done

lol

[flat geyser]

yeah we both have interest in this but just havent come up with a solid design

i might make one soon

[rustic bramble]

yeah, the one on the bottom of my list tho is for main

[meager ivy]

well it's not that i dont feel like doing what needs to be done

i am interested in implementing new stuff

i just dont feel the drive to do it now and i dont know when i will again

[meager ivy]

butteryfixes is a forever living project

whenever there is some small detail out of place that i want to fix it will most likely go there

i fixed some buggy stuff with the cruiser key animation in first person in an update that has yet to go out

i offered it to digg but he might have gone back on hiatus now that CI 1.5 is out

so i'll probably just release that

as for butterybalance, it's true that it has a lot of potential left, but i haven't worked on it in a little bit since i havent had many opportunities to play recently

[meager ivy]

im not sure about custom fire exit doors

i wouldnt say im adamantly opposed but im not particularly interested either

they are perfectly functional with all the interiors that already exist

i am still open to custom mineshaft entrances but the yellow doors are kind of ugly and nobody's made anything better yet

[flat geyser]

ill do it eventually!!

[limber plover]

why doesnt it work on offense

it was generic interiors' stupid backrooms level conflicting

[twilit drum]

@meager ivy If I use weather registry to make rainy on the company would it break, I've been using this mod but it might be better to use weather registry.

[flat geyser]

why are you doing that

dont do that

theres no reason you should be doing that

it'd probably try to spawn mud and error because theres no navmesh or something

[meager ivy]

if you disable my stormy gordion setting nothing would break

but it's very unlikely rain will activate on the company building

when you land at the company, it skips the code that normally activates weather when the ship is landing

i had to hack it a bit with custom logic for this mod

and that custom logic doesn't account for anything other than storms

[wild fox]

mrov has stuff for putting weather on gordion

[meager ivy]

if weather registry has behavior to handle it

then sure

should be fine

[wild fox]

separate mod

but yeah

[flat geyser]

still why

stormy could be cool maybe but why rainy

[bleak fog]

Maybe they do not want Thunder SFX

[flat geyser]

then use the setting in chameleon

for rainy gordion

y do u need to do it through weather registry

if all u want is the effect

[wild fox]

is the setting without the thunder sfx in the config

(no)

[flat geyser]

oh my bad

i incorrectly recalled the setting as rainy gordion

i forgot gordion is specifically described as having constant storms

[flat geyser]

in that case this is kind of a really silly nitpick im ngl

but yeah i get it i guess

[flat wraith]

did you change the looks of mesa caves??

they look kinda different

I love it honestly, not sure if it's different from before tho

[flat geyser]

are you using sponge

it might just slightly change how it looks

[flat wraith]

nope

[meager ivy]

i have not

i touched snow caves in an update semi recently

forget which one

changed the rocks because i thought blue piles looked kind of ugly

also made desert caves not drip except during floods

last change i made to caverns iirc

[flat wraith]

oh yeah thank you those looked uggy

[flat wraith]

neat! it seems it was always peak

[quaint mason]

Why does Artifice have the indoor blizzard and snowy doors despite ice moon Artifice not having been rolled?

0195efe3-4251-974c-bb2f-123412700dd1

[limber plover]

will this mod ever fix these errors?

because they are pretty blatant

I could just use NoOrganicLife but it isn't compatible with YesFox

and the bastard will just spawn on the moon anyway

For the other two images I'm talking about the under 30 lbs and yellow scan/biological life for red scans

and the maneater + any modded enemies without a planet config will spawn as well

[meager ivy]

im not sure why either of these are chameleon fixes

"embrion is devoid of biological life" is more of a suggestion than a hard rule

any surface organisms are slaughtered almost immediately by the old birds

but There are theories that a diverse geothermal ecosystem may be thriving within a vast cave network under Embrion's surface. would suggest there is plenty of room for stuff to live underground

where spawns are more common and biological enemies are not automatically killed

rend and dine both say It's highly unlikely for complex life to exist here. and yet they are completely populated by the same enemies as any other moon

as for the clipboards, it's true that they are objectively incorrect, but it's information you are likely to pick up very quickly while playing and not need to cross reference later, so it's not extremely high priority to fix

[limber plover]

well i wasnt really talking about that

i was talking more about the kidnapper fox spawning

[final wagon]

ButteryBalance 🍷

[limber plover]

maybe i dont want to install an entire rebalance mod to get that feature tho

[final wagon]

It's just a compatible alternative for your problem

The mod is also highly customizable, you can disable most features if you want

[meager ivy]

i dont see how the better solution is making people download chameleon to fix it

lol

[flat wraith]

yeah LMAO

[rapid thicket]

I believe thats part of the joke, all the instruction stuff you get is very outdated and the company doesn't even care

[flat wraith]

i think it's kinda funny that we like to play off mistakes and jank as intentional design

it's a really nice quirk of the community and by extension the game pff

[flat geyser]

wtf are you talking about

the kidnapper fox isnt in vanilla

why would this mod fix an inconsistency with removed content

lol

[quaint mason]

Because kidnapper foxes are kind of like

more than the lasso man and red pill

lol

[flat geyser]

ok but how does that fit the scope of chameleon

its unused content that isnt in the game without specific mods to add it back xd

[quaint mason]

It doesn’t, I’m just saying people need to not dog on kidnapper foxes a lot

[flat geyser]

im not dogging on it im stating a fact

i love the fox

but it would be rlly weird for this mod to change a moons info node for no reason (the person asking already has orbits so it would conflict anyways, lol) on the pretense of an enemy that was removed permanently

[meager ivy]

redpill coach

[quaint mason]

WHAT

One pill cheeseburger apocalypse…

[flat geyser]

can i make this a plugin

[quaint mason]

Gonna be real I did not read the above conversation

[flat geyser]

o

[quaint mason]

I just found another opportunity to meatride the kidnapper fox

[flat geyser]

Dont say that

[quaint mason]

After reading though, I don’t know what they’re even talking about

Your explanation doesn’t really correlate with what they’re saying too, it’s so confusing

[flat geyser]

they're talking about embrioj saying its devoid of biological life

and their explanation was the fox spawns there

so they wanted chameleon to change the text

[quaint mason]

Don’t the natural entities spawn on Embrion though
It’s like people forgot about Rend and Dine’s FAUNA descriptions, which have a similar situation to Embrion

[flat geyser]

i guess

to me its like they emerge from the tunnels in ther ground

like it says

smth bt them living underground

[quaint mason]

Also, the Factory is well-protected from old birds

and vain shrouds help hide kidnapper foxes from old birds, and old birds don’t detect plants as threats

[meager ivy]

what would you do if i said no

[quaint mason]

all of it makes sense to a degree

[flat geyser]

not do it

[meager ivy]

well i wont

[quaint mason]

Assassination

[flat geyser]

o

[meager ivy]

so

[flat geyser]

coach red pill

[quaint mason]

Red pill Coach and Lasso Nick 🤑

[meager ivy]

anyways

[flat geyser]

i just didnt know like if you did it already for some reason lol

[meager ivy]

no this is just an editor screenshot and some random google images coach

be free my child

[flat geyser]

i wanna give it sounds

[meager ivy]

anyways the clipboard thing i'd "like to fix" but like i said it's not especially high priority and i don't think it's a chameleon fix

that being said idk where else i'd put it

[flat geyser]

nah just fix the scan colors

xd

[meager ivy]

i think it's a bit too subjective slash out of scope for butteryfixes

since i couldnt replace it with official art and would have to edit the image itself to apply new text

[quaint mason]

Speaking of
How is this subjective, while the changed item pick up/drop sfx in ButteryFixes are not

Some of them feel really off

[meager ivy]

as for the embrion thing

changing the moon info page would not be compatible with mods that already do it (like orbits, as displayed in the screenshot)

and im also just personally not of the opinion that it's a mistake to begin with

[quaint mason]

Zeekerss knew damn well what he was doin’

[meager ivy]

embrion is very devoid of biological life

anything that spawns on the surface dies immediately

except for the kidnapper fox which is its own deal

[quaint mason]

Except for kidnapper foxes because they’re awesome and special

[meager ivy]

and the monster spawns underground fit the description of the cave network ecosystem

"devoid" is the gist and not necessarily literal

[meager ivy]

also, unless i misunderstand, the proposal here is to change spawns which is outside of the scope of chameleon (being purely clientside audio/visual tweaks)

[meager ivy]

i moreso mean that the fix is subjective

the text is objectively wrong

but the manual pages are baked graphics and changing the text would require mimicking the appearance of the existing text to avoid it looking out of place

anyways which sounds in particular are you unhappy with

[quaint mason]

Rebalanced Moons promo for the vain shrouds twinkles eyelashes

[meager ivy]

i've done a pass on it twice now and it's not exactly "final"

[rapid thicket]

at least it being black and white is intentional

[rotund rivet]

i honestly just added some text that says fauna tab is lying...just for the funni

[bleak fog]

Painting using the mask sounds is the only one that bothers me, yeah the painting is presumably a paper canvas but the frame is what dominates its properties. Even if you get the flimsiest frame for a painting irl the whole thing will feel and sound like the frame

If the painting has a plastic frame I can get behind the mask noises, but given the ornate nature of Manor scrap I feel like it is meant be a wooden frame

[quaint mason]

Painting and jar of pickles

Painting because you're holding the wooden(?) frame of the painting, not the painting itself, and jar of pickles because the sound is way too light for it

There was one other that I didn't like, but I forgor

[bleak fog]

I am fine Jar of Pickles personally it is a glass jar with liquid inside, just like the DIY-Flashbang. It feels a tiny bit off yes but overall is more fitting than the metal noise I think

[quaint mason]

Metal noise fit better Imo

Liquid-filled jars, especially ones that have something inside pushing away the liquid (Pickles), don't typically make a lot of noise unless you shake them hard

[bleak fog]

Well the DIY makes a bunch of noise so presumably then our character is not handling them with very much finesse

[quaint mason]

Yeah but the DIY is a bottle, and I imagine it's not in a similar boat as jars of pickles either with the pickles holding the water together

[mental crystal]

I’m currently working on a mod (it’s about 70% done, just dealing with major pain with mod compat) that makes sound much more varied (like mansion main entrance not using a metal door sound) and I had changed some of the pickle jar sounds

I’ll see if I can send the sound tomorrow or so, it’s just a little late where I am.

[rapid thicket]

cool

[rapid thicket]

I agree with this

[flat wraith]

redpill only has one sound you can replace, unless you wanna add more manually

[flat geyser]

yes i meant more

[flat wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lollipop-funny-dog-kind-dog-sweet-dog-silly-dog-gif-9459939677354165303

[limber plover]

Whats orbits

How would it conflict

[flat wraith]

orbits is the mod you're using to have the embrion video present in the ship's radar screen, no?

and it would conflict because it rewrites moon descriptions

[flat geyser]

me when i dont know what i download onto my computer

[naive lichen]

so i read a bit and it seems we are not getting an update soon, but still i wanted to say if its possible to give the entrance mansion door to be config so we can put it in modded interiors too, or if there is any reason on why that isnt an option

bc i love the change but going to the raven mansion from dull for example still has the normal facility door

and it would be cool so we could decide which interiors had that door

[limber plover]

Or better yet release an api tool for modders to implement their own custom entrance doors

[rapid thicket]

that would be nice

[naive lichen]

Peak idea

[flat geyser]

i guess but its so easy to do

theres really no need for an api for this

[flat geyser]

this is reasonable though

some custom interiors use mansion doors

or are similar enough that it fits

i think buttery is more than okay accepting PRs so i could look into that at some point

[naive lichen]

Les goo

[flat geyser]

wait

i actually misread what flamsey said

[naive lichen]

Would be pretty cool thanks for considering

[flat geyser]

i think they meant new entrance door type registration

that would be a bit trickier

[naive lichen]

:0

[naive lichen]

Ye if the other idea is too hard to do i think this would be good

[flat geyser]

ya thats totally not too hard

i could do it easy

your idea, i mean

[naive lichen]

Bc having so many interiors and only having that door for mansion is weird, so would be cool and i would really appreciate it! , and well if the other thing with the api can be possible that would be even better hehe

[meager ivy]

im not that interested in providing support for custom entrance types for custom interiors

just implementing a list for where to apply the manor doors would be a non-issue though

right now it already applies to Scarlet Devil Mansion

that's just hardcoded rather than being a list the user can manually contribute to

i've been sitting on the next version for forever

"soon" i want to release an update that supports the "all" keyword in lists and implements lobbycompatibility

i could add a manor door list in that update if there is demand

[rapid thicket]

that would be nice

[bleak fog]

I would say there is a demand

[near badge]

im not sure if this is a Vanilla bug or a Chameleon bug due to the ReworkFoggyWeather (or maybe a bug from another mod) but whenever i go inside the building the fog from the Foggy weather stops working

[meager ivy]

weird

i'll look at it

99% likely it's a chameleon bug but i guess there's like a 1% it could be something else

[near badge]

here is the code for the profile i was using at the time:
01968e02-e30f-1be2-cc47-eb76c9d4a8ee

[meager ivy]

appreciate it

just to confirm, this issue is only when you have that setting enabled?

i think there's just triggers on some of the vanilla maps that are resetting the fog density back to default

vanilla's foggy weather is a separate object (which is why it's a static color)

[meager ivy]

i replicate this behavior using your profile but not on my own

so my guess is there's some sort of conflict

i will try to narrow down which mod

@near badge ok, the problem is with the volumetricCompensation setting on Lethal Sponge

which makes sense in hindsight

for now I would suggest disabling one or the other

i will see if i can work out a way to make it compatible with scoops

[near badge]

okay, i will just leave volumetricCompensation off for now then

i don't really notice that much difference with it on anyway

[limber plover]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/luakite/Vacuity_Moon/

Are the Giant's colors compatible with Vacuity's winter season dynamic?

[meager ivy]

if it is marked as having snowy footprints

then yes

[rapid thicket]

after v70 releases I presume zeekerzz will probably not update the mansion for a while so maybe that would be the best time to add the variants?

[meager ivy]

the real reason for the delay is i just havent been that interested in adding new features to this mod for a while

i wanted to make an all green variant of the manor "relatively soon"

for the forest moons

and that's probably what i will do when i implement that first variant

i still don't know if i am ready to commit to a big chameleon update though

if the mod isn't broken by v70 i might put it off a little bit longer

and if it is broken i might scale back the scope of what i had planned just to get it working on v70 again

anyways tldr i was already planning to make the first manor variant before v70 anyway

but it is nice that it probably wont get broken by any major changes after v70 launches

[rapid thicket]

if I could help in anyway I would want to

[meager ivy]

i dont know if there's much to do in the way of help

i just dont have the sort of passion for working on it as usual

i have a lot of quick and easy things lined up as soon as im back to work on it, so i can ease back into it once im ready

but im not sure when that time will come

hopefully after v70 i will get that energy back

v70 will definitely bring back the general desire to play

at least

[rapid thicket]

I think maybe a variant of the mansion with wooden walls could possibly work for a more rustic variant

(room from generic interiors)

[flat wraith]

(fun fact this is based off the apartments area of no mercy from l4d)

[timber minnow]

Question that's probably been asked before, but are things like the mineshaft and mansion variants limited to just moon names or can we use tags? Feels like it'd be much nicer to put in a tag to encompass several moons instead of list them all out, especially if you're someone like me with a lot of modded moons.

Like I see that mineshafts have an auto adapt snow toggle but still

[meager ivy]

only moon names right now

tags are an "eventually" feature but i have no eta

in the next version i will support "all" as a keyword to add a variant to all moons

i just havent spent the time integrating lll functionality

[timber minnow]

gotcha

[rapid thicket]

cool

[rapid thicket]

v70 real now

[rapid thicket]

||since it seems the hall walls are brown in the NEW mansion then maybe a version where they're the original color could be good?||

[meager ivy]

yeah sure

i think all pink and all green would be a decent first pass

[rapid thicket]

||also there should be a version of the green house where all the plants are dead||

[rapid thicket]

||a lot of the props in the new rooms don't have collision so you could probably remove them by just making their textures transparent||

[meager ivy]

ohh man i really do not want to update the window variants for the greenhouse tile

sigh

1 material per variant -> 3 materials per variant

[granite rampart]

damn

[twilit drum]

@meager ivy I tried using the planet preview option to see the planets when using the ships external cam but nothing appears on there.

[meager ivy]

if you havent already, you need to increase the security camera distance from 20 back to 150 in the lethal sponge config

[meager ivy]

just a note to all you folks using chameleon in v70... i'm not aware of any majorly broken features, but the ship radar might behave incorrectly in the Ice, Mesa, and Gravel type caverns

the radar is meant to lose signal when observing a player inside the cavern segments of a mineshaft, but it does so by checking the ground material, so me changing the footsteps in that cavern causes that system to break

[rapid thicket]

I think I might've found a bug but I'm gonna make sure its just chameleon

[meager ivy]

chameleon will probably be the last mod i update with v70 compatibility

because i also wanted to add a couple new features at the same time

but if there's something really major then i can redirect

[rapid thicket]

modlist

[rapid thicket]

stain clipping through door

or well the door doesn't block it

lethal quantities shouldn't do anything with visuals and I'm assuming its not just BepInEx

[meager ivy]

as far as i know you should be fine just disabling the ice, mesa, and gravel caverns

it's the only thing that i know causes new v70 code to work improperly, at this point in time

but it shouldn't cause a crash, and you are fine to keep your config as-is if you want to avoid fixing it later

it just means the "no signal" screen wont work in those cavern types

[meager ivy]

are you sure this only happens with chameleon? just to clarify

if it is chameleon's fault, i have a good idea at what's going on

but i'm also a bit surprised if chameleon is interfering with it

[rapid thicket]

maybe not I'll check again tomorrow since it is getting quite late for me

if it isn't chameleon then it would be just BepInEx

[meager ivy]

yea, ok. it's chameleon

should be an easy fix

regarding the new tiles for manor, i dont think i will change the windows on the greenhouse

at least not for a while

im vaguely interested (in the longterm) in overhauling it completely - new background ambient noise and different color lights to match the window type

but at least at first i will probably just leave it as-is, since plants are growing there anyway

and it would be a lot a lot a lot... of effort to address

bedroom will probably be easier and i'll just make it match the window rooms

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[meager ivy]

@acoustic bolt chameleon should be mostly fine but there is a rendering issue with the new fancy doors in the manor

the ones with glass, connected to the greenhouse

if you dont use butteryfixes then the Ice, Gravel, and Mesa caverns won't properly work with the "No signal!" screen on the radar

[acoustic bolt]

Got you

Oh btw I wanted to let you know about a bug too

We got the No Signal screen stuck after going into orbit earlier after having Mineshaft on Calypso

No errors though

[meager ivy]

there is probably some weird edge case thing happening where i revert to vanilla behavior too soon

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah probably, cus for 1 client it updated but the rest of us all saw it saying No Signal

lol

[meager ivy]

it falls back to vanilla behavior automatically if you are in a mineshaft and for some reason my system doesnt cache any cave tiles

my guess is that i took a shortcut somewhere that is causing it to think you are in a mineshaft after going to orbit post mineshaft

since the cave tiles would be uncached by then

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah most likely

[meager ivy]

landing the ship should resolve that, but you are correct that i should be fixing that

i will address it in v1.14.1 which should come soon

gonna clean up a couple quick things i forgot in the big 14

[acoustic bolt]

Nice 😄

[acoustic bolt]

Is there any config setting to disable that will fix that? Or do you just need to push an update for it?

[meager ivy]

whatever the config is that fixes door materials

it will cause factory doors to have one-sided glass again

but it will temporarily resolve that rendering issue

until i can address it properly in the next patch

[acoustic bolt]

ah so this setting

[meager ivy]

i think it's that one

yeah

[meager ivy]

yyyy zeekerss

[meager ivy]

im really hoping the chameleon update comes today

i will be adding a small handful of new features but nothing super major

one of them is a consolation prize for a feature im going to have to adapt

im not 100% sure what i will do about the windows in this patch

maybe I will just leave all of the new tiles' windows untouched to get it done faster

I would like to address the bedrooms at least, though

we'll see what happens

[bleak fog]

Indeed, you are much appreciated Buttery

[rapid thicket]

thanks for doing this

[naive lichen]

Buttery GOATcakes

🐐

[meager ivy]

i am not entirely happy with these so i dont know how much longer it will take

[rapid thicket]

ok

[meager ivy]

to be clear i dont think this is going to be a crazy long delay or anything

it just needs a lot of tweaking and i didnt have enough time to get it all done yesterday

[meager ivy]

one of them is already shaping up a lot nicer

[rapid thicket]

cool

[meager ivy]

i'd like for this to be the next thing i release

afterwards i will either work on upturned variety overhaul or the restore mapper v70 update

and then that kind of marks off most of my mod projects for the time being

[rapid thicket]

cool

[valid osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1321132669001666600/1321134890443477012/mrwiggles.gif

yipppie!

[meager ivy]

zeekerss apparently dipped his toes into foliage diffusion with v70

the new adamance maples use it out-of-the-box

and it looks like he applied it to the default forest foliage as well

not to the snowy stuff though

[acoustic bolt]

I thought when I enabled Chameleon it looks like it affected some of the lighting changes as well, like while in orbit there were dark spots that showed up in the ship I think from how it restores the sun that aren't there without it

Seems he changed quite a bit with v70

[meager ivy]

i think the sun is only visible in orbit

[meager ivy]

mannnn even this bedroom window shit is stressful

it's a lot more obviously a discrepancy than the garage and the greenhouse though

so i want to address them

being honest if i knew zeekerss was gonna add more window tiles

i probably would have never even added this feature to begin with

because it has like 10x'd the amount of work to maintain it

[meager ivy]

yeah i promise you garage and greenhouse will require a complete rewrite

but im gonna hack together something for the bedroom

and as long as it works under normal conditions (plugin installed correctly, in conjunction with a small amount of other mods, etc.) i'm just gonna call it good and ship it

i think im getting close to something functional but it's not yet finished and it's also completely untested

so we will see how completely and utterly wrong i am

[meager ivy]

this is future work stuff

once im no longer in the v70 crunch

[rapid thicket]

hopefully it works

[meager ivy]

some of the worst code i think i have ever written but i am going to ship it anyway as long as it's not broken

this has been delayed long enough

[meager ivy]

i have just one more bug left to fix and then i will release it

i can not figure out for the life of me why it is happening and i am too sleepy to continue working on it

so i will have to figure it out tomorrow

but the update will probably be tomorrow, then

[meager ivy]

alright i am going to give this another shot

this is an extremely minor visual issue so worst case i can just call it "good enough" and release the update anyway

but im gonna give fixing it another try

before calling it quits

[meager ivy]

im a fucking idiot

anyways it should be ready for release in just a couple more minutes now

[indigo elbow]

you are not

I know a lot of idiots and you do not strike me as one

[meager ivy]

ok i have pushed v2.2.0 to thunderstore after months of wait

the big things:

• 2 new cavern types
• bedroom tile supports window skins
• "all" can now be used in weighted list settings to apply a base weight to all moons
• fixed graphical issues with greenhouse doors

sorry that it took me so long

[naive lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hyppy-gif-9091438043443803258

Yay!!!

[flat wraith]

YAAAY AWESOME

[valid osprey]

YIPPEIE THANKIEEEE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1321132669001666600/1321134890443477012/mrwiggles.gif

[valid osprey]

The wait is always worth it!

[mental crystal]

The new cave types look great!

[flat wraith]

oh nits peak

[meager ivy]

lol they were relatively low effort on my part

i just wanted an alternative to the ice cave since the footstep change had to be made

i did tweak it a lot until i was happy with the color of it

at first it was pure white which was both excessively bright and turned like an ugly blue/green when you were walking around in the dark

slate was just another easy drop-in variant for gravel

i figured they would just be kind of nothing but if people like them i am glad

[rapid thicket]

this is great

[flat wraith]

it looks great stan!! I think i'll be using it for dine heheh

[flat geyser]

this mod suuuuucks!

[naive lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flabbergasted-shocked-wink-reaction-gif-25698054

[naive furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/green-cat-gif-18159608303563312298

[manic gale]

[04:49:07.3470645] [Error  : Unity Log] Unable to open archive file: Z:/home/diffoz/.local/share/com.kesomannen.gale/lethal-company/profiles/Lunxaras Profile/BepInEx/plugins/ButteryStancakes-Chameleon/slatecave
[04:49:07.3480645] [Error  : Unity Log] Failed to read data for the AssetBundle 'Z:\home\diffoz\.local\share\com.kesomannen.gale\lethal-company\profiles\Lunxaras Profile\BepInEx\plugins\ButteryStancakes-Chameleon\slatecave'.
[04:49:07.3490645] [Error  : Chameleon] Encountered some error loading assets from bundle "slatecave". Did you install the plugin correctly?

While testing Lunx profile found this

[acoustic bolt]

☠️

[meager ivy]

there is no reason it should be trying to read from a slatecave bundle

i might have made a mistake somewhere

i will have a look, thank you for notifying me

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy Is FixDoorMeshes something I can turn off ingame? I suspect it only applies it on map load

[meager ivy]

i forget how i implemented it

probably yes

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah it is, I had to turn it off cus it breaks the Entrance doors for Wesley's Atlantean Citadel after his new update for some of his tags

Namely the Junic and Volcanic ones

Idk if any others break

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy This still needs fixed

Yeah so the slatecave file just doesn't exist

Salt is also missing

Also why is this stuff just not in like a merged AssetBundle or smth?

[meager ivy]

yes salt/slate arent supposed to have bundles

they are in separate bundles to minimize memory usage if you dont enable all of the features

[acoustic bolt]

Ah well they end up erroring and not working for some reason

[meager ivy]

they work fine for me and you should just be able to ignore the errors

i wrap all asset bundle calls in a try catch

i have fixed this im pretty sure in the next version

but i havent pushed it yet

[wide nimbus]

Sorry, meow, the Lethal Company Modding community has restricted the ability to share links to that specific platform. Please use modmail if you have any questions or this is an important link, mew!

[naive lichen]

😮

[flat wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/wega-frankenstein-club-penguin-ojos-eyes-gif-5869169878994513993

die pawsy

[flat geyser]

meow

[wide nimbus]

Meow meow!

[flat geyser]

meooow

meow meow

[wide nimbus]

Meow meow!

[flat wraith]

DIE!!!

[bleak fog]

Pawsy moment

[bleak fog]

Something I thought, could there be an option to blacklist the ambient music from playing on certain moons, kinda like Eclipsed weather blocking them? Many custom moons have their own ambient tracks or are going for an eerie mood, which the ambient music clashes with

[valid osprey]

wouldn't that kinda be a problem with the moon?

[bleak fog]

It also happens with Embrion by the way. That moons has faint but nonetheless present unique ambience

[valid osprey]

experimentation also has a unique ambience, though only for the fire exit area

unless that's a different kind of ambient sound

no wait

yea no that's different nevermind

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy Any chance you can push a compat update for the cave stuff to work with Wesley's Expanded Mineshaft interior?

[naive lichen]

i also wanted to ask if the new v70 fake windows were gonna get a tweak too

i know buttery doesnt really wanna work in this mod anymore which is kinda sad :c

[meager ivy]

yeah im not exactly comfortable with "abandoning" it but i have felt absolutely 0 pull to work on this as of recent

lethal progress has been slow for me in general recently, but there is almost nothing i feel like actually working on here right now

purple already told me about wesley's manor and mineshaft stuff and i might get around to updating for it soon

depending on how involved of a process that will be

[bleak fog]

tbf I think your mods are in a pretty good place. I have suggested a few things to your mods I would like to see added, but nothing huge that is ruining the game

Up to date, good configs, fixes major and relevant game aspects, and runs well - a combination that is not true for most mods

[flat wraith]

this is so true

[naive lichen]

yeah true

i love this mod

[proven quarry]

Can confirm aswell, im still using this mod to this day because of that

[gaunt dirge]

Also agree here; I count all of your mods, including this one, as extremely reliable and worthwhile ones. You did a great job making mods that simply tweak, fix, and detail vanilla ^-^

[timber minnow]

The only issue I can think of, and I could be misremembering or perhaps this got fixed, was at one point I think the fix for the facility door texture to make the glass show on both sides broke one of the doors in one of Wesley's interiors, or at least one of its variants. Again, maybe I'm remembering wrong or that got fixed, but I agree. Overall I don't think it really needs much more.

Oh, I might've just remembered I tried to make the mansion fake window be the broken version this mod adds but the moon name had a dash or space or something (Sector-0 and Starship-13 I think) and got a warning in the logs about not parsing that name correctly so it was skipped. Forgot to look into that more.

[meager ivy]

im not sure why my code would have issues parsing a dash

but worst case scenario, sector and starship should still be detected okay?

as long as you dont have multiple moons that start with those common words

[timber minnow]

I’ll check it again sometime

[rapid thicket]

this is definitely one of my favorite mods

[rapid thicket]

Dine being the Butler Murder Mansion (#1308174824505479290 message) has been cemented even further in v73

[meager ivy]

lol yes

i would still like to get back to that "noir-esque" manor variant for dine eventually

and a green manor variant just because i FUCING LOVE GREEN!!!!

[flat wraith]

free green

[meager ivy]

unfortunately i also need to rewrite the windows patch and that sucks a lot of the fun out of manor updates

[mental crystal]

Save it until later and do it very slowly

with a podcast or something

Then when it inevitably doesnt get released due to the sluggish workflow blame the fact you lost the files or reiterate that you worked at blizzard for 7 years

[meager ivy]

sounds oddly targeted but that (🏴‍☠️) must just be a coincidence

[rapid thicket]

GREEN MANSION

HELL YEAH

you could probably reuse something like the giant sap sucker's feather texture for the hide rug

[gaunt dirge]

A green mansion could actually go hard, especially considering the plant rooms that are now featured

Certainly a nice variant to have

[indigo elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-cat-glorp-cat-glerp-alien-gif-1655357165594988381

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-crocodile-hydraulic-press-lyle-lyle-crocodle-gif-16254847002255442983

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[gaunt dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-elmo-green-elmo-mscelmo-gif-24557102

[rapid thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/green-light-dank-dank-alert-bonusly-dank-bonusly-gif-11942595

[trim plaza]

Subliminal messaging

[flat wraith]

@meager ivy hey buttery!!!! i hope you're doing fine

do you think maybe chameleon's option to have march always be rainy conflicts with weather registry's way of doing weather?

cuz I have a pack where I set a custom weather to 1000 weight on all moons, it works for all moons Except march

[meager ivy]

chameleon should have absolutely 0 effect

it doesn't even change march's weather

it just enables the rain particles as if it was rainy when there's no other weather types active

[flat wraith]

does it just add the rain effects to the scene or smth?

[meager ivy]

butterybalance has an option to actually add rainy weather to march

which you should probably disable if you're using that

if you're using custom weather mods you might also want to disable the "multiplayer weather scaling" setting or whatever i called it

just to make sure im not touching weather at all

[flat wraith]

oh motherfucker

yeah it was that LOL tysm

insightful as always stanley

Hachiware Thank You

[flat wraith]

sounds good!

[gaunt dirge]

Hey, just wanted to ask; Any chance currently that wesley's expanded mineshaft could be made compatible? That'd be absolutely beautiful. I for one won't ever go back to vanilla mineshafts with this premium experience

[mental crystal]

Surely this is something that’s on Wesley’s part and not buttery I’d imagine

Since Wesley’s mineshaft is a whole separate interior, even if it looks similar

[gaunt dirge]

Could be, idk how Chameleon does this. If so, I'd forward my request to him

[meager ivy]

i havent worked with chameleon in a while

wesley's compatibility is something "i want to do eventually" but i havent really felt the motivation to work with it right now

i think it's probably a problem on my end and not wesley's

i think all of my mineshaft stuff only applies when currentDungeonType == 4 because i didnt expect anybody would ever clone the mineshaft and add it under a new interior ID

which is, at least I assume, what wesley's expanded mineshaft is

a brand new interior that re-implements the original stuff and then alters it

[gaunt dirge]

That is the case

It is a new flow

Level3ButCoolerFlow X3

But that sounds like a rather simple way to make it work then, no?

[meager ivy]

i can maybe just check the dungeon flow name

but if I'm required to implement LLL then it's probably going indefinitely on the backburner

proper LLL support is also something i've loosely wanted for ages but I've just never felt the motivation to do it

[gaunt dirge]

That's understandable tbh. If you can just check the dungeon flow name that'd be awesome. If it requires messing with LLL I can completely understand if you'd rather not touch it for now ^-^'

[azure spade]

disabling all giant skins in enemyskinregistry will ensure chameleon's giant skins work, right?

[meager ivy]

i have never tested it for myself, but assuming ESR doesnt apply any changes if no weights are setup, then yes, it should be fine

[azure spade]

alr

[rapid thicket]

yeah

I've found that they only work if the normal skin is selected

the enemyskinregistry ones go above chameleon

[meager ivy]

well the chamelon skin is dynamic

when a forest giant gets lit on fire, if it was snowy before, it switches back to the normal skin (like the snow "melted")

and then there's a charred black skin after they die to fire

i imagine those changes would probably take precedence over ESR, at least

since they happen after spawning

unless ESR completely clones and replaces the renderers or something

[rapid thicket]

yeah I'm not sure if they would but I do know that I had the normal giant skin on snowy moons and it showed up as chameleon and on another moon it was the enemyskinregistry one

[flat wraith]

oo that sounds cool asf, I noticed they were darker but I never got a good look at em

do you happen to have those textures on hand perhaps?

it would be gnarly for an ESR skin

(not saying i'm gonna do it obviously but im just fantasizing)

[meager ivy]

vanilla, snowy, burnt

i just made these in paint.net with no respect to the UVs so it probably wraps kind of ugly on to the model

but the textures themselves are so rough i dont think it's a major issue

[meager ivy]

also if you want to use them to release something like this go nuts

i dont really care

[flat wraith]

I mean the basegame textures don't wrap all that well either

[flat wraith]

I could if I ever learn it, we'll see :3c

thank you!!

[rapid thicket]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JackdeDestroyer/Chameleon_Giants_Standalone/

Mahaha

I did it first

[meager ivy]

the thumbnail is good

congratulations

[rapid thicket]

||(my previous mod)||

[flat wraith]

that's so peak

I had no intent on making this any time soon so ty lmao

[azure spade]

how compatible are this mod's weather-related features with other weather mods?

[naive lichen]

At least gordion works fine

Idk bout march

[proper geyser]

what chameleon does is just adding the rainy effect without the puddles on march, having it on you may run into having actual rainy march and not noticing

[azure spade]

i moreso meant the doorlightcolors and weatherambience features

[mental crystal]

weatherambience doesnt work with modded weathers
doorlightcolors works with modded moons but not weathers

[azure spade]

damn

[gaunt dirge]

The absolute peak update dropped. Thanks a ton, @meager ivy ! It is an absolute blast to see this mod updated to work with Wesley's vanilla interior variants ^-^

[flat wraith]

oh that's so fucking awesome

[gaunt dirge]

Just a blessing for my vanilla-like modpack

The entire mod

And as I recently set it up to only spawn Wesley's variants (except manor) this is a godsent

[bleak fog]

Extra compatibility is always a win

[naive lichen]

WAIT WHAT???

COMPAT IS REAL?!

i wills crys

https://tenor.com/view/this-peaks-memes-gif-16921095133411355177

[rapid thicket]

crazy

[rapid thicket]

@meager ivy recently a mod came out that add the pre-v70 mansion as a new interior and I was wondering if you could add compatibility, I presume it would be pretty much the same as the wesley's interiors one

this is the mod https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MBCollector672/OldMansion/
the interior is labeled as v62Mansion-Level2Flow

[meager ivy]

the next time i update i will probably add manual entry to the config

but i will put this in the default list

Thanks