Luna's Moons

[slow shoal]

Whats the reason?

[orchid escarp]

Because someone might just want one moon out of the whole pack

[slow shoal]

I do both though

Since its batby saying its not the best way to do it, its probably for some optimization reason

[orchid escarp]

We'll see eventually

[tired crown]

@tawdry citrus So uhhh

Boreal is bugged lmao

I was floating on air

@primal minnow Seems it happens only with Blizzard, have fun figuring this out

XD

I'm guessing something is registering as water there so it becomes solid

idk

[tawdry citrus]

Yup, not caused by me as far as I know

Cux it only happens on weathers with snow

It happens on all of my moons for some reason

[tired crown]

Then that means there's a layer on all of them that probably gets detacted as water or smth

they do share assets after all

[tawdry citrus]

Potentially

[tired crown]

Btw do Giants still get stuck trying to get to the ship on Boreal? Idk if they do or not lol

[tawdry citrus]

Don't know

[tired crown]

Yeah I wasn't sure if they do, I remembered it happening in the past

XD

[tawdry citrus]

Wasn't aware that was a bug

[tired crown]

Ye might be worth looking into, I remember it happening a while ago so it may have been fixed already

DID makes things hard to remember

lol

[tawdry citrus]

Mood

I didn't change much cuz it didn't need much

I don't get why it was taken out of the pack either

[dapper plover]

yes, why else would I mention it

[tawdry citrus]

No need to be rude

[pastel lynx]

testing rn

[tired crown]

ty

[pastel lynx]

I don't see giants stuck on/near ship

on Boreal

[pastel lynx]

The only thing I've seen is that.
When you get to the ship, the giant will stop follow you, it will stay in the spot for 1 second and then leave

[pastel lynx]

But they do tend to get stuck on the concrete bridge on Incalescence

[tawdry citrus]

Interesting

[pastel lynx]

I forced the spawn of a giant and I can't find it, I'll be checking on Imperium where is it

ok, no spawn issues atm

This is the concrete bridge issue

This also happens on the ship but It's not that big of an issue

[primal minnow]

my bad, this bug was since the release of beta but didn't show itself because no other moon had that many water surfaces and i was separating meshes not fully correct :p

[tired crown]

Ooh, so you got a fix coming? :3

@tawdry citrus So uhhh Tenebrous still seems to be a bit bugged

Bruce is under the ground here next to the ship

[primal minnow]

ye i fixed it but will publish a bit later

[tired crown]

This old bird got stuck

Enemies also can't get onto the ship for me still

using Wider Ship + 2 story ship if it helps

[tawdry citrus]

Guh

[tawdry citrus]

there was still nav stuff under the ship prob causing issues

[tawdry citrus]

incalescense needed navmesh rebake

[tired crown]

Oh you figured it out? :3

[tawdry citrus]

maybe

i still dont know the actual source of the problem

but thats my best guess

[tired crown]

@deep sierra I guess if you want maybe you can check Tenebrous and see what's going on? To confirm if Lunar is correct or if maybe there's a read/write issue going on

[deep sierra]

2ss offmesh links too high/too low for this moon

[deep sierra]

in a couple of hours if I don't fall asleep

[tired crown]

Ah so for Incalescence we wait on Mel's update then basically

[deep sierra]

Yeah but idk whats wrong with concrete bridge

[tired crown]

That might be something Lunar needs to fix

Pretty sure she's gonna go over the moons again and fix issues they have and then convert them to terramesh

Am I right on that? @tawdry citrus :3

[tawdry citrus]

mhm

im doing both rn

[tired crown]

@snow kindle Btw maybe you can help with the dropship music fix when you get a chance

[tawdry citrus]

i'm hoping the precipice lag will be fixed too

i changed settings on the lights to make them less laggy

[tired crown]

Ye if it was the lights it should be fixed

[tawdry citrus]

terramesh

omg

it made my moons finally look like they're finished

incalescense looks so much better especially

[tired crown]

Ye

Terramesh is amazing

[tawdry citrus]

some stuff should be fixed

and i got things meshed

soooo

gonna publish an update

and then play the game with my gf to relax and half test stuff

[tired crown]

Noice ^^

Any size reductions to the moons?

:3

[tawdry citrus]

uh

nop

there was a slight increase by like 10 mb

[tired crown]

That's normal since you terrameshed them lol, I just wondered if you found anything that could use optimization

[tawdry citrus]

planning on doing that another time

[tired crown]

Fair

^^

Dunno if I'll play tomorrow since I have plans to play Zort so if I don't I'll check out the update on Thursday

[tawdry citrus]

alr :3

[tired crown]

[tired crown]

Lmk when you upload the update btw

[tawdry citrus]

i will

decided to play the game a bit with gf first

incase there were issues caused by the update

[tired crown]

Very fair lol

[tawdry citrus]

doesnt seem to lag on precipice

[tired crown]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[tawdry citrus]

its updated

[tired crown]

🙂

[tawdry citrus]

What's that mean

[near seal]

you got some meshes somewhere not set to read/write true

[tired crown]

Yeah it's pretty easy to fix

[tawdry citrus]

Ah, nice

I'll do that tomorrow probably

Sleeping soon

[tired crown]

Yeah you just need tomake sure your navmesh is set to be read/write

on your moons

Fumo can probably tell you the quick way to do it he helped @frozen acorn out with it on Vulcan-9

[ashen vessel]

Im so excited for vulcan to be optimized, itll prob never leave my pack after that

[tired crown]

Yeah me too, it became quite a bit laggier once the navmesh started properly working for whatever reason I wonder if it has GPU Instancing set up or not

Actually I imagine a lot of that is the particles plus enemy pathing, cus the particles need fixed

and enemy pathing as we know is pretty expensive

which is why Zaggy is working on optimizing it

[ashen vessel]

unrelated but im making a yt series to showcase all the LLL moons, just did Generic and Starlancer, who you thing I should do next(Im waiting on wesley and bozoros's next updates for them)

itll be a good resource for peep who just wanna more extensive peak at moons they may want for their pack

[tired crown]

Probably Rosie's even though a couple of them have bugs, I hope she feels better soon to update her stuff

[ashen vessel]

Nice, also yeah hope she feels better

[tawdry citrus]

how do i fix that?

[tawdry citrus]

figured it out

i think i have a fix for it

[tired crown]

Yay

[tawdry citrus]

i wonder if that was the cause for other issues

the problem causing mesh was the one that is used for 90% of the ground

[primal minnow]

from terra mesh?

[tawdry citrus]

nooo

talking about tenebrous

the one moon that has no terrain

[primal minnow]

oh ok

[tawdry citrus]

Hoping that something is fixed on tenebrous

publishing an update

i made a small change to the layout on tenebrous too

[azure mirage]

all the homies love ocean moons with giant industrial complexes on them

[tawdry citrus]

i really wanna make a new moon, i wish tenebrous didnt have so many problems

that i dont know how to fix

[azure mirage]

would you like ideas?

[primal minnow]

btw if you want to fix weird looking rocks, that warp when you walk past by, you need to set "Displacement Mode" on the material to None

[tawdry citrus]

thank youuu

uploading a fix for the textures

[tired crown]

Most of it should be fixed now since you fixed the read/write problems

the navmesh was just dying cus that was disbaled

[tawdry citrus]

i hope

[green mica]

Hey (sry for the timing) Idk if this is a lunar lights, Imperium or LethalElements problem, but it seems blizzard just breaks the game on Incalescence and Boreal

Nvm it just takes a really long time

[tawdry citrus]

for me i've had issues with the blizard

crashed my game until i turned off the particle collisions

[green mica]

Im as tall as the ship door rn, something definitely aint right

[tawdry citrus]

its probably an issue with my moons cuz it doesnt do it on others, but i dont know how to fix it

[primal minnow]

There's currently an incompatibility with these moons, it's gonna be fixed from my side. Right now the only fix is to disable water freezing

[tawdry citrus]

@primal minnow while you're here

[green mica]

Yeah I just found it

[tawdry citrus]

i would like to know if the blizard crashing the game on some of my moons is a me issue or not

[primal minnow]

Was it after you terra meshed or before?

[tawdry citrus]

i dont remember

[primal minnow]

And did it actually crash or it looked like it froze

[tawdry citrus]

"Snow masks texture is null, cannot calculate snow thickness" like iggoreum said, and it doesnt actually crash

it just freezes completely

[primal minnow]

This is normal if it's only once

[green mica]

Happened to me just like that, but it's not actually crashing, it's just loading a lot

[tawdry citrus]

im gonna see if i can replicate the issue rq

[green mica]

I think I see the culprit

[primal minnow]

If it was before terra mesh it can take some time, especially on big moons with multiple water objects or terrains

[primal minnow]

Yeah it's completely broken and also causes a delay with level loading on these moons

I have a fix but can't push until the weekend D:

[green mica]

Is the player size change related?

[primal minnow]

No

[green mica]

Rn im as tall as the ship door

[primal minnow]

No I don't mess with anything like that

But if you're standing on something invisible (not that your size changed) then ye it's that bug

[green mica]

Oh just saw it, yeah size isnt changed nvm

[primal minnow]

Also this will not improve loading times, it only applies afterwards

[tawdry citrus]

never found if the issue is still a thing

cuz i couldnt get blizzard to show up on the moons it was causing problems on

[tawdry citrus]

I should get around to making an interior whenever I finish bug fixing and making another moon

[azure mirage]

since PowerFull is making a facility interior redesign, what about a mansion interior redesign?

[tawdry citrus]

No

[pastel lynx]

powerfull has never confirmed that :,]
He wants to try it, but he has not even started

[heady falcon]

is this supposed to be a thing? im just testing this mod since i was a fan of verdance standalone and i love the rework of it that you did. this is on boreal at main

also is it supposed to be this bright outside on boreal? its kinda hard to see and i just want to make sure another mod isnt causing this

either way, very nice texturing on the outside of the moon, a lot of moons i've tested are super barebones and it just ends up looking somewhat unnatural

im definitely considering adding this to my modpack

[tawdry citrus]

is what supposed to be a thing?

[tawdry citrus]

i dont think so

something doesnt look right

[heady falcon]

the giant pathing through the beltroom doorway at main

[tawdry citrus]

ohhh

i never considered that'd happen

so

i didnt make that impossible

i can probably make an update that fixes that

[heady falcon]

i'd imagine the same can happen for old birds, dogs, and earth leviathans but i haven't played it enough to test that.
masks seem to be able to path through correctly though so thats good

[tawdry citrus]

all i'd have to do is have a volume that tags the doorway as a small door i believe

i was planning on doing a small update some time tonight

i can squeeze that fix in

[heady falcon]

im gonna keep playtesting and see what i can find but i gotta say the way the moons look is really nice and vanilla-esque

[tawdry citrus]

thank you :3

the intention was to make moons that are just a bit better than vanilla

while generally keeping vanilla feel

[pastel lynx]

I love these moons :]

[tawdry citrus]

me too

that why i'm still workin on them

[pastel lynx]

and that's why I keep using it, always reporting something if I find an issue

[tawdry citrus]

gonna load up the game rn and check to see if that is how it actually looks in game

[heady falcon]

it might be an inadvertent effect of one of chameleon's cfg options.

but not sure, i wouldn't think it would do that to another moon

im gonna load up a pack with just your mod to see the differences from what i've already tested so far

[tawdry citrus]

i can adjust visuals a bit

if it has issues

[heady falcon]

not sure what causes this

these are the only mods i have installed rn

[green mica]

Could be Imperium forcing the changes

[heady falcon]

wym?

also this is a screenshot with the modlist i just posted so it definitely seems like the lighting is just a tad too high. i've noticed these moons use a different star, does that affect things somehow?

[green mica]

Things like the Immediate Takeoff, changing the weather, teleporting, can mess up how the game changes scenes and sprites

[green mica]

Do you have night vision on?

Try switching the weather to Clear

[green mica]

Besides the weather, im out of ideas

[tawdry citrus]

nah, lighting just looks dif in game than in unity

so it doesnt look quite right

im changing lighting rn

[heady falcon]

globally or for boreal only?
verdance looks great texture-wise but its a tad dark imo

and i made sure my gamma was balanced/normal

giant was pathing through here on boreal, just a heads up. not sure if intentional or not

[tawdry citrus]

boreal only, verdance is meant to be a bit dark

[tawdry citrus]

thankss

will get that too

[heady falcon]

also i bought a cruiser to see if the custom trees were destructible and it clipped through the ground

[tawdry citrus]

how did that happen?

can you try to replicate that?

[heady falcon]

it doesnt seem to be an issue with your mod lol
i just landed at company building to try it again and it legit didnt spawn in correctly

wtf lmao

no console errors either, absurd

[tawdry citrus]

ah

[heady falcon]

when i tp to cruiser at company building im falling into the void infinitely lol

[tawdry citrus]

damn

[deep sierra]

imperium issue

[deep sierra]

wrong reply, this one

[heady falcon]

so if i buy a cruiser on boreal without imerium enabled it should place it correctly?

bc it looks like its just placing it too low and then its clipping through the outdoor map bounds

[tawdry citrus]

it should work

gonna publish update soon

adding content tags, updating boreal's lighting, and fixing navmesh issues on boreal

[pastel lynx]

yay

[heady falcon]

awesome stuff

just checked out tenebrous btw, super cool moon

[tawdry citrus]

it is cool, it has been such a problem for me tho cuz of how many bugs it has had

[heady falcon]

yeah it definitely poses some pathfinding issues
dogs kinda get stunlocked in certain areas but thats more of a zeekers issue. the dogs get stunlocked on plenty of vanilla situations too

[tawdry citrus]

can you explain this issue specifically?

cuz it might be something i could do something about

[heady falcon]

mainly if you've full-aggroed them around ladders, they kinda just sit there and then it becomes unusable unless you pull them away somehow

[tawdry citrus]

wdym?

you mean like

when they dive at you

they get stuck agaisnt a wall type thing?

[heady falcon]

he roared at me here and i jumped down

[tawdry citrus]

i'll check navmesh right there and see if theres any obv issues

[near seal]

i was re-reading some older LLL code and i almost broke one of your moons btw

[tawdry citrus]

wdym?

[near seal]

tenebrous was the name of my unreleased moon and i directly was giving it like 9999 rarity in every interior via code 😭

[tawdry citrus]

omg

[near seal]

punished for stealing 💔

[tawdry citrus]

nuh uh

[near seal]

tenebrous my beloved

[heady falcon]

probably a zeekers issue lol

[ashen vessel]

he just came to the vet, he needs that so he won't bite his tail

[tawdry citrus]

let me know if theres any bugs with the new update

[tawdry citrus]

you were correct

our moons breaking back then was a positive thing

lunar lights wouldnt exist without that loss

the moons we've made to replace what was lost

are thousands of times better than the originals

for every single one

[normal nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[ashen vessel]

when are we getting Solar Darks 😛

[tawdry citrus]

lol

[tawdry citrus]

giants can no longer get in the cave on boreal

you can now use it to escape giants

same thing for the main entrance building

working on an update to add navmesh links

so enemies move around moons more freely

and dont get stuck when trying to chase you

[ashen vessel]

just checking have any of the recent updates added terramesh?(I plan to do a moon showcase but wanan wait so im doing a decently up to date version visually)

[tawdry citrus]

yes

anything after 1.3.1

[tawdry citrus]

you should wait to do a showcase of this pack for another update

cuz im doing a small polishing pass on everything to just make sure everything is as good as it can be

[ashen vessel]

sounds good, I have a large list of moons to showcase anyways haha

[tawdry citrus]

you will not be able to escape enemies by jumping onto the nearest object after the next update

masked enemies will actually be a threat outside

no more confused ai when you stand on anything other than the floor

[tired crown]

Noice

[tawdry citrus]

testing navmesh changes

[tawdry citrus]

publishing update now

if the update works as intended

you shouldnt notice a difference

and if theres no big bugs

i can take a moment to relax

before working on the next moon

[ashen vessel]

just checking did this update make the moons work with the new LLL hotloading feature(no rush just checking)

[tawdry citrus]

nope

dont even know what that is

[ashen vessel]

#1193461151636398080 message

[green mica]

Means the moons dont stay loaded in the background, which saves a lot of ram (very basically)

[tawdry citrus]

We hit 40k!

[green mica]

Absolutely deserved, congrats!

[tawdry citrus]

I couldnt thank you all enough for this

never thought i'd be this big in literally any community

i've always seen myself as a nobody, and never expect anything i make to even be seen by anyone

so i never imagined i'd be in the position to be thanking this community for everything

i keep checking thunderstore to see if thats actually the number im seeing, because i cant believe that many people would see something i've made

Thank you all for getting me here, and sticking with me from the moment i poked my head into this community

the support you've all given me is the only reason im still here making new things for you all

this really means a lot to me

seriously

to everyone in this community, Thank you.

[tawdry citrus]

i'm gonna be changing the way i release content

i'm moving to less often larger content drops

but

im making a patreon

i'll post the smaller more frequent updates there

as parts of the larger update

and i'll be sharing more info about updates and plans on the patreon

[tired crown]

I think uploading stuff specifically to Patreon is a bad idea, maybe make a Patreon or Ko-Fi though for people to support you

[tawdry citrus]

it isnt exclusive content for anything other than spoilers

[tired crown]

Got it

[tawdry citrus]

its just early access to the smaller bits of an update before the full thing is ready

the main reason im making a patreon is cuz now that im not living with my parents, i've gotta get some income

so having a little extra coming in for this, means i can keep working on the mod

https://www.patreon.com/DevineJade

my link

[tawdry citrus]

There's a little more info on the patreon about what the plan is btw

[snow kindle]

You can link your donolink on thunderstore, I just did it with my ko-fi like 2 weeks ago

[tawdry citrus]

Ty

[ashen vessel]

You gained a patron : )

[tawdry citrus]

Is it you?

[pastel lynx]

sadly I won't be able to give.
But I'll be waiting hapy for the updates :]

[tawdry citrus]

That's okay :3

Nobody has to

I don't want anyone to feel required to

[ashen vessel]

yup, at least for the time being I am able to support

[tawdry citrus]

Thanks so much

I really appreciate it

Feel free to cancel whenever you need, don't be pressured to stay donating

[ashen vessel]

I just canceled another mods support since after years there was no public release XD

[tawdry citrus]

Aw, why weren't they releasing it?

[ashen vessel]

Not cancelled just development is a crawl so I dont feel the want to support it as of now

escpially given I dont really play that game anymore

[tawdry citrus]

Ohh okay

Wellll

You already know how I am with updates

[ashen vessel]

differance is, I still play lethal XD

also its way cheaper than the 20$ sub I had before

[tawdry citrus]

I didn't want my donations to go higher than 5$

I don't believe the value I provide is more than 5$

[ashen vessel]

rn ive just been going thru all the subscriptions I still have and canceling most of them

[tawdry citrus]

Oh?

[ashen vessel]

I never realized how much bs I was signed up for XD

[tawdry citrus]

I've never had enough money to forget where it's going

Lol

I always knew the bs I was wasting money on instead of saving it

[ashen vessel]

this is more a case of me signing up for this shit like 5+ years ago

[tawdry citrus]

Ohhh oki

[ashen vessel]

im also just really lucky that the state covered most of my student costs

Above average grades + single parent household = good sob story to make the gov give me money XD

[ashen vessel]

Oh btw since I see you are in the SEAL server the mod I stopped subing too was the FCS mods

[tawdry citrus]

The FCS?

[ashen vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SomsL7J27cc

stuck on the legacy version for a long while now since they had to recode it

was the best base building mod

[tawdry citrus]

Ohh, that mod

[ashen vessel]

yeee, ik the devs have busy live I just cant continue to spend $ when I could use it for better things

[tawdry citrus]

I'm glad you consider supporting me to be "better things"

Again, thank you so much for the donation

I want you to know how much it's truly appreciated

[ashen vessel]

better things also include funding some more interior revivals haha(scoopy's in progress rn)

[tawdry citrus]

That is definitely better things

Its cool when old things get brought back

And important for the community to not have lost mods that no longer work

[ashen vessel]

Aint letting this be like minecraft with like 6 different main versions for mods

[tired crown]

@tawdry citrus Wtf are the spawn curves on Boreal my god?

So many Giants and Dogs

lol

For a free moon it feels nuts

[tawdry citrus]

What happened?

[tired crown]

😂

Just so many outside enemies spawn

XD

[tawdry citrus]

It's meant to be a hard free moon

The challenge isn't the price you pay to get there, it's dealing with the actual enemies

You could probably adjust the LLL config to fit your modpack better

Cuz it is already a very difficult moon

So mods that add more difficulty could make it too much

And need tuning depending on the pack

[tired crown]

Also you really need to fix those quicksand placements

lol

js

[tawdry citrus]

elaborate

[tired crown]

I got the Hazard Hallucination which spawns quicksand and there were like 3 piles next to each other all outside of main

I couldn't get around it

😂

[tawdry citrus]

omg

[tired crown]

[tawdry citrus]

is the red dots where the mud spawned?

[tired crown]

Probably yeah

[primal minnow]

Moon makers cannot control where they spawn directly, it's just random around AI nodes

[tawdry citrus]

can at least remove ai nodes from directly infront of the door

to prevent that

[tired crown]

Ah

[ashen vessel]

just went to precise and gotta say the drive is ROUGH (in a good way)

[tawdry citrus]

wdym?

[ashen vessel]

I meant I like how I had to floor it to get up some of the inclines

and the fog made it a lot more techerous

[tawdry citrus]

ohhh

you mean precipice?

[ashen vessel]

I wish more moons with cruiser support required more treacherous driving

a lot of them are too open imo

even for ones I like like Powerfull moons and arcadia

[tawdry citrus]

honestly agreed

https://www.patreon.com/DevineJade

Posted a peek at the next moon on the patreon

[ashen vessel]

showcased the moons https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBuGXqLymvSdFlzx5ZxmFs6b5fkD_ZqV8

[tawdry citrus]

thanksss

[tawdry citrus]

im gonna post a spoiler here

top down view of the next moon

theres a lot left to do

but i've made a ton of progress today

im kinda reviving a scrapped moon

but more so repurposing a template that was already made

for a new idea

[pastel lynx]

Looks good!

[jagged ice]

I actually have to check out this mod sometime

The art that's been shown so far is just peak af

[tawdry citrus]

:3

You should try it out

You won't regret it

[jagged ice]

Ok !

[tawdry citrus]

I'm open to any feedback you have about stuff once you've checked it all out

[primal minnow]

If you don't have them already, please add LOD groups to your rocks, trees and grass. Moons look gorgeous, but since they have much more decor than on average, not having them might hurt the game's performance, especially when a player is in the interior. If you already have them set up disregard
I know you need special models to make it properly, but at least culling with distance would be cool as well.

[azure mirage]

i have to say for certain that your moons are definitely above the rest in terms of quality and replayability. the design and variation between them is great, and expands on the vanilla-esque style while still remaining unique but perfectly fitting the game’s inherent vibe.

i suppose if i were to offer any legible opinion then id say i like modded moons that look and feel vanilla but have their own personality or twist to them

currently i use calamitous, tenebrous and verdance as they are doing their own thing but still have the vanilla feel and formula in them

[tawdry citrus]

Got it

Will add LODs in the next update

Where they aren't already added

[tired crown]

This actually might explain why on some moons like Boreal there is lag after going outside from being inside for a while

Lol

CullFactory likely fixes the lag when inside but anything going on outside I imagine not

[tawdry citrus]

Since I'm working on a major update rn, I would like some feedback on what you all would like to see added

[heady falcon]

another thing that would be really nice is config options. i like all of the moons but some of them don't really have much of a place in my modpack for various reasons so it'd be nice to disable them or toggle certain things about them. for example, as cool as precipice and calamitous are, i just think theyre a tad too big and so i would really just like to have verdance, boreal, incalescence, and tenebrous.

[tawdry citrus]

I don't really know how to do that, but there are a couple options for that

My moon bundles are all separated in the files

So you can delete what you don't want

But also

In LLL configs

[heady falcon]

ah

[tawdry citrus]

You can hide moons from the terminal

[tawdry citrus]

Each moon has 2 asset bundles

Only one of them isn't labeled with the actual moon name

That's Tenebrous

It's called Water instead of Tenebrous

Cuz that's what I called it before it had a name

[ashen vessel]

too big? at least for precipice, it felt very straight forward haha

[tawdry citrus]

Precipice is a large moon, but it only has one path

[ashen vessel]

at least with the cruiser

[tawdry citrus]

Technically two because you can scale down the cliffs over the ship

[heady falcon]

i get that its late game so u should definitely have jetpacks and cruiser but its just not my thing lol

[tawdry citrus]

It's kinda my version of titan

Since it plays fairly similarly

[ashen vessel]

yeye, my group will prob load up the cruiser with the best loot while the rest of the group goes back in and starts dropping loot off the edge

[tawdry citrus]

Ye

You're meant to drop loot down and have a loot chain that goes back to the ship

:3

[ashen vessel]

we are lucky most of us are good drivers

lol

[tawdry citrus]

Oh btw

Do you have any suggestions for additions or changes with the next update?

[ashen vessel]

hmmm, one main gripe I had with some of the moons, something with the shader/lighting seems to make some of the rock textures look washed out

idk how to describe it

[heady falcon]

noticed a earth leviathan problem on verdance. it was having some kind of blockage that made it have issues attacking. it spawned across the river from the ship, idk if it just got stuck or what

[ashen vessel]

never was a huge issue but its prob something to do with the post processing/shaders the game uses

[tawdry citrus]

well

gonna keep working on the new moon

will work on the other stuff once thats done

[tawdry citrus]

damn

incalscense is gonna be hell to add lod's to

cuz nothing is a prefab

verdance too

[tawdry citrus]

alr

generally the Lod's are setup

[tawdry citrus]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/development-120287503?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

New post on patreon

also

because patreon allows it

i might sell the posts with the actual smaller updates in them

either that or include them in the 1$ tier

this update most likely wont include smaller update posts inbetween the release

because theres not enough in it being added outside of the main thing to warrant posting smaller updates

cuz as of now

the only thing that could be in the small update is the addition of LOD's

[tawdry citrus]

put up another progress update on patreon

[tawdry citrus]

its funny

i'd be like 30 mins from fully being done with the moon if it was a normal moon without gimmicks

[tawdry citrus]

I feel like this moon has to be one of my best

cuz its the first major update after returning from a long break

[pastel lynx]

yay

[tawdry citrus]

i wont spoil anything more about the moon

cuz i want it to be a surprise to anyone who isnt in the patreon

[pastel lynx]

gotcha :]

[tawdry citrus]

believe me though

you will be surprised

[ashen vessel]

It has sans undertale

Ive spoiled it

boom

[tawdry citrus]

lol

[tawdry citrus]

progress update for everyone

i'm nearing completion of the new update

i would like you all to share what you're hoping to see in the update

so i can add it before its released

and dont have to push what you're hoping for into the next update

[tawdry citrus]

Massive size reduction with the upcoming update

i know @tired crown will be happy about that

S1ckboy helped with optimization

Current release file size is around 330mb

the new total size including the new moon is 112 mb

[snow kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-anime-pokemon-eating-food-gif-21164096

[near seal]

It feels good doesn't it 😄

Is it prepped for hotreloading too?

[tawdry citrus]

it should be

[snow kindle]

I didnt look at all of them but when I paid attention I saw they bundles not depending on each other, not sure if all are good but if you have a consistent setup they should all be fine

[tawdry citrus]

yeah they're all good then

if thats the only requirement

they're all setup exactly the same

[snow kindle]

oh Batby is the streaming stuff already a thing or thats for a future update? I didnt read thru the last few patches thoroughly

[near seal]

which

[snow kindle]

StreamingLethalBundles - the one you mentioned in the hotreload thread that its not done yet but we can already put the bundle names in it

[near seal]

not done yet

could possibly change so don't get to caught up in that yet

that one is abit of a pain 😄

[tawdry citrus]

oh btw @snow kindle will the optimizations done today improve load times as well?

[near seal]

yes

[snow kindle]

I would have to merge Seichi's project to the rest of the mythicmoons anyway before thats done which Im really not looking forward to

[near seal]

not true i don't think

[tired crown]

Hoorah

[near seal]

the idea is that if i can load all the non-streaming bundles first, then those bundles make a promise to me that x scene is in y file, I don't actually have to load up that bundle until it's needed on route change

which would let me skip loading it entirely at startup

[snow kindle]

well I guess since you have them as strings for the lethalbundles instead of looking for the extendedmods but I still think it would be good for me to merge the one moon's project to the rest so I could bundle the non-scenes in one bunch (or is that not ideal?)

[near seal]

oh no your fine to merge your stuff im just saying it's not neccasary for my stuff

[snow kindle]

Im not sure if I will depends on how lazy I am

[tawdry citrus]

Gonna start working on stuff soon

I might have the update out tonight

[tawdry citrus]

Gonna go get breakfast

When I'm done ill start doing all the finishing touches

[normal nymph]

tyt

[tawdry citrus]

:3

Gonna setup all the enemy spawning

And then do some testing to see if I can catch any bugs before release

[normal nymph]

i hope you find a beetle

[tawdry citrus]

A centipede would be cool too

[tired crown]

If you get it out we'll definitely check it out

[tawdry citrus]

Awesome

[tawdry citrus]

almost ready

[snow kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-useless-different-bongo-cat-gif-16471234

[tawdry citrus]

doing some testing

if i dont run into any big bugs

im gonna be publishing the update

[tawdry citrus]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LustrousLuna/Lunar_Lights/

uploaded a small bugfixing update

missed a couple things

[normal nymph]

[tawdry citrus]

@tired crown @normal nymph you two interested in testing the moonpack?

[normal nymph]

i wouldnt mind it. if we get that 3rd hand raised, mine wont go down

[tawdry citrus]

wdym?

[tired crown]

I mean he was essentially saying it would be us 3

lol

[normal nymph]

^

[tired crown]

While we're at it we could test the Slaughterhouse update too

[tawdry citrus]

true

you wanna setup a pack for it?

[tired crown]

Yeah I'm doing an update to my pack rq

[tawdry citrus]

alr :3

oh also

we should test most moons

cuz all of them have had optimizations done

also need gear and money for rampart

oh also

are you using the sector 0 interior?

cuz that one seems to be good for rampart

[tired crown]

Not right now, it has some bugs that need fixed

Warehouse is usually my go to alternative but I'll wait for us to play on it lol

Luckily I have LGU so I can force credits to get the gear and stuff we need

Pinged you btw so you can come join us in vc

[tawdry citrus]

planning to start working on my interior tomorrow

[azure mirage]

whats the interior?

[tawdry citrus]

you'll see when its released :3

ill post spoilers on my patreon tho

[azure mirage]

most interesting

will it be available standalone?

[tawdry citrus]

yeah

i'll upload it as a seperate mod

[tawdry citrus]

@nova orchid i saw you used my catwalks on one of your moons

im remaking them, because the catwalks had a decent few issues

wanted to let you know so you could replace them when i have the new assets finished

[nova orchid]

👍

[tawdry citrus]

this is what the new ones look like

(left side is 3 connected in a line, and the right is just one on its own)

[nova orchid]

any comparison to the old ones?

[tawdry citrus]

will send in a min

heres some of the new ones together

(all the pieces i have done are visible here

[tawdry citrus]

heres a pic of the old ones

lined up for a direct comparison

(Old on the left, New on the Right

[tired crown]

Ah yeah the uv mapping and textures are greatly improved

[tawdry citrus]

they're also more accurate to vanilla

[tired crown]

Mhm

[tawdry citrus]

and the model quality is higher

and has massively reduced poly counts

also

when im done

and prefab everything

i'm gonna use simpler colliders and add LODs to the prefabs

so they have built in distance culling

we're much more experienced with all this stuff now, so i'm making a much better set of prefabs

that requires much less effort to use

we're also making these to use in our new interior

its important to have better setup catwalks than we made before

[tawdry citrus]

Updated catwalk prefabs

anyone whos used the previous ones should really replace them with these

@snow kindle

i know you've used the old ones before

[snow kindle]

neat!

[tawdry citrus]

pretty much every problem with the old ones is fixed

i dont really know if theres a single issue i didnt fix

lol

[snow kindle]

I'll check it out later ^^

[tawdry citrus]

sounds good

i'll be sleeping soon

spent my whole day working on those

gonna start tomorrow off working on updating my own moons with the new catwalks

[green mica]

Hey, I finally got to check the update out, and its really great

I already loved the moons, but getting an update was really nice to now be able to play it

Only thing is Rampart's ambience, which is kind of opressive for how loud it is, and the main building, which tanks fps a little

Really great mod, thanks for it

[sage vault]

I think you should be able to pin the new version of the prefabs, though unsure how to unpin the original

[tawdry citrus]

Pretty sure there's no pinbot anymore

[tired crown]

Pawsy can do it

[tawdry citrus]

Ohh

How do I use it?

Didn't know there was a dif pinbot

[tired crown]

do /paws and it shows the commands

you want the pin-bot one

[tawdry citrus]

There we go

[tawdry citrus]

Gonna go update the moons with the new catwalks

:3

[tawdry citrus]

i've been really enjoying working on stuff recently

its nice to just sit down and work on a goal you have set for the day

[tawdry citrus]

rampart has the catwalks replaced now

replacing them took a lot less time than adding the old ones originally did

mainly cuz they're easier to work with

[tawdry citrus]

gonna publish the new update replacing all the catwalks in just a min

publishing now

not much changed so there shouldnt be any bugfixing needed

especially since the new catwalks are bug free out of the box

lol

[normal nymph]

i like this wall. it's a nice wall.

[orchid escarp]

Trump would be proud /j

[normal nymph]

ewwwww, politics (even in joke form)

[orchid escarp]

I knew this would happen....

I wish people could just appreciate the joke

[tawdry citrus]

then dont make the joke

[orchid escarp]

An effort still has to be made to see if anyone would actually appreciate the joke

I mean we're talking about walls

[tawdry citrus]

and?

[orchid escarp]

Life would be boring if I just kept quiet

[tawdry citrus]

maybe life should be a little more boring for you

[orchid escarp]

Nah, this is why I play games and chat with people online.

[tawdry citrus]

i wonder what you did to get this

[orchid escarp]

I wonder why you'd go out of your way to look at it

[tawdry citrus]

cuz you have it on your profile

lol

[orchid escarp]

Also the real reason was pretty bogus and they never gave me an explanation. I was just shadowbanned out of the blue.

[tawdry citrus]

dont link it to your profile if you dont want people looking at it

[orchid escarp]

According to the system, I have some alt account that got in trouble, but that's not true.

[orchid escarp]

Normal people don't go looking through my backgrounds just to find out more about me, simply because of a conversation I'm having with them that compels them to look for dirt on me.

I know why you looked

[tawdry citrus]

nah

its cuz you talk like a redditor

[orchid escarp]

Now that's some nasty stereotyping

I've only been on that site for a year before getting shadowbanned.

Most people qualified to be called "redditors" out of context were on that site for several years

And it's funny you bring it up because I only went on that site to post memes and make some funnies.

The exact same thing I was trying to do here.

Just trying to make a joke to lighten the mood, then BepisMan went "Eww, politics"

So instead of appreciating the attempt at humor, you two focus on the most negative aspect of the harmless joke.

We could have never had this conversation, and instead had a good-natured laugh.

[tawdry citrus]

lol

go have fun in someone else's thread

[orchid escarp]

I mean it isn't really that hard to lighten up and have a laugh about something instead of getting picky about the choice of words. I made the joke without any harmful intent.

And you're still gonna be sensitive about it

[sharp marlin]

Looks like this mostly resolved itself but just the same

[normal nymph]

based. thanks, Robyn

[crimson flower]

https://tenor.com/view/kam-edwards-when-your-son-is-a-geek-kam-edwards-tiktok-juneau-chair-slam-gif-3950632174044793484

why do people gotta be like that smh......

[tawdry citrus]

starting work on an interior

[pastel lynx]

Looks good!

[azure mirage]

very interesting, kind of feels like a blend of the basic facility and the storehouse

dig it

[tawdry citrus]

Guess so

[tawdry citrus]

This is the main entrance room

About half done

It's meant to be a similar main room layout to the manor interior

[halcyon urchin]

Revisiting this mod after a year and damn these are fantastic

def gonna be a perm addition to my pack

[tawdry citrus]

:3

thanks a ton

really happy you like it

[tawdry citrus]

next tile i've made

just getting the basic tiles made then im gonna work on all the extra props and stuff

[near seal]

@tawdry citrus general advice for tile making incase it helps. When your making them try and ensure your tiles have a consistent size, including your “subtiles”. When I say subtitles I mean for example the facility main entrance is 2x2 subtiles or the rebar jump being 2x4 or whatever. The closer you are to being perfect with your consistency the more likely your interior can generate in a way where it loops back on itself and doorways can accidentally connect due to lining up perfectly

[azure mirage]

kinda reminds me of containment breach and thats a good thing

looks great so far!

can't wait to see the final product

[tawdry citrus]

its the angled concrete on the walls

[tawdry citrus]

will keep that in mind

[near seal]

eg. this is perfect (afaik) size consistency so when i force it's x and z max size the interior can end up super compact

obviously this is fairly extreme but gets the point across

where-as if any of your tiles are inconsistent in door placement or general bounds size it will offset all the tiles that generate after it, which means it can never line up like this

[halcyon urchin]

Very refreshing stuff I like Calamitous and Tenebrous espesially
I have some feedback but im in the middle of a session atm
im guessing you went by Luna at somepoint based on the TS team name? funnily enough thats what I currently go by

[tawdry citrus]

technically yeah

its a lil more complicated but that explanation works

@near seal i have a question about interior generation

how do i make sure that the main entrance room always generates

and never generates more than once

im not really understanding that part of the setup

[near seal]

let me open unity

[tawdry citrus]

ty

[near seal]

There could be a better way that I'm not familiar with but the way it's setup for me right now is

the TileSet just contains the starting room and the starting room tile is set to never repeat

[tawdry citrus]

ohh oki

that makes sense

[tawdry citrus]

is there any way to make sure every door genererates a room on it like the mansion does?

well

mostly

i know it doesnt every time

some arent always used

but they almost always are

the way things are setup for me rn just likes generating one single path

@near seal

[tawdry citrus]

redid the tile

it fits within a grid now

and fits the theme a bit better

those angled concrete bits were really messing up the style

[jagged ice]

What's the theme?

[tawdry citrus]

heavy industrial style

[jagged ice]

Is it like... a warehouse?

[tawdry citrus]

moreso just a broad industrial theme with no specific purpose to the structure

like the vanilla facility

[jagged ice]

Rain Worl

https://tenor.com/view/skibidisigmapomni-gif-334922483399417682

Looks peak so far

I like

[tawdry citrus]

glad you like it so far

[tawdry citrus]

i found the machine that the apparatus thing is based off of

[jagged ice]

What is it?

[tawdry citrus]

an industrial CAT diesel generator

[tawdry citrus]

its such an obvious direct copy from that specific image

zeekers even added the metal bars with the red tips

[snow kindle]

Love to see the details, first time I saw it really left a great impression

(Engineerboi here)

[halcyon urchin]

based or something idk

[azure mirage]

apparatus in real?!

[tawdry citrus]

I dreamed about working on my interior

.<

The grind never stops, I'm still working even when I'm asleep

[jagged ice]

Reminds me of this lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONxp_lLXWGk&themeRefresh=1

[halcyon urchin]

ive done this shit before with my mods

its so odd feeling

[tawdry citrus]

progress is being made

[nova orchid]

what's the theme of the interior meant to be?

[tawdry citrus]

industrial facility, similar to the vanilla interior

whys that the main question people ask?

[snow kindle]

These look amazing

[ashen vessel]

reminds me of scp containment breach but with good models lol

[tawdry citrus]

:333

ty

[tawdry citrus]

made a variant of this tile

its L shaped instead of a rectangle

and has 3 doors

could potentially strip out the conveyor belt and add shelves to make it a storage room

i've been making each tile easy to make into different variants cuz that saves me a lot of time

[azure mirage]

still looks great

if i were to suggest anything: pipes, valves, tubes. lots of them

[tawdry citrus]

ye

am gonna add those as the random props that spawn

[azure mirage]

maybe some angled or colored lights for some mood in some specific rooms

[tawdry citrus]

once i have all the rooms done

i'll work on setting up all the extra randomized spawning stuff

currently i have 21 tiles

im gonna make 5 more small tiles

1 big tile (similar size to the one big room from facility)

and 1 or 2 tiles for the apparatus

the final number of tiles will prob be somewhere around 30

dunno how many tiles there's supposed to be

but thats the amount im prob gonna have

will probably also make some more catwalk tiles

cuz i dont have enough of those

need more tiles to break up the visuals of the concrete walls everywhere

[azure mirage]

i love that everybody universally calls it "the big room"

[tawdry citrus]

i call it the thumper room

cuz when i first started playing the game

every time i found that room

there was a thumper shortly after

or immediately

[halcyon urchin]

Belt room?

iirc that’s the name

[tawdry citrus]

gimme ideas for the large loot room for my interior

i dunno what i wanna make it

im getting pretty close to finishing all the tiles

thats one of the last ones i have left to make

[azure mirage]

something warehousey with pallets and containers stacked up, like a storage/cargo center

i've always really liked the whole industrial aesthetic that modern warehouses have, being tall and utilitarian, storing all manner of stuff. kind of like a home depot or something i guess

could have like ladders or something on some of the racks that loot can spawn on, that youd need to climb up to reach

[tawdry citrus]

wouldnt quite fit with everything else i've got

with how large that'd have to be

i could make a medium version of that for u tho

[azure mirage]

i would be honored to have proved some inspiration for an interior!

another idea could be something like this for a med-big room

[tawdry citrus]

what exactly is that?

[azure mirage]

that picture is just a random water treatment plant i found on google images, it was moreso the aesthetic of an industrial pipe-y machinery place that i was looking for

[normal nymph]

hmm... what if
The Stanley Parable office as an interior

[crimson flower]

office interior number 2763

[strong juniper]

lol u just start hearing the adventure line music as you enter

[near seal]

@tawdry citrus are you getting a hang of the tile generation and overall vibe of that now?

[tawdry citrus]

Ye

I had it generating correctly in game last night

Before I went to bed

You would not believe how happy that made me when it actually worked instead of me having to do hours of fixing problems

[near seal]

😄

oh i feel that

[tawdry citrus]

I found a couple bugs with the interior

But like

That was expected

I'm happy to have found bugs with the interior cuz that means the interior itself Is actually working

[near seal]

also little tip if you haven't found it yet, in the Tile component there's a reference for entrance and exit doorway

[tawdry citrus]

Yep

[near seal]

if these aren't provided dungen will kinda try and pick randomly/figure it out but if they are provided it will explcitly use those doorways for entrance and exit

yaa cool

[tawdry citrus]

I had to use those to fix a really annoying generation problem

[near seal]

I noticed you have a couple vertical tiles and that can be important as you can use defined entrance doorways and limited tile spawnings to prevent the dungeon from generating to multiple height levels which makes the generation unideal

[tawdry citrus]

I made a stairway tile that was specifically supposed to generate in the middle or start of branches to split it in multiple directions

But it was just only putting it backwards on the ends of branches

[near seal]

ye

[tawdry citrus]

Wdym

[near seal]

so like castle has a spiral staircase that is like 3 subtiles in height

i don't want 2-3 of those to spawn and they keep going up because then the dungeon is split into sections that are like of 9 subtiles of height difference

so to solve this i can make two versions of the spiral staircase, one with the entrance going up and one with the entrance going down, then set them to never repeat

this means if 1 spawns it only goes up once and if 2 spawns it's going to go back down to it's original height

[tawdry citrus]

I only have stairs that go up by one tile each

And I honestly like the slightly vertical generation that it creates

[near seal]

sounds good then 😄

[tawdry citrus]

Also

Funny thing that I accidentally did

The maze tiles I made

Take up most of the grid spaces

But they have gaps

[whole mantle]

Are there any known mod incompats with LL @tawdry citrus ?

[tawdry citrus]

Especially the ones with flat walls

[tawdry citrus]

Not that I know of

[whole mantle]

I'm working on my Modpack and with LL in there the game won't get past the "online" button on the main menu

[tawdry citrus]

Other than the old version of the same mod (celestial expansion)

[whole mantle]

OH wait that might be my issue 😂

Wait no jokes it's LL 1.4.1

Not CE

Strange
Rampart isn't appearing in my LLL config either

Might regen configs, I've been absent a while

[near seal]

it might be because of celestial expansion as of LL 1.4

[tawdry citrus]

I added variants of the tiles with flat walls

They spawn little closet doors

[whole mantle]

Omg I'm stupid don't mind me
I had Incalescence on its own so a double up

[tawdry citrus]

That can generate a tiny closet tile

[whole mantle]

Just found the issue
Sorry for tha fuss 😂

[near seal]

LLL should ideally handle that problem better, apologies

[whole mantle]

I mean, seems like an unnecessary struggle only useful for bloated/outdated packs really

I should open my eyes

[tawdry citrus]

And very rarely it doesn't generate a closet, it just generates another hallway with the same door connector on the other side

So I accidentally made a hidden room gimmick for the interior

[tawdry citrus]

Anyways

Time for breakfast

And time for setting up all the extra stuff I haven't yet

When all the basics are done

I'm gonna do a patreon only release

So people can check it out

While I fully finish and polish it

[tawdry citrus]

theres only like

1 room left to be made before i can call it v1 of the interior

i'll be testing for a little bit

and going back over everything making sure that everything is how i want it to be

[normal nymph]

👀

[tawdry citrus]

basically all i have left to do before this is make the big tile

[tawdry citrus]

making progress on the big room

[rustic pine]

[tawdry citrus]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/patreon-excusive-121093692?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

the interior is nearly complete, it still needs polishing so im not doing a public release

but its available early now for the 1$ and 5$ tiers

[azure mirage]

i like it

i like it a lot!

if youre going for that kind of storage vibe with it might i float the idea (if not already) of having some random boxes or totes strewn around? adding more little "people worked here" details helps immersion and makes an environment feel more lived in

[tawdry citrus]

the maze tiles will def get some extra decorations like that

[azure mirage]

one thing i do like about the vanilla interiors is that they have some separate spaces that fit the theme of the interior, but are distinct enough to be their own area so the rest of it isn’t repetitive, like the kitchen in the mansion, the “big room” in the facility, or the caves in the mines

i haven’t seen the interior yet but i felt i’d just share my 2 cents, variation is the backbone of replayability

[tawdry citrus]

ive got a big room

am currently working on adding variation in indivdual rooms

like

random spawning boxes

and also!

random spawning deviders in some tiles

[azure mirage]

interesting! cant wait to see it in action

[tawdry citrus]

i dont know when i'm gonna be ready to release

its basically done

[tawdry citrus]

we got 2 or 3 people in here who want early access for a playtest of the new interior?

[grave ibex]

dibs

[nova orchid]

me too...

[azure mirage]

certainly

[tawdry citrus]

sent you two friend requests so i can get us in a gc

alr

thats everyone

[grave ibex]

Awesome

[tawdry citrus]

we may need an extra person

anyone else available?

[tawdry citrus]

playtest went well

gonna wait on feedback from one more person involved with the test

and then work on getting the final changes in before release

i may update rampart to actually use the tiles created for this interior

in the indoor section

but im not sure if i will or not

it'll come in a later update if it actually happens

[tawdry citrus]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LustrousLuna/Eternal_Void/

LunarLights/EternalVoid

Interior is out!

1.0.1 adds default weights for moon spawning

[normal nymph]

👀👀👀👀👀👀

[tawdry citrus]

I gave the interior a much much better icon than Lunar lights

lol

[crimson flower]

that was quick

[normal nymph]

latter thumbnails tend to show improvement

[normal nymph]

@tired crown

[tawdry citrus]

wdym?

felt like it took me a lil while to finish

[crimson flower]

im just saying that it came out quicker than i expected

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924770593503596616/1294028804305588254/eLJXoOEQ.gif

[tawdry citrus]

wunkus

[normal nymph]

creature

[tawdry citrus]

i hope i dont have any bugs to fix

[rustic pine]

That's the modder life

[pastel lynx]

Some enemies paths through the wall on this tile
I just saw a Puffer do that

let me check if I can find a better photo

[tawdry citrus]

guh

is the tile x shaped, T shaped, or straight

[pastel lynx]

X shaped

I'll try getting a video

[jagged ice]

AMAZING interior

Will do great as a Storehouse alternative

[pastel lynx]

Found the tile

[bronze otter]

Is rampart supposed to have an empty outside spawning list in LLL?

[snow kindle]

Its already out? Wat da hek

[bronze otter]

Yeah and it's peak

Been out for a while

Unique gimmick which is Really hard if you're not equipped well

[tawdry citrus]

Yes

It uses custom spawning logic

[tawdry citrus]

Mhmm

[tawdry citrus]

Wdym?

[bronze otter]

Ah. JLL I am guessing?

[tawdry citrus]

Yup