Lethal Performance & DiFFoZ Tweaks & BepInEx Faster Load AssetBundles Patcher | Lethal Company Modding | Page 6

agile oyster Mar 7, 2025, 8:52 AM

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which is unnecessary because it never moves, existed to fix a bug that wasn't in vanilla (it was caused by morecompany being incompatible with v65), and also doesn't use the function i linked

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i feel like i remember there being more instances of this though

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like when the player's holding items I think they just have their position and rotation updated every frame

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etc

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 8:53 AM

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If that came off the wrong way it definitely didn't intend to but by your response you sounded annoyed, I just knew if LethalPerformance was saying something it was one of those occasions where the method was more expensive than it needed to be

polar willow Mar 7, 2025, 8:54 AM

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agile oyster like when the player's holding items I think they just have their position and r...

uuh

agile oyster Mar 7, 2025, 8:54 AM

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in GrabbableObject.LateUpdate()

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they aren't reparented unless they are dropped in a PlayerPhysicsRegion (cruiser or elevator)

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or placed on a shelf

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IIRC that is it

agile oyster Mar 7, 2025, 8:57 AM

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agile oyster in GrabbableObject.LateUpdate()

there's a lot more meat here than i thought and it would actually require some pretty major refactoring

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it sets a rotation, then calls Rotate() with an offset, then sets position, then adds to position with another offset multiplied by the rotation

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im not actually sure how notable the performance boost of this function would be, especially with that much math going on anyway

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 9:10 AM

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Apologies @lone depot If I upset or offended you at all, I obviously really love your mod a lot and all the QOL stuff it adds for the cruiser so I obviously wanna see things that could cause some performance issues and stuff resolved cus I don't have the heart to ever remove your mod lol. Also I apologize for that time I thought it was your mod when we had the magnet desyncs and stuff that one day I have no idea what was responsible for that cus we never reprod it but I would imagine it was High Quota Fixes since the stuff it does is sorta hacky, I've since pulled that mod since it did more harm than good in the end

polar willow Mar 7, 2025, 9:20 AM

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agile oyster im not actually sure how notable the performance boost of this function would be...

I can try to profile and see the total overhead

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if it's big, I may look into

lone depot Mar 7, 2025, 9:23 AM

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molten light Apologies <@300421155750150155> If I upset or offended you at all, I obviously r...

thank you for your apology, i appreciate it

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 9:23 AM

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lone depot thank you for your apology, i appreciate it

yw

polar willow Mar 7, 2025, 9:44 AM

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what on earth

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 10:58 AM

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Lmao tf

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 11:00 AM

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polar willow what on earth

Since you're looking into R.E.P.O. I wonder if somehow Lethal could use the Photon voice system that it uses, cus the voice clarity is way better compared to the default Unity Dissonance system that Lethal is using

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Would be a great alternative option for LethalPerformance if possible cus I think Photon is also much more optimized

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and I know it would be able to be tested in Lan and stuff too, unlike Steam's Voice API

polar willow Mar 7, 2025, 11:13 AM

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I can make debug config option to load steam library in LAN

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 11:24 AM

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Ooh

vague belfry Mar 7, 2025, 11:53 AM

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default Unity Dissonance system that Lethal is using

dissonance is not the default

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https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/audio/dissonance-voice-chat-70078

polar willow Mar 7, 2025, 1:43 PM

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hmm

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nice, it also works for clients

vestal nimbus Mar 7, 2025, 5:16 PM

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agile oyster they aren't reparented unless they are dropped in a PlayerPhysicsRegion (cruiser...

This would be right, it was very very annoying to deal with this last night 🥲

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 6:36 PM

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vague belfry > default Unity Dissonance system that Lethal is using dissonance is not the de...

I thought it was cus we have all these mods like Dissonance Voice Setting and stuff to tweak stuff and it always throws Dissonance errors on lobby close lol

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Of wait I see what you mean

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It's just not Unity's default voice system

vague belfry Mar 7, 2025, 6:46 PM

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y e s

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 6:48 PM

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vague belfry y e s

Kinda surprised Zeekerss went with Dissonance instead of Photon though, after hearing how nice Photon is the game would greatly benefit from it lol

vague belfry Mar 7, 2025, 6:49 PM

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well

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LC uses Netcode, Photon is a completely different networking solution

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so it's not a plug-and-play switch

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since it would require redoing the entire game

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if i understand it correctly from a quick google search

molten light Mar 7, 2025, 6:57 PM

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Ah understandable

honest oxide Mar 7, 2025, 7:59 PM

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That's along the lines of what I was thinking

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When I saw the suggestion to replace dissonance with photon I was kinda thinking "wouldn't you have to rework literally everything that's networked for dissonance then" at the minimum

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Cus from what I remember photon has its own networking suite that's different from Netcode

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It would be way too involved for a minor qol improvement

vestal nimbus Mar 7, 2025, 8:09 PM

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also photon is yucky

honest oxide Mar 7, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Didn't know that part lol

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How come

vague belfry Mar 7, 2025, 8:15 PM

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vestal nimbus also photon is yucky

for UX or DX?

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 3:55 AM

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hm, looks like I found another reason why Steam Audio was removed

molten light Mar 8, 2025, 3:59 AM

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Interesting

vapid olive Mar 8, 2025, 4:27 AM

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molten light Kinda surprised Zeekerss went with Dissonance instead of Photon though, after he...

Photon is a networking api
Dissonance is something else entirely; the game uses netcode for gameobjects

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iirc

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 4:27 AM

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Photon has voice API that can be independent of photon networking

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iirc

vapid olive Mar 8, 2025, 4:27 AM

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ahhh

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i see

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 4:28 AM

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you will just to have to make 3rd tool to send packets through unity networking

vapid olive Mar 8, 2025, 4:28 AM

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wait so im out of the loop

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what happened to steam voice?

agile oyster Mar 8, 2025, 4:28 AM

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steam audio

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the spatialization plugin

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separate thing

vapid olive Mar 8, 2025, 4:28 AM

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vapid olive what happened to steam voice?

i could never get that to work for one specific person in my lobby

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they wouldnt be able to speak

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was weird

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 4:29 AM

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you mean my experiment option in the config? It's still there, but no progress to make it better was made yet

vapid olive Mar 8, 2025, 4:29 AM

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ah i see

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yeah i was wondering if it was iterated on more

molten light Mar 8, 2025, 4:30 AM

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The one time I tried it it caused a lot of oddities with how people sounded, also it's painful to maintain a mod pack and tell everyone to adjust their settings through Steam

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I see the potential though

vestal nimbus Mar 8, 2025, 4:31 AM

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vague belfry for UX or DX?

unacronym yourself

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 4:31 AM

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molten light The one time I tried it it caused a lot of oddities with how people sounded, als...

well you've played any Valve competitive game, your microphone should've been setup

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and more devs are starting using steam voice

molten light Mar 8, 2025, 4:32 AM

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True

vague belfry Mar 8, 2025, 5:01 AM

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vestal nimbus unacronym yourself

user experience vs developer experience

vestal nimbus Mar 8, 2025, 5:01 AM

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X stands for experience? i always wondered wtf it meant lol

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DX

vague belfry Mar 8, 2025, 5:01 AM

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yes

vestal nimbus Mar 8, 2025, 5:02 AM

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photon networking is weird, and it also makes you differentiate between singleplayer and multiplayer explicitly afaik, and i've had friends that used photon's matchmaking stuff which is very bad (costs money for the most part and yeah lol)

topaz sparrow Mar 8, 2025, 10:29 AM

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help my game crashes on start if i dont run Faster Load AssetBundles

📎 LogOutput.log

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is there something left over i need to remove?

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 10:46 AM

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I don't see anything suspicious. not sure why it is crashing

topaz sparrow Mar 8, 2025, 11:13 AM

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i was doing some cleanup and it did run up until i added moon/interior related mods

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these ones to be clear

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adding the AssetBundler mod was not enough, however deleting the cache folder made me able to not crash on start

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 2:36 PM

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molten light Would be a great alternative option for LethalPerformance if possible cus I thin...

found docs of Photon Voice, and they are using by default Microphone API by Unity

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but repo may switched to use the native audio capture

molten light Mar 8, 2025, 2:36 PM

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Yeah very possible

polar willow Mar 8, 2025, 2:37 PM

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and default bitrate is 3kb/s

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which is High voice quality in dissonance

worthy pike Mar 8, 2025, 10:39 PM

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Issue caused by this line
https://github.com/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/blob/main/LethalPerformance%2FEasySave3%2FES3Utilities.cs#L42
Because it is reading the default es3 save location trying to find the saves but its empty cuz perprofilesaves changes it.
Now that i look at it might be a problem with my mod.

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 4:03 AM

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I through I really didn't want to check if the path is absolute, but I guess i need to

molten light Mar 9, 2025, 4:05 AM

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polar willow I through I really didn't want to check if the path is absolute, but I guess i n...

I mean it sounds like Friendly Fish is saying it's better for them to fix this on their end tbh

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 4:06 AM

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it's more on my end

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because my mod is always expect the file name to be in default path

worthy pike Mar 9, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Well im not gonna be able to update my mod soon + i think i can fix it assuming i could easily change the value of ES3.Location.File

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And thats a big assumption

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If you can fix it it would be better since it could fix compatability with other mods in the future

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 4:13 AM

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molten light Mar 9, 2025, 4:15 AM

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Do we know if the Pre-Release changes are stable enough that a version bump can be pushed to integrate this fix? AnimatedPlink

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As far as I'm aware the only issue was the soft locking of progression if a client left which you fixed

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 4:16 AM

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I've played with pre-release yesterday and no issues are found, so I guess yea

molten light Mar 9, 2025, 4:16 AM

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yoiled

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Yeah I was gonna say when I was testing it that day things behaved really well lol

worthy pike Mar 9, 2025, 4:19 AM

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polar willow

I dont think that alone fixes it, the error is happening in LoadRawBytes i might be wrong

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 4:20 AM

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worthy pike I dont think that alone fixes it, the error is happening in LoadRawBytes i might...

it's because it found general save in default location, but then LoadRawBytes is called it uses fullpath and finds nothing

worthy pike Mar 9, 2025, 4:21 AM

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I dont understand

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Could you rephrase that?

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 4:27 AM

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I have 2 different logic if file exists or not, my check was by looking at default directory for the file, and if save file found it process further calling LoadRaw, so ES3 will use FullPath to find the file in the location provided by your mod, and it fails, because it doesn't exists

worthy pike Mar 9, 2025, 4:30 AM

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I partially understood but its okay, you seem confident that it works. Anyway its your mod.

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 5:36 PM

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[1.0.0] 2025-03-10

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Caching of VehicleController, PlayerVoiceIngameSettings objects.
Check for optimization to prevent vehicle to search dropship after delivery.

Changed

Make rendering sampler to be included in release build, so dev can use it.

Fixed

UnityExplorer may break caching system.
PerProfileSaves mod incompatibility.

polar willow Mar 9, 2025, 6:07 PM

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1.0.0 release with almost 1 million total downloads, thank you everyone. Probably for now on I'll be making less changes to the mods, but still will be around the community here.

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 2:27 AM

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@polar willow The new update seems to break keybindings for BetterVehicleControls, if I revert to 0.6.0 I can use the scroll wheel to move the shifter and use X to magnet the cruiser but with 1.0.0 I can't

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Not sure why it's breaking it, I remember it being fine when testing 0.0.110 as well

honest oxide Mar 10, 2025, 2:49 AM

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i was able to confirm this in a profile with exclusively lethalperformance and bettervehiclecontrols, and their dependencies

agile oyster Mar 10, 2025, 2:54 AM

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lol every time you use those keybinds it does Object.FindObjectsByType<VehicleController>()

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 3:28 AM

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agile oyster lol every time you use those keybinds it does Object.FindObjectsByType<VehicleCo...

Oh so it's something 1A3 needs to fix probably

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@karmic crypt you think you can release a patch for BetterVehicleControls?

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 3:29 AM

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honest oxide i was able to confirm this in a profile with exclusively lethalperformance and b...

Yeah Buttery explained why, it's cus BetterVehicleControls makes use of an expensive method that LethalPerformance is caching

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everytime you use the keybinds apparently

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so it's not really the fault of LethalPerformance here

karmic crypt Mar 10, 2025, 3:30 AM

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if LethalPerformance is caching it then it'd still work fine?

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 3:30 AM

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karmic crypt if LethalPerformance is caching it then it'd still work fine?

LethalPerformance is caching the VehicleController stuff so idk

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I couldn't get any errors in a log so maybe you can check why it's breaking

karmic crypt Mar 10, 2025, 3:35 AM

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agile oyster lol every time you use those keybinds it does Object.FindObjectsByType<VehicleCo...

no

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it only does that if the cached value is null or you arent driving the cached vehicle

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 3:36 AM

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Ah hmmmm

agile oyster Mar 10, 2025, 3:36 AM

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oh yeah

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i just took a glance to see what was happening under the hood

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but i was looking at the decomp and missed this part

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my bad!

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 3:37 AM

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Okay so yeah it's something that needs fixed on LethalPerformance's end then probably

karmic crypt Mar 10, 2025, 3:47 AM

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its cuz LethalPerformance doesnt return the vehiclecontroller

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since RoundManager.Instance.VehiclesContainer contains vehicle physics stuff but not the vehiclecontroller

molten light Mar 10, 2025, 4:06 AM

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Ah

molten light Mar 11, 2025, 1:09 AM

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@polar willow Any solutions in mind for the BetterVehicleControls stuff?

honest oxide Mar 11, 2025, 8:21 AM

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just saw 1.0.1, what was the changelog?

polar willow Mar 11, 2025, 8:27 AM

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oh forgot to commit changelog update

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just hotfix to remove vehicle caching

honest oxide Mar 11, 2025, 8:27 AM

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ah ok

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i guess as temporary fix until the vehicle controls thing can be addressed?

polar willow Mar 11, 2025, 8:29 AM

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yeah

molten light Mar 11, 2025, 3:40 PM

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polar willow yeah

Btw I did end up setting Dissonance to High Quality with DissonanceVoiceSettings and it helped quite a bit, after the server issues R.E.P.O. has been experiencing I'll admit I'm glad Lethal doesn't use Photon Photon seems to be a bit of a problem child 😅

polar willow Mar 11, 2025, 3:41 PM

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yeah, Photon is quite a problem for modding the game

molten light Mar 11, 2025, 3:43 PM

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Yeah NODDERS

mortal carbon Mar 12, 2025, 2:15 PM

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Ah I just came in to mention 1.0.0 also seems to bug out mels RV cruiser and cruiserterminal. The first one you buy (if if you have one loaded) is fine, but after that it those mods don't load and you get a vanilla(ish) cruiser

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notably vanilla(ish) bc cruiserimproved changes seem to still be there

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But I assume if the vehicle caching is removed it should be good now

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 1:23 PM

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we are going to full unsafe

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but hey, diversity is now working in development build

fallen ember Mar 13, 2025, 1:30 PM

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bruh you're just removing that function? 🤣

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are the offsets the same between debug and release? i remember zaggy had to use two different ones for PathfindingLib 🤔

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 1:34 PM

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fallen ember are the offsets the same between debug and release? i remember zaggy had to use ...

release doesn't call that method at all

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only debug

fallen ember Mar 13, 2025, 1:35 PM

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gotta love arbitrary restrictions

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 2:10 PM

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hm

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can be used to detect where game is stuck in inf loop

fallen ember Mar 13, 2025, 2:19 PM

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what is that MethodOf call? does it auto-create the right delegate?

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 2:22 PM

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is just helper to not use reflection or SymbolExtensions

fallen ember Mar 13, 2025, 2:23 PM

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don't you need to pass the Action<> thing as a param for the delegate then tilted_head

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 2:23 PM

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only if method is generic

fallen ember Mar 13, 2025, 2:23 PM

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that is the original call even if you do not use it

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i see, monomod allows to not have the delegate action param if you plan on fully replacing the function

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 8:30 PM

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@honest oxide you can try to use LP v0.0.120 to be able profile all mods, even they throw exception due to thread safety checks

honest oxide Mar 13, 2025, 8:31 PM

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polar willow <@451951281918181377> you can try to use LP v0.0.120 to be able profile all mods...

with the other steps from your guide right?

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 8:31 PM

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yep

honest oxide Mar 13, 2025, 8:31 PM

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gotcha

polar willow Mar 13, 2025, 8:37 PM

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pushing v0.0.121 to remove stacktrace lags

honest oxide Mar 13, 2025, 9:48 PM

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btw i forgot to ask what changed in 0.0.120?

dark hollow Mar 14, 2025, 7:38 PM

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Hi, just wanted to check cruiser caching thing. Do I understand correctly that OnDisable was never called if the cruiser was cached?

polar willow Mar 15, 2025, 10:44 AM

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honest oxide btw i forgot to ask what changed in 0.0.120?

removed experimental steam voice api and make debugging for some mods easier

polar willow Mar 15, 2025, 10:46 AM

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dark hollow Hi, just wanted to check cruiser caching thing. Do I understand correctly that O...

uuh, it's just problem that I've not expected, when networkobject spawned it removes original parent

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so any vehicles are not cached properly

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I've removed for now vehicle caching in v1.0.1

dark hollow Mar 15, 2025, 10:48 AM

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polar willow uuh, it's just problem that I've not expected, when networkobject spawned it rem...

wdym original parent? like original instantiated prefab?

polar willow Mar 15, 2025, 10:49 AM

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yeah, zeekerss passing vehicle container parent to the vehicle, but it gets removed on spawning

molten light Mar 16, 2025, 7:31 AM

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@polar willow Seeing this everytime I go to the ship

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Is it cus of MagnetLock?

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I don't have a Cruiser rn btw

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 8:37 AM

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molten light <@246493000732114944> Seeing this everytime I go to the ship

this is because of no vehicle caching

molten light Mar 16, 2025, 8:38 AM

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polar willow this is because of no vehicle caching

I just wonder why BetterVehicleControls only broke after you fixed the dropship stuff, cus it was fine with 0.0.110 🤔

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 8:51 AM

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i really love gale for this

honest oxide Mar 16, 2025, 8:53 AM

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apng icon?

vestal nimbus Mar 16, 2025, 8:53 AM

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yep

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it's all mod managers tho iirc

honest oxide Mar 16, 2025, 8:54 AM

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yes

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r2 shows it too

vestal nimbus Mar 16, 2025, 8:54 AM

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yep

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thunderstore here

honest oxide Mar 16, 2025, 8:54 AM

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the only 2 mods i know that actually use it are xumisctools and betterlightning

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 8:55 AM

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and some interior mod

vestal nimbus Mar 16, 2025, 8:55 AM

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yeah SDM

honest oxide Mar 16, 2025, 8:55 AM

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oh yeah

vestal nimbus Mar 16, 2025, 8:55 AM

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raph asked me how i did it and i just said apng lol

honest oxide Mar 16, 2025, 8:55 AM

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apng is kinda weird

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most people would much rather just use gif

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so being prompted to use apng is weird

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 10:46 AM

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nooo

vestal nimbus Mar 16, 2025, 10:47 AM

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LMAO

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6mb icon

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 10:48 AM

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and my silly cat apng is 7mb

weary estuary Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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what does diffoz tweaks do

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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am curious

warm fjord Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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it tweaks

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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well yeah duh

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tweaks what

delicate onyx Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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Specifically, it tweaks diffoz

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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idk i get the vibe that it contains tweaks made by diffoz

warm fjord Mar 16, 2025, 3:56 PM

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flat spade tweaks what

it tweaks lethal company

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ok i stop

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:57 PM

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lmfoa

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 3:57 PM

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currently no tweaks contains

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only one feature, to flash taskbar icon when game waits user input of LAN or ONLINE

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:58 PM

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taskback icon?

delicate onyx Mar 16, 2025, 3:58 PM

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polar willow only one feature, to flash taskbar icon when game waits user input of LAN or ONL...

Downloading day 1 for this alone

weary estuary Mar 16, 2025, 3:58 PM

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any othe rplanned tweaks?

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:58 PM

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Oh you mean taskbar

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Like having it flash orange to notify you that the game's ready

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Peak

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 3:58 PM

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yeah yeah

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 3:59 PM

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weary estuary any othe rplanned tweaks?

hmm, currently no

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You can suggest

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 3:59 PM

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polar willow hmm, currently no

i lost my list of changes that I want 😢

flat spade Mar 16, 2025, 3:59 PM

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Unfortunate

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tho even just making the taskbar flash when the game's done booting is genuinely fantastic qol even if it's small

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 4:00 PM

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yeah, because I just lost time procrastinating due to slow startup

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i've opened github repo if someone needed

polar willow Mar 16, 2025, 10:26 PM

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thinking to set default limit to 10

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:44 AM

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ugh, why bepin why

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:44 AM

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polar willow

Cosmetic capping? 🤔

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:45 AM

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yeah 👀

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:45 AM

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you're telling me i cant just ruin everyone's performance for my own pleasure?

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😔

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:45 AM

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Seems useful lol

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 AM

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vestal nimbus you're telling me i cant just ruin everyone's performance for my own pleasure?

lol, my friend always get all cosmetics and my fps drops from 80 to 30

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 AM

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I remember I had someone that put on all cosmetics at once before and not only did it kill performance but it also broke their player model

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 AM

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DogeKEK

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 AM

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LOL

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 AM

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polar willow lol, my friend always get all cosmetics and my fps drops from 80 to 30

i know a few cosmetics can be a bit heavy (one of them 91k according to a conversation in #1345089401100701778), so that's fun

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oh 91k vertices*

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 AM

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One of the base MoreCompany ones at that right?

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 AM

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iunno, i was part of the conversation but i couldnt tell if i got a yes or no for that one

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i think so though

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 AM

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yeah, iirc pikachu ears is like have 70k verts

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 AM

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morecompany my beloved

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the more players and weirdly also cosmetic api

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 AM

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polar willow yeah, iirc pikachu ears is like have 70k verts

Pikachu ears from FunnyCosmetics?

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🤔

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 AM

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yeah

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hm, let me recheck

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 AM

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I don't think it's that one lol

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Oh wait I bet it's the one from ProjectSCP Hats

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LMFAO

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Prolly this one

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:50 AM

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slightly disgusting

fallen ember Mar 17, 2025, 9:50 AM

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soo proposal for you Diffoz. that me and zaggy came up with and i tested a bit in yesterdays Lunx stream:
https://gist.github.com/mattymatty97/99259ac7979b745cc12a3b040a14579d#file-entranceteleportpatches-cs

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keep a list of the teleports so during async dungen the game does't cripple itself when doing FindObjectByType each frame for each teleport 😅

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:51 AM

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polar willow hm, let me recheck

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 9:52 AM

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jeez

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 9:52 AM

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Yeah that would be the one from ProjectSCP Hats

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Ooof

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Lunxaras Addons update inc that yoinks that

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 9:59 AM

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fallen ember soo proposal for you Diffoz. that me and zaggy came up with and i tested a bit i...

I'm currently planning for moon references caching update, so maybe after that update I'll look into caching interior stuff

thorny spire Mar 17, 2025, 10:04 AM

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molten light One of the base MoreCompany ones at that right?

The cat ears in base mc yeah

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 10:05 AM

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@arctic ether Since we're on the topic of unoptimized cosmetics the sizes for the candy cane and cane antlers cosmetics are really large compared to all your other cosmetics, how many verts are they?

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 10:05 AM

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thorny spire The cat ears in base mc yeah

Might be an excuse for me to disable the base mc cosmetics then unless it's only the cat ears

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 10:11 AM

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hm, why client disconnect and rejoin after the frame

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very strange

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[10:10:19.2668710] [Info   : Unity Log] Disconnect callback called
[10:10:19.2668710] [Info   : Unity Log] Is server: False; ishost: False; isConnectedClient: False
[10:10:19.2703909] [Info   : Unity Log] Local client connection denied; clientId: 0; reason:
[10:10:19.2703909] [Info   :LethalPerformance] [Cache] DiFFoZ.Find.MenuManager
[10:10:19.2703909] [Warning:LethalPerformance] Failed to find cached MenuManager object
[10:10:19.2703909] [Info   :LethalPerformance] [Cache] DiFFoZ.Find.MenuManager (all objects)
[10:10:19.2703909] [Warning:LethalPerformance] Failed to find cached MenuManager objects
[10:10:19.2703909] [Info   : Unity Log] Displaying menu message
[10:10:19.2713895] [Info   : Unity Log] Displaying menu message 3
[10:10:19.2713895] [Info   : Unity Log] Displaying menu notification: Crew size mismatch! Their size: 12. Your size: 32
[10:10:19.2758966] [Info   :MoreCompany] Unregistered Named Message Handlers

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looks like is because of morecompany

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probably due to lan, iirc morecompany uses steam tags to get crew size

molten light Mar 17, 2025, 10:17 AM

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Lol fun

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 10:19 AM

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or it's just a lot of hacks

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it works

fallen ember Mar 17, 2025, 10:53 AM

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polar willow hm, why client disconnect and rejoin after the frame

oh yeah i noticed that too in Lunx pack.. it has caused weirdness in LobbyControl in the past but i was never able to understand what mod was causing it

arctic ether Mar 17, 2025, 11:10 AM

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molten light <@704757796599496714> Since we're on the topic of unoptimized cosmetics the size...

Not many, if I remember

karmic crypt Mar 17, 2025, 11:25 AM

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polar willow probably due to lan, iirc morecompany uses steam tags to get crew size

LAN and steam have different logic

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Ah I know what you're referring to

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For LAN it passes the client's player count in the connection data then if it doesn't match the host the connection is rejected with an error message

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Then that error message is parsed to get the correct player count which i then update the client's value to and automatically reconnect

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I couldn't work out any other way to pass the player count from the host to the client early enough so 🤷‍♂️

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^ in-case u were interested as well @fallen ember

fallen ember Mar 17, 2025, 11:32 AM

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that is supposed to happen in LAN only no?

karmic crypt Mar 17, 2025, 11:32 AM

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Yeah it does

fallen ember Mar 17, 2025, 11:32 AM

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because in lunx pack it happens online

karmic crypt Mar 17, 2025, 11:33 AM

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Are you sure?

fallen ember Mar 17, 2025, 11:33 AM

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each client connects, disconnects and connects again

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70%

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it's been like 2 weeks since i analyzed that

karmic crypt Mar 17, 2025, 11:34 AM

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Auto reconnect only happens if steam is disabled

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https://github.com/notnotnotswipez/MoreCompany/blob/master/MoreCompany/LANMenu.cs#L126

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So there's no reason I can see that morecompany would cause that in steam lobbies 🤔

fallen ember Mar 17, 2025, 11:36 AM

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tilted_head .

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on the topic of passing data to the client before the connection starts i too have not found a solution yet :/

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 12:46 PM

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karmic crypt Then that error message is parsed to get the correct player count which i then u...

greed

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 5:35 PM

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what

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diffoztweaks v1.1.0

new icon
cosmetic limit option

thorny gazelle Mar 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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polar willow ## diffoztweaks v1.1.0 - new icon - cosmetic limit option

hello!
Is the cosmetic limit option configurable?

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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yes

thorny gazelle Mar 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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gotcha, thanks!

polar willow Mar 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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by default 15 is set

vestal nimbus Mar 17, 2025, 11:27 PM

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It's kinda funny how high the default is, makes me wonder how terrible the people you play with are

stark marlin Mar 18, 2025, 1:29 AM

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polar willow ## diffoztweaks v1.1.0 - new icon - cosmetic limit option

Hey! Seeing that some cosmetics are very unoptimized, in the same vein as limiting cosmetics, Is there a way to add maybe culling to cosmetics from players far away?

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(I don't really know if it already does it, or if it is even possible to do it but maybe it helps a bit with performance?)

molten light Mar 18, 2025, 2:51 AM

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@polar willow if you can find what mod is causing the thing with clients in Online mode that Matty mentioned I will gladly pull it lol

vestal nimbus Mar 18, 2025, 2:56 AM

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you should get rid of bepinex, my inner self tells me its the cause

molten light Mar 18, 2025, 3:18 AM

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vestal nimbus you should get rid of bepinex, my inner self tells me its the cause

Lmao

polar willow Mar 18, 2025, 5:20 AM

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vestal nimbus you should get rid of bepinex, my inner self tells me its the cause

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNTSHDH983SR2SCGYTWXBMYA/4x.webp

dark hollow Mar 18, 2025, 5:23 AM

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polar willow https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNTSHDH983SR2SCGYTWXBMYA/4x.webp

https://tenor.com/view/sosal-gif-2276537896272226797

Tenor

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literally everytime i see this cat i expecting this

polar willow Mar 18, 2025, 5:26 AM

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dark hollow literally everytime i see this cat i expecting this

polar willow Mar 18, 2025, 6:02 AM

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vestal nimbus It's kinda funny how high the default is, makes me wonder how terrible the peopl...

vestal nimbus Mar 18, 2025, 6:06 AM

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😭

polar willow Mar 18, 2025, 8:38 AM

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note for myself:
[faster load] add patch for loadbundle via byte[]

polar willow Mar 20, 2025, 10:23 AM

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there is a new wave of internet type banning in my region, and now all website behind cloudflare cdn are not working with my previous method of escaping that, currently only vpn works

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so I may be not be here active that much

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or it's cloudflare side problem? eh not sure

old summit Mar 20, 2025, 12:37 PM

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Whether or not it’s banning why would they keep League of Legends concern

polar willow Mar 20, 2025, 1:06 PM

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thunderstore doesn't work for me 😭

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rip, now i need to always use vpn to get all mods

vestal nimbus Mar 20, 2025, 1:08 PM

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F

dark hollow Mar 20, 2025, 1:40 PM

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polar willow there is a new wave of internet type banning in my region, and now all website b...

maybe i was lucky but i didn't notice anything except the long loading time of the discord site

dark hollow Mar 20, 2025, 1:46 PM

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polar willow rip, now i need to always use vpn to get all mods

this happened to me sometimes, but usually fixed itself after a couple of hours

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and thunderstore/gale works fine for me rn

polar willow Mar 20, 2025, 1:52 PM

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welp, thunderstore is behind cloudflare

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so it won't work here right now

dark hollow Mar 20, 2025, 1:56 PM

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cloudflare and thunderstore site works for me too

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I guess I'm really lucky

polar willow Mar 20, 2025, 9:29 PM

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and on 12am of Moscow time the block got reverted and now everything works fine

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168516853895790655/1252665536878346302/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

delicate onyx Mar 21, 2025, 1:36 AM

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[Warning:LethalPerformance] Woah! Someone requests to search of all TimeOfDay objects, even if it's singleton

Is it bad that this spams while starting the game?

worthy pike Mar 21, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Its just another mod doing stupid stuff

vestal nimbus Mar 21, 2025, 2:05 AM

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since i auto generate my key and section based on itemName etc i gotta figure out a way to edit the key and section to remove invalid characters lol

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this probably works

vague belfry Mar 21, 2025, 9:15 AM

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regex hell

fallen ember Mar 21, 2025, 9:31 AM

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😅

vestal nimbus Mar 21, 2025, 9:36 AM

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fallen ember 😅

whoops i missed the apostrophe lol

fallen ember Mar 21, 2025, 9:37 AM

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and i forgot the quotes seems 🙃

vestal nimbus Mar 21, 2025, 9:37 AM

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DogeKEK

polar willow Mar 21, 2025, 11:05 AM

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delicate onyx [Warning:LethalPerformance] Woah! Someone requests to search of all TimeOfDay ob...

if it's spam before hosting the game then probably ok

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just mod tries wait for the object by searching the specific object that only exists in ship scene

polar willow Mar 21, 2025, 6:26 PM

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bflap

[1.0.0] 2025-03-22

Added

Patch for loading bundle via memory.

honest oxide Mar 21, 2025, 7:10 PM

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What does this do?

vestal nimbus Mar 21, 2025, 7:11 PM

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i think it was for the diversity mod?

polar willow Mar 21, 2025, 7:22 PM

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yeah, it's for mods that are loading bundle to the memory instead of using stream or file path

honest oxide Mar 21, 2025, 7:51 PM

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oh cool

honest oxide Mar 21, 2025, 9:39 PM

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just tried it right now, it loads so much faster now

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thanks a lot

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(diversity in particular went from ~6 sec to 0.5 sec for me)

polar willow Mar 22, 2025, 12:31 AM

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maybe someone needed, the list of mods taking time to load

📎 message.txt

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with uncompressed bundles

polar willow Mar 22, 2025, 3:25 PM

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currently moving unity debug stuff to diffoz tweaks, and now i realize that I need a patcher for diffoz tweaks to be able to patch unity stuff asap

polar willow Mar 23, 2025, 5:06 PM

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temp hotfix while jacob and wesley are taking break

dark hollow Mar 23, 2025, 5:11 PM

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sad patcher

polar willow Mar 24, 2025, 7:37 PM

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👀

stark marlin Mar 24, 2025, 7:41 PM

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polar willow 👀

is this huge chat?, i'm dumb

thorny gazelle Mar 24, 2025, 7:50 PM

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RuntimeDungeon?

mortal carbon Mar 24, 2025, 8:44 PM

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polar willow

What bug is this patching again? Also bc I think something else fixes this and I am curious if there'd be issues with them both trying to fix it

polar willow Mar 24, 2025, 8:46 PM

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mortal carbon What bug is this patching again? Also bc I think something else fixes this and I...

#1204432295025578014 message

mortal carbon Mar 24, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Ah ty, that's it's own thing then. I know something else patches a jacob/wesley thing and thought it might be the same patch.

polar willow Mar 26, 2025, 3:45 AM

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Probably today will push experimental release for LP

vestal nimbus Mar 26, 2025, 3:48 AM

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experimentally break the game pls and ty

polar willow Mar 26, 2025, 10:09 AM

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discord broke gif menu

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it's just crashes for me

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o

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https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNTSHDH983SR2SCGYTWXBMYA/4x.webp

molten light Mar 26, 2025, 10:27 AM

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polar willow discord broke gif menu

I just love that for some reason my Discord lags when I'm in this server but when tabbed into any of my others it's fine 😭

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New UI really dislikes this server for some reason

sharp sage Mar 26, 2025, 10:29 AM

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molten light New UI really dislikes this server for some reason

Oh it wasn't just me then 💀

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Noticed when searching for messages it'll get quite choppy

fallen ember Mar 26, 2025, 10:33 AM

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i think the new UI doesn't like the opt-in channels. i've just toggled the Show All Channels and immeditaly it feels smoother

molten light Mar 26, 2025, 10:34 AM

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fallen ember i think the new UI doesn't like the opt-in channels. i've just toggled the `Show...

Doesn't seem to help at all on my end

sharp sage Mar 26, 2025, 10:35 AM

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Helped for me actually, not sure if placebo though 💀

sharp sage Mar 26, 2025, 10:35 AM

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sharp sage Noticed when searching for messages it'll get quite choppy

I also had Unity open actually, could've been computer struggling

molten light Mar 26, 2025, 10:35 AM

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It helps a little but not by much

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scrolling is still laggy in this server

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I think the new ui is just unoptimized dog

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Electron sucks

sharp sage Mar 26, 2025, 10:36 AM

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Gotta report this bug on the discord mod thread, can't believe they'd release an update without testing smh 😔

molten light Mar 26, 2025, 10:37 AM

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I'm guessing they didn't optimize the forum post stuff, cus this is my only server with a lot of those

molten light Mar 26, 2025, 10:44 AM

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sharp sage I also had Unity open actually, could've been computer struggling

Surprisingly I worked with my Vtuber Models for hours in Unity and my pc just shrugged it off like it was nothing, although Unity 2020 is definitely slower to load than Unity 2022 lol

sharp sage Mar 26, 2025, 10:46 AM

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Yeah I just have a very outdated desktop 💀

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Surprised it's still running at all, definitely slows down cooking process

polar willow Mar 26, 2025, 9:22 PM

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lp

0.0.122

optimization and caching with entrance teleport stuff
vehicle caching is back
moon caching (ItemDropShip, RuntimeDungeon)

vestal nimbus Mar 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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noice

polar willow Mar 26, 2025, 9:28 PM

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0.0.123

fix NRE with PathfindingLagFix

molten light Mar 26, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Yippee

polar willow Mar 26, 2025, 10:19 PM

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0.0.124

Fix for wait for dungeon to complete patch is ignored

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 3:57 AM

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oops, vehicle caching was not on the experimental branch

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will fix it today

molten light Mar 27, 2025, 4:10 AM

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polar willow will fix it today

Oh it wasn't? lol I thought it was cus I didn't have the lag that normally happens before the Cruiser is delivered

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XD

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 4:19 AM

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xd

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i probably should make only tag, instead of full release

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i keep spamming my email

gusty kayak Mar 27, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Did an update get retracted? TS says last updated 8 hours ago in some spots

honest oxide Mar 27, 2025, 6:56 AM

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gusty kayak Did an update get retracted? TS says last updated 8 hours ago in some spots

experimental update

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it's ver 0.0.124

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 6:56 AM

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gusty kayak Did an update get retracted? TS says last updated 8 hours ago in some spots

no, I publish experimental releases to the same package, but with older version

honest oxide Mar 27, 2025, 6:56 AM

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so it doesnt show as newest

gusty kayak Mar 27, 2025, 6:58 AM

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Oh that's clever! was baffled as to why Gale put it between things when sorted by last updated while saying 15 days ago, but that makes sense

robust dock Mar 27, 2025, 10:19 AM

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polar willow 0.0.123 fix NRE with PathfindingLagFix

oh I just saw this, it wasn't any issue on my side was it?

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 10:19 AM

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you just finding all entrance teleports on main menu

robust dock Mar 27, 2025, 10:20 AM

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wait did I? what the

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 10:20 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

robust dock Mar 27, 2025, 10:23 AM

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ah right I get the teleports on scene unload, hmm

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I guess I could use the NetworkBehaviour.OnDestroy patch instead to avoid this but I think this is fine

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just stress testing your solution teehee

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 10:26 AM

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https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNTSHDH983SR2SCGYTWXBMYA/1x.webp

polar willow Mar 27, 2025, 5:32 PM

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yikes, experimental branch doesn't work on wesley's moons

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@molten light ^

molten light Mar 27, 2025, 5:52 PM

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Rip

molten light Mar 28, 2025, 12:23 AM

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polar willow yikes, experimental branch doesn't work on wesley's moons

What was breaking? lol

polar willow Mar 28, 2025, 12:53 AM

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molten light What was breaking? lol

it's just me being silly and expecting every moons have the same setup of where dropship with dungeon generator is

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 1:26 AM

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0.0.125

fixed moon components cannot be found on custom moons.
vehicle caching is back (again).
fixed entrance teleports on custom moons cannot be found.

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Vehicle caching that doesn't conflict with better vehicle controls?

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 2:17 AM

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looks fine

vestal nimbus Mar 29, 2025, 2:20 AM

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waiting on vehicle caching to be taken out again

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https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-angrycat-orange-orangecat-gif-12955247756667881418

Tenor

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 2:26 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/aimkid-lemon-demon-dance-hella-cool-dance-animation-gif-16385736

Tenor

molten light Mar 29, 2025, 2:53 AM

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polar willow https://tenor.com/view/aimkid-lemon-demon-dance-hella-cool-dance-animation-gif-1...

The performance increase with the new experimental build is insane lol the game runs a shit ton smoother for me with it

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 3:13 AM

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my pc is dying with 2 lc lunx modpack in debug mode

molten light Mar 29, 2025, 3:29 AM

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polar willow my pc is dying with 2 lc lunx modpack in debug mode

Lol oof, disabling a handful of the interior and scrap mods should help since those are always loaded onto ram, I noticed my pack generally starts at around 6gb of ram but then eventually lowers from LLL hotloading to around 2-3gb

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I'm still unsure what mod is causing masked bodies to not appear for clients btw, I thought it was Enhanced Monsters causing the desyncs but I also reprod it with SellBodiesFixed

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 3:32 AM

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wdym masked bodies

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don't you use nightofthelivingmimic

molten light Mar 29, 2025, 3:33 AM

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Yes but I don't think it's supposed to cause the body to not appear for clients cus other enemies like Nutcrackers were also doing this

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I might be wrong though

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I prefer Enhanced Monsters though since SellBodiesFixed is just a large mod always loaded into ram

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 4:09 AM

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@fleet aspen is you made the no floppy mod? Can you make a patch to remove coroutine of waiting for floppy disk?

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concern

molten light Mar 29, 2025, 4:14 AM

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https://github.com/Science-Bird/ScienceBirdTweaks/blob/main/Patches/DiversityComputerBegone.cs Does the patch in ScienceBirdTweaks help with this scenario?

GitHub

ScienceBirdTweaks/Patches/DiversityComputerBegone.cs at main · Sci...

A collection of various small adjustments for Lethal Company. - Science-Bird/ScienceBirdTweaks

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 4:15 AM

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no

molten light Mar 29, 2025, 4:16 AM

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I figured as much

fleet aspen Mar 29, 2025, 8:43 AM

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polar willow <@398818840269553664> is you made the no floppy mod? Can you make a patch to rem...

Sure, I'll add it today

robust dock Mar 29, 2025, 11:16 AM

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polar willow <:concern:1195990025653977088>

good god

vestal nimbus Mar 29, 2025, 11:19 AM

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polar willow <:concern:1195990025653977088>

oh my goodness gracious me

flat spade Mar 29, 2025, 11:55 AM

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polar willow <:concern:1195990025653977088>

trying to figure out what this is even trying to do and why it specifies a specific disc

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This looks like it'd be one of the enemy-related ones based on the name alone

vestal nimbus Mar 29, 2025, 11:58 AM

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it doesnt matter what it's trying to do

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it's basically doing FindObjectsOfType every frame

flat spade Mar 29, 2025, 11:58 AM

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Oh

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okay yeah that's understandable

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I think you or someone else mentioned that was super heavy on performance

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 12:03 PM

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FindObjectOfType is very heavy on performance especially when it's being run every frame

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Ideal usage of it would only involve running it when something changes, and storing what it finds in a dictionary or cache or something

fallen ember Mar 29, 2025, 12:24 PM

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or ( if you have control over the object type you're searching ) just keep your own list by adding objects in Awake and removing them in OnDestroy 🤔

fleet aspen Mar 29, 2025, 1:57 PM

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polar willow <:concern:1195990025653977088>

fixed benice

molten light Mar 29, 2025, 7:14 PM

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fleet aspen fixed <:benice:1173827555363655800>

Yippee

robust dock Mar 29, 2025, 7:51 PM

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fallen ember or ( if you have control over the object type you're searching ) just keep your ...

or OnEnable and OnDisable if the difference matters to you

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:30 PM

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@polar willow

📎 message.txt

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entrance caching prevents clients from leaving the ship

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the landing animation doesn't play and the doors don't open

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this log is from a client that joined me

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:40 PM

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looks like some mods are destroying network objects incorrectly

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:44 PM

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all the ones i'm seeing are during dungeon generation

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where is says trying to destroy network object

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:44 PM

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beevil

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:45 PM

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ah

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i guess those teleports back to main conflict with entrance caching

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:45 PM

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hmm

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can you send modpack code

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I'll add some logs where networked object destroyed incorrectly

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:46 PM

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0195e44c-a02a-fc79-fa70-35d1ec5fddb1

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@unborn cedar probably should see this

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:47 PM

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for now I'll add null check

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:47 PM

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Uh oh what'd I do

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:48 PM

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the teleporter to main in tartarus is causing issues with entrance caching

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:48 PM

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Entrance caching?

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:48 PM

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pushed 0.0.126

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:48 PM

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lethal performance 0.0.125 added it

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but diffoz said something is destroying network objects incorrectly which may be caused by the teleports

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:49 PM

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Hm

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:49 PM

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it could be other mod doing something wrong

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:50 PM

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I have a VFX prefab that spawns when you use the teleporter

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Maybe it's that

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Its a shitty way to do it but I was tired and couldn't think of a better solution

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It's pretty much just a light and some particles controlled by an animator that follows the player who was teleported

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I think I set it to destroy itself but I forget how

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yoiled

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Not entirely sure, I remember nothing of the code I wrote

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:52 PM

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oh right

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:52 PM

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polar willow it could be other mod doing something wrong

it was also affecting moons that generated interiors that weren't tartarus

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so it might not be 100% tartarus

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:52 PM

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Maybe they have similar mechanics

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:53 PM

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the results were the same every time that it didn't play the landing animation and the doors refused to open

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:53 PM

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I wouldn't be shocked if my code does something silly

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:53 PM

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for only client

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host still got anim and door control

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:53 PM

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I mean hell one of my rooms once caused an issue where it killed the entire games lighting system if cull factory was enabled

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:54 PM

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yea

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:54 PM

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So at this point nothing surprises me

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Regardless, anything I should be doing on my end? At a later date of course I wake up at 3 tomorrow and I be eepy

honest oxide Mar 29, 2025, 11:54 PM

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the thing i'm certain of is that it doesn't happen in 0.0.124 which doesnt have entranceTeleport caching

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so it's an interaction with that specifically

vestal nimbus Mar 29, 2025, 11:55 PM

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polar willow <:beevil:1174730104249798787>

if only StartOfRound had an instance...

unborn cedar Mar 29, 2025, 11:56 PM

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Iirc 90% of that code was just copied from the LC main entrance code so it could probably be improved tenfold

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I just threw it in, and it worked so I left it 💀

polar willow Mar 29, 2025, 11:59 PM

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my code should handle finding object of type fine, we just need to find a mod that calls Destroy on networked object

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[00:09:29.3185375] [Fatal  :LethalPerformance.Patcher] Bomb(Clone)
[00:09:29.3185375] [Fatal  :LethalPerformance.Patcher] Bomb(Clone) (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject)
[00:09:29.3185375] [Fatal  :LethalPerformance.Patcher] /Bomb(Clone)
[00:09:29.3185375] [Fatal  :LethalPerformance.Patcher]   at System.Environment.get_StackTrace () [0x00000] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0000
  at LethalPerformance.Dev.Patches.Patch_NetworkObject.LogStacktrace (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject object) [0x0004c] in /_/Patches/Patch_NetworkObject.cs:70
  at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject.DMD<Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject::OnDestroy> (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject ) [0x00000] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000
[00:09:29.3185375] [Error  : Unity Log] [Netcode] Destroy a spawned NetworkObject on a non-host client is not valid. Call Destroy or Despawn on the server/host instead.

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honest oxide Mar 30, 2025, 12:11 AM

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these look like LGU items

polar willow Mar 30, 2025, 12:16 AM

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looks like it is

honest oxide Mar 30, 2025, 12:16 AM

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should i send this in their thread

polar willow Mar 30, 2025, 12:17 AM

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because it also logs that it cannot destroy transform

polar willow Mar 30, 2025, 12:17 AM

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honest oxide should i send this in their thread

yeah

unborn cedar Mar 30, 2025, 12:27 AM

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polar willow my code should handle finding object of type fine, we just need to find a mod th...

Mmm alright I take it that means I'm off the hook for now and can sleep!

polar willow Mar 30, 2025, 12:28 AM

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unborn cedar Mmm alright I take it that means I'm off the hook for now and can sleep!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-23970142

Tenor

honest oxide Mar 30, 2025, 9:08 PM

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@polar willow did you change anything aside from adding more logging to 0.0.126? i just tried to replicate the bug i had yesterday in lan and it didn't work (with 0.0.126)

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 12:19 AM

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no, the logging is not added

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 12:24 AM

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oh

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because i did lan testing for whitespike's updated lgu dll today

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the old dll was replicating the issue in 0.0.125 but not 0.0.126

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so if logging wasn't included in 0.0.126 what was the change

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 12:36 AM

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in 126 I added null check to prevent exception

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 12:37 AM

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honest oxide the old dll was replicating the issue in 0.0.125 but not 0.0.126

so with LGU fix .125 it still does throw exception? I could try again run the modpack with logging to see what mod causing it

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 12:43 AM

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polar willow so with LGU fix .125 it still does throw exception? I could try again run the mo...

no, lgu fix works with 0.0.125

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the unfixed lgu dll caused the bug with 0.0.125 but didn't with 0.0.126

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 1:08 AM

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ah ok

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 1:08 AM

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i'm assuming it didn't happen with .126 because of the null check

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 1:09 AM

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yep

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 8:59 AM

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@polar willow @agile oyster Unsure which mod is causing it but Sector A is consistently failing to generate entrances

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I also saw this error from CodeRebirth

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For what it's worth I'm trying the Pre-Release atm of LethalPerformance

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📎 LogOutput.log

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https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/v0xx/SectorAlpha_Interior/ this interior seems to be dying

Thunderstore

SectorAlpha Interior v1.0.2

A restored version of the original Sector-0's Interior (v1.1.4) with bugfixes

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I'll try disabling ButteryFixes rq and see if it repros since I know that touches fire exit stuff

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Okay it still doesn't generate entrances with Buttery off

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Gonna laugh if the Interior is just breaking cus the Sector 0 moon generates so many entrances tbh

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Well I'll find that out right now

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Okay it seems to be Lethal Performance

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I swapped back to 1.0.1 and it generated

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@polar willow is the interior doing something wrong with how it's generating entrances that's causing it to fail with the Pre-Release?

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 9:15 AM

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probably

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maybe no network object is attached to the entrance teleport?

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:16 AM

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@fleet aspen Is this the case? Cus I noticed Sector Beta generates fine

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:18 AM

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this is sector alpha specifically right

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i'll try it right now

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:19 AM

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honest oxide this is sector alpha specifically right

So far yeah, unsure if any other interiors might fail

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 9:19 AM

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yeah, im also trying

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:19 AM

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I set it to 9999 on Sector 0 and reprod it consistently

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:19 AM

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do you have a dynamic dungeon multiplier set

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:19 AM

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I even reverted the size to default values and it still happened

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:19 AM

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oh that answers it

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:20 AM

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I had it originally at 0.8 and 1.6

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but it still happened even with min 1 max 2

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which are the defaults

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:20 AM

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i could realistically see it failing at 0.8 but at defaults there's something wrong

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yeah so dungeon did generate (althought really big for some reason) but main entrance is blocked for me

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molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:24 AM

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Yeah I was consistently getting it blocked

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:24 AM

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i'll see if fire exit works

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:24 AM

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and Code Rebirth was sometimes saying the fire exit generations went wrong

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 9:25 AM

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honest oxide yeah so dungeon did generate (althought really big for some reason) but main ent...

that's diversity dungeon generation logs

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 9:25 AM

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molten light and Code Rebirth was sometimes saying the fire exit generations went wrong

code rebirth and buttery fixes currently logs if fire exit are failed to be assigned

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:25 AM

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molten light and Code Rebirth was sometimes saying the fire exit generations went wrong

those errors aren't generic exceptions either so it isn't just a normal CR being everywhere thing

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:26 AM

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polar willow that's diversity dungeon generation logs

yeah but it never really got that high before

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it only started after i installed LQ

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 9:35 AM

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entrance teleport is not spawned

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so that's why

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:38 AM

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Oh fun, do any other interiors in my pack have this issue?

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I'm amazed it works in general LOL

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:44 AM

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well uh if you have beanies storage complex that one doesnt have the issue

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cus thta was like the only modded one i could get to spawn today

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oh lost edifice doesn't have it either

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idk if u use those

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:45 AM

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Wesley's are likely also fine, this would explain why I've never seen masked leave when getting Sector A and Lost Edifice tbh

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Cus there is no entrance teleport for them to leave

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LOL

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:45 AM

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wdym

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:45 AM

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Masked enemies never go outside when you get those interiors

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:45 AM

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i literally just said lost edifice doesnt have the problem

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:45 AM

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ever

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Oh ah okay

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Well in Lost Edifice sometimes enemies derp out

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:46 AM

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if masks arent going outside on lost edifice you have a different problem

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:46 AM

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I think it's just an interior bug, I've noticed sometimes enemies lag a little and have navigation problems in the main room

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:47 AM

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i'll check sector beta rn

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 9:47 AM

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I already tested Beta

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it generated fine

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Alpha just needs to have an entrance teleport

honest oxide Mar 31, 2025, 9:48 AM

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well then

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whats another older interior i can check

fleet aspen Mar 31, 2025, 9:49 AM

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I haven't inspected if the doors are networked on alpha, it might be that, cause there were a lot of other similar inconsistencies. But the entrance tile itself is guaranteed to generate

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 10:03 AM

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fleet aspen I haven't inspected if the doors are networked on alpha, it might be that, cause...

Yeah it's just there's no entrance teleport

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lol

polar willow Mar 31, 2025, 10:03 AM

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it still there, but it's not networked

molten light Mar 31, 2025, 10:03 AM

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Ah okay yeah

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that would do it

polar willow Apr 1, 2025, 1:48 AM

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I think diffoz tweaks is missing physics interaction

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and I found some API that's adds physics with one method call

vestal nimbus Apr 1, 2025, 1:49 AM

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oh hell yeah

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we have such an amazing and hardworking community

atomic ravine Apr 1, 2025, 5:12 AM

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i think mirage needs that api too to make sound physics more realistic

dark hollow Apr 1, 2025, 6:07 AM

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polar willow and I found some API that's adds physics with one method call

sorry for the ping, is thunderstore working for you rn?

polar willow Apr 1, 2025, 6:07 AM

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it does work for me

dark hollow Apr 1, 2025, 6:08 AM

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polar willow it does work for me

😔

honest oxide Apr 1, 2025, 6:20 AM

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dark hollow 😔

for april fools, we took down the thunderstore

dark hollow Apr 1, 2025, 7:36 AM

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dark hollow 😔

fixed it by adding thunderstore to dpi blocker 😔

polar willow Apr 1, 2025, 9:36 AM

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diffoztweaks 1.2.0

Taa

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😼 👅

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and.. 1.2.1 bwah

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noo i forgot about physics api dependency 😭

dark hollow Apr 1, 2025, 9:45 AM

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polar willow diffoztweaks 1.2.0 Taa

https://tenor.com/view/ta-sigara-içen-tırtıl-smoking-caterpillar-caterpillar-suit-slideshow-man-gif-5688887934626720297

Tenor

molten light Apr 1, 2025, 9:46 AM

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It's funny cus I've never even had that JLL bug that 1.2.0 is fixing

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Clients could always buy items from the shop just fine

polar willow Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 AM

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the funny thing is that even using your pack it doesn't work for us

molten light Apr 1, 2025, 9:50 AM

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That is so weird LOL

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Clients buy the action figures and stuff all the time so I wonder why it fails on your end

stark marlin Apr 1, 2025, 10:47 AM

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diffoztweaks 1.2.0 makes half of my mods not load...

polar willow Apr 1, 2025, 11:07 AM

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stark marlin diffoztweaks 1.2.0 makes half of my mods not load...

use 1.2.1

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 9:03 AM

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made log system to see what interior have networkobject on the object

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even vanilla interior have NO, but looks like only for kill triggers

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:04 AM

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;o

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 9:07 AM

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also, why vanilla have 2 facility registered

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lunx profile

📎 message.txt

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:11 AM

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Technically Vanilla has 3 different versions of Facility

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lol

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Surprised it only registers 2 does that mean the one originally created for Titan is unused?

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Extra Large is the one Titan uses in Vanilla, I know LLL changes that by default

agile oyster Apr 2, 2025, 9:15 AM

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extra large is not used by anything in vanilla

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my guess is that it was created for titan at one point long long ago

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 9:16 AM

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polar willow lunx profile

alr, only sector a have entrance teleport not networked

agile oyster Apr 2, 2025, 9:16 AM

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but titan uses the base factory with a very large map size multiplier value

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 9:16 AM

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everything else looks good

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welp, if ignore a lot of AnimatedObjectTrigger

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:19 AM

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Ah maybe

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Tbf I'm not a fan of the one made for March either and how it generates so I feel like Extra Large would be cursed

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:22 AM

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agile oyster but titan uses the base factory with a very large map size multiplier value

Pre V50 Titan took a very long time to load and people would often call it the Titan loading experience cus it was the only moon that loaded extremely slow so it's possible Titan used the Extra Large versions in the V40-v49 builds

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That or maybe it just generated too large at the time

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Unsure

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:36 AM

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molten light Pre V50 Titan took a very long time to load and people would often call it the T...

idk titan still loads slow as shit in vanilla

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:36 AM

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Ah lol

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:36 AM

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the map size modifier is still really high

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and just going off of LLL's default settings extra large wasn't used by anything

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just level1flow and 3exits

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:37 AM

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My guess is Extra Large was used for it before he added the map size multipliers then

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:37 AM

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probably

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:37 AM

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3 exits is already weird since we know the normal facility can generate more than 2 just fine

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:38 AM

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i still think that's a side effect of LLL (unless batby would like to say i'm wrong)

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cus march is still the only vanilla moon with more than 1 exit

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i just don't think he accounted for it until march came along

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:39 AM

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I doubt that and the reason being is how often Mineshaft fails to generate more than 2 properly

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but maybe I'm wrong idk

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:39 AM

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i just attribute that to mineshaft having strange generation

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it also doesn't spawn on march

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only on planets with 1 fire exit

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:40 AM

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I've had it on March before when Rebalanced Moons allowed it

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In fact there was a bug at one point that made it only generate Mineshaft pretty much lmfao

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Idk if RM still does this btw

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:41 AM

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yeah but that's with rebalanced

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:41 AM

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I mainly use it for Titan

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:41 AM

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it's not allowed to spawn on march in vanilla

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:41 AM

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doesn't mean it can't though

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:42 AM

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it literally can't

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theres no weight for it

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:43 AM

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Yeah but that's cus Zeekerss didn't set it, you can still set it to with LLL and it will likely generate it

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:43 AM

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that's what i'm getting at

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it probably can't generate the fire exits for march correctly in base game

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:43 AM

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March might be my least favorite Vanilla moon nowadays tbh, when I first started playing it was my favorite but I replayed it a few months back and did not like the facility generation and how sparse loot was at all

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It's such a weird moon

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:44 AM

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that's cus march has a size mult of 2.0

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and not a lot of loot compared to titan which has 2.2

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:44 AM

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Yeah at the time I think I liked it most cus March was the most unique

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when Adamance came out that quickly became my favorite starter moon

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For a while before that I started off on Ass a lot though cus it was the best for loot

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:45 AM

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before v60 it was the ideal forest moon cus vow didn't have the buff from mineshaft and adamance got too hectic later in the day

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:45 AM

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I actually still loved Adamance though despite that lol

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:45 AM

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march's loot pool was pretty much vow's but better

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yeah i liked adamance a lot too but it does ramp up like crazy

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march doesn't have as extreme of a spawn curve

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 9:47 AM

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Well Adamance is high risk high reward

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so it makes sense

honest oxide Apr 2, 2025, 9:48 AM

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i think that's ok

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cus it's supposed to be the most difficult free moon before moving on to the paid ones

vestal nimbus Apr 2, 2025, 10:03 AM

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multi fire exit generation was made possible by LLL afaik

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vanilla cant do more than 1 or 3 as far as i can tell by itself

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 10:03 AM

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yeah

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here

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LLL search global prop by id and sets range to spawn to match fire exit count on moon

thorny spire Apr 2, 2025, 10:13 AM

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Isnt it just actually impossible to make other interiors spawn on March without doing extra stuff lol

vestal nimbus Apr 2, 2025, 10:14 AM

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yeah, since it's set to be the 3 fire exit facility

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 10:53 AM

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log of how many fire exit global prop (id 1231) spawnpoints on flows

vestal nimbus Apr 2, 2025, 10:57 AM

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whats it mean if there's 0?

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 10:57 AM

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welp idk

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maybe I did something wrong to calculate

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 12:02 PM

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ok, found the reason, forgot to include doorways

vestal nimbus Apr 2, 2025, 12:09 PM

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does that mean mineshaft supports only up to 6 fire exits?

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or is it like there are 6 tiles that can generate a fire exit

dark hollow Apr 2, 2025, 12:11 PM

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vestal nimbus or is it like there are 6 tiles that can generate a fire exit

i think this

polar willow Apr 2, 2025, 12:12 PM

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it means that all tiles only have 6 points for fire exit, only if duplicated tiles are not allowed

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and only 3 tiles can have fire exit

vestal nimbus Apr 2, 2025, 12:15 PM

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that explains quite a bit about mineshaft on absurd moons like cosmocos

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i wonder if you're able to read whether the tiles are able to duplicate there too

agile oyster Apr 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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molten light Pre V50 Titan took a very long time to load and people would often call it the T...

no extra large has been unused since at least v45

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size multiplier has existed since before v9

molten light Apr 2, 2025, 5:54 PM

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That's cool that LLL does that tbh

agile oyster Apr 2, 2025, 6:00 PM

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agile oyster size multiplier has existed since before v9

now interestingly extra large is not present in the files for v9

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meaning it was either created later, or zeekerss added it to roundmanager after v9 even though it was already no longer in use

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not sure

polar willow Apr 3, 2025, 12:15 PM

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1.2.2

Removed hotfix of JLL :(.

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:00 PM

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would it be worth doing something like going through all enemyAI's, doing GetComponentsInChildren<EnemyAICollisionDetect> to their prefab, and if the collider is a trigger, messing with the exclude/include layers?

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or is stuff like that too smoll to be noticeable/relevant

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i know something similar was done for like audioreverbtriggers in reverbfix by jacob (i think anyway)

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and enemyaicollisiondetect only ever cares about interacting with enemies and players

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i was spawning a bunch of dogs (probably over a 100) and noticed my frames dying to 2 fps despite a decently good pc, so i went to profile it (i turned off imperium cuz i felt it was unnecessary) and all of a sudden stuck around 50+ fps even with 100 dogs, i think imperium just couldnt handle that many dogs lol but i just noticed the enemyaicollisiondetect update method kind of popping out (i know that it's with a lot of enemy's though)

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my first time doing proper profiling with parameters and a seed greed

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        var enemyAICollisionDetects = self.GetComponentsInChildren<EnemyAICollisionDetect>();
        foreach (var enemyAICollisionDetect in enemyAICollisionDetects)
        {
            if (!enemyAICollisionDetect.gameObject.TryGetComponent(out Collider collider) || !collider.isTrigger) continue;
            collider.excludeLayers = ~LayerMask.GetMask("Player", "Enemies");
        }
``` this is all im doing on the enemyai's start just to test it temporarily lol

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average draw calls went from being 2000~1200 to 1400~600

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i dont know why it feels like every next frame is doubled in draw calls

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and i dont really know the significance of the improvement

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but it feels good?

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@polar willow pinging you because i need your opinion greed

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is it time for XuTweaks to be a reality

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:27 PM

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i dont understand how changing exclude layers on a collider affects draw calls

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but this does seem like a good change

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:28 PM

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on the OnTriggerStay of EnemyAICollisionDetect

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but yeah i dont really understand it either

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i just assume lower number = better

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:28 PM

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reverbtriggerfix hasn't displayed any noticeable issues from filtering to player/enemies/playerragdoll

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and it has the same player/enemies tag filtering

polar willow Apr 3, 2025, 4:29 PM

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vestal nimbus i was spawning a bunch of dogs (probably over a 100) and noticed my frames dying...

i see that ontriggerstay was called 2 times, so 1000 calls per fixed update

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:29 PM

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vestal nimbus i just assume lower number = better

less draw calls is better yeah it is just weird because nothing in this should be affecting draw calls

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unless maybe one of these functions is drawing gizmos or something but i dont know if that is even counted

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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there was the audioreverbtrigger's OnTriggerStay stuff also triggering under the EnemyAICollisionDetect's, i think that's why it says 2

polar willow Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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vestal nimbus average draw calls went from being 2000~1200 to 1400~600

you probably meant calls, not draw calls

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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i take horrible screenshots i can reload the game rq though

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oh

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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in any case

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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yeah i dont know where i got the "draw" from

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it is calls

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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i think this change would be good to make yeah

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:30 PM

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agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:31 PM

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it should be perfectly safe in vanilla

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:31 PM

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there we go

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yeah

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:31 PM

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and idk any mods that would break this behavior

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most mods are probably just using base enemyaicollisiondetect behavior

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:31 PM

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i might just look at random stuff like that, i'd also wanna test PlayerPhysicsRegions and see how that performs but it'd probably be similarly beneficial to do the same excluding

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:31 PM

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and doing custom stuff in their enemyAI

polar willow Apr 3, 2025, 4:32 PM

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vestal nimbus

this is with your patch?

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:32 PM

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yeah, the high end being 1300~1400

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:32 PM

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vestal nimbus i might just look at random stuff like that, i'd also wanna test PlayerPhysicsRe...

it looks like playerphysicsregions should be safe to limit to player/playerragdoll

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:32 PM

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low end being 600~700

polar willow Apr 3, 2025, 4:32 PM

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1400 total calls or 700 per fixed update is good

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compared to 1000 calls

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:33 PM

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agile oyster it looks like playerphysicsregions should be safe to limit to player/playerragdo...

i think so too, i have one of my enemies set up properly i just gotta check just incase cuz those can be a bit weird

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:34 PM

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im not sure how exclude layers affect raycasts

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it might cause issues with dropping items in a region, depending

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also a patch would need to account for different objects having multiple colliders

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old birds' physics region (which has to be added back with a mod, in fairness, but i mention it anyway) has 4 colliders and only 1 is a trigger

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:36 PM

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oh true

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:36 PM

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there's a solid collider for each shoulder and the head

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:36 PM

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it's all in one gameobject?

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:36 PM

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yes

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:37 PM

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assuming it's setup right, i can just grab the collider from the playerphysicsregion

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:37 PM

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also now that i think about it

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i think the main thing that would be likely to cause issues is just the possibility that mod devs could be attaching multiple scripts to the same trigger

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idk if anybody's actually doing that

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:38 PM

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i dont think people would necessairly do that with EnemyAICollisionDetect or PlayerPhysicsRegion

agile oyster Apr 3, 2025, 4:38 PM

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but that's the main thing i worry could break, in case someone is

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 4:38 PM

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yea

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worst case scenario i'd just add a blacklist with enemyName

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 7:03 PM

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i was talking a bit about it with zaggy, but since you're the person who caches it all, have you thought about turning a bunch of the string parameters in zeekerss animators into hashes to save the StringToHash operation unity does each animation parameter call? @polar willow

polar willow Apr 3, 2025, 7:21 PM

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hmm, I can try to replace all calls to use hash, not sure for a big change in performance tho

vestal nimbus Apr 3, 2025, 7:26 PM

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might not be a big change, i wanted to try it but my transpiler skills are nonexistent lol (plus i wasnt sure of a good way to store the hashes for each specific string)

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 3:06 AM

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cache everything!!

vestal nimbus Apr 4, 2025, 3:07 AM

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if you're not caching every single possible thing, you're not doing it right

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next lethal performance update caches all different variations of new WaitForSecond the game uses

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 3:21 AM

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polar willow cache everything!!

and then some mod decided to search every landmine every second and my caching is blows everything, because landmines are not cached 🤯

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 3:21 AM

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polar willow and then some mod decided to search every landmine every second and my caching i...

Who is doing that?

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🤔

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 3:22 AM

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who knows

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maybe someday we will see that mod

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 3:23 AM

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Btw do you know what affects boot time most atm outside of things like Scraps, AIO LLL bundles and MoreCompany Cosmetics? I would guess Interiors might since they always load into ram

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 3:24 AM

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isn't I send list of mods with load time here?

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 3:24 AM

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You might have at some point

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 3:24 AM

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polar willow maybe someone needed, the list of mods taking time to load

aaa

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 3:25 AM

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EnemySkinRegistry makes sense tbh

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WeatherRegistry and MoreCompany are quite slow, MoreCompany is mostly due to cosmetics I noticed

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Likewise EnemySkinRegistry is likely how many skin mods you have or how large the enemy skin mods are

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ShipWindowsBeta seems quite slow

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I knew SDM was slow to load

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GI is surprisingly slow tbh

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CR sped up quite a bit when I disabled the gals

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lol

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TakeyPlushies I removed but yeah I saw that spammed a lot of console stuff on launch that slowed boot times

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It was concerningly slow

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Enhanced Monsters should be faster than SellBodiesFixed right?

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Cruiser mods are admittedly slower than I would have expected them to be

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@polar willow I wonder what is so slow in GI and Buttery Fixes

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🤔

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 3:35 AM

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patching

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 3:36 AM

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LethalSettings can just be disabled when not needed to prevent that from slowing down things tbh

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it's mostly useful for configuring a few things in Mirage

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LethalElements is quite slower than I thought it was lol

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Same goes for ScienceBird Tweaks

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Why is Emergency Dice adding 960ms to load times though?

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Is it cus of the features like the debug menu and stuff?

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Cruiser Additions I can just remove, it's nice for the feature of moving items into the ship but I'm trying to debloat the pack and reduce boot times before I play Lethal again eventually lol

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ShipWindowsBeta feels so insane compared to how quick Fumo and Mel's mods load

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peepoLie

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Wtf

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lol

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Good to know Starlancer's load pretty quickly btw, I pulled them since AIO bundles slow LLL down on loading bundles but I really love StarlancerZero so I'll add them back in

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I felt like SDM and a few other mods affected it more

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Replacing Loadstone Beta with Stable will probably help with Loadstone's Boot times, for some reason the size difference is insane

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Why is Beta 3.2mb?

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lol

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I only had it cus I needed the blacklist feature for Art Gallery before but that got merged into stable

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I'm gonna guess it's cus Beta has the extra Object Pooling feature potentially

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@vale flower Am I correct here? 👀

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God we really need an optimized emote mod tbh

honest oxide Apr 4, 2025, 4:19 AM

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Is TME not optimized

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 4:19 AM

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It adds almost 2000 ms to boot times

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lol

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Maybe optimization isn't the right word here but that is a lot to add to boot times tbh

honest oxide Apr 4, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Frankly with the amount of animation files it adds, 2 seconds isn't much

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Fair I suppose

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It's more reasonable than TakeyPlush doing it

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Dunno if I feel like LethalElements should add 2s to boot times though

dark hollow Apr 4, 2025, 5:03 AM

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polar willow and then some mod decided to search every landmine every second and my caching i...

time to do stress test

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 5:07 AM

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https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JKGD42RA67FVKSM7QBQZDJYJ/4x.webp

dark hollow Apr 4, 2025, 5:15 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/кот-курит-кот-услышал-тебя-родной-cat-smoke-cat-ai-gif-10837468945082932083

Tenor

vale flower Apr 4, 2025, 5:32 AM

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molten light Why is Beta 3.2mb?

for some reason it seems to have the old loading music
dunno why it does, not a hard fix though

molten light Apr 4, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Ah that explains it lol

polar willow Apr 4, 2025, 7:42 AM

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I've pushed off-branch lethal performance 0.0.127 with behaviour caching, if no major issue happen, then I'll merge it to the experimental branch

worthy fulcrum Apr 4, 2025, 9:45 PM

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why does lethalperformance keep boosting itself up the recently added/updated mod list even though it got no updates according to the changelog and "last updated" text?

honest oxide Apr 4, 2025, 9:46 PM

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worthy fulcrum why does lethalperformance keep boosting itself up the recently added/updated mo...

it's updates for experimental version

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they're numbered 0.0.12x

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so modman doesnt think theyre the most recent but it still brings it up as a new version

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also just diffoz not keeping a changelog

worthy fulcrum Apr 4, 2025, 9:47 PM

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buh

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i see

polar willow Apr 5, 2025, 2:45 AM

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no changelog is also because thunderstore returns it from the latest version, so from experimental you won't see updated changelog

honest oxide Apr 5, 2025, 3:21 AM

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oh, right

polar willow Apr 5, 2025, 2:46 PM

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polar willow I've pushed off-branch lethal performance 0.0.127 with behaviour caching, if no ...

alr, looks like stable enough to merge it to experimental branch

molten light Apr 5, 2025, 5:50 PM

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polar willow alr, looks like stable enough to merge it to experimental branch

Is 0.0.126 gonna become stable branch?

honest oxide Apr 5, 2025, 6:32 PM

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Preferably .127, from what I know it doesn't cause any issues

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(That the previous versions didn't cause from things like unspawned entranceteleport)

molten light Apr 5, 2025, 11:23 PM

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True

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 3:06 AM

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molten light Is 0.0.126 gonna become stable branch?

.127 will be stable branch, when half of interior & map improvements fix their networking stuff

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from what I understand:

Tolian interiors
Sector Alpha interior
Tartarus interior
Map Improvements mod

are not spawning entrance teleport correctly

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or if matty would release entrance teleport fix & optimization, then I will probably just add thunderstore dependency on that

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 3:43 AM

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polar willow or if matty would release entrance teleport fix & optimization, then I will prob...

what would that do?

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also i agree it would be better to push that on stable when everything else gets fixed

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luckily it seems like an easy fix in most cases?

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:14 AM

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@polar willow is this cus of LethalPerformance? The main entrance that generated was above the stairs, and this generated here in the original spot for some reason, I walked into it for science and died LOL

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I've never seen this happen before

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😆

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but I was testing 0.0.127 here

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📎 LogOutput.log

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 7:18 AM

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lol

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let me check that tile

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:19 AM

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oh i've seen that too

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didn't really attribute it to this mod though

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 7:26 AM

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molten light <@246493000732114944> is this cus of LethalPerformance? The main entrance that g...

very strange is that doorway cutoff happens, because looking at the tile in editor it doesn't have one

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can some mod add cutoff for doorway?

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:27 AM

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uuuh

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my best guess is chameleon

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but idr if it replaces that door object

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:28 AM

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polar willow can some mod add cutoff for doorway?

Maybe LLL adds it?

agile oyster Apr 6, 2025, 7:28 AM

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i dont touch this mesh (or this room in general) in chameleon

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:29 AM

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01960a00-31eb-5565-e9c3-2b0a4a6e0a6e Here's the pack I was running as a test, moon was StarlancerZero and the seed should be in the log

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I wonder if it's cus I swapped out Loadstone for the stable version somehow

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otherwise my guess is it's one of the recently updated mods

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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not loadstone

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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Got ya

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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it's some mod that changes this tile mesh

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:31 AM

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@vapid olive is RebalancedMoons touching it at all?

vapid olive Apr 6, 2025, 7:31 AM

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I don't change tiles

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the only thing interior related I do is allow march to generate other vanilla interiors out of the box

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:32 AM

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Well some mod that recently updated in my pack apparently is touching tiles I just dunno what

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lol

vapid olive Apr 6, 2025, 7:33 AM

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vapid olive the only thing interior related I do is allow march to generate other vanilla in...

oh shoot also the titan lights i suppose

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but like, i dont do anything to change how interiors look or generate

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im saving that for another project

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:34 AM

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I doubt JLL touches tiles but that is one of the things that recently updated among with a few interior mods

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and I can imagine an interior mod might do it

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Maybe LC Office?

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Actually I wonder if Wesley accidentally left something in cus he messed with Interiors for his April Fools update

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I'll shot him a dm

vapid olive Apr 6, 2025, 7:37 AM

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lol wtf ya theres no hole there

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haunted game

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:38 AM

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I would guess it's most likely an interior mod but I did dm Wesley just incase

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lol

agile oyster Apr 6, 2025, 7:39 AM

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i think there used to be a hole here before v62

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when the main entrance always generated at the bottom

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:39 AM

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Yeah

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Lemme test disabling LC Office

agile oyster Apr 6, 2025, 7:40 AM

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if a mod is still referencing the old mesh (for example, doesn't generic's backrooms interior have a manor start tile?)

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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It does but I've not seen it happen before with his interiors

agile oyster Apr 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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maybe sponge mesh dedupe is fucking up

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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Worth testing disabling that though

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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agile oyster maybe sponge mesh dedupe is fucking up

I don't have dedupe on I don't think

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Lemme check

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Okay de dupe meshes is on

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However I've had Manor plenty of times and not seen that

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But you could be onto something about it being cus of Generic's

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Not LC Office

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testing disabling Generic's

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Once I isolate it I'll test with de dupe off

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It's cus of Generic Interiors

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@restive minnow

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Let's see if it's a de dupe issue now or a Generic issue

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I'm leaning more towards Generic since I'm unsure why de dupe meshes would replace tiles but I'm more than happy to be wrong lol

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Okay well

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it's a thing with Generic's + de dupe meshes

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Thanks Lethal Sponge

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lol

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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agile oyster maybe sponge mesh dedupe is fucking up

You called it at least

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lol

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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honest oxide my best guess is chameleon

we figured it out, turn off de dupe meshes in LethalSponge

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It's replacing that tile with the one from Generic's Backrooms Manor one

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a fix could be if Generic feels up for updating the tile to the one without the hole but I feel like that's unnecessary

restive minnow Apr 6, 2025, 7:54 AM

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molten light It's replacing that tile with the one from Generic's Backrooms Manor one

Literally how and why

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:54 AM

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restive minnow Literally how and why

Probably cus it has the same name so LethalSponge just pulls the version of the tile from your interior and uses it thinking it's the right one

restive minnow Apr 6, 2025, 7:54 AM

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If it was replacing it with my entry tile it would also have facility and a massive backrooms section under it

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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I think it just replaced that specific wall tile but not sure lol, I did see a lot under it when I walked into the void and fell to my death

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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molten light we figured it out, turn off de dupe meshes in LethalSponge

ah, i guess it makes sense i havent seen it since because i had all the dedupes off

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Yeah that setting comes off by default now, I just never turned it off before cus it didn't cause issues

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LethalSponge at it again

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lol

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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i mean

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Still was kinda funny to see that happen at least

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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i interpret the sponge deduping settings as a last resort for low end machines

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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de duping is a good idea but in reality it's more problematic than beneficial

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Yeah

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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like 7 year old integrated graphics kinda last resort

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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My WIP update to my pack has optimized things quite a bit btw, I pulled a lot of stuff and stripped it down there was so much that I felt like was just extra bloat

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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like what

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ever since i found the problem child in mine its just gotten bigger lmao

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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some moons and interiors, but mostly a lot of the small mods like AutoScroll and other stuff that I just didn't need

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or mods that made stormy better, I rather just disable stormy

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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oh you mean that one that makes nothing conductive

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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Cus the more mods the more the game has to load, the longer it takes to boot

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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molten light <@246493000732114944> is this cus of LethalPerformance? The main entrance that g...

cc @alpine raven

Probably add this tile mesh to ignore list

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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so pulling a lot of those small unnecessary mods that aren't useful helps

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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honest oxide oh you mean that one that makes nothing conductive

Yeah I was using ProtectConductiveItems and Better Lightning before lol

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I also pulled some mods like the NymphBracken, I like her but I wish she was her own enemy tbh

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not a Bracken replacer

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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i stopped using betterlightning because it would spam errors

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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That I never ran into

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lol

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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it also was just something that didnt really matter to me

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i only noticed its effect like twice

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:02 AM

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Lmao fair

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I think I've removed and switched out too many things at this point to put it into a changelog

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:02 AM

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fair

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since i upload on ts i just write the changelog in real time

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:03 AM

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I somehow found out LobbyImprovements was what was causing the weird stuff with the shutter switch in ShipWindowsBeta when I removed it, cus I didn't feel LobbyImprovements did enough

vestal nimbus Apr 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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honest oxide since i upload on ts i just write the changelog in real time

the 3 month coderebirth update with the changelog being 5 lines:

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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what was it doing with the switch

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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after removing it it the switch no longer does the sound every time someone joins or leaves the lobby, the voice line for the ship landing also works and is no longer broken

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Idk why LI was causing that stuff but it was

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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did you bring it up to 1a3

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:05 AM

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I did and he had no idea why lol

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:05 AM

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do you notice if it spams that sound when doing lobby open or lobby close

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:05 AM

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I also let Test know so maybe when he's feeling better from being sick he can figure it out

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Well the sound would kinda play spammed when landing the ship with a lobby of people remember? It would stack the sound to play per player so you would hear it click multiple times when it closed to land the more players you had lol

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:06 AM

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uhhhh i think after the lever anim was done

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:07 AM

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Yeah

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:07 AM

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i just know it spams when doing lobby open

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it probably does it for each unassigned player object

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:07 AM

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Mhm

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There's probably something that LobbyImprovements hooks into that TestAccount also has to hook into and there's some weird behavior of some sort

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I'm sure him and 1A3 will figure it out

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But now that I think about it, I wonder if that's why when in just a lobby of 2 people there's sometimes an extra empty player head you can see while dead from Poltergeist as well, some oddity from LobbyImprovements

honest oxide Apr 6, 2025, 8:10 AM

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i don't think i've seen that

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where was it

molten light Apr 6, 2025, 8:10 AM

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I mean you won't see it unless you die

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lol

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But it's happened a few times for me

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I just always guessed it was a random Poltergeist bug

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lol

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 9:26 AM

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hmm

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sadly with all optimization enabled it causing some issues with inlining

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if I disable aggressive-inlining then works fine

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https://github.com/DaZombieKiller/JitInspector?tab=readme-ov-file#jit-configuration

GitHub

GitHub - DaZombieKiller/JitInspector: JIT codegen inspector for Unity

JIT codegen inspector for Unity. Contribute to DaZombieKiller/JitInspector development by creating an account on GitHub.

robust dock Apr 6, 2025, 10:34 AM

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polar willow sadly with all optimization enabled it causing some issues with inlining

with soft compat? or how so? this seems promising, I'm surprised tail calls aren't a default

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although I suppose game logic isn't likely to benefit from that so much as low level implementation

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others might be more significant

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very interesting

polar willow Apr 6, 2025, 10:36 AM

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robust dock with soft compat? or how so? this seems promising, I'm surprised tail calls aren...

if mod looks for the mod attribute from stackframes, then it will not work correctly

robust dock Apr 6, 2025, 10:37 AM

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oh god

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I see

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not a fan of that pattern anyway but if it's in an API I guess we're stuck with it

fallen ember Apr 6, 2025, 1:58 PM

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polar willow or if matty would release entrance teleport fix & optimization, then I will prob...

i'll soon ( in a day or two ) make a github for it so you can double check my logic before i publish it ( if you want obvs )

alpine raven Apr 6, 2025, 5:47 PM

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polar willow cc <@260587965456056331> Probably add this tile mesh to ignore list

Yeah, best to just not use the De-Dupe options unless your machine absolutely needs the memory saves. There are way too many overlaps in mods for it to be a general use feature sadly.
That one is interesting though, the wall mesh must have the same name, bounds, and number of vertices despite having that hole there.

agile oyster Apr 6, 2025, 7:14 PM

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alpine raven Yeah, best to just not use the De-Dupe options unless your machine absolutely ne...

it would most likely have the same name and bounds

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curious how the vertex count could be identical

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