Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[maiden valley]

is there any way around this
i cant get march to apply other interiors by default

they're being generated though

i think its because of this function in LLL

[maiden valley]

i did this but lmk if its unhealthy

[tall kindle]

is that for like, editing your own selectablelevel?

[maiden valley]

uhmm

yes but it still generates the dungeons from the vanilla selectable level

because im rerouting

so it thinks the scenename is Level4March when it actually isnt

[tall kindle]

ah right

[maiden valley]

i ended up doing this bc stuff was overlapping

[slim wind]

oh dear

[maiden valley]

please don't skin me

[tall kindle]

It's okay, only peeling

[dusk crater]

does anyone know how the dynamic route price for custom interiors works? Is it like price:weight

im in the wrong channel mb

[south hawk]

If I write Modded:40

So the probability value of interiors will be 40 on custom moons?

I just noticed an interesting setting in LC_Office...

And what command can I use to see the probability of interiors appearing in the LLL terminal?

[grim nexus]

simulate planetname

[dusk crater]

thanks this is what i was looking for

[south hawk]

LC Office

[umbral oracle]

Is this an LLL issue?? I have no idea what else could be causing this

It only started manifesting after the installation of Polarus

[unique geode]

It might be a bug with LethalToolBox

[umbral oracle]

ARGH

[unique geode]

@sullen coral Do you know if LTB might cause this?

[zenith flax]

If you have no clue, Don't suggest it

[unique geode]

I'm only guessing cus I've never had an issue like this from LLL itself

and I've went to plenty of moons with custom fog values and such

[zenith flax]

You don't need to guess

your not obligated to respond to everyone

[unique geode]

I mean I was more so just trying to help out tbh, ideally they should send a profile code and logs to know what it might be

[umbral oracle]

I'm suggesting it anyway because I have nowhere else to look + #help-and-troubleshooting is more dead than roadkill

[unique geode]

Just to clarify you don't have anything like Better Fog right? Cus I could see Better Fog maybe persisting values like that

[umbral oracle]

Nah

Managed the replicate the issue

There seems to be no Toolbox thread, so here it goes

[sullen coral]

No clue

[umbral oracle]

There's nothing in the logs that could point to this from what I'm seeing

[unique geode]

Yeah I wasn't trying to offend Batby at all by saying it might be LethalToolBox but it's the only thing I could imagine it'd be since Wesley's Moons haven't switched to JLL yet and I think LTB is used for Polarus' fog stuff

[umbral oracle]

Idk why it'd offend him anyway, all I was doing was asking for help /shrug

[unique geode]

Was just clarifying incase I did

[zenith flax]

I'm not offended, I'm criticizing your involvement.

[umbral oracle]

Why so?

[unique geode]

I mean generally I would only imagine it could be that or a niche issue with WeatherRegistry with that moon somehow

Maybe WeatherTweaks if that's used but I don't consider it much anymore since it's not as widely used as it once was

[umbral oracle]

I don't use that, no

[zenith flax]

It's not about you guessing wrong, It's about you guessing

[unique geode]

That is entirely fair

[zenith flax]

They didn't ask you, If you have no idea what the answer is you don't need to be the person to respond every time

[umbral oracle]

I appreciate a guess over just Idk, any point in the right direction is nice

...Without it, it ends up like the ExperimentalEntityInteractions situation /w Nova and I

TulipDread

[unique geode]

If it's WeatherRegistry there is a quick way you can test

Try setting the blacklist for SunAnimator to All;

and see if it repros

[umbral oracle]

On it

[unique geode]

Ye cus the issue would then need to be reported to Mrov and you can send that log to him you posted in here

[umbral oracle]

Not an issue /w WR it seems

Still the same

Thanks for the suggestion though

An observation, but I've noticed that interior entities struggle to spawn outside on vanilla moons

E.g. I gave the barbers a weight of 100 on Rend to spawn outside, but all I got were giants and dogs

[zenith flax]

You need starlancers ai fix mod for that

[umbral oracle]

Yuh, I have that

[zenith flax]

Oh just soawning

no clue

That won’t be specific to them being inside or outside enemies, regardless of what’s doing it

[umbral oracle]

I'll debug /w Imperium lator to see what's up, hopefully the game isn't killing them off as soon as they spawn

[sullen coral]

Yeah that should work properly, are you sure it wasn't just bad RNG? @umbral oracle

[umbral oracle]

It's something I felt like I've noticed before, but I'll double check

[crisp galleon]

I do think each enemy has its own cap, and Barber is 1. You could get one out of daytime spawns and one out of nighttime, but that’s the max you could have outside without other mods. They’re also like always invisible unless close so could be easy to miss them.

[umbral oracle]

I have BarberFixes/ClaySurgeonOverhaul, so that shouldn't be happening

[slim wind]

lmao please stop

[unique geode]

I mean I had them test to see if it was your mod and it wasn't

:3

[slim wind]

sun animator has nothing to do with fog changing

but alright

[unique geode]

Ahhhh I figured it could be a thing where it carried over tbh

since there were weird bugs like that in the past with the Sun Animator stuff

[slim wind]

you have no idea what you're talking about

also no there weren't

[unique geode]

The sun from one moon carrying over to every other moon after

Causing the holy light to shine upon thee

XD

If it didn't work right on some moons

I thought of that

[maiden valley]

dont do this lethallevelloader bros it causes desyncs if modded interiors are installed

[steady ingot]

[maiden valley]

@zenith flax do you know why "sort difficulty" does not take overridden hazard ratings into account

how is it calculated

(this happens without terminal formatter as well, to be clear)

[slim wind]

because sorting by difficulty uses difficulty rating, not displayed strings

[maiden valley]

is it like a separate thing im unaware of?

[slim wind]

and because normally displayed value is correlated to the underlying difficulty, it's not visible

[slim wind]

https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/main/LethalLevelLoader%2FComponents%2FExtendedContent%2FExtendedLevel.cs#L98

[maiden valley]

ah

[tall moon]

hey not sure if i should ask here so i asked in the support chat but dropping it here just in case it also helps #help-and-troubleshooting message

[zenith flax]

Just realised there’s potential sauce in using physics materials to figure out footstep sounds 🤔

[steady ingot]

I’d really love that feature

[azure ether]

Hey, just asking this.

Does the vanilla moons have more tags?

Like dine is tundra and vanilla tagged?

just making sure since I'm messing with enemy variety skins

[zenith flax]

check pins

[azure ether]

nice

[hexed mesa]

@zenith flax I have been using your GlobalDungeonEvents.onBeforeDungeonGenerate event to setup my DunGenPlus dungeon generation override logic. Do you think LLL will explode if I change the injection point to instead a GeneratePrefixPatch with priority 199?

I assume the dungeon flow is already decided way before Generate is called ya?

[zenith flax]

it should be fine

give it a light explosion test

[hexed mesa]

thxthx

[smoky ocean]

Isn’t that will be “heavy” to get collider component and referencing to the phys mat?

[zenith flax]

that's about as light as you can possibly get for anything that isn't super hardcoded

[acoustic sonnet]

Is there a way to unhide a moon using LLL?

[wet vortex]

in the config, if the bool for hiding the moon in terminal is set true, change it to false

[acoustic sonnet]

didnt seem to work but I was able to do it with terminal formatter

[wet vortex]

weird

what moon was it

[acoustic sonnet]

nevermind neither worked, rn was just testing doing it wit ART

[north vigil]

Hello it's been a while! So I've still been getting reports that the item I added to the store using LethalLevelLoader has an issue that when remaking lobbies without closing the game, it causes the item to not show up in the store and messes with the order so when you buy items you get the wrong one. Is this a known issue or am I perhaps doing something wrong when adding it?

[zenith flax]

Hey so I updated LLL

Haven't worked on it but had a mostly finished little update sitting there and got around to marking LE and LEC as incompatabilities hopefully so just figured i'd send it

let me know if I broke anything

in theory extendedlevels and extendeddungeons can request camera clip views to be extended

and buyable vehicles should now register correctly

and route lock and route hidden should persist in saves now

also my github actions broke for some reason but i think it is up on ts and nuget correctly

[steady ingot]

did you also get around to making the custom footsteps work? 😮

[zenith flax]

no

[kindred pilot]

Hey, so... I'm trying to add custom scrap to Lethal Company and was directed to this API. However, despite my best attempts, I have 0 clue where to start. From what I have seen, the wiki mentions nothing about Item Modding.

Any help would be appreciated.

[crisp galleon]

There’s a video pinned in the dev-moons channel that goes over how to rip the game into Unity and add LLL to the project. I’d recommend watching the starting chunk of that video and then from there you just follow how vanilla items are structured for your item.

Once you have an item there’s a few small things you have to add on to actually get LLL to register your item, but you can worry about that stuff later and ask any questions in the dev-item channel.

[kindred pilot]

okay thank you so much.

[steady ingot]

Yeah in the end what you will need is an ExtendedMod place your ExtendedItems into it and fill everything out you need to then add LMPs (LevelMatchingProperties) to the ExtendedItems- these LMPs will determine the spawnweights which you will set it to

[slim wind]

another update? 👀

[steady ingot]

Im guessing its a hotfix for something

[olive bear]

is there no way for users to disable this? I know a lot of people who can't play with view distance increase mods just because they have older computers. I don't want some moons / interiors to become unplayable for them.

[crisp galleon]

There was an error thrown when quitting a save that actually stopped the game from quitting to the main menu. Hopefully a fix for that.

[slim wind]

lol

no

please

[azure ether]

wait is there an issue with the new LLL update (I read it adds an interior history)

just wanna know if it breaks stuff like generic moons and dynamic interior variety

[young acorn]

the changelog wasn't updated

[rich aurora]

Yeah neither 1.3.11 nor 1.3.12 show up in the changelog curiously enough 🤔

[spice ingot]

question, whats the terminal thing for finding out the interior chances for a moon

ive forgotten

SIMULATE right nvm

[zenith flax]

Currently no, Not strictly against the idea but I would like to see if there are practical problems with it before considering that

This allows the devs to request it and isn't something LLL just does so IMO it's more-so on the content creators end to deal with. There's some moons like Affliction that has a skybox that isn't fully showcased due to the default restraints and I think it's fine to give the option for creators to resolve something like that in this manor where if someone has troublesome hardware perhaps they should be advised to not use that moon

In theory performance mods can easily override my changes but due to the nature of me having to set the values per moon landing I understand if that is abit of a weird request

[zenith flax]

yeah my github actions were fucked and i couldn't be fucked apologies 😭

to be honest i literally just wanted to drop an update that marks LEC as incompatible for TS usage but i had all that work laying there in a commit so like

oh @slim wind dunno if its useful at all but extendedlevel's have a ref to their simulate node now

that slipped into the build cuz of stargazer testing

there's actually a lot i forgot i put in this

every piece of extendedcontent has a built in UUID eg. zeekerss.lethalcompany.flashlight and i also have a handy dict built into LLL so you can use
public static bool TryGetExtendedContent<T>(string uuid, out T extendedContent) which is neat

[spiral siren]

yeah for example I can expand CullFactory options to allow a maximum value for interior and exterior

not sure how the existing (opt-in config) values will fit into this, I'll have to think about it a bit

I feel like they should probably act as maximums for the sake of matching the original behavior

[zenith flax]

@spiral siren this is the same shit i was talking to you about from ages back just never was released

[spiral siren]

oh yeah I know, but we never talked about the performance aspect

[zenith flax]

yee

[digital breach]

woah I had no idea LLL was updated

there a changelog somewhere? I'm curious if the hotloading stuff you were working on got added or not

[zenith flax]

It did not

If you scroll up I talk about the changes, nothing too big

[digital breach]

yeah I was reading and also looking at the diffs on github

unfortunate it did not, was a very interesting idea

I do see one of the things I requested got added though so thanks!

[zenith flax]

It has to be a pretty big refactor and at the moment I lowkey just don’t have enough incentive to tackle it vs other things im doing

Sorry that took so long lol

[digital breach]

lmao all good, I get being busy

and also just not having the drive/incentive to do big things

[proud ridge]

Is this an issue with LLL? Interiors not loading for non-host players

actually I think it might be due to a specific pack since it's only happening on one moon (so far)

[unborn sinew]

Hello, I found an old moon I used to play last year but it was made with SDK which is deprecated. Is there any chance to make it work with LLL? Is it doable with only the mod files?

[zenith flax]

If your not the author the short answer is no

[unborn sinew]

Oh okay. Just curious, what would the long answer be?

[zenith flax]

For personal use it’s possible through assetripper and creativecontentconverter but ideally you’d need to reach out to the author to get it updated and/or reuploaded

[unborn sinew]

Okay! Thank you

[young acorn]

whenever you restart the lobby, LLL registered enemies in the devmode spawn menu seem to duplicate

[zenith flax]

this is true

i commented it and everything 😭

that will probably get fixed at some point

[hexed mesa]

I have complaint Batboy

I can't set this value to null
Assets.dungeonExtended.OverrideKeyPrefab
after it initalizes

My current hack

Assets.dungeonExtended.OverrideKeyPrefab = Assets.key.GetConfigItemEntry().enabled ? Assets.key.item.spawnPrefab : typeof(DungeonLoader).GetField("defaultKeyPrefab", System.Reflection.BindingFlags.NonPublic | System.Reflection.BindingFlags.Static).GetValue(null) as GameObject;

[hexed mesa]

Also question Batby, do you think there is a safe way to modify the SelectableLevel's spawanableScrap list before it's used in SpawnScrapInLevel but after the Terminal Awake/Start type functions. I ask you since you touched those fields the most probably.

Like my current sketchyass override-only-on-my-dungeon solution works, but since someone is asking for my items to spawn on all dungeons, it makes me more afraid of breaking something by applying my sketchyass solution to all moons.

I can't use LethalLib or whatnot since I had to modify the list after the clients receive a network message from the host, so it's way after the Awake/Start type functions

[plush wing]

Don't you already have the guarantee that you will be after the Terminal Awake/Start functions once you load into the lobby scene (so basically once you load into the lobby)?

[hexed mesa]

Sure, but when the network message is received is inheritly random. So if someone else also touches the list too, the order of operations can be all different for each client.

It's a small chance, but it will lead to the rare bug that I want to avoid

Like maybe I'm overthinking like crazy but I want to make sure

[plush wing]

I might be misunderstanding but I cannot think of a case where you have the terminal only starting to load* after it generates the level.

Because the only concern is clients having different lists, from what I am getting right now.

[hexed mesa]

The concern is correct yes

[plush wing]

Which would probably lead to clients seeing either different objects or different stats on, for example, weight.

[hexed mesa]

It can lead to crashes easily

[plush wing]

Oh, crashes?

Due to being different?

That's interesting to know, haha.

[hexed mesa]

Well Unity doesn't crash per say, but it can to an unplayable, unrecoverable state. Not a crash but may as well be

[plush wing]

Hmm, I see I see.

So right now the items are only registered to spawn on this one dungeon (through LLL things, I assume) and you want to introduce a way to which it adds to all other dungeons?

[hexed mesa]

There is no clear/perfect way currently to add items to a level after the initialization phase. I think I'm the only modder who's doing that currently and I only apply it when my dungeon loads so it's self contained.

Applying the same solution to all moons is asking for disaster

[plush wing]

Well, to load items according to what's currently set to, it will have to be either on each time you load the level and see the current dungeon before scrap spawns (GeneratedFloorPostProcessing is called after dungeonCompletedGenerating and playersFinishedGeneratingFloor.Count >= GameNetworkManager.Instance.connectedPlayers so maybe you can use this for after loading the dungeon and before the scrap is spawned for everyone) or whenever you change said related configuration (this assumes you initialized all levels according to the configuration on game boot).

[hexed mesa]

that's still a network message, waiting for players to tell you if they finished their generation. Nah that's fine you right. That being said, you lead me to GenerateNewFloor() which is a intialization function that all clients call before the dungeon generates.

I think I have the solution thanks for being my rubber ducky

[plush wing]

[elder ether]

what moon was it

[zenith flax]

do my dungeonevents not have shit for you

[zenith flax]

should be fine now

moved the null check from initialize to the usage

[zenith flax]

should be fixed

[wet vortex]

are there any problems with LLL's config right now? i'm having a weird situation where an interior is still spawning on a moon after I removed any chance of it spawning there in the config

also i just saw the new version uploaded, what was changed?

[zenith flax]

Just two little things mentioned above

[wet vortex]

got it

[zenith flax]

btw people like @digital breach and @plush wing; As you noticed I did intergrate some of the fixes/changes mentioned in PR's you guys made, thanks for that. Right now the changelog isn't updated because I'm lazy as hell but when it is updated ya'll should be credited

[zenith flax]

actually can someone remind me is item injection based on dungeon still broken

[digital breach]

oh yeah that reminds me did you end up implementing that one fix for route locked nodes? I'll see if I can find the old message I didn't submit it as a PR

[digital breach]

holy shit found it, had to search the discord for messages I sent with acceptAnything in it #1193461151636398080 message

I've had a fix for it in my library mod since 9/24

[digital breach]

if you want, at some point I can try to put together a PR for you. I searched the repository for acceptAnything and didn't see anything

[hexed mesa]

I'm trying a solution using your events and some extra initialization before your event calls. Gonna throw that solution live and see if it breaks

[digital breach]

https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/pull/153

[smoky ocean]

@zenith flax Hey, can you help me? When I start my moon, it selects facility or any other interiors with 1% chance but it doesn't select my interior with 9999%

[zenith flax]

i'd have to see the matching properties but that does look weird

[smoky ocean]

And it happens only If I use newer LLL and launch the game like that, to test LAN multplayer. I also set the config parameters because it was 'Default values were empty' when the game generated cfg file

When I launch the game with Gale, everything works fine

[smoky ocean]

I thought that when I launch the game like that, It doesn't read cfg files on host and it launches default interiors 🤔

[smoky ocean]

But here I can literally see that facility chance is 1% lol

[zenith flax]

i dont know (or tbh care) about config stuff at this point

the only reason it still exists is people would yell at me if it didn't

does it happen without the context of config

[smoky ocean]

Let me open Unity

I reset the game and tried to play with Gale and this mf workss

But why not when I play with exe label

w local bepinex

[zenith flax]

Your local config must be fucked or something idk

[smoky ocean]

I just reinstalled Bepinex and LC itself

Deleted everything from that folder

Launched the game

It's not fucking working

lmaoo

It selects default facility (1%) instead of zeranosFacility (9999%)

So basically, when it generates config. It doesn't set matching properties parameters

Got it working by setting config, since it doesn't set

them automatically

[zenith flax]

Show me that config

[smoky ocean]

^

[zenith flax]

I do not think the screenshot of content configuration set to false and nothing set to 9999 is what you were refering to but aight

[smoky ocean]

I set that bool to true and it works

My question is why it doesn't set the variables for levels at start

[unique geode]

@zenith flax I think I found a bug, Rosie has updated her Area71 interior to update the values for size multipliers and such and unlike usual the new values weren't auto adjusted in LLL, they had to be reset 🤔

I'm wondering why it's not auto applying the new values anymore like it used to

usually it would only not do that if you change say

Interior weights

But only for that modified entry

[zenith flax]

Not interested in helping you with this whatsoever

[unique geode]

I mean it's a LLL bug 😔

[zenith flax]

I have no reason to assume anything you say is true and I don't have the energy to interact with you in order to confirm or deny these claims

[unique geode]

I mean I never had this issue before the recent updates so I wanted to report it. This is also the first time an Interior has updated to change values and such since as well. Believe me or don't believe me I'm not really here to stir up issues or cause an argument with you just report the issue. Have a pleasant day

[slim wind]

setting a new default value of config entry doesn't change the set value

because that would be dumb

and would change on every game start

[unique geode]

It used to but I think that was cus entries became orpheaned before, unsure if that was fixed since

It used to always auto adjust values for me that I didn't manually change

anything manually changed wouldn't update

[slim wind]

bepinex did not do that at any point in the last year

[unique geode]

Maybe it was just some Windows 11 thing then cus I did downgrade to 10

🤷‍♀️

[slim wind]

what in the fuck are you talking about

no?

[unique geode]

I mean you're saying it shouldn't have auto updated values but it did idk what to tell you, unless maybe it's always just only auto updated moon settings but I swear I remember seeing Interior size adjustments update

Anyways I don't consider it a major issue or anything

Just noticed it didn't update it for once and figured it was a bug

lol

[slim wind]

you remember that LLL had config categories changing every game launch because the moon list changed, right?

[unique geode]

Yeah

[slim wind]

those config entries were generated every time and set to the default values

now it shouldn't happen because it's all generated only one time

[unique geode]

Okay yeah I was wondering if maybe the config issue was fixed where it would always generate the entries when you loaded a lobby after a game boot

cus that would make sense

[slim wind]

it does do that, but it shouldn't override values that are set already at any point

[unique geode]

Got you got you

[slim wind]

because that would be terrible user experience

[unique geode]

I know in the past it used to auto adjust values for me so long as I didn't adjust them manually though for interiors I have no idea as to why

[slim wind]

🤷

[unique geode]

Like if I were to adjust weights that wouldn't change

other settings auto updated to new values

XD

I always figured that was just intended but I guess that was a bug

Good to know

[undone quail]

ancient

[unique geode]

You were working on a moon?

XD

[whole mortar]

@zenith flax Forgot to update you on this, but loading assets via the AssetBundle callback is working correctly after switching it from the scene bundle!

There is no longer a random bozorosstuff file there

[zenith flax]

yipeee

[kindred pilot]

I got everything to work, but might I quickly ask how lethal handles scrap spawning and how this rarity slider affects that?

[tall kindle]

each scrap has a specific weight for each moon, a number of scrap is picked based on a min and max number provided by the moon and the scrap that DO spawn are decided by a weight raffle provided by said rarity slider

[kindred pilot]

Gotcha

Thanks

Is there any way i can see the weight values of base game scrap?

[crisp galleon]

The LLL config will show it but if you’re wanting to look in Unity then the scrap pools are within the moon data so you’d have to inspect their ScriptableObjects.

[void cove]

Hello, has the "Dynamic Dungeon Size restriction" config not working been reported here yet? I havent seen anything on it in here or on the github, but people have mentioned it to me
Today i tried CentralConfig, where it just imported the configs from LLL
And the difference is clear
Here is my Storehouse settings in LLL (Yes its disabled at the top, i did that after this in case it would conflict, previously it was on ofc)

Thats the interior generated with it on Triskelion

Here is it again, with the same values, in CentralConfig

The difference is very clear lol

[soft eagle]

you need to put the scaler value to 1

[void cove]

0.25 is closer to 0 than 1 so it should make it smaller regardless tho

[soft eagle]

i looked at the code, this description is wrong

[void cove]

Ah

So in that case, what possible values can it have?
1 is normal
and ig anything down to 0.1
What happens at 0?

[soft eagle]

At scaler = 1, size will be exactly between chosen min and max.
At 0 it will stay the same as in vanilla.
At value in between 0 and 1 it's a bit complicated:

• For min it checks if the original size is smaller than the min in the config, and if so increases the size to a value that is {scaler}% closer to the min from config
• For max it checks if the original size is bigger than the max in the config, and if so decreases the size to a value that is {scaler}% closer to the max from config

In general it uses this formula:
result = start + (end - start) * t
t - scaler
start, end - (original, min) or (max, original)

[void cove]

Hmmmm

I see
So i suppose at that point, whatever CC is doing is having a much more dramatic effect than LLL, hence the big difference
CC is doing something closer to what the original description says

[soft eagle]

I think what everybody wants is to just clamp the value between min and max, in that case setting scaler to 1 will do exactly that

If there aren't any bugs elsewhere

[main ravine]

this should be pinned

does CC dev know?

@jolly cargo I will ping either way in case it is brought up in the future lol

[jolly cargo]

Sup

[jolly cargo]

Yes

1 is a partial clamp (remains outside min/max
<1 is over clamp (moves past min/max
=1 brought exactly to the min/max
=0 no clamp
If it’s in the min/max it won’t move

The float multiplier is just an argument for dungen, each dungeon has a randomized int size and dungen generates dungeons using an int so a dungen can be 18-22 and picked at 20 times 1.05 so it will be size 21

There is only relatively safe size values as failure is always possible but larger and smaller sizes are less likely to succeed due to some tiles being mandatory(?) and it fails if a doorway isn’t connected to anything

I’m not sure why there is no smoothen step for it to patch doors to nowhere and whatever other errors; the facility and mineshaft are set up in a way that they can’t really hit a breakage due to some overlapping tiles I think? Just based on what it looks like to me

[maiden valley]

@iambata

ah

oops

[zenith flax]

hi

🙂

[maiden valley]

would it be okay with you if i looked into making a PR to fix custom interior stingers

to my knowledge they are broken since v60

to reiterate "FirstTimeDungeonAudio" does nothing on ExtendedDungeonFlow

i cant fully explain why but buttery knows more

[zenith flax]

ya whats the tldr on the problem tho

[tall kindle]

[maiden valley]

buttery is stacked atm

since v69 just came out

[zenith flax]

idk how their ids would overlap tho

[maiden valley]

im not entirely sure but i will say i never noticed poolrooms had a stinger until i started working on it

ive never heard it play since v60

[zenith flax]

stingers are dumb anyway they should play once per level not per save imo

[maiden valley]

revisit stingers fixes that

at least

revisit stingers has a system where the stingers play either

rarely or when its a "rare interior swap"

like when you get manor on exp

etc

[zenith flax]

hold up

i can fix this

[maiden valley]

ah, alr

[tall kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[zenith flax]

its possible it's only two lines

[maiden valley]

would it be possible to have a minimum distance that fire exits can generate from each other?

[zenith flax]

not from me

[tall kindle]

@hexed mesa is this a possible thing in your dungen mod?

[hexed mesa]

Short answer, no

@tall kindle

[tall kindle]

Okie

[safe tusk]

Its 2 am and I work in the morning so I'm not able to thoroughly test this but me friend's and I found a bug with the ## Override The Day Speed Multiplier For This Level. config option

We've been playing with the moon Flicker from
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1275707054564180009
and we wanted to be able to watch cartoons and stuff on the big monitor without having to leave mid way through the episode so I set the Day Speed Multiplier to 0.25

And as expected time moves hella slow lol which is great

but whats odd is once we go into space, seemingly regardless of what time we do, the deadline immediately sets itself to NOW and we wipe

[wet vortex]

Download whitespike's dayspeed patcher

[safe tusk]

👀

[wet vortex]

that is a known bug with base game

if the day speed isn't exactly 1 in base game it doesn't register days being passed correctly

it's most likely caused by leftover code from when the game used a real time system in old versions like v9

[safe tusk]

Oh facisnating

Ty for the help I'll be sure to add it tomorrow when I wake up

[nova obsidian]

I was wondering if it would be possible to allow LLL matching properties to be priority based rather than whatever gives the highest rarity?

For example, I can't set a custom rarity for specifically Rend that isn't below 35 because the route price rarity will override it.

I was wondering if planet name rarities could take priority over the ones?

[zenith flax]

This is unfortunately a super valid request/issue but it's difficulty to implement because I'm somewhat beholdant to the fact that these kinds of things are expected to be user configurable

[nova obsidian]

Hmm, I see.

Looking at the code for how rarities are updated, couldn't you introduce a new bool parameter for the UpdateRarity function to determine whether the "greater than" check should be used?

{
    if (newValue > currentValue && greaterThan)
    {``` something like this

[zenith flax]

I could, and then I need to handle the ideal reaction to if said rarity is now equal or less than 0

[nova obsidian]

I do understand the importance of things being configurable on the user's end. However, and I don't mean any offense to anyone saying this, there's just some people who will install mods without looking at configurations so it would be nice to fine-tune defaults.

I know it's on them ultimately, but still.

[zenith flax]

oh no im on your side on this personally

i think the community has wayyy to many expectations on things being configurable

butttt LLL is in a position where i try to be as non controversal as possible in practice

I do think a better solution for this exists but it's something I'm personally not approching sooner than later

You do have the option of disabling content configuration and handling stuff yourself

[smoky ocean]

Is there any way I can bypass this on my moon?

LLL doesn't add entrances to the list or something idk

[zenith flax]

Do you not have an entrance teleport on your moon?

[smoky ocean]

I have

At start I can start my level and fly from there

But I cannot start again

[zenith flax]

I’m not sure what’s going on there to be honest

[smoky ocean]

I guess it is because that I generate dungeon again on the level

Like in runtime

[zenith flax]

what do you mean?

like twice in the same day / scene load?

[smoky ocean]

I don't use any entrances on my moon. I use my elevator to go down/up and set if the player is in facility or nah w my script and sometimes when going down I generate dungeon again

So basically, inifinity facility

[zenith flax]

im sorry to say but like

you probably cannot do that

unfortunately this is not your problem, this is your first problem

your gonna hit a couple of these from LLL then triple or quaduple that from vanilla

[smoky ocean]

Everything works fine dw, I didn't even remove entrances

I think I have to show ya how it works

[zenith flax]

Feel free.

[smoky ocean]

Check DM

[zenith flax]

your dm doesn't explain much tbh

i'd need to see code

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors here

you'll have to to stick your hands into lll

[smoky ocean]

I see that LLL's list with entrances is null or doesn't have any elements but I don't understand why

[zenith flax]

i didn't design LLL for mutli dungeon loading

[smoky ocean]

I know but is there any way I could add entrances to the list by myself?

[zenith flax]

i sound like an asshole but

code

like just straight up

your probably gonna need to publicise lll and patch it directly

[smoky ocean]

shit

[zenith flax]

i don't have the time budget to offer any offical support in terms of a lll update or anything rn unfortunately

[smoky ocean]

They are deactivated when it loads my moon scene

Isn't GetComponentInChildren also includes inactive components?

[zenith flax]

no

not unless you say so

in this case theres reasons i'd want it to be like that too

[smoky ocean]

I activated them in my code and uh

everything works now fine

😐

yup I can fly there now

[zenith flax]

Can't believe it's almost been a year!

Only 8 days 🌝

[tall kindle]

shoulda released the mod 3 days later than u did

january 10th is a good day for this world

[zenith flax]

Jan 7th will be even better

[hexed mesa]

You beat me by 6 days

We like brothers or something

[zenith flax]

😄

[tall kindle]

both are 3 days away from a good day

[maiden valley]

hi @zenith flax,. sorry to bother but do you know why this method only runs properly on the host 👉👈 https://github.com/dopadream/RebalancedMoonsPlugin/blob/main/Plugin.cs#L426 this worked about about a month ago and im not really sure what changed but it seems to be only applying for the host now (bottom right) but the client (top left) always generates the vanilla march interior leading to interior desyncs

should i Not be forcefully changing the interior selections this way

[maiden valley]

i even tried doing this all through a clientrpc event and its still only generating level1flow3exits for non-host :V

am gonna deprecate the mod for now until i can figure this out

[slim wind]

that's interesting

LLL does sync that info on its own, right?

so i assume you'd have to patch LLL's method for selecting/syncing the dungeon and replace it with your info there

[maiden valley]

but i could've sworn setextendeddungeonflowmatches was run on both client and server? 🥹

maybe not??

[slim wind]

*i'm not sure as well 😭 *

[zenith flax]

Not on pc for a week but you may be wanting to use the rpcs i use in my networkmanager

[maiden valley]

OH yeah a quick glance and you might be right

[zenith flax]

2025 but 8,000,000 downloads

Thank you all 🙏

[crisp galleon]

Wow! That's over 7,999,999!

[mellow flame]

is there a way to increase the amount/value of scrap on a interior rather than a whole moon

[crisp galleon]

Maybe through something like CentralConfig but I don’t think with just LLL

I think custom scrap could use a LevelMatchingProperties to only be in a certain interior but that’s kind of a different thing and also not vanilla scrap

[mellow flame]

alr thx

[zenith flax]

Got back from a holiday and my GPU is acting up 😭

[crisp galleon]

Tech troubles!

[zenith flax]

Also no promises and apologies for the tags but @maiden valley @slim wind @hexed mesa any little stupid things LLL is doing that i maybe offhand mentioned i'd fix. If you guys have the time would super appreciate having those be issues on the github

[crisp galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/おめでとう-嬉しい-クラッカー-お祝い-可愛い-gif-15780951

[zenith flax]

they don't have to be elaborate issues or anything i just have very perscribed add and forget shit very fast

Oh and specifically @maiden valley, If you have feedback / suggestions about how LLL does things and like if you would ideally like a window of opportunity in any part of it or any event or non patchy way to mess with something I’d love to hear that in an issue too

[zenith flax]

does anyone use my dayhistory stuff

@slim wind

[slim wind]

I am not 🥺

[tall kindle]

Day history, was that the thing that gave you interior info from previous days?

[zenith flax]

Yeee

[hexed mesa]

i checked my codes, i have no real complaints about LLL currently

[shadow idol]

Not sure if this is a LLL specific issue, but thats my current theory considering I have custom weights set for interiors. I seem to be unable to generate the mineshaft interior, even though it has a higher weight than the facility on a good portion of my moons. As far as I am aware its not just bad luck because out of 10 landings on vow (60% mineshaft chance) I have gotten the facility all 10 times. Has anyone else experienced this?

[crisp galleon]

I can still get it so it's not a LLL issue. Don't know what it might be though

[shadow idol]

I eventually was able to get it after landing ~20 times. Mustve been a strange anomaly with the chances

Youd think 50/50 odds would be enough to see it more than once out of the 20 times lol

[crisp galleon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shadow idol]

Thanks anyways though

[maiden valley]

is manual planet sorting impossible

sorting by price/dif isnt really cutting it for me

[crisp galleon]

I believe so unfortunately

[zenith flax]

It’s possible just not something I’ve implemented

the tldr behind the moons list is that it’s a list of lists of levels

so it’s very easy to manipulate

[zenith flax]

Some stuff coming as soon as I fix my github actions and like two other things

[zenith flax]

No promises for it being in upcoming but just gauging vibes

Would ya'll want level tags on simulate?

Seems possibly helpful and thematically friendly

[abstract bobcat]

Godsend for interior by tags for moons with custom ones

[hexed mesa]

@zenith flax the LLL you provided me, is there any particular reason to why it doesn't recognize my interior?

[zenith flax]

yeah

dw about that

[hexed mesa]

but i can't test my map changes

and i can't be bothered to fix my LLL version to the working version

help my laziness

[zenith flax]

😭

[slim wind]

is there an update coming? 😮

[maiden valley]

ye batby is testing some fancy stuff

might be pretty huge (at least for me) if all goes well

its hush hush though I think

[acoustic sonnet]

😉

[hexed mesa]

@zenith flax you think you'll be able to provide a fixed LLL tonight or should I switch to the live version for now?

[zenith flax]

I don't wanna make any promises

apologies for the weird in-between vibe

[whole mortar]

Removing uses of LLL events is an option

Take your time though lol, I personally don't mind waiting a bit longer for a more polished/stable update

[maiden valley]

Hey so sorry for mentioning this again (this is the last time I will bring this up) but if we had a way to control how close fire exits can generate next to each other inside the interior that would actually be huge, i think that's my most wanted feature

[zenith flax]

think lady raph is already cooking that up

[maiden valley]

She did mention to me she would put that on the back burner but i kinda took that as a "i probably won't do this for a while" but if that's true then awesome

[hexed mesa]

I forget what motivated me to do it, but I did it

You would have to use my DunGenExtender system, but it should be mega simple to setup.

[maiden valley]

did?

[zenith flax]

raph have you done vertical doorways yet

[maiden valley]

already??

[hexed mesa]

That's way too spooky for me to even try

at this time

[zenith flax]

ok i get to swing at it first

yippeeeee

(only as like a post-processing step tho not in a way that lets dungen know about it during generation)

[hexed mesa]

I was about to ramble but really there's like a lot of ways of getting it working. I'll let you figure it out your way

[hexed mesa]

It works (seemingly anyway) but I'm finishing my interior stuff before I push both out.

I was like waiting for Batby to push his update that he spooked me so much about but like, I'm still waiting, so I got caught up in updating my own mod.

[slim wind]

oh damn

[maiden valley]

[slim wind]

is that gonna work for all interiors or only ones using your API?

[maiden valley]

OMGG

im assuming the latter

[zenith flax]

well i think dopadream is gonna be implementing it on the vanilla ones

[hexed mesa]

only my API, but like it's dead simple to setup

[slim wind]

that's amazing

[zenith flax]

someone can prob just make a little mod to apply it to all

[maiden valley]

ye and i was already planning on using her api anyways

[slim wind]

please do

[maiden valley]

i have been planning a vanilla dungen remix mod for a bit and this was the only thing keeping me from doing it Lol

so i am definitely going to now

[severe hornet]

Does anyone know why by default hidden vanilla moons are popped into LLL as Hidden = False? Or is this something funky on my end

[maiden valley]

im holding back every fiber of my being to name it dopagen

[zenith flax]

sounds dope

[maiden valley]

oh also

yes LLL does this

i cant explain why tho

but ya u cant edit whether or not the hidden vanilla moons are hidden

[severe hornet]

Yeah gotcha, so for that I definitely need an external mod e.g. the vanilla hidden moons mod(?)

[maiden valley]

unfortunately yeah

[severe hornet]

Silly Batby

[maiden valley]

they both kinda suck too from what i remember they both show gordion

[severe hornet]

kidding, godbless

[maiden valley]

i should make one proper

[severe hornet]

Oh like as an additional moon?

[maiden valley]

yeah i tried some and they kept either showing gordion or liquidation as a separate moon

which peeved me a bit

[severe hornet]

Description literally says "Shows all moons except Gordion and Liquidation"

[maiden valley]

i mean try it but i recall having issues with it

[maiden valley]

thank you again for this 🥹 i appreciate it greatly

[zenith flax]

in interiors chat 😄

[true void]

How do you change the route word in the terminal for a moon?

[true void]

I've been getting this error on a couple of my moons and I'm not sure what's causing it

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object Stack trace: LethalLevelLoader.DungeonLoader.PrepareDungeon () (at ./Loaders/DungeonLoader.cs:41) LethalLevelLoader.Patches.DungeonGeneratorGenerate_Prefix (DunGen.DungeonGenerator __instance) (at ./General/Patches.cs:590) (wrapper dynamic-method) DunGen.DungeonGenerator.DMD<DunGen.DungeonGenerator::Generate>(DunGen.DungeonGenerator) DunGen.RuntimeDungeon.Generate () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_002C) DunGen.RuntimeDungeon.Start () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0008)

It doesn't seem to cause any problems that I can see. The moon and the interior seem to load fine

[surreal cypress]

While I understand what Dynamic Route Price List does, I don't understand what Dynamic Level Tag List does? And also what kind of values do I have to enter to those configs?

I could technically do it all manually, but this seems actually more practible, if you have installed a lot of moons and interiors

[crisp galleon]

They’re tags moons can have. Like Tundra:100 gives any moon with the Tundra tag a 100 weight for that interior. Some common tags: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WO77KGJplIEC64qmBClOgfEEoFxrhMurCEqe9FKod8I/htmlview#

There’s a tab for selectable level and it lists vanilla moons but modded ones likely use some of those too

[surreal cypress]

Understandable. And what about the Dynamic Route Price List? It definitely doesn't use the tags

[crisp galleon]

I think it’s based on moon price. Don’t think I’ve really used it before.

[surreal cypress]

Yeah, but what do I type in exactly? Is it the same for example: Vanilla:100? Or do I have to change something in it?

[abstract bobcat]

Price:Weight and/or Price-Price:Weight i.e. 0:100 and/or 500-1500:200

[surreal cypress]

Thank you👍

[hexed mesa]

@zenith flax when you updating LLL

sorta waiting for that to update before I push mine

[frozen vine]

whenever I try to leave a moon I get stuck in the ship, or when I die im stuck in spectator

[crisp galleon]

That's probably an issue with something else, not LLL.

[maiden valley]

no logs = didnt happen

[zenith flax]

Tomorrow.

[young acorn]

how do i fix this for one of my custom enemies?

[crisp galleon]

Sounds like it’s missing something from enemyai. Not sure if there’s a full script missing or what though

[young acorn]

uses a custom ai script

[tall kindle]

Its missing the script entirely

Does your script inherit EnemyAI

Cuz it's saying that it doesnt

You can't make an enemy that doesn't inherit EnemyAI

[young acorn]

i don't know, i didn't write it 🥹

[tall kindle]

Can you show the components on the root of the prefab

[tall kindle]

Well it's not the problem but the tag needs to be the enemy tag too

Do you have the blindpupai script anywhere I can see?

[young acorn]

in what way?

[tall kindle]

In a text document or anything lol

[young acorn]

OH WAIT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT I MIGHT'VE FORGOTTEN TO INCLUDE THE ENEMY AI IN THE MOD

[zenith flax]

me wanting to update with only 1 hour of sleep

[tall kindle]

All my coderebirth updates happen like 8am, and then I sleep for a very long time, I don't think it's ever went well but I cope

[zenith flax]

if i update im being awake for quite abit afterwards

i don't like to drop n dip

[digital breach]

lmao most my updates are pushed around 4AM my time and then I wake up to a couple notifications ~8 hours later

[zenith flax]

its very possible i fucked up somewhere in this

and i break things

so i wanna fix them asapp

[digital breach]

thats fair, you also have a fuckton of other mods depending on your updates

an update to LLL is damn near the same as an update to base-game

[slim wind]

update, a quick nap

and then the flood happens

trust me

[leaden citrus]

What would cause a moon to have Unviable ExtendedDungeonFlows?

[zenith flax]

unviable just means no rarity on that moon

my logs wise

[leaden citrus]

This is what I got in my logs when going to the moon Clock Town

[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Getting Random DungeonFlows!
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] ExtendedLevel <-> ExtendedDungeonFlow Dynamic Matching Report.

Info For ExtendedLevel: Clock TownExtendedLevel | Planet Name: Clock Town | Content Tags: Custom | Route Price: 0 | Current Weather: Foggy
Unviable ExtendedDungeonFlows: Facility, Haunted Mansion, Facility, Facility, Mineshaft, Area71, Mental Hospital, Grand Armory, Mantif Dungeon, Scarlet Devil Mansion, School Flow, SCP Foundation, Warehouse, The Rubber Rooms, HyperionStation, Tomb, Toy Store
Viable ExtendedDungeonFlows:

[Error  :LethalLevelLoader] No ExtendedDungeonFlow's could be found! This should only happen if the Host's requireMatchesOnAllDungeonFlows is set to true!
[Error  :LethalLevelLoader] Loading Facility DungeonFlow to prevent infinite loading!
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Setting Random DungeonFlows!
[Warning:LethalLevelLoader] Disabling LethalLib Dungeon.RoundManager_GenerateNewFloor() Function To Prevent Conflicts
[Info   :dev.ladyalice.dungenplus] Did not load a DunGenExtenderer
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Fire Exit Patch Report, Details Below;

EntranceTeleport's Found, Clock Town Contains 9 Entrances! ( 8 Fire Escapes)
Main Entrance: EntranceTeleportA (Entrance ID: 0)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 1)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 2)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 3)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 4)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 5)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 6)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 7)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 8)
Found Fire Escape GlobalProp: (ID: 1231), Modifying Spawn rate Count From (1,1) To (8,8)


[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Created New Day History Log! PlanetName: Clock Town ,Facility ,Quota: 0 , Day: 1 , Weather: Foggy

[zenith flax]

oh thats not great hey

god have mercy on a interiors trying to spawn 8 entrances my god

[leaden citrus]

Is that why?

[zenith flax]

nah

im a little rusty on my own stuff to an extent so forgive me but if you go into lll config you should be able to set logging to all or developer or something like that

then logs should tell you exactly why rarity is being done i think?

[zenith flax]

it should be another mod causing this that is intentionally messing with lll for whatever reason

all should be fine yeah

[leaden citrus]

You have a logging level for yourself

[zenith flax]

developer is for people making stuff w/ the api not myself 😄

iambatby log level is

[leaden citrus]

Hehehehe x3

Here is my log file if you would be able to see why that is happening

I just tested the moon in a new modpack with only the required mods and this is what I got in my logs.

[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Getting Random DungeonFlows!
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] ExtendedLevel <-> ExtendedDungeonFlow Dynamic Matching Report.

Info For ExtendedLevel: Clock TownExtendedLevel | Planet Name: Clock Town | Content Tags: Custom | Route Price: 0 | Current Weather: None
Unviable ExtendedDungeonFlows: Facility, Facility, Mineshaft
Viable ExtendedDungeonFlows: Facility (300), Haunted Mansion (1)

[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Setting Random DungeonFlows!
[Warning:LethalLevelLoader] Disabling LethalLib Dungeon.RoundManager_GenerateNewFloor() Function To Prevent Conflicts
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Fire Exit Patch Report, Details Below;

EntranceTeleport's Found, Clock Town Contains 9 Entrances! ( 8 Fire Escapes)
Main Entrance: EntranceTeleportA (Entrance ID: 0)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 1)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 2)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 3)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 4)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 5)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 6)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 7)
Alternate Entrance: EntranceTeleportB (Entrance ID: 8)
Found Fire Escape GlobalProp: (ID: 1231), Modifying Spawn rate Count From (1,1) To (8,8)


[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Created New Day History Log! PlanetName: Clock Town ,Facility ,Quota: 0 , Day: 1 , Weather: None

[zenith flax]

well thats good

[leaden citrus]

The interior has weird lighting though

[zenith flax]

thats on the moons end

[leaden citrus]

TwT

[zenith flax]

wish me luck

[crisp galleon]

Good luck!

[errant lotus]

Wow, LLL Update?

[zenith flax]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/

LethalLevelLoader v1.4.0

• Overhauled AssetBundleLoading System.
• Introduced Streaming AssetBundle Hot-Reloading Feature.

[whole mortar]

look inside

[crisp galleon]

Is this the bundle loading I hope it is?

[zenith flax]

LethalLevelLoader 1.4.0 - The Hot-Reloading Edition

What is Hot-Reloading?

Custom Content is primarily stored in compressed files called AssetBundles. These files are loaded by mods at runtime so it can be loaded by game. Currently a majority of these AssetBundles are loaded into memory at all times, even when the content in said AssetBundles is not in use. In larger modpacks this causes significant memory usage, primarily from custom Moon's due to their natural usage of large and unique assets.

Hot-Reloading is a concept and feature being introduced to the latest LethalLevelLoader that allows the API to dynamically load and unload custom moon AssetBundle's when they are and are not required. When you route to a custom moon LethalLevelLoader will load up that moon's AssetBundle and when you depart from that moon LethalLevelLoader will unload that moon.

What Does This Mean For Authors?

The 1.4.0 update and it's hot-reloading feature is not a mod-breaking change and does not require any changes from mod authors. However, In order to receive the benefits from this system authors may need to slightly adjust how their content is packaged (more information on this can be found in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1329604473667981443)

What Does This Mean For Users?

Once a majority of custom moon mods are able to utilize the Hot-Reloading feature, Users can expect to utilize significantly less ram usage while in-game. Here's an example comparison using a custom version of Generic's GenericMoons mod.

In Ship Lobby (No Custom Moons) - 1,130mb RAM Usage
In Ship Lobby (Public Generic Mod Release) - 1,400mb RAM Usage
In Ship Lobby (Custom Generic's Mod Release) - 1,160 RAM Usage

Conclusion

Once authors adapt to this change the Lethal Company community should hopefully receive a massive decrease of overall RAM usage, as well as preventing custom moons from scaling up RAM usage in general. In the future I'd love to look into offering hot-reloading support for custom Interiors as well but the increased difficulty of dynamic network prefab registration makes it out of scope for this current update.

I have tried hard to make this update as stable as possible but introducing a feature like this without breaking pre-existing mods is a very complicated process and their may initially be problems found on release. While I considered releasing this update as some sort of Experimental branch, This kind of feature is something I would prefer authors adapted to as soon as possible so it can settle in as soon as possible. Apologies for any inconvenience during this process, Please bare with me while issues are found and solved.

This improvement to the API and the modding community is something I'm really happy to finally release and is something I've been wanting to work on for quite awhile. Unfortunately the current job market where I reside has prevented me from investing time into developing mods due to financial concerns. This update would not be possible if not for @acoustic sonnet & @grizzled bronze being kind and generous enough to help financially support it's development. I cannot express how grateful I am for the trust and support that comes from this opportunity, Thank you.

While I will never paywall my mods or anything in that vein, If the community is interested in financially supporting my ability to create systems, tools and mods for Lethal Company I would absolutely be interested in providing more cool and beneficial mods for Lethal Company. Please reach out if your someone who may consider supporting the development of anything I've previously showcased or any idea in general! (More info on specifics coming soon)

[errant lotus]

I think you should post this on #mod-showcase so that moon developers get the message as soon as possible without the need to ping them one by one

[zenith flax]

Most moon authors have been given a heads up for a lil' bit now

[errant lotus]

oh, gotcha then :]

[zenith flax]

don't expect any crazy ram differences from the get-go as authors will need to ensure their content is bundled in a way that can be correctly hot-reloaded

oh yeah @whole mortar this should break borozos afaik but recompiling while referencing this new one should fix without any code changes

it's just c# being dumb

[whole mortar]

Yee I'm on it

Thanks for reminder though

[zenith flax]

i moved this delegate from outside of ExtendedEvent class and even though it's functionally identical c# treats it as a different thing compile wise

oh also i did the thing i should of done earlier and the log about removing items because they have 0 rarity is now a Log and not a LogError

oh and @maiden valley extendedlevels should be networkserializable now

i think i tested it..

you can use NetworkExtendedLevelReference like you would NetworkObjectReference

[acoustic sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-fun-white-cat-dance-cool-and-fun-times-gif-16435335956387921912

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-buzz-dab-me-up-dab-up-gif-26395273

[maiden valley]

i have been waiting so long for this you have no idea 😭

not THAT long but like

the anticipation was killing me

also batby you DIDNT TELL ME AAAAAAAA

[zenith flax]

I'll/You'll have to confirm if rebalanced is working nicely with it

I tried testing this as much as possible but it's shockingly hard to consistently test this at such a small scale

[maiden valley]

ITS OUT FINALLY !?

[zenith flax]

It is indeed

[maiden valley]

i shouldn't have to do anything on my end from what you told me in the past

[zenith flax]

As far as I know I don't actually have any of telling if bundles are setup in a way that allows them to be hot-loaded correctly so i just have to cross my fingers and look at ram usage from task manager which can be inconsistent at times

[maiden valley]

it should just worktm right

[zenith flax]

It should

I'll be keeping my eye on it

[acoustic sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210

[maiden valley]

this is actually huge cuz one of my friends who i play with plays on a potato and the ram usage is a big problemo

so tysm for this batbby

[zenith flax]

I'm just glad I got to do it 😄

10-ish days were taken off as a break but starting working on this 22nd of dec

[digital breach]

forgive my ignorance but will PatchedContent.ExtendedLevels still have a complete listing of levels following your onSetupComplete event?

[zenith flax]

yeah so this only dynamically reloads the scene

which we can do because it ends up just being a string reference

[digital breach]

Gotcha 🫡

I'm looking thru the diff on github but figured i'd ask while you're here

[zenith flax]

the code is somewhat messy

[whole mortar]

Oh wait v1.4.0 hasn't been uploaded to NuGet yet, right?

I'll just reference the dll directly for now

[crisp galleon]

As any good code is

[zenith flax]

yeah sorry my github actions are cooked

mrov's been too busy to check it out

[digital breach]

am i still cool to keep using the onSetupComplete event for getting a list of moons?

[zenith flax]

the only mod-breaking change should be if a mod is referencing ParameterEvent<T>

thats it

[digital breach]

okay cool, I think LethalConstellations should be gucci then

[zenith flax]

ill see if i can push to nuget manually

nuget should be good?

[maiden valley]

if i wanted to add custom footstep sounds could i do it through LLL

[zenith flax]

i don't know if that works rn

suprisingly custom footsteps is by far the hardest custom content i've tried to add

[maiden valley]

oh i see haha

ive never looked into how that stuff works so idk how invasive it would be for me to do it manually thru a postfix

[soft eagle]

You'll need a transpiler I think

[maiden valley]

nvm

[soft eagle]

At least I had to use one for snow

[maiden valley]

https://tenor.com/view/open-close-open-twitter-twitter-gif-14219882

[soft eagle]

It's not thaaat bad lol

[maiden valley]

transpilers scare me im so bad at understanding the ilcode stuff in dnspy 😭

its like genuinely so overwhelming

okay this scared the fuck out of me but

making a new lobby fixed it

[zenith flax]

its based on tags

[maiden valley]

not sure if this is relevant batby

but when i loaded an old save i had already routed onto my embrion and tried landing this happened

making a new one and routing there it worked fine

[zenith flax]

heard

[rough escarp]

DUDE if i could pay you a thousand dollars i could holy fuck......

this is just absolute peak

[zenith flax]

Thank you ❤️

[rough escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-dance-clock-dance-it's-time-for-the-itft-gif-1527358667858399734

[acoustic sonnet]

who needs savings lol

DO IT

BE IN DEBT

[rough escarp]

thats the problem

im BROKE AS FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[acoustic sonnet]

sell a kidney, your sounding like a noob rn

its literally free money

[rough escarp]

i gotta step up my game.....

thank you for opening my eyes, i will now sell 10 kidneys to fund iambatgoat's mods

[zenith flax]

I gotta work on it a bit more but in regards to that I do have a list of projects/ideas I have interest in and I think the community would like. If the community is interested in crowdfunding these projects like mini kickstarters I would be very keen for it

[acoustic sonnet]

ofc batby fully supports organ trafficking right

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

[rough escarp]

stargazer

[acoustic sonnet]

one day (3 years)

[zenith flax]

🙂

[rough escarp]

2031 guys!!!!!!

yeah!!

[acoustic sonnet]

What im waiting on is Tremor 2

lol

[rough escarp]

oh my god i forgot batby made tremor

[zenith flax]

god it would be wild to try modding terraria again

[zenith flax]

took over ownership, not original author

t2 was me tho ye

[rough escarp]

yeah makes sense

which one of the games do you think its easier to mod?

[zenith flax]

terraria lmaoo

by far

but when i was doing terraria modding i didn't know how to program

[acoustic sonnet]

Then after you left orion teased us for years about developing it before canceling lol (not mad it was just funny to be in the server for that long)

[zenith flax]

😭

[rough escarp]

no wonder lucille can pull out some batshit crazy stuff

[zenith flax]

I have a google doc written up somewhere for a NPC system overhaul mod i'd love to mess with some day

[acoustic sonnet]

Tremor 3 and 4 bouta be even more crazy

2077

earliest

[rough escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYS00wlP8Kw

LOOK AT THIS!!!!!

[acoustic sonnet]

ive loved the advent of shaders that came off of the empress of life

tho im still gonna miss pinky mod 😢

[rough escarp]

never heard of that one

[zenith flax]

did Rartrin ever release that wrapping world mod he prototyped

[acoustic sonnet]

I just meant the trend of using shaders in mods

after empress of light used them

[rough escarp]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[acoustic sonnet]

I dont think soo

[abstract bobcat]

oh

[zenith flax]

instead of world cutting off at oceans it naturally wrapped around to the oppisite end's ocean

[acoustic sonnet]

Nameless deity is crazy

[zenith flax]

was really cool

[acoustic sonnet]

prob would have heard about it if it did

[acoustic sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK8ocadf4OU

[abstract bobcat]

jesus

is this Calamity

[acoustic sonnet]

addon for calamity

[maiden valley]

no, Xeroc

[abstract bobcat]

oh ok

[acoustic sonnet]

his hands are the jesus statue in rio im pretty sure tho

[maiden valley]

im just being cheeky

[rough escarp]

100%

[acoustic sonnet]

I prefer his exo mech rework tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2krQhHTVKw

[zenith flax]

Just found all the old terraria stuff i had thats crazy

Worked on a project w/ Duranni at one point that had this concepted event which was super rad

think some of this got repurposed somewhere?

[acoustic sonnet]

im 99% sure no, in fact havent seen any old assets from yalls projects come up

besides the antiaris elemental hearts

of all things

id love something like this tho

not enough mods do events

nowadays

[maiden valley]

guys did you know batby added scene hot loading

[acoustic sonnet]

why is that relevant? this is obviously the terraria group chat

lol

I havent done a proper run in ages

[maiden valley]

i only play thorium tbh

[zenith flax]

and extendedlevel networkserilisation which is lowkey better

[maiden valley]

so i have nothing to add

[maiden valley]

i tbh dont think i have a use for it rn

[acoustic sonnet]

play mod of redeption

NOW

[maiden valley]

but ye its pretty cool

[rough escarp]

i need to replay my calamity infernum playthrough

i got through all of pre-hardmode

and then i stopped at hardmode

[maiden valley]

i lowkey kinda dont like calamity

[acoustic sonnet]

never enjoyed infernum after moon lord

[rough escarp]

i just like some challenge

https://tenor.com/view/armenian-cory-cory-cory-spazkid-oneyplays-oneyng-gif-1935279503493896775

[maiden valley]

yeee thats fair

i def see the appeal

its cool

just not my thing

[zenith flax]

i don't like calamity because it feels like a indie game using terraria rather than a terraria mod

[rough escarp]

it was literally the most exiting part for me 😭

[acoustic sonnet]

I just dont enjoy the fights

[maiden valley]

the creator overseeing everything is also kind of a dick but ion wanna get into that

[rough escarp]

ig im a difficulty enjoyer

except DoG though

[acoustic sonnet]

I prefer the more lowkey stuff like the mechs

[rough escarp]

from what ive seen its 95% bs

[zenith flax]

oh they were an absolute freak when i used to be involved

[acoustic sonnet]

the overhauled mechs are so fun

[rough escarp]

and 5% skill

[acoustic sonnet]

I prefer eternity mode

I have way more fun there

[rough escarp]

and them being depicted as drunk 100% of the time

ehh.......................... idk man

[rough escarp]

i have GOT to do eternity someday too

[acoustic sonnet]

bruh he used patreon money for nsfw art of his OC version of himself and not to pay his comodders 😭

[maiden valley]

i like thorium because the new classes are rlly silly, they're kinda unpractical sometimes but playing as a healer was kinda fun for me lol

[rough escarp]

He what now.

[abstract bobcat]

Bard was peak

[maiden valley]

bard is so peak

[acoustic sonnet]

besides thrower they are good coop classes

[zenith flax]

i want you to know your money to me did not go towards that lmaooo

[rough escarp]

bard IS peak

park

[acoustic sonnet]

and thrower is being overhauled

[rough escarp]

bard was my first ever pick for thorium years ago lol

i wonder how much it changed

[acoustic sonnet]

ot much yet unless you use the thorium bosses overhaul mod

which is peak

[maiden valley]

yo? send

[rough escarp]

that mod didnt exist back when i played it

[acoustic sonnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYSsBx7fli8

[rough escarp]

ig ill get it...

[acoustic sonnet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3070717963

[maiden valley]

owo

[rough escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-peak-its-peak-peak-it's-phenomenal-phenomenal-gif-1607096610738621263

[maiden valley]

UGH i just want 1.4.5 bro

give me my jungle juice red

[acoustic sonnet]

the primordial but actually good lol

still kinda bs hard tho haha

but its fun

[rough escarp]

i kinda like bs sometimes lol

it makes me lock in

[acoustic sonnet]

as I was gonna say eternity is so much better than it used to be(making everything higher quality and not just reworking vanilla bosses but adding new ones through all of progression)

newest boss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7huSiSYBZg&t=52s

[rough escarp]

i thought that was secrets of the shadows lmfao

idk if its that mod that adds a pyramid desert boss

[acoustic sonnet]

it is

tho its a custom pyramid

[rough escarp]

OHHHH

[acoustic sonnet]

btw they added mod compat for the mutant(rn just calamity) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqZMxnjG454

also has eternity calamity bosses(not all done yet)

[rough escarp]

peak..

[maiden valley]

@zenith flax i have a question about the hot reloading stuff

does it load all of my extended mod's assets, or just the ones required for the current scene

?

[zenith flax]

your scene bundle gets hot reloaded

your non-scene bundle does not

[maiden valley]

ah

so everything in it then

is it possible to have multiple scene lethalbundles perchance lol

idr if ive asked before

[zenith flax]

yeah it should just work

[maiden valley]

eyes

gonna do some tests

[slow kraken]

Just noticed with the latest LLL update, you can pull the ship’s lever in the middle of travelling to a moon, which you couldn’t before. Nothing happens though.

[maiden valley]

:< no good

this bumps the filesize all the way up to 150mb

not worth

[zenith flax]

i gotta add a way to set it up but ideally you would have a non streaming bundle that contains your shared assets and then they would rely on that

[maiden valley]

is there any way i can do this myself?

or nah

[oblique owl]

since updating my game seems to now softlock at company building, only this and two other mods which i dont believe should have caused this were the only ones i updated but it worked last time i played

unsure if anyone else is experiencing problems, but just curious

[steady ingot]

Do you have anything in logs?

[oblique owl]

ok, im getting the impression it doesnt have to do with this mod actually, but unsure

[acoustic sonnet]

could be a weird conflict with the new update

and another mod you got

[oblique owl]

lethallib it seems like?

either that, or its lethallib attempting to fix whatever is causing it

[whole mortar]

Oh is it trying to generate a dungeon at the company?

Thonk

[oblique owl]

lmao is that whats going on

[acoustic sonnet]

you have any mods for setting where dungeons spawn?

like Lethal quanities or Central config

[oblique owl]

nope

the only things that mess with anything major is fumo company which adds scrap, and LCR which messes with loot/enemy tables

also immortal snail i guess since that adds an enemy but thats as far as i went with actually manipulating the game itself

the rest are just like cosmetic shit

[zenith flax]

I'd need a full log

[oblique owl]

where do i go to find it again?

[rough escarp]

mod loader configs > copy log to clipboard

[steady ingot]

Modmanager -> settings -> profile folder - and drop the log here OR same place should also have an extract logs or something like that

[steady ingot]

Yeah this

[acoustic sonnet]

yalll are both wrong hes asking for LOGS, you know where logs come from, TREES

[steady ingot]

[acoustic sonnet]

yall are conspiring against the great log empire

[rough escarp]

and where do TREES come from?? seeds.

[oblique owl]

i hope this is the right one

no it is not

[steady ingot]

Hold on, youre on to something

[oblique owl]

that is from april????

[rough escarp]

you got the wrong thing lol

[oblique owl]

wtf

[rough escarp]

you on thunderstore?

[oblique owl]

yeah

[steady ingot]

Get it from the profile you just used

[rough escarp]

send a screenshot

[oblique owl]

i did lol

[rough escarp]

what did you press most importantly??

search for logs

[oblique owl]

i clicked "Copy log file contents to clipboard"

and then pasted the result

[rough escarp]

oh

uh

weird

[steady ingot]

Nvm looked at it

This is the correct log

[oblique owl]

oh

i just assumed wrong cause of date at the top

[rough escarp]

there we go

we did it!

[oblique owl]

this still doesnt seem right to me

[whole mortar]

Time travelling mod manager

[zenith flax]

pretty sure another mod is causing this

[oblique owl]

the only names i see are lethallib and LLL

the errors dont seem to mention anything else but i have no idea

[zenith flax]

theres a dungeongenerator in the company scene

thats not me

[oblique owl]

lmao i see

ill try testing

[noble lynx]

[04:05:29.5591516] [Warning: LogNeuter] Saving LogNeuter config blocked for data loss prevention
[04:05:29.6099285] [Info :LethalPeformance.Patcher] Saved 159 config(s)
[04:05:30.0604830] [Info :LethalPeformance.Patcher] Saved 1 config(s)
[04:05:30.7283934] [Warning: Unity Log] Failed to change display to ExclusiveFullscreen...reverting to FullscreenWindow
[04:05:30.7369083] [Warning:LethalLevelLoader] SceneManager has attempted to load InitScene Scene before AssetBundles have finished loading. Pausing request until LethalLevelLoader is ready to proceed.

Is there any way around this?

[zenith flax]

no

[rough escarp]

do you have mods that skip the "online/LAN" thing on startup?

that often happened to me

[noble lynx]

I will check

[oblique owl]

this is quite perplexing

i found the culprit first try lol

it was LCR, which is interesting because they had an update but it was just that they updated their readme

well sorry for the bother then, thanks for looking at that for me

[unique geode]

Maybe NavMeshInCompany?

If they have it

I'll see if I can repro this

[unique geode]

Ahhhh I see glad you found it

[oblique owl]

i sent it to the maker for that and hes looking at it, appreciate all the help

[noble lynx]

tried searching for mods that skip online on startup, ones that speed up asset loading on startup, as well as deleting my cached assets. None of these seemed to fix the issue

[unique geode]

I also noticed I got the game to boot up once fine and every subsequent boot it froze on the selection screen

Downgrading LLL fixes it, It might be a compat issue with Faster Load.

Nope it still makes the selection screen super laggy on load

Something is weird

Okay well waiting a bit gets it to load

[acoustic sonnet]

weird it seems to working fine on my end

[unique geode]

But the selection screen lags badly

[acoustic sonnet]

tho im not on my main chunkier profile rn

so maybe thats why

[unique geode]

This is from uhhh HarvestMoons right?

Could be why

Yeah it is okay

I saw Small Dog and missed it mentioning Harvest Moons

Yeah that is doing it

[zenith flax]

no its not

[unique geode]

I can send you the full log

[zenith flax]

no thanks

[rough escarp]

how does an entity influence lll???

[whole mortar]

Harvest moons was doing some weird stuff with the small dogs though iirc

[rough escarp]

autumnis did mention something about the blind pups

[whole mortar]

Not sure if everything got sorted out with them

[unique geode]

I mean, nothing else showed any errors relating to LLL stuff so I figured the log might help

Okay it still lags with Harvest Moons disabled but it is a bit more responsive

and doesn't take as long to load after hitting Online

So Harvest Moons isn't the culprit Batby is right, but it was influencing it

[whole mortar]

Oh isn't it just loading all the moons? You might just be used to loading times with Faster Load

Didn't think it'd be compatible with the hot-reloading stuff without changes

[unique geode]

Possible

[unique geode]

I also know GI hooks into that screen so I'll have to see if it could be some interaction there too

[humble comet]

is there any reason a moon is not being showed and locked if u force going into it

[acoustic sonnet]

sounds like a hidden moon, and sometimes they dont use their name as the routing word

usually if its in a moon pack the route word is hidden on other moons

[humble comet]

the thing is its only happening to this one guy hosting but others are fine
they can only go to like 1 vanilla moon and 1 modded moon out of 10 lol

they cant even go to experimentation so only others in the lobby can route there but this one guy

[acoustic sonnet]

yall's mods are the same?

[humble comet]

the guy having the problem is the one who export

thsi is all the list but for some reason they only got like rockwell and one other moon i dont rememeber the name

[zenith flax]

Can u ask them to wait like 30sec on the online / lan mode screen

[humble comet]

ill keep that in mind next time they play again

[unique geode]

Ah yeah I see the console shows it's unloading the bundles on that screen

[ember shore]

So how does the dynamic loading of bundles change the LLL performance?

i am guessing it launches faster and takes less ram to launch?

But the bundles have to be loaded eventually when you try to land on a moon so how is that handled without making someone wait much longer to land?

[zenith flax]

Takes less ram overall

That time depends on the pc and mod but a lot of them are done by the time the route changed is finished in my experience

Regardless imo it’s a worthy tradeoff

[tall kindle]

Oh you open the bundle when they switch moons they're routing to?