Upturned Variety

[green yoke]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ButteryStancakes/UpturnedVariety/

I've recently completed The Upturned and I noticed a lot of assets that wound up being reused in Lethal Company.

Two of those things include the boombox (same model, but with a unique music track) as well as the gift boxes (with an added secondary color palette not mirrored in Lethal Company; purple & blue, rather than blue & red)

This mod adds the boombox track to the rotation list with the other songs, and replaces the colors of ~50% of freshly spawned gift boxes with the alternate variant.

This mod is client-side, although the boombox's track selection will desync unless everyone in the lobby is using it together.

[green yoke]

an additional screenshot of the two gift boxes (the icon doesn't do a great job showcasing the purple)

[violet nacelle]

I wanna play upturned so badly 😭

will definitely be trying this mod!

[meager geyser]

@green yoke
Do you have a thread for Buttery Fixes?

[craggy wraith]

It is a bit odd that zeekers didn't reuse the variations for the gift box

[meager geyser]

(Client-side) Stamina no longer drains if you try to sprint while climbing a ladder
I would love this to be Configurable as https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/e3s1/BetterLadders/ Uses it as a feature.

[craggy wraith]

Since its just a simple material addition

[craggy wraith]

Pretty sure she does

[meager geyser]

let mee check again. 😛

yep I am silly

[craggy wraith]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1245891961966170204

[meager geyser]

tired silly source

ty

[gloomy igloo]

YES

WOOOOOO

[native bone]

Does the boombox song get added to Disc Jockey's list?

[bold vector]

how would that even work? i remember starlancer having an issue with disc jockey that no one noticed for like months

i dont remember seeing starlancer tracks there either

[green yoke]

im not familiar with disc jockey so idk

i did just think of a better way to load the track into the boombox

right now it gets added to individual boomboxes right as they spawn

but i could just assign the song to the "base boombox" that gets spawned when you order one

that might provide better compatibility with other mods (? question mark)

i will push v1.0.1 soonish

[tranquil sail]

if I were to use this mod and starlancers music would it mess something up or would I actually work?

[green yoke]

i havent checked but it would probably work fine

just make sure everyone has the same boombox mods installed in the same order

[tranquil sail]

ye it works

yippe

[hushed compass]

@green yoke Just wanted to let you know apparently the Upturned gift box colors don't sync with clients

[green yoke]

oh sorry i forgot to post here

that's a little weird

it uses seeded random and it should be setting the map seed before the scrap spawns

[hushed compass]

I just wonder if it broke then at some point cus it was @sick aspen that told me it never syncs

[green yoke]

i just realized right now that i might have set this up in a way where only the host can get randomized gift boxes

due to a certain variable desyncing between host/clients

I will put out a patch to address this but it won't be for a little bit cuz my friends are about to play

[hushed compass]

[green yoke]

hope you all enjoy the new treats in v1.2!

(also i've fixed RuntimeIcons compatibility so you won't have icons being replaced by alts anymore)

also if you hate them i finally added a config so you can turn things off

[violet gale]

:D

[spare hill]

Screw it

[sacred sandal]

Oooo

very nice

[amber hawk]

Add the plastic fish

All the other fish species from the aquarium

Would be epic

[green yoke]

will look into it for next update

[sacred sandal]

that would be cool

[green yoke]

do you have a thunderstore page? or some similar page you'd like me to promote (youtube, bluesky, etc.)

i didn't even realize upturned had variants for the plastic fish but now that you've informed me i gotta add them

i'd like to credit you for pointing those out

[sacred sandal]

I presume he would want his discord as before when I tried to credit him for something this happened

[green yoke]

well that is unfortunate

[green yoke]

well v1.2 lasted basically no time at all!
i've released v1.3 which includes an alternate control pad and multiple alternate plastic fish

[hushed compass]

@lost slate

[lost slate]

[violet gale]

:D

[sacred sandal]

I think you forgot to update the config

also I think the ||banana fish|| should be separated from the rest like the perfume models are currently

[amber hawk]

YAHHHHHHH

[sacred sandal]

#1246019677315137577 message was I right?

[amber hawk]

Ye

[green yoke]

the config is updated

[sacred sandal]

cool

[green yoke]

all of the fish are bundled together

i mean, i guess i could change it, but i think it's fine...

anyways im like 99% sure the right file was uploaded so if you arent seeing config entries maybe double check your mod manager or redownload

[sacred sandal]

oh

strange

[green yoke]

yeah i just grabbed 1.3 off of thunderstore

maybe just a fluke

[sacred sandal]

yeah I think it just didn't update immediately on launch

[hot karma]

i love the alternate scrap models. is it just the two fish alts?

[green yoke]

alternate plastic fish and alternate perfumes rn

all Locally Sourced from the upturned

there are a couple alternate meshes for the control pad in the upturned but they will be a lot more difficult to bring over

lethal's control pad is UV mapped and the upturned control pad has like 10 separate submeshes with different materials

also some of them are baked into the arcade machines themselves i believe

so i might just rain check those, but i could also release an update later down the line to complete the set

there is very possibly stuff i have missed in the upturned, and i've just been adding stuff as i find it

i never thought to check the aquarium fish models until vector mentioned it, but there they were. plastic fish alts

lol

[hot karma]

awesome, this is a perfect lil mod for visual variety and its a good start. is the banana fish from this too?

[sacred sandal]

yes

[hot karma]

ok good

legit fave scrap item

its adorable

found it on zeranos and had to make sure lol

[green yoke]

lol yeah

i had trouble calibrating the random chance for it so if it's too frequent i can tone it down a tad

but the RNG was being weird for me so i just guessed what would be good

[hot karma]

i was afraid it wasnt working cause i didnt find any alternate ones, only normal fish, but then found a banana one lol

[green yoke]

i suppose let me know how that feels over the course of some playtime

[hot karma]

i have noticed the gift box alts work on my own moon's unique gift box variants (warm gifts), so theyll have alt colours as well. dunno if thats changed w the new versions but i like the interaction

also idk what itll do w the red fish i made

[green yoke]

atm it hasn't been changed. i figured just checking for GiftBoxItem was enough to guarantee it was the vanilla gift box, so i didn't bother with checking mesh, material count, etc. like some of the other items

if there's a problem with that, let me know, and i'll look into how to handle that best... but as long as things are ok, things are ok. 🙂

[hot karma]

yea if it doesnt break anything id love to keep it how it is

[green yoke]

if the red fish is a model replacement for the plastic fish scrap (and not a separate item), it will share its spawn chance with the OG plastic fish

so like

33 green, 33 red, 33 yellow -> 17 green, 17 yours, 33 red, 33 yellow

at least, that's probably what would happen

in the future i could take a look at using vanilla's mesh/material variant system for some items

if it would help with compatibility for assets from other authors

problem is like... right now i replace the mesh on perfume bottles and fish

and i think the fish are incompatible with the mesh variant system because they have different material counts and ordering

so i'd have to hack that a bit

[green yoke]

anyways the reason i did this was to prevent other items from desyncing their appearance with other users

so for example, if you had upturned variety and your friend didn't, you'd still see the same mug designs, just not the same gift boxes or candies

but after i added the config to this mod, visual desync became an issue again if you don't exactly match your configs

because not randomizing perfume models (as an example) will change how the RNG is seeded for other items that get randomized later, even if you both have them enabled

having an identical config except for PerfumeModels will still cause candies to look different

etc.

[green yoke]

the desync i mention with the vanilla system is purely visual, and it would be a fair tradeoff if it would support other modded stuff better

so let me know if anybody has strong thoughts on that

[cursive pelican]

awesome

[grizzled geyser]

It’s funny how much zeekers reuses assets

[sharp iron]

Please Save me Ballin

Ballin please save me Ballin

[gloomy igloo]

the Formaglibbo Globbus...they're evolving....

[lost slate]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-outer-space-gif-988837663270596515

[green yoke]

NO, MR BALLIN!!!!

[cursive pelican]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2789177673

[green yoke]

it's funny

because zeekerss basically canonized this

at some point he renamed mr ballen to mr ballin

lmfao

[cursive pelican]

"Renamed Mr. Ballen to Mr. Ballin, because I learned there was already someone with that weird name."

[green yoke]

note to the good folks using matty fixes

adjust your plastic fish rotation settings to the following or the variants will have weird rotation on the floor

mainly the yellow one

which is long and slender (📜🏞️) and clips into surfaces

[spare hill]

Ok hear me out

Crow from upturned

As an alternative skin for manticoil

On eclipsed moons

[lost slate]

||Manticrow is already a thing with EnemySkinVariety||

[violet gale]

Unfortunately has orange eyes :[

[spare hill]

Dang it, tbh upturned variety is using the assets from the game, not creating new ones, that manticrow is just built different yknow

[ionic owl]

how rare is this one

and are there more rare variants that dont have screenshots

[green yoke]

1/9

[green yoke]

dont think so but could be wrong

[green yoke]

this is a funny idea but it is just a "maybe" from me

replacing the animator, armature, etc. will be kind of a lot of work

but it's not impossible

and it's a fun idea so maybe i will try

[bold canyon]

are there other mods like this one?

i love this

[green yoke]

dunno

this is the only one i've made

if you have LLL and want some more vanilla style scrap the only other one i can recommend in good conscience is
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1319250541418909779

it's the only one i've seen that i think actually truly captures vanilla scrap's feel

but those are brand new items with their own weights and prices and chances

not just skins

[hushed compass]

Generic Scraps are a bit more vanilla imo

[green yoke]

lol literally the very first thing on google is "2x damage shovel"

i could make a joke but it basically writes itself

anyways i will check

idk 3 of these items are recolors of a vanilla item and the rest don't match the art style

[ionic owl]

@green yoke groan tube and the flick stick are pretty good vanilla matches

the flick stick has actual functions of stunning monsters
but it can all be disabled in its config

distinctblaze's scrap he made for his moons are also really close to vanilla

[green yoke]

seen both of these and i disagree

[green yoke]

dunno about this one but i did want to try these at some point

[bold canyon]

i specifically really like the subtlety of this mod
it makes the game just a bit more interesting visually and i appreciate that

there was a mod idea that someone posted a long time ago with a similar premise

idk about gold bolts tbh but i get the general idea and yea its really nice

item skin variants are cool and im surprised nobody has really messed with it until now

[green yoke]

perhaps

at the moment upturned variety kind of cheats because i'm basically just reusing assets zeekerss himself made

[spare hill]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-family-guy-peter-perhaps-peter-perhaps-gif-24813812

[green yoke]

i made a couple small tweaks to make things fit within lethal company's palette

but for the most part the new models and textures are straight out of the upturned

[bold canyon]

thats fine, i would actually prefer that lol
just simple color adjustments to pre-existing scrap items

i dont like it when ppl get too wacky lol

[spare hill]

Groan tube is peak scrap because of the 'AAAAEEEEEEEUUUU'

[green yoke]

i dont dislike the groan tubes

[spare hill]

Aside from that... I don't see any mod that fits LC style

Except this one ofc

[green yoke]

but i think the animation for flipping them is kind of distractingly different from the way vanilla items are animated

[bold canyon]

the only scrap mod i really enjoy so far is the monster plushies
they dont really feel super vanilla imo but theyre cool and i like them a lot more than a lot of the shitpost style scraps

[green yoke]

and i don't think the model perfectly fits the way other items look

i am extremely picky about "vanilla style" stuff so ymmv

[ionic owl]

i mean to be fair

[bold canyon]

ye same

[ionic owl]

what else do you design with a groan tube

i guess like silly decals idk

the caps can be bigger also maybe

[green yoke]

most of zeekerss' "silly items" are branded yes

but also the proportions just feel off

[spare hill]

Tbf, SOME scraps from immersive scraps are OK

[green yoke]

idk what else i could say about it

it's just how i feel about it

[ionic owl]

btw suggestion

maybe you can make the chocolate bar be a candy variant

[green yoke]

im not sure

i think something like that would be better suited for an "upturned scrap" mod

i am sort of loosely interested in the idea of adding entirely new scrap items using some upturned models

but the more i think about doing more experimental variants

the more i feel like i'd rather just add new scraps

like, i thought about making a reskin for the pickle jar that was the candy jars

but it deviates a bit too much and is probably better off just being a new scrap

[spare hill]

😭 not client-side

Would be cool ngl

[green yoke]

yes

this is kind of just spitballing

im not sure i will ever completely commit

[spare hill]

If I'm not mistaken, upturned has a green soda, but for some reason Zeekerss decided to label the scrap RED SODA

[green yoke]

lol

it is funny you mention it

because i made 2 upturned soda skins

but they were so ugly i think im actually not going to add them

[green yoke]

earlier today, i mean

[spare hill]

[green yoke]

disregard the seam, i'd fix the seam if i added it

[spare hill]

smooth soda

[green yoke]

maybe with some more palette tweaks it'd be fine, but i just feel like it's too much a departure from the vanilla soda

and not really that interesting

[spare hill]

Must be really hard search the assets from the game to see if any of them fit LC

[hushed compass]

Oh the Sledgehammer?

It swings slow as shit

Lol

so it's a trade off

Our group almost never use it cus it swings slow, but it's balanced really well

[green yoke]

it's not really the execution for me i just think that "melee weapon that deals extra damage" is an overdone concept and not something that really belongs in LC anyway

shovels are really weak by design

[hushed compass]

Fair, but I do think all the scraps added feel vanilla

[green yoke]

and stronger weapons have limited application

[hushed compass]

Oh the fact it swings slow can get you killed easier

so it's

Do you want a slower weapon that can deal more damage but risk dying easier, or a faster swinging weapon that deals less

[green yoke]

unless the sledgehammer cant charge its swings (which is an awkward design choice, if so) i don't feel like there is added risk

you can charge shovels and release a swing when you're in range to hit something without having to deal with the windup

but anyways i guess it doesnt matter that much

im kind of derailing my own thread a bit

im finally getting around to adding the other candy model

tbh it's a bit ugly and it's gonna noticeably clip into the floor when you drop it

but with config stuff being as in-depth as it is now

i don't mind adding stuff like this that can just be disabled

[hushed compass]

I mean tbf I also didn't like the recolor too much either XD so it's fine

[green yoke]

in the next version i've also sorted out config desync

[hushed compass]

The candy one was the only one I felt looked weird

Lmao

[green yoke]

so you should be able to use different configs from your friends without it desyncing other items

[hushed compass]

Noice

[green yoke]

i.e. mismatching candy settings won't cause mugs, pill bottles, etc. to look different from your friends who use the same settings for those

i kinda forgot that would be an issue when i released the config

and then i just didn't get around to fixing it before 1.3

[spare hill]

Peak as always

[green yoke]

it looks a bit better in v1.3.0

the candy used a slightly higher poly model in the upturned, which zeekerss poly-reduced for lethal company

in v1.2 i ported the textures but i left the model untouched because it felt "more LC-like"

but it did change the UV in a way that looked really ugly so i decided to replace the model in v1.3

with the original model it looks a fair bit better but it's still probably a bit of an acquired taste

this is what it looks like in v1.3 and the upturned

with LC's model it looks uglier

[ionic owl]

i just now noticed the stick is offset from the center

AAAAAAA

[hushed compass]

Oh I hate it

Gdi Purple

[green yoke]

anyways i really like it in spite of the jank

but it is a config setting

if you do not

[hushed compass]

I hate the stick not the color

Lol

why is it off center

XD

[hushed compass]

Why is LC's model more pixelated?

Lmao

[ionic owl]

pretty sure thats not just the upturneds model

[spare hill]

Why is the hand weird

[ionic owl]

poly reduction

[green yoke]

?

[spare hill]

Shouldn't it have a black outline?

Idk

[ionic owl]

no post processing

[green yoke]

oh

im taking these screenshots in the unity editor

not in-game

easier for me

that way

[spare hill]

Oh

Ok

[green yoke]

in-game all of these skins respect LC's post processing

[green yoke]

made it a bit less absurdly large

[ionic owl]

@green yoke dont know if you can fix this but
the item variants dont save on game close

not just lobby closing, entire game closing

[green yoke]

this is the case for vanilla variants as well

reloading a save sets all items to default

[ionic owl]

oh

yeah, thats true i guess

[green yoke]

i finally posted that update i was talking about the other night

alt candy model is in

it actually doesn't look as bad as i thought in-game

it also includes the RNG overhaul

so now you and all your friends can individually toggle off textures/models you don't like

and the rest of the settings you leave enabled will still sync up between each other

[native bone]

Wasn't this supposed to work with RuntimeIcons or am I misremembering?

[green yoke]

i fixed a bug that was causing the alternates to overwrite the normal icon

in v1.1 the red/yellow candy icon would sometimes become the icon for all candies, including vanilla ones

runtimeicons always displays the default first item variant (whichever one shows up when loading a save)

v1.2 fixed that behavior and made it consistent for all the items i change

[ionic owl]

kinda sad the candy model from the upturned cant have the vanilla game lethal company candys textures, any reason why you didnt do that?

[green yoke]

i thought it looked boring

[ionic owl]

lol well i thought about it and the plastic fish also dont have something like that so

its whatever

[spare hill]

does this music from the start of the trailer plays in the original record player from upturned?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLSVIf9qZs

just curious

[green yoke]

i don't recognize this track

i'm only aware of one record player in the upturned

(although im sure there are more)

and it plays a different track than this

[spare hill]

Zek certainly has a taste for music

[azure lantern]

The music on the boombox has enough whimsy to it that fits his style, despite all the serious and horrifying things that happen in the Lethal Company universe.

[hushed compass]

Is it normal for the Variants to reset to the default vanilla ones after a save reload?

[spare hill]

Yes, it happens with all items

Flasks, mugs, metal sheets

Etc

[hushed compass]

Those use SkinnedMeshRenderers though

[spare hill]

Well, she said this

[hushed compass]

Ah

I wish SkinnedRendererPatch wasn't broken and Lilo wasn't MIA

[open crypt]

hey stancake, if its not too much to ask, could you add what SkinnedRendererPatch by DarthLilo used to do into butteryfixes so it saves the unique and honestly amazing types of scraps you've added + the diffrent types of scraps in vanilla? Since as of now SkinnedRendererPatch is broken and idk any alternatives.

[green yoke]

forgot to post here but i likely wont take up this mantle

my mod doesnt even use the item variety system from vanilla

because i didn't want it to desync item appearances for vanilla items

(i.e. if i hooked into it and added my own variants, it would cause a butterfly effect and make mugs/paintings/etc. look different for other players)

if someone makes a mod that properly saves item appearances

then maybe in the future i could add some sort of auto-compatibility where I will piggyback my own custom logic to preserve upturned item appearances if that mod is detected

it's not especially high priority for me though

once the scrap is on our ship i don't really pay attention to how it looks anymore

it's just nice eyecandy for exploring the maps and carrying stuff back

[green yoke]

added a steering wheel

[sacred sandal]

Nice

[ionic owl]

add more!!!!!!!

[spare hill]

Manticrow variant on Eclipse when 🥺

[edgy lily]

Okay but what if... pink fuzzy steering wheel cover variant

[violet gale]

I assume this is rare

[ionic owl]

1/9 chance according to stan

[green yoke]

@ionic owl i found out there is an unused lollipop in the files of v9

[green yoke]

using this model

but with the lethal company materials (colored pink)

so i will be adding that in the next version

[green yoke]

so it will finally come true, i suppose

[ionic owl]

well

this isnt really what i meant

and i know you know this

but still interesting

[violet gale]

Bubblegum or strawberry

Call it

[sterile rain]

have an issue with the plastic fish, from a far it is the blue variant but when i get closer it turns into a yellow variant

[green yoke]

have you updated to sponge 1.1.0?

[sterile rain]

oh yea

i just figured it happens with non upturned items

[upbeat coyote]

Whenever I load into my save the Upturned Variety assets reset into the normal ones

[ionic owl]

happens with vanilla items with variants also

not much stan can really do about that

the solution is either someone makes a mod that saves item variants or stan makes them separate items which is the bad solution

[upbeat coyote]

save item fix doesnt fix it either

[ionic owl]

what is this?

a config option of something i assume

cause i dont see a mod named this

[upbeat coyote]

smart item saving

[ionic owl]

that mod never saved variants last i checked

[green yoke]

smart item saving doesn't list this as a feature

if it was a feature, though, then it would still be incompatible because i don't use vanilla's variant system

it is not flexible enough to support all the skins i have added

and it would lead to visual desync if different clients had different configs or weren't using the mod

which i have tried to avoid

[green yoke]

unfortunately this will still display as "jar of pickles" on the HUD when delivering to ship

or when processing the paycheck

i might have a look at improving on that in the future but for now i think the variety is improvement enough

[ionic owl]

Drop Candy jar colon left bracket G right bracket

[violet gale]

Which Zeekerss game is this from? I don't recall seeing it in The Upturned

[magic ivy]

omg thats amazing

i love this

[green yoke]

it is in the upturned

[violet gale]

Arcade level?

[green yoke]

the mall level

maybe others

[violet gale]

Oh I see

That’s a pretty early-game floor so I’m not surprised I don’t remember certain details from it

[tacit river]

pretty sure its in the arcade level too

[sacred sandal]

if possible, I think it would be cool if the scrap variants were affected by the interior/moon

so on mansions or whatever it shows up as a candy jar

[magic ivy]

that would be cute

[sacred sandal]

birthday bash

[ionic owl]

come on in and have a blaaaast

[upbeat coyote]

i think the update might have broken how the items are labeled

when you pick it up its listed as jar with candy, but once you drop it it becomes a jar of pickles

[green yoke]

what like

the scan node changes??

[upbeat coyote]

Idk

The tooltip changes when i switch between items in my inventory

[green yoke]

yeah i see this now

this is more of an "oops mb" than a v70 change

im almost certain this would still be an issue if you tried it in v69

i just forgot to test this

i will try to address this "soon"

[random spoke]

I think i remember seeing this when playing in V69 so yeah probably an issue before V70 hehe

[green yoke]

being honest this codebase is starting to turn into a mess

so if i want to keep working on it i think it demands a rewrite

now that it has grown to this scale

[green yoke]

the rewrite is complete, but i still need to fix the weird pickle jar bug

im running into some weird behavior with it now that i never experienced before

[random spoke]

wooow, that was really fast!

[random spoke]

i made a clip of it to show, but i guess you already know what happens hehe

[green yoke]

ok i got it now

the solution was way easier than i expected

honestly it was easier than my previous code was too

[green yoke]

yeah i never tried scrolling apparently

but also when i was testing the rewrite i was getting a new issue where it would display as "jar of pickles" for a couple frames and then abruptly change

something which never came up before

whatever the case was the new code appears to work flawlessly

[random spoke]

haha weird! but oh well it's now fixed

you are really good and fast at coding

[green yoke]

well to be fair most of this code was already written, just needed a lot of cleanup and restructuring

i didn't really need to change how skins get applied to the items

but it's nice not having everything jumbled up into one hundreds-line long plugin file

[random spoke]

100 lines is a lot?? oh boy my college homework must be trash XD

[green yoke]

it was approaching 500 because literally the entire mod was in there

the new stuff is a lot more lines but it's a lot more modular (each item has its own code file that defines all of its behaviors)

etc.

[random spoke]

im glad you were able to rewrite it without any major bugs! your mods are really good and unique, you could say they are simple but i feel that they bring the game much more needed variety without feeling out of place

it really feels like smth that zeekers would add in an update

[green yoke]

and now the original file is only around like 100

[green yoke]

that is the sort of thing i strive for so i am very glad you like it

[random spoke]

thanks for making them!

[green yoke]

this sort of feedback is very encouraging for me

so i appreciate it

[random spoke]

np! you really made such amazing mods worth being in the base game, thanks for using your time to make them and fix the issues for us to enjoy😁

[magic ivy]

stan my goat

[wanton hull]

Hey @green yoke how'd u get the assets

I havent been able to successfully rip them from upturned

Any chance u have all of the models? Any chance u could send them to me? Im gonna make a upturned scrap mod with a bunch more scrap.

[green yoke]

not actually from the upturned but it is official

[magic ivy]

are you adding that as variety somehow?

that's super cool :J

[tranquil sail]

You should add some of the music from Upturned to the boombox

Unless it already adds the music I forgot

It does I'm stupid nvm lol

[green yoke]

yes, it will just be another 50/50 skin

[green yoke]

it's a little awkward to apply to ordered equipment, i guess, since you're more likely to hold onto it for an entire playthrough

but i can't reload skins for clients since they dont have access to the save file

so it will just have to be how it is

im going to add one more skin to this update i think

for another item

[magic ivy]

yaaaay

[green yoke]

just taffin about with the new furniture

[hushed compass]

Is that an alt lamp I see?

[ionic owl]

Zed D. Dog

[magic ivy]

pills in the fucking microwave

😭

[hushed compass]

https://tenor.com/view/louis-pillshere-pills-l4d-louis-pills-gif-20468869

[green yoke]

i've heard that this makes them easier to peel

i sure hope so, because otherwise... they're getting it

[magic ivy]

MNOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[gloomy igloo]

That's not how you spell no idiot.

[magic ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021971530986553414/1382542659515584622/christman.gif

[ionic owl]

@green yoke i am pretty sure the lamp variants dont work

this is 100 naturally spawned fancy lamps

none of them are a variant

[green yoke]

i just downloaded v2.1.0 fresh off of thunderstore

seed 41102171 on artifice generates an alt lamp in a greenhouse

[ionic owl]

i dont know then

hold on let me generate this again and send a log

[green yoke]

in other news this seed is cool because it has a banana fish tucked into bed and

[ionic owl]

i might actually know what it is thats causing this now that i think about it

[green yoke]

log level is too high and i can't see anything in this log except [Info : BepInEx] Loading [Upturned Variety 2.1.0]

[ionic owl]

ok well let me confirm if its what i think

might be generalimprovements' feature to turn off fancy lamps for some reason

seems so

[green yoke]

from a precursory glance i would guess what's happening here is that the fancy lamp's grabbable object is getting destroyed (it gets replaced with a new class derived from grabbableobject) and so it gets skipped when my plugin iterates through the items

not sure that explanation makes a ton of sense, because i'd expect other issues to arise if that is the case

but i will look into it more later maybe

[ionic owl]

hold on a second

[green yoke]

nevermind

[green yoke]

https://github.com/Shaosil/LethalCompanyMods-GeneralImprovements/blob/98f85b09caafb06fe435c12766a3acb8b7d53619/Utilities/ObjectHelper.cs#L176

this function here doesn't copy the mainObjectRenderer field

so when my script checks if the fancy lamp still matches the vanilla prefab

(one of the checks it does is verify that mainObjectRenderer is not null, since it's not null on the vanilla prefab)

it determines that the fancy lamp is not the vanilla item and skips over it for compatibility sake

i could technically fix this on my side but the plugin is basically working as expected. it bails out early if it detects modifications so i don't break other modifications

GI dev would probably want to set the mainObjectRenderer field in their function, anyway. i assume it was overlooked

[magic ivy]

oh stan, I can't seem to get the texture or model variants to show up when using RunTimeIcons, I assume they load later than the icon generates?

[hushed compass]

So just turn off the patch in GI

simple

[green yoke]

if it's toggleable that probably also works yes

[hushed compass]

it is

[green yoke]

unfortunately icons are not processed on a per-item basis

it is attached to the item's properties, which is consistent across all instances of the same item type

so items with variants can still only have 1 icon shared between all of them in vanilla

[magic ivy]

I guess biodiversity and upturned variety do it very differently, cuz for Biodiversity the same thing happens but it also chooses a different texture each session it seems?

[magic ivy]

that makes sense, ty!!

[green yoke]

if biodiversity is randomizing their variants in GrabbableObject.Start() then that will happen yes

older versions of this plugin did the same until i became aware of the runtime icons incompatibility

now i do it in SyncScrapValuesClientRpc like all of the vanilla variants

so UV behavior is consistent with vanilla

runtime icons always displays the default variant of an item as the icon

[magic ivy]

sad, but fair!

[green yoke]

and the other variants just don't have corresponding icons

yeah, you'd have to rewrite some hudmanager code to have item variants with separate icons

if runtimeicons ever wants to implement that feature then i would be open to cooperating and making mine work with it

however that needs to happen

but most of upturned variety's existing limitations stem from consistency with vanilla's limitations (and general clientside mod limitations)

anyways sorry for rambling

[magic ivy]

not at all, it's good to know stuff like this :3

[hushed compass]

Now I just need that Classic Suit Restoration update

[upbeat coyote]

Why does the yellow fish get so elongated sometimes

[green yoke]

eventually

it is not as difficult as i was probably making it sound in the other thread

but motivation is low so it's kind of a slog

i've been funneling it into other stuff i'm more interested in, the past day or two

[hushed compass]

That's a good way to handle it honestly

Release stuff you wanna release alongside it

[green yoke]

is anybody aware of all the levels in the upturned with record players?

i was thinking i might try and add random tracks to the record player

if i can figure out a good way to sync them clientside

honestly i kinda hate the default record

Lol

[magic ivy]

I think it's kinda cute but I would love for there to be more

[green yoke]

it would be really easy to tie the current record to the seed

and it would be 100% synced

but i worry that it might be frustrating getting stuck with 1 song for an entire day

or multiple days in a row

so ideally it'd probably need to be like the boombox where you can at least control what track is playing by re-running the record

[green yoke]

that's the entire point id like to add more records in the first place

i get sick of the existing one after like a single loop

[green yoke]

this gets trickier when you add latejoin into the mix, or have people playing/stopping the record player before others join

though

[magic ivy]

yeah and you can't just prevent people from touching the record player in orbit cuz then like... whats the point

[tacit river]

the only one i remember is this one on floor 77

[green yoke]

lol yeah this is the one i remember the most

but i think there were 1 or 2 more

at the very least, im neraly certain there is no less than 1 more somewhere in the game

with a different track

i have loose memories of that

[hushed compass]

I would love this tbh, the default record player track is terrible

[green yoke]

maybe im just wrong

i did a guid search on all the scenes and apparently this level is the only level with the record player prop

there are 2 other levels (15 and 17, not sure what floor numbers) with a prop called "RecordPlayerAndPedestal" but im not sure they play audio

it's a completely different hierarchy than the real record player

anyways i guess i could still add this single track

i think it sounds kinda funny anyway

[green yoke]

assuming the levels are in numerical order that would be 270 and 295

[green yoke]

but that does not seem to be the case

ok it's actually 250 and 283

[green yoke]

yeah the name just seems completely wrong

not at all associated with record players

it's basically just a parent for a bunch of generic pedestal props

[gloomy igloo]

i mean, it's 50% right

[muted seal]

can I not spawn the variants with Imperium? I want to know if the mod works as I haven't encountered any variants yet

but whenever I try to spawn it it only spawns the originals

[turbid fable]

Do these changes sync up if everyone has the mod?

[green yoke]

this mod follows all of vanilla's rules for randomization

only naturally spawned scrap randomizes

[green yoke]

yes, everything syncs separately

individual players can turn off skins they dont like and the rest still sync

[muted seal]

thank you! I managed to encounter the pickle jar variant 🙂

[green yoke]

the light of heaven

[sacred sandal]

noice

[green yoke]

im kind of shelving this idea for now i think because i looked into the mechanics of the record player and they make a change like this really annoying

maybe an option to outright replace the music

[green yoke]

i kinda want to add a blue solo cup

but it's not upturned related or sourced from an earlier version of lethal company

so it doesnt really match the rest of this mod's additions

[random spoke]

time to make a new mod 😈

joke hehe

[green yoke]

i would genuinely consider it

but i think i'd need more reason to do it than just a single skin

[random spoke]

i mean it could be like a skin variety thingy, you can start updating it every time a new idea comes to your mind

[green yoke]

i mean i guess it's pretty easy to just search up images on google and use them as inspiration to make alternate palettes

[random spoke]

oh well yeah, if that's what you wanna do then ye hehe

it would be really cool tbh

[sacred sandal]

More skins would be very nice

[green yoke]

im like 99% sure the ribcage scrap zeekerss added comes from the enemies of the same name in the upturned

i could add upturned variety for it and it would be kinda goofy

all of the realistic gore and bones and then there's ribcages that look like plastic models mixed in

lol

[sacred sandal]

yeah

[violet gale]

Do you ever intend on giving Upturned Variety's models the game's shaders?

This perfume bottle here for example looks weird without it

[green yoke]

it's the exact same material the vanilla perfume uses

the perfume is slightly transparent so the material interacts differently with the shader than other opaque materials

[violet gale]

Ohh

Weiard

Our bad then

[green yoke]

wasn't at my computer yesterday so i had to find some random google screenshot

[green yoke]

but just for sake of proper comparison, here is the vanilla perfume bottle in hand

you can see a very subtle translucency effect, like "fogged glass"

all of upturned variety's perfume bottles use this, so while they dont look consistent in terms of shaded appearance, they do look "consistent with vanilla's inconsistency"

the magnifying glass and shower doors use the same visual stuff

i forget if it's present anywhere else

at specific angles the translucency is a lot more obvious but it's still incredibly subtle for the perfumes

[violet gale]

Bweh

Zeekerss should've made 'em a lil' more translucent

[green yoke]

all fish day on march

[random spoke]

I love fishh

Your mod is so cool

Btw i remember you wanted to do like variations for vanilla scrap, that werent from upturned but just variwtions like color

Has that gone anywhere? It was a cool idea

[green yoke]

it hasn't gone anywhere

it's still a "loose interest" for me

i just havent really put time into it yet

[random spoke]

Yeah fair

I know you havent been that active with lc mods at alla or at least chameleon

It would be so cool tho

Idk how you do it but your mods are sooo well done

You manage to capture the vanilla feeling so nicely

[green yoke]

my friends and i havent really been playing

other things to do

and i havent had much on my to-do list either

im sure by the time v80 rolls around ill be back to full swing development

[green yoke]

chameleon is a project i used to have a lot of passion for but at this point ive added most of what i wanted to add

and i dont even use most of those features anymore

so it's in a really weird spot for me

i dont intend to abandon it or leave it in a bad state but it's been a little while since i felt the pull to work on it

[random spoke]

Yeah completely fair

Gotta be one of the best mods ever

[random spoke]

Haha i hope so! Having to fix all of zeekers bugs hehe

[sacred sandal]

Nice

[random spoke]

Hi bebbi @hybrid canopy :3

[hybrid canopy]

what da hell i tried searching for this and nothing showed up

anyways uh, found an incompatibility with GeneralImprovements:
enabling AllowFancyLampToBeToggled will prevent you from being able to find the lamp variants from this mod

k nevermind i scrolled up and turns out this was already talked about

[random spoke]

[green yoke]

this is an incompatibility and technically i might be able to fix it

i never actually experimented with doing it

i do a bunch of extra checks before i transform an item (to try and verify it wont replace modded items with similar names to vanilla ones)

and one of the changes generalimprovements does breaks those checks

so it's technically working as it's intended to

it doesnt alter the lamp because the lamp has already been altered

it might be possible to accomodate general improvements' changes though if i do manual compatibility

[hybrid canopy]

that makes sense

sort of related, i was getting renders of every variant in upturnedvariety and this lamp with the light turned off was my favorite looking one

[green yoke]

i've been doing a lot of housekeeping recently

i would like to fix that lamp thing

i also realize i completely borked the config (probably in v2.0) and now the candy/perfume options are merged together

so i need to release a fix for that

i also wanted to add two new features though

i want to finally add the record player track (but i need to find a good way to randomize the track and i haven't been able to figure that out yet 🙁)

anyways i'd also like to add another new item variant

i havent tested if it actually looks good but i think it will be cool

[random spoke]

Cook cook cook!!

Stan try not to be peak challenge impossible :3

[hybrid canopy]

omg new variant I'm excited

[green yoke]

im worried it wont actually look good 🙁 but i at least want to try

i think it will be iconic if it works

at least

[hybrid canopy]

i have faith

[random spoke]

Me too

[green yoke]

do you guys want spoilers

or do you want it to just be a surprise

[green yoke]

for this

i think i finally have it in a spot where im happy with it

in the editor, still have to implement it

[hybrid canopy]

i am absolutely ok with spoilers

[hybrid canopy]

OMG

[dreamy wadi]

Chocolate :3

[hybrid canopy]

IS THAT A ||CANDY VARIANT||

[green yoke]

yeah

im not 100% sure what i wanna do

||i think it will probably be a "one chocolate bar at any period of time" type deal, like the banana fish||

[hybrid canopy]

oh i didnt know the banana fish was like that actually, neat

[green yoke]

originally banana fish was just like a 1/9 chance but i revamped it a bit in v2

but like

||with 4 different variants of normal candy im not sure how to make the chocolate bar distribution good||

||if 50% of all candy is chocolate bars then you're gonna have 50% chocolate and 12.5% for all the other candies||

||i could make chocolate bars just a 20% chance i suppose but idk||

[hybrid canopy]

that'd probably be fine

[green yoke]

i do want it to feel a bit more special than the other varieties but it just feels like this is too much

i just dont know what the right balance between "special" and "vanishingly uncommon" is i guess

[hybrid canopy]

what if it had like the uhh sfx from upturned as well

[green yoke]

🙂

[hybrid canopy]

that could add to the special feel but also idk if you'd wanna do that

based on the smiley it seems like this is already something youve done though lmao

[green yoke]

cut a jig

[green yoke]

honestly i havent tested record sync at all in multiplayer but i might just release the update anyway and hope it works!

i put a kill switch in the config because i expect it will conflict really badly with anybody else modding the record player

and might not even function correctly for everybody else

there's so much other stuff in this update that is more deserving of release and i put "enough effort" in that i think the record player should also probably be fine

but who knows

ehhh fuck it. they yearn for the upturned

[inner valve]

i csn help u test it out later if u want up to u:-) my laptop is shit with playing but can usually test fine

[random spoke]

The update is out?!

[green yoke]

@inner valve @hybrid canopy

[inner valve]

ohhhh oh oh oh

[green yoke]

of all of these i feel like "silly wacky hands" is probably the closest to "i could add this to the mix and it's fine"

but even like

making that a bottles replacement feels strange

so im really not sure what to do with it

it would be much better if i could make unique scrap items and add those to manor maps

for example

[hybrid canopy]

i think the shock thing could possibly be a variant of the remote, but that would probably mean taking it out of the packaging

[green yoke]

there's also this music box thing which is cool

[hybrid canopy]

honestly

it'd be cool if these were added as separate scraps not as vanilla variants

[green yoke]

i think this would really work in lethal's art style, just not sure what it would replace either

i guess im sort of accumulating a list of ideas for "upturned scraps" as a separate standalone thing

which could eventually happen

[hybrid canopy]

would be a banger mod

[green yoke]

the dumbbell is one of those things that's like "yeah that'd work" but it's not really flashy enough to be a variant

imagine you find a gold bar and it's a dumbbell instead

heartbreaking

[inner valve]

LOL

[hybrid canopy]

lmao

[inner valve]

its shape is more reminiscent of a large axle to me but the weight is probably way off

[green yoke]

i'm more worried about the scale

i could add this absolutely massive dumbbell as a large cog variant for sure

[hybrid canopy]

i was looking through the lethal items and it could be possible to make the shock thing be a variant of the hair dryer, since it rests flat on the ground and could be pressed to make some kind of shock sound instead of hair drying

[green yoke]

though then you are right, it would be weird for that to be 16lbs

[magic ivy]

some of them are so diff from vaniller scraps that yeah I feel like they should be

[green yoke]

yeah i think im really out of stuff that i can just add

as variants

even chocolate bars are really pushing that

[magic ivy]

LOL i mean it'd be pretty funny

[green yoke]

and if i make a proper "upturned scrap" mod i would definitely just move the chocolate bars to that

[hybrid canopy]

how about the big bolt one?

[magic ivy]

but people tend to use gold bars for like, mining site moons

so that could clash a little

[inner valve]

the chocolate bars were really cool though

[green yoke]

yeah i mean it's cool and i think it's nice that it worked out so well

but like

[magic ivy]

what are they a variant of? candy?

[green yoke]

i have come a long way from "this mod adds a gift box recolor and a boombox track"

[magic ivy]

makes sense

[green yoke]

it's starting to feel more like it's own thing and less like "this is stuff zeekerss could drop in lethal company tomorrow and nobody would bat an eye"

[ionic owl]

the toy robot?

[inner valve]

toy robot is already in lethal

[green yoke]

oh that's actually not a bad idea

[inner valve]

oh

is it like a little different in upturned?

[green yoke]

no i think he means making the toy robot have the music box as a variant

[inner valve]

ohhhh

wait true

[green yoke]

also yes the toy robot is higher poly in the upturned

[hybrid canopy]

oh wow yeah i could see that

[magic ivy]

truth

[green yoke]

it has a more detailed model

[magic ivy]

would work well

[ionic owl]

idk btw about like

separate upturned scraps

[ionic owl]

i like the variants being such a lot a lot

[inner valve]

he's reaching for them....

let him have a toy

[ionic owl]

but i do get why making them their own items would be cool

[green yoke]

the texture is more metallic, has a more pronounced normal map, the arms are way more detailed, the face is modeled rather than just textured, etc.

[inner valve]

i see now

[green yoke]

im not sure it warrants being a variant though

[ionic owl]

4K lethal company

[inner valve]

yeah no definitely not lol

[green yoke]

im also not sure if it would animate properly

i havent looked at how its set up before

[hybrid canopy]

if anything it could just straight up replace the original robot

[green yoke]

lol yeah

[inner valve]

only other thing i can think of is a control panel tbh

but the hair dryer is good

ok to be honest i'm not sure how the traveler scales with the scavenger so i don't know what the scaling is like for that

[green yoke]

well i can adjust the scale of the items within reason

im more concerned about proportions

i can't change how the variants are rotated in hand, rotated on floor, or the size of its colliders

[magic ivy]

Big toy robot my son

[green yoke]

stuff like the alternate candy is great because it's basically the same shape held the same way at the same size

but like

candy -> chocolate was a little rough

obviously all of the recolors are basically free

the gift box recolor is straight out of the upturned

just remapped to lethal's UV

i cheated a bit with the control pad because there's like a billion of them attached to these different arcade machines

i just made my own recolor factoring in some of the palettes from these

[inner valve]

oh huh i didn't even know that one was reused from here

[green yoke]

but you can see in the screenshot some of them have different button layouts

[hybrid canopy]

ooh alt button layouts would be really cool

[green yoke]

and if i were more talented with 3d art i'd probably try to backport some of those shapes

im not "entirely satisfied" with the state of control pad variants right now but i haven't really done more with them up to now

[inner valve]

is it just a matter of getting the models and taking out the control pad part?

[green yoke]

technically yes

i think the control pads are actually separate meshes already unless im mistaken

but if i was manually making alterations then i'd probably want to optimize them to use a texture atlas

many of the upturned's meshes use separate materials

for example the cash register variant i just added uses 5 separate materials which all get rendered separately

compared to the original cash register which is a single material and texture

and, iirc, also lower poly despite being more detailed

right now UV just uses a bunch of direct rips from the upturned because i dont have the talents to make modifications to them yet and i've been seriously procrastinating getting around to learning

there's a lot of stuff that could be simplified and optimized that would be, i imagine, not too difficult with just a bit of practice

[ionic owl]

btw

i love that the chocolate bar ||plays the collected sfx when you grab/unpocket it||

spoilered because its that cool

[green yoke]

yes i put a lot of special effort into that one

it came out better than i hoped it would just in my head

but that's part of the reason i think it should probably be its own scrap item

and why im sort of considering going forward with that in the future

working in the realm of "it's a clientside candy replacement" makes some things about it a bit awkward

[inner valve]

if it got moved to this hypothetical standalone scrap mod i would definitely like to use it

[green yoke]

there's this random basket that would easily work as a bottles replacement

except who wants a bottle replacement that's just "an empty basket with the same sell value"

[inner valve]

no more root beers!!!

a basket would be cool though

sort of like a bucket but not

[hushed compass]

Time for Upturned Scraps mod

[hybrid canopy]

maybe if the bottles were placed into that model of basket, but that might be pushing it

[inner valve]

ahhh i see. well i'm not super familiar with any of that unfortunately so i can't offer any advice with that... but if you ever look into that i wish you luck

-# something i should also probably look into all things considered

[green yoke]

lol yeah im sure it's not all that scary but i just always feel intimidated about jumping in totally blind

and i worry that the extent of the talent i could develop with 3d modelling is just "making adjustments to other people's stuff"

i've sort of spoken about this before but im not sure that i'd have the knack for actually creating 3d models even with good references

[green yoke]

even this would be a huge tool to have on the toolbelt though

i can think of a couple of things i'd like to use it for

[inner valve]

it's definitely intimidating (i've seen that firsthand) but i think it's possible! you've got a lot of drive and i think you could do a lot with it even if it takes a while

[ionic owl]

what if you made the entire hotel as a variant of experimentation

joke btw

[inner valve]

lots of people here that do modeling stuff as well i'm sure they'd be happy to help... blender is so massively used it's got loads of documentation and guides for it as well

[green yoke]

i dont remember which floor it is but there's also a floor that has like soda cans on it

that would easily make red soda variants

i will see if i can find them real quick

yeah no idea

oh well

[inner valve]

wiki says floor 154 has one near patricia's starting point?

[green yoke]

yeah i wanna say it was one of the maps with a bunch of winding halls

maybe it's as early as 13

[inner valve]

yessssss

her drinks...

[green yoke]

i remember there are more somewhere else but not where

but point is there's a couple different soda cans i can add

with a couple different palettes

maybe that will be in the next version

[green yoke]

i also discovered while looking into this

the elevator goes to floor 15, stops, and then falls back to floor 13

which is ||a lot stranger when you realize that means the elevator fell up 2 floors but i guess it also turns sideways so it's operating by some funky rules anyway||

[inner valve]

huuhh interesting...

[sacred sandal]

yeah

I think being a new mod would be cooler for the ones that don't really fit within another scrap item

honestly I think the candy jar could also be split from the pickle jar, it feels like it would spawn on mansion moons rather than on assurance

[sacred sandal]

also I've always thought that the upturned could be a gold mine for scrap items that fit within lethal company's art style

since many of lethal's scrap items are from the upturned originally

[inner valve]

ok so i tested it normally and it works great, syncs just fine, not sure what exactly the problems might've been with messing with the config like you mentioned but on its own it works

[green yoke]

if you disable the config setting mid game it will stop randomizing the disc

then if you turn it back on it will roll different results from everybody else

minor thing but it is fixable

also it re-syncs the random every time

1. a new person joins
2. a day ends (items despawn)
3. every 10s during the day

i wanna say there's probably some fringe issue where if someone turns on the record player right on the edge of a 10s window

the random might get rerolled before other clients play the record

and that could cause it to desync until the record player gets turned off and on again

but it's hard to say for certain

and that's so edge casey i hope it doesnt really matter

[inner valve]

i think it's probably fine yeah

i didn't test it during an actual day but i can't imagine that being a massive issue if it gets synced again when it turns off/on

[green yoke]

it re-initializes the random in the time sync RPC and playing the record itself is an RPC i believe, so it should send out those RPCs to everyone in the right order

the only person that might get the desync to my knowledge is the person who actually plays the record but i never mapped this out in my head so that might be incorrect

[inner valve]

oohh huh

[green yoke]

what i believe would cause issues is:

1. the host sends out the time sync RPC (once every 10s)
2. before receiving the RPC, a client interacts with the record player

• this sends a server RPC to toggle the AnimatedObjectTrigger for everybody else, but...
• the local client immediately toggles the AOT

3. every other player would receive the toggle RPC after receiving the sync RPC, since RPCs execute in order

so the player who turned on the record player would use the old random

and the other players would use the new random

i could get rid of the 10s random sync but then there's the issue of if the record player desyncs once, it stays desynced for the entire day

until it ends

granted desync shouldnt be too terrible anyway since even choosing completely randomly there's a 50% chance it will be correct and it should get fixed on the next 10s window

but the lack of perfect sync does irk me a bit

this is probably the part where i should sensibly try to do custom networking messages but like i said i just dont know how to do that yet

i'd have to learn

[inner valve]

is there any other situation it could desync other than the 10 second thing (and the config)?

[green yoke]

well all the sync relies upon is that everybody has the exact same System.Random object for the record player at any given time

so like, when people join into the game, they wouldn't have an existing System.Random object and even if they did, it wouldnt have the same number of "rolls" already made as other players

which is why everybody re-rolls the random object on a new player joining

i think the record player probably just desyncs when new players join in vanilla anyway

[inner valve]

oh sorry i meant that isn't already accounted for with the other two resyncs

[green yoke]

like, if the record player is *playing, and its turned on for everybody else, the new player won't see it turned on until the record player is interacted with

so having to retoggle the record player for everyone to see it in the same state feels like it'd be fine

[inner valve]

yeah i think so

[green yoke]

off the top of my head, no, but since i was worried it's possible that's why i made it resync during the rounds

otherwise the next time everybody'd get synced together is at end of round

[inner valve]

hrm that definitely makes sense but i mean if it's causing possible desync issues now it could maybe be left out for now

[green yoke]

yeah it's true

i dont think i was making "the most sensible decisions" with it

it was the last thing keeping the update from going out and was kind of rushed with a lot of stuff i just felt was necessary

under scrutiny it's probably not so much of an issue

like, for example, there's a similar issue with boomboxes

[inner valve]

hard to really say you weren't making sensible decisions when you got the client syncing to work in the first place, idk i just think it's impressive it was made to work at all

[green yoke]

for a while you used to need this mod to prevent boombox desync if you:

1. used late join
2. enabled grabbing items before the game starts

and basically all this is doing is just re-initializing the boombox's random for all players every time a new player joins the game or a new round starts

which is basically the same approach i used with the record player

and you'll notice it doesn't bother re-syncing every 10 seconds

[green yoke]

so maybe it was already determined that wouldn't be an issue within those 2 constraints

i dont care if it desyncs for players joining mid round because that's always been disastrous and impossible to sync correctly

at minimum it should sync if everybody plays by vanilla rules and connects before the first time the ship is landed

and ideally i'd still like to support latejoin, because even though it's buggy enough i dont personally use it, enough people do that i think it's best practice to consciously make the effort to support

[green yoke]

anyways, for what it's worth, you dont even need this mod anymore because matty just implemented the "proper fix" in additional networking

the proper fix being "use custom networking messages and just tell other clients what track the boombox is playing directly"

in the future it's probably worth the effort for me to do the same

[inner valve]

that would be cool!

[green yoke]

on an unrelated note

idk why the boombox is even randomized to begin with

trying to pick your favorite song is a nightmare

and the cruiser radio actually has ordered channels

[inner valve]

yeah i have also thought that was weird >_>

[green yoke]

if v80 is the renaissance update for forest giants and old birds and everything else he's fixing

maybe it should also be the boombox renaissance

[inner valve]

please....

zeekerss i need thiissss

i wonder if there's a suggestion post about it...

there does not seem to be one

[sacred sandal]

boomboxes being non random would be very cool

[random spoke]

Im so happy

Love aeeing stan updating upturned!!

Btw i remember back then you said you were thinking on doing something similar to this mod but with just random variations of scrap

Like not tied to games or anything

Just variations

[green yoke]

yes

[random spoke]

Is that still i thing? Or was it just a thought that went through fast

[green yoke]

it never exactly got off the ground

[random spoke]

I would love to see that

And even more knowing its coming from you

[green yoke]

partly because i would have trouble making it work properly with this mod

[random spoke]

Actually im curious

[green yoke]

like if i wanted both upturned variety and "generic scrap variety" (or whatever) to have candy variants then linking them together will be a headache

[random spoke]

Whats your thought process behind your mods, you really are like uhm the best at recreating zeekers style

[green yoke]

also if we're being super realistic... it should probably be something like enemyskinregistry where everybody is free to register item variants and has a super robust config for everyone to customize weight per moon

and that is such a mammoth undertaking im not sure im capable of handling

[green yoke]

it would be extremely easy to just make a mod that supports variants of non-upturned items though

like i just googled "airhorn" on image search and made a note of every palette i saw

[sacred sandal]

if you were to do that then it would probably be easier to do the same thing for the chameleon interior variants

[green yoke]

implementing those is pretty effortless

i'd love a rainbow collection of plastic cups

etc.

[sacred sandal]

since part of the system would already exist it would just be tying it into that system

[green yoke]

i suppose the other possibility is i could deprecate upturned variety and implement all of the upturned skins into this hypothetical generic variety mod

[sacred sandal]

thats true

[green yoke]

and just make it so you can disable individual skins

but that's also sort of the nuclear option and ive never felt ready to commit to that

[green yoke]

anyways... to be completely fair to 99% of people in this community

i absolutely have an unfair advantage at mimicking "zeekerss style" because i'm pretty much exclusively reusing his assets or fixing stuff he's already tried implementing himself

[sacred sandal]

if you don't do the new scrap mod then I'd like there to be a feature for them to detect on what moon the scrap variant spawns

[random spoke]

Atp i think it would be better to just be a scrap mod, not a replacement of vanilla

[green yoke]

like with this mod

[sacred sandal]

or I mean for the candy jar to be on mansion moons instead of just anywhere as an example

[green yoke]

the gift box in lethal company literally reuses the model and color palette from the upturned

[random spoke]

I mean, lots of other people use vanilla assets and things to make their mods tooz but you can still feel like its modded to a certain degree

[green yoke]

there's just 2 different palettes in the upturned and zeekerss never ported the second palette

[random spoke]

While yours literally feels part of the game

Both bugs and features

[sacred sandal]

I think thats partially because its mainly tweaks

or visual stuff

[green yoke]

but lethal company already has set a precedent that some items have multiple color palettes (like easter eggs, paintings, mugs, etc.)

so it's absolutely feasible that in a universe very similar to our own

zeekerss would have already included* that gift box recolor

[sacred sandal]

honestly I think if someone asked him in patreon chat or something while he's talking he would probably add it in v80

[green yoke]

so much of the stuff i do is meant to be "objective improvements" as in "i can reasonably explain that zeekerss just overlooked this and that's the only reason it's not in the game"

obviously "objective improvement" is sort of contradictory and ive been wrong before

but i guess it is just very important for me to be able to justify most of what i do in that light

for me to be happy with doing it

it's sort of limiting in certain ways too

like a pretty regular request i get for BRB is to add the sapsucker to march

but in my brain it seems like zeekerss absolutely intentionally did not put the sapsucker on march

as a way to differentiate it from vow/adamance

so im kind of stubbornly against using that change

[sacred sandal]

Sapsucker on March will not age well in v80

[green yoke]

and if im not using it, that makes most of my motivation for implementing it also disappear

[sacred sandal]

or would not age well

[green yoke]

personally i can't stand that zeekerss released a massive chunk of lore with the old birds

and then removed it in such a messy way that it left half of a trailing sentence there

and yet when we asked him about it he confirmed it was intentional and not a bug

so i was wrong about that for months

[inner valve]

i was just thinking about that...

[sacred sandal]

I asked him about that as well

[inner valve]

i mean to be fair that's a decent assumption to make given the track record

[green yoke]

the other day i was talking with him about how old bird spawns are bugged in vanilla and his approach for fixing it was totally different from mine

even though my fix was intended to match the philosophy he used for other enemy spawns

so even when i am doing my best to mirror his implementations sometimes pattern recognition just "isn't good enough" to be objectively right

[green yoke]

so like... i am under no illusion that BF is "lethal company exactly how its envisioned"

but a lot of thought goes into changes and i like to believe at least the vast majority of it is justifiable when put under scrutiny

[inner valve]

absolutely

[green yoke]

this one is in the minority thouhg

• Corrected an infamous typo with TheGoldenGoblet which was mistakenly implemented as a "Golden cup"

this one is a joke