Problematic Pilotry & Scaled Fall Damage

[amber ferry]

alright I think I have it fixed

I put out 1.3.1; tell me if it fixes the company issue for you

[amber ferry]

would especially appreciate if someone could test this in multiplayer because I can see a way this might result in desyncs :) I sincerely hope not though

[untold spear]

i'll test it in multiplayer soon

how could it possibly desync though

different ship positions for everyone?

[untold spear]

it's definitely not synced :(

[amber ferry]

yeah nice

I know what the problem is anyway

[amber ferry]

put out 1.3.2 which hopefully fixes this issue

and maybe also this one

would once again appreciate testing

[icy thistle]

Oh yea, I had an issue with the ship's landing spot sometimes. On artifice, it landed halfway in the fence(blocking off half the ship) and on top of the facility(impossible to play) and on titan it was on the middle of the steps on the left, having the steps block our way out the ship

[amber ferry]

interesting

will look into stuff like that once the basic functionality works again

might add an option to just outright delete colliding objects lol

can't see that going wrong

[icy thistle]

oh surely not

[untold spear]

it was actually so surreal lol, like my friend would get off the ship and just vanish from thin air

or walk towards seemingly nothing just to suddenly teleport onto the ship

[coarse mango]

Hey I just thought about a feature for Problematic Pilotry it could be simple, more chances of "problematic" landing when the weather is present
None weather would get very low chances of problematic landing, Rainy would get slighty higher chance, foggy would get even increased, stormy, eclipsed

I know the config file already has a probability setting but, I just wanted to share a thought I had

[amber ferry]

that's not a bad idea really

[amber ferry]

I've seen it myself before it behaves very weirdly

[steady torrent]

if you wanted to add compat with custom weathers you could also implement a soft dependency with weather registry to read modded weathers or smth, right?

[odd pine]

interesting placement for cosmocos

[icy thistle]

We are getting huge desync when it comes to the ship placement

some people's ship will be like across the map and others will be in the normal spot

[winter trench]

I said earlier that the navmesh ends up in the correct spot if widership or 2story ship is installed. After some testing, however, I've discovered that those mods no longer fix it in Problematic Pilotry versions 1.3 and higher. In fact, attempting to land with Problematic and Widership installed together throws an exception and prevents landing unless I also have 2story

I wonder if the crash is happening because of the partially-implemented navmesh adjustment in this mod. I saw a couple of log messages about the navmesh being moved

Here's the log, but it probably won't help much because Wider Ship is the one throwing the exception

[uncut blaze]

Windblown Leaves, you most likely forgot or didn't see, but:

[amber ferry]

thing is that I can’t test for this

I use networking to communicate the new position to all clients and when there’s a difference in load time between computers it makes things really funky

might redo the whole mod from scratch tbh code is kind of a mess with all the half-assed fixes now

[amber ferry]

I have cosmocos on blacklist in my own pack; it doesn’t work for whatever reason

I’ll probably deprecate the mod later until I have it redone

if you all have suggestions now’s probably a good time so I don’t have to refactor later

[gray kayak]

in your new update gordion has sync issues now @amber ferry
so for other players the ship lands somewhere else
for other moons it seems fine though
even though gordion is on the blacklist for me and my mate

[icy thistle]

It's on all moons I think, not just a Gordon issue

[amber ferry]

yeah probably even the desyncs are inconsistent as they depend on the difference in computer speed lol

[amber ferry]

past me apparently foresaw it all

[latent vessel]

Great mod ❤️

[amber ferry]

it is broken but thanks

okay so

MAYBE

this update fixes it

on god can someone please confirm whether this unfucks everything or not

like, this worked fine just now in my testing, but LAN testing for networking is also notoriously unreliable in my experience

[icy thistle]

3.1.2?

[amber ferry]

1.3.3

might take like an hour to update

[icy thistle]

ah ok, Ill wait til it does it

Is this to fix the fact that sometimes the ship does random land for some clients and not others

the thing I mentioned earlier

[amber ferry]

all of the reported issues

desyncs, detached ship parts, gordion issues, navmesh

well, navmesh problems with wider ship/two story ship

I just don't know if the fix works outside of my test environment

[gray kayak]

@amber ferry do you know the lethalmin mod? Do you think problematic pilotry could be made compatible? As the minions go to the ladder of the ship every time this seems to be the ancor point. Ofc the ship has a different rotation everytime but im confident that you could make it work somehow. Otherwise as of now the minions just get stuck below the ship everytime so they and the scrap are lost

[amber ferry]

this probably has to do with the navmesh

[latent vessel]

does this mod now work?

and does this work on modded moons as well?

[amber ferry]

maybe

feel free to test it and report

[latent vessel]

i tested it on vanilla moons

entities sometimes phase through the ship

had a dog biting through the floor

[amber ferry]

that is a known bug; yes

it has to do with the missing navmesh that proves very difficult to regenerate for some reason

you can use wider ship or two-story ship to address the issue temporarily (assuming I fixed issues with those last patch)

what I'm most interested in is whether this patch fixes position synchronisation issues between players (i.e. the ship landing in two different positions in multiplayer)

[latent vessel]

yeah it was fixed

played with 4 others

no problems whatsoever

only like the ship landing on a very hard to reach spot, not even like remotely flat

ontop of a hill and making us unable to carry 2 handed loot to the ship

[amber ferry]

good to hear though

I'll be reworking the algorithm in the future but it won't ever be perfect since I don't hand-place the spots

future versions will include a depth check that influences landing spots to some degree though

[icy thistle]

This mod is probably up there as one of the only features I'd love to be implemented into the official game. It doesn't feel like it strays from Zeekerss's game design, it adds more variability and unpredictability, and can completely change how you play moons sometimes

Hell, I've had it where you land outside the fencing on the left side of artifice, it was super easy to get in by jumping from the railing over the fence, but the way back was hellish, it made it feel like a completely different moon

[amber ferry]

yeah it would be cool to have even just a few hand-picked spots for each planet where the ship could land

in my experience even in my own friend group my mod's super hit-or-miss though lol

you either hate this or love it it seems

[white prism]

ahhh rip

id love a way for handpicked spots, but i dont even want to imagine how problematic that could be to implement

[amber ferry]

it's probably very doable but the question is how you'd specify the positions - I'm not about to program an in-game editor to move and save ship locations

without this, mod pack makers would have to know coordinates

it's just out of the scope of what I want to do mostly

Problematic Pilotry & Scaled Fall Damage

Decided to include my smaller mod (ScaledFallDamage) in this thread for better access. I've also updated that mod to indicate v69 compatibility (no code changes).

going forward, if there are any questions, suggestions or problems regarding that one, share them here

[steady torrent]

only time it's annoying is when the ship is impossible to reach thru normal means

[latent vessel]

just noticed when lifting off the ship sometimes phases through the facility and as a result of this players glitch out the ship and fell to their death

[latent vessel]

i think this is only a problem on experimentation though

[jaunty knot]

How is yours scalled fall damage compared to this mod https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/thej01/LethalWeight/

[amber ferry]

I had a section about this on the original mod's page

that mod was actually the one that made me implement my own solution

1. it's 11 months old
2. it isn't configurable
3. it hooks into update which runs every frame

scaled fall damage has also been tested pretty extensively with various mods back in the original thread and received a few updates to allow for good compat

[amber ferry]

yeah. it can happen occasionally but should be a rare occurence

if it happens a lot something is wrong

[latent vessel]

most of the time it happens, could be because i halved that one value

cant remember the name

[amber ferry]

let me try a few landings and see

[latent vessel]

so theres a lower chance of it going to a goofy place

which means it has a higher chance of it standing to close to the facility

[amber ferry]

I run a check for free path though

should really only happen in exceptions

[latent vessel]

oh yeah

[jaunty knot]

And is this other mod by him have features that are already in your mod https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/thej01/DynamicFallDamage/

[amber ferry]

this does something else. my mod doesn't create a smooth fall damage curve - it only scales the vanilla system to deal more damage sooner when carrying things

it also doesn't allow for configuration, and he suggests pairing it with the mod that runs every update

[amber ferry]

which planet?

[woven arrow]

experimentation

[amber ferry]

huh

let me try too

[amber ferry]

didn't happen once for me during 10 landings on experimentation

[amber ferry]

can't reproduce this either

does it happen every time? do you have any mods that modify the dropship?

[woven arrow]

no it just happened right now and i have mod that fasten the dropship

[latent vessel]

bruh

happened to me 3 times in a row

[amber ferry]

incompatibility probably

any mods that modify landings or experimentation?

[amber ferry]

let me try

[latent vessel]

nope

[amber ferry]

can you reproduce it without mods...?

besides mine

[amber ferry]

this one?

[woven arrow]

es

yes

also i use MapImprovements

[amber ferry]

I see; will test with both

[latent vessel]

ill try

couldve been really bad luck aswell

[amber ferry]

unlikely... it should really only happen maybe once every 20-50 runs if at all

[latent vessel]

cant recreate it

can phase through other objects tho

like the watertower thing

[amber ferry]

yep

[steady torrent]

there's also a faster dropship upgrade in LGU if you wanna check that one

[amber ferry]

objects that have holes in them can dodge the path raycasts lol

might see about using a volume cast instead

[amber ferry]

... I could add this as a configurable feature to my own mod

since it already has dropship timer modifications

[steady torrent]

that'd be neato

[latent vessel]

awesom-o

[amber ferry]

so I tried all 3 mapimprovements variants of experimentation and faster dropship

cannot reproduce

[woven arrow]

hmmm

i mean it happened just once

[amber ferry]

if you have a weird bug with other mods, that's probably incompatibilities. I'd be very grateful to anyone able to pinpoint the exact mod mine isn't compatible with

i.e. go through all mods

most efficient algorithm would be to disable half of all mods, see if bug present, then either disable half of that or reenable half of the remaining mods and keep going until down to one mod

lot of work

[amber ferry]

I suspect that either a) the dropship may have been moved within its container (by some mod) and so the relative offset is changed - if the map creator doesn't mark it as static, I might be able to address this by simply changing the relative position (for custom maps, some of which exhibit this problem)

or b) for some inexplicable reason the dropship hit a collider in the sky that also has navmesh

that would be out of my control I think

did you turn off path verification by any chance? it's there to check if the ship can be reached

[woven arrow]

nope, its on

[amber ferry]

weird

[woven arrow]

okay lets say its randomly a bug on my modpack, if it keeps happening ill report it here

[amber ferry]

great

[vestal swan]

scaled fall damage my goat :]

[amber ferry]

it's your child

I'll get around to making more music eventually too I promise

[vestal swan]

no rush.
Hope you saw the announcements about the anniversary and the update :]

[amber ferry]

I see you have a big update coming soon!

[woven arrow]

welp, it is still happening but only on experimentation with mapimprovements on(where the hill goes up to the railway)

[amber ferry]

hm... are you able to pinpoint it to one specific variant (a, b, c) or is it all of them?

I figure that the creator of mapimprovements added some collider that isn't in the original experimentation

this is likely something they'd need to address

in any case this explains why I wasn't able to reproduce it - I only tested once for each variant

you could try setting dropshipRandomDistance to a much lower number such as 5

this might either break my mod or help with your problem :)

[amber ferry]

uhhhh no one's mentioned this yet but does my mod break cruiser deliveries??

because it does for me rn while I'm testing another feature

[uncut blaze]

Are you testing with Imperium enabled?

[amber ferry]

oh yeah

that it?

[uncut blaze]

this is a problem with imperium, quite an old one

[amber ferry]

welp alright

[amber ferry]

so this works now

will be in the next update probably

[steady torrent]

WAHOOO

[amber ferry]

should be compatible with other mods too if you prefer to use those

it'll come disabled by default

[icy thistle]

We landed on the adamance bridge and it collapsed instantly and now we are stuck here

cuz we cant reach the ship

[winter trench]

Yeah, that happens occasionally

It's because there are AI nodes on the bridge

And the ship chose one of those to land at

[amber ferry]

lmao

not sure how to address that tbh

[amber ferry]

so the plan is to fix the navmesh issues (it really can’t be so hard 😭) and release that together with the faster dropship feature for 1.4 and then rework the algorithm for 1.5

after that it’s new features

the dropship mimic fever dream is still alive and so is the idea to have masked crews land in their own ships

I think it’d be hilarious to get lost and then finally find a ship and thinking you’ve made it only to find that isn’t yours

also per-planet chances and weather-based modifiers

text-based info for bad landings has been suggested before and chatgpt gave me this idea for silly pilot commentary

so this might be an optional feature

thoughts?

[granite forge]

It’s canon that the ship runs off ChatGPT

[uncut blaze]

Not sure about chatgpt but it def ai powered according to manual and speaker at the begining

[icy thistle]

Dude, better idea, other crews sometimes landing to try and take scrap from inside and basically just acting as a rival crew

And hell, you could even steal some scrap from them

[amber ferry]

I’ll just connect two separate lobbies

[icy thistle]

I have always wanted that

[amber ferry]

least insane mod suggestion

[icy thistle]

I've always wanted to occasionally run into other crews

The ai crew could have moods, like sometimes they would be aggressive, sometimes they would be friendly, and sometimes neutral

The idea of needing someone to stay at the ship to make sure the other crew doesn't try and steal your shit is so funny

And imagine trying to perform a heist on their ship

[latent vessel]

battle royale inside the facility

or just on the entire moon

[amber ferry]

doors lock once you enter

open only when one player is left standing

[steady torrent]

the bridge has a script, so maybe you could check if the AI node is within a certain range of that scripted object?

[amber ferry]

future algorithm will have weightings for distance to main entrance and drop distance

that might already be enough

[steady torrent]

oo coolio

[amber ferry]

@uncut blaze if I can't figure it out next time I look at my code would you walk me through how you do the navmesh

because I basically copied your approach and it still doesn't seem to work

I must be making a silly mistake somewhere

[uncut blaze]

ok

just ping me or dm if you need help

[amber ferry]

thanks. I'd like to get the current state of the mod functional before I focus on feature updates

[amber ferry]

it isn't tagged and it's navmeshmodifier rather than navmeshsurface. I copied this from a vanilla planet. should I be tagging it as outsidelevelnavmesh or be using a navmeshsurface component?

[uncut blaze]

it should be navmesh modifier

give me a minute, i will open my unity project

[amber ferry]

looks to be identical

[uncut blaze]

yeah

[amber ferry]

alright so the asset gets placed correctly (I can see it in imperium's free cam mode) and I run this code upon landing

it runs long after everything related to placing the navmesh colliders has been done

but there's still no navmesh on the ship

I'm honestly not sure what I'm missing

[uncut blaze]

most likely won't help, but have you tried moving the navmesh rebuild to [HarmonyPostfix, HarmonyPatch(typeof(RoundManager), "FinishGeneratingLevel")]?

also you should check where your gameobject is located on scene with UnityExplorer

[uncut blaze]

i mean "file structure", not coordinates

[amber ferry]

does it need to be parented to a specific thing

[uncut blaze]

to the same thing where original navmesh was

[amber ferry]

let me just try that

[uncut blaze]

aka to this

[amber ferry]

yes

heck

[uncut blaze]

[amber ferry]

okay so check this out lol

I suppose modifying the hierarchy while moving stuff isn't a good idea

[uncut blaze]

yeah

not sure why do you want to move each object when you can just delete old ship navmesh and replace it with your

if you looking at my code, then its because some custom moons have some weird shit with detecting where is player

[amber ferry]

what do you mean?

[uncut blaze]

referring to this
https://github.com/xntkrnl/WiderShipMod/blob/master/WiderShipMod/Methods/Navmesh.cs#L56-L62

[amber ferry]

oh right

[amber ferry]

I think just deleting it messes with your mod possibly?

[uncut blaze]

i think so

[amber ferry]

I'm not sure but apparently I released an update at some point that broke your mod fixing my mod

so I undid all the navmesh changes temporarily

[uncut blaze]

Actually, if it is convenient for you, you can wait until I write an API for custom ships. You can take the game object from there (most likely I will make an event in which I will pass the navmesh game object) and you can move it in your mod

api will rebuild navmesh after event

[amber ferry]

that's cool

but like

I now move and parent my custom colliders

delete the old ones

and the navmesh rebuilds but it still remains in the original place?

there's nothing there anymore so what's going on

[uncut blaze]

are you sure that this patch actually runs?

[uncut blaze]

and imperium can be stupid sometimes

you can spawn dog and just run around ship and inside/outside

[amber ferry]

wait

you're right

[uncut blaze]

usualy when you doing something at runtime

like spawning hazards and some other things before map loads

[uncut blaze]

so ig it is working now for you?

[amber ferry]

yeah I'm testing

seems to work

the problem appears to have been the lack of parenting

lines you can say during unity programming and in court

[uncut blaze]

you prob need to do blacklist for moons btw

[uncut blaze]

haha

[amber ferry]

I have a blacklist feature

nothing in it by default though other than gordion

and that one doesn't even do anything

or do you mean for navmesh specifically?

[uncut blaze]

like do not rebuild navmesh on some moons

the only reason this exist is because some moons will not be on good terms with you

[amber ferry]

I mean the whole reason I'm placing my own stuff is because some mod authors mark things as static

I'll see how it works with custom moons

[uncut blaze]

yeah, same reason for me

but if moon in blacklist, it will only place

if whitelist - place and rebuild navmesh

[amber ferry]

well I just tried infernis

it works but building the navmesh took ages

jesus

[amber ferry]

what does that do?

do the moons rebuild their own navmesh or what

[uncut blaze]

sometimes

like vanila

if game decide to place big rock

or pumpkin

[uncut blaze]

like usc vortex

oh god i cant imagine how horrible it will be on usc vortex

[amber ferry]

btw is it enough to run the navmesh calculation on the host because entities are synced

you have an option for this right

huh

[amber ferry]

ok I think I'll be lowering the maximum distance the spot can be picked from AI nodes DRASTICALLY and I advise you to do the same in your config

new default will be 10 rather than 50

should solve a lot of the really weird spots

[amber ferry]

I put out 1.3.4; let me know how it works for you

let's see how many things I broke this time

[uncut blaze]

yeah

i even have this by default iirc

[amber ferry]

great now entities are desynced

woah I really hope this is an imperium issue or something because things are a complete mess

oh neat desynced positions are back

[uncut blaze]

how do you sync your ship btw?

[amber ferry]

entity desync is probably because the ships are desynced again :)

I'm getting errors on the clients so that's the reason

the way I sync them is by using network variables

complex

[uncut blaze]

why not just call ServerRpc on the host to transmit the position and rotation?

[uncut blaze]

doubt it

[amber ferry]

okay issue appears fixed for the time being

1.3.5 out in a moment

[amber ferry]

it was the error clients were getting

[amber ferry]

I don't know what you mean by this exactly but I'm probably doing something similar in effect

clients are set to listen for changes in a network variable which contains position and rotation

[uncut blaze]

yeah

[amber ferry]

the server sets the variable, the change is detected and then the position is adjusted

[latent vessel]

whats the new update about?

[vestal swan]

bugfixes

[latent vessel]

ah cool

[odd pine]

So in the future will there be a fix for the bad spots rather than lowering down the distance? (I liked landing in the middle of admance or vow)

[white prism]

Sorry im just popping in, what is a example of 50 to 10?

is it the imperium mod units?

[odd pine]

I think 50 to 10 meaning

Distance between ai nodes like

50 radius would have a lot more ai nodes to choose where to land

10 radius would have limited ai nodes to choose where to land but it would somewhat be a different spot. But not completely different like with the 50 radius. (Which I mean is fair cause you could sometimes land in the most crazy spots with 50 radius. Like floating above one single ai node on top of a giant hill on offense)

Not sure about imperium stuff for mod units though.

[white prism]

hmmm i wonder how it works on maps with less ai nodes then

[amber ferry]

no

it's the distance in game units/meters from each ai node

before it was up to 50 meters from whatever ai node was picked but this is excessive

it'd end you up on mountains or such occasionally

lowering the distance means the ship will land somewhere within the playable area

there's not much point landing outside of it anyway because nothing will spawn there

[amber ferry]

it is up to map makers to distribute ai nodes evenly of course so there's a broad area covered

but if this isn't the case the map isn't well done anyway

[white prism]

ooooooh okay

sorry help me understand it a bit more,

i assume it makes a map/chain of all the nodes within 10m of each other?

[amber ferry]

it has nothing to do with picking the ai nodes

it's about the maximum distance from a node a spot can be picked

[white prism]

only from the initial ship node?

OH

sorry i got it

[amber ferry]

there's an explanation of the algorithm on the page too

[white prism]

lol sorry ill go there hahaha

i was hoping i nailed it the first time with my guess

ahhhh okay good thats nice

[amber ferry]

I tested 1.3.5 with my group yesterday and things seem to work mostly fine :)

this'll probably be the final update of 1.3 for now unless severe issues pop up

I'll focus on new features

[latent vessel]

awesome

[steady torrent]

heheh hell yeah man!!! great work on the updates, I can't wait to try it <33

[livid terrace]

I think that great feature would be setting which allowed to get dropship not too far from random located ship. I really like this mod but sometimes dropship is landing too far from ship and it's annyoing. If it's possibile to do now then I don't fully understand dropship part of config

[icy thistle]

Agreed, I like the idea of that

[winter trench]

With wider+2story and this mod, the new navmesh gets placed correctly but does not include the extended portions from WiderShip. If I disable this mod's navmesh regen, the ship navmesh does not appear in the correct location but has the WiderShip extended portions in the normal landing spot

First image is what the navmesh looks like when this mod regenerates it. The second floor has a navmesh, just not the extended portions of the first floor. Second image is a dog running through one of the walls on the first floor

[jaunty knot]

@amber ferry

[amber ferry]

I'm aware and this should be harmless; thanks for the report

config sync doesn't work in either of my mods atm and I still need to fix it eventually

[amber ferry]

this I'll look into

[winter trench]

Thanks. If you need me to, I can provide additional info and do further testing

[coarse mango]

I'm having some issues regarding the dropship distance, I had "MaximumIterations = 100" and "Random distance = 3" yet, the dropship landed most of the time far on the bigger maps
I now have the dropship config set to "MaximumIterations = 30" and "Random distance = 1" and it's still happening, I had another dropship spawning far away, anyone can confirm this also happening on version 1.3.5 ?

Trying to lower down further or highering up the MaximumIterations did not change at all, problematic landings are always far away, maybe it's coming from the moon itself then

[coarse mango]

I'm having this issue on modded maps and on vanilla moons aswell, reproduced in Vow, Adamance, Offense and Assurance, Random distance = 1 and MaximumIterations = 250 the dropship can still land at the other sides of the map

[white prism]

Distance shouldnt be related to how far it is if i am reading the implementation on the mod page right

It randomly selects an ai node, makes sure the path back to the original ship position is reachable

and random distance is how far away it is from that ai node

Though it would be cool to include a max distance value from a entrance and ship location to help soften the blow on the larger maps

Voxx's Arcadia Moon ( i havent tested myself), but is a large map with quite a few ai nodes all around so it can be quite a journey to any entrance with this mod

personally i would just add it to the list of moons it wont activate on, though i think vanilla maps are small enough its not a problem imo but to each their own

[coarse mango]

Well it works very well for the Ship category, it seems to me that the Random distance config setting for dropship is just not being registered/working

Cause when I adjust it for the ship, it works the "right way" higher Random distance means the more fucked up and far away from initial ship position and lower Random distance makes just the ship rotate or move from a few meters away

Just doesn't seem to do it that way with dropships to me

[coarse mango]

It doesn't feel like a problem for me neither on some vanilla small maps, it's just that it doesn't work the way it should for me at least

[white prism]

ah sorry i just woke up and my reading comprehension is apparently crap right now, didnt clue in you said dropship lol

[amber ferry]

randomdistance does not limit the distance the ship actually lands from its vanilla position in absolute terms

it’s only the distance from AI nodes and setting this to 1 will drastically lower the number of possible locations or even make the algorithm fail to find a spot at all

the reason you’re noticing a discrepancy between the lander and the dropship is because it’s much easier to squeeze the dropship in a tight spot somewhere even with low settings like that

[coarse mango]

Alright, got it, it's too bad I could not use it to have only slight dropship offsets in my case but I get it, thanks for the explanation

The mod is absolutely rocking and I love it still

[latent vessel]

Yeah so is there a way to limit distance??

[coarse mango]

From what I understand from replies, there isn't, that's what I was expecting too sadly (I might be mistaken though)

[amber ferry]

there was in previous versions but with an inferior algorithm

I could technically add a setting to limit max distance to the vanilla spot but it may do more harm than good

future versions will have adjustable weighting for average distance from the entrance which is somewhat akin to that setting

but that option only really makes sense once I’ve redone the algorithm in the first place

[jaunty knot]

Is there any known moons that this mod does not work on?

[winter trench]

It doesn't do well on moons with a lot of trees. They tend to clip through the ship and can block you inside if you're unlucky

[latent vessel]

Yeah like Vow is really annoying

[hasty current]

Maybe it would be a smart idea if the ship could destoy trees it hits whilst landing, the same way the cruiser does

in fact the cruiser still does this anyways when attached to the ship-

[leaden dock]

Would be a pretty easy fix to add as well that’s a good idea

[leaden dock]

Synthesis bugs I think

Derelict isn’t ideal cause of its moon gimmick and very weird geometry

Fortress isn’t ideal either, sometimes lands you right into turret view

Kast is near unplayable but if you’re very VERY lucky sometimes you’re fine

Maritopia is about the same as kast

Most space station moons aren’t ideal either and you end up getting stuck

[leaden dock]

Solarius too

That’s all the moons off the top of my head iv had issues with

But I kinda just blacklist them from this mods config

Cause those moons don’t make sense with random landing anyways

Considering they have like, ship docks and stuff

In a similar vain to how having random land locations at the company wouldn’t make much sense either

Hence why it’s disabled there by default

[leaden dock]

I think it does this because of it has a different landing animation to most moons that curves around

Doesn’t bother me disabling it there, since it has a lot of trees and inaccessible areas I feel even if it did work you would possibly get soft locked anyways

[steady torrent]

how so?

[steady torrent]

ah I didn't read, yeah it has a custom landing animation

[amber ferry]

I’ll still look into objects that block ship access yeah

[amber ferry]

a custom animation shouldn’t technically cause any problems though since all I do is change the base position

I mean yeah okay it’ll probably fly through objects and stuff

[leaden dock]

Well I mean, from my testing, trying to land on synthesis with this mod in my modpack softlocks the game

I just assumed it was something to do with how the landing animation is handled

But I haven’t actually confirmed that

I just disabled it and called it a day

It might be something else synthesis has that conflicts with this mod

[icy thistle]

I think the rewrite for this mod could have a cool compatibility with Lethal Elements, specifically increasing the chance of random ship/dropship locations occurring in Solar Flare weathers
#1268919667347427390 message

[trail pilot]

Good idea

[true fulcrum]

Is this mod alive again?

[amber ferry]

moderately

[amber ferry]

weather registry compat is on the list already

there’ll be per-weather multipliers

[amber ferry]

so I had this idea for an april's fools mod that adds a bunch of really stupid mechanics

so far the ideas I have are

• opening the doors at any point while in orbit immediately ejects everyone and ends the run
• make the vent inside the landing ship available for enemy spawns

anyone have any other ideas?

[livid terrace]

Maybe every Flashlight use have a chance to break it

[leaden dock]

i have been waiting

for someone to do that second one

ever since modding became a thing

if you do this you better add it as a config post april fools that can be enabled

i beg

[blazing rock]

The vent idea is fantastic!

[jaunty knot]

I don’t know if you could do this but you should add a custom enemy that only spawns in the vents and you can see its eyes or something.

Ship vent

[blazing rock]

That's a bit similar to Diversity's watcher

[trail pilot]

Ship lands inside the facility and flies to its default spot at 5pm

[winter trench]

Chance to switch the indoor and outdoor enemy pool

[winter trench]

Quicksand during rainy weather absorbs you almost instantly
Random lightning strikes happen 3x more frequently
Eclipses spawn all enemies instantly
Spore lizards eat the player's head (if they bite you) like the kidnapper fox
Jetpacks propel you forward instead of up
Extension ladders fall TOWARD you instead of away

[amber ferry]

some of these are hilarious

and so I’m probably not going to add a new enemy or land the ship in the facility (even though that’d be pretty funny) because it’ll be a small standalone mod

[amber ferry]

it’ll absolutely have a config where you can switch features individually

[steady torrent]

make forest giants the size of the player

Old birds the size of toy robots
TZP gives you super speed and instantly makes you high as shit
Swap flashbang and stun grenade explosion times (flashbangs take around 3 seconds and stun grenades are instant)

also, hear me out.... revert v49 thumper behavior

[steady torrent]

ACTUALLY WAIT

make toy robots have a chance to turn into old birds if dropped

[amber ferry]

I like the skooma TZP

[true fulcrum]

Imagine being on terminal duty and a bracken climbs out and kills you

[leaden dock]

Shrink spiders

Make them like

Real spider size

[blazing rock]

Exactly. Peak gameplay

[livid terrace]

Is it possibile in Problematic Pilotry to set dropship always be close to the ship? I don't see this option anywhere

[amber ferry]

nope

will be a partial feature in the rework

as a weighted factor

[amber ferry]

so there seems to be a problem with regenerating the navmesh on some planets (try infernis) in how long it takes

it's fine on vanilla planets and most custom planets but especially some of wesley's moons seem to have this problem that regenerating the navmesh at the beginning even on powerful computers takes over a minute

@uncut blaze does your mod have the same problem on infernis?

[uncut blaze]

i dont think so?

[amber ferry]

I don't think unity has any way to rebuild the navmesh only partially and I don't think there's a way to stop the navmesh rebuild once it's started

[uncut blaze]

not sure

[amber ferry]

I mean the game just freezes entirely

either I'm doing something wrong (but I'm just calling unity's navmesh rebuild function on the outside level navmesh iirc) or this will be a difficult to solve problem

might have to add a navmesh rebuild blacklist or maybe rebuild it only on the host if that doesn't cause problems (atm it happens on all clients)

doubt I'll get moon authors to make their level geometry less excessive

[uncut blaze]

cant check because im not at home right now

[amber ferry]

I'm not sure which mod it is but I think I may have accidentally found an incompatibility with your mod too

there's... two ship meshes inside of each other

wider ship freezes the game for ~20 seconds for me on infernis too while rebuilding the navmesh but this is less than my mod

possibly because you don't rebuild client navmeshes as far as I can tell

[uncut blaze]

read wider ship changelog

[amber ferry]

ah it's ship windows?

[uncut blaze]

yeah, compat only for beta or for 2.x.x

[uncut blaze]

it is only needed so that the host does not have to wait for clients

only the host cares about the navmesh

[amber ferry]

I'll disable client navmesh in my mod as well then

now I can't really reproduce the game freeze on navmesh rebuild, but also

might be other stuff in my modpack causing this

it isn't problematicpilotry as I've disabled that

[uncut blaze]

maybe you still have an old blacklist config for wider ship

[amber ferry]

okay so in my 136 mod pack,

1. enabling navmesh rebuilding causes about ~30 seconds of game freeze on my computer; will be more on slower machines
2. enabling client navmesh rebuild removes the freeze, but causes navmesh rebuilding to fail entirely

infernis is whitelisted

it may be an interaction with some other mod but this appears to be at least qualitatively the same problem that my mod causes

it does not cause major issues on most vanilla and custom planets

[uncut blaze]

I may be stupid

should be && not ||

[amber ferry]

classic

so the reason it takes so long for me I believe is because I

1. rebuild the navmesh on the host
2. rebuild the navmesh on all clients (including the host, again)

but our mods appear to both cause this problem fundamentally

I am very unsure how to address it

I'll test it in an otherwise empty modpack later

[uncut blaze]

it mostly depends on the moon

check bozoros for example

[amber ferry]

yeah as I said most planets work absolutely fine

[uncut blaze]

if it will be fast then something on infernis is a problem

[amber ferry]

feel like this may be on wesley and others for complex moon geometry

still worth putting a warning about on my mod page ig

maybe auto blacklist if takes over 10s or so

which'll mean no regenerated navmesh on those planets unfortunately

[uncut blaze]

i wouldn't worry about it too much

about loading time*

[amber ferry]

it literally added an extra one and a half minutes to infernis yesterday

our host has a relatively fast computer too

[uncut blaze]

try to remove rebuilding for clients first then

[amber ferry]

I'll disable it but the client navmesh rebuild further caused some players to load in much later and added a delay to voice chat for them after

so they'd hear and speak with half a minute of delay

super weird stuff

[blazing rock]

In my experience, they'll "catch up" regarding voice delays

[pale frost]

would it be possible for the ship landing to destroy incoming trees the same way the cruiser does?

[amber ferry]

yes

[trail pilot]

good idea

[uncut blaze]

30

[amber ferry]

30

oops

I presume this happened after you turned on faster dropship landing

ohh wait it might always play actually

[steady torrent]

p sure it always plays yeah

I don't usually have info logs on, but I wanted it on to turn off certain cosmetics

it's no biggie tho, if I turn off info logs on the bepinex config it's all gucci

[amber ferry]

is anyone by any chance experiencing facility desyncs with my mod?

having problems with this in my pack and at a loss what causes this

[steady torrent]

hmm I've been playing solo so I can't say for sure

[amber ferry]

@uncut blaze @karmic gazelle @steady torrent or anyone else wanting to maybe cooperate on this april’s fools mod?

got some exams coming up but wanted to start work sometime this week

[karmic gazelle]

oh sure that would be pretty cool

[steady torrent]

Sure! In what way would you like me to help out?

I'm not code savvy at all if that's what you're thinking hhahah

[amber ferry]

oh that’s fine I just tagged whomever I had assumed as any kind of modder

what do you do?

I can do most coding but I’m open to the idea of having multiple programmers as well. We’d probably need people to come up with some ideas and conceptually design them and I think the most difficult part will be figuring out how to do so many different small things

I should be able to enable the ship’s vent for monster spawning somehow probably but someone suggested making spiders really small and I honestly don’t have any experience with stuff like that

idk if stuff like that would involve swapping their prefab or catching their spawn events and rescaling or what

[steady torrent]

mostly just assets, I can't model but I can texture and do sound effects, I'm usually the one in charge of concepting, balancing and fine tuning

[amber ferry]

okay you’re promoted to project manager

[steady torrent]

hmm you could maybe ask in #1241004917746044988 and maybe reference their code?

[steady torrent]

LMAO alright

[amber ferry]

honestly first step is just getting some people together

that’s half the work in my experience

[steady torrent]

I'll write up a doc in my free time with the features then, that should help communicate them better to the programmers

[amber ferry]

can make a small project doc and yeah

refer to the suggestions after my initial message

[steady torrent]

[steady torrent]

I assume the ship vent would only spawn inaide enemies? or do you want a forest keeper to spawn from it too LOL

[amber ferry]

I mean if we make them player-sized as per your suggestion…

but yeah inside enemies like normal vents

my idea would just be to try and add it to the vent list and call it a day

[uncut blaze]

sorry, i pass, i'm pretty busy lately

[karmic gazelle]

in regards to ideas, our group had a hilarious moment where we got outside the ship whilst in orbit and hit the magnet lock which caused the cruiser to just fall off into the void, it was great
might be able to use that, maybe something like switching the functions around of the light switch and the magnet?

[amber ferry]

hahaha

I guess it could be done

how did you get outside without being teleported?

[steady torrent]

oh my god that would be great

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[steady torrent]

there's mods that let you open the door in orbit and go outside

Doorbelle is one of them, iirc?

in this case they're using celestial tint, which does all of that + adds different visuals for the moon you're orbiting while in space

[amber ferry]

must be a config setting? because we use celestial tint and very much cannot open the door in orbit

[karmic gazelle]

ah maybe it is, we just clipped ourselves outside using the furniture and we wouldn't be teleported back in as long as we didn't stray too far

[amber ferry]

I see

[steady torrent]

oh fr? huh

i haven't used tint in a long time I might just be flat out wrong LOL

[amber ferry]

@steady torrent @karmic gazelle mind if I add you to a group chat for the project? better than spamming this

[karmic gazelle]

sure go ahead

[steady torrent]

hell yeah sure!

[karmic stump]

Hey, I'd like to report some issues on custom moons with this mod. Namely on Atlas Abyss, the outdoor AI pathfinding becomes problematic.

[white prism]

what other ones? Im not the dev but im curious lol

[amber ferry]

do you mean with enemy pathing onto the ship?

or the ship blocking enemy paths?

or does it break the pathfinding entirely?

[karmic stump]

It breaks pathfinding in major ways: #1193657447290769489 message

I have not tested with only Atlas Abyss and ProblematicPilotry, but most of my AI-related mods are stuff like StarlancerAIFix

[amber ferry]

so turning off navmesh regeneration in the config will likely fix it

but it also means enemies won't be able to path onto the ship

what I do is regenerate the navmesh after landing

usually that works fine but it may be that simply regenerating the navmesh on atlas abyss breaks it due to how the author set up the moon

best I can probably do is add a navmesh blacklist, but this is probably specific to that moon's setup

[karmic stump]

I see. So this would be better fixed on their end?

[amber ferry]

I think so since it's a problem specific to that moon

[karmic stump]

I've also encounter similar issues with Affliction, would that be the same case?

other moons seem to be fine

[amber ferry]

what I'd like to know is how atlas abyss or that planet do navmesh

I just call a unity method that recalculates the navmesh surface

a specific navmesh surface, that is, which is shared by all vanilla and most modded moons

I would assume that they somehow have theirs set up in a custom way but I don't know

[karmic stump]

Well masked enemies are already busted when pathfinding to ship

They work fine until they actually get to ship, where they have to loop around once or twice before entering

[amber ferry]

this is all I do

if this breaks the navmesh on that moon, then doing the same in unity should break it, too

[amber ferry]

yeah that may have more to do with the ramps I added to replace offmesh links

though they should normally be able to just walk up around where the ladder is

[karmic stump]

no i mean without your mod entirely, atlas abyss is like that

[amber ferry]

I see

next update will have more customisation for stuff like this but it's still a ways off

since I'm shipping the new position algorithm with it

[steel kraken]

Does this mod work with v69?

[steady torrent]

yerp

[steel kraken]

And it isn't super buggy and stuff?

[steady torrent]

nope

[steel kraken]

...

why is one of the dependencies for this mod

just a troll

i wish that i didnt have to spend an hour finding out which mod was causing tiny old birds

[steady torrent]

wdym?

[steel kraken]

PhysicsAPI v1.0.0

[steady torrent]

that's not a dependency of this mod

[steel kraken]

ok well whatever word means it requires the mod to work

[steady torrent]

false information

[steel kraken]

really?

[steady torrent]

you're probably on some shady side that just looks like thunderstore idk

[amber ferry]

I have never heard of this mod and I am at a complete loss as to why it links back to this discord channel

[faint reef]

yeah idk what the deal with that mod is, its listed as a dependency for wesleys moons and a bunch of other mods for some reason

[steel kraken]

It's for April fools

[steady torrent]

no?

[steel kraken]

Yes

[uncut blaze]

no one believe you on april 1

[steel kraken]

Bet

It's not opposite day

[steady torrent]

no it isn't

[jaunty knot]

@amber ferry Can you remove physics api from scaledfalldamage and problematic pilotry?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PhysicsTeam/PhysicsAPI/

[amber ferry]

yes, once I reupload. it's non-functional now, in any case

[steady torrent]

shoulda said no

[karmic gazelle]

should add physicsapi to every mod

[flat coral]

does anyone have a list of what Physics API does for each of the configs

april fools is just round the corner and i don't know what any of the stuff does

[steady torrent]

i love you pedro

[steady torrent]

i actually forgot what any of these mean LMAO

[flat coral]

dude i see "green" and i either know everything or i know nothing

[steady torrent]

you know everything

[flat coral]

u

i

what

hih

when does this happen

[steady torrent]

gre en mode

[flat coral]

when does GREEN get applied

[steady torrent]

🟩

[flat coral]

i have green on wheres the green

[steady torrent]

green mode

[flat coral]

the green's on but the green's off

no green

[steady torrent]

anyway since PhysicsAPI was deprecaded by TS due to (pretty much) an agreement to not allow purposefully misleading content on the platform past the funny time

we'll be reuploading it with a cleaner readme under an actually known team so that people don't think it's malware or smth LMAO

[flat coral]

ah okay cool

wait

it's not malware

shit

[steady torrent]

oh

wait

pedro...

[flat coral]

monty...

[steady torrent]

do you have this config on

[flat coral]

of corse

[steady torrent]

oh then just keep plauing and you'll encounter th Green

[flat coral]

april fool's is just around the corner

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[steady torrent]

you don't need to, don't worry : )

[flat coral]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/k1rniFNxMYZpS24Xn?invite=cr-MSxINzEsMjE3NTIwOTU1

i need it..

[proud zodiac]

YOOOO

the ladder just in place

W mod did not think the system was that advanced

[amber ferry]

lmao more coincidence than anything

[amber ferry]

the configs turn on/off the patches so in-game config editing unfortunately doesn't have an effect

comicalcompany reupload later today or tomorrow though with proper decriptions

sort of

(physicsapi)

[flat coral]

oh awesome dude

[lean relic]

how do i prevent something like this from happening again

like what config settings do i need to change

[unborn mango]

i don't think you can

[proud zodiac]

Report the bug (What you just did)

[lean relic]

@amber ferry plz fix asap! My ship keeps colloding with rocks and trees!

[amber ferry]

looks like a procedural rock; do you have a mod that increases their number?

the mod’s more or less expected to do this because decorations spawn with a delay which means they’re not taken into account by the algorithm at all. it should only happen once every maybe 30 games; if it happens more often another mod is probably interfering

running the algorithm later brings its own set of problems so the best way to address this is probably to destroy objects that collide with the ship, which is on the suggested feature list already

[proud zodiac]

You could also disable map collisions for the players on the ship while its landing or leaving, it does not fix the visual aspect but in game-breaking situations it could help (like the video above)

[lean relic]

It could be rebalanced moons

[proud zodiac]

this happens with
TooManySuits when you change row, i dont know if you have to fix it or the creator of TooManySuits has to

[proud zodiac]

(Other bug)
cant create lobby

how to reproduce: create a lobby, go to any moon and quit to the menu while in the moon, then create a lobby and nothing happens

temporary fix: restart the game or be careful not to quit while on a moon

error from logs:

oh wait, i tested it with all my modpack mods disabled and now it works... time to see wich mod bugs out with Problematic Pilotry
EDIT: I tested all the moon mods I have and it's not that

[proud zodiac]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TisRyno/LethalCompanyProgressionPatchFix/

that is the mod that makes the issue

[steady torrent]

oh dang

there's an alternative for it here if you're interested #1358654652052279346

@proud zodiac

[proud zodiac]

The only thing I don't like about that mod is that is like so compacted and maybe has too much, if Windblown Leaves cant easily fix it I will try the other

[steady torrent]

I don't think LCPpatchfix is supported anymore, I'd assume the proboem is more on its side than problematic pilotry

[proud zodiac]

I will have double check if it really is that mod because the error message has no sense to be related to the LCPpatchfix mod although I tested it

[steady torrent]

yeah sometimes its just smth breaking something else

[proud zodiac]

Is this only happening to me? ProblematicPilotry is the only mod i have enabled

[steady torrent]

thats strange, can't tell if thats a recent happening cuz I don't tend to switch around my furniture when landed

[flat coral]

I’m washed..

[uncut blaze]

deprecated
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PhysicsTeam/PhysicsAPI/

[flat coral]

Yeah ik i just went to check if it got updated from here

[amber ferry]

sorry haven’t been active/finding tine for lethal

will get around to it

[flat coral]

dw dude you’re good

don’t rush or pressure yourself to do it

[white prism]

adding onto this one

any chance this could be looked into?

ship is technically accessible but only with running start and cant do 2 handed items

[steady torrent]

seems like you haven't tried hard enough

thinkpanzee

||/j||

[lean relic]

im having the same issue

any chance this could be fixed on ur end? @amber ferry

[amber ferry]

uhh looks like the mod that changes it doesn’t parent it to the ship or whatever

I could probably apply a soft fix where I manually rotate it if I knew the name of that object

[uncut blaze]

its never parented to the ship

costumes i mean

actually nvm i forgor probably

[proud zodiac]

I think it's on their end, the orientation is always fixed on that mod, even when problematic pilotry is disabled, you can see while landing and constantly changing page the costumes move a bit place with the vanilla ship landing

[lean relic]

yeah but it shouldnt be broken when landed

[lean relic]

oh thatd be great

[bitter swan]

Oh, same happens with the self sorting storage!

Rotation is goofed

[lean relic]

@amber ferry a fix is coming, right?

[amber ferry]

eventually

[past swift]

what would cause this

with ScaledFallDamage

[past swift]

does scaledfalldamage work with https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/thej01/DynamicFallDamage/ ?

[past swift]

i think the furniture objects get put in the normal position instead of wherever the ship landed

[past swift]

this might be caused by problematic pilotry as well

[steady torrent]

isn't this because of sciencebird tweaks making it so the clothes rack doesn't move during landing

like it's still a prob pilotry issue i guess but this doesn't happen in base probpilo i don't think

[past swift]

No

I tested without any of sciencebirds changes and it still occurred

As far as the cabinet being moved to the ship's original spot, I think that's from furniture lock not accounting for this mod

(Sorry for late reply, just got off a 5 hour ff14 session)

[steady torrent]

weird

[icy thistle]

demoman

[proud zodiac]

it is

also this happens

#1250206047264702555 message

problematic pilotry changes the ships orientation and things glitch

this mod is so cool but i had to remove it from my modpack

[jaunty knot]

Just disable the random landing ship position and keep the dropship

[proud zodiac]

yeah... i have the mod for the random landing, not the dropship

[steady torrent]

every day I await windblown's mighty return

[real sleet]

Regarding the conflict with my mod, I have looked at the provided error logs, and it seems the error is due to this portion of code in Problematic Piltory

string[] obj = new string[5]
{
    "Moving ",
    ((Object)gameObject).name, // <-- here
    " to ",
    null,
    null
};

My best educated guess is that where the lists of game objects is compiled, it is not filtering to the correct types in some manner or another, which is leading to one of the game objects created for the GUI of my mod being added into the list of 'objects to move'

I have done a quick once-over on the game objects I instantiate, and they all appear to be named, I'd have to load up the game with the unity tooling to view rendered game objects to see if it is something specific to my mod.

[real sleet]

Actually, just seen the breakdown of steps
create lobby -> go to moon -> quit whilst on moon -> start new lobby -> error

This must be something odd with how LethalNetworkAPI is not cleaning up properly in some way.
The error logs clearly show that the bug exists when running MoveGameObject from within the DropshipLocationPatch.UpdateTransform

And it passes capsule as the GameObject to move, in this case the capsule has a reference to the previous GameObject, and not the new one (as the new one doesn't exist yet)

For the UpdateTransform to run, the Network event must have been triggered, which shouldn't have been possible as the round hadn't started yet.

[coral cargo]

heyyy, anything that could be done to prevent items dropping into walls if the dropship lanks awkwardly enough

just lost a flashlight like that, but it couldve been like a jetpack or a 500$ wheelbarrow lol

oh yeah, and this

[trail pilot]

I hope Problematic Pilotry returns one day, such a fantastic mod

[proud zodiac]

Yeah, and because the hard things are already coded

[jaunty knot]

@amber ferry