RebalancedMoons + Atlas

[sharp finch]

obviously RNG will change how much legwork "pretty" is doing in that sentence

[snow kite]

Well yeah

[sharp finch]

but i think interior danger is a lot more of a problem than exterior danger, generally

[snow kite]

Embrion is the hardest with no equipment

Is what I mean

[sharp finch]

embrion is tiny on the inside and has extremely low power caps and spawn rates

titan generates sprawling dungeons and loads them full of difficult monsters

[zenith dust]

extension ladder strat works so well though

[sharp finch]

i think the reward is a lot better than it has been historically, though

rend and artifice still have the risk/reward problem of being too rewarding with not enough risk and that makes titan less desirable

i personally think rend deserves nerfs to its rewards and artifice deserves increased risk but there is a spectrum there

opinions may vary

[snow kite]

I agree for every moon except Embrion, its exterior is crazy enough to make up for that

[snow kite]

They definitely do imo, Artifice’s power levels are literally the same as Adamance (13 for both interior and exterior caps)

Rend with only 10 power is farcical

[sharp finch]

i dont think rend needs to be harder because it's the transition from free moons into premium moons

the snowstorm and the sprawling wilderness is a new challenge you aren't subjected to in any free moon really

in terms of challenge i think rend feels pretty good

it's just that it outranks the rewards of dine and (usually) titan, which sucks when they are both way harder to play

[snow kite]

I guess, though Adamance exterior is pretty brutal and arguably harder than Rend, even without Rend exterior knowledge

Blizzard is not terrible if you use your brain

[sharp finch]

i think adamance's exterior is a bit overtuned rather than rend being undertuned

adamance was created using artifice as a template and zeekerss did not touch most of its spawn values

[snow kite]

True actually

[sharp finch]

so it's quite literally in the wrong tier

[snow kite]

So true

[sharp finch]

sorry i only just realized this is the rebalanced moons thread

idk if this is derailing

[zenith dust]

you are talking about moon balancing

[sharp finch]

i suppose

[snow kite]

Well not the same kind

I do like the idea of nerfing Rend’s scrap rather than buffing its enemies though, it makes for a better transition moon (maybe knock price down to 400 credits) and give Dine more room to breathe

[languid fiber]

Of all the moons Adamance is the only one I do a little bit of adjusting
I make it pretty prominent with Tulip Snakes during the day and toned down the number of enemies for the night, 13 is just too much with how narrow places end up being

[snow kite]

I should mention the power cap is only half the issue, the Baboon Hawk spawn chance exasperates it big time (54% spawn chance iirc). Map gets flooded with them

[zenith dust]

I remove giants so the terminal text doesn't lie about "Home to a lively, diverse ecosystem of smaller-sized omnivores."

[snow kite]

“Embrion is devoid of biological life”

“Unlikely for complex life to exist”

The fauna text constantly lies to us

[zenith dust]

in my config the terminal doesn't lie (besides "the Unlikely for complex life to exist" but thats "Unlikely")

[snow kite]

True

What is your Embrion solution

[zenith dust]

inside its only stuff like coilheads and supernatural creatues

also a butler cameo

[snow kite]

What about exterior

[zenith dust]

uhhh yeah theres still a little bit of "organic life" but thats mainly for them to be kill instantly by the old birds

also theres a very rare chance for during the day for a single manticoil to spawn

[snow kite]

Real

If you wanna get super technical the expanded bio on Embrion mentions a subterranean ecosystem so Worms are appropriate

That is what I did for my modpack, removed dogs and giants and buffed worm spawn weight to fill in for them

[zenith dust]

yeah

[woven tiger]

why would zeekerss do this

[brave lotus]

i think moons would be easier to balance if there were more enemy types

vanilla (and modded with more moons obviously more) has a lot of enemy overlap

so much that imo the 'lore' for why feels like a cheap justification

this moon has these enemies, that one has the same but minus one with this other new one, that other one has all enemies except these two, etc

thats why some moons end up too similar and the only way you can combat that is fine tuning a bunch of numbers for what spawns more often on scrap and enemies

ideally both interiors and monsters would be as unique as the exteriors

ofc thats massively harsh and hard to do

[crude valley]

enemies harder than interiors and exteriors unfortunately

[brave lotus]

it would of course be better if each moon had its own roster of enemies and specific interior but then lethal should be a 30$ game

[crude valley]

lethal would cost a lot more than that for that kind of thing lol

[brave lotus]

right

[crude valley]

a majority of games unique enemy count is about the same amount as LC currently has ngl. aside from bigger rpg type shit

[brave lotus]

i have almost no game variance but the few games i did play usually dont have as many enemies so youd be right

i think id be fine with the moons not having as much overlap anyway

this moon has grass and trees, it must spawn a bracken a lizard and a few other bugs rarely, and also maybe a giant
this moon is a wasteland factory type thing, i can imagine thumpers and coilhead being the main thing
a moon with water and vegetation could be full of bugs and hydrogere with a rare chance of seeing the bracken again, not to mention giants
a snowy moon, with a cozy interior, would surely have butlers and nutcrackers, a girl could be a fitting rare occurence

now i dont have the spawns and moons memorized at all im still a bit green to the game but it feels like its too overlapped and like after a certain moon the rest can have almost every enemy

i cant criticize it tho, with it being an indy that costs so little and the amount of fun its brought me, this is a lot of nitpicking lol

have had way less fun and way less hours on games that cost me a kidney and modding is either impossible or straight up penalized for that kind of game

that said im glad mods like this and others let you fine tune whatever small problems id have

[cunning vine]

imo i like a lot of moons having the chance to spawn a large amount of enemies, as it makes moons a lot more balanced. at the same time, i feel like there should be moons that specialize in 1-3 types of enemies, similarly to how vow is known to have frequent bracken spawns

[languid fiber]

A nice blend of the two is honestly the best result

Some can be a hodgepodge of everything, some themed around a single enemy or even a group of enemies

Like what I did at least for smth like Generic's Collateral, I made the interior only have "insect"-type enemies, stuff like the bugs, fleas, spider, maneater, etc.

I think having a favor towards one is a bit more healthy overall so that there's still some level of variety in what you're encounter, even if smth like a Bracken in Vow is gonna be the common challenge

Cause you can get stuff like Coils on that moon and Bracky sure gets a lot more cumbersome if you're left having to juggle both (especially prior to the Coil's v60 changes)

[brave lotus]

i agree that having plenty enemies is great but it feels like every moon has
[enemy1]:43, [enemy2]:38, [enemy3]:38, [enemy4]:32, [enemy5]:27, [enemy6]:22, [enemy7]:3, [enemy8]:1, [enemy9]:1

experimentation:
Centipede:51,Bunker Spider:58,Hoarding bug:28,Flowerman:13,Crawler:16,Blob:31,Girl:1,Puffer:28,Nutcracker:1

vow:
Centipede:48,Bunker Spider:40,Hoarding bug:63,Flowerman:80,Crawler:9,Blob:28,Spring:6,Puffer:19,Clay Surgeon:14,Maneater:53

offense: Centipede:27,Bunker Spider:44,Hoarding bug:16,Flowerman:3,Crawler:55,Blob:32,Spring:25,Puffer:7,Nutcracker:2,Maneater:17

the numbers also seem random

it does seem like there are 'main' enemies but theyre overshadowed by the 5 other trillion enemies

the weights are very small, yea, in offense the bracken is a 3 nutcracker is a 2 and puffer is a 7

but if theyre gonna be that low why be there...

bit too many enemies per moon i think

[languid fiber]

You should see how goofy the numbers are for Dine, like everything's super low

[brave lotus]

yep

shouldve brought htat up but i knew thatd be an exaggerated example

before getting into modded i thought moons had 2-3 enemies commonly and one rare enemy, exp's being the girl and offense's being nutcrackers

but after seeing them in lll its like

so everything spawns everywhere if the game wants it to kinda dumb

[gleaming pilot]

This. I ran into this issue when I started giving moons only 2 interiors to try increase variety, but I was just removing the chance for rare interiors, which help make the moons more interesting.

[gleaming pilot]

except clay surgeon and masked 😭

[brave lotus]

the coolest mfs

[snow kite]

I found that by shuffling the enemy pools a bit you can make the moons have more varied enemy selections without piling on a ton of modded monsters.

In my modpack I made Spore Lizards and Hygroderes outside daytime spawns, Barbers are outside nighttime spawns, and outright removed the super-rare spawns from moons. Basically trimming the fat from interior spawns and using them to boaster outside spawns. The only thing is that there is no more free power cap being taken up by Spore Lizards or anything

[forest plover]

and to add to it, monsters have their own spawn curves throughout the day. So theres a risk you wont see some even though they can spawn

I like trimming my enemy list into tiers of how often a monster should spawn on a moon

[sharp finch]

i would like to see a little more work put into making enemies spawn uniquely

in future versions of lethal company

the maneater and barber were done pretty well in that regard

they can both spawn lots of places, but the maneater has by far the highest spawn chance on vow (and has increased spawn chances in mineshafts)

which are good at making it feel like a themed enemy and make the places that feature it unique as well

barbers are extremely common on dine and embrion and extremely rare pretty much everywhere else

with very few other examples of "uniqueness" i agree that the game mostly feels too homogenous

i think it's good that artifice can spawn every single thing in the game with a decent chance since it's currently lethal endgame

but like, outside of that

i agree that experimentation, assurance, and vow all feel borderline identical on the inside in terms of enemy spawns

with vow having only a few exceptions like the maneater and bracken

offense is a good example of a unique fauna experience (i just don't think it's a particularly fun one; coils and thumpers, wow!)

rend is the only other major one that comes to mind

because it very obviously spawns more nutcrackers than any other moon

dine used to be "the butler moon" but it has been going through an identity crisis for a while now

because now it's the best place to find barbers too

and also butlers have gotten tuned out of the spawnlist in every update since v50

to the point where they are still dine's most common spawn but not the way they used to be

dine now also has the highest mineshaft chance of the tier 3s and butlers are awful in mineshafts

barbers are too, on that note

so in general that's kind of horrible

[forest plover]

yeah

variety gets even worse if you take it upon yourself to remove some of them per interior

i know i have blobs turned off for wesleys grand armory just cause of how ai works with the elevators

[brave lotus]

yaaay my discourse made people say things im not alone

[snow kite]

Probably why Bulter spawn chance got nerfed a bit, he still has a ~28% spawn chance though which is the highest of any interior monster iirc, Nutcracker on Rend is ~24%

But yeah I do like the idea of themed interior monsters, though I think it is less important than exterior monsters

[languid fiber]

Well outdoor has such as small pool of enemies that it's more feasible to do a mix of just about anything

Indoor has a pretty varied pool so it makes it easier to think of themes

[brave lotus]

thing is i have all these modded moons and id have to do it for all of them and its too much 😢

like 10% are from actually playing

the rest testing debugging and configurating

zeker pls overhaul !

[forest plover]

frfr

[sinful jungle]

can someone explain to me what the issue is here

i dont understand what this person is saying

i dont use the "giant fucking space rocket replaces the dropship for some reason" mod so idk whats going on here

[languid fiber]

Hmm, I'm thinking what they're trying to say is that items from the giant space schmeet are ending up in the environment, making them unobtainable

Also making a request you terraform other moons to accommodate for that mod specifically or, something?

[sinful jungle]

i see

i will not be doing that lol

[languid fiber]

Hard to say if the place that the items are getting stuck in are due to this mod or due to the fact that it's an enormous rocket that takes up an absurdly huge amount of space

[sinful jungle]

i literally dont touch the dropship on adamance...

so like

if theres issues i feel like thats on the devs of that mod

not my responsibility

[languid fiber]

Yeah that's defo on their end and not yours

I'm ngl the giant rocket is just so silly to look at

[snow kite]

The giant rocket must land in a different spot

It is a pretty funny mod though, like why

[sinful jungle]

I fuck with it lol its very silly

but i cannot do compat for every mod in existence unfortunately

i will shrivel up and die

probably

[snow kite]

Ok I looked, the mod is a reskin that replaces the normal dropship with a SpaceX rocket

[sinful jungle]

i know what it does

[snow kite]

Funny enough it says it has a built-in tool that lets you change the landing position of the rocket, just tell the guy to use that

[sinful jungle]

Lol???

[snow kite]

“Ship landing position can be modified, you first need to enable Custom Positioning Tool in the mod Config, then press [P] in game”

Sounds simple enough

[sinful jungle]

wow i assumed it would be coordinates based

thats pretty cool

[sharp finch]

lol yeah you can literally adjust it realtime and there's a preview and everything

it is turbo user friendly

[sinful jungle]

wow props to that dev lol

that's actually kinda sick

[snow kite]

If only CustomLogs that kind of UI 😭

[zenith dust]

???

is this foggy'er?

[sinful jungle]

i can't tell the difference sorry

i need a better comparison

[sharp finch]

this looks mostly normal to me

[sinful jungle]

im legit using vanilla fog values now (except for snowy moons)

if you want vanilla fog on snowy moons then turn off hdri skies

[mental breach]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-exactly-the-same-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-they-are-very-similar-they-are-alike-gif-21987439

[zenith dust]

I think the companymale quotaset is getting to me

[snow kite]

The think the cel-shading is messing with you

[tawdry spruce]

jeeeeesus dude

WHA

[dense hull]

Zeekerss if he wasn't fucking around /j

[tawdry spruce]

OOOHHkay dude

at the very least this is unnecessary
at the very most i'm probably gonna want to suplex you out a second story window the millisecond i become the last person left

that feature is nothing short of abhorrent

[dense hull]

Doesn't seem that bad

[sinful jungle]

its optional :P

[dense hull]

Is this Embrion-exclusive?

[sinful jungle]

no its titan

[tawdry spruce]

i hope you say that when you're trapped and betrayed in the hyperbolic cave system with goku peering at you from the depths

[dense hull]

Oh, weirdly fitting

I like that

[sinful jungle]

embrion still has the

very lightly purple tint

[tawdry spruce]

does anyone actually go to embrion like
unironically

[dense hull]

It's grown on me since it looks more like different bulbs than

[sinful jungle]

i think its kinda fun with my changes

[dense hull]

Idk

You know Fission-C's green int lights

That's what I mean

[tawdry spruce]

i feel like any time i would go there would be at the end of a lethal session where we're all screaming and panicking bc nobody knew that pulling the apparatus activated all the old birds

[dense hull]

Looks good

[tawdry spruce]

mainly because my group will restrain me from entering that moon into the terminal

other than that though i don't really know who goes there

[dense hull]

Why do y'all have such strict groups tf

[tawdry spruce]

they're not really strict, it's more like

they will gang up on me and throw me to the wolves

[dense hull]

The bush wolves?

[tawdry spruce]

the bush wolves

also the loot's honestly not that good for a paid moon, it's a really long walk unless you use the cruiser (and good luck with that when old birds start coming), and

well yeah ofc the old birds being more of a hassle than the planet's worth

[dense hull]

Embrion isn't meant to be taken seriously

[tawdry spruce]

it's a very funny joke moon to land on to watch everyone get burned to ashes

[dense hull]

Yea

[tawdry spruce]

but besides that i don't really know anyone who goes there legitimately

[dense hull]

I once turned my Embrion into a Tier 5, and it was pretty good

It wasn't really all that different from vanilla Embrion aside from scrap and a few indoor entity differences

The main threat was still there

[tawdry spruce]

well yeah that's modifying it

i'm just talking like base vanilla embrion

if you turn it into a good moon it's gonna be a good moon

[dense hull]

It's alright base game with a tzp/cruiser/jetpack

[tawdry spruce]

at least i think that's what you meant by making it into a tier 5

[dense hull]

Without it, it's just meh

The old birds aren't that big of a deal once you know what makes them tick

It's not as bad as people make it out to be

[zenith dust]

yes

[sharp finch]

embrion is pretty decent in vanilla with the cruiser

it's not offensively bad like it was in v50

[dense hull]

21-Offensively lol

[sharp finch]

but it still has worse profits than adamance and is not free to visit

so

[sinful jungle]

i remember you specifically saying embrion is deceptively "cruiser friendly"

did you just get the hang of it finally

lol

[sharp finch]

yeah i definitely said that

but it was probably in the first few days of v56

before we understood the cruiser controls

[sinful jungle]

was it?

i forgor

[sharp finch]

before i learned how the pedal controls worked

i found it basically impossible to drive

but once you learn that + the fact that the steering wheel doesn't auto-neutral (which is obvious if you look at the steering wheel but i didn't notice it on my own)

it's like magic

[tawdry spruce]

"it's finee it's fine. Vector, you comin'?"
Vector exactly one minute and thirty-seven seconds in:

[sinful jungle]

i lowkey hate the vanilla cruiser

i am used to the booster seat and the auto resetting wheel

and the ability to lean

[sharp finch]

i like everything about the vanilla cruiser except the bugs

i use cruiser improved but with all the bonus features turned off

for me the biggest issue is dogs pathing in to the ship wherever you have it parked

[sinful jungle]

even puffo has suggested that you should be able to lean to see behind yourself in the cruiser

[sharp finch]

and then damaging it, making noise, and getting stuck in a loop just completely destroying the car

[sinful jungle]

it just feels like something that should be a thing

[sharp finch]

even if you turn off the engine and put it in park

the two things to make the cruiser silent and immovable

the only thing you can do

[zenith dust]

auto resetting wheel for me is the only thing I can't live without

[tawdry spruce]

oh dude the vanilla cruiser is literally just unplayable without BetterVehicleControls

[sharp finch]

meanwhile you can play the radio full blast and dogs just ignore it in vanilla

i don't think using the booster seat or leaning is like

"cheating"

[sinful jungle]

same

[sharp finch]

in the spirit of the game i personally use the cruiser how it is

[sinful jungle]

ts the only thing i use from it

[sharp finch]

but i like the leaning and i would love for that to become a feature so i dont have to feel conflicted about it

i care less about the booster seat but it would also be ok QoL

once you drive in the cruiser long enough you don't really need the boost

you just have "the feel"

i don't like auto-centering but i feel like that's basically just QoL as well

i think it actually makes cruiser jumps harder to execute

but i dont like cruiser jumping anyway so that really doesnt matter

[snow kite]

Real life cars are easier to drive than Cruiser

Even as someone who can handle the Cruiser overall its finicky controls still get me

It controls more like a boat, with the ramping steering and the throttle-based gas

[tawdry spruce]

man this is honestly making me want to make a horror modpack

[cinder jackal]

Muahahahhameowahahahhah

noo how did it miss this one

[dense hull]

Wtf were you trying to do?

[cinder jackal]

theres a meow in it and pawsy caught it last time..

[summer pewter]

Meow!

[sinful jungle]

meow

[summer pewter]

Meow!

[cinder jackal]

Pawsy hi meow

NO

[cinder jackal]

why no response...

left on read...

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch i have spent the last hour or so resculpting my terrain changes and then "beautifying" the faces on dine's terrain (vanilla on left, new thing on right)

unfortunately it isnt perfect i had to make the angle limit really low so there was no quality degradation, but it feels like at least a mild improvement to me

i felt like this was a little cool so i wanted to share

(theres a lot less shading artifacts on the outer terrain)

[sharp finch]

i dont really see a difference :-(

it like completely leaves my memory when i tab out of one picture and check the other

[sinful jungle]

just a lot less lines

i couldnt get rid of them all though

less of this

[sharp finch]

oh i kinda see now

[sinful jungle]

i cant really like

go overboard with it because it starts to change how the actual level looks

do you know how to prevent this from happening when beautifying faces @green terrace :V

the face stretching stuff

i tried reprojecting the uvs and it didnt really help

[green terrace]

Ok it looks like you have UVs for different vertices assigned to exactly the same coordinates

just an FYI, idk why exactly but a lot of vertices on vanilla meshes are duplicated

like there are two in the same spot

[sinful jungle]

there are not

not here

[green terrace]

What exactly do you mean by "beautifying" here? Using that option on blender?

[sinful jungle]

ye

trying to fix a lot of the shading artifacts on dine

this does that for me

but it also

does that sometimes

to a few faces

[green terrace]

ooh, that thing does a lot of stuff under the hood depending on the geometry, I think it can even delete vertices in some cases

[sinful jungle]

i figured out a decent enough method

doing tris to quads and then doing it gave me much better results

much greater difference on the outer terrain

way less "streaky"

[obtuse mortar]

yeah generally you'll wanna turn the tri's to quads first step

[sinful jungle]

this is awesomeee

[sinful jungle]

here's the before and after

neat little 10k face decrease

and in editor

[sharp finch]

looks very smooth

[sinful jungle]

it is and when swapping back and forth i cant tell the difference (other than less artifacts) so its perfect for gameplay too

but im a bit worried of how this would work with lethal elements

the snow

because flat areas like this were simplified a lot

so i might not use this but we'll see

[sharp finch]

idk what lethal elements is

[sinful jungle]

snow mod

i think it has like

dynamic snow layers

so

[rancid gale]

Buttery is missing out fr

[green terrace]

Oh no, you did the same thing Zeekerss did on Assurance
Yes this will make the snow look broken because tesselation doesn't work well with such inhomogeneous triangle sizes... There's a fix for that: people will have to add your changed moons in a mesh processing list in my mod's config, but it would need to be manual, cause idk about a way to detect this automatically.
In general any vertex based shader needs a proper, rather uniform mesh to work correctly. Also these additional 8k triangles won't make any difference on modern PCs, so unless this is absolutely necessary I'd leave it as it is for the sake of compat (ultimately up to you tho)

[green terrace]

These are especially problematic

[mental breach]

Is it all the rebalanced scenes? March didn't seem to have any problems

[green terrace]

This is not live yet

[mental breach]

Ah

[kind horizon]

rebalanced moons causes these weird entries to generate with lethal constellations

idk if its intentional since the auto assign themselves to sections

[forest plover]

you can add them into the ignore list and it will remove them, I just had this problem

Though it looks like (thats Gale right?) your mod manager removes the special character so they are even easier to identify

[kind horizon]

o nice nice

what even are they anyways

[forest plover]

ah i dont remember the exact reason, but its how the scene replacement is done or something

[kind horizon]

yeah thats gale

how would I filter them?

since i dont have the special characters i cant exactly type them in

[forest plover]

gotta copy paste the title

Edit the constellation name for each of those to remove me or something, open the actual file and then copy paste the moon name

oh wait i can give you it i think

[kind horizon]

that would be amazing ty

[forest plover]

Thats my ignore list
Liquidation,Moon2Example,Tіtan,Rеnd,Offеnsе,Mаrch,Embrіon,Dіne,Assurance

see they look exactly like the word but they arent

[kind horizon]

interesting

also while im here

is it a known bug

where client players cant use the constellation command

only the host can in my pack

[kind horizon]

TYSMMM

[forest plover]

ehhh no clue, my team has me do all of the constellation management

[kind horizon]

id ask at the

[forest plover]

#1269406512313405571 should be here

[kind horizon]

constellation thread

but

THERE WE ARE

TY

i was super struggling to find that the other day

[forest plover]

haha np i use both of these

[sinful jungle]

ye i scrapped it already

i didnt notice those areas xd

[dense hull]

Replaced Rainy on Dine with Foggy.

https://tenor.com/view/dog-with-red-scarf-dog-red-scarf-scarf-stretched-gif-27439095

[sinful jungle]

the mud annoyed me one too many times

[dense hull]

Does disabling your Dine's scene also disable this change

[gloomy moth]

Wait what about Rend

[sinful jungle]

rend doesnt rain

also probably not

[gloomy moth]

It storms

[sinful jungle]

ye but the rain is harder so i can excuse it

none of the snowy moons had rainy until v50

dine randomly got it and i dont like it

i rlly thought rend got the rain too but it was only dine

ig it was in zeek's conquest to make it "harder" or something

[sharp finch]

i am doubtful because adding rainy made flooded and eclipsed both less common

and dine is one of the 3 moons (one of only 2 in v49) to be in the worst category of eclipsed moons

that spawns 4 enemies every 2 hours

[sinful jungle]

i could add an option for weather changes

i dont really mind

[gleaming pilot]

you’d think he’d just reduce the chances of eclipse

[sinful jungle]

but im not removing the change because i like how foggy looks with my changes to dine's scene

[cunning vine]

as someone who greatly dislikes foggy weather im not sure how i feel about this change

[dense hull]

Does disabling your Dine's scene also disable this change

[sinful jungle]

i already answered you

[dense hull]

Am I fucking dumb what

[sinful jungle]

i guess

[sharp finch]

all moons have equal chances of having or not having weather

and if they do have weather, all of the weathers have equal chances as each other

[dense hull]

Was gonna say

[sharp finch]

he doesn't have a system in place for just reducing the chances

[dense hull]

Three day eclipsed Titan 🤑

[sinful jungle]

I like weather registry

but ye i can just add a host option to disable the weather stuff

i guess i should have done that but it slipped my mind

i will do that now

speedrun

i didnt test it but it probably works™️

[forest plover]

i got a dumb question

[sinful jungle]

wsg

[forest plover]

is there a way to change the amount of scrap on embrion?

[sinful jungle]

oh yeah fs

[forest plover]

i didnt look into it but i use central config rather than LLL directly, and the changes seem to override it?

[sinful jungle]

oh

uhj

[forest plover]

i can try whatever, but was wondering if anything like came to mind

[sinful jungle]

well i was gonna suggest doing it thru LLL
im not sure how it works with CC

[forest plover]

i think it applies it to LLL, but ill try it again?

well ill try LLL directly

gives me a good reason to go check the new stealth boulders you added too

[sinful jungle]

so you know those duplicate moon entries i make

the reason they exist is so the vanilla levels can read all the info from them and apply it to themselves

(input is vanilla levels, output is my modded ones)

so

in LLL's config, you can enable content configuration for the custom entries

[forest plover]

ill double check it, but i could have sworn that CentralConfig filters out your fake ones

[sinful jungle]

and then you can change whatever

and it'll apply it to the vanilla levels

[forest plover]

I guess I never did the copy paste check

[sinful jungle]

im p sure it does yea

but modifying the vanilla entries should override my stuff

in centralconfig

that is the idea anyways, but idk how that mod works

[forest plover]

yeah the weird thing is that it was the scrap count that didnt change

[sinful jungle]

anything else?

[forest plover]

nothing i really noticed

[sinful jungle]

well

at the very least you should be able to do what i said

and that should work (even with centralconfig enabled and all that)

[forest plover]

ill test it again real quick

oh yeah totally

Okay, so im just going to assume i just dont know what im talking about

but last thing i did was tested with ur mod installed, and it wouldnt go above 17 items
so i uninstalled and it and it worked with my new scrap count of 30+
but i just reinstalled it and its working just fine?

so idk i got no clue anymore, maybe centralconfig updated when i reloaded it

but all my settings are still in place

[sinful jungle]

Its totally possible that they could be fighting and therefore you're getting inconsistent results

no guarantees thats whats going on but

[forest plover]

ah it'll work itself out anyways.

Thanks for helping

also

[sinful jungle]

idk @dense hull hey

were you able to modify scrap counts with this mod fine

[forest plover]

😭 dang thunderstore wait times for mods to be updated

[sinful jungle]

also idk if you saw above but i added an option for the weather shit

[dense hull]

With CC yeah, it being in invasive as it is

Is this guy using CC or LLL

[sinful jungle]

CC

thats why i asked

[dense hull]

Yea should be fine

It’s been fine for me

[forest plover]

yeah i have no clue what went wrong, but i havent worked on my modpack since then

[sinful jungle]

well lmk if you cant figure things out

might give me an excuse to make the mod more modular

[forest plover]

ill let you know

but it was just a random spotcheck haha, my scrap spawner simulator thing was showing vastly different for this moon

[sinful jungle]

e.g i could add scrap count options for every moon

since i added networking doing all of this is super easy

[forest plover]

ive split 30 moons into different tiers, and im balancing tiers on the amount of scrap and monster spawns. and embrion was spawning with 3k more than the other high end moons in my code

[sinful jungle]

LOL

is it bc of the completely random scrap spawns i did for embrion

it is 100% every single one handed item

it is quite literally just Gambling

i fucking love it

[forest plover]

ah i fucked up my simulator by setting item weight as the actual spawn weight for it
and then ingame it was only spawning max of 17 scrap where the other ones spawn 30-40

[sinful jungle]

ohh icic

[forest plover]

so it was spawning like 35 cash registers

[sinful jungle]

i actually like

dont know what the max value is for my embrion

but it didnt seem too crazy

[forest plover]

im trying to thin that out in my modpack but man its rough and tedious lol

i got like 60+ modded scrap items, and the default is it just adds them to all scrap pools

[zenith dust]

got this after trying to land on titan, I had landed the previous day fine but this time in the ship the loading screen ended but the ship doors wouldn't open.

I was also using the vanilla titan

[sinful jungle]

oops

uhhh

in the meantime turn the new ambient lighting setting off

that should fix it

idk what i did wrong here

ill look into it

[sinful jungle]

i added a null check to hopefully prevent this from happening, but ill keep an eye out

thats like 3 patches in an hour lol

[zenith dust]

modding magic

[zenith dust]

The Storehouse from generic interiors looks so good with the titan lighting

normally it looks Tan-ish but this is entirely gray

[cinder jackal]

that fire exit by main is always nice to see

[zenith dust]

at least its locked behind the door

[sinful jungle]

holy shit this is so cool @river ferry look at this

[river ferry]

white

[sinful jungle]

that 2012 indie horror game vibe 🔥

[river ferry]

fire honestly

[zenith dust]

it has a very different feel than the regular one

[river ferry]

low key

i could totally make it

be white lighting

on snowy moons

[river ferry]

wait

what

why was there 2 elevator sounds

[zenith dust]

I don't know

[river ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222969694521131173/1289256015006535700/IMG_3076.gif

[zenith dust]

bug of some sort

[river ferry]

WHY WONT THIS ELEVATOR WORK

OUGH

[sinful jungle]

look at how these boulders generated xd

@cinder jackal

[cinder jackal]

oh god...

[sinful jungle]

its so funny i lowkey love it

[zenith dust]

also I tested a couple times and cruiser embrion is not dead

[sinful jungle]

lmk if i need to adjust it

its super experimental

lol

i just thought it'd be fun

[zenith dust]

maybe lower the spawn rates of the bigger rocks but even if you don't its possible to go around

[sinful jungle]

my intention was definitely not "lets kill the cruiser on embrion" i just thought it'd add fun new gameplay with the oldbirds

@sharp finch i love the variation you added btw

its really cool

ignore the dope ass sunset in the bg

[sharp finch]

lol

well that's cool

i never got to see it in action so i kinda just had to hope it'd look good

[sinful jungle]

yeah

i imagine my embrion looks super ugly without chameleon actually

i wanted to make chameleon a dependency at this point but i dont wanna be too strict abt it

it doesn't "need" it

[sinful jungle]

xd

[sinful jungle]

dude im rlly curious how this looks with other interiors lol

[zenith dust]

I know it doesn't work with pool rooms

[sinful jungle]

aww

ill have to fix that

[zenith dust]

and I think maybe thats what broke it

[sinful jungle]

well

[zenith dust]

the castlum carnis doesn't look that different

[sinful jungle]

poolrooms has very few powered lights

across the interior

a lot of the lights are just isolated

[dense hull]

Looked really nice with the Office

Mineshaft, I didn't rlly notice a difference

[sinful jungle]

I know it works with mineshaft cuz mineshaft lighting is normally green

but only under the elevator

the main entrance room is the same

[dense hull]

GREEN?

[sinful jungle]

ye

or like yellowish green

this is vanilla mineshaft

titan

[zenith dust]

titan mansion

[dense hull]

That

looks so fucking weird

I like it

[wind marlin]

It's a vibe I think

[zenith dust]

it makes titan feel very different

[gleaming pilot]

That’s sweet

Will the other snowy moons get a similar change?

[snow kite]

Where is the pillow from

[zenith dust]

if so I hope it would be a different option than titan since I do like rend looking like how it does in vanilla

[sinful jungle]

haunted af

[zenith dust]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/fiufki/fiufkis_Scrap/ (I disabled a lot of them)

[sinful jungle]

honestly idk

[mental breach]

Disabled how? It has no config

lol

[zenith dust]

lethal quantities

[sinful jungle]

i kinda liked titan being just really

different

[mental breach]

Ah yeah I've not bothered to mess with LQ

[zenith dust]

it is the core of my modpack

[sinful jungle]

ye lq is awesome

[mental breach]

I gave up on config mods

[sinful jungle]

i use it as well

[mental breach]

XD

[sinful jungle]

real

[sinful jungle]

btw

[mental breach]

I don't even remember what all LQ can do

[sinful jungle]

this still has the event batby suggested to me

[dense hull]

Event?

[sinful jungle]

if you're in multiplayer and all players but one die, the lights flicker and get dimmer

[dense hull]

Ah

[zenith dust]

it can change most numerical values such as enemy, scrap and trap spawns, you can also change the moon description and challenge level

also interior spawns

[sinful jungle]

OW MY EYES

i forgot how this site looked without darkreader 😭

[zenith dust]

I sure love flashbanging myself

[sinful jungle]

thank god for that extension

i can seeee

[zenith dust]

fellow distinct moon variety user I see

[sinful jungle]

blaze is my goat

[zenith dust]

indeed

[sinful jungle]

i wish pestilence got a makeover honestly

cuz the layout is so funny

its ugly af but fun

[sinful jungle]

what adds the homemade timebombs

[zenith dust]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Generic_GMD/Generic_Scraps/

[sinful jungle]

generic is so cool..

[dense hull]

Improvised timebombs*

I made the mistake of inputting them as, "homemade timebombs", in a moon's scrap roster

[mental breach]

The Timebombs are the best scraps from that mod

hands down

[dense hull]

and they like

[mental breach]

lol

[dense hull]

never spawned 'til I realized that

💔

I always thought their codename was homemade timebomb

[sinful jungle]

i mean the item name is homemade timebomb tho

[mental breach]

https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/VibrantAliveOryxArsonNoSexy-uaMn6PO10QJmoKzt?a TBT when Where did my friends go? existed in Emergency Dice. Unfortunately that caused so much lag for clients lol

[sinful jungle]

maybe its prefab name is dif

[dense hull]

I just wanted to clarify since I don't want anybody else to suffer this

[mental breach]

But the fact he couldn't see me or the timebomb

LOL

[dense hull]

Idk why they're referred to as improvised timebombs, and not homemade timebombs internally

[gleaming pilot]

I agree but I wish they were like 1/4th as common

They feel like the most common item in the game and I don’t know how to change the weight

[sinful jungle]

hi

[snow kite]

Central Config and Lethal Quantities can set the rarity of scrap that do not have their own config. Sometimes LLL but not often

[dense hull]

LLL is not reliable as it sometimes just does not want to spawn certain custom entities/scrap

[snow kite]

Yes

LQ or CC is basically required

[dense hull]

Wtf

It doesn't even render

10000quotastare

[zenith dust]

same

[sharp finch]

that opening shot is really cool

i always had this idea to make dine's manors really cold and bleak

after v50 made it the "butler murder mansion" i thought it'd be cool to lean into a like

silent film/noir aesthetic

and the foyer being bathed in that weird off teal color would fit pretty well too

i think

[zenith dust]

if an artifice map preview is made I think it might be fun if it references the v50 trailer

[sharp finch]

anyways i'd still like to do this for chameleon sooner or later when i finally get around to the variants

[zenith dust]

that could be cool for a mansion variant

[zenith dust]

yeah

as I've said before when nonmineshaft interior variants are made it is gonna be so good

[dense hull]

You should remove the part where that old bird's spotlight turns on

The head alone shrouded in darkness is creepy as shit, and the spotlight kicking in kinda ruins the mystery or something

[zenith dust]

that was just a demonstration

[dense hull]

I was just giving feedback Ig

Looks great though

[mental breach]

Still kinda annoyed at how Lass handled the whole situation with Mrov, I really get the feeling she doesn't understand how her mod works during moments like that

It's even more annoying that the mod is really useful, I just wish we had a good alternative to it

[brave lotus]

GOBLIN IS BACK

[daring nexus]

Is there a way to add the lighting from Titan or Embrion to other moons interiors? Like depending on if it's snowy? (Cause the lighting is sick I want an option to be able to put this on other moons interiors rather than being limited to two moons)

[sinful jungle]

not rn, sorry

[daring nexus]

Well if it ever comes around that's gonna be sick

[cinder jackal]

not rn...what does this mean!

[sinful jungle]

it doesnt mean anything tbh

[cinder jackal]

[sinful jungle]

im not against making it configurable in the future but its not something im too worried about

you can turn it on and off and that is good enough for me

[sinful jungle]

btw lowkey

when i end up making my interior overhaul mod

im removing this shit dawg why do these spawn in manor 😭

zeeker was tweaking

just gotta figure out what cool trap i could replace it with

[obtuse mortar]

taller spike trap

could make ur own

they're pretty easy to make

[sinful jungle]

no ya i was going to

i moreso meant

like

what would it be

i was thinking tripwires or something but idk how i'd make them not generate awkwardly

like a laser tripwire maybe

[obtuse mortar]

that would probably be pretty weird to generate, you gotta make sure it sticks to a wall and also doesnt veer too high or too low off the ground

might be fairly doable

[wind marlin]

making the spike traps only be the tripwire variant?

[sinful jungle]

alternatively they could be like little things that stick out from the ground

like this

[obtuse mortar]

ah ic

[sinful jungle]

but ideally they would stick to the wall, ye

but if push comes to shove this is always an option

[obtuse mortar]

yeah, ignoring the fact that stairs and stuff like elevation exist in a few different places

[sinful jungle]

on a sidenote

i added an embrion scene to easier make edits (i was fixing up holes in the terrain, optimizing the mesh, and making the fog volume actually cover the whole moon)

its only a 2mb difference 🤭

this also makes future edits i may do way easier to do

so thats super exciting

this ugly cube visible from the fire exit is no longer there, i fixed it by just making the volume 666x666 which ended up covering all the playable space

[dense hull]

Cube?...

[wind marlin]

fog is a cube

[dense hull]

Ah

[dense hull]

666..,

[wind marlin]

Embrion's is not big enough to cover the entire playing area

Main Entrance also has the cut off lol

[sinful jungle]

should hopefully be ok now!

[tawdry spruce]

so true

make them spawn more often

[sinful jungle]

i genuinely think it completely slipped his mind how these would appear in the manor interior

when he made this trap

i dont think he thought about it at all

[tawdry spruce]

i don't want to walk into a single building without the ever looming threat of stainless steel tendrils beckoning for me

[ruby crow]

interior overhaul?

[sinful jungle]

dungenplus is sexy and i want to make vanilla interiors use it

thats all i can really say for now

[dense hull]

DunGen is WHAT

[sinful jungle]

dungen is gay and stupid

dungenplus is awesome tho

allows for a looot of cool things

and most recently, minimum fire exit distances

which is HUUGE

[crude valley]

can't wait for my one 😄

[ruby crow]

im really glad that interiors have been getting more attention the past few months

[sinful jungle]

your thing that adds windows rite?

i hope they work together >_< dungenplus has a lot of good features that i need

[obtuse mortar]

the window stuff seems to be post dungen generation and stuff (i think) so i cant see a problem occuring

[crude valley]

it will be

[gleaming pilot]

why is Embrion using Bozoros’s fire exits

[sinful jungle]

?

wha

i have never used bozoros in my life wym

[gleaming pilot]

I have no idea what would be causing it

[sinful jungle]

can u explain wym by that tho

also who made bozoros

[gleaming pilot]

LethalMatt made it

[wind marlin]

@spring depot

[sinful jungle]

you're gonna have to ask him

i have no idea

i doubt this is my fault

[gleaming pilot]

maybe chameleon because it changes exit doors?

[sinful jungle]

no?

it does not

[ruby crow]

definitely feels like an issue with bozoros

actually idk

[mental breach]

I've never ran into this problem of the Bozoros Fire Exit doors showing up in the normal Facility

any errors in your logs?

[sinful jungle]

i fail to see how this would be me updating embrion's scene

[spring depot]

Oh wha

[spring depot]

Is this a Mimic? 💀

[gleaming pilot]

Yeah it was

[spring depot]

Something goofy going on with the Mimics compatibility lol

Haven't seen that happen

[tawdry spruce]

don't you see it
you're still in bozoros

you never left

[sinful jungle]

is bozoros fun btw

[gleaming pilot]

Yea

[tawdry spruce]

it's a pretty neat moon i'd say

[spring depot]

Pretty mid tbh, could be better /s

[sinful jungle]

like on a scale of none to fun

[gleaming pilot]

9/10 more fun than basic facility and it has barbers

I did go to bozo just before so it could be that it didn’t unload something?

[tawdry spruce]

it's the type of moon that would be better suited for players that like to stray farther from vanilla

[sinful jungle]

oh ic ic

that usually isnt my cup of tea personally but the creative effort put behind it looks really cool

[spring depot]

There's some pretty unique stuff that's cooked, but yeah takes more of a cartoony approach lol

[tawdry spruce]

yeah the moon has a lot of effort put behind it

i personally wouldn't say it's a moon i would go for, since i like stuff that fit well with the game when it comes to moons and interiors

but it's a good one nonetheless

[gleaming pilot]

I much prefer vanilla style mods but I still use Bozoros

[spring depot]

But yeah if you have logs I could take a look and see if something errored out, I'm guessing the IsMyInteriorLoaded was somehow still true after leaving

[gleaming pilot]

I’ll have to try repeat the process

[spring depot]

Oh I'll see if I can get it to happen, but it could be some mod causing trouble

[gleaming pilot]

Could quitting out on bozoros, reloading the game and then going to a different moon cause it

[spring depot]

Oh actually maybe

Hmm

If it's that then I accidentally fixed it already lol

[gleaming pilot]

Whats the fix?

[spring depot]

Yeah it's due to that

[spring depot]

Uhhh I was using LLL's DungeonEvents.onShipLeave() event to set InCircusFacility to false

Changed a bit how I was handling it so I got rid of that

Yeah it was goofy

[crude valley]

babygirl

[spring depot]

Using IsCurrentDungeon now

[crude valley]

IsMyInteriorLoaded => myExtendedDungeonFlow == DungeonManager.CurrentExtendedDungeonFlow)

is IsCurrentDungeon a me thing

[spring depot]

I save a reference to circus facility's ExtendedLevel when the ExtendedMod loads, and run it from there

Though I just realized IsCurrentDungeon is basically the same thing as the thing you wrote lol

[cinder jackal]

yeah no spike traps as a whole kinda just suck ass really nothing fun about em..

[sinful jungle]

I dont mind them on factory tbh

ill take a spike trap over a turret

[cinder jackal]

fair

[gleaming pilot]

I like them. They can kill entities, and it’s hilarious when multiple players get killed by the same one.

Doesn’t fit the mansion aesthetic though

[sinful jungle]

yeah its super fun killing things with them lol

but.. yep

its a sore thumb

lol

[gleaming pilot]

what about a guillotine or something

[sinful jungle]

LOL i lowkey fuck with that

that would be so cool

i imagine manor would have really "weird" unorthodox traps like that

when i think of its security system i imagine it would have both high tech and just kinda odd stuff

[zenith dust]

sawblade traps?

[sinful jungle]

koth/ctf_sawmill flashbacks 🫠

[dense hull]

HEY

I like Sawmill

[sinful jungle]

yea im joking lol that map rocks

[dense hull]

FoxHappy

[sinful jungle]

i moreso meant flashbacks to dying to the sawblade

lol

[dense hull]

"Come and get some you freakin' wus-"

reassignment surgery

[zenith dust]

https://tenor.com/view/2d-platformer-hollow-knight-metroidvania-platformer-sawblades-gif-25671187

[dense hull]

Holow Nit

[forest plover]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-cyclops-dennis-cyclops-gif-25142152

Nutcracker shoe

[sinful jungle]

would yall hate me if i did ceiling boot traps

[gleaming pilot]

do they clip you through the map

[sinful jungle]

no they would smush you into red paste

ideally

like i imagine you'd see a teammate get crushed under one and it just rises with strings of blood sticking to the ceiling

[gleaming pilot]

ntymi a squish trap would fit mineshaft better than spikes

[sinful jungle]

what spell did you just cast on me

what is a ntymi

[dense hull]

LOL

[gleaming pilot]

now that you mention it

i passed out from the effort of typing the whole thing out

[sinful jungle]

what

[spring depot]

That's a great player-activated spike trap

Nobody suspects the giant boulder in the sky will harm you

[sinful jungle]

idk i opened the map in editor and i have no idea why tf this would happen

i think itsomehow generated on the old bird

i have no fucking clue how

i dont care Lol im going to bed

[dense hull]

"Dude Benson is gonna be so pissed at us"

[sinful jungle]

LMAO

[obtuse mortar]

🤣

[mental breach]

Oh wait I bet this is caused by having your mimics patch on

I don't use that I just added Bozoros to the Mimics list

lol

[spring depot]

The config setting just adds it to the list of whitelisted interiors

[mental breach]

So some weird behavior when this is true

Hmmmm

[spring depot]

I did a goof with an event

[spring depot]

.

[mental breach]

Oh lmao

[spring depot]

Exiting to lobby and going to a different moon after rejoining meant that would never toggle off

[mental breach]

Ahhh

[spring depot]

I am no longer using onShipLeave for that

💀

[mental breach]

When is the Bozoros update coming btw?

[spring depot]

Or rather I had already switched off of it, but update hasn't released yet lol

[mental breach]

I want the Christmas stuff to be gone

[dense hull]

I will curb-stomp Santa Claus

[spring depot]

Snowy theme remains partially during Snowfall/Blizzard

[dense hull]

Cries and shits self

There is a manatee in my oven

[spring depot]

Update's basically done I'm just testing edge cases, I need to add a sound effect to this for instance

[dense hull]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOWCH

[spring depot]

That's my kind of spike trap

[mental breach]

Lmao

[mental breach]

Did you ever figure out how to terramesh it without it nuking the visuals btw? Or would the terrain essentially need to be redone?

[sinful jungle]

?

why does terramesh nuke the visuals

[spring depot]

Road gets crunchified, I've tried modifying the material but vanilla post processing

[dense hull]

Mmm

Crunch y gravel 💙

[spring depot]

Thought it would be a requirement for snowy weather, but it's meshified at runtime by LE

Other than that I don't think any of the benefits from meshifying are that significant

You actually can see the crunchy road during Snowfall/Blizzard, but the snow hides it lol

[sharp finch]

i think i actually like this aesthetic

rusty spike traps in the murder mansions

i just think in gameplay they are pretty terrible

[mental breach]

I imagine the road textures probably just need changed to work with it better

[sharp finch]

because they just spawn in the middle of giant open rooms

where they literally can't kill anybody

and just look ugly

[dense hull]

I've always thought that they just felt like a more uncreative snare flea

Design-wise tho, they're great

[sharp finch]

i mean

i guess

in the same way that baboon hawks and hoarding bugs are the same enemy done twice

but if you take away all the nuance then they are going to seem uncreative

lol

[dense hull]

Snare fleas and spike traps are just more basic Ig

[sharp finch]

functionally i dont think spike traps and snare fleas are all that similar

outside of being "danger coming from the ceiling" which is an extremely basic comparison

[spring depot]

Disable snare flea from terminal

[dense hull]

I just preferred them coming from the ground

Like how Ooblterra did it

[spring depot]

Floor variant would be interesting actually

[dense hull]

I salute that mod, shit's never getting bug-fixed despite it being rlly good 💔

[sharp finch]

https://doors-game.fandom.com/wiki/Snare

if you wanna talk "snare fleas"

i hope these things get fleas

[dense hull]

Oh my god

[sinful jungle]

what even is a snare in this context

[dense hull]

Floor spike traps in Lethal Company would be more evil than I initially thought (I love it)

[sharp finch]

in what context

[mental breach]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-snare-where's-gif-10757416605614354386

[sharp finch]

the doors context?

[sinful jungle]

no like

[spring depot]

Drums

[sinful jungle]

is it not a different meaning

i know a snare is a drum

[sharp finch]

"snare" meaning "trap"

[sinful jungle]

but what would a drum have to do with

traps

[sharp finch]

snare fleas ensnare you

[sinful jungle]

oh

[sharp finch]

snares are a type of drum but the word has more than one meaning

[spring depot]

Yeah this was misinformation

[sinful jungle]

yeah thats what i assumed

[spring depot]

I shoulda put /s

lol

[sharp finch]

anyways i don't mind the aesthetic of floor holes that spikes come from

but doors joke aside

[sinful jungle]

meh

[sharp finch]

the greenhouse is actually awful and unfun

[sinful jungle]

we have spikes already

[sharp finch]

navigating dark spaces where you have to be eagle-eying the floors for tiny black holes is fucking awful

but i think they would make a cool floor trap if they weren't subject to the same degree of awfulness

[dense hull]

At least it's more engaging than the Ridge, though that's not saying much

[sharp finch]

false but unrelated

i will not clog up this thread with this conversation

[sinful jungle]

cries

[dense hull]

Generic's Moon thread 2.0

If they have manuls, then what do we have?

Bunnies?

[sinful jungle]

i have notifs on for all messages in this channel

[dense hull]

You poor soul

[sinful jungle]

dank weed

mlg

[dense hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602059534327873548/1236240057296228392/ezgif-6-410a7a9eb3.gif

[mental breach]

@sinful jungle Unsure if this is your fault or the fault of Chameleon for adding a shit ton of Rocks but Embrion is busted and Old Birds can't move lol

Okay yeah something is broken

@sharp finch @sinful jungle

After going in orbit

[sharp finch]

need a log

both of us would need a log

[mental breach]

Got you lol

Unfortunately I'm not seeing any errors so idk who's at fault

[sharp finch]

not really seeing any errors either

i would guess that maybe too many boulders spawned and broke up the navmesh so much it was difficult for the old birds to path

[mental breach]

But uhhh, why did that stuff stay behind in orbit?

XD

[sharp finch]

so they weren't broken but the environment didn't have many avenues to travel

[sharp finch]

as for this

idk

but i dont see any exceptions from chameleon or rebalanced moons

so pre-emptively im not certain they are related

[mental breach]

Yeah you might need to test my pack with AsyncLoggers stack traces enabled

[sharp finch]

the latest exception from the log that im seeing is maneater spam

[mental breach]

Yeah idk I can turn on the stack tracing and see if I get something

Yeah it didn't happen again

@half lion I'm wondering if that terrain is from Retinue

It looks like it

[sinful jungle]

wha?

they could move for me

[mental breach]

@green terrace Did the LethalElements bug somehow come back?

with the terrain stuff? Cus if so I wonder if it's something with WeatherRegistry's update

[sinful jungle]

oh

wait

no i know what the issue is
(not the terrain thing, idk wtf that is)

but old birds not moving lol

i frogot to make the terrain read/write

so its not writing the navmesh properly

[green terrace]

I destroy the meshified terrains, and this would only happen under two conditions before:

1. Previous moon had snowfall/blizzard
2. It had Unity Terrain

[mental breach]

Oh lmao

[sinful jungle]

old birds still can chase but they cant wander

ill psuh a hotfix right now

1 sec

[mental breach]

Well we had snowfall on Retinue

[sinful jungle]

crazy how forgetting 1 tickbox can just fuck everything

[green terrace]

But it uses terra mesh so idk, in any case it shouldn't happen now because all the copied mesh terrains are parented to the same object that should be destroyed when the scene unloads

I mean I'll check anyway, but something is weird. This would happen every single time then if that's from me

[sinful jungle]

okay i fixed the stupid

pushing a thing now

[half lion]

That looks like my outer terrain on retinue?

I have zero clue what's going on there

[sinful jungle]

you just do your moon stuff the standard way right

just throwing it in a lethalbundle

and letting LLL do everything

[half lion]

Yeah

[mental breach]

Yeah it might be a bug with the moon

[sinful jungle]

cuz if so i doubt this is your fault

its probably something else

idrk ive never heard of this

esp not with LLL

[half lion]

me neither

I mean Detritus has an outer terrain too

[sinful jungle]

.

oopsies

[half lion]

This was after leaving my moon?

[sinful jungle]

that looks like embrion

judging from the planet on the top left

[mental breach]

terrain seems to be from it

[half lion]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[mental breach]

I can't repro it with normal weather

It happened after getting snowfall

[sinful jungle]

this is cursed

[green terrace]

Did you TerraMesh or nah?

[half lion]

The inner terrain yes

the outer terrain no

[mental breach]

Yeah and that orbit terrain is the outer terrain

So something funky is going on

[green terrace]

I specifically set the mesh terrain to be in the same scene, so it must be destroyed when the scene unloads, wtf

https://github.com/v0xx-dev/TerraMesh/blob/d11fb5205056d775dcc26f4ecf2822ea56c3e3aa/Editor/src/TerraMesh.cs#L838

[half lion]

uhm

[green terrace]

y tho

[half lion]

I just make the outer terrain so the player doesn't just see the void on certain parts of the map and figured I don't really have to terramesh to save filesize