Chameleon

[flat geyser]

i feel like it makes less sense

[meager ivy]

batby predefined a bunch and i think supports authors making additional custom tags

but that second part might be incorrect, im not too sure

anyways "wasteland" exclusively refers to experimentation i believe

[flat geyser]

like why would ppl wanna be reminded of the mess the surface became? it makes more sense to me that they'd try to emulate what it once was when they lived there

[strange umbra]

yeah

[meager ivy]

and in chameleon's case, right now, wasteland is just packaged together with the canyon from the desert moons (assurance and offense)

[strange umbra]

i use distinct blazes moons theyre based mostly on those tags i think they use them (because i also use enemyskinregistry to make biome variants and it didnt add any new ones)

the new moon added is a wasteland moon like experimentation its really cool

[meager ivy]

yeah

the window variant thing was sort of a last minute addition so i cut some corners and made it vanilla levels only

[strange umbra]

makes sense i cant really think of what would even make sense for one

[meager ivy]

but in the very next update it is supposed to feature full customization like with the mineshaft lists

and "at some point" i plan for there to be a setting to automatically generate a fitting config using the LLL tags system

so less tech savvy users can just download the mod and flip a switch and have some assemblance of a good consistent experience

but that has been on my backlog for months now and i frankly have no idea when i will want to tackle it

[strange umbra]

i mean theres so many weird tags people add to their moons youd have to download like EVERY big moon mod and see what they use

i dont mod so im also speaking out my ass

[meager ivy]

lol well i would probably draw the line at supporting the LLL specified tags

or maybe a couple custom tags that are seeing widespread use

[strange umbra]

but i remember getting really confused because a moon i was testing added a forest tag and then i didnt know whatwere vanilla tags and what were modded i had to search

[meager ivy]

like several different mods from different authors

[versed hull]

makes my day everytime someone isn't sure if lll tag system is vanilla or not

[strange umbra]

is it or is it not

i dont know anything

[versed hull]

it's a feature created from LLL

I manually tagged all the vanilla content myself

[strange umbra]

is it possible to tag the vanilla moons with a tag

like in the config

[versed hull]

no

by design tag's are meant to be author implemented exclusively

[strange umbra]

thats fair i guess

[strange umbra]

what do the tags do exactly

sorry im like tired i kinda know what they do a little but im wondering if theres something more to it

[versed hull]

there just a way for authors to explicitly associate their content with defined names

then various mods can sample that information for whatever purpose

eg. LLL let's you define dungeon rarities based on tags so if you want a dungeon on snow moons instead of putting one for rend, dine and titan you can just use the Tundra tag

[strange umbra]

so in the LLL config could i go to dungeon and put in the injection setting thing or whatever tundra:100

sorry i only really know the tags because the enemy skin kit

[versed hull]

Yes

[strange umbra]

thats sick

[versed hull]

and then if any custom snow moons also mark their moons as Tundra they'll be naturally included

It's built to help support dynamic cross mod compatability

[quaint mason]

Would it be too much to request for compat /w WeatherTweaks

The indoor ambience doesn't play its combined weathers, nor does the Halloween fear music play during combined eclipses too

[meager ivy]

halloween fear music is halloweenaction, not chameleon

anyways this is a hard "maybe" for me

it's in a similar spot as LLL for me where i dont use it on any of my profiles and don't really want any of its features so i'd rather not mess with it

but i know there is a giant user base for it and there is bound to be overlap with the people using chameleon

[quaint mason]

Am I misunderstanding, or can the compatibility just not load if it isn't there

So it isn't a hard dependency

[meager ivy]

if it's not written to use the vanilla weather system straight up it will require custom compatibility code

that can be as naive as "checking if the eclipsed object is active"

or it could mean i need to include weathertweaks' dll in my project and account for its new systems

i dont know without looking

[quaint mason]

Fair

[prime cloud]

you could just check which weather effects are active using WeatherRegistry

actually I think the vanilla array (TimeOfDay.effects) should have the relevant effects enabled

I tried to make it least fucky I could

and to use as much of Registry's features/methods as possible

[meager ivy]

that's what i was hoping

i still cant guarantee this feature will make it in immediately

i set up the weather ambience toggle to only support 2 sounds - the blizzard, and whatever rain effect there is

because originally it was just blizzard and storms and then i added new sound effects for rainy and flooded

i need to split everything into separate audio sources and layer them together for that to all work

the other problem is timing

right now im just checking weather right before the ship lands (after the dungeon generates)

but the weather effects wont be enabled for several more seconds after the ship starts the landing sequence

anyways this will be a pretty significant refactor so it is going on the backburner for now

[bleak fog]

Something I discussed somewhere (I forgot where), was having a visual difference between Interval Spike Traps and Detector Spike Traps, such as a faint laser coming from the red light of the latter. Would this be appropriate for Chameleon?

[split cargo]

that feels like a gameplay change to me

if it's synced over the network I suppose it could be fine though, then the host gets to choose whether people can see that

[bleak fog]

Ye, maybe ButteryFixes would be better, I was torn on which thread to post it to

[split cargo]

yeah not really a fix either, so this is probably closer than that in my mind

anywho that's just my onion, buttery can decide

[bleak fog]

I think Spike Trap lasers are as impactful as making Artifice have a bright skybox

[split cargo]

normally, maybe

some interval ones have a very long interval that makes you waste time checking

if you're not feeling like sending it anyway

[meager ivy]

spike trap lasers are more a visual thing so i think it would fit better here, personally

butteryfixes is mostly "as objective as i can reasonably make them out to be" fixes and restored features

that being said im not sure if i will do it because i kind of like the uncertainty of the long timer spike traps vs. detection spike traps

[bleak fog]

It just is annoying to not have a way of knowing if a trap has a long interval or is a detection trap, it just slows down gameplay

My favorite parts of this mod are things like the entrance windows getting dark as the day progresses and manor doors appearing on the outside because they not only add continuity but also provide useful information to the player in an organic and balanced manner. For the same reason LethalFixes making it so Spike Traps turn off their red light when deactivated is my favorite part of that mod

I just am a total stickler for stuff like that

[meager ivy]

well i agree that is a good change

i dont think it is good for gameplay to have to wonder if a spike trap is taking a long time to activate vs. someone on the ship turning it off

so lethalfixes making the light turn off and making a click sound is good

it makes it more consistent with turrets and landmines which both have audio cues (and turrets have a pretty significant visual cue as well)

but part of what makes the long interval spike traps really interesting for me is the degree of uncertainty

usually you dont need to waste time standing next to it for it to activate, you can wander the surrounding area and listen to hear if it slams down

and it is kind of a thrill to decide you'd rather play it risky and just run underneath it and see what happens

[wild fox]

the play is just jump over where the tripwire would be and find out later

[meager ivy]

i think having a visible laser is giving too much information from the player in a way that negatively affects the nuance and intrigue of spike traps

vs. lethalfixes just adding a visual cue to indicate someone turned off the trap

it is 2 different ideas, IMO

[bleak fog]

The laser is just an idea btw, we can do some other way if even a faint ladder is overkill

Like, interval traps could have a faint ticking noise when close to them is another idea

[final wagon]

found this sick door on Exp where could it possible lead

hell nah that window again 😭

[bleak fog]

It is just part of the unfinished test level within Experimentation, you can use freecam to see it a lot better

[final wagon]

i know that

i've seen the alpha

but did you know that you can access this area just with a extension ladder and some parkour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPJ5wd2J444

[meager ivy]

in vanilla it's just the doorway

but butteryfixes moves the door object (which is normally just clipped into a wall nearby) back into the doorway

so you have to overcome the additional challenge of "pressing E on the door"

vs the strategy showcased in this clip

[flat geyser]

i would have just closed off the wall 😮‍💨

i am evil like that

[bleak fog]

Dopadream trying to nerf the Experimentation secret meta 😭

[flat geyser]

I lowkey still wanna add an experimentation scene to just remove all the unused stuff 😭

[bleak fog]

Is there more than just the unused interior?

[wild fox]

there's a few objects under the terrain

[meager ivy]

butteryfixes also disables all the underground terrain

which doesnt prevent it from loading but it is at least not hogging resources actively

[flat geyser]

offense has some of this unused mesh action going on too

its super strange

it really does give roblox dev vibes

[wild fox]

i wonder why zeekerss gives off roblox dev vibes

[granite rampart]

yea i really

i really wonder actually hmm

[near badge]

there is also some random props oob on offense

[flat geyser]

yup

i remember removing these in rbm

lol

no idea why he likes to put ladders like this out of bounds

i remember seeing 2

[rotund rivet]

theory is its there so he can easily copy the ladder and paste it somewhere when needed

[quaint mason]

Leftovers from Assurance maybe?

[meager ivy]

it is out of bounds on assurance too

most of the oob stuff in offense is indeed just from offense's scene being assurance cloned with some modifications

but some of it is OOB on assurance too

who knows why

[wild fox]

the silo on Offense is just this from Assurance at least

[meager ivy]

iirc it doesnt match the position of anything on experimentation

which would be the only scene that could have influenced it

it is just a strange little trivia

[quaint mason]

Probably leftovers from Zeekerss dicking around, or decor (Like the floating silo) you're not meant to see up close

Much like the skybox

[wild fox]

the one on Offense can't be seen without a jetpack

[quaint mason]

Oh nvm then

[wild fox]

maybe a few extension ladders

[flat geyser]

oh i deleted that silo too

lol

i think

i should really write down stuff i do more

[bleak fog]

Purple showed me how on March if you take a Jetpack and fly in a random direction for a while there is a circle of the things you see on the Toilet Paper logo as actual models

Definitely my favorite out of bounds oddity

[flat geyser]

ye the teliot circle

it has its own gameobject group in the editor

[meager ivy]

to me it will always be "teliothenge"

[copper rampart]

i think every moon except embrion has a disabled copy of all of experimentation and assurance's props

[meager ivy]

found out you cant turn off the window variants in v2.0.2

at this point i probably wont be fixing that

since im already in the middle of rewriting the windows code to have weighted variants

so i guess i need to expedite that getting done instead

[mental crystal]

Have you considered making the external lights turn off when the apparatus is pulled? Like the two lights on march at main entrance.

[flat geyser]

owo

i mean
..,,,

[rapid thicket]

(this was from a while ago so it might be outdated)

[meager ivy]

personally im just not a huge fan of the idea

on top of the work it would require (which i don't think would be extremely difficult, but it's just that im not really interested in doing it)

also like i mentioned in the screenshot butteryfixes actually fixes dine and artifice having outdoor lights affected by the apparatus

since that isn't the case on any other map

so accounting for that in chameleon will be sort of annoying

[flat geyser]

then thats an excuse for a new rebalanced moons feature yippee

i can do this pretty easily tbh

[quaint mason]

Wait what

Explain

[meager ivy]

in vanilla if you turn off the power to the building

either with the breaker box or unplugging the apparatus

2 of the rooms on artifice's surface will go dark

as well as the lights above the main entrance on dine

zeekerss forgot to untag their prefab when he placed it on the surface

all other light sources (including others on the same moons, as well as every light on all the other moons) are unaffected by the building power

[quaint mason]

That’s unironically so cool, I’ve never noticed it in gameplay though

[meager ivy]

i noticed it because there was this particular room on artifice's surface that would change between being light and dark seemingly at random every time we played

and it just took me forever to realize it was the apparatus causing that

although i think the reason i was looking into it again was because v60 dine made it even more obvious

with the new light above the "fire exit building"

[warm vine]

if it hasnt been suggested there should be a basic rocky/mountainous one

if its desolate looking enough you could reuse the same one between like embrion and then modded moons like dirge/detritus

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy figured I should let you know Flashlights are fine if they're holstered with Fog Reprojection, they only have the weird trail if you're holding them

so

Reserved Item Slots is a great thing to pair with it

[split cargo]

I would imagine that it's just less obvious, since you can't see the origin of the spot light when it's holstered?

[acoustic bolt]

Maybe yeah, regardless the fog reproduction is really nice and I like that it comes with no performance cost compared to increasing fog quality to even medium which is a noticeable fps difference while still looking bad

[fathom lava]

Yeah unfortunately increasing fog quality has an extremely high fps cost in my pack. It looks great but not really feasible

My group was too annoyed by the jank with reprojection to use it

[split cargo]

yeah I can't stand the reprojection artifacts personally

at least from what I've seen, haven't tried it in-game but I don't think it'll change

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah I hope at some point we can get a better alternative

[meager ivy]

well

im not sure there is a better alternative

like

fog quality is the best option but it has a high performance cost

reprojection has lower performance cost but artifacting

and that's kinda all there is to it

if neither of those options are feasible then you use vanilla settings

and that's probably why they are vanilla's settings to begin with

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah I haven't noticed the artifacting unless I hold a flashlight and even then it's like it adds a smoke trail to it

lol

It's kind of scuffed but in an interesting way and I don't hate it

[flat geyser]

this is interesting to me

i wonder if its a GPU thing

i have a 170 list modpack and setting it to high doesnt change my frame rate really at all

[hybrid coyote]

Does this mod replace the old HDMOD? or are they complementary?

[flat geyser]

hd lethal company is old and breaks other shit

i wouldnt use it

[hybrid coyote]

I haven't played for a year and I'm a bit lost now

[flat geyser]

ahh fair

yeah its old

dont use it

if you need to change your resolution, theres LCUltraWide

the community version i think

[hybrid coyote]

Ok, thanks for replying :)

[flat geyser]

np :] if you have any other questions hmu

[bleak fog]

Pretty much all of the big mods in the early days have newer and better versions, like LateCompany being superseded by LobbyControl and RemoveItemLimit being part of almost every QoL package. MoreCompany is the only really big OG mod that has stuck around

[meager ivy]

partly because morecompany superseded biggerlobby, which was the og og lobby expander

[mental crystal]

Do you think an option in the config to list which interiors should use the mansion doors would fit well? Similar to the cave type config.

Was mostly just suggesting it since there’s a few modded interiors which use the mansion door inside.

I don’t care about it too much either way since I don’t use those interiors at the minute

[rapid thicket]

that would be nice

[rapid thicket]

WAIT a second I just realized something

I suggested the mansion windows to be changed about 2 months before it happened in 1.4.0, though I'm not sure if that warrants a credit

[meager ivy]

i mean

fair 'nough

i can drop you a credit if you like

i know you have a thunderstore page

next update is for the windows anyway :p

[rapid thicket]

I was just thinking about it since vector got a credit just walking in saying to add upturned aquarium fish

but yeah that would be cool

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JackdeDestroyer/

[meager ivy]

yeah my credit has probably been sort of inconsistent

i will admit it is not always at the forefront of my mind...

if anybody else thinks they have contributed a concept and would like to be in the credits, please let me know and i will make things right for you

i don't mind, and TBH, the more the merrier

i always like my mod pages to link to other community people making cool stuff

[rapid thicket]

I'm excited

I think the main reason I felt that way about credit is that this is probably my favorite mod and being linked to it in any way feels like my efforts to suggest stuff and be somewhat active in this thread played a small part in making it the way it is now. (though saying it that way seems a little sappy)

[meager ivy]

it's not sappy at all

happy to have you on board

sorry i didnt think of doing it sooner, that's on me

[meager ivy]

for everyone in this thread, this is an ongoing offer

please reach out!

[hybrid coyote]

Thanks, I was also wondering about that. Before there was a lot of inconsistency when installing enemy mods, causing spawns to break and one or no enemies to appear. Is this still happening?

Example: If I install diversity, Mimics, peppers, BioDiversity, ImmortalSnail and some other mod that adds fauna, will I have to install some mod to manually configure the spawn ratios as I had to do before or have these problems been improved?

I remember a long time ago that even mods that modified the terminal or other things broke enemy spawns, I don't know if this will continue happening.

[hybrid coyote]

Thanks, I was also wondering about that. Before there was a lot of inconsistency when installing enemy mods, causing spawns to break and one or no enemies to appear. Is this still happening?

Example: If I install diversity, Mimics, peppers, BioDiversity, ImmortalSnail and some other mod that adds fauna, will I have to install some mod to manually configure the spawn ratios as I had to do before or have these problems been improved?

I remember a long time ago that even mods that modified the terminal or other things broke enemy spawns, I don't know if this will continue happening.

[versed hull]

diversity doesn't use the vanilla enemy class

for dumb reasons

other mods that do similar things tend to just end up breaking in various ways

[hybrid coyote]

I know that diversity improves the whole concept of enemies, but my question is more oriented to whether mixing these mods breaks the enemy spawn rate as it happened in the past.

[versed hull]

I didn't say it was an improvement

[hybrid coyote]

Would you say it's game breaking then?

[meager ivy]

refactoring these manor windows is really wearing me down

i kind of underestimated how much work it would require

i think im approaching the light at the end of the tunnel

probably

[flat wraith]

Biodiversity provides its own enemy configs, so you don't have to install any extra stuff

i will say, make sure to disable the wax soldier handler in the main config, the one that just says biodiversity

[flat wraith]

diversity works just fine, I've heard it can cause lag on big modpacks but generally it works still

[bleak fog]

Hard to say, it is more of a case-by-case, though a smaller and simpler mod like Mimics is obviously going to be less troublesome than one like Diversity. A lot of the technical problems like what you describe are gone nowadays, you just might lag your machine if your modpack is too big.

If you want an easy way to configure monster spawns and the like, use Central Config or Lethal Quantities, both are designed to override any mod’s default configs and make moons be exactly how you want. Central Config is easier to use while Lethal Quantities has some more advanced settings

[hybrid coyote]

Ok, thanks everyone for the answers :) @bleak fog @flat wraith

[limpid flower]

@flat geyser @meager ivy In RebalancedMoons, I found the interior lighting for Titan to be perfect. For some reason, the colder color emitted from the lights makes the interior scarier. Is it possible that we could expand upon this by making each moon have an option for colder-colored lighting?

[flat geyser]

lol

well

its supposed to make titan special, so i dont think ill be doing it for other moons personally

i know buttery plans on doing something "similar" for dine

idk if she'll make it configurable for other moons tho haha

[meager ivy]

the idea i have for dine would just apply to dine by default and be customizable to apply to other moons

but i was planning for it to only apply to that specific manor variant

so it's still probably not exactly what you want

[bleak fog]

I personally would love light temperature settings. I would want to apply them to factory interior to get those stark white lights in Rebalanced Moons, so having interior configs in addition to moon configs would be much appreciated. I actually like the color of manor lights as-is

[gritty tendon]

i also preferred the way it was before, was more exciting and looked great when weathers were mixed, kinda like how the "blizzard weather" mix with the regular ones on snow moons (still would love to see quicksands getting generated like in V9, but i know it's not possible as chameleon is client sided)

[flat geyser]

just a heads up

weather tweaks has combined weather

yes, i know its not the same thing since its not a visual process

but if you care that much the option is there

so you can for example make it so march only has eclipsed + rainy instead of eclipsed

[gritty tendon]

@meager ivy titan is in V9, just not listed on the terminal
i don't remember which sun it used but there was no blizzard unlike rend or dine (the ship preview moon is the ice moon)

[mental crystal]

Someone in my group hadn’t seen Chameleon before, they were a big fan of all of the aesthetic changes and additions. Made me realise even though it’s a pretty loved mod from what I’ve gathered when talking to people about it, there’s not always much talk about that in particular. Just thought I’d say that you’ve done amazing work on the mod and it’s probably one of my favourite mods we use.

[opaque moss]

I am having trouble getting EclipesBlockAmbience to work, I have the daystart music play and the random day ambience music play, even with just chameleon, is this a known bug?

[meager ivy]

thank you! i am always glad to hear

[meager ivy]

time of day cues are meant to play but it is weird that you are hearing ambience

i will have to look into it

[bleak fog]

Ye, all the stuff just speak for themselves, I like the sense of restraint in this mod to not go crazy with reinventing the moons’ look. The changes are all “This is pretty cool” and not huge on their own, but there are so many of them and they work off each other to make the mod more than the sum of its parts

I really enjoy all the configs too, I never take customization like this for granted

[mental crystal]

I completely agree

For both

There aren’t really many other vanilla+ aesthetic mods.

Plenty that add vanilla styled content, like biodiversity. But there’s nothing else like chameleon in the modding scene

[opaque moss]

I figured out the EclipsesBlockAmbience, pretty sure it works how it is, I just did some bad testing!

[meager ivy]

that's good to hear

sorry about the slow updates recently

i've either been working on other stuff or kinda burning myself out on a lot of boring refactoring stuff

i think i got a bit lazy and left a bit too much mess with my refactor of the manor windows

but as long as it's functional i'll probably go ahead and release it soon, just need to implement some new themes and test that the system works as expected

[rapid thicket]

cool

also I think its okay with the slow updates since a lot of people are probably preoccupied with the wesley's moon update

[meager ivy]

lol

yeah

[meager ivy]

i am at least beginning to see the struggle modded players get to put up with when they use my stuff

pretty sure fancyfoliage wouldn't work outside of the vanilla moons

fancyentrancedoors definitely doesnt

i didnt want to spoil myself on all of wesley's moons to set up all the cavern chances and just left em all at default

does this mean i will actually address it any time soon

...ehh idk

this situation at least makes the need for LLL tag support more apparent

so it can function well, within reason, for a pack like wesley's that can't be configured manually without spoiling most of the discovery

[flat geyser]

? why not

they work on my modded scenes

[meager ivy]

well

you use the vanilla prefabs, i mean

[flat geyser]

it only wouldnt work if their hierarchy isnt set up properly

[meager ivy]

it wouldnt work with custom moons that do their own thing with foliage

[flat geyser]

ah

i see

yeah

[meager ivy]

i'd hope they'd set it up properly since they're using custom foliage

but i was completely unaware of the whole "foliage diffusion" thing until zaggy mentioned it and you implemented it

so it's probably not that well known

[flat geyser]

how did we check for foliage again?

wasnt it like a startswith tree/bush check or something

[meager ivy]

checks for gameobjects on a certain layer that use a certain material name i believe

but i dont remember

[flat geyser]

oh

[meager ivy]

it was never supposed to work outside of the vanilla hierarchies so it probably just doesnt

[flat geyser]

im just trying to think of possibilities but that is a tough issue

i never thought of that when working on it admittedly

[meager ivy]

it's tricky too because stuff like trees needed a mask map

[flat geyser]

eh

thats debatable

i was able to get it to look "fine" without one

[meager ivy]

and it'd be pretty difficult to detect and generate a mask map for modded foliage with different UVs

[brazen cave]

not sure if it's possible to do this or would make sense, but i think offense could have some sort of skybox change to look darker, or something of the likes. Im not sure if this would be realistic or not, but i feel like it would have a weaker atmosphere since it's technically an asteroid that was once a piece of assurance

[meager ivy]

that would probably be more @flat geyser's wheelhouse

i do like the idea

you could maybe "hack" it a bit with the snowy fog profile

i am sort of curious how it'd look

[brazen cave]

yeah
march would also be cool if the water there was more murky.,. since its name is seeminglt based off the word marsh. plus, it has mud spots rainy or not

[brazen cave]

what is the snowy fog profile

[meager ivy]

most moons have 1 of 2 volume profiles

there's "the normal" one and the snowy one

by default, all moons use the normal one, except the snowy moons use the snowy one

as the name would suggest

except that titan is bugged and uses the normal one (since it used to not be a snowy moon)

and artifice has the opposite issue (since it used to be a snowy moon)

that's what the FixTitanVolume and FixArtificeVolume settings do in chameleon; it swaps them to use the correct profiles

[brazen cave]

is there any mods that i can use to easily edit the volumes

[meager ivy]

i have a comparison for both on the store page, but basically, using snowy's profile on offense would do something like this

[meager ivy]

none that i am aware of

[brazen cave]

having a medium moon with volume 2 sounds very interesting

plus it would make offense more unique and cooler than it already is (if you dont count interior)

[flat geyser]

oh?

noted

[brazen cave]

im sorry if im bothering you, but are you able to modify offense to have volume 2? me and stan were talking about my idea of offense having a darker skybox since its like an asteroid

[flat geyser]

i can look into it

i think this would fit in atlas

but idk how good it'd look

[quaint mason]

A thinner atmosphere would be interesting

[flat geyser]

ye

[brazen cave]

im not sure how editing the volume works, but if its just changing a number it should be relatively quick

[flat geyser]

its not

well

if its just making the sky darker then yes

but idk if that would give good results on its own

i can try

when i have my pc later today lol

[meager ivy]

i can make the fix titan and fix artifice settings into a list of moons you want to use each volume

instead

but it has kind of niche usage and isn't super user friendly

so im not sure it's such a good idea

[brazen cave]

that would be very nice, but that's completely up to you

[quaint mason]

Not realistic, Idfk who made this image, but yeah

[flat wraith]

wdym this is hyper realistic

[quaint mason]

Microsoft PowerPoint type shit 🔥

[flat wraith]

that comparison makes no SENSE

you FOOL!!!!

[ruby sun]

Looks like either space engine or elite dangerous

[meager ivy]

I have just pushed v2.1.0

I didn't get everything done that I would've liked to

but I didn't want to keep postponing this any longer and I think it will be easy enough to expand on in the future with v2.2

i added a couple additional window variants compared to previous versions but i anticipate adding more in the next update

i will also update the thunderstore page with the new variants next time

please let me know if there are problems

[meager ivy]

this is what that looks like

conceptually it's kinda neat but it would need a lot more work to make it look good

it looks too sunny for how gloomy the sky is and the fog color is way too bright

[brazen cave]

yea lightning would need changes

[meager ivy]

anyways i won't be changing this in chameleon but maybe as a separate mod it might be interesting

[brazen cave]

yea def

[meager ivy]

still have that unsnowy titan mod to make

one of these days, i'm sure

[brazen cave]

titanifice

[meager ivy]

it looks really nice at night

it does tempt me

[bleak fog]

Is Atlas out? I cannot seem to find it

[meager ivy]

i dont think so

but that's @flat geyser's project

[rapid thicket]

OH

nice

[bleak fog]

Oh whoops I thought this was Rebalanced Moons 💀

The convo here feels like it would be there

I am blind to the top of my screen you see

[meager ivy]

that's ok

[forest vapor]

What were the performance improvements in 2.1.0?

[meager ivy]

i replaced any instance of FindObjectOfType with FindAnyObjectByType

and replaced all instances of FindObjectsOfType with FindObjectsByType with no sorting mode

which should reduce load times

by how much, i am not sure

i wasn't using those functions outside of the start of the round anyway

[forest vapor]

Awesome work!

[quaint mason]

What do the new windows look like?

[meager ivy]

the broken screen uses this exact image

i found the source was public domain so i just used it

[quaint mason]

Flowery, Beach, and Hot Springs?

[meager ivy]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/yellowstonenps/49705989186/

[quaint mason]

I also assume Pasture is vanilla, yeah?

[meager ivy]

this is the hot springs one

for places like infernis and such

pasture is vanilla

beach is the same as it was before v2.1 and is also on the thunderstore page

https://picryl.com/media/frantisek-kavan-fields-with-wild-poppies-5b71be

[quaint mason]

Huh, Embrion no longer has it, so that's why I got a little confused and included it here

[meager ivy]

flowery is this painting

[meager ivy]

i misremembered the "paradise" zeekerss described

in my head i thought "tropical paradise" but he clarified it was more like "green flowery hills" in the patreon post (when i re-read it)

the beach stuff still works with stuff like aquatis and hawalia so it's fine

but embrion now uses the new flowery background

[quaint mason]

Pasture weirdly fits that description

[acoustic bolt]

Anomaly moons fit for broken screen

[meager ivy]

in the future i want to add the aquarium background jacuj suggested

it was supposed to be part of this release but i lost the motivation to set it up

[quaint mason]

oooo aquarium is a cool idea

[meager ivy]

i also wanted one for jungle/marsh

something wet with a lot of foliage

idk if there's any other large theme groups

[acoustic bolt]

Mansion doesn't ever seem to really spawn on Volcanic moons in my experience so I'll likely just not set up Hot Springs lol

[quaint mason]

For modded moons

[rapid thicket]

I think hotsprings could be used as a generic rocky window

[copper rampart]

why broken on all the forest moons?

[meager ivy]

i guess maybe i could add a proper forest

i just feel like pasture is effective for forest types

and the snowy window takes place in a forest

even if there's snow

[rapid thicket]

I think theres a conflict with chameleon's fancy outside doors and rebalanced moons in the newest update (at least on experimentation) as the fancy doors no longer appear.

[Error : Unity Log] MissingFieldException: Field not found: string Chameleon.Info.LevelCosmeticInfo.windowMatName Due to: Could not find field in class
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) Chameleon.Overrides.EntranceDoorFancifier.DMD<Chameleon.Overrides.EntranceDoorFancifier::Apply>()
Chameleon.Overrides.SceneOverrides.OverrideScene () (at <4462b0193ffe4a50aba04ba0461ead6d>:0)
Chameleon.Patches.GeneralPatches.PostFinishGeneratingNewLevelClientRpc (RoundManager __instance) (at <4462b0193ffe4a50aba04ba0461ead6d>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::FinishGeneratingNewLevelClientRpc(RoundManager)
RoundManager.__rpc_handler_2729232387 (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour target, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader reader, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams rpcParams) (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:0)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers.Handle (Unity.Netcode.NetworkContext& context, Unity.Netcode.RpcMetadata& metadata, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader& payload, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams& rpcParams) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:0)
Rethrow as Exception: Unhandled RPC exception!
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ClientRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendClientRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ClientRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
RoundManager:DMDRoundManager::FinishGeneratingNewLevelClientRpc(RoundManager)
<LoadNewLevelWait>d__131:MoveNext()
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine:InvokeMoveNext(IEnumerator, IntPtr)

[meager ivy]

oh

i probably fucked something up for dopadream

yeah

i probably should have double checked

windowMatName is no longer used because none of the levels have predefined window materials

so i removed it

[meager ivy]

@flat geyser sorry i broke your shit

https://github.com/dopadream/RebalancedMoonsPlugin/blob/07f835bdc9e2493a17c703731fa34c102bbf1b72/ChameleonCompat/Plugin.cs#L41

[flat geyser]

huh

[meager ivy]

you should remove this line and recompile

that is my bad

[flat geyser]

i didn't even do anything to experientation yet

confusion

not in the public build

[meager ivy]

it's still referencing a field that doesn't exist in the method body that runs when landing on any moon

[rapid thicket]

I disabled rebalanced moons and the doors just start working again

[meager ivy]

im pretty sure you could just do

Chameleon.Common.currentLevelCosmeticInfo.fancyDoorPos = new(-156.5477f, -15.0669f, 16.7538f),
Chameleon.Common.currentLevelCosmeticInfo.fancyDoorRot = Quaternion.Euler(270f, -5.7088f, 0f),

on that note

[rapid thicket]

its on every moon I think

this is so cool

[copper rampart]

is "all" a valid option for window lists?

[rapid thicket]

all the new window variants are very nice

also thanks for advertising my painting mod

[meager ivy]

not atm

but probably a good addition

[hybrid coyote]

Hey with this mod u need ViewExtension? or chamaleon fix this exactly like ViewExtension? Are they compatible?

[final wagon]

View extension doesn't fix anything... it just increases the camera view distance

Chameleon doesn't mess with that

[meager ivy]

both mods do completely different things from one another

[hybrid coyote]

Ok, thanks

[glossy light]

i heard that...

[final wagon]

that name 😭

Still waiting for the Factory and Manor variants

Hopefully we'll have them in 2026

[mental crystal]

Factory and manor variants are releasing tonight at 10PM

[flat wraith]

don't make this the next wax soldier

[rapid thicket]

I think the window variants and the mansion variants should be separate configs since it would add more variety to potential combinations

[indigo elbow]

-10 lines

[mental crystal]

Do outside fancy doors also affect modded moons?

I don’t play with modded moons often at the moment

[wild fox]

no

not currently

[mental crystal]

Alright thanks

[flat wraith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192948703309344859/1333076162657915010/64sVtjw.gif

[meager ivy]

kick ass

[granite rampart]

Wait why don’t the fake windows turn off when the powers out?

Cuz tbh always found that kinda cool but it’s a tiny nitpick so is alr

[copper rampart]

they don't turn off fully now? aww

[quaint mason]

Weird change ngl

It was better being completely dark

[rapid thicket]

I think it would be better if it was a black screen but with the lines (something like this)

ignore the single white line on the right side

[granite rampart]

True

[meager ivy]

i can never win

[wild fox]

#modding

[wild fox]

why does this video go on for 36 minutes

[heady hatch]

(Discord breaks it apparently, but that’s the video lol)

[heady hatch]

Because he can’t stop winning

[wild fox]

https://tenor.com/view/doudou-oye-cat-funny-cat-love-cats-gif-13560839042944678924

[rapid thicket]

indeed

[meager ivy]

tl;dr i made this change because i didn't want to separately account for all the window designs when i added the variants

it got some pushback (which i expected), and then in the big window overhaul, i actually put in the effort to account for all the alts

[meager ivy]

what i did not expect, was pushback for this

in any case i've already made it a config setting for the next version

[meager ivy]

so everyone can be happy and i don't have to be Tonight's Biggest Loser

tl;dr's tl;dr: at first it was laziness, and now it's a feature

[quaint mason]

Tonight's Biggest Skibidi

[meager ivy]

i will also make the screens more faint in the next version

if they are turned off (but not set to blackout)

[meager ivy]

because i like the idea of this but i still want some of the design to be visible

[rapid thicket]

fair

[meager ivy]

the fact that it looks like a painting (in vanilla) has always given me the impression that there's like

[acoustic bolt]

I feel like I might be an odd edge case here but I never really considered the windows staying on to be a bug tbh

[meager ivy]

a thin sheet of paper with a screen behind it

but idk

to be honest there's not much logic to it im just doing whatever i think "looks good"

[meager ivy]

idk if i'd consider it a bug necessarily but it is a definite oddity

i actually have the setting turned off, personally

the game is dark enough without a flashlight and i kind of like the contrast these window rooms provide (if the breaker starts turned off)

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah I'm gonna turn it off too, I prefer the vanilla behavior and the new designs are too good to have it blacked out

[meager ivy]

but i do like that you can turn the setting on to enforce consistency

i think it does make more sense that way

if im being honest i have all the window variants turned off too

[acoustic bolt]

I feel like it might have just been a thing Zeekerss did to keep some light in those rooms, and since Manor doesn't have an Apparatus there wasn't much reason for them to get turned off

[meager ivy]

because i'm the grinch

i'd use the window variants with like, wesley's stuff, but i can't really set up the lists without spoilers

so oops!

[silent lava]

Lava window would go sick

[mental crystal]

Personally I think this type of window looks equally as good if not better. It gives the vibes that it’s moreso a light behind the fake window with paper or mosaic in front of it. Everyone has different opinions though so there’s very sadly never a way to do a single thing to make everyone happy.

[copper rampart]

could set up a list and post it here marked with a spoiler, so people can copy it into their configs

[meager ivy]

i know i'd find it useful, if nobody else would

only regret is not finishing the ||aquarium|| variant in time to use it for ||atlantica||

[copper rampart]

i'd find it useful!

[quaint mason]

||Atlantica||** ☝️ 🤓

[flat wraith]

yeah this is perfect

[flat wraith]

yeah I think that's 100% what it is

[brazen cave]

for some reason when i look at these i think of the portal 2 core error screens in the starting elevator rooms

[forest vapor]

I don't want to say yet another idea since the window suggestions have been good but have you considered making them flicker on and off when the power is off? Might be a happy middle ground between showing the image and having it blacked out, also creates a spooky vibe

[meager ivy]

there is not a fantastic way for me to do that

without considerably overhauling the system

and tbh im kind of tired of working on it LOL

so i won't say "no" but at least for the foreseeable future i dont want to add any more new features to the windows

although i do plan to add a couple new variants still

[mental crystal]

On snowy moons (for vanilla atleast) the moon has a dark blue tint when eclipsed instead of a dark red tint. Just thought I’d suggest to make the main entrance windows have a dark blueish colour instead of red on eclipsed snowy moons. It isn’t the biggest deal in the world since on eclipsed moons wasting your time looking at windows isnt the smartest idea.

[ashen token]

When landing on any moon

0194c88f-80ee-3768-07da-6b29441080e9

[meager ivy]

are you using rebalanced moons

[ashen token]

I am

[meager ivy]

if so disable fancy entrance doors

i fucked up dopadream's compat patch

and they arent able to recompile rn

[ashen token]

Ah ok, thanks

[quaint mason]

Why does Fix ||Artifice|| Volume give ||Artifice|| Rend's ambience?

[meager ivy]

?

[quaint mason]

It's doing what it says on the tin here

[meager ivy]

the only change it makes is replacing the snowy volume with the default one

"volume" in the sense of volumetrics, visuals, fog, etc. not anything to do with audio

rend uses the snowy volume so it is actually further removed from rend's visuals

with the setting enabled

and it makes no changes to any audio or anything about the scene

[quaint mason]

I'll test it again

[quaint mason]

o nvm it isn't Chameleon

wtf

hm

Inconsistent

[mental crystal]

I’ve been having the same thing

Did you ever figure out what it was? @quaint mason

[quaint mason]

I forgot to test lol

I'll figure it out soon™️

If I were to guess, ReverbTriggerFix

[mental crystal]

I also have that so probably

I kinda just figured it was enemysoundfixes or butteryfixes but if Buttery didn’t say about it then clearly it isn’t.

[old yarrow]

I did and I still get this error when I land on Motra. Not sure about all the other planets since I was in a rush. The interior was Rubber Rooms. Got some extra lag too which I assume is related.

[meager ivy]

oh

i think the method is running even if the setting is turned off

so what i said wouldnt work

that is unfortunate

[old yarrow]

So then I have to disable one of the 2 mods until the update drops?

[meager ivy]

probably, if you dont want errors

it really sucks because the error is 100% my fault

[old yarrow]

I wouldn't care about the error if it wasn't lagging as well

[meager ivy]

and i accidentally broke it right when dopadream had no access to a computer to recompile and fix it on her end

which has given it way more staying power than it would otherwise have

[old yarrow]

Yeah, I think she said her CPU died recently

[tropic kraken]

Hi, I got this error in the console. Happened after generating dunge, hung on this and the game stopped responding

[meager ivy]

i need to see the rest of your log

[tropic kraken]

I think it's because of some BrutalCompanyMinusExtraReborn event

[meager ivy]

it's very likely an error happened before this

im also like 99% confident this isn't an issue i caused or can fix

[old yarrow]

Lol, the names

[meager ivy]

but i could be wrong

[tropic kraken]

I don't have it, but I'm pretty sure it happened after the dungeon was generated

I looked in the console, it's just that I have logs turned off by default(

And after restarting the game and starting a round on the same planet, everything was fine

[meager ivy]

i see

my guess is that some script had a while loop

or such

waiting until RoundManager.FindMainEntrancePosition returned something other than Vector3.zero

to know when the dungeon finished generating

and the entrances were set up

but because loading failed, that condition never happened, and it caused an infinite loop that froze your game

[meager ivy]

i dont know what is doing this but it's definitely not any of my mods and im nearly certain vanilla never does this either

so it is some other mod responsible, probably

[tropic kraken]

maybe some mods for asynchronous generation?

[meager ivy]

if it's asynchronous, it shouldn't cause your game to lock up

the point is that it spreads its work out over multiple frames so it most likely wouldnt have a while loop being executed over a single frame

would probably have a frame delay between each iteration to avoid hanging

[tropic kraken]

Are there any mods that are not compatible with this mod?

[meager ivy]

i am not aware of any

except for rebalanced moons which is temporarily bugged, but that will be resolved soon

they used to be compatible but i goofed and broke it

everything is configurable and can be disabled

so i would be surprised if it is impossible to make work with some other mod

[tropic kraken]

I have them installed, and it just happened on a vanilla map(Mаrch)

[meager ivy]

the incompatibility just causes a single error to print

and disables some of the patches i was trying to run

[tropic kraken]

okay, I'm gonna try to break it down again

[meager ivy]

it doesnt cause a hard lock unless another mod experiences issues due to that

[tropic kraken]

I think you mean her?

I doubt it, but it can't be UncaughtExceptionCatcher?

[meager ivy]

uncaught exception catcher doesnt cause errors

it catches them to allow other patches that run afterwards to not be interrupted

here it is catching the error I caused in rebalanced moons with the chameleon update

[meager ivy]

i have just pushed v2.1.1

i fixed the rebalanced moons problem on my end until dopadream is back in the fray

this also includes the BlackoutWindows option

[meager ivy]

@granite rampart @copper rampart @quaint mason

[final wagon]

[copper rampart]

waow

does it include all working in the window weights

[meager ivy]

no

no new features

just the blackout windows thing since i added it in like 15 seconds last time it was a topic of discussion

i just wanted to push this so i stop exploding rebalanced moons

[meager ivy]

i still want to do this, just havent yet

in the future i will support it

[old yarrow]

Nice, thanks

[granite rampart]

:)

[quaint mason]

Add this to Chameleon

[flat geyser]

Ill make a pull request for this as soon as my pc is functioning again

[glossy light]

those who know

[flat geyser]

those who snowyGiants

[final wagon]

Could chameleon have a option to hide this fuckin tube

i hate it

and LethalPipeRemoval does some weird shit on that code 😭

i'm pretty sure is secretly tanking my fps

[flat geyser]

i just wish the end wasnt invisible lol

same for the helmet on the desk; it has no backfaces

[final wagon]

now that you said that i'll never be able to unseen it 😭

[acoustic bolt]

LethalPipeRemoval only hurts fps if you move furniture, hiding stuff and making sure it's on inactive mode is fine

[meager ivy]

also uses the wrong material which makes it way brighter than the real helmets are

:p

[flat geyser]

just you wait until i get my fucking system working

im gonna do so much

[acoustic bolt]

He had this fixed temporarily when he changed it to be the OG Brown one lol, it was 1:1 with the Brown suit

But then when he reverted it it went back to being borked

[meager ivy]

no it still used the wrong material

he just replaced the texture file that both materials referenced

which caused both to be made lighter

[acoustic bolt]

Ah

[acoustic bolt]

Oh god @meager ivy I just realized the LPR update is using GameObject.Find for the stuff outside of the ship

https://github.com/d-rafferty/lethal-tube-removal/blob/main/Patches/OutsideShipPatch.cs

[meager ivy]

lol yeah it's using GameObject.Find for absolutely everything

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(StartOfRound), "Start")] //runs the patch each time the round is started
not true btw

[acoustic bolt]

That's awful for performance lol

[meager ivy]

yes it's definitely ill advised

although to be real it probably won't matter taht much

despite what that comment says, StartOfRound.Start only occurs once, when you host or join the ship

so you will get a massive lag spike when you join because it does a million finds

but then it should be fine

[acoustic bolt]

That might explain why clients sometimes fail to make it into the lobby sometimes

[meager ivy]

wouldn't rule it out as a possibility

[acoustic bolt]

and have to then join again

[meager ivy]

it helps if you increase your timeout in lobbycontrol

assuming you use it (since you are in matty's thread)

some of my friends are overseas and one of them has a hard time joining with the default timeout of 3000ms

but with 10000ms she's able to get in way more consistently

so that's an option to explore

perhaps

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah, or just maybe I should get rid of LPR. I feel like an ideal solution would be for someone to make a better alternative lol

[meager ivy]

perhaps

[versed hull]

that's probably what they mean

no?

[meager ivy]

i can assure you there is no good reason for all those gameobject.find statements to be written the way were

but most of these objects aren't referenced by any scripts, so you are going to inevitably wind up using finds

[acoustic bolt]

True, but it is a bit excessive for sure

[meager ivy]

but instead of searching the entire hierarchy for "Environment/HangarShip/XYZ"

you can just do GameObject.Find("/Environment/HangarShip/").transform, cache that

and then do transform.Find("XYZ") on all the children you want to find in there

when using GameObject.Find is absolutely unavoidable that is what i tend to make use of

a couple chameleon patches need to do that, as well as some of the corpse/masked patches, and Artifice Blizzard

and probably also SnowyHolidayDropship but it's been a while

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah it should be used only when necessary

[versed hull]

would have to profile but maybe better to destroy on a seperate frame?

[meager ivy]

anyways i also think the amount of objects they destroy is not good practice either IMO

would be much better to just disable the gameobjects, or disable the renderers + colliders attached to them

to avoid breaking other scripts

tbf I think most mods that are written well would handle those objects being destroyed the same way they'd handle the objects being disabled

but it's still not a great idea to just be destroying random objects in the vanilla scenes

anyways the mod is still being actively maintained supposedly

i checked it a day or two ago and saw an update within 24h

maybe someone could make a PR or something if the creator is open to contributions

with some optimizations

[versed hull]

might be better to run this earlier in regards to that

if some mods are for whatever reason caching things and unfortunately not safely checking them you'd want this to run asap

[quaint mason]

Have you ever considering fixing dead manticoils?

IIrc their death animation worked long ago, where they would flip belly-side up, but now they just spin in place

[mental crystal]

I feel that’s moreso something for buttery fixes

Not my place to say though.

[quaint mason]

I just suggested it here since

this is the atmospheric stuff

I guess, lol

[meager ivy]

i have considered it

but ih ave no idea why they are completely broken

or how they are intended to work

[meager ivy]

if you make yourself untargetable with imperium they also spin wildly even while alive so i think there is more to it

[final wagon]

i was thinking

all the moons have a default skybox and snowy preset right?

or i'm wrong

cuz there's still that annoying bug on the skybox in foggy moons

you could just change the skybox to make it less noticeable

[meager ivy]

what is the annoying bug

[final wagon]

this one

[meager ivy]

oh

yeah

[meager ivy]

dopadream is changing skyboxes with atlas so im not going to touch them

[final wagon]

Atlas?

is it a new modded moon?

[meager ivy]

#1308174824505479290 message

[final wagon]

YO

hype

[final wagon]

Atlas will not require LLL as a dependency right?

[meager ivy]

idk

[flat geyser]

Yes

It's intended to be used with LLL and will not function without it

it uses content tags

which is not a vanilla feature

[final wagon]

That's a shame

It won't be fully client-side then

Could you make it work without it? Even if it didn't allow to customize 😭

[flat geyser]

It is though

all my stuff is only done on the client

[versed hull]

(LLL isn’t client side iirc)

[flat geyser]

then it'll only work for modpacks that have LLL, sorry lol

idk

[final wagon]

yeah, it isn't

[final wagon]

😭

could just make some default settings if the player doesn't have LLL and call it client-side tbf

[flat geyser]

maybe

i dont think i patch anything lll related so im pretty sure i can make it a soft dep

its just kinda annoying lol

[final wagon]

happy ending

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[flat geyser]

ok i dids it

it works in vanilla now lol

was less annoying than i thought

[flat geyser]

go try it

he he

[final wagon]

NO WAY

sound:1168655651455639582:1192245032829321326

i won't wait thunderstore

AnimatedPlink

[flat geyser]

you can still disable it

[quaint mason]

Random, though probably nonsensical, and quite frankly impossible idea without certain dependencies, but

The anomalous entities (Jesters, ghost girls, nutcrackers, masked, butlers, and barbers) should come out from v4's, "anomalies", instead of vents and holes

Though, I don't even know what the anomalies look like, so it might be an even worse idea

[meager ivy]

in the only footage i've seen they were just red cubes IIRC

maybe in one of the alphas, they have some assets laying around

[quaint mason]

Huh

That makes me wonder if the entities were initially going to have a unique anomaly for each type

Since the red cube I assumed spawned a red pill

[meager ivy]

lol i fucked up the snowy giants

the snow disappears from their body whenever they chase players because i forgot to check a value somewhere

so i guess i'll release a hotfix for that

[quaint mason]

How does this even happen wtf

I didn't even know that was possible

[meager ivy]

it's because i made the snow disappear when they get lit on fire

which is done by detecting when they change AI state to state 2

except i forgot to check for the number 2

[quaint mason]

Ah

[meager ivy]

so if they changed state to any state (they change between 0 and 1 when roaming/chasing)

the snow would vanish

[bleak fog]

Forest Keepers were the real Chameleon all along

[strange umbra]

are there like any mods that make enemies change like that depending on what their current action state thing is

[meager ivy]

idk what you mean

[strange umbra]

like when chasing they change

I feel like there's something you could do with that with skins I'm just not creative enough

[bleak fog]

Not that I know, just the simple skin mods like ColorfulEnemyVariety

[leaden roost]

does this mod affect fps at all? if so, how significantly?

[final wagon]

if you change the fog quality, significantly, otherwise, not all

[mental crystal]

^

Without fog quality enabled I have no performance decrease.

I also have a pretty mid GPU (45-75FPS on average) and 16GB of RAM. No noticeable changes

[flat geyser]

depends on your gpu i think

[mental crystal]

Does the sound of the rain on gordion affect the company monster?

Ive noticed when its raining the hatch will open even without ringing the bell. Of course not just the rain but I was also transferring items to the desk

This was solo while muted

[meager ivy]

storms do not make noise

dropping items does

footsteps also make noise

[mental crystal]

does the rain make noise though?

This happened consistently through 3 quotas. Usually even in multiplayer with footsteps, talking and dropping items it doesnt open the hatch unless its extra loud or you use the bell.

When its stormy with the only sounds being walking to the desk and placing items on it the hatch seems to always open

multiple times, whenever its stormy

selling about 10-15 items the hatch opens about once or twice

[bleak fog]

Jeb picks up any noise from about anything, the bell is just a noisemaker with no special properties. You can not use it at all

Setting a bunch of items on the desk or walking/talking next to the deck will make him open the window

[mental crystal]

I know, I'm just wondering if Chameleons rain is included

Since from all previous experiences without it I've gone much louder without triggering it once

[bleak fog]

I think there is some rng involved, iirc Jeb has a mood mechanic or something that makes him more irritable on some days

[mental crystal]

Didnt know that was a thing

besides that, It happened consistently over 3 quotas

usually 1-2 times

I did have stormy chance as always by mistake, so it was raining each time

its been fine whenever I dont use it

[meager ivy]

this is correct

[mental crystal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

might just be me being unlucky

hell of a coincidence if so

[bleak fog]

Some items are louder too, with Engines and Axles of course triggering Maneater crying. If you had a lot of those Jeb would check the window faster

Toy Robot and Teeth are another example with their ambient noises while being held

[mental crystal]

I didnt

mostly modded scrap which uses sounds of lightweight items

maybe they had a high volume according to Jeb?

[bleak fog]

Maybe, it is funny how much rng is actually involved in making Jeb check the counter

Just spitballing here

[quaint mason]

What's the source image of the Snowy Manor window?

[meager ivy]

winter im wald by walter moras

[quaint mason]

Thank you

[stable ibex]

Is it possible to assign windows and caves by instead putting names of content tags in the place of moons? (i.e. putting 'Volcanic' in place of a moon to automatically assign that window/cave weight to all moons with the Volcanic tag)

[meager ivy]

at this point in time no

[meager ivy]

has anybody had issues with the PowerOffBreakerBox setting?

i've noticed that, for some reason, it doesn't trigger all the time

oh i think i maybe found what's wrong

[meager ivy]

ok yea

im pretty sure what was happening is that if you unplugged the apparatus on a previous round

it would immediately try to set the breaker box's material

once you returned to orbit and it reset

but the breaker box was missing, so nothing would happen, but it would still prevent applying the changes twice

so if you then unplugged apparatus on that round, it wouldn't update the actual breaker box

sort of a tricky catch but i am glad i found it

it was irking me a bit

[bleak fog]

I never noticed because I have it turned off, it is not how breaker boxes work irl

At least not the ones I have seen

[mental crystal]

I’d presume it would work like that since the apparatus is an important upkeep of the facilities entire power supply. Why or what it does is another unimportant story.

The breaker box probably doesn’t have its own power supply

[bleak fog]

Well if there is a power outage irl circuit breakers maintain their settings, imagine if when power was restored you had to go outside and flip all the circuits back on

[meager ivy]

there is definitely some video game logic happening

like the fact that every single switch is connected to the exact same power source

[mental crystal]

The light on the breaker box turning off makes sense though

[meager ivy]

so all of them have to be turned on or the entire building is dark

lol

[bleak fog]

Well yeah that detail is funny too

[meager ivy]

in gameplay it works ok because it lets you fight with your friends to keep the power off

[bleak fog]

LC selective realism at its finest

[meager ivy]

and i guess it's like a mini puzzle if you don't know how all the switches are supposed to be flipped

and you find it

shrug

[bleak fog]

A mod where the facility is divided into various sections that are each controlled by the different switches would be cool. It would be a guessing game which switch controls what area but it could be useful

[meager ivy]

lol the 18808786 march nutcracker

it would be cool yeah

it would also make power off days more interesting i think

where the breakers starts with random switches unflipped

it'd be less immediately obvious that you need to find the breaker box and activate it

and it'd add a lot of interesting scenarios where you might get lost because you found the breaker box and turned it on, and it locked a door you need to use to get back

but it would feel a lot more organic because you would've trekked through powered areas with closed doors, and maybe not remembered the dark areas with an open door you walked through

etc.

i could see that being interesting

[meager ivy]

this is fixed now

hooray

i need to post the next chameleon update because i've been fixing a bunch of stuff i overlooked before

but im planning to port the butterybalance fog rework over to this since it works clientside and doesn't really offer a gameplay advantage like i expected it would

(the butterybalance setting will just increase the minimum fog distance only, and using both at the same time would result in the same visuals as before)

i was gonna publish both together though

so the redundancy wouldn't cause confusion

and that's kind of bottlenecking chameleon

er, maybe "blocking" is the better word in this case

[bleak fog]

Small thing, I have noticed the big fan at main keeps spinning when the power is out, albeit without noise or light to make it apparent

It could be a thing to have it turn off

[meager ivy]

still makes noise for me

although that is a good catch

maybe i could make it work like the breaker box and turn off (and silence itself) when apparatus is unplugged

i guess i could try toggling it on/off with the lights too but i'd need to be careful not to break anything

[bleak fog]

Maybe it is like how the exterior building lights remain on after App unplug, idk

[meager ivy]

i love him

[bleak fog]

Is this a feature tease, Fox silhouette in Shrouds at night?

[meager ivy]

no it's just because ive been testing on this one save file for forever so everywhere is super weed infested

he attacked me on march while i was testing the breaker box stuff LOL

the fox just renders weirdly in the fog because of its fluffy fur shader

[bleak fog]

Do you not have Imperium?

[meager ivy]

i do yeah but i was idling on the ship while double checking my code

anyways i might put out the chameleon update early because it irks me that snowy giants and the breaker box are broken in the thunderstore version

butterybalance update probably wont be for a tad longer because there's another cut feature i'd like to restore in the next version

[bleak fog]

What is that

[meager ivy]

all will be revealed with time

but as a bit of a hint

it was added in v64 and removed almost immediately because of bugs

1a3 and i figured out what was wrong with it, but zeekerss hasn't acknowledged our bug report yet, so i'd like to add it back with mods in the meantime

all of that probably makes it super obvious but if it doesn't

soon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bleak fog]

Is it standing on Old Bird’s heads

More interactions with your favorite entity

I thought that was a bug itself, not a planned feature, very interesting

[meager ivy]

since my hints were so obvious i'll just spill yeah

zeekerss teased this pretty much as soon as he made the patreon post about the physics region stuff

even before v56 he was making allusions to eventually letting players ride the mechs

he finally implemented it in one of the v64 hotfixes

but due to some parenting + order-of-execution jank

if you were standing on a mech as it booted up, it would "abduct" your renderers as part of the enemy itself

so the script that makes enemies turn invisible when the ship doors are closed would affect you

and it would cause your radar dot to be visible to other players + some of those renderers had colliders that would start bugging you out once they were moved to a different layer

let me go see if i can find the video it was really funny

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974101195545280542/1281070103382982656/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_29.mp4?ex=67b33fc1&is=67b1ee41&hm=adedf168b640cfe248b684d81b3f5d1a10b5963ddb64b93c270e680258443ae2&

anyways i'm pretty confident if this was fixed the feature could be restored just fine

[bleak fog]

Darn

Actual seizure warning

This talk about restored features reminds me, I know you have not done much with modeling, but do you think you are gonna make a mod that makes the ship have its old vault door?

[meager ivy]

i wasnt considering it

i suppose in hindsight it could be kinda cool

i don't know that it'd be too difficult to pull off, but it probably wouldnt play nice with other ship mods

did the old ship ever actually have a door model? or was it just the circular opening

the vault doors from it steals' living halls might work

[bleak fog]

I just found this on the Fandom Wiki

[final wagon]

chill, Liquidation will bring it back like he did with the elevator on Mineshaft

you just have to believe enough

[meager ivy]

oh i guess it did have a door model actually

now that i think about it

i don't understand the lethal company ship doors whatsoever

where on earth do they go when they open

Lol

[final wagon]

also, ever considered using the exclusive yellow door as the main entrance from the mineshaft?

[meager ivy]

like, in a physical sense

[bleak fog]

I have thought about that for a while, same issue with the Artifice hangars too

[meager ivy]

maybe they're flexible and roll in/out? idk

[final wagon]

they're just built different like the Extension Ladder

[meager ivy]

i have considered it

but when i tried it looked a little weird

and i sent it to dopadream and she thought it was just straight up ugly

not that i disagree

Lol

[final wagon]

ok, then forget about it

[meager ivy]

it'd be "sorta cool" but i think for the degree of effort it'd take to support it, i would want it to look good

[bleak fog]

What is funny about the Extension Ladder is that if you look closely at the start of its animation you can see the ladder stretch out from a compressed state

[meager ivy]

it does kind of irk me that factories have the same entrance/exit

because the manor door acts like a cool visual detail + gives you some additional information before you enter the building

[final wagon]

and what about the no black square on Experimentation main entrance? 😭

[meager ivy]

i dont consider it a bug

dopadream's rebalanced moons removes the experimentation interior

and puts the black plane there

i thought about putting the black plane there for consistency but TBH it's not a major issue and it's kind of a cool glimpse into an ancient archaelogical detail

[final wagon]

but i didn't wanna using a mod required by all clients to have that, it's just strange entering the facility and always seeing the leftover from the alpha

[final wagon]

i think the door/hole randomly placed at the wall is more cool than that

[bleak fog]

You can still see the old interior with the hole in the wall at the back of the building

I personally would much appreciate the consistency of black void doors

[final wagon]

ok

i regret asking for that

[meager ivy]

yeah it's the sort of thing that sounds like it'd be cool

but then in practice

it's just kind of ugly

it is sad

a long time ago someone was making a unique mineshaft entrance door

in this thread

but then they vanished from the community

[flat wraith]

still sad about that

[final wagon]

i remember, it was a cool project, sad that it didn't work

[flat wraith]

oh wtf we have a mutual friend

[bleak fog]

I mean if it could be modified a bit, like having a frame and different proportions

[flat wraith]

like me and that person

[bleak fog]

😭

What the heck is this

[flat wraith]

just two gross little corpse people, that's all

[meager ivy]

this is even better than the other one

this is good

[bleak fog]

Man I wish I knew 3D modeling, I would so try my hand at a Mineshaft entrance door