Employee Classes [Public Beta]

[simple sonnet]

EmployeeClasses
DISCLAIMER: This project is in early stages of development. This version has been made public for beta testing

This mod adds a class selection mechanic to Lethal Company to provide more opportunities for teamwork and ways to play. The class selection menu may be accessed from the pause screen while in orbit. (The host has the power to change class anywhere for testing purposes. This is a temporary feature that will be removed)

The available classes are as follows (more detailed descriptions available on Thunderstore):

Scout
Agile but fragile. They can quickly traverse the facility and outrun monsters with ease. This is coupled with less health and a heightened weight penalty. Getting in is easy, but getting out? Not so much.

Brute
Brutes are tough and slow. They boast additional health and a very small weight penalty which allows them to carry heavier items with impunity. The brute can safely fight off monsters and haul heavy loot without much difficulty.

Researcher
A sneaky boi capable of healing and enhanced perception. He turns fallen monsters into something useful.

Maintenance
A specialized class capable of interacting with technology found in the facility. Maintenance carries a dim headlamp, freeing up an extra slot to carry loot. The extra equipment makes mobility clunky and loud.

Thunderstore --> https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DaJadeNinja/EmployeeClasses/

[distant eagle]

Howy cwap

[hidden tundra]

MY GOATTTT

[unborn cloak]

Get a public repo attatched to this please 😄

[hidden tundra]

#1198790641933635674 message ye he'll do that soon I thinke :3

[unborn cloak]

ah nice

@simple sonnet when you get the repo up I might point out some stuff code wise if you don't mind 🙂

[simple sonnet]

I don't mind

[mossy torrent]

it is now real

[simple sonnet]

I don't know anything about modding

or C#

[unborn cloak]

yaaa dw can kinda tell the code has solid intent just doing one or two weird/unideal things prob cuz you just haven't been put onto them yet

[pulsar heath]

[hidden tundra]

@simple sonnet the readme looks pretty good dude!! I don't think you need to worry too much

[bitter wyvern]

Holy crap this is out??

This and biodiversity so close together is wild

[oblique bone]

sick!

[mossy torrent]

getting to testing it then

[hidden tundra]

that's cuz biodiversity is a dependency of this, you NEED to play them together, no other way to do it

[bitter wyvern]

If you don’t Mr. Lethal will come to your house irl

[bitter wyvern]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExb2NhYzJ0cWtmNXJ1cDIybTBreHd2cDJrcmQ0NGh4MHJjcHpqcmY0YyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/SyQIk78kIBfIr6rWnh/giphy.gif

[steel ingot]

will install.,..

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despite-all-odds-goofy-cat-strange-cat-how-inspiring-gif-12562951182229542378

[hidden tundra]

@random pier we oughta lock in brother 🫡

[bitter wyvern]

From reading the mod page, Scout definitely sounds like the “worst” of the four

[hidden tundra]

the weight penalty is a little rough

and initially I thought it'd be better to give scout an extra slot but that was axed

[light quiver]

There's really no reason to pick Scout compared to the other three from what I can tell

[bitter wyvern]

Brute>Maintenance>Researcher>Scout

[hidden tundra]

I definitely think the speed should be buffed

but this is smth you can only see in playtesting

[bitter wyvern]

Yeah

[hidden tundra]

values are a delicate thing

[bitter wyvern]

In reality it could be way better than it sounds on paper

[hidden tundra]

and he did playtest a bunch w friends

[hidden tundra]

Mhm

[simple sonnet]

Scout needs to be more useful

[bitter wyvern]

I’d try it rn myself but it’s like 3 AM lol

[simple sonnet]

Uninteresting and not that powerful

[mossy torrent]

the higher oxygen reserve kind of works for mineshaft?

having an easier time in the caves section and all that

[bitter wyvern]

Mineshaft and floods

Also, by default do you have no class?

[hidden tundra]

I'm unsure on how he ended up handling it

[light quiver]

Until I can get a group together to test; I'll just keep an eye on this.

[bitter wyvern]

If so, it’d be neat to name the default class “Scavenger”

[simple sonnet]

By default, you're an employee, which is the default class

[bitter wyvern]

Rad

[pulsar heath]

One recommendation - maybe nerf brute a bit, looks a bit too op

Also researcher sounds weaker than scout hp wise but isnt 🤔

[hidden tundra]

well it'd be a bit silly if scout could tank at all seeing as it's the most mobile class, and it's supposed to draw enemies to itself as a big distraction

researcher's more about stealth, and it'd be very unfair if by messing up your stealth you'd get punished by an OHKO to the face I guess?

though you can still get ohko'd by spiders as researcher

[warm prawn]

Should probably mark your inpututils dependency on thunderstore :)

[simple sonnet]

OH

How do I add dependencies on thunderstore?\

[pulsar heath]

Yeah I get it, either way as of now brute is way too op and I would usually go for lighter builds but if Brute is too op yknow what will be the outcome 🤷‍♂️

[hidden tundra]

through the manifest file

[pulsar heath]

Anyways these are just my initial thoughts, I have to test them myself when I get the chance

[hidden tundra]

here's biodiversity's manifest file so you can use it as a reference for deps

or- wait shit that's yours

LMAO

here

oh yeah @obsidian kettle employee classes is out

[hidden tundra]

thought you'd like to know

[hidden tundra]

wbat the fuck is this . . .

[distant eagle]

Drippy coil head

[oblique bone]

sheesh

[hidden tundra]

hard asf

[distant eagle]

Its 2 items totaling at like 300😭

Very drippy and expensive and cool

[prisma summit]

I never would’ve guessed this would be real

[simple sonnet]

Fixed it

[willow sparrow]

just to make sure, Employee is nothing?

[simple sonnet]

Affirmative

[hidden tundra]

you can also use the changelogs feature in TS to keep track of version history

[willow sparrow]

thx

[hidden tundra]

all you hnave to do is create a .md named "CHANGELOG.md" and you use the same formatting you used for the readme

it's a bit cleaner imo

it would probs look smth like this, unless you want a different formatting

also, I decided to touch up your readme a liiiiittle bit, you don't have to use it I just did it cuz I was bored 😭

all I did was add

these

[warm prawn]

Are visual differences for the different classes planned like the original concept had?

[hidden tundra]

I don't know what Jade plans to do in the future but the original idea was that me and Tilted were gonna bring em to life for the mod, ye

[willow sparrow]

Incompatibility:

• Reseatcher hability of looking through walls is not working if you have GoodItemScan

[simple sonnet]

There's gonna be a crap ton of incompatibilities with any mod that changes related things. Compatibility would be a nightmare

[real scroll]

dangggg

@blazing tide

[simple sonnet]

GoodItemScan totally overwrites the vanilla scanner

I might add the same sort of functionality though. I didn't realize there was a scan node limit

[blazing tide]

@simple sonnet & @willow sparrow, GoodItemScan has an API for this

[opaque willow]

what is this

Why is every employee classes' behavior in one (C#) class 😭

this might just be the decompiler not understanding switch statements but if not..

Sorry for the callout, I was just having a peek to see if it was possible to create my own classes

but yeah probably not sadly

[unborn cloak]

@opaque willow homie new to c#, im gonna point out some stuff once he all github'd up

[opaque willow]

ah ok

I mean if it works it works, LC itself also has some questionable coding decisions lol

[hidden tundra]

don't be too harsh on my goat i'll cry I swear . . . .

[jade lagoon]

would be nice if there were descriptions of the classes ingame

[mystic lake]

Very cool

Are the class stats configurable? And how does this interact with mods that change stats like lategame upgrades

[stable condor]

also give it tags lol

the actual mod on thunderstore

[silk iris]

I don't think the scout's beacon ability really fits well with what i think the scout is trying to achieve. They're fast, fragile, and are severely impacted by heavy weights... So, i suspect they're intended to carry smaller items at a more rapid pace than the others which is reasonable enough.

Though when it comes to the Beacon ability, why would the tiny fragile class want to attract attention of monsters rather than having the big strong guy do that sort of thing?

I think, ideally, a scout class would have 2 navigation tools; a wayfinder that shows them the way entry/exit points depending on if they're outside/inside, and then a beacon that creates a path their teamates can follow to find the Scout.

Scout runs in deep, finds huge pile of scrap, rings their beacon and then everyone else could follow the little pathway to them to collect. I think that would be a neat thing for the scout. Then the Scout could lead the way out

[warm prawn]

After playing a bit of this tonight, jumping seems way more taxing than usual regardless of what class you're playing. Even playing as the standard employee jumping takes like 30% or so of your stamina

Can feel really sluggish doing even basic movement strats

[silk iris]

I think i also noticed a strange delay in regenerating stamina when exiting the fatigued state.

[warm prawn]

I thought I was insane ^^^

[silk iris]

i felt a lot of "i should be able to jump right now. why can't i jump"

[warm prawn]

AccurateStaminaDisplay feels mandatory with this mod atm

[silk iris]

yes, was just about to mention it. Litterally just checked again without Employee Classes, and the stamina regen delay went away

[warm prawn]

Otherwise loved the abilities for the most part, there were moments when playing with a buddy where it was like: I wish we had [Insert Class] for this or [Insert Class] for that. Is the exact feeling I get when we have an uneven team composition in DRG

[jade lagoon]

a wayfinder feels quite powerful, maybe something better would be a pinger that makes a noise, then the main entrance and fire exits play that noise back with slight delay so you can try and echolocate.
instead of a path, i think the beacon should make a scan node on the player viewable from any distance through walls, but still attract monsters

[obtuse rampart]

How about just an arrow that points to the nearest exit?

Or maybe it could display coordinates with 0.0 being the main entrance

[warm prawn]

Scout however had none of those moments, it feels kinda underwhelming compared to the other 3 and as I'm seeing here I'm not the only one with that opinion

[jade lagoon]

feels a bit too simple and easy

[obtuse rampart]

Well you'd still have to remember how to get there

With deadends and all that

Or maybe it points towards a receiver that you also need to bring along

[warm prawn]

Cool note was learning that the kick could not only open doors, but locked doors as well

[silk iris]

I think the Engineer and Brute are the most capable in solo play, while the Researcher relies on killing creatures to use their ability but still gets a ton of value from the wall-hacks.

Scout, on the other hand... the fragility and weight penalty are just too damning for effective solo play. Bad luck with heavy scraps or 2-handers will have a Solo scout crying

[obtuse rampart]

Seems like this mod just bricks imperium as well, not sure why

[silk iris]

And, speaking of the Engineer, I think the light source would feel better if it came from the right side of the players view rather than the crowded left side that has all the hud elements.

[obtuse rampart]

Sounds are way too loud too, ears hurtie

[hidden tundra]

it's mostly because of the design of the helmet they're gonna have in the future

blame me for that one lmao

[silk iris]

Sending a Jester to your home rn

[obtuse rampart]

Could just flip the design

[hidden tundra]

yeh

[silk iris]

Dark magic!!!!

[hidden tundra]

did Jade not use your sounds?

[obtuse rampart]

Did, but they are REALLY loud

The hacking sound is louder than the door itself

[hidden tundra]

happens, yeah

nothing a good ol' tweakin can't fix

[hidden tundra]

as I see it, the fragile guy attracting all the attention is the fun of it

it wouldn't be interesting if the big brute attracted all threats to themselves and could just tank all the hits and then strike back w full force kicks and punches, imo

[silk iris]

But that's like, standard class fantasy

[hidden tundra]

it's more interesting to be bait for enemies in a situation where you're tryina save your teammates

[hidden tundra]

yeah, but subverting stuff is fun too

[obtuse rampart]

Wild animals always pick the weakest of the herd afterall

[silk iris]

I'm not against it attracting enemies, but I think it ought to also help your teammates find you in a more tangible fashion than just being loud

[hidden tundra]

I do think scouts should have more navigation buffs imo, but I don't think the problem w them is their design philosophy

[obtuse rampart]

Wonder how a stim shot would work

[hidden tundra]

i mean, researcher's right there

[obtuse rampart]

oh right

I mean more like a speed thing though, not healing

[silk iris]

Using NilsHud, I noticed the stim shot seemed to mess up how much health I had. I should probably check again using a simpler health mod, like HealthMetrics

[hidden tundra]

the stim ability is actually done the exact opposite of how I originally proposed

which was to have it give you a boost of HP that takes you to full, but then ticks down back to where your HP used to be

[obtuse rampart]

Oh man, now that this mod came out I want to make a longform gameplay LC modpack even more

[hidden tundra]

lethal progression + employee classes + lgu :devilish :

[obtuse rampart]

Heck yeah

[silk iris]

Lethal Company skill trees when? 🙏🏻 climb that corporate ladder

[obtuse rampart]

I might actually start cracking away at that in the future

[warm prawn]

I wish the hacking sound ended immediately when the door opened and had some sort of conclusion to it

[hidden tundra]

My take on it is that it should be more like clanks and clinks, w some spark sfxs and shit like he's actually messing w the circuitry inside, not pulling out a little hackerman doodad to magically open the door

[warm prawn]

Opportunity to hack things other than doors never came up but I'd assume those also have the issue of the sound playing for a teeny bit after hacking

[hidden tundra]

The class' name is maintenance, not "hacker", so it feels like it'd fit more if he actually got his hands dirty doing the job

but I don't dislike the interpretation really

[warm prawn]

This sounds peak

Do you know if the UI elements are temp? The stim count graphic isn't very intuitive and having a white bar that doesn't even accurately tell you your keybind feels clunky and not very well integrated

[hidden tundra]

oh? wdym white bar?

[warm prawn]

Not white bar but white string of text sorry

[hidden tundra]

I thought the stim graphic was a blue bar with little indents showing the amount of bar

[hidden tundra]

oh no idea

Uhh I assume they're temporary? it's all mostly developer art as far as I know.

[obtuse rampart]

I dont wanna play a hacking minigame every time I want to use a door

[hidden tundra]

doing UI elements for lethal company is a bit hard cuz everyone just does the same as everyone else and does the little semi-circle thing under the stamina bar

[hidden tundra]

oh shit is that a thing?

[warm prawn]

No

[hidden tundra]

that sounds sick asf icl

ahh dang

[silk iris]

I've not seen any mods that place an extra bar under the stamina bar ☠️

[warm prawn]

Just a hold input atm

[hidden tundra]

that'd be like LGU's lockpicker, fucking love that shit

[hidden tundra]

stamina display and oxygen come to mind

not stamina display

fuck

insanity display

[silk iris]

Besides, who care what other mods have done? Make your. Od as if it's the only one... do compatibility later

[hidden tundra]

it's 7 in the morning 😭

[silk iris]

Insanity goes above the stamina bar tho

[warm prawn]

Hacking tool in lethalthings made you do math for hacking

[hidden tundra]

hated that lmao

[hidden tundra]

does it now? iirc it was under

[warm prawn]

Was like single digit addition tho?

[hidden tundra]

this is easier said than done honestly

[hidden tundra]

I failed math 4 years in a row in highschool

do you see the problem XD

[warm prawn]

Oh oof I dropped out

[silk iris]

The current hud elements currently interfer with the "don't blink" blink meter, which IS under the stamina bar.

But 🤷‍♂️

[hidden tundra]

I thought a good way of checking your current stim and the helmet's battery could be a lil bar above the hotbar

[hidden tundra]

oh damn I didn't know that, mb

sorry to hear that

[warm prawn]

Not a big deal I'm gonna take the courses needed to get the certs soon dw

Initial thought for how the abilities' hud could have been done was kinda how Among Us has it with a graphic in the corner

Which would change and have the cooldown number on top of it

LC has a cute little hud style that would enable that kind of hud too

(What I mean)

Wouldn't have to be like fancy or whatever just a little graphic for that class' ability

[analog iron]

hallo

[real dome]

@red garden

[real dome]

@red garden

[red garden]

why

Hey we have an idea for a new class.

[real dome]

can u add the licker class where it would deal 5x damage against wax soldiers from biodiversity via licking it

[red garden]

The Freakployee update

[winged prism]

yippee

[random pier]

wha happen

[rare tinsel]

does tihis have the thing

the new player models

like brute is b igger

[random pier]

not yet

[hidden tundra]

nah that whenever you're free we gotta get to working on the model stuff

I've got a buddy who's also interested but he's doing biodiversity work rn

[random pier]

Ough

Okie

I'll try to lock in

Spinning a lotta plates

[hidden tundra]

wasn't a demand, just reminding ya heheh

we all got shit going on

[willow sparrow]

Suggestions:

• Not allowing constant class switching, leaving a quota selection limit, or only allowing you to switch classes when entering the save.
• Adding a bar for performing the action, indicating that it is loading or in the process of performing the skill so that one knows that the action is being performed correctly.
• (I suppose this has already been thought of) Performing the animations, scout using the beacon, brute kicking, researcher harvesting, synthesizing and injecting, maintenance performing the hack or having some device that allows you to hack and take out the solar panel to recharge.
• (I suppose this has already been thought of) Having different models (not too exaggerated) of each of the classes with the properties that each one has, or that can be clearly differentiated from each other.

[hidden tundra]

yehs, the models are already designed

[hidden tundra]

Ideally we wanted to make the classes something you unlock rather than have from.the start, but also have the option to have them from the start

so you'd buy them individually as "upgrades" for yourself

[willow sparrow]

Oh, I was thinking of it more like the "Origins" type of Minecraft mods, but that option is also fine, how do you have it in mind?

[willow sparrow]

I see

[hidden tundra]

Basically a fusion of LGU (own menu) and TooManyEmotes where you have your own credits system separate from group credits which would be saved to the individual that buys them and no one else

[willow sparrow]

not a bad idea

[hidden tundra]

Then an idea we had a while back to justify the separate credits system is to make it so you can also buy "levels" to your class which would unlock perks for you to add on top of your class abilities

the system in concept would work kind of like Rivals of Aether's rune system, where you have weaker perks and stronger perks, and a set amount of perk slots with each perk taking up a certain amount of them

(runes from RoA)

it was just an idea we played with, so it'll either not be a thing in the mod for a while or get scrapped for something else

[patent warren]

are the buttons and keybinds for classes going to look better in the future

[obtuse rampart]

Most of the UI is placeholder

[hidden tundra]

Developer art, yeah

[simple sonnet]

I have so much to read lol

Config options will not be in the public beta at this moment

I intend to create an API for adding classes once everything is done

[willow sparrow]

ooh, that's interesting

btw, don't worry about chocoquota, you can focus on this :]

[warm prawn]

This whole discussion is probs important to read up on

[simple sonnet]

• Jumping does weird stuff

• costs too much
• consumes stamina on ladders
• consumes stamina even when you can't actually jump

• Scout is too useless
• Sound balancing hasn't happened yet lol. Meant to do that before the release. My bad
• The ability HUD being a white string of text is 100% temporary. Do not assume anything graphical is going into the final version. All that's properly implemented is gameplay mechanics.
• I plan to have all classes unlocked from the start by default and a config option to buy them if you don't like that
• The class menu will have class descriptions and won't be an ugly plain menu in the pause screen. Nothing graphical is actually done
• Update vanilla stamina value with modded one
• Remove post-kick invincibility
• Make hacking not go through walls

[warm prawn]

The jumping thing also consumes stamina when on a ladder for some reason

[willow sparrow]

also, if you press space when you don't have enough stamina to jump, you spend stamina but you don't jump.

[warm prawn]

^

[stable condor]

that might be vanilla??? im honestly not too sure but i've seen that before on HUD mods

[willow sparrow]

I can confirm this is not a vanilla issue :]

[stable condor]

hmm alright, could be this mod then, i just remember seeing one of those stamina HUD mods decreasing stamina whenever you press space even when u dont have enough

[willow sparrow]

When you don't have enough stamina to jump, you don't jump, but the stamina isn't spent, as if you weren't doing anything.

[stable condor]

yeah that makes most logical sense

[short flax]

definitely agree scout is too useless
havent played the mod yet (do plan to) but one thing i will say is that the 50 hp debuff for scout is no joke, they can die really, really easily

[distant eagle]

Add a gun slinger class 😼

Add a samurai class😼

Add a man eater class🤑

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-jump-barbarian-meme-sped-up-gif-14074021366932976810

[short flax]

leaked footage of gunslinger class

[distant eagle]

Engineer class

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-sniper-gif-9022732005398095940

[distant eagle]

Wait what’s the class

With disabling stuff

[short flax]

engineer

[distant eagle]

This is how I imagine he walks around the facility😭

Wait no it’s called maintenance

[short flax]

engineers do maintenance therefore they equalize into the same thing

[distant eagle]

😡

I think its better if he’s called engineer

[short flax]

you could make an engineer class that doesnt do maintenance but thats ultimately up to creator of mod

[distant eagle]

Build friendly turrets

Like the guy from tf2😱

[short flax]

something that could be interesting would be building blockades that block ai navigation but you could just get a locked door mod as well and do the same thing i guess

[distant eagle]

Innit

[random pier]

messing with ai nav sounds hard

[short flax]

well yea but

all im really thinking it'd need is a mesh, collision and nav blocker

after that all you gotta do is script it to be spawned and enable the stuff

in a very very simplified idea of what it probably looks like

i wouldnt know because i cant code yet

[simple sonnet]

I actually foster disdain towards switch statements in any language. They don't compile much differently, do they?

[warm prawn]

Noticing that the mod breaks AccurateStaminaDisplay from the look of it

[simple sonnet]

It keeps its own separate stamina counter

Could be fixed just by updating the vanilla value with the EmployeeClasses one

[warm prawn]

Whatever works, compat probably isn't the biggest priority rn anyway

Have you thought about what you're gonna do for scout at all? Am curious about how you'd go about improving the class to better fill the role and if you've even thought that far yet

[simple sonnet]

I need to sit down and write up a re-design

I don't want to just make him better at what he already does, because he needs some unique role to fulfill

Everything else is needed in a specific situation

[stable condor]

oh? how come?

[analog iron]

suggestion:
it's kinda stupid that brute has a 5 second cooldown on their kick
i think it'd be much neater if there was almost no cooldown but it'd use a significant amount of stamina

it'd allow for better strategy and would just feel more fluid than a random 5-second "you can't kick" penalty

[stable condor]

but also boboo was saying since some decompilers take a switch statement and just turn it into an if-elseif

[warm prawn]

Does use stamina already, I do like the idea of tying it solely to stamina tho

[simple sonnet]

Granted, scout IS good at helping the team get back to the ship at night no matter the monsters outside if you're willing to potentially sacrifice them

Brute -> Something needs killing
Researcher -> Someone needs health, to escape, or there's a dead monster
Maintenance -> Door/turret blocking path
Scout -> Mostly solo improvements that don't affect the team (this is a problem)

The beacon is staying

[warm prawn]

Is it intentional that Brute's kick can open locked doors?

Is cool if so

[analog iron]

oh mb didn't see
ig it could just use more stamina and have like a >1 second cooldown or smth
bc it feels kinda dumb that i can kick smth and have to wait 5 seconds to kick it again tbh

[opaque willow]

Tested it and a switch statement compiles to a special switch instruction which uses a jump table, while ifs are just a bunch of ifs. But shouldn't matter much really, computers are fast. If anything I think switch statements are more readable and easier to edit, but that's up to personal preference

[simple sonnet]

It is

But it should take multiple kicks sometimes

[simple sonnet]

I am of the unpopular opinion that they are ugly

[hidden tundra]

I feel like this wouldn't help the "brute is broken" allegations

[simple sonnet]

They break the code formatting norm by not using brackets the same way

[opaque willow]

rust match 😍

I do agree switch statements are kind of ass in other languages especially compared to rust

[simple sonnet]

I'll let more people test it as is for now, but I'm not opposed to that

[short flax]

i gotta ask: why does brute's ability make the monster kicked have invuln for 1 second after it is no longer stunned?

[stable condor]

i think most rust users would agree most of rust is better smh

[opaque willow]

yeah but that's because rust is so good

unless you accidentally start a beef with the borrow checker

then you have to run for cover

[simple sonnet]

That's a remnant from when I had infinite kicks. I'll take note to fix it

[opaque willow]

But omg once you've used Option and Result you will never want to go back to nullables and exceptions

I should stop yapping about rust

[warm prawn]

Oh just found another oddity: hacking doesn't care about line of sight at all

Can do it through walls

[simple sonnet]

That's weird

[warm prawn]

Is there meant to be a set number how many harvests you can get out of a body?

[simple sonnet]

It should disappear after you harvest it

[warm prawn]

Have had a body poof after like 2 harvests and another stay around well into crafting like 10 synthesized stims

[simple sonnet]

Woah

[warm prawn]

Thought it was an odds thing but judging off that reaction I'd assume it's meant to be 1 harvest period

[simple sonnet]

I haven't had that happen before

When you harvest, it sends an Rpc call to destroy the monster for everyone

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-uber-tf2-ubercharge-charge-gif-25046008

[warm prawn]

Would it matter how that entity was spawned?

Might not be on you if that's the case

[simple sonnet]

Was it modded?

Or like spawned in the test room?

[warm prawn]

Hoarding bug but spawned using the imperium menu

[simple sonnet]

Idk about imperium

The test room and natural spawning both work properly to my understanding

[warm prawn]

That was it I think, harvested a natural snare flea and it got deleted fine

Is the amount gained based off the mob harvested?

Or is a static 25% each time?

[hidden tundra]

the amount you get could be related to the enemy's power level

[simple sonnet]

It's based on the monster

{ "Flowerman", 75 },
{ "Crawler", 50 },
{ "Hoarding bug", 30 },
{ "Centipede", 20 },
{ "Bunker Spider", 60 },
{ "Puffer", 40 },
{ "Nutcracker", 60 },
{ "Masked", 50 },
{ "Butler", 60 },
{ "Clay Surgeon", 50 },
{ "MouthDog", 100 },
{ "ForestGiant", 100 },
{ "Baboon hawk", 50 },
{ "Bush Wolf", 50 },
{ "Manticoil", 20 },
{ "Tulip Snake", 20 }

[hidden tundra]

ooh interesting

[warm prawn]

And I'd assume 50 is the min needed to synthesize?

[simple sonnet]

Yes

[warm prawn]

That's neat

[hidden tundra]

had a weird bug where UI elements like the echo scanner effect and the interaction circle wouldn't appear when using the mod

[winged prism]

any logs?

[hidden tundra]

lemme reprod it

oh what the fuck LMAO

when I turn off the lights I see a frozen png of the weed fog...

[stable condor]

I'm guessing u can't move etc?

Send logs

[hidden tundra]

no yeah I can move

[stable condor]

Oh weird

[hidden tundra]

everything works perfectly

[simple sonnet]

I suspect that's vanilla

[hidden tundra]

my UI's just fucked

[hidden tundra]

.

[stable condor]

Yeah this is the UI that usually pops up when you fuck up majorly

[hidden tundra]

I can even land

sending logs in a bit, though I have message logs turned off

I assume I should re-enable those?

[simple sonnet]

That's so weird

[short flax]

the bug is evolving from not letting you play to trying to be integrated into our sessions

it has breached our defenses
it could possess the HUD of anyone of us

[simple sonnet]

Is it just monty experiencing this?

[hidden tundra]

imma fetch the logs file rq

[simple sonnet]

What did you do

[hidden tundra]

no idea!! I just put the mod in my modpack and playtested by myself

here they be

here's my dependency string

and here's the modpack
0191aa00-bebb-ce42-f781-b0a934f23ea7

[stable condor]

I see 0 logs from employee classes other than loading

[hidden tundra]

.

but yeah it worked after disabling it

[cerulean raven]

w mod

[unborn cloak]

@simple sonnet where github 😛

[jade lagoon]

how does this work with modded monsters?

[hidden tundra]

no idea if there's compat, which is why I suggested it doing it thru power level

[simple sonnet]

Modded currently have a base value

I'll make config for it in the final version

[hidden tundra]

oo cool

[rapid kindle]

scout double jump when XD

[visual leaf]

mod's great, bro of mine (scout) lured a co-worker to jeb with the beacon and got everyone but himself killed. top tier

[jade lagoon]

for some reason jumping takes alot more stamina with this

[rapid kindle]

with this mod atm stamina drain if you hit the jump button mid air

[jade lagoon]

just jumping as normal takes alot more stamina than normal too

[rapid kindle]

ye, just wanted to mention that bug as well

weird jumping bugs

[simple sonnet]

Noted

I intend to put in some work on the next release this weekend and see about launching a repository

[amber mango]

I had an idea for a buff to the scout if they still need one: something like high alert from call of duty maybe?

[rapid kindle]

little idea, make his char messages have infinate range

[random pier]

maybe not that but like

having "pocket access" to the uhhh

transmitter

would be pretty cool

[hidden tundra]

that was an idea for a hypothetical comms class

but it would be cool to buff scout

[rapid kindle]

both ideas work

[chrome jay]

pocket transmitter shitposting is probably the only reason id take scout lol

[safe berry]

Does this mod work in lobbies with more than 4 people?

[random pier]

I don't see why it wouldn't

[jade lagoon]

that feels extremely powerful

[random pier]

's because it is

[simple sonnet]

It does

Definitely will consider a pocket transmitter

[scarlet coral]

Considering making a mod pack based off this mod. How's it been working so far? Any known bugs I can be made aware of prior to building a pack around it?

[willow sparrow]

@scarlet coral

[scarlet coral]

Oh hey thanks 🙂

[simple sonnet]

That's cool! Be aware that this is in very early development. Additionally, you should expect incompatibility with anything that changes a closely related aspect.

[simple sonnet]

Idea: take away door-kicking from brute and give scout a sort of lockpicking as part of his redesign

Nerfs brute and gives scout at least one use case

[random pier]

I like that

that makes Scout feel more like a rogue

bonus points if you can include some form of minigame

kinda like how the Zap Gun has its lil minigame

[simple sonnet]

Known bugs fixed and some things rebalanced ✅

[obtuse rampart]

You wanna elaborate on "some things" at all?

[chrome jay]

says on the ts page lol

[river niche]

YO THIS IS EPIC

Definitely gonna mess with this when I get home

[chrome jay]

ive noticed maintenance redlogs console if youre outside during any weather besides none and your solar tanks try to recharge

certified maint enjoyer so im eager for the small things to get ironed out 🙏

[river niche]

Oh question, are there custom models for them?

But I assume not yet

[random pier]

planned to be

[chrome jay]

theres some concept art for them further up iirc

[river niche]

Oh yeah I love that art piece -

now add the dog class/j

[chrome jay]

having flashbacks to tf2...

[river niche]

I know-

I was so happy when someone made an actual public model of the dog for SFM and Gmod-

[untold vault]

This mod is a neat idea, but I have 2 critiques:

1. The downsides hardly compensate for the high upsides these classes give
2. There’s too much focus and benefit from killing monsters. The game fundamentally tries to get the player to avoid combat except as a last resort, which is why mods like sellbodies don’t work well with the game. I suggest finding alternative non-combat skills within the brute and researcher classes.

[chrome jay]

the downsides are fine imo, except for brute. its a lil stronk

i love the babhawk intimidation and kick sm

brute's 200% dmg/hp could be changed to 150% and still feel fine

[untold vault]

Baboon hawk intimidation is genius, I love it

[chrome jay]

the footstep volume is more noticeable on maint than brute

[untold vault]

The scout class also has a very neat ability. I really like the strategy that comes with the beacon ability. Leading monsters to a location and then sneaking around them is classic horror game stuff

It’s also nice to lead teammates who could be lost

Maintenance is a fine class too, no notes there

[hidden tundra]

I think that brute having a flat damage increase is a bit broken, so I think it'd be slightly more balanced if brute had a 40% chance of dealing x2 damage when hitting something

it can already tank a lot last time I checked

[hidden tundra]

yeaah I love scout, super cool!!!

[chrome jay]

brute doing 1.5 dmg per swing would 2tap a hoarder, and still need 4 to take down a nutcracker. idfk how itd interact w the 2dmg yield sign mod but i can imagine the carnage lmao

[rapid kindle]

now im wondering if this applies to lethal hands(not saying I expect compat but am curious)

[chrome jay]

i would LOVE to see a brute clash an ogopogo or worm if they got jumped

[rapid kindle]

kills the bracken who snatched them

[chrome jay]

haha wouldnt it be crazy if brute could stop the bracken from snapping their neck and looking lovingly into brackens eyes ahaha

[rapid kindle]

[rapid kindle]

offtopic but what would be a good key for easy access to a walkie
like F is for flashlight

[chrome jay]

i use one of the mouse buttons, what i used to use to push to talk. mouse4 i think?

iirc most of the walkie button mods use R which i dislike

[rapid kindle]

I only got 3 mouse buttons XD

and middle is for lethal hands

[chrome jay]

V?

does anything use V

[rapid kindle]

prob not

[untold vault]

R is the typical walkie rebind key

[untold vault]

The BetterEmotes mod uses V

[rapid kindle]

good thing I dont use better emotes

mainly cause of the animation conflicts with piggy's mod

[silk iris]

Number 2 is a really good point. The game really doesn't provide you with much offensive capabilities, and running away/avoidance is often the primary strategy. With both the Brute and the Researcher having abilities that revolve around killing, it takes the edge off of some of the threat level the game typically presents.

[rapid kindle]

cant scan and have the weed fog on the latest release

[jade lagoon]

i agree with 2

[random pier]

in older versions of LC you would often 2-tap hoarders because they had a bug where they would take double damage

[chrome jay]

yea from the doubled up dmg. i miss it intensely and think itd be neat to have back for broot, but still keep him nerfed

i think research could use a more fine combing of its mechanics, cause i dig the stim healing idea but being rewarded for popping mobs is the raisin i avoid stuff like huntdown or lgus hunter. maybe just passive regen buff?

[simple sonnet]

Have you played it yet?

[simple sonnet]

Modlist?

[rapid kindle]

should mention removing the mod or using last version fixes it

[untold vault]

Not yet

[chrome jay]

i didnt get weed fog w new version

[simple sonnet]

I have 0.1.2 running correctly off the thunderstore with some other mods. You've got a conflict or something

[rapid kindle]

lemme reinstall it

[rapid kindle]

lemme get a log for the weed fog

[simple sonnet]

Hehe. That rhymes

[simple sonnet]

Try removing LifetimeCruiserWarranty

Oh wait

I did not scroll down

I don't see anything related to EmployeeClasses going wrong there

[rapid kindle]

im testing 1 thing I suspect

[chrome jay]

any chance of maintenance being able to hack doors/mines w emotes in addition to holding F? pointing at it would be funny

[simple sonnet]

Jumping is still semi-broken in the release apparently

I just finished fixing it playtesting

[chrome jay]

got dragged into two rolling giants on the other side of the adamance bridge by tulip snakes as scout. the noise was glorious lmao

[simple sonnet]

Trying to get bug fixes out this weekend and a reworked scout the next

I noticed that nametags don't sync and show current role properly anymore

[chrome jay]

whatre you reworking on scout? also appending that one bug on maintenance, where the solar tanks spam if trying to recharge on any weather but clear, seems to be fine on stormy as well if you have butteryFixes installed.

[hidden tundra]

so it still drains stamina even while the bar's fully depleted?

[simple sonnet]

Not anymore

I need to look harder at the code this weekend, but it starts off functioning normally

Somewhere during gameplay, it breaks and takes anywhere between an eight to a third of the bar to jump

[simple sonnet]

I will elaborate soon

[hidden tundra]

nicee

[simple sonnet]

What are thoughts on giving scout a little lockpicking minigame?

I'm thinking a small puzzle where you have to figure out which order to press WASD (the four cardinal directions) in to pick the lock and it makes a noise to alert monsters when you're wrong.

[random pier]

I'm in favor of scout having a lockpicking minigame

[hidden tundra]

im in favor of scout having a lockpicking minigame if we remove brute's ability to kick open locked doors

[simple sonnet]

That's the idea

[hidden tundra]

perfect . . . .

[analog iron]

every time i play this mod it feels like i pick the wrong class each time XD

like i remember having no locked doors as brute the whole round and the very next round i picked maintenance and the fire exit was locked off

[simple sonnet]

Thoughts?

TLDR:

Scout sprints longer and has a much less impactful weight penalty except with two-handed items (in which case it is even heavier). Scout can unlock doors and beacon is tied behind a three-second hold.

Brute has less health, less stamina consumption for kicks, and can't knock down doors. The weight resistance is less potent for one-handed items than two-handed.

[hidden tundra]

yeeee

sounds good man

[random pier]

Beacon pings items for allies?

[simple sonnet]

Researcher's job

[random pier]

What does beacon do again

[simple sonnet]

Beacon draws aggro and provides infinite sprint

[random pier]

Oh ok

[simple sonnet]

Oh

Should I make scout immune to fall damage?

[random pier]

Can youuuuu

[hidden tundra]

ooo

[random pier]

Ok wait how is fall damage currently calculated?

[hidden tundra]

yeah sounds like a cool buff

though, you can just reduce fall damage

[simple sonnet]

Default system

[random pier]

Is there a fall damage graph?

[hidden tundra]

I think preventing fall damage for the scout is a lil op cuz you can just drop down from the top of titan and be fine

[simple sonnet]

True

[hidden tundra]

also scout + jetpack would be broken

don't get me wrong i'd play the shit out of jetpack scout if I could just not take fall damage

but it'd be a bit too good lol

[robust temple]

Just my $0.02 but perhaps some of Researcher's kit should be given to Scout

namely the scanner improvements

[random pier]

If we assume red is default and blue is scout

This is what I'd propose

[untold vault]

Eh, skill checks didn't work well in dead by daylight and they won't work here

[random pier]

Doesn't have to be a skill check

I'd propose a memory game

[hidden tundra]

I don't think stripping a character's kit to give it to someone else is a good idea unless it's like, just a single piece of their kit

[simple sonnet]

Yeah. A memory game is what I explained

[untold vault]

I'm not a fan of any skill-check based minigame

[simple sonnet]

Define skill check

[hidden tundra]

Researcher's whole thing is basically just being the experienced guy that knows a lot about shit, so they'd have an easier time finding scrap, sneaking around monsters, maybe they'd even know how to synthesize medicine out of monster remains (all features they have)

[untold vault]

I still think Brute is too combat focused. I would propose a rework where they only get 50% more HP, no damage bonus, and their ability is replaced with a shout or something that can scare monsters away. I believe no class should encourage / reward combat or fighting in any way.

Brute could also get extra powerful pushes when pushing the cruiser.

[untold vault]

Minigame

[simple sonnet]

Combat is a big part of vanilla LC

The shovel exists exclusively to fight things

[random pier]

Thoughts on the Zap Gun's ghostbusting minigame?

[simple sonnet]

Brute is just the class that's the best at that specific element of the base game

[random pier]

I think what they're saying is he's tooooo focused in on that

[simple sonnet]

"no class should encourage / reward combat or fighting in any way"

[untold vault]

I disagree. It is purposefully the worst option for a reason. It's meant to be a last-resort-only option, not something to be seeked out or encouraged.

[random pier]

Counterpoint

[simple sonnet]

Depends on who you play with

[random pier]

Nutcrackies got em shotgunns

And I wants em

[simple sonnet]

A lot of people intentionally hunt nutcrackers for shotguns

So that they can fight even better

[random pier]

Also if we reward researcher for interaction with corpses then brute has another synergy to fulfill there

[untold vault]

There's a special relationship between the players and the monsters when the players fear going into combat, even when they're equipped with shovels.

That kind of goes away when fighting becomes rewarding.

[simple sonnet]

The goal of this mod is to provide a refreshing experience with new ways to play, more teamwork, and deeper strategy than existed before. After you've sunk your first 50 hours into Lethal Company, it stops being scary, so that's not the largest priority here

[robust temple]

If Researcher's intended flavor is being the experienced one rather than strictly a scientist, then I'm not sure how well the name fits

[simple sonnet]

A researcher gathers data. Researcher's abilities also gather data

That said, everything is still prone to change

Please keep sharing ideas

[hidden tundra]

I mean

for bigger threats sure but like

hoarding bugs and snare fleas sorta need to be killed in order to be dealt w effectively

[simple sonnet]

OH

ONE THING

Brute can currently kick out of a forest giant's grasp

That is a problem

[random pier]

That's pretty strong

[simple sonnet]

I think I'm going to keep it so that he can interrupt the grab animation, but it will cost 75% stamina. As is, he can infinitely loop, regenerating enough to kick out but not enough to get away

So brute can rescue someone or earn a chance to quickly drop things before being eaten

[hidden tundra]

it's not really any more rewarding than in vanilla, it's just a bit easier

this is an argument i'd see for like, researcher, who actually rewards killing things

[simple sonnet]

And only if you take the class that can't run away if things go south

[random pier]

I would go so far as to say that if brute saves himself from a giant grab it should deal like, a buncha damage to em

[hidden tundra]

the problem is more with the idea of brute, which is fine but then in that case you can just disable brute or not choose it

[random pier]

So you can basically just do it once without dying

[hidden tundra]

might be a bit too good, but idk

[random pier]

If brute has 150 HP for example then escaping a grapple should deal like 75-100 damage to the brute

[hidden tundra]

we'll see

[random pier]

As far as a lockpicking minigame goes

I've got 2 ideas

[hidden tundra]

make sure it doesn't overlap with #1178407269994594435' lockpicker upgrade

[robust temple]

What I'm trying to get across is that maybe navigational aids should be the Scout's domain. Scout (imo) is the team's pathfinder, good at finding scrap and threats and relaying them to the team, not so good at hauling it out or dealing with them

[low flicker]

I don't see how that is a problem

oop, wasn't scrolled all the way down just saw the thing about brute kicking out of giants grasp

[robust temple]

I personally envision the team roles like:
Scout - Pointman. Marks goodies for retrieval, maps out the inside, points out threats. First in, last out.
Brute - Security and transport. Hauls stuff back to base and keeps it and the team safe while doing so. Big damn hero.
Researcher - Force multiplier. Keeps the team alive and makes useful supplies out of junk and monster guts. Extends team's operational capacity.
Maintenance - QoL. Makes life less miserable by shutting down static defenses, opening new paths, and providing light. "Ship guy," but in the field.

but again, just my 💲 0.02

[analog iron]

i think i said this before but brute's kick should use a lotta stamina but have the cooldown of a shovel, kinda dumb that i have to wait 5 seconds to kill a lootbug

[robust temple]

What if the Brute couldn't save himself, but could use the kick to save others?

Giant caught your buddy? Just kick it in the shins

[hidden tundra]

im fairly sure it works like that already, since it functions like a stun

[analog iron]

...doesn't bruce have slightly reduced speed or am i crazy

bc if he does, then imagine bruce being like "i gotchu bro, i'll save you from that giant in 2-3 business days" 💀

[random pier]

Lol

Ok lockpick ideas

Now that I'm sat down

Firstly, it shouldn't be fast

You should need to be there for a good bit figuring out these lil mini puzzles in order to not need a key

But a good scout can pick a door faster than an auto-picker

Idea A) you have a set of input options, and there's a secret code of inputs that is generated when you start picking a lock

You have to guess the sequence on the correct order, getting positive feedback when you input a step correctly, and resetting the combo when you input incorrectly

So if the sequence is W W D A then you gotta find that sequence through trial and error

This is the simple way to do it

Option B) you get a lil Skyrim style minigame, A and D to "angle" your lockpick, controls like the cruiser, Click to tap at the lock, you get feedback based on if you're hitting pins and doing well or not

You start picking a lock by holding E on a locked door WITHOUT a key in your hand, tapping E during a pick session will stand you back up

[analog iron]

i rlly like the idea ok skill-based lockpicking actually

im imagining these minigames would take around 10-15ish seconds or so (lockpickers take 30 but u dont have to be present for them to work, i think it's fair)

[simple sonnet]

Already implemented in the current release

[analog iron]

oh fr? mb, havent played the mod in like a week and a half 💀

also: it'd be really nice if there was a GUI that automatically showed up as the lever was pulled that'd allow you to select your role bc half the time i just ended up forgetting to lol

[simple sonnet]

It dropped three days ago, so that makes sense

[simple sonnet]

The selection method will be much better when the project is done. Right now, class mechanics are the main priority

[chrome jay]

l8 to discussion but i still think brute shouldnt do 2x dmg, it should be 1.5x. everything else ive read abt broot and scout further up i like though, really like the lockpick miningame idea. lgu had it but we never used it lol

the kick being able to break keepers grabs is actually kinda clutch

but ive also been saved more by my scout w a rogue homemade flashbang than my own kicks

[unborn cloak]

@simple sonnet where github

[pulsar heath]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-bongo-cat-triggered-tapping-gif-17793967

[simple sonnet]

I forgot to link it here lol

[unborn cloak]

And in ur ts

[simple sonnet]

https://github.com/GNeon1/EmployeeClasses

I am aware that my code is likely trash

[unborn cloak]

busy today and probably tomorrow but I'll come back to show you some cool stuffs later

None of the code particularly looks too fucked persay it's moreso the vibe of you not knowing the better ways to do stuff yet

If this is what your cooking when you don't know stuff I'm excited to see what you get up to when you do 😄

[potent sleet]

i was playing with my friend and they picked brute but no keybind to kick appeared on there screen

[simple sonnet]

@potent sleet It doesn't show up while you're in orbit. You've got to land

If that's not the case, can I get your modlist?

[potent sleet]

it worked

thanks

[jade lagoon]

i'm a pretty big fan of this mod so far, will definitely add it to modpacks i play once it gets in-game descriptions.
some suggestions though for brute and researcher, researcher being able to harvest scrap, brute's kick only stunning enemies and not damaging them and brute not having a damage bonus with weapons

[random pier]

It's possible brute's "damage bonus" just needs to be a faster swing speed

Especially since it would NOT make him better with knives, which are not a strength weapon

[hidden tundra]

ohh that's a cool idea

faster swing speed is really interesting

[random pier]

Just + dmg is like, too swingy

• swing speed we can balance much easier and also players can feel it more

[analog iron]

omg you're so right

fighting giants be like:

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[simple sonnet]

I actually really like that

[analog iron]

having more swing would reward skill more imo

so ye, i agree that it's better than just raw damage

[random pier]

once we get into perk stuff we can probably have a perk called Heavy Hitter which is "Your non-knife attacks deal double damage and knock enemies back, but are slower than average" or something

[analog iron]

ooo i kinda like that actually

skill trees 💀

[short flax]

darktide and lethal company (real not clickbait)

[silk iris]

huh?

[jade lagoon]

small addition to this, harvesting scrap does not destroy it but instead reduces its value by a percentage

[unborn cloak]

@simple sonnet are the string abiity and enum based Ids your way of networking that kinda data or am i misreading

[simple sonnet]

That's the idea with enum based Ids. The ability should probably be an enum tied to a dictionary of string names

[unborn cloak]

naur you can do even better dw

network stuff is one of those things were even like a month ago i was pretty intimidated/hesitent whenever i touched it and then i got into it and it turns out it's actually so easy to manage it's just no one has really easily tutorialised it

also two more vibe based questions while im kinda skimming thru it (will tell you stuff later)

do you have much experience with Properties and Inheritance

[simple sonnet]

As in OO concept-wise?

[unborn cloak]

Inheritance conceptually and actual usage in c#

[simple sonnet]

I do

I've used Java and C++ quite a bit

The current design is more of a prototype. For the sake of building an API at some point (and common sense), I want to restructure everything with proper encapsulation

I haven't worried about it too much (and won't until classes are mechanically done) because any code I write now will still be easily transferred into that model

I am aware that abilities and roles should be class-based instead of throwing everything into RoleManager

[unborn cloak]

haha yeah

hope no offense taking in me asking btw!

[simple sonnet]

None at all 😁

[simple sonnet]

Goodness gracious. Jumping is finally fixed

That should not have been as hard as I made it

[simple sonnet]

I cannot replicate this

[old jay]

putting this on my follow, Currently I have a few mods that cover what I need. The Researching being able to heal is interesting, is it only self or if there are other players you can stim them?

Brute is a good concept as well. I would call it Marine/Solider since we have a Scout.

Either way I'm always a sucker for decent class mods that don't go way too far into "And now you're level 500 and nothing can kill you" and instead "You have this one unique thing, and adjusted stats to match"

[simple sonnet]

Researcher can stim self and other players

[old jay]

I might have missed it, do you have a roadmap? or just playing it by ear?

[simple sonnet]

I do have a roadmap

I'll post a summary here later

[old jay]

No rush, just curious on the overall goal for the classes, if there is going to be more classes. And skills or sub-classes (different stats and/or skill)

Like a Scout that has a subclass (or alternate skill) where they can store x amount of flares or glowsticks that they can place to mark a path

[chrome jay]

instantly was able to, and ik why you werent lol.
[21:39:02.6825302] [Fatal :DBJ.UncaughtExceptionCatcher] An uncaught exception has been caught from a mod's patcher! Details below: [21:39:02.6830305] [Error :DBJ.UncaughtExceptionCatcher] System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Cloudy' was not present in the dictionary. at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E at EmployeeClasses.Roles.RoleManager.UpdateIt () [0x001c3] in <ca9501df22574699b56135fece336226>:IL_01C3 at EmployeeClasses.Patches.StartOfRoundPatch.UpdatePatch () [0x00012] in <ca9501df22574699b56135fece336226>:IL_0012 at StartOfRound.Update () [0x00272] in <d0d093e9162748b6a00ca8938a14b439>:IL_0272
its trying to add mod weather and getting buttmad

[simple sonnet]

Ohhhh

Modded weather breaks it?

[hidden tundra]

maybe it's an issue with weather registry?

[chrome jay]

lethalElements solar flare and heatwave both make it mad. cloudy as well

[simple sonnet]

I'll look at making compatibility for that

[true cave]

im unsure of how far along this mod is but if you ever need a 3D modeller, i'd be willing

[random pier]

oh cool yeah we do kinda

I offered to do some modeling for the project but I've been a lil swamped

[chrome jay]

id also like to toss my hat in for anything that needs modeled, would love to help w this

[true cave]

i made this guy a little while ago

[random pier]

who's that

[true cave]

he's the goon and he's fucked up

i wanna make a mod where you can take out a loan if you can't pay quota, and the longer you're in debt, the more the goon follows you with his funny tommygun

[random pier]

that's a funny idea

[chrome jay]

ive never modeled anything LC adjacent, barring some foliage, but ig ill toss this here too. made it for a risk of rain 2 thing that died in the cradle

[old jay]

I like the idea of the wrist gun, as a backup for the grenade launcher

[chrome jay]

iirc i saw some gundam that had a similar arm launcher and i kinda pilfered that general idea

been a hot minute since i worked on it, it was coming off my apex streak hence the back thrusters lmfao

[random pier]

Instantly recognized this was meant to be a RoR thing before even reading your message 👍

[rapid kindle]

Awesome idea

[hidden tundra]

oh dang didn't know you modelled

[chrome jay]

lol thanks, i have like 1.5k hours in risky 2 alone so i had hoped i could nail the general artstyle.

[chrome jay]

yea off and on for years, not a whole lot. generally like doing landscapes cause theyre nice

[random pier]

I don't have that many in-game hours but I'm probably one of the community's biggest lore-heads and I kinda wanna put some of the RoR maps into LC

[chrome jay]

having a proper petrichor moon would be so fire.............. id love to do it but itd be such an undertaking

i saw someone made a risky items mod and its not scratching that itch

[jade lagoon]

commencement

which reaches you first, the ship or the lunar chimera

[random pier]

Commencement being the Moon is such an obvious, easy choice, but it does make the outdoor monster population a little sparse to say the least

Like at best, I think you could reskin some classic lethal company outdoor monsters to have a Chimera appearance to them

HOWEVER, IF YOU LAND ON THE PLANET ITSELF, THEN YOU CAN REPLACE THE GOLIATH WORM WITH A MAGMA WORM WHICH WOULD BE SICK AS HELL

[old jay]

Hey curious not sure if it's your mod 100%, about 95% sure. But I think how you're saving data to the save if you do. Is making save files thing they are for V60. So when I load the game up if gives me a warning of my saves bein V60 and it could cause issues

More I less I wanted to try the mod again, after adding, making a save, alt-f4ing (as I got, got during a test) reloading the game got me the warning. Removed the save, removed the mod, made a new save, exited, reloaded and didn't get the warning. Just figured you might find this interesting

[low flicker]

are you quitting the game properly or are you closing the console window?

[old jay]

alt-f4, when the mod was installed. So no, not closing properly

[chrome jay]

i think its cause they alt-f4'd. dont think its from this mod specifically

[low flicker]

if you close the game improperly you get that warning for the save file

[old jay]

when I removed, made a new save, I did exit properly there so. Maybe invalid test

[old jay]

Interesting I never had this happen for the last week

I'll try re-adding the mod, and exiting properly

Interesting, yeah if I don't alt-f4 with the mod and just hit Exit, I don't get the v60 popup

[simple sonnet]

The mod doesn't affect save files in any way as of now

[old jay]

ah then I guess the save issue just started to affect me with the alt-f4ing then lol

also Does researchers stim heal brutes up to 200 hp?

[simple sonnet]

It does

[rare tinsel]

rn is it still where u can change ur class where ever u are?

[wooden plover]

Idea: apparatus integration into engi/researcher mechanics. Engi recharges battery close to the apparatus, researcher can scan it in the machine for some use? Maybe a flat credit reward once per day?

It's the most complex scrap in the game, you only get one per facility

[simple sonnet]

Only for host

[random pier]

was planned to be an Engi specific thing

[rare tinsel]

oh ok, do the clients are able to only change it in the ship

[simple sonnet]

Plans are for Maintenance to carry the apparatus in a special slot for buffs

[simple sonnet]

Only while in orbit

[wooden plover]

Ooo

[simple sonnet]

I'll add a config option for "Debug Mode" soon

[rare tinsel]

oh bet

[old jay]

Hmm I changed my hotkey for skills to 'r' but my brother iesn't getting healled from my stims

stims work on myself tho

or is the healing done, but it's not updated on their client?

[simple sonnet]

When you look at him, it should change the prompt to say "STIM ALLY"

And then when you press it, it should work

Is that what you've been doing?

[old jay]

Yes

And the stim charge is used. And I know i'm not stimming myself as my HP didn't go up or get the screen effect

but my brother nor my nephew got healed

thankfully I was host and was able to change class, but Researcher (for us) doesn't seem to be able to heal others

so Yeah, the promt changes, but nothing happens other than consuming the stim

else
{
    bool isHost = NetworkManager.Singleton.IsHost;
    if (isHost)
    {
        this.TriggerStimClientRpc(num);
    }
    else
    {
        this.TriggerStimServerRpc(num);
    }
}

Shouldn't this be flipped? If the current person is host, trigger a serverRPC so that the host and clients know who's getting healled, and then stim?

I guess I should add, I was Host

[unborn cloak]

it's weird code but no

clients can't run serverrpc's but they can invoke them for the server to run them

calling a clientrpc calls it on every client

(if server)
tellclientaboutit
if (client)
tellserveraboutit

[old jay]

hmm looking at the RPCs the Server RPC triggers the clientRPC, and then the ClientRPC checks if the RoleManager.Instance.playerID == id if yes trigger selfstim

figured I'd try to help but I guess I do'nt know RPCs well enough

worse case I'm the only one having this issue lol, and/or I have some mod that's somehow interfering with healing others but not myself

[rapid kindle]

well finally found the time to find the conflict that broke the mod on my pack

you arent gonne believe me

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Treyotech/Treys_Health_Text/

[simple sonnet]

I'll add researcher stims to the testing list

[simple sonnet]

The decompiler made that weird

[rapid kindle]

so that bug might be related to hp?

[simple sonnet]

It is likely not

But I'll look at how I can make it compatible

[rapid kindle]

I should mention the error is causing the green smoke of death XD

[old jay]

I had different conflicts with that, and I just tried an0nymooose-An0n_Patches it has hp and stamina numbers. But I know Treys really messed up the hud, even the progress bar when holding activate.

[rapid kindle]

use lethal company patched instead of an0n patches

its a more updated and less buggy fork

[old jay]

cool will do, LC I've found has been a mess for the thunderstore, and I'm not really sure for some what's the up to date since there's so many forks/reuploads. And suit "mods"

[rapid kindle]

yeah lol

only knew it existed because I searched for an alt to an0n

[old jay]

Just checking in to make sure you're doing alright. If you're taking a break or working slow that's ok. Just popping in to say so far my group is liking the mod, even if the researcher isn't able to heal others (atm) the self heal and scan range is still helpful (also with my mod spawning more mobs, cleaning up corpses is nice, even tho my mod will cleanup bodies afterawhile).

I'd also like to report a possible bug? I think footstep sounds are too muted even for classes that should be louder, so Eyeless Dogs don't aggro as expected (and can almost sprint right past them in touching range)

[zinc mirage]

oh this is sick

[simple sonnet]

I actually have a build ready to go, just haven't had an opportunity to playtest it yet

All the bugfixes

My bottleneck is organizing people

[old jay]

If you like I can help playtest that. As I can always revert to what's on TSIO

[simple sonnet]

I might take you up on that

[old jay]

I have time right now, I'm just slowly refactoring my Mob Spawn mod

going to make it read current settings, load all the current known mobs, see what ones match the settings, then redump the settings with any new mobs. And have each record manage their own spawn timers instead of just a global inside/outside

Or if my brother and nephew are on in the next 30 mins I can just load it into our modpack and give it a whirl

[old jay]

still looking for testers? or still polishing up some changes?

[simple sonnet]

Just busy lol

Midterms coming up

[old jay]

Oh, just wondering, were you able to also look into player footsteps being not audible to enemies? I know researcher is supposed to be 50% quieter, but I seems overall (or for all classes) it's 100% silence steps

tis fine if not, just makes eyeless dogs ez right now, hope the studying for MidTerms is going alright

[rancid galleon]

Could it be possible to add a config to adjust the position of the HUD elements?

Also, for some reason the Researcher class isn't able to cure others, just themselves

[simple sonnet]

Something recently broke my RPC calls

The networking is all screwed up atm

I'm looking into it

[rancid galleon]

I've been testing the mod with +6 people, so I'll try to report anything I can 😅

It's been a lot of fun to use it

[simple sonnet]

Other known issues which are suddenly brand new:

• Beacon doesn't work for other players (effect on monsters is unknown)
• Maintenance headlamp is only visible for the user
• Researcher can't heal people
• Any ability with audio only plays for the user

No idea where they came from

Those things worked before

[rancid galleon]

I've experienced those already

[simple sonnet]

Yeah

[rancid galleon]

Afaik, the beacon kinda works, but its visual and sound effects only play "locally"

[simple sonnet]

They've been happening for a while

I just didn't realize it till now

I think its related to v60

but I'll fix it

[old jay]

Also Dogs can't really hearfootsteps of any class

[simple sonnet]

That's actually a related issue

[simple sonnet]

Testing tonight and then ready for release

[hidden tundra]

SICK

[pulsar heath]

Sup

[old jay]

Hows the testing going? Also how'd Mid Terms go? I'm assuming you finished studying for and crushed it?

[hidden tundra]

if you need people to test I'm always available jade

[simple sonnet]

I'm actually putting together the Thunderstore upload right now

[simple sonnet]

Indeed. I somehow managed to score above 100 on an exam with zero extra credit questions

I have broken the system
https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-reloaded-matrix-reloaded-neo-keanu-reeves-gif-4011236

Version 0.1.3 is now available on thunderstore 🥳

I forgot to mention networking fixes in the log, but that's fine

[old jay]

I'll let you know how it goes, not sure if my fam will be on, but getting the pack ready

if the networking was the issue for stims not working, then I think we'll have a good time, as that was one of the things that made us sad (mainly me, but my nephew likes playing as brute)

[hidden tundra]

my goat my goat!!!

[reef pike]

How Is It going with the models?

[simple sonnet]

No models yet

I might make them myself (or at least placeholders)

[reef pike]

Ok nice i'm so hyped

[chrome jay]

id love to make a maint model for how much ive played it but i also want to see what you end up with

[old jay]

Models? I just have missed that roadmap

[simple sonnet]

I never sent it lol

Forgot

[rancid galleon]

It would be cool if they worked like #1286096001391661096's model, supporting mods like MoreSuits

afaik that mod does support it

[opal jackal]

ah there u r

The big question:

How does this work alongside lgu?

[hidden tundra]

whenever Tilted's freed up we can get to it

Whoever is making the model, I'd like to get in contact with them to make detailed sheets for them!

[old jay]

tried this out last night, my group is quite happy with the mod now. I mean we liked it before just sucked couldn't heal others (now fixed, awesome) and I see our maintenance guy's light (and hear him hacking things)
So I'd say, great success

[simple sonnet]

Short answer: it doesn't

They break eachother in a myriad of unique ways

Some of the upgrades would still work just fine though

[opal jackal]

damn

[simple sonnet]

But not anything involving stamina, movement speed, or carry weight

[opal jackal]

yeah I'd think stats should be fine as long as its not setting them

[simple sonnet]

Lethal Company's stats aren't variable

Mods that change those make their own stat records and apply it to the player

Hopefully the perks system will provide some fun progression

[random pier]

Wondering if it could be cool if perks are unlocked with specific scrap

Obviously it's easier to integrate just some kind of regular credit system

Easier to balance

But I'm just brainstorming about some methods that might integrate into the gameplay loop a little bit more thematically

[chrome jay]

could just use apparatuses

[random pier]

That works if every moon has equal apparatus spawn chances

[chrome jay]

mmm farming march for perks

[random pier]

Or experimentation lol

[chrome jay]

ok but actually tho,

as a certified experimentation enjoyer thats not a real downside like march is

another alternative is to dole out perks per quota/amount sold

[hidden tundra]

thats something lgu does, which is cool

i'd be down for that

[hidden tundra]

could always use the statistically rarest items in the game as a way to get those perks

and instead of getting credits for quota you invest them somewhere else, getting a perk in exchange

Biodiversity's gonna implement something like this for items at some point, which Im super excited about ;P

[random pier]

Myeah true and fair I suppose

[old jay]

oh a perk tree going to be added? What's the plan for it? Just invest points for bonuses in general? or an actual tree like for Brute

• Tank more hp, less stamina drain, a bit more slower, will draw aggro from already angry mobs (so if they already have a target as a player, and a tank is closer it'll change to focus the tank)
• Fighter another point of damage, and when attacking (connecting hit) or being attacked, will get a movement speed boost, and stam reduction (so only works while in combat)

sort of deal?

[hidden tundra]

not necessarily a perk tree, atleast from what we talked about w jade

just kind of an upgrades menu unique to each class so there's progression

[old jay]

so general point investment? or you just upgrade the class, and it will increase it's own benfits per level?

generl point investment being "more stam, more hp, more regen, weight reduction, etc"

[chrome jay]

vermintide 2 perk system........... imagine

[old jay]

yeah that's like the Killing Floor 2, altho V2 gives you 3 options per tier instead of 2 (KF2)

that'd be fine as well

[hidden tundra]

not really fledged out but if you ever played rivals of aether it's kinda like that

were you have a menu full of little upgrades that all take up a certain amount of slots

and you have like, lets say 5 upgrade slots total

basic upgrades take up 1 slot, mid ones 2, insane ones 3, shit like that

that's the basic idea we talked about, or that I most liked

they'd either be stat boosts or extra abilities

but it's all up to jade in the end, and what gets in and what doesn't is his decision!

[old jay]

I'd probably like 3 abilities (depending on class) but you can only pick 1 (or 2 with a upgrade)

idk if the researcher would have any more abilities. Since they have Heal self/other, harvest (context and state dependant) and make stim

but I could see Brute having Kick, or taunt/intimidate(not sure since they already have a passive hawk spook)

scout not sure, mark monsters for a seethrough walls glow? maybe can place timed beacons for late night traversal

sort of a glowstick/flare on a pole (honestly can see that as an item to be honest, might just add that in my list of to make things)

not sure Researcher and Maintenance seem to already have multi-use abilities already (context sensitive) unless Maintenance gets a "recharge item at the cost of their own solar battery" or recharge at breaker box (if apperatus is still attached)

unless researcher can get a revive dead player at the cost of 3 stims

[hidden tundra]

yeah I think all perks we threw around were sort of all just for the other classes and stuff like that

[hidden tundra]

they have a kick already, yea

[old jay]

yeah was just saying kick could be a swappable skill/ability

are you more aggressive ro defenseive. Altho I guess taunt defeats the purpose of scout

🤔

not that anyone in my group uses scout tho, maybe if we had more people, 3 atm seems to be Brute, Maintenance, Researcher

[hidden tundra]

I think that system works if we give players that option by default or we just don't give brute the kick by default ans lock it behind a perk

because otherwise you don't achieve much of a progression by swapping out the tools you already for, not better ones, but rather alternatives to them

they'd have to be pretty cheap honestly

[old jay]

yeah slinging ideas, maybe already brought up and shot down. Pretty late to the Classes party

[random pier]

We drafted up a good handful of ideas

[old jay]

sort of thinking Risk of Rain 2, sometimes an alternate skill/ability isn't that great, sometimes just a playstyle adjustment

[random pier]

The main idea was most perks boost things the class should be good at

[chrome jay]

risky mentioned

[hidden tundra]

oh you good that wasn't ever suggested

[random pier]

Then a couple perks add more stuff

[old jay]

was the aforementioned models, like player model replacements? Or maybe just some bone scalings lol

or like props for abilities?

Brute with the mighty duke leg that pops out lol

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-boot-duke-nukem-kick-gif-21926506

[hidden tundra]

it sounds a lot more interesting the more I think about it though

[random pier]

Probably some subtle bone scalings and then some cosmetic additions

[hidden tundra]

mhm

I have the designs on hand if you wanna see em

[old jay]

sure if you don't think it'd spoil anything, or give other unrealistic expectations

[hidden tundra]

though they'll probably have to change to accommodate the method we're gonna go with

[old jay]

as someone that does 3d I'm always down to see concept or WIP

[random pier]

What's the new method?

[old jay]

I know my brother uses morecompany cosmectics for the maintence role lol

and I have suits too I made to match

Brute my Nephew likes to take the military looking ones

and I have a medic one for researcher

[hidden tundra]

the one you said lol

[random pier]

As in, doing it like more company cosmetics?

[hidden tundra]

some of the stuff in my designs won't work without removing stuff from the base model

[hidden tundra]

yeah

[random pier]

Gotcha gotcha

[hidden tundra]

because I remove some stuff from the normal employee model, like the straps forming an X

and the filters on the front that are missing on researcher's

[old jay]

🤔 I know a fellow modder for Valheim, think he's taking a break?? but his mod/library Blacksmith's tools has the ability to chop/hide bits of the base model (to avoid clipping with armors)

I can check to see what license he has on it if reviewing the source code for making the model readable and hiding bits

ok yeah it's MIT https://github.com/GoldenJude/BlacksmithTools

altho I'm not sure if that allows for "using bits of" but maybe it's fine to review how it's done?

I know he's been super helpful in the Valheim community before he left and I learned a bunch from him

but maybe this might help? then it should still be compatable to a degree with More suits, and Morecompany (cosmetics) as you can just hide vanilla parts, and then add over your new stuff?

unless there's already libs out there for LC that do that

[hidden tundra]

oh that's super interesting

[hidden tundra]

it's done this way moreso to be compatible with model replacements (specifically femmployee since Tilted worked on that)

[random pier]

:D

[hidden tundra]

like, it's gonna be cosmetic-like so it's compatible with model replacements

[random pier]

It probably still won't be very compatible with femmployee ngl

but

I can just make the class model assets outfit pieces for femmployee

[old jay]

yeah back when we litterly had no one that understood how Unity, and SkinnedMeshRenderers worked, and he paved the way. 1st we just had code that would reorder bone indexes before going Model.Bones = Player.Bones.

Then GJ made blacksmiths tools

Then GJ went further and taught us how to reorder bones in unity before export, so blender doesn't goof it up

[simple sonnet]

Next Update (v0.1.4):

Scout upgrade:

• Lockpicking
• Only a minor penalty for carrying one-handed items
• Drastic penalty for carrying two-handed items
• Slower movement speed (than current)
• Increase sprint duration
• Less health penalty

Brute balancing:

• Less weight resistance for one-handed items
• Drastically higher weight resistance for two-handed items

Upcoming:
Maintenance:

• Apparatus interaction
• Hack old birds

[chrome jay]

whats the deets on this appy maintenance thing? is it just a bonus for holding it?

[simple sonnet]

Undetermined

I have a few ideas

All I know now is that he'll wear it on his back and get some special benefits/abilities from it

[old jay]

can put it back to bring radation down and calm old birds, and bring the lights back on 😛

[chrome jay]

this is what i figured. will the weight stay?

[simple sonnet]

It will

Maybe slightly diminished

[chrome jay]

interesting...........................

nice edit on the ob hack btw

[random pier]

his short stature makes him better at carrying it

[chrome jay]

interesting idea

[simple sonnet]

I imagine carrying it in a harness is easier than hands

[old jay]

I think less weight if worn on back would sort of make sense. I know it technically doesn't make things lighter, but doing so is less burdensom

but then we're blurring the lines of "total weight" and what is "weight that isn't secured right"

[chrome jay]

maint already kinda gets bulldozed by masked if trying to kite them w a shovel+bag, appy would be worse unless it has a p sizeable bonus

[old jay]

I agree, I guess it depends on how people really want weight values to be represented lol

I'm for suspension of disbelief and game logic that it becomes "lighter"

[random pier]

his cybernetic legs are boosted by the battery's charge

[old jay]

also I think my bro would like to be able to carry an appy around to recharge his battery

[chrome jay]

if you halve it itd be roughly shovel weight

[simple sonnet]

My current thoughts/goals for it (synergy-wise):

Make it a sometimes thing that is most beneficial in certain scenarios. It will have to be potent because of apparatus value (risk of being lost) and the pain of the weight. I can't make it not potent or no one will use it, but then it'll either be watered down (and never used) or OP (and always used). It needs a specific use case it does best in.

Just brainstorming, but I do have a few ideas

[random pier]

one of the simplest answers, while Apped Up, all battery items in their inventory will passively charge over time

[chrome jay]

or charge in an aoe

also apped up is a good term

maybe a hacking speed buff/cd buff?

[old jay]

some ideas I can give for it (to be chewed on)

• Allows solar battery recharge to always be active
• if future ability to recharge items (if you decide to take this idea) then allows longer outings to refresh items
• Passive back light (since it's an appy)
• con, always making sounds (draws hoarding bugs, and you can't sneak from eyeless dogs)
• con, reduces stam regen and/or speed (slightly)
• con, recuced jump power?

[simple sonnet]

• Passive tech charge with Maintenance battery included (infinite recharge, but not infinite capacity)
• Portable charging station for other players (AoE)
• Brighter headlamp
• Discharge full Maintenance battery to stun monsters/toggle all nearby doors and turrets (and wait for it to recharge)
• Discharge full Maintenance battery to speed/stamina boost nearby players momentarily
• Spend Maintenance battery to sprint when out of stamina
• Choice to use it as a bomb

[chrome jay]

bomb

thats all i read

lets fucking go

[simple sonnet]

Like a constant constant humming sound lol

[chrome jay]

scrape appies w the casino, use them to take out keepers with extra spite and malice

[old jay]

cool some ideas already cross pollinate

[simple sonnet]

Indeed

[random pier]

I think all 3 cons are unecessary tbh

the constant noise is, mostly just an annoying thing to have on a feature that's meant to make you a better support

[chrome jay]

as a maint main all of this is so appealing. love the idea of the stun for battery

[random pier]

reduced stamina is already covered by the added weight

and reduced jump power is just mean

[old jay]

that's fine just tossing them out there. As to make it less OP but also encourge folks not ot leave them alone as they're being more a of support

scout can bring a ladder to help

[random pier]

I think you encourage people to want to be near mechanic, rather than doesn't want to leave alone y'know what I mean?

[old jay]

I mean, y'all'll figure it out

lol

[simple sonnet]

All or none of everything either of us just said might not be used

Just ideas

[chrome jay]

im just along for the ride lol

[old jay]

more options means better planning on the design board, even if "bad" suggestions

just means you cross them out

there's only so much one person can brainstorm for pros/cons for balancing

and then you have to take into consideration. Does it transform the class, by simplying having it or leaving it on the ship

[simple sonnet]

I know for sure I'm going with the passive solar battery charge and brighter headlamp

I'm also fond of charging other players' items and the shock blast

[old jay]

I acutally have some code already for a private mod for the AOE recharge if you want that

[random pier]

this would be a weird idea but like