dont ask me about this one
#Upturned Variety
green yoke
all jokes aside almost everything im "unsure about the legitimacy of" winds up in the Extra tab of that config
broken sky
I was always meaning to ask about this
green yoke
although some stuff did filter into the other categories because it was kind of a bigger deal
like im absolutely certain zeekerss would patch the dog jump cheese if he was informed about it
given that he already patched the other silent sprint trick that used to work on dogs
and yet there would be riots in the streets if i forced that change on everybody
so it's in the Gameplay config
green yoke
I was always meaning to ask about this
i think "golden cup" just sounds lame compared to "golden goblet"
and as soon as i saw he literally used the language "golden goblet" to describe a dinner scene in WttDP
i thought "this is justification enough"
sacred sandal
lmao
green yoke
it's also somewhat inspired by sciencebird's tweak to rename "big bolt" to "big screw"
i would never claim it's a bug and yet i do think it's a "tweak" that's an "improvement"
so there it is. in Extra
sacred sandal
Big Bolt might be incorrect but it sounds better than screw while this is the opposite
green yoke
oh yeah also i got a fire react from zeekerss when i pitched this as a joke suggestion in the patreon chat
so that doubly re-inforced "i should definitely put that in the next update"
Lol
inner valve
real
broken sky
it's also somewhat inspired by sciencebird's tweak to rename "big bolt" to "big ...
this one is blatant to me since it's literally a screw and not a bolt
green yoke
yes
like i said before
i consider that to also be a "tweak" that's an "improvement" although i'd hesitate to call it a "bug"
broken sky
i just kinda took that config verbatim and always enabled it lmao
green yoke
personally it irks me and im more than happy to use a clientside change to make something minor "objectively more correct"
but you would be surprised about the sorts of things people get up in arms about
so it's "just subjective enough" that you can't get away with not adding a config for it
a single word change
thus is the way things are
broken sky
well people can argue all they want about the big bolt/screw but the model is objectively a screw
sacred sandal
thats fair, it being called a big bolt is just too iconic for me
broken sky
i just took some screws off my car earlier funnily enough
green yoke
thats fair, it being called a big bolt is just too iconic for me
in this situation i just dont agree but im sure i've used the exact same logic to justify far stupider things
so i find this to be an acceptable answer
regardless
sacred sandal
I mean its a minor thing if Zeekerss corrected it tomorrow I'd be a little sad but I'd move on
sacred sandal
in this situation i just dont agree but im sure i've used the exact same logic t...
actually what other things?
I can't really think of any unless its them saying something like "The dog cheese is too iconic"
green yoke
here's one from the fuckin haunted closet
the ghost of all my socks lost in the wash
they're corrupting the shirts
inner valve
ghost sock?!
green yoke
actually what other things?
well this isnt exactly a bug but like
jetpacks are objectively a balance issue
but i think the jetpack is also the single most fun thing in the entire game and i was very unhappy about the nerfs in v50 beta
sacred sandal
here's one from the fuckin haunted closet
the shirts being multiple 2d images placed on eachother is really funny
green yoke
i framed that criticism a lot more respectfully and constructively than many others at the time, but i won't pretend i was ever "happy" with the nerfs
sacred sandal
I never really used the jetpack that well, I always just crashed
green yoke
and that's definitely an instance of "while i think this objectively presents an issue and i understand zeekerss' desire to fix it, it's so fun and iconic that something major is lost in fixing it"
im honestly not 100% satisfied with the fix we got even
but after the debacle i just dont think it's very productive to rehash the issue
and i guess zeekerss has probably found peace with implementing the cruiser anyway
and ironically enough, the cruiser, after a couple updates, has become even more of a balance issue than the jetpacks ever were
so it really just feels like lethal company has become something now that it wasn't before
and there's no point lamenting forward progress, i suppose
im just happy jetpacks are still fun
the only other time something like this happened
it resulted in one of my favorite entities from the entire game getting dragged into the backyard and shot
so i will take what i can get away with
locally sourced produce
inner valve
wow!
sacred sandal
green yoke
whoever used to own these buildings has terrible preservation instinct
they live in a literal arctic hellscape and yet they choose to ruin their indoor garden with automobile emissions
sacred sandal
I got it when v70 first came out
green yoke
actual cinema
anyways i have super derailed this thread
sorry for everybody who wanted a safe place to discuss the upturned
sacred sandal
actually it came out around my birthday so finding the birthday room was fitting
green yoke
sorry for everybody who wanted a safe place to discuss the upturned
but you are doomed to a fate of hiding underground and foraging for scraps while the lethal company players feast like monarchs and consume all in their wake
tl;dr: if you like the upturned you're not welcome in this channel. never forget it
green yoke
speaking of happy birthday
i should totally update the mod icon to have the gift box variants in the birthday room
i thought the manor matched the aesthetic of the first couple item variants and the kitchen was the most iconic manor room at the time
i just never thought about it after v70 until recently
broken sky
they live in a literal arctic hellscape and yet they choose to ruin their indoor...
you talking about the mansion car?
it doesnt even have an engine lool
it's most certainly just meant to be decoration to make it feel like a normal garage
green yoke
i guess that's also true
broken sky
the illusion of normal life
green yoke
i thought maybe the idea is that previous crews had just scavenged it already for scrap
green yoke
but you are doomed to a fate of hiding underground and foraging for scraps while...
and it was evidence that lethal company players consume all in their wake
but i guess in fairness it's a pretty shitty place to be driving anyway
and i do kind of like the interpretation it's another illusion like the window rooms have always been
sacred sandal
I'm pretty sure the bedrooms have fake outside noises
might've been the fan but it sounded like cars driving by
broken sky
it's the fan
broken sky
it doesnt even have an engine lool
it's missing a bunch of other shit a normal car would have but that's another side tangent
green yoke
i have literally no idea
violet gale
Argh
inner valve
Does this mod still work?
idk if you still wanted an answer to this, but i played a session the other day with it on and nothing broke afaik and i got a few cool upturned thingys
inner valve
lol fair
hybrid canopy
hi the glass cups spawn kinda low into the ground (right 2 are natural spawns, the left one is after i grabbed & dropped it
(awesome update btw)
inner valve
is the rightmost golden one also a natural spawn
inner valve
🔍
hybrid canopy
awkwrrrrd 👉👈
inner valve
its ok its not super easy to notice lol
hybrid canopy
anyways heres renders of the 2 new variants 😃
random spoke
Waw i didnt know about these variants!!!! Really cool heh
inner valve
they just got added:)
random spoke
Waaaaa
Buttery so cool muehehehhe i love ittt
Im guessing they are from upturned right?
inner valve
yah
random spoke
Haii cookieee
random spoke
mighty iron
anyways heres renders of the 2 new variants 😃
afaik those can't be seen with runtime icons, right? :,]
hybrid canopy
not unless you manually refresh the icon in lethalconfig
but like with any variant, that icon will apply to all versions of the item
violet gale
Is this normal..?
green yoke
yes transparency doesnt work right in the water
magic ivy
hey buttery!!!
is 2.3.0. of upturned variety v81 only?
I saw no mention of v80 in the changelog
green yoke
is 2.3.0. of upturned variety v81 only?
i don't test my mods on anything other than the most recent version
in the case of upturned variety, i feel like chances are "pretty good" 2.3.0 will still work in v73
but i can not give an official guarantee
dreamy lava
There's a mod that tries to save scrap variants. Anyone knows the name?
hybrid canopy
SkinnedRendererPatch?
i believe it doesnt work with upturned variants but it sort of does with the vanilla ones
dreamy lava
nope
craggy wraith
Heard dawnlib save system works for that
Only for dawnlib skins but I should consider it
green yoke
Only for dawnlib skins but I should consider it
if you wind up making it work for vanilla objects i lowkey would consider porting to dawnlib (or making a dawnlib version? or changing implementation based on if dawnlib is enabled? idk, something)
just for variants to save between games
but it would probably fix some of my other complaints with the current implementation
like how candy jars still show as pickle jars when collected
etc
craggy wraith
Oh I already fixed all that
green yoke
no yeah i know
i just mean
well
i do think using the dawnlib skin system would fix a lot of issues and most people are probably using dawnlib at this point
and especially if it saved vanilla variants i would probably want the upturned variants to save too (i havent bothered only because vanilla doesnt bother, and fixing that in a clientside mod really sucks)
craggy wraith
I do see what you mean, and I do plan to have vanilla variants save cuz all it would be is just saving the index in a list or smthn I'd have to check
green yoke
i would want upturned variety to always be 100% clientside
im under the impression dawnlib has a clientside mode with a more limited feature set? not sure if it supports item skins
but if it doesnt work clientside id probably just need to have some sort of compat toggle where my mod "works as it always has" when dawnlib isn't installed and uses all your API stuff when it is
craggy wraith
Yeah it'd support item skins still
It's just, it'd only save for you if you're the host since that's who has the save file, is it normal to not be host and play on a save file multiple times without the same mods?
I misspelled that in a few places badly lol
green yoke
like, if you implemented item saving
only the host would see them? and non-host clients would see the default varaint?
or do you just mean in the "purely clientside" implementation
craggy wraith
only the host would see them? and non-host clients would see the default varaint...
the host would see and try to sync them to the client
the client wouldnt have their own save file for it basically
im not sure if the client having their own savefile for it was an expectation, im not sure if this is a thing people do
green yoke
i guess im just not sure what you mean by
is it normal to not be host and play on a save file multiple times without the same mods
...
if the client having their own savefile for it was an expectation
craggy wraith
uhh basically im not 100% sure on whatyou mean when you say clientsided
the data is saved on the hosts end incase of lobby reloads, which they can sync to clients if they share the mod
green yoke
i would like upturned variety to remain fully functional clientside
with its current behavior
im okay with requiring dawnlib for its new feature set
like i dont expect item saving to work in a "purely clientside" mod and im not saying dawnlib should do that
craggy wraith
its just, if a host doesnt have the mod, and a client does it, is it supposed to save the variant for the client?
green yoke
but dawnlib compat either needs to be part of a separate release or needs to be entirely soft compat
so people can use upturned variety without dawnlib for "all the current behavior that is already there" to be the same
im talking more about stuff on my end
craggy wraith
ic okie