Buttery Fixes

[jolly raven]

I guess? idk if you could do ragdoll stuff with items

maybe thou, it'd be cool

[trim breach]

idk

it looks like an attempt was made

but there is weird stuff happening here

[ruby dagger]

Artifice's nighttime ambience overlaps with the daytime one

Is that intentional

[livid plover]

What time did you notice it

Cus it's a crossfade

[ruby dagger]

Afternoon

[trim breach]

yes

[ruby dagger]

Ic

[trim breach]

if i had to guess

that is the reason he disabled it

assuming he did so intentionally

[pallid cloak]

There's nighttime ambience for art? How different is it from the daytime one?

[pallid cloak]

Nice, thanks

[ivory sluice]

man i really like that night time bass

i never heard it in game because of how quiet it is

[smoky current]

you never heard it ingame because its unused

[ivory sluice]

oh it is?

[livid plover]

yeah it didn't play

[smoky current]

the scene is missing the audio file

yes

or

it doesnt play on awake

[ivory sluice]

damn that sucks

[smoky current]

something

butteryfixes fixes it

[ivory sluice]

honestly would be really cool to hear it in all moons when its night time

[livid plover]

it's supposed to crossfade over the course of the day on artifice, and for whatever reason it was removed from the crossfade

so all artifice gets unmodded is that its ambience gets quieter over the course of the day

[trim breach]

the audio file is there, otherwise it would be compiled out of the game

it's just missing a flag to play on awake

yea

[smoky current]

this might be lowkey kind of creepy but i wish i had the repository for the game so bad lol

imagine how much cool unused shit is in there

i bet you liquidation actually has a fucking scene

and it was just removed from build

[livid plover]

can't wait to see what liquidation looks like (if it ever becomes real)

[trim breach]

how do you think i feel about granny

and all the other unity games i play

granny has an unused model with an old texture laying around somewhere

that has never been released or available in any public builds

but the texture got compiled into the final game so we know it exists

and it has me deathly curious

[meager estuary]

Finally have the Granny mod Purple jokes about

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach It looks like Vanilla Meteor Shower and Baboon Hawks don't like each other very well

Wonder how easy this would be to fix

[trim breach]

well

there's a million different things that null reference could be

could you send me your whole log when you get a chance

hopefully there is something a bit further up that makes it a bit easier to search through

[radiant nymph]

they mention they can't see the threat, which then proceeds for the errors to just spam it seems like

[smoky current]

lmfao

buttery im looking through this and i think they might be right

i dont think this is an easy fix

unless coderebirth is failing but im always sketchy when coderebirth errors; its usually not their fault

[livid plover]

coderebirth gets included with almost every exception but it usually isn't their fault

and if its vanilla meteors i don't think this is anything to do with them

i do notice it's on duckstroid

does it happen on other planets?

like is there a chance the modified baboon hawks from duckstroid could cause it

[radiant nymph]

idk cus the event is rare

[radiant nymph]

I would feel like it wouldn't mention the vanilla ai script if it was that

as far as I'm aware the custom ones are smaller with a custom model and less health but use the same ai as vanilla ones

[thorn breach]

if an enemy errors, no matter what it is, there's like a 95% chance ill show up

mainly because of where i patch

error is in doaiinterval

which is ran on update

which i patch

so i just show up by default lol

[low jewel]

what do you patch it for

[thorn breach]

dunno been a while, irrelevant to the error but ill check since im curious

ah right, icy hammer stuff

i dont like that i do .ContainsKey first thing on update, ill change that to first check the count of the dict

[quartz ether]

TryGetValue 😢

[thorn breach]

okie

[quartz ether]

nah, it's vanilla AI doing something wrong

probably doesn't handle well if enemy destroyes

[thorn breach]

yea

[thorn breach]

the error itself isnt related to me but i'd imagine checking ContainsKey on a dict every update isnt the best way to do it, i assume u said this as a better way lol

[quartz ether]

yeah, trygetvalue would be better here for not looking for the key twice

[thorn breach]

should i still check count first or just do leave it to a trygetvalue

[quartz ether]

should be fine just trygetvalue

[trim breach]

yeah if you're doing if (dict.ContainsKey(key)) value = dict[key] it's nicer to just do dict.TryGetValue(key, out var value)

[meager estuary]

Was doing a bunch of terminal mod stuff today and realized there are some vanilla stuff that I would appreciate being fixed:

• After selling scrap at Gordion, the orphaned radar icons of said scrap sometimes appear on the ship monitors, potentially confusing players

• Spike Traps should be scannable like Landmines and Turrets

• Inactive Old Birds can only be scanned from their front

• It would be cool if the terminal ‘view monitor’ command could have its map be controlled separately from the ship monitor

• Company Cruiser is erroneously listed as 400 credits when it actually is 370 credits

I guess you are right, the ideas for stuff never stop, though I still stand my point this mod is incredible as is. 975k downloads as of now

[trim breach]

• After selling scrap at Gordion, the orphaned radar icons of said scrap sometimes appear on the ship monitors, potentially confusing players
  lobbycontrol fixes this

• Spike Traps should be scannable like Landmines and Turrets
  im almost certain a mod already exists that fixes this and it's possibly intended by design? i might add this as a config setting we will see

• Inactive Old Birds can only be scanned from their front
  there's not a super great way to fix this without also allowing it to be scanned through walls, but that might be an acceptable fix, i'll play around a bit with it

• It would be cool if the terminal ‘view monitor’ command could have its map be controlled separately from the ship monitor
  use tworadarmaps

• Company Cruiser is erroneously listed as 400 credits when it actually is 370 credits
  i have already fixed this

[thorn breach]

(idk if it ever happened but the spike traps' navmesh modifier being fixed would probably be a noticeable fix in making enemies avoid blatant spike traps)

[trim breach]

it's on my todo list but i havent changed it yet

[thorn breach]

makes sense

[trim breach]

there's a couple navmesh fixes i'd like to make but i need to make sure it wont break anything if it's done clientside

should be okay but you never know

[thorn breach]

yeah true, and speaking of navmesh stuff i recently learned that the ship mods might be regenerating different navmesh between host and client, thinking only the host controls enemy movement, lol, so that's kinda funny

[meager estuary]

Two steps ahead of me, did not LobbyFixes addressed the scrap icon issue

I think Dev 1a3’s ScannableCodes lets Spike Traps be scanned, but that mod does several things with the scanner I am not interested in

• Shows terminal codes on scan
• Increases scan distance of traps
• Makes Powered Doors be scannable

[trim breach]

i think there is another mod that just makes spike traps scannable

also secure doors are scannable in vanilla

scannablecodes just changes the node's description to list the code

[meager estuary]

Oh there is a mod that just does this

I guess you can leave it out then

[meager estuary]

Iirc only as a first-time thing that goes way after your first session, like the prompt that says you have lightning in you or that you have landed during an eclipse

[trim breach]

there is a one-time prompt when you approach the doors, yes, but the scan node is always there

i think it's only scannable when the door is closed

[meager estuary]

I need to check this right now

I swear that besides that one prompt they do not ever appear on the scanner

Darn it does show up

Buttery teaching me new things about the game every time I talk to her

You have to be really close to it while it is closed though, very situation

[ruby dagger]

Okay, apparently manticoils can bug out sometimes, and spin like how they do in their death animation mid-air

Wtf

[trim breach]

yes manticoils are completely broken

i dont know why

i want to eventually fix it

[ruby dagger]

Would you also be interested in restoring their old behavior where they would leave at 4 and not 12

It sucks that they leave at 12 due to you largely being indoors around that time, so not a lot of screentime

[trim breach]

it is not a bug that needs fixing so that is outside of scope for this mod

zeekerss intentionally made them leave earlier in the day

even if they leave at 12 that's still time enough to see them on the way walking from the ship to the building

and when you're dropping off loot outside earlier in the day

i do sort of like early evening manticoils but that might be more of a balance change

my only guess as to why he changed it was to prevent overlap with eyeless dogs on artifice

maybe

[ruby dagger]

Maybe for Chameleon?

[trim breach]

chameleon is client side features exclusively

it would be in butterybalance even if it is a minor gameplay change

[ruby dagger]

Would you be interested in adding it to that?

[trim breach]

i might

not sure when

[thorn breach]

can we get Narpy Changes where it's changes that affect no one except narpy and they're the polar opposite of what narpy wants

[ruby dagger]

Maybe

[exotic elm]

the radar icons fix is in MattyFixes not LobbyControl 😅

[trim breach]

oh my bad

[eternal lantern]

I never noticed that the time they leave was changed. That’s a bit of a shame I like the silly guys

[lilac thicket]

🔥

[slender tide]

bunny and bee suits dont have ears is there a fix for this?

[meager estuary]

She has a separate mod for Masked entity bugs

[eternal lantern]

MaskFixes

[slender tide]

i meant when i see myself in the mirror or in a mod which change the camera pov (like "TooManyEmotes" mod) , my character does not have visible ears. is this a part of maskfixes or not? if not is there a another mod which fixes it?

[meager estuary]

Oh, yeah that is not addressed

I think that is an issue to ask TooManyEmotes dev to fix, though maybe Buttery will take it up. She tends to focus on vanilla bugs though

[trim breach]

well

i am technically causing that

sorta

but it's complicated

[meager estuary]

Ah, well I will leave to it

[trim breach]

or i might not be

i actually dont know the default behavior of those mods

but i changed the way those hats get applied to the local player

so my changes might cause an incompatibility if they account for vanilla behavior only

[paper garden]

TME uses its own camera

[trim breach]

well

what happens in vanilla

is the hat object spawns but it gets attached to the "fake helmet" object on your HUD

which causes it to look weird on your shadow, weirder still if you disable the shadows on the fake helmet object (which butteryfixes does)

if you do that it causes those hats to float off of your shadow

so i made the hat spawn on the player's body instead, like it would on other players

and i just apply a flag to the renderer to only render shadows, so it doesnt overlap the camera

[trim breach]

if toomanyemotes hides the fake helmet, then it probably wouldn't render the bee/bunny cosmetics in the first place

but if they have some sort of patch to reparent or transform those objects

then i might be interfering with that

[trim breach]

since im setting a flag on the renderer for it to only cast shadows and not draw

[smoky current]

ladder fix when (idk how to do it)

[trim breach]

idk

i didnt work on mods at all yesterday

i took a break from it

i'll probably get back to some things today

[thorn breach]

i've noticed on my dev pack that if the cruiser explodes while im inside it, it breaks me using the terminal lol, nothing that needs to be fixed really but kinda funny

[trim breach]

yeah i'll probably leave that be

the cruiser is hardcoded to kill players inside the driver or passenger seat when the car explodes

and then also summons an explosion that kills through the vehicle's colliders immediately after

so you'd need cheats to survive

[meager estuary]

So uh, I used GeneralImprovements to increase the resolution of the ship's internal camera to make it look a bit better, and now I notice it has the thing where both your player model and first person arms are being rendered at once. If this is a vanilla thing, could it be changed because now I cannot unsee it...

[trim breach]

it's a vanilla thing and in the longterm i want to fix it but it is a difficult fix

[meager estuary]

I see

[somber hearth]

is it still a vanilla issue that eyeless dogs cannot hear a shotgun being fired by the player no matter how close?

I thought either zeekerss or this mod had fixed that by now, but seems not

[meager estuary]

TestAccountFixes has a fix for that

[somber hearth]

oh, ty!

[trim breach]

vanilla issue yes, use testaccountfixes yes

[loud mist]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/EliteMasterEric/CevasScrapRebalance/

are the conductivity changes the same in both mods?

[trim breach]

sorry i got caught up looking at other stuff this morning and forgot to get back to you

this mod does

• conductive
  • dust pan
  • fancy cup
  • lockpicker
  • cookie mold pan
  • old phone
  • shotgun
  • spray paint
• non-conductive
  • control pad
  • soccer ball
  • toilet paper

conductivity in vanilla seems to be entirely based on "is the object metallic or not"

but there is no consistent ruling

dust pans have a rubber handle but also have a metal scoop

i made them conductive by the same logic that shovels are conductive despite having a wooden handle

control pad is dubiously metallic but it's likely plastic

[loud mist]

what about the whoopie coushion

or was that fixed in vanilla

[trim breach]

concerning these choices:

• the chemical jug's sound is distinctly plastic
• the jar of pickles is almost entirely glass (and idk that the lid is metallic)
• zeekerss & zedfox confirmed there is "something inside" the zed dog plush which explains why it is conductive and sounds like metal when it is dropped

[trim breach]

whoopie cushion was fixed in v50

flask was also erroneously conductive for a while but i believe that was fixed in v62 (v64? whichever patch fixed all the v60 scrap being conductive)

although that update still didn't fix toilet paper, soccer balls, etc.

[ruby dagger]

I’ve personally imagined the item inside the zed dog as like

a coin

Who knows though

[trim breach]

it makes the same clatter as the large axle

which would be a loud noise for just a coin to make

[ruby dagger]

Drill part

[meager estuary]

Someone had said it might be lead inside the plushie

[eternal lantern]

Zed plushie is in his “prime”

[jolly raven]

it has a bomb

[calm bobcat]

lead filled

[summer falcon]

interesting question.. are items in belt bags conductive...?

[livid plover]

no

[trim breach]

items dont stop sparking when they get bagged

but they won't get struck (putting items into a belt bag teleports them 3000 units out of bounds)

and items inside the belt bag will not be retargeted when a new item starts sparking

[summer falcon]

i did figure that.. just wondered if something had been implemented so a bag with a metal item in it gets zapped like a metal item. shrug

[livid plover]

oh is that how it works/

i thought it was something like doing a destroy and writing the item properties into a temporary memory

[meager estuary]

If you do some real hacky stuff you actually can get a player trapped in there

The pocket dimension of the Belt Bag

[smoky current]

hacky stuff being pocket an extension ladder with a player on it xd

[loud mist]

https://tenor.com/view/1gb-do-the-trick-ram-gif-24048735

[exotic elm]

🤔 #1360176633847349348 message

do you have a way to turn off your FireExit patch?

[trim breach]

no

but if you are ready

i can release the next version

where i pulled all of that stuff

[exotic elm]

well mine is still in beta

just that our mods clashing could be the cause of some desyncs as reported in #1200695291972685926 message

well the link is the logs, the message with the issue is a bit above it

i've pushed my v0.0.3 where i overwrite the result with mine in any case

[exotic elm]

btw i use conditional here because i can't test it out for a while and it's one of the potential issues

[teal flicker]

I'll make my people drown on Polarus again next Saturday, will see if things work out or not

I still gotta check on this softlock when leaving moons and the buggy mimics sometime befor Saturday tho, I still don't even have a guess wich mod could have caused this from 1 week to another

[hollow fable]

Not the appropriate thread, but I was playing solo with SafeSoloScrap and died, then I realized that all my apparatus on the ship vanished (2 from previous runs)

Idk if some Baboon hawk stole or it's intentional

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach All these updates recently and this remains your abandoned child 😭 https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ButteryStancakes/RadioBabyFace/

[trim breach]

i no longer have this source to this plugin

i could remake it very easily but i just decided not to

maybe in time

i unfortunatley forgot to link to the github page for halloweenaction

as well

so that kinda sucks

[radiant nymph]

rip

[opal cairn]

@trim breach i have discovered a bug with water

you can walk sideways in it and wont get slowed down

[radiant nymph]

Imo Feature

Lol

How noone has discovered that til now is funny

[opal cairn]

im sure someone else has

but yeah not even high quota players have mentioned this

afaik

[thorn breach]

are you sure about this? i just tried it and it feels slower

i'd need to time it to be sure but yea

[opal cairn]

i think it doesnt work if you jump into the water

cause i had a moment it wasnt working also

and i believe thats the cause?

[ruby jay]

one time I jumped into water weirdly and then wasn't slowed down by it

I have zero clue how I caused it to do that but it has happened once before

this was also vanilla

[rustic crater]

Pretty sure if you enter a body of water, get out in some way, and go into a different body of water, it just won't act as water

Can happen in March iirc

[paper garden]

WHAT

[trim breach]

i am familiar with that water bug

but i have no idea why it happens currently

[trim breach]

if that is enough to replicate the bug that is crazy

flooded + mineshaft would make it easy to confirm

march and vow flooded also have "stacked" water which would be easy enough to check out too

[ruby jay]

I got this bug on flooded assurance

Back when mineshafts didn’t exist

It happened when I jumped off of the ship into the water

I landed near the path the leads up towards the drop ship location

[opal cairn]

theres a bug with water as a whole where you dont have the slowness or drown

but this is a different thing im referring to, where crab walking in water seems to not slow you down

if you dont do a fall enough drop into it at least

youll still drown in it though

[trim breach]

water inhibits the player the same as any other hazard

if walking sideways somehow avoids the penalty it should also apply to spider webs and such

unless walking sideways is preventing the player's contact with the water from being registered at all

which would also circumvent drowning

[rustic crater]

Oh I hadn't considered the mineshaft cave water actually, hmm, don't think I've seen it happen with that but I'm not sure

[rustic crater]

I just know a friend was struggling with this specific issue for a moon of his, where there's a couple lakes that can be entered on the way to main

[trim breach]

anybody having problems with the external fire exit rotation?

[livid plover]

uuuh i dont think so

just that sometimes it puts me out 90 degrees to the right

instead of facing outward

[trim breach]

that's the problem

vanilla's fire exits are rotated wrong

my mod is supposed to fix them but i noticed it is not working

at least not consistently

it is probably something to do with lethalperformance or entranceteleportoptimizations being updated

[smoky current]

i fixed that on all of my scenes

the issue is the telepoint rotation

i can help you out with that if you want

[trim breach]

well i fixed it forever ago

[smoky current]

oh i see

[trim breach]

i was just running into a weird issue yesterday where on one of my profiles

the changes weren't being applied and no errors were being thrown

like something was preventing Object.FindObjectsByType<EntranceTeleport>(FindObjectsSortMode.None) from succeeding

[trim breach]

lol i just found out that 8 days before i posted this message

i archived the source on a private server

and completely forgot a week later when i was doing all my updates

somehow

but tldr i can actually get it up to date

with lobbycompat

[trim breach]

i also discovered a longstanding bug i needed to fix so that's good

apparently if you loaded a save file with a cruiser attached to your ship, you'd have to dump that cruiser and buy a new one before you could tune to baby face

[ruby dagger]

Do you have interest in fixing the nutcracker bug/cheese where they get stuck idling after someone jumps through them after they reload

[trim breach]

if you attack them after doing this they turn around now

which fixes the part of the cheese where you can just kill them for free

good enough for me

[ruby dagger]

Ough

Fair enough

[opal cairn]

just to give a random update about my crab-walk into water thing
it was just placebo lmao

it just really felt faster some how

[summer falcon]

[22:24:28.9526869] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
ButteryFixes.Utility.NonPatchFunctions.ForceRefreshAllHelmetLights (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB player, System.Boolean forceOff) (at <218e255bd7c64ee4be26e712c62a8fdc>:IL_00C4)
ButteryFixes.Patches.Objects.FlashlightPatches.FlashlightItemPost (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB ___previousPlayerHeldBy) (at <218e255bd7c64ee4be26e712c62a8fdc>:IL_001A)
FlashlightItem.SwitchFlashlight (System.Boolean on) (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0113)
ScarletMansion.GamePatch.Items.ScarletFlashlight.UpdateSpecialProperties (System.Int32 colorIndex) (at D:/Previous Computer/Desktop/LethalCompany Modding/ScarletMansion/ScarletMansion/ScarletMansion/GamePatch/Items/ScarletFlashlight.cs:76)
ScarletMansion.GamePatch.Items.ScarletFlashlight.LoadItemSaveData (System.Int32 saveData) (at D:/Previous Computer/Desktop/LethalCompany Modding/ScarletMansion/ScarletMansion/ScarletMansion/GamePatch/Items/ScarletFlashlight.cs:42)
StartOfRound.LoadShipGrabbableItems () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_02F7)
DMD<>?1687272842.Trampoline<StartOfRound::LoadShipGrabbableItems>?-1266138646 (StartOfRound ) (at <5003d6c1b7264e8f8c9756531633c289>:IL_0025)
[email protected] (On.StartOfRound+orig_LoadShipGrabbableItems orig, StartOfRound self) (at ./Mirage/Hook/Item.fs:15)
DMD<>?1616688230.Hook<StartOfRound::LoadShipGrabbableItems>?616086304 (StartOfRound ) (at <96860dc8958443d48fb862df1713ced0>:IL_000F)
DMD<>?195591504.Trampoline<StartOfRound::LoadShipGrabbableItems>?963062516 (StartOfRound ) (at <d043d2da91b648858fbf4d31a2109a68>:IL_0025)
[email protected] (On.StartOfRound+orig_LoadShipGrabbableItems orig, StartOfRound self) (at ./Mirage/Hook/Config.fs:48)
DMD<>?-1247728304.Hook<StartOfRound::LoadShipGrabbableItems>?-1178705004 (StartOfRound ) (at <777dc16691b64b8bbe11135a9e37f993>:IL_000F)
StartOfRound.Start () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_02B2)
DMD<>?-2089618754.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?233389568 (StartOfRound ) (at <135d7788cf5a411aa999218a6e3b7ee6>:IL_0025)
LethalLib.Modules.Items.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at ./Modules/Items.cs:146)
DMD<>?-1138834286.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?1583113388 (StartOfRound ) (at <c80b0c5f0b374d16a58e8c997255f174>:IL_000F)
DMD<>?-1856542502.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?-460502080 (StartOfRound ) (at <ee89c903063d4b70b544244f2dbbd76d>:IL_0025)
LethalLib.Modules.Utilities.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at ./Modules/Utilities.cs:77)
DMD<>?732489272.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?780326364 (StartOfRound ) (at <1bd7e8ace86d4b2aac74329c7e3f2dc2>:IL_000F)
DMD<>?-1198401390.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?1109584936 (StartOfRound ) (at <de56c82cb72b4d96a2f3ba26b4e016aa>:IL_0025)
LethalBestiary.Modules.Utilities.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at <0d184de3cadb4a4a9b8ad443576d9910>:IL_019C)
DMD<>?-699037830.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?1940506988 (StartOfRound ) (at <e0d55b9bcd0a43bdb0ba26d46e444c75>:IL_000F)
DMD<>?-1956250816.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?-966189262 (StartOfRound ) (at <0ce581d559724645891a80564e1bf8ee>:IL_0025)
LethalBestiary.Modules.Utilities.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at <0d184de3cadb4a4a9b8ad443576d9910>:IL_019C)
DMD<>?1300557252.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?-529776316 (StartOfRound ) (at <d6c5aaa2630144aa94563131dfb6e337>:IL_000F)

feel like this is a conflict of something, should mention, we rarely have an issue of falling through the floor when we connect to the lobby, which i fixed previously by moving EVERY item that exists to a new position in the ship, then the floor seemed to be solid again.

this time however, it seemed to fix itself (as i didnt fall through the floor before moving items), not saying this error was the cause, just giving context to what was occuring at this time.

I beleive this error was from when i restarted the game + lobby after moving all the items using imperium (then removed imperium), suddenly then i was getting a lot of errors.

this is the full log, incase it helps with determining whats up with the above.

[opal cairn]

wait what 😭

ive had this happen also

me and friends could never figure out why it wad

[summer falcon]

well, i searched for the issue within this discord server, and the only mention of it was from last year, to which the person also, hadent found a fix.

either way, its only been happening to my group for the last few weeks.

either way... in both cases its occured to my group..

the first time, it was spamming about belt bags, which, ngl, move all over the place (at least when matty fixes installed), one was in the floor, but, yeah, moving all the belt bags fixed the error and stopped people falling throughthe floor...

the "falling" is not the bug, the falling, is because of the skybox of celestialtint/etc leaving a space below the ship. the bug is that the bottom of the ship stops being solid... not a clue why, but i turn off mods related to having an "outside the ship" and i bounced around in the ship like a ping pong ball til i fixed the issue.

the second time, 1 person fell out of the ship, i instantly went to fix it, no bouncing, no falling, but all sorts of other mods broken, self sorting storage lost all my items except the ones displayed, etc..

it seems whatever is causing the bug.. is breaking the whole save, as you switch save, and no issues until the bug occurs again.

so it maybe that for the bug.. we need someone who knows what saves should be like and can look at the data within them, i d k.

[opal cairn]

i assumed the root was belt bags or jetpacks

but couldnt pinpoint any specific mod that would cause it

ive had it happen like 17 times or so

maybe thats a bit much

but its at least double digit

[summer falcon]

well the time that happened this weekend, was a shovel being picked up shrug

[trim breach]

im not even sure what could be causing this error

it looks like this issue would only arise if:

• a PlayerControllerB was added to StartOfRound.Instance.allPlayerScripts that has no allHelmetLights and/or ItemSlots array defined
• or a new helmet light is added to that player's allHelmetLights with a corresponding flashlight item (matching ID) that does not have an insertedBattery

neither of these are possible in vanilla and it doesn't seem likely a mod would be doing either of these things

unless there is some flashlight mod im not aware of that adds a brand new pocketable flashlight beam and also doesnt use batteries

at that point i assume there is just some sort of initialization error

[summer falcon]

hmm, i will look into it, as i did see in imperiums spawn menu a few different flashlights.

[summer falcon]

well, this is all the flashlights appearing.. but im not getting the error
first 2 come up as "priceless" because of sciencebirdtweaks, i think these are also made using crystals from scarletdevilmansion. (turned off SDM to confirm this)
another 2 are because of "remnants" (turned off to confirm once again)

all of them seem to be scrap.. not tools.. all seem to have a battery. (spawned with imperium)

once SDM + renmants are turned off, there is 1 flash, and 1 pro flash, and they spawn as tools.

so yeah, i dont know what could be causing that error, only seems to happen in my main lobby.

[thorn breach]

i didnt see a mod that fixed it but there's a bug i'm surprised no one's seen before, if you pocket or discard an item you're inspecting, the HUD just stays gone, lol

i just did this to fix it personally

[opal cairn]

im not sure what youre talking about

i just tried this and i still have my HUD

[thorn breach]

so while you're inspecting, you pocketed the item and the HUD re-appeared?

[opal cairn]

yes

[thorn breach]

i mean i just tried it now without any fix mods, maybe buttery fixes does fix it just doesnt say in the readme

[opal cairn]

it might be exclusively the clipboard

i tried it with toothpaste and the pill bottle

[livid plover]

i thought you can't inspect those

[opal cairn]

wasnt this the mod that let you inspect items normally uninspectable

which is therefore why xu is reporting this

[trim breach]

weird

i havent noticed this bug or done anything to fix it

i did make adjustments to inspectable items in this mod though

i fixed some items (like extension ladders) being inspectable even where it doesnt make sense

and made a couple other items (like magnifying glass, weed killer, etc.) inspectable that weren't before

i think toothpaste is inspectable by default

i know for a fact the mug is

[thorn breach]

i made some items that are inspectable and noticed this in em then noticed it happens in teh clipboard which is what led me to look at code and seeing that nothing was done to fix it in base game

[trim breach]

are you using imperium in this clip??

imperium hides the UI when you press Z (the inspect button by default)

are you sure it's not that

on my debug profile inspecting doesnt hide the HUD

[thorn breach]

💀 coulda sworn the pack only had my mod but maybe.
It just made so much sense too

[thin berry]

I can confirm this in an imperium issue, it does not happen in vanilla

[thin berry]

I made pretty mush the same fix as you lol until i discovered that there is no need because imperium is not installed when playing normally

[thorn breach]

it just made so much sense that zooming in on the clipboard made your HUD disappear

[opal cairn]

@trim breach @summer falcon ok so update to that bug about falling through the ship constantly
i got it again just now and the log was being spammed with errors related to the cupboard

now i want to preface: i dont think this is butteryfixes, since it doesnt touch anything related to the cupboard last i remembered

im just mentioning this here since its where it was last talked about

i also dont think its the modded scrap items causing it because this was happening with vanilla game tools from time to time

so its something related to the cupboard, probably at least

[trim breach]

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::SetItemInElevator>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB,bool,bool,GrabbableObject)
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::GrabObjectClientRpc>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB,bool,Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference)
  at GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.__rpc_handler_2552479808 (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour target, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader reader, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams rpcParams) [0x00064] in <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0064 
  at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void_NetworkBehaviour_FastBufferReader___RpcParams(Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour,Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader,Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams)
  at Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers.Handle (Unity.Netcode.NetworkContext& context, Unity.Netcode.RpcMetadata& metadata, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader& payload, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams& rpcParams) [0x0004e] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_004E 
Rethrow as Exception: Unhandled RPC exception!

[green valve]

I havent been around for all the conversations involving this, but I've done a lot of troubleshooting around this issue and this is the console spam that 100% correlates with it if you havent narrowed that down already:
Infinity or NaN floating point numbers appear when calculating the transform matrix for a Collider. Scene hierarchy path "Environment/HangarShip/StorageCloset/RedCoffeeFull(Clone)/ScanNode"
had to deal with this happening with my cupboards mod but I'm pretty sure that was just because I added more cupboards and thus more sources of error.

however, I do suspect this is a modded issue of some sort, or at least made more significant by the presence of certain mods (maybe certain modded scrap is more prone to the issue even though it can happen with vanilla stuff?). I used to have this happen now and again (especially with my cupboards mod installed), but after cleaning my modpack out a few times I havent had it happen in months

[thin berry]

I still haven't had this issue happen to me so thats a good mystery, but i hope it's not sss related

[summer falcon]

ok, i got the infinity or nan error too

but it was mentioning belt bags

[summer falcon]

only cabinets i use.. are the vanilla one.. and the SSS, with the belt bags being in the vanilla one..... so are we suggesting this is an issue with the vanilla cabinet somehow? xD

also, the only "thoughts" i can provide on why belt bags were erroring for me, was.. with the settings i use in matty's fixes for stopping items falling through the floor, i notice belt bags, and only belt bags, move all over the place in the cabinet (at least when a game is loaded, they move backwards), does the item mentioned (red coffee full?) also move around? and do you use matty's fixes for correcting item positioning? or GI? or another mod? @opal cairn

[thin berry]

Ah good question, maybe it's MF related or a conflict with GI

[summer falcon]

well i use MF, so if purple uses GI, then its not related to either imho, but if purple also uses MF, and sciencebird also used MF when it occured for them, then potentially, it is related to MF keeping the items in place (and potentially not doing it good enough in some items cases).

as i say, only item i notice moving around after loading game, is the belt bags, everything else sits in place..

im now wondering, if, the belt bag moves back far enough.. it then interferes with colliders, which then disables them.. leading to falling through the ship. (i fixed the falling, by using imperium to move all the belt bags on to the floor then reloading the game)

[green valve]

I also theorized it had to do with MattyFixes since it does stuff with placement colliders and objects (which is where this issue happens), but I could never find a conclusive link. Its bound to show up in similar places alongside the bug though since it handles every grabbable item quite frequently. I don't see any indication MattyFixes in purple's log (also I've still been using it basically unchanged for a while now with no issues). could still be related somehow, with weird issues like this it's hard to say what exact combination of mods or circumstances causes it.

[opal cairn]

i wouldnt be surprised if it is solely generalimprovements some how
but this bug has not been happening for anyone (afaik) until like 3 weeks after the journeys update for wesleys moons released
no, i dont use mattyfixes, GI's cupboard setting works just fine, and the item position changing feature in the mod is not actually a real fix for anything, and it forcefully effects items even if you try to tinker with the settings, thats why i dont use it, im not missing out on much for this
the coffee can is a scrap item from the modded moon refuge, it does not have animations, its just a still item, but again, i know that has nothing to do with this issue, it just happened due to it by chance, im pretty sure any item can cause this

like 3 weeks after the journeys update for wesleys moons released
this is a time estimate, but it was definitely post-journeys update, thats all i can really say for help trying to track down the cause

[summer falcon]

i dont use GI, so if you use GI and not MF, then this isnt related to either imho

so wait you use nothing to prevent items from moving around?

[opal cairn]

they.. dont..?

[thin berry]

they do...

[opal cairn]

i havent had items fall through with just GI's setting on
i have with both mattyfixes and GI's at the same time, but one or the other being the only one on doesnt cause it

[summer falcon]

so you do use GI to stop items falling/moving then. (GI setting is on)

[opal cairn]

yes

[summer falcon]

then its neither gi/mf imho

[opal cairn]

well its also not butteryfixes since it doesnt touch the cupboard at all

the only mod i can think of that might be the cause is smartitemsaving

which that mod doesnt explicitly touch cupboards

but items are effected inside the cupboard

if you dont have smartitemsaving though, then i really dont know

[livid plover]

this is for the issue of people falling through the ship?

because that's weird

i run all of the SIS/GI/MF/BF and it doesn't happen

and also run the SSS

but not more cupboards

[opal cairn]

it would only happen to clients

more cupboards only increases the chance this happens

since well
theres more cupboards

[livid plover]

i've only seen 1 of my clients get it like 5 months ago

it was 100% the same thing everyone else gets

but they were the only one to get it ever

[opal cairn]

i might have an idea why it happens actually

ok my theory was wrong (probably at least)

i tried to pick up items with saved positions by SIS, then store them into the cupboard at the same time a client joins

got nothing

[summer falcon]

originally happened to clients.. but, if left unfixed, host joined the clients in the void (for me at least)

for me, one of my friends fell through the floor, i reloaded the game (potentially then causing the belt bags to shift again) and suddenly i fell through the floor too on the next reload, and then it was busted completely after that.

it was always falling through the floor on spawning in, so i think host (in my case) was protected the first "round" of issues, but after i reloaded, something changed and it affected me too, and once host starts falling through the floor..

i had to..

1 - disable the outside roaming mods (celestial tint/etc)
2 - while bouncing around inside the ship (because the colliders missing is only an issue because of the outside roaming), move all items in the ship using imperium to place them on the floor
3 - reload the game, bouncing stopped (colliders fixed).. but SSS was busted.

[green valve]

the times it happened to me the person who fell through would just die (if it was on a moon with a higher kill plane like gordion) otherwise they would eventually snap back up to the floor when the errors stopped (if on another moon with a placement collider like galetry). but other than that no effects on other clients or the host, they would just come back to life normally at the end of the round. never tried restarting in the middle tho

[summer falcon]

we never had it happen while landing or on a moon, it was always on game load, so it maybe that slightly different issues, were leading to the same outcome?

[green valve]

if the person falling through the floor is getting the infinity or NaN errors I mention here, probably some variant of the issue purple and I are talking about, if not, probably something different but maybe related

tbh it might just be some fundamental error that unity encounters in various different bugged circumstances, so could be no connection at all between issues lol

[summer falcon]

it is the infinity or nan issue, im just saying, it maybe different issues causing it.

[trim breach]

i will update the mod as soon as i can

im playing v70 strictly vanilla so i can get a spoiler free experience with as few bugs as possible

so i dont know how much of my shit is broken

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach well he restored the film grain on the main monitor

[trim breach]

yeah i saw it on his gifs with the new radar

i figured it would need to change on my end

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach It dies on boot

Error relating to the mold patch

did he kill the fox completely?

[trim breach]

@radiant nymph 1a3 sent me a dm

he removed SetPlanetsMold in v70

the function that grows weeds between days

so any of my mods that patch it are going to be broken

[radiant nymph]

Rip fox

[trim breach]

lol

yesfox will need retooling

again

[radiant nymph]

I'm sad in a way that the fox was so hated

It was such a cool concept

[low jewel]

the fox is DEAD. there's nothing left of it.

[meager estuary]

The Fox was a cool concept but the Vein Shroud mechanics were so broken they spoiled its introduction. Zeekerss tried to fix it but it was too little too late, its reputation was in the gutter

[livid plover]

Kidnapper Fox is lost media?

https://tenor.com/view/lost-media-bowser-mario-super-mario-mario-strikers-gif-6061624933304188566

[feral roost]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-media-lost-media-wiki-lmw-mid-gif-18121899458994860477

[trim breach]

im sure 1a3 and i will make sure it works in yesfox

however that needs to happen

i still havent encountered the new creature but it's possible its design might conflict with the kidnapper fox somehow

and maybe it was just no longer recoverable in zeekerss' opinion

that's all speculation on my part though

[meager estuary]

That would be unfortunate

[livid plover]

i know

i saw the opportunity to make a dumb joke

that's all

[trim breach]

well, you know me

anyways

ive been looking at some backend stuff and it looks like zeekerss fixed a couple of things that were in this mod

so i'll be able to remove some things

which is nice

not a whole lot

in the grand scheme

[livid plover]

still good for it to be in base game

what were the fixes he made

[trim breach]

well like

he fixed bee hive pricing not being based on distance from the ship

but it looks like he did not fix duplicate prices on hives

so if i am correct

it means all hives on the map will fit into 2 different price categories

a "near ship" price and a "far away" price

that is the same for all hives spawned that day

so my fix is partially implemented and could be simplified

when i write the changelog for my mod i will include full notes

im just checking out the internals while my friends are afk

[livid plover]

Gotcha

I have so much anticipation to see what changed when the changelog comes out

[meager estuary]

Me too

[trim breach]

im working on the update now

my session with friends is over

[ruby dagger]

What do you think of the new entity and Manor tiles?

[quiet rune]

Thank you!

[trim breach]

still havent met the new enemy

love the new manor

my only gripe is that kitchen feels really weird now

has a bunch of cabinets and a fridge that just dont open

even though all the other tiles have interactable drawers and stuff

and ||there's a new openable fridge furniture for the ship||

[ruby dagger]

Agree

Prob a smol oversight he'll get to eventually

[ruby dagger]

Vow

They have a much lower spawn weight everywhere else, but is almost guranteed there

[trim breach]

we went to vow and didnt see it

[ruby dagger]

Unlucky

😭

[trim breach]

also didnt have time to visit adamance before my friends had to go

but i'll probably run into it then

i'm definitely not going into it spoiler free

[ruby dagger]

You don't play solo?

[trim breach]

most of the gimmicks have been spoiled for me at this point

i could never get into solo

[ruby dagger]

I'd be up to encounter the entity /w you sometime if you want

I like having more ppl to play LC with anyways

[livid plover]

my friends only found the new entity literally the day after i got off

we went to vow like 7 times

[ruby dagger]

Bruh

Unlucky

[trim breach]

also fixed dogs killing players through closed ship door sometimes

also fixed meteors spawning masked corpses

[teal flicker]

ButteryFixes itself doesnt seem broken tho right?

i havent found anything atleast

[livid plover]

don't think so

theres just some fixes that got merged into vanilla that need to be removed

[trim breach]

it will break the game if you try to load it

zeekerss removed one of the functions i was patching

[teal flicker]

i mean the game starts just fine with it installed

[trim breach]

you'll have to play without for now, but i will hopefully post an update for it tomorrow

it is pretty high priority for me

[trim breach]

it will throw a harmony error that shows in your log, and could cause unpredictable behavior with other mods

[radiant nymph]

If you use MattyFixes you'll wanna turn off the radar patches too

[trim breach]

feel free to use it at your own risk, but just be aware of the possibility

[radiant nymph]

it got overhauled so they probably won't do anything anymore

[trim breach]

maybe

zeekerss did recolor the scrap icon

but if it uses the same underlying system it probably will still work

getting eaten or selling items still doesnt despawn your item icons from the map

so if it's not compatible with v70, matty will still need to update it

since they werent fixed in vanilla

[brazen fulcrum]

So how we gonna fix ||da bird||

[trim breach]

i am not currently aware of any bugs with the bird

[brazen fulcrum]

Oh dammit this is the wrong mod

I was looking for rebalance

Wait was there not a discussion for butteryrebalance

[trim breach]

there is one

[radiant nymph]

Do all of your fix mods need updates btw?

or just Buttery?

[trim breach]

i do not know

at the very least

enemysoundfixes needs an update too

zeekerss fixed one of the bugs i fixed upstream

mask fixes might also need an update

supposedly

[radiant nymph]

He didn't touch anything with the Barber so

those mods are prolly still fine

[brazen fulcrum]

I wish he would

Justice for barber

What's gonna happen to fox? Sounds like he removed code

[trim breach]

he removed the function that grows vain shrouds between days

1a3 already pushed a patch to move it somewhere else

so yesfox should be functional in v70

now

i need to do a quick pass and fix a couple other things so he might wind up publishing another update "soon"

but it's pretty low priority for me

[brazen fulcrum]

Oh nice

I mean i hate the fox but I still get curious about it

[trim breach]

the new enemy is giving me a real headache

with its unique player corpse

[radiant nymph]

it sucks that it keeps breaking players too

[trim breach]

it's the "snipped players always wear the orange suit on their legs" problem x100 because it's all the gibs

and it doesnt even use the corpse script that all the normal ragdolls use

[thorn breach]

it has a new player death corpse?

[trim breach]

yes, it rips you into pieces

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

[thorn breach]

oh interesting

[trim breach]

i will have to engineer some custom components and logic to get it wearing the right suit

which is going to probably be the biggest timewaster getting the v70 update out

but that sort of inconsistency really bothers me

everything else has been going well and i hope to launch it in a couple of hours

mask fixes and enemy sound fixes will also need updating

[quiet rune]

Why?

[trim breach]

zeekerss fixed some bugs with the masks/masked in basegame

same for enemy sound fixes

i also havent done a polish pass on the new enemy, it might have bugs i need to iron out

[opal cairn]

i mentioned this in her dms, but the ||sapsucker|| does have an audio issue where it ||starts snoring before its fully asleep||

i wouldnt really classify that as a bug, its more likely an oversight

[livid plover]

i did notice it ||started snoring for a few sec and then when we got close it woke up immediately, don't know if that was intended behavior||

[opal cairn]

its random ||when it wakes up||

at least i believe it is

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach ButteryBalance will also need an update yeah?

[trim breach]

yes

at the very least, to remove the tzp *buff

which no longer works in v70 (and is also obsolete)

[brazen fulcrum]

wait what?

I thought it was buffed

is it no longer

[trim breach]

@brazen fulcrum my mod increased the 22s timer to 34s

but since vanilla was increased to 38

my patch does nothing, and also would be a nerf to tzp if it did

lol

[ruby dagger]

Please don't fix the bug with the microwave btw, or at least make it optional, because it's peak

[trim breach]

🙁

[ruby dagger]

I like my spinning weed killer as I sit atop my throne (Sofa chair)

[trim breach]

i think the microwave implementation is lowkey awful

it seemed like it would be a lot of fun but it just does not do anything with any items

metal doesnt explode or cause power surges

the item spinning is desynced from the actual microwave plate

also a lot of smaller items just straight up disappear when you put them in the microwave

because they are placed underneath the microwave

[ruby dagger]

Yeah I was disappointed as well, but the spinning item bug makes up for it a bit

[trim breach]

you have to go around behind the microwave to grab them

[thorn breach]

buttery you dont happen to know what soft masking is 🥺

[ruby dagger]

Imagine you explode your microwave and then have to buy a new one to keep your luck

That would've been peak

[livid plover]

incoming BetterMicrowave mod

[trim breach]

huh

[thorn breach]

its a script zeekerss uses for the compass

but i just cant figure out why a mod is conflicting with that script and where i can even visualise the code for that script

[brazen fulcrum]

oh im big dumb

[thorn breach]

nvm found it

[trim breach]

was it in a different assembly?

sometimes stuff gets moved to csharp-firstpass

[trim breach]

also might've been in a third party assembly

lol

yeah

[thorn breach]

i just didnt expect the com.stuff

[radiant nymph]

The addition of this has been wild since some mods hook into something that just break it

I just wonder what they're all equally hooking into

[livid plover]

i found a github page for it, it definitely looks like an effect he used to fade out the sides of the compass

probably some hudmanager shenanigans since the inclusion of the compass will inevitably shift things around

which would probably break transpilers

[trim breach]

im actually losing my mind with this new ragdoll

none of my other mods should take this long to update

i am just very nitpicky with this one in particular

[meager estuary]

Take your time

[trim breach]

i dont think the update will come tonight

it's very very very close but i dont think i have the ability to push for the last hour or so

it will be coming tomorrow for sure, though

[ruby dagger]

Are you interested in eventually making temporary contour lines for March and Titan until Zeekerss does it himself

It's not necessary, I'm just baffled how he forgot

[trim breach]

definitely not

if someone else makes them i will implement them

though

[ruby dagger]

Deserved ngl

[teal flicker]

You can actualy use the chair? We tried things but we could only tie ppl up lol

[opal cairn]

you have to use the zap gun on it

[teal flicker]

Oh

That sounds fun

[thorn breach]

stormy weather works to

too

[trim breach]

update in a couple of hours

sorry for the delay folks

[trim breach]

more specifically you have to zap gun a player that is sitting in it

the chair can not be shocked

and yes, if the ship is hit by lightning it also causes a surge

[thorn breach]

goated

[opal cairn]

hunting wabbits

[trim breach]

very sorry about the delay

i didnt expect it would take me this long but i found some more stuff i want to fix

i am absolutely dedicated to getting this out tonight, though, it's seriously really close

[livid plover]

what other stuff did you find?

[trim breach]

found another huge bug related to the sapsucker corpses

right now, you just kind of crumple into a bunch of bloody bits

but you're supposed to "explode", with your various pieces getting launched outwards

the script zeekerss wrote to do that has like 4 or 5 different bugs and it causes extremely weird behavior

like 2 of the pieces instantly getting catapulted out of the map and despawned

and the rest just being completely immobile

[ruby dagger]

FIVE BUGS IN ONE METHOD?

THAT'S A NEW RECORD

[quiet rune]

Does this but have to do with the error being spammed in console?

[trim breach]

yes

it is exactly what is causing the error spam

Lol

[quiet rune]

Ohhh

[quiet rune]

It’s okay take your time!

[trim breach]

looks very nice

admittedly there was some creative liberty taken (i had to guesstimate the amount of force zeekerss intended, because the numbers he used literally launch shit out of the map)

but it's a lot more visceral now

[meager estuary]

I was a little taken aback the first time I saw a Sapsucker death player corpse

[stuck pagoda]

Absolutely gibbed

[meager estuary]

Zeekerss has his work cut out for him though, cheeses and several cases of broken AI have been discovered for the Sapsucker. I actually broke its AI on my very first encounter with it and got to take the eggs for free

[trim breach]

lol someone apparently just discovered that some items are broken and cant spawn in v70

clocks and candy apparently don't spawn at all in v70

because of the spawn type bug (which previously blocked tabletops from spawning in mineshaft back in v60)

[trim breach]

they were given a new testing item type which was apparently never removed

[opal cairn]

that update is gonna end up getting delayed till tomorrow due to more shit being discovered

[trim breach]

no it's still coming tonight

but i wouldnt be surprised if i have to release 1.14.1 shortly after

at this point

lol

but im going to fix everything im aware of before i post the update

the changelog is starting to get really big, though, so i think im just going to post some details here

tentative list of stuff fixed in vanilla v70:

• Dogs killing players through closed ship doors
• Meteors spawning masked corpses
• Hygrodere bestiary typos
• Stormy weather breaking when items despawn
• Challenge moon broken enemy spawns
• "n" displayed on terminal when viewing monitor
• Film grain restored for radar
• Restored ship icon for radar

bee hive prices were kinda fixed. they have different prices based on range to the ship, but are not individually randomized, so every hive fits into one of two "price categories" per day

these were the 3 things i was going to include in the next update before v70:

• Dropped items now make noise alerts for all clients (fixes inconsistent detection behavior for some enemies)
• Fixed dropped items not synchronizing their rotation for other players
• Fixed door unlock sound playing twice

at this point i've added 13 new fixes for v70

well, 13 new fixes are planned, i still have to write code for a couple of them

[meager estuary]

I have had a bug for a bit where the unlock noise plays when opening a door that was never locked. Anyone else?

[trim breach]

i have seen that bug before but im not 100% sure why it happens

i believe my fix for the double sound bug will fix it

hard to say without knowing the root cause though

[meager estuary]

Are you gonna bother with the Giant Sapsucker? I have already seen its AI break in three separate ways

[opal cairn]

this is more than just an audio bug, its just straight up a desynced locked door

occasionally, a door is not locked for you, but is locked for others

that is why the sound happens, because the locked door is suddenly not locked after its open

[trim breach]

that is my hypothesis as well but i feel like i've seen it happen to entirely unlocked doors as well

but i might be wrong

[trim breach]

just became aware of more problems with the "signal lost" screen...

this is probably going to impact the trout population significantly...

[opal cairn]

well the door would therefore be desynced for you also

cause i havent heard it happen to a door that was unlocked before

[trim breach]

ok the logic for the signal lost screen is so buggy i think im just gonna throw it out and replace it

which means my previous fix (which just toggled the screen on/off every frame, but respected the vanilla logic) is no longer sufficient

[trim breach]

i really hope this does not bleed over until tomorrow

ughhh

[radiant nymph]

What's wrong with it?

[trim breach]

everything

it updates on such a huge delay it will usually get stuck on screen

when you're not watching people in the caves

or it takes a huge delay to switch

the detection method means you can stand on minecarts, generators, etc. random props and it will bypass the signal loss

too many edge cases in general

ok i think the new implementation mostly works

there's one specific cave tile where it seems to act up

let me troubleshoot

[trim breach]

i just found out the line-to-exit on the radar doesnt work properly in mineshaft

probably because of the elevator

if i spend time fixing this the update is actually doomed

this is coming in a future update

[ruby dagger]

Jesus christ, Zeekerss

[trim breach]

looks good though

glad this is sorted

[daring steeple]

bounds usage?

[trim breach]

yes

i rewrote the logic behind the timer as well because it just did not seem to work how it should

but it was pretty simple overall

[radiant nymph]

I wonder if a patch could be added to restore showing the old map behavior and interior layouts if the new stuff isn't detected, RadarEdits works but it throws NullRefs and also enables the old radar on top of the new one which just looks weird

Like I don't like seeing the old ship stuff overlay over the new

It's a bit of a janky solution

[trim breach]

it would require too much investment and im not personally interested in it

[radiant nymph]

Fair enough

[trim breach]

so i will not be tackling this problem, sorry

[radiant nymph]

Yeah no worries

[trim breach]

it is definitely possible to rollback

radaredit should work (nullrefs can be straightened out)

problem then, at that point, would be editing all the tiles to hide all the new mapradar stuff

but that shouldn't be too difficult either, could be done fairly easily programmatically

[radiant nymph]

I mean I like the new radar, I just want the old map to show up essentially if no contours are discovered

same for the old interior layouts, they should appear if the stuff for the new behavior isn't found so you aren't looking at a void with custom interiors, cus some like Dantors may never get an update since he went MIA again after updating

[trim breach]

i think that it would be difficult to address all the edge cases

[radiant nymph]

Yeah probably

[trim breach]

okay

i think all of the big difficult fixes are done now

i have 2 or 3 really small ones to wrap up

i think update might finally be ready in a couple of hours

what worries me is that, at this point, i've made so many tiny changes i wouldnt be surprised if im overlooking something myself

that is the reason so much stuff broke in v70 in the first place

i assume

[daring steeple]

dunno if you saw the example i sent to zeekerss but in theory you shouldn't need a timer right? if you store the last tile containing a player per play you can just bounds check that before checking others

[trim breach]

but i will send it out into the world and see

[daring steeple]

in which 99% of the time the update call is just 1 bounds check which is fine

[trim breach]

i did see your example yeah, i just implemented it a different way already

in the future i might come back to it but at least on my machine i dont notice any hiccups while running multiple bounds checks

but it might be a problem on larger mineshafts

[trim breach]

still runs only 1 per frame

similar to the original setup

[daring steeple]

yeah overall bound checks are super cheap afaik so atp its just minmaxxing

[flat rune]

I can only do this step.

[radiant nymph]

;o

[trim breach]

looks nice

could still use a couple tweaks but that's a pretty good start

[radiant nymph]

Agreed

[trim breach]

i have one last fix to make

assuming my most recent one works as it should

just need to run a quick test with a locked door

[trim breach]

i think it's finally done

[trim breach]

at long last, i have just posted v1.14.0

this update was a pretty huge undertaking for me, and it's very likely i broke something

sorry in advance

worst case you just have to disable it for another couple hours until i straighten out any remaining issues, but i feel pretty good. should be alright outside of crazy mod conflicts

[trim breach]

• Playermodel patches are now enabled by default and can be disabled by a setting
  • In previous versions, these were automatically disabled when using ModelReplacementAPI.
  • I still recommend disabling these if you run into issues with that or similar mods
• Fixed clocks and candy being unable to spawn (and reducing total scrap counts)
• Fixed bonus spawn chance being applied to gift box instead of Zed Dog
• Fixed gift box contents not being properly randomized
• Fixed "No signal!" screen getting stuck and/or not appearing when it's supposed to
• Fixed performance issues when watching radar on March, Titan, and Embrion
• Fixed corpses created by Giant Sapsucker:
  • Fixed excessive error spam
  • Fixed broken "explosion" physics for body parts (splattery!)
  • Corpse now wears the correct suit
• Fixed dropped items not synchronizing their rotation for other players (most notable for radar booster "headcam")
• Dropped items now make noise alerts for all clients (fixes inconsistent detection behavior for some enemies)
• Fixed door unlock sound playing twice
• Fixed radar booster's giant blue circle on advertisement pop-up
• Fixed issue with grabbing items out of the microwave
• Electric chair now burns corpses
• LockInTerminal setting now applies to sofa chair

[livid plover]

What are the playermodel patches btw

[loud mist]

Does this fix the visible shadow?

The head that floats with your actual head

The one i brought up with you before

[trim breach]

yes

[trim breach]

correct suits on bodies

burns from explosions

badges on bodies

[quiet rune]

does it fix the screen freeze issue when using modelreplacementapi

[trim breach]

i doubt it

but you are free to try

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Will MaskFixes be fine to use as is for now? I noticed you didn't update it yet

[trim breach]

it should be "fine"

it is next on my list of updates

probably in a few hours, but for real this time

[radiant nymph]

Is there any of the patches that are no longer needed?

lol

[trim breach]

zeekerss fixed all the power level bugs

[radiant nymph]

Ahhh

[trim breach]

but he also broke the consistency patches i made

wearing a comedy mask turns it into a tragedy mask when it attaches to your face

and then spawns a comedy masked

[radiant nymph]

Yeah I saw someone bug reported that

[trim breach]

this also has the comedy's texture still so it looks really ugly

[radiant nymph]

ButteryBalance should work you said right? But you suggested disabling the TZP stuff cus that's gonna be pulled

I mean if it has the same issue ButteryFixes did with the shroud stuff then it won't but I don't think it patched that

lol

I'll probably just keep it off til you officially update it

[trim breach]

yes, it should work, just has some redundancy

i also became aware of an oversight where the moon kill switch doesn't actually disable the interior chance settings

[radiant nymph]

Lol oof

[trim breach]

so you need to hard toggle those for now

but the butterybalance update should be small and easy

mask fixes is just my current priority

my goal is for all of my mods that need updates to be updated before i go to bed tonight

we will see if i manage

[trim breach]

do not be surprised if butteryfixes is broken again in v71

lol

he fixed a couple of things that i fixed

probably wont update the mod for a short bit, been hanging out with friends tonight and taking a break

i'll get to it tomorrow

[teal flicker]

There's a new game update?

[trim breach]

yes, v71 bug fix patch

[teal flicker]

Ah

[trim breach]

the only one that really concerns me is the "signal lost" patch

depending on how he fixed it

my patch might break things really badly

or it might be unaffected

[teal flicker]

Also "a bit" being simply tomorrow is wild to me, Im always thinking of like a week or a few days when I read that

Actual speedrun Modder imo

[paper garden]

I like how he threw a random line of balance in it too

[trim breach]

his signal loss patch should work fine btw

so butteryfixes should be fine in v71

but i will still patch it to remove redundancy and simplify some stuff

[trim breach]

i actually had the update almost ready last night

but i decided to delay it in case zeekerss released a second v71 or a v72

since we informed him of a few bugs right after v71 dropped

looks like it didnt happen though

so i will finish this last feature of v1.14.1 and drop it

[quiet rune]

What feature is this?

[trim breach]

the line on the radar always points towards main entrance in vanilla

which means if you are at the bottom of the elevator and can't reach main

the path does really wonky things in vanilla

now it points to the bottom of the elevator when you are in the lower section of mineshaft

and switches back to main when you are at the top

[quiet rune]

what if its a stairwell that is another floor

[trim breach]

the path is calculated by navmesh so no matter where you are it should work

well, as long as you are in a spot where enemies are able to path

it's just that the elevator is a moving navmesh surface, and doesn't connect the top and bottom of the mineshaft

so when you are down below there is no way to find a valid path to entrance

here it is pointing me through a ramp

at the end of that ramp, it points back to main

well, elevator

clips taken moments before disaster (No signal1)

it can even route a path back through the caves, not that you'll be seeing it because of signal loss

lol

[brazen fulcrum]

Perfect

[trim breach]

kinda wanna fix this but it looks really weird from some angles

i guess we'll just say "the sheer force of the bird rips them off your suit"

[trim breach]

ok the small v1.14.1 patch is out

gonna get back to work on updating my other stuff

at this point it's maybe just butterybalance, chameleon, and restoremapper

left

[quiet rune]

whats not working in those mods

[trim breach]

butterybalance works fine but i made an oversight and the "kill switch" doesnt actually disable the interior chance setttings

also the tzp setting doesn't do anything anymore (since it was buffed in vanilla)

chameleon has some rendering issues and doesn't properly support all the new manor stuff

restoremapper needs a pretty big overhauling since he changed how the radar worked

[sweet frigate]

Could someone explain this droppler effect config in butteryfixes. Does anyone notice a audible change in the different options? I don't understand why this is an option and a bit confused

[opal cairn]

the doppler effect is when audio sounds wavy from movement

if you stand still to listen to the dropship music, it sounds normal

but if you move while listening, youll notice it sounds a bit off from when you were standing still, due to the players head moving

[sweet frigate]

So what's the default option do for doppler on butteryfixes do?

[loud mist]

this reminds me, did he fix the clipboard?

[ruby jay]

wait does zeekerss know about a majority of the bugs with the game? or do you only report very specific ones?

[opal cairn]

considering the fact he has not patched the bugged forest giant stealth meter the entire time the game has been released

[trim breach]

i post almost everything im aware of in his discord server

[opal cairn]

he definitely doesnt know every bug

[trim breach]

but we managed to catch him in the patreon channel right after v71 released

[ruby jay]

omg the forest giant is so cursed

[trim breach]

and immediately escalate the clock/candy bug and the gift box bug

so those are likely to be fixed in the next patch

[opal cairn]

forest giant stealth and old birds seeing you while crouched when theyre flying if you arent the host are my wish list bug fixes

[ruby jay]

oh wait is the discord patreon only?

[trim breach]

it would be nice for them to be fixed in basegame already but additional networking + buttery fixes resolves both of those issues

and im never gonna play without mods at this point

[trim breach]

the discord is not, but there is a patron exclusive channel

which he is somewhat more frequent in than the other channels

[ruby jay]

makes sense

[viral rock]

there's no thread for radaredits so I'll send this here. is this error can be ignored?
this is only radaredits mod installed

[small lichen]

[00:22:25.5904563] [Error : Unity Log] ArgumentException: Undefined target method for patch method static void ButteryFixes.Patches.Objects.ItemPatches::GiftBoxItem_Pre_Start(GiftBoxItem __instance, UnityEngine.Vector3& __state)
Stack trace:
HarmonyLib.PatchClassProcessor.PatchWithAttributes (System.Reflection.MethodBase& lastOriginal) (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0047)
HarmonyLib.PatchClassProcessor.Patch () (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_006A)
Rethrow as HarmonyException: Patching exception in method null
HarmonyLib.PatchClassProcessor.ReportException (System.Exception exception, System.Reflection.MethodBase original) (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_006C)
HarmonyLib.PatchClassProcessor.Patch () (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0095)
HarmonyLib.Harmony.<PatchAll>b__11_0 (System.Type type) (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0007)
HarmonyLib.CollectionExtensions.Do[T] (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] sequence, System.Action1[T] action) (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0014)
HarmonyLib.Harmony.PatchAll (System.Reflection.Assembly assembly) (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0006)
HarmonyLib.Harmony.PatchAll () (at <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_001B)
ButteryFixes.Plugin.Awake () (at <e04dd3f7ad5144e1aa88653a4b03d7ad>:IL_004C)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent(Type)
BepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader:DMDBepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader::Start()
UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipelineAsset:OnEnable()

Weird this is new

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach V72 just dropped

[trim breach]

yes

it looks like zeekerss did indeed patch the gift boxes

lol

i will work on v72 compat patch

i doubt it will take me very long

[opal cairn]

what other bugs were patched?

[trim breach]

• Fixed an issue where the clock and candy scrap were not spawning
• Fixed an issue where enemies could not navigate onto the bedroom bed or onto the car in the garage in mansion interiors.
• Fixed enemy interaction with the bathroom shower door in the mansion interior
• Fixed an issue where gift boxes were not spawning items randomly and would all contain the same item depending on the moon.
• Fixed the bird being able to instantly kill enemies rather than doing quick damage.
• Fixed errors regarding the body parts spawned by players who are killed by the Giant Sapsucker, which may have caused crashes.
• Fixed? a memory leak caused by the new directional compass on the HUD.

official notes

these are probably comprehensive

all of these were community bug reports

so i kinda doubt any secret changes happened

but i am going to do a code comparison and moon info dump, as i always do

and see

ok confirmed

radar booster is meant to see in the caverns

in the official patch he fixed the issue where it gets stuck if you switch from a player in caves -> radar booster

radar boosters can now never display the "no signal" screen

[trim breach]

the official patch still has the issue where switching from an indoor player -> outdoor player gets it stuck though

im pretty sure

though it does get unstuck in orbit, at least, now

[small lichen]

Hell Yeah! Some nice updates here!

Has this been pushed yet?

[thorn breach]

i cant tell if this is a changelog for butteryfixes or v72 lol

okay i just looked at steam, i forgor thats a place

i blame glitch, he threw me off

[small lichen]

Yeah I looked over to quickly and was told Buttery was releasing a patch. I thought this was his patchnotes not v72 lol

[trim breach]

yeah this is the v72 patch

the only thing causing crashes with butteryfixes is just because my gift box patch works on an old function that no longer exists

zeekerss' patch fixes the bug in the exact same way so i can just remove mine and it will stop crashing

[small lichen]

me waiting for that sweet sweet buttery update.

[thorn breach]

im hoping that whatever this HUD compass thing he fixed was the reason a lot of mods were breaking and mods dont need SoftMaskKiller anymore

[quiet rune]

Do you think his memory leak fixes the soft something bug?

[trim breach]

i have no idea

i never looked into that because it doesnt replicate at all for me

on my profiles

[thorn breach]

it replicates for very specific mods weirdly

yeah sadly it still happens

[trim breach]

but the patches being applied were to the compass and softmaskkiller in particular

narpy reported a potential memory leak to him in chat and he said he'd mess with it

but also said not to hold your breath on it being a perfect fix, since it's an external asset

im actually not sure what change he made

but i do know it's related to soft masking

whatever it was

[thorn breach]

yeah annoyingly that compass stuff's problems still happen

if you wanted to replicate it 100% i think any profile with EnemySkinRegistry does it

it replicates with JLL + fixplugintypes on smaller profiles(???) sometimes (???)

i really couldnt tell why it was happening so i just made a finalizer that nukes the component if it throws an exception on its OnEnable method

[opal cairn]

@trim breach apparently the update also made your doppler effect fix not work???

[trim breach]

v72 causes my mod to crash while it's patching stuff

so i would not be surprised if other stuff is not being applied

[opal cairn]

oh i see

[trim breach]

he removed one of the functions from the gift box that i was patching

which causes a hard error

it is an easy fix, i will get to it in just a couple of minutes

[radiant nymph]

@thorn breach I managed to get an IL

maybe that might help

[opal cairn]

ok well ill just enable generalimprovements fire exit fix then

for rn

[radiant nymph]

IL_003B

[thorn breach]

changes nothing

[radiant nymph]

Dang

Also @eternal thorn @trim breach Looks like the new patch fixes the physics errors

[trim breach]

yes the sapsucker shouldnt spam errors in vanilla anymore

but the new logic is also not exactly perfect

the gibs are launched at higher speed at lower framerates

[radiant nymph]

I know the MoreCompany fix has been a bit buggy and didn't always work

[trim breach]

the morecompany fix was actually for something separate (but very loosely related)

and that fix worked fine for what it set out to accomplish

i think modelreplacementAPI has the same issue caused by the same root change in vanilla, though, so if you use both you will still run into problems, as far as i understand

[opal cairn]

@trim breach this isnt important to report its just funny this happens due to the update

the burnt corpse breaks also

[trim breach]

lol

the burnt corpse effect is like

one of my favorite changes

this is basically gore of my comfort character

tldr

[opal cairn]

gore of gore

[trim breach]

this might have been incorrect actually

[trim breach]

@thorn breach i think i figured out what zeek did with the compass/softmask thing

and if im right

it really sucks

scanning doesn't seem to highlight the compass anymore

or nevermind

i guess something else i have is breaking that

i launched vanilla to check and it's just fine

so that's a mystery to solve now

[quartz ether]

he probably made a change in the softmask library

[trim breach]

yeah im not doing code diffs on anything except assembly-csharp

so i wouldnt know for sure if he did

he also might have touched something about how it's set up in the scene

i havent gotten a good rip of v7x yet

my v70 rip has a bunch of mismatched references and the v71 rip has completely broken shaders

[trim breach]

so i dont have a good way to check that

[quartz ether]

https://steamdb.info/depot/1966721/history/?changeid=M:3111888502250946094

hm looks like it's not code change

but scene change instead

[trim breach]

oh yeah good catch

didnt think to look there

[trim breach]

my bad, it is GoodItemScan

[loud mist]

Should i uninstall?

@trim breach So the shadow is fixed, but ModelReplacementAPI makes it reappear

[teal flicker]

How about you go look into MRAPI for us bunya always so busy seemingly

[sweet frigate]

Hey Buttery, I don't know if I'm allowed to make requests but it seems Butteryfixes is just a general fixes to LC mod but it seems vanilla LC has this bug I was wondering if you could patch. If you land on the same moon twice in vanilla LC, the green landscape will not appear on the radar/map screen. All you can see is your ship and black.

[trim breach]

yeah i can fix that

it was probably broken in the v71 hotfix he did to prevent lag

[trim breach]

im not interested in maintaining MRAPI, sorry

if someone else needs help diagnosing the error and is interesting in maintaining it themselves, maybe i could offer some assistance? but i'm not ready to commit to that sort of undertaking myself

[quiet rune]

@trim breach Does buttery fixes or chamelon need a update for the new v72?

[trim breach]

buttery fixes needed an update

i published it yesterday

chameleon has an update in progress

i have one more thing i need to check/do to make it compatible with v72's additions

and then im working on tweaks for a couple new additions

[teal flicker]

never meant as a permanent maintainer and more like fix the sapsucker error via a commit or whatever its called so we stop suffering atleast for now

i dont know coding or what it takes to fix this but you seem to know realy a ton about all this

[loud mist]

How about BetterEmotes? People are getting restless!!

[loud mist]

Did it get fixed?

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Any idea why this is spamming every frame on clients?

The enemy worked fine when we played today, but this is hella strange

[trim breach]

this function is ~350 lines of code

without more information i could not even begin to figure out what happened here