Mirage

[ionic shoal]

just gotta find the animations + controller from those folders

[deft cape]

ohhhhhhhhh so i dont even need to be using unity editor for this then eh

[ionic shoal]

you do, if you want to edit/fiddle with the animations

and make the bundle

[deft cape]

ah

[ionic shoal]

like i assume you plan to only use animations for holding items, and maybe using them

not all of the animations, so to cut down on bundle size, you could remove everything from the controller you dont need, and remove the extra animations.

[deft cape]

yeah i'll only grab the holding ones

since unlike LI i don't plan on changing the AI or anything

so no need to use items or anything

okk thanks for the hints :D

[ionic shoal]

np, when it comes to me adding stuff to LI,. i will be asking you for help back as i still dont have it 100% working, all i see is masked spawning with the player kneel animation xD but i was using the wrong controller anyway.

[eternal bridge]

https://tmp.esmbot.net/09payk8vr4tv.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241183245798998026/1356295751503974611/caption.gif

[deft cape]

so i see a HoldPatcherShockLeft and HoldPatcherShockRight, but what is this even for? 🤔

don't see anything from a quick google search (for a patcher item)

[ionic shoal]

Zapgun, when browsing the controller in unity look at the parameters, they are the triggers we use in code

[deft cape]

ohhh okok

[ionic shoal]

So it will be "HoldPatcherTool" for the zapgun

[oblique galleon]

yeah zapgun is just patcher tool internally

it patches bad mods like mirage into good mods trust

[deft cape]

that's some magic zeekers is doing 🔥

[grave vault]

hey wait

how feasible is it to add a jump animation to the mask then

[grave vault]

i presume thats used in controlling the zap gun when shooting right?

[deft cape]

doing anything more than jumping in place to look realistic would require changing the masked ai

so that's out of scope for mirage

[deft cape]

that's what i'm assuming

[grave vault]

a jump while in place would honestly be incredible tho right?

during the stop and stare function, a chance to jump?

idk if its easy to hook into a function with c# tho

[deft cape]

eh i don't want to patch the masked ai nor do i think it'd be able to fool people too well

[deft cape]

that's the easiest part of modding actually 😛

[grave vault]

no worries

[grave vault]

lmao, we thank unity

my experience is in LUA haha

[deft cape]

yeah unity with bepinex makes it super simple thankfully 😄

@ionic shoal lmao i ran into the same issue i had when i was running LI without your asset bundle before

all T-posing

guess i didn't do the asset bundle properly

[grave vault]

lol

btw, why dont you think it could fool people well

sry if its annoying to ask, i just like hearing your opinion and its great seeing someone like you around so much

[deft cape]

nah it's all good

personal opinion but i just think it sounds a bit obvious

although ofc staring is also pretty obvious

[grave vault]

yeah lol

[deft cape]

but for AI changes i'd recommend just using LI instead

[grave vault]

just thought itd be like that initial encounter "are you real

true

[ionic shoal]

check the controller file name, vs your code

and the bundle name

[deft cape]

cuz imo it's just not worth adding something that's basically just as obvious to me

[ionic shoal]

i had the same issues

[deft cape]

yeah that's what i'm looking at rn

[grave vault]

yee, i was thinking on a percentage cause of that

[deft cape]

i don't think i even set up my bundle properly anyways though

[grave vault]

but yee

[deft cape]

cuz my file is like 2kb lmao

[ionic shoal]

the controller will end in .controller

[grave vault]

this animation stuff your doing to make the scrap work is awesome

[ionic shoal]

the bundle may or may not, depending on how you named it

[deft cape]

just not worth adding imo

[grave vault]

love how you went from "hold scrap" to making it all seemless

[deft cape]

i would rather just get the current held items stuff fixed and then go back to doing work

[grave vault]

yeah no worries lol

yeah very true haha

what do you work as

[deft cape]

oh by work i meant school work

i'm not employed xd

[grave vault]

oh 🤣

wait how old are you, 19/20?

[oblique galleon]

An animation file only contains stuff like what gameobjects move in what ways so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a small bundle

It also contains anim events ig

[deft cape]

im old as shit actually 💀

[grave vault]

💀

[deft cape]

oh right, i forgot it doesn't make sense to compare to LI's bundle either since it contains extra stuff

[ionic shoal]

no way.

[ionic shoal]

yeah the bundle i made was like 300kb with just animations and controller.

[eternal bridge]

c'mon and give your pappy a big ol' hug!

[deft cape]

im in my mid 20s

never took education seriously before so i'm going back to do my undergrad soon

[deft cape]

huh 😭

[deft cape]

mine was with the metarig_0 controller and the held animations

while i was able to make the default masked animations work again, i definitely didn't setup the held item animations properly

so i'll have to figure that out later

it's definitely what u and xu said about uh

making the thingies link together

type shi

[eternal bridge]

that's what the masked is saying

he's got his arms out for a big bear hug

[deft cape]

oh 😂

[deft cape]

https://youtu.be/3nSjBAneKN4

accidentally made them start lifting instead 🤨

[cloud adder]

oh nah

the masks on the grind fr

it would be so funny if they start mimicking LethalHands behavior after this

[deft cape]

lmaoo

[eternal bridge]

"do you even lift bro" "YES!! 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥‼️💯💪💪💪🎭"

[ionic shoal]

looks like a loop xD

[deft cape]

yeah it's cuz i didn't setup the animation state machine properly

it kept going back from 1h animation to nothing

Mirage v1.23.1 is released:

• Fixed the broken held item positions (e.g. the engine item was too low).

Huge thanks to XuXiaolan and VirusTLNR for teaching me how to use the Unity editor to grab and extract the held item animations myself (I'm a complete noob at Unity). This update would not have been possible without their help.

Check out XuXiaolan's CodeRebirth 2 and VirusTLNR's LethalIntelligence!

@oblique galleon @ionic shoal thx fr for all the help 🥺

[oblique galleon]

noice

[grave vault]

sorry to annoy you
@deft cape
I believe thats a typo?
when LI is installed
or
with LI
otherwise its grammaticlly a little off

[deft cape]

oh whoops

yeah i meant to say when LI is installed 😂

[grave vault]

lmao thought tho

gonna KMS i made a typo while correcting a typo

i am the epitome of reddit mod

[deft cape]

i didnt even notice ngl LMAO

[grave vault]

same for yours, that was my third time reading it to notice

[deft cape]

i never once noticed it either 💀

[grand herald]

is this a april fools virus or

[vast canyon]

😼 👅

[deft cape]

type shiiii

i forgot to address this, whoops. will have to do this in like a couple weeks cuz my break is over but i'll definitely get to this at one point

ok wait what should the behaviour even be? i was thinking of simply hiding the reservedflashlightslot flashlight by default and only show it when mirage successfully rolls to hold a flashlight item, but since it's a separate slot it probably makes sense to sometimes have that flashlight while holding another item (like it already is)

[quick remnant]

tysm! Also I'm just testing the new update rn and spawned a few masked and got a new error lol

[deft cape]

oh wtf

i hope it's not too game breaking

wont have too much time to test tomorrow 😅

idk how i missed that when i was spawning hundreds of masked earlier

[quick remnant]

seems to be ok, I think. Still spamming the log despite the masked all being dead now though

also this guy spawned with a knife (from buyable knives I think) and his animation was acting like he didn't have one

but the shovel guys looked perfect

[deft cape]

like as if it's a 1 hander?

[deft cape]

yikes

im not sure if i dragged something in from unity editor by accident that's causing the player animations thing

[quick remnant]

no sorry like as if he's not holding anything

but in his hand (well, next to his hand not perfectly in it) he did have a knife

so it just didn't register the animation properly or something

[deft cape]

ah

i'll write that down to fix

that's probably gonna be lower priority for me

[quick remnant]

npnp

Trying to figure out some patterns for the other error atm

I was going to say it happened with all the masked, and seemed to persist until I deleted their bodies with imperium

[deft cape]

gonna try and do a quick test rn

[quick remnant]

But I just spawned one that isn't giving the error but he did try to spawn with a phone from the looks of this error

[deft cape]

oh yeah that's just the same error that'll be fixed when scoops updates lethalphones with a new version of mirage

wait for the reservedflashlightslots

what do u think i should do for that cuz i just wanna write it down b4 i forget

[quick remnant]

yeye lemme think

[grave vault]

wdym what you should do

[deft cape]

cuz the current flashlight config wouldn't make too much sense anyways

[quick remnant]

Well the way it works atm it only gives them a reservedflashlight if the player they're mimicking has one

[grave vault]

same as reserved walkie right?

yh

[deft cape]

ah damn another thing to account for eh

tbh it might make more sense for it to be configurable on their end

[quick remnant]

So as far as them having flashlights, I think that's fine. The best thing possible imo (but maybe harder to implement) would be a chance for them to turn their light on/off and then have that be configurable. Sort of like the min/max amount of times in mirage/phones between a masked making a call to a player

[deft cape]

yeah for that i think i'm gonna pass on for now since i just wanna keep it simple

like for turning it on/off i mean

[quick remnant]

Or simpler and the current way the other lights work is just a chance they spawn with it on or off

Could also make it so they always have them on while inside and off while outside, idk how annoying that is to do. But that would be more convincing and still simple than masked walking around in the dark with no light on or outside with a light on

[grave vault]

yeah

i like the flash being turned off on a timer like the voice lines

[quick remnant]

ofc that would be best, but qwbarch is goin for somethin a lil simpler rn

[grave vault]

yeah of course

just noting it while on the topic

[quick remnant]

so yeah I think this is best for simple

[grave vault]

how it is atm right? i liek that

[quick remnant]

bc otherwise it's a whatever percent chance the masked gives it away by walking around with a light on or off in the wrong context

[deft cape]

that's what i was thinking of b4

[quick remnant]

Thats how it works now for normal flashlights but with reservedflashlightslot the masked always have them on

[grave vault]

ah ok

[deft cape]

do u happen to have a github acc cuz it'd be easier to just write down those ideas there actually

i might do the interval thing but idk yet

i'll think about it way later when i have the time

[quick remnant]

I don't 😭

[deft cape]

all good i'll just write it down

[grave vault]

i could, but i rarely open it lol

[quick remnant]

Here I'll summarize em here so you can just copy if that helps

[grave vault]

where on github would you want it

[deft cape]

nah it's fine im already typing it up, thx tho

https://github.com/qwbarch/mirage/issues/163

what i got so far

idk if im missing anything

[quick remnant]

compat with reservedflashlightslots (if possible on your end)

[deft cape]

would need to elaborate a bit on compat cuz im not even really sure what to do

since it technically works fine rn since it's a separate slots anyways

[quick remnant]

Well its just with that mod it makes them hold a separate flashlight if they spawn with a mirage flashlight

Even without compat being fixed (but especially if it was) I would recommend to anyone wanting to play with mirage and wanting more convincing imposters to use RFS and I'm actually annoyed at myself for waiting so long to use it lol

[deft cape]

couldn't u set the flashlight to a weight of 0? or are u thinking more of a % chance for the reserved flashlight to be on the masked enemy

if it's the latter then IMO it makes more sense for the reserveditemslots author to do

i'm not saying i won't do compat btw, just trying to figure out what a proper way of doing it is

[quick remnant]

nah nah - to be clear: All I'd want is either mirage to be able to turn the RFS on/off either via intervals or depending on masked being inside/outside

the way it works for determining whether or not to give them a RFS flashlight is fine bc they won't if the target doesn't have one or is dead

[deft cape]

ah so it's basically everything on the TODO list i posted then

[quick remnant]

ye, just applying it to that flashlight slot too

[deft cape]

well the first point rather

aightt

so in that case

i'll just make it so that if RFS is found

flashlight weights will always be 0 so it'll only ever use RFS flashlights

and then the configurable on/off stuff will work on RFS instead

[quick remnant]

Like I said idk if you use it when you play - if you get time to play with your own mod lol - but I recommend it, espec with this new item update

[deft cape]

i haven't played LC beyond testing mirage for over half a year now 😂

but if i do play again i'll definitely try it out

only never used it before because we wanted to stick with zeeker's balancing of item slots

[quick remnant]

That's fair, that was actually the main reason I held out for so long. I used the extraslots to get 5 slots, but then I wasn't sure to add ANOTHER (tbf only flashlight) slot, or remove a slot, or what

After trying it with 5 free slots + RFS it's actually been fine. Probably wouldn't be if my players were better LOL but the weight mechanic actually balances it out well

and makes people actually bring items like lockpickers

[deft cape]

i certainly wouldn't be against it anymore since i'd actually be able to hold flashlights again

in all my last runs i stopped using flashlights so i can get into the dungeon faster and hold more items

[quick remnant]

Ye that's sort of the logical conclusion of the zeekers slots. I also added true darkness to make that harder to do.
Since adding RFS multiple times I've walked right past or through emptyhanded people on my team who weren't talking and were just wandering around, and a second later realized they could have easily been a masked and I wouldn't have known.

Hey btw do the items the masked hold - are those items that can spawn in the level, or ones that have spawned in the level?

[deft cape]

i love true darkness so much

makes flashlights actually valuable

too bad for me that my friends absolutely hate it

to the point that they didn't wanna play if i kept true darkness in

😭

[quick remnant]

Did you try the ping light mod? I forgor what its called

[deft cape]

for non-store items it's scrap only that's spawned on the level, using the weights that's defined in the game

[deft cape]

doubt it'd be something i'd like tbh, im a fan of true darkness + flashlight

[quick remnant]

that was my compromise, lets you walk around in the dark with light every second or so. does that horror movie "scary monster appears in flash of lightning" effect when you do run in to something

[deft cape]

ohhh that sounds kinda fun actually 👀

would have to see what that's like

[quick remnant]

second screenshot was a lil brighter bc a masked came up and shone a flashlight down the hall lmao

I use betterscanvision and scanrecolor, and you can adjust how much and far it lights stuff up, it's very cool! The only thing is I was hoping to allow people to customize their own light colors but the config uses the hosts config

Ah the shotgun animation works! Someone on our team typically carries one if possible, so this is huge for us tysm!!!!!
I noticed I can scan it while the masked holds it, and it went off after the masked was dead. I wonder if it could go off randomly while they hold it? That would easily be the funniest/most unlucky way to die lmao

Someone would just think their teammate murdered them

So yes just the knife animation for whatever reason isn't registering. everything else looks great!

[cloud adder]

human... glint

[lyric kestrel]

Suggestion: V69.69.69 @deft cape will mimic your friend's sound using his own voice. He'll watch your game the whole time and mimic it in real time.

[ionic shoal]

that error does nothing @deft cape aside from spam the shit out of the console, this is the error i mentioned before, animations need editing to remove a player event which doesnt exist for the masked, it should be in the 1 handed items animation.. but perhaps we should have a call and you show me your screen regarding the animations so i can point it out. i had to fix it for LI way back when.

[ionic shoal]

oh maybe then "FakeJump" in my bundle didnt need editing, maybe i just needed to modify the statemachine xD shrug

[ionic shoal]

same situation for me, although, i have to say, the "true darkness" seems to have an added effect i dont like from what ive seen (like, literally instantly outside of the beam of light, its darker than it should be. i tried configuring it to various levels, and it always looked weird xD

[stray osprey]

sorry for the ping, was the lethalphones issue resolved?? I didn't have time to try

[oblique galleon]

It would be on lethal phones end no mirages end

[stray osprey]

aah alright

[deft cape]

the shotgun was scannablr while alive? that's the opposite of the intended behavior 😔

[deft cape]

ohhh shit yeah I'm down for a call sometime, when are you free?

[oblique galleon]

on your animatoin timeline

you'll see bars that indicate animation events

u just gotta get rid of em

by pressing em then pressing delete key

[deft cape]

oh that's it? nice tyty 😂

[oblique galleon]

that little blue rectnagle

in the center

yeah

[deft cape]

saving my ass hella hard again

[oblique galleon]

lol

i think unity gets it via reflection which is why it'd error if it doesnt exist

[deft cape]

yeahh makes sense

[ionic shoal]

yeah id dint know that easy way to remove them... xD i only new to look through the text of the controller to find it.

and i only vaguely remember what i was looking for too, just knew it was an event.

[quick remnant]

yep though it was the buyable shotgun store item ver, so maybe that makes it different, espec since I have some kinda scannable scrap mod I think

forgor to check if other items do that.... btw tools almost all have scrap values, which is fine. just wanted to mention it!

[quick remnant]

Ok I just checked it again and a shotgun masked wasn't scannable. The knife wielding one had a scannable knife, though the animation on that is borked still ofc so idk if the game even really considers him holding that

[deft cape]

hmm that's weird, I double checked my code and it tries to disable the scanner before equipping the item

whether it's a store item or not

[deft cape]

oh right normally we can't sell it right

I'm assuming all store items should have a value of 0?

[quick remnant]

a lot of them have either a low value (>5), shovels have 1 for some reason. Again to reiterate in the test I did earlier only the knife (bugged anim) was scannable in their hand. I assume the phone thing might have been messing with it before.

Some store items had no value also (as they should)

Not a biggie tho. All I'm hoping for now is the knife anim to be fixed and then that RFS config whenever you have time

[deft cape]

ah gotcha i'll write that down to fix it later. seems very low priority to fix so i might just fix this part in like a couple weeks

[onyx summit]

So far clients are not seeing the items in the mimics hands.

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
PlayerAnimationEvents.UnlockArmsFromCamera () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0000)

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
PlayerAnimationEvents.UnlockArmsFromCamera () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0000)

This spams when a mimic is present

[onyx summit]

Can confirm the newest update causes clients to not see items but reverting it back seemed to fix it.

[deft cape]

damn i only tested multi clients b4 the latest client so i missed that

will push an update soon-ish

[cloud adder]

oh yeah just got that too

[deft cape]

yeah it's the thing that xu mentioned how to fix

gonna work on it now

[deft cape]

something seems to be wrong with my install right now

i thought i broke yet another thing on mirage

since for me masked aren't really able to move on the clients

but this is happening on a clean profile for me

items are being held on clients now as expected with the player events error gone

so i'm just going to push an experimental build and wait for feedback before pushing it to live

since i can't properly test it myself

[deft cape]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/qwbarch/MirageExperimental/

alright i've pushed an update on experimental for now

like i said i couldn't test it properly since it lags on my non-host clients even on new profiles

so i'm assuming it should work fine

(ignore the fact that the experimental build is deprecated, i'm leaving it marked as that to hide it from thunderstore's search)

[solemn ridge]

I mean if it's a fix Xu told you to do generally it should have been safe to push live to Stable

Xu's a good coder

[deft cape]

the clients not holding their items was actually a different issue

that's what took me a bit to fix

but bcuz i can't test it myself i'm just not sure if it properly works

[cloud adder]

i'll try it

its just a fix for the nullref earlier rightr

[deft cape]

tyty

well that + fixing the client side not working

[cloud adder]

ok so

i didnt do testing on client side fix

but it is no longer spamming nullrefs

i was worried that the masks werent spawning with items at all since i went to a moon with them 3 times and didn't see them holding any

but on the 4th time i did find one holding a 1 hander

[deft cape]

I hope that was just rng choosing to not hold an item 🤔

[cloud adder]

i think it was

my config has the chance lower than default

[deft cape]

nice don't have to worry about that then 😂

[cloud adder]

i could try to do a lan test for client with mirage experimental

[onyx summit]

running a quick test with a network client.

[onyx summit]

Sometimes lan doesnt always reproduce the issues.

[cloud adder]

well i don't really have anyone i could ask to test mods on a networked client

[onyx summit]

@deft cape just did a quick test and it is working 😄

[cloud adder]

finished lan test, clients can see held items and are synced, any weird stuff with them moving is just lan i guess

[onyx summit]

Was just saying that sometimes Lan testing doesn't always reproduce issues cause sometimes it can be related to networking bs.

But it worked great in both your Lan test and my network test and @deft cape Screw you for making this mod even more scary lol it got me good tonight on a couple occasions.

[cloud adder]

real

last time we used this mod in a session the item chance was too low so nobody saw it

but next time i imagine it'll trick some people

[onyx summit]

I had it cranked up lol

[cloud adder]

yeah i turned the chance of them spawning with something down

but i probably did it too much

[deft cape]

send me some clips 😳

@cloud adder @onyx summit thanks for helping testing :D

gonna push it to stable now

really weird how my lan test was so bugged even on a clean profile but it is what it is

[cloud adder]

lan test is funky

my lan host was using over 2gb more ram than the pack usually uses

[deft cape]

wtf

im just gonna push anyways and pray it's fine based on glitch's test

time to see if i wake up to blowing up people's modpacks i guess

[hidden reef]

Is 3% like super common or smth?

I have it set to that and there's 1 or multiple masks spawning every moon 😭

[copper valve]

set what

[hidden reef]

The spawn chance for masks

?

[copper valve]

somehow i remember it being a multiplier thats why i was confused

i have it set to 1,3 after tinkering with it a bit

[hidden reef]

I thought it was a % chance?

Alright

[copper valve]

ye maybe i just misremember it

[hidden reef]

Though I do see a notification saying that the mask weight is over 100 in the logs so maybe it is?

Strange stuff

[onyx summit]

My test was just a quick simple test to see if a client could see the weapons. Overall it felt fine. If there are any more issues let me know and when I have the time I'll run some more in depth testing.

Literally had a moment where I knew a player died then a couple minutes later (cause of night of the living mimic) they got up and I walked past them and thought nothing of it cause of their item....well once I realized I walked into a dead end it click that I remember they died and turned around and there he was still with an item 😆

[deft cape]

lmao gotta love those moments

all good with further testing though, if there are any issues i'm sure people will report them from their playthroughs

thanks again for the test :D

[deft cape]

it's relatively common

the percent chance is run a lot of times throughout a day

if you've ever used Lethal Quantities and seen the percentage chance there

it's pretty much that

which is why i have it at 0.5% by default rn to make it not as common as it used to be

also to correct u guys, it's not a multiplier

i may just change this to being weights instead cuz it seems to be confusing a ton of ppl

[hidden reef]

What's a % that makes it spawn not every day but like once a quota

Normally at least

[deft cape]

idk i haven't played much since the time i implemented that feature

i'd try leaving it at the default

if it's too high then try lowering it

like if the default (0.5%) is too high maybe 0.1% would work

[hidden reef]

Alright

Well I gotta figure out which mod is making masks be over 100 weight than

Cuz if it's just a % than that shouldn't be happening

[deft cape]

it's mirage lol

it can be depending on what your other monsters are

1% is really high for calculating weights

like i said just try the default percentage

and if it's too high then lower it to 0.1%

and if that's still to high you can keep lowering it

[hidden reef]

That's

Yeah no switch it to weights

That's dumb

[deft cape]

there's a reason i picked that

i wanted an equal percentage on every moon

because i want to see masked at an equal percent every encounter

[hidden reef]

I mean

[deft cape]

so no it's not dumb :)

[hidden reef]

So

If it's put to 1%

Is it a 1%?

Or is it

More

[deft cape]

it's 1% every time the game tries to spawn an enemy

and because it does it so often

1% is a very high chance to spawn

[hidden reef]

Ok but like

In adamance that's only like a 39% chance at most (I put the chance to 3%)

If I remember adamance having 13 indoor power

And yet I was still seeing 1 or even 2 masks every day

[deft cape]

if you wanna understand how it works just download LethalQuantities

when you set a weight it shows its percentage

i calculate the weight based off the input percentage instead

[hidden reef]

Alright

I'll just set it to the default value

Lol

[quick remnant]

Personally I like the maskedenemyoverhaulfork setting that sets it to the bracken spawnrate

Otherwise masked are usually too rare or too common

[ionic shoal]

The bracken spawn weight is still just a weight. But if you mean because it changes across moons, that's fair.
Personally I found setting as 2% meant sometimes it was masked masked masked, and other times it was no masked.

But, you could just disable mirage spawning and use vanilla weights, then configure the weights in LLL config for a similar level of randomness.

Using the bracken spawn weight imho means if your likely to get a bracken, your likely to get a masked, I personally rather they aren't bosom buddies and in some cases. 0% chance of a bracken with a high chance of a masked, and vice versa.

[grave vault]

I feel like the best solution is setting the weight or percentage for all planets and having you be able to override that in LLL, if you want to be planet precise use LLL, otherwise set a simple single value for every planet

[ionic shoal]

mirage already does the "every planet" option, i just dont know if the LLL config overrides xD

[grave vault]

Yh mirage does it % based on every planet

Tho idk if percentage makes all that much sense when everything else is by weight

[ionic shoal]

barch already clarified they changed the percent to a weight in code.

i am guessing this means on every moon, there is a that percent chance of a masked spawning, so the weight changes depending on the moon, to always be X% of the weight.

[grave vault]

Yeah that’s what I image % means and if he’s said that I believe it

Most logical option

Hopefully LLL is set based on that and can override it?

[ionic shoal]

i assume its the other way around, LLL values are read, then modified.

[grave vault]

Ah

[deft cape]

exactly this

[deft cape]

also yeah mirage's hook runs after LLL on purpose to override it

if one wants to use LLL to set the weights they'd have to disable spawn control on mirage

[grave vault]

Thank you

[quick remnant]

Ye the sort of dynamicism between moons has been why I prefer it. If I had sufficient experience on all the moons I have installed and a lot of time to ponder setting the weight manuallywould be better.

Brackens are set decently rarely on most modded moons, suiting masked. and idk how it works exactly but making them share the weight has been fine since bracks are set to only spawn one and (I think?) then there's less of each.

More flat rates of modded creatures like 096 have given me more trouble where they're either too rare or too common 😔

Oh also zombie apocalypse mode is epic

[quick remnant]

Did the latest update fix the knife animation thing if anyone knows? No biggie if it didn't I'm just wondering if I should make a note to turn off knives in my config. I won't be able to actually check for a few days.

[ionic shoal]

maybe what would be nice.. is a "force item to spawn" option, for testing to see if an item looks wrong, cause i would say "use imperium to spawn masked until you get the item you want to see" but that could take years lol.

[deft cape]

i forgot about that whoops

[deft cape]

to be fair once i fix the knife thing it probably won't ever be needed so im just gonna avoid clogging the config for it

also just pushed an update to hotfix the potential conflict with LI

oh yeah i'll try and add the reservedflashlights fix sometime if i can, but for all the other planned changes i'm probably not leave it as is for awhile

[ionic shoal]

thats fair 🙂

[drowsy rapids]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JS03/PySpeech/

Dunno if this is of any use to yall but I know you guys wanted to use whisper in the past

[deft cape]

oh v2 is already dropped due to time constraints

[cold quiver]

Is it possible to make the voices pitch go higher or lower depending on the monster, like the other voice mod did?

[deft cape]

wouldn't be part of mirage itself

not planned to have a feature like that

[tall adder]

@deft cape Mirage.Core got rejected and I reinstated it for you

wait are there two of you?

[deft cape]

uhh u mean for discord users? it's just me

[deft cape]

tyty that was fast

[tall adder]

Okay nevermind, discord wasn't loading your profile and I thought it pinged the wrong person

I'm assuming you didn't upload a virus cuz its u but it would help to know which of the 5 assemblies is the one downloading things so I could actually review it

[deft cape]

only change is that i added Mirage.Core.Plugin.dll

[deft cape]

oh i shouldn't have an assembly that downloads things im pretty sure 🤔

[tall adder]

It might be a method you don't use in one of the system or FSharp dependencies you include

[deft cape]

fsharp deps shouldn't be downloading anything

i highly doubt System.Threading.Channels.dll would either

[tall adder]

Could be a false positive

It happens

[deft cape]

yeah i'd be surprised if it's actually downloading anything

[tall adder]

Okay, yea, its FSharp.Core and some compiler generated stuff

👍🏽

anyway my groceries just got delivered, waah

[deft cape]

wait it actually downloads stuff? im surprised

[tall adder]

It has a few methods that could download stuff that is like

internal sealed class WebClient-Download@2354-1 : FSharpFunc<Unit, Unit>

internal sealed class downloadAsync@2334<T, a, b, c, d> : FSharpFunc<Tuple<FSharpFunc<d, Unit>, FSharpFunc<Exception, Unit>, FSharpFunc<OperationCanceledException, Unit>>, Unit> where T : Delegate where c : AsyncCompletedEventArgs

And all of them have compiler generated attribs

I'm legit not really sure what all the methods in this block are doing but its not your code

[deft cape]

interesting

[deft cape]

Mirage v1.25.1 is released:

• Optimized startup time

[solemn ridge]

Ooh

I'm all for even faster boot times

[cloud adder]

How'd you manage lower load times?

[solemn ridge]

Mostly cosmetic mods

If cosmetics aren't in a merged bundle they add the most to load times

Thus these updates

For example

[deft cape]

so the main startup bottleneck seemed to be with with BepInEx loading my dependencies on the main thread (pretty sure it was FSharpCore being huge that was causing the slowdown).
the fix was pretty simple: i made another dll (in c# so that bepinex doesn't try to load FSharpCore on the main thread), load my dependencies on a different thread, and then run mirage

[deft cape]

it's an update ive been wanting to do for quite some time, finally had some time to do it today

[cloud adder]

oh nice

[solemn ridge]

👀

Peak

[eternal glen]

Hey, with the past few updates I've been getting this error in the logs a lot while playing and haven't noticed any voicelines coming from enemies:

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Mirage.Domain.Config.getConfig () (at ./Mirage/Domain/Config.fs:387)
Mirage.Unity.MimicPlayer+MimicPlayer.StartMimicking () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MimicPlayer.fs:61)
Mirage.Unity.MimicPlayer+MimicPlayer.Start () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MimicPlayer.fs:56)```

[solemn ridge]

It's been fine for me I suspect some mod conflict somewhere

[eternal glen]

is there a better method to narrow down the cause than a binary mod search?

the only mod listed in the error is Mirage 😦

[solemn ridge]

I mean it sounds like you need to regen your configs

it's failing to intialize them

Looking at that error

[eternal glen]

hmm okay. Is that as simple as deleting the configs and allowing them to generate fresh

[solemn ridge]

Yeah

[eternal glen]

I will attempt this tomorrow and report back ty for the help

[solemn ridge]

Yeah hopefully it helps, otherwise something is preventing the config from initializing which would be weird. My best guess is one of the configs corrupted

[deft cape]

hmmm it seems like a mod conflict like lunxara said, rather than needing to regen your config

my guess is that another mod errored during a patch that mirage uses to initialize the config

i'd need your full log to confirm though

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I was gonna guess mod conflict or config corruption

[neat tusk]

Hey, sorry if this was asked before but have you guys had an issue where the enemies only mimic the host of the lobby?

[solemn ridge]

Nope I've not had this

If it's happening now maybe it's an issue with the new update

[neat tusk]

As far as I remember, it has been happening since I installed the mod, which was like few months ago but I haven't really noticed it until recently

[solemn ridge]

Sounds like a mod conflict of some sort

[neat tusk]

The mod works perfectly on my end, everyone can hear the masked and other monsters talking in my voice, but it never works with others

[solemn ridge]

I know but it shouldn't only spawn a host masked

I've played with the mod for tons and tons of hours and never seen that

I would imagine you got some other mod that touches masked lol

[neat tusk]

If it comes to masked specifically, then not... really? I mean I guess it has to be something, if its not working

[neat tusk]

Actually, @solemn ridge would you mind sending me your mod profile? Since yours works, I could compare it to mine to narrow down the list of possible conflicting mods (oh and its okay if you don't want to haha)

[solemn ridge]

0196183b-7779-4597-2ca0-9bd67feae9df most recent code I posted in my server since I'm not on my PC atm

[neat tusk]

Thanks!

[neat tusk]

Well, me and my friend decided to check the issue and the results were weird. It went sort of this way:

• We encounter the masked > if the masked resembles the host > everyone can hear the mimicked voice.
• If the masked resembles a non-host > nobody can hear anything.
• If the masked grabs the host > the host is killed and replaced with its own masked.
• If the masked attempts to grab the non-host > the entity phases into the non-host and tries to grab them, repeating the cycle.
  Also here are the warnings that pop up from the non-host side when colliding with the masked:

Here's the kicker tho, it happened on **both **my mod profile with other mods and on a separate one with only Mirage and its dependencies (we also used Imperium as a debug mod)

[solemn ridge]

Odd lol

[ionic shoal]

invalid layer index -1 is an issue ive seen before.

i d k what causes it though.. did this happen with Lunxara's modpack @neat tusk ?

oh wait, you said, my bad... oh wait, you didnt say it occurs with Lunxara's profile.

when you can, can you share with me the profile with just mirage+dependencies?

i think the issue relates to the masked being modified in some way before mirage adds its stuff, if i remember correctly from reading in this thread.

[neat tusk]

I haven't tested Lunxara's modpack so I'm not sure if it happens there too (I hope not)

[neat tusk]

And here the code: 0196212d-8659-d96c-5744-b4216c872680
it should have mirage, imperium and their dependencies, as well as morecompany so me and my friend could discern eachothers' masked versions

[ionic shoal]

could just use imperium to give you money and buy an ingame suit.

[neat tusk]

I... didn't think of that 💀

[ionic shoal]

i mean, if it doesnt happen in lunxara's, then its a "your profiles" issue? if it DOES, but doesnt happen for lunxaras group, then it suggests its a you issue, but ithink its more likely the profile, but i d k why, let me check it

with your profile, i spawned 2 masked, one client, one host, both spawned normally, no errors

your using thunderstore to install? or manual installation?

[neat tusk]

I used thunderstore to install

[ionic shoal]

which MM?

i mean TS, or R2 or Gale?

[neat tusk]

TS

[ionic shoal]

ok, my whole group dont touch TS MM anymore.. the reason is... it sometimes fails to download stuff when the profile code is shared.. being honest, try gale.

before you do though

can you share the full log file?

because im betting that will confirm something missing is the issue.

[neat tusk]

I'd love to but I'm not sure how to do that

• I'd have to contact my friend for their logs as well, I'm guessing

[ionic shoal]

in the bepinex folder will be a log file

well, yeah, if you made the profile, and shared it with them, but i am guessing that log came from your machine. (The pictures above)

so you could try running a lan game, and playing 2 clients.. and see if you still get the issue, then you know its your friends profile not downloaded properly maybe?..

or you could just double check with them they have all files..

actually, are you available rn?

[neat tusk]

Yeah I should be

[ionic shoal]

ok, ill create a lobby which you can join, one sec

[neat tusk]

alright

[ionic shoal]

made it public, called it "mirtest"

barch, looks normal to me but skelaah is seeing no costumes

[neat tusk]

miragetest is the name

[ionic shoal]

you set to public?, i dont see it xD

found it

oh, error occured

[neat tusk]

uhh try again now

[ionic shoal]

Bug so crazy it killed discord on my pc, lmfao

[neat tusk]

omg same here lmao

[ionic shoal]

But yeah it's not a download issue, client side can't see suits or cosmetics, so something broken client side I think

Will look at log (and post it) once my discord works again.

This is the 3 main errors, first one happened as host/starting the games other 2 as client, the last one spammed repeatedly, perhaps with other errors... Will share log when discord works again but may have to trim it because it spammed 300k lines or something.

[ionic shoal]

Apparently "starting a new session" is failing on discord end, but it doesn't explain us both getting booted out of discord at the same time though lol

[neat tusk]

I think its a server issue since everyone on my end got booted as well

[ionic shoal]

Only other mirage related message is the already shared one about layer -1. (The warning)

[ionic shoal]

Yeah it's discord at fault, but doesn't explain why we got booted out.

Oh it's back

For me

full log.

line 6300ish is when i stopped being host, and started being client.

[solemn ridge]

My group and I all use Gale btw since I saw you said it's probably cus of the mod manager

[cloud adder]

It's not a mod manager thing

I use r2 and don't have this problem

[solemn ridge]

I'm not the one having the issue

Skelaah is and they use Thunderstore Mod Manager

[cloud adder]

R2 and TSMM are the same

It's not a mod manager issue

[solemn ridge]

Not completely

TSMM updates a bit more frequently, has ads built in and is notoriously a bit more buggy than R2 the base they use is the same though

[cloud adder]

Ok

But they are close enough that mod imports are not gonna be different between the two

[ionic shoal]

i dont think this is a MM issue, its a client side issue, i use gale, i got the issue.

but uh yeah, afaik..

Gale uses "version 1" which works fine for downloading mods?
TS and R2 use "version 2", which, whenever that came out, i started getting issues, not saying its worse, just saying had issues with TSMM, and since i switched to gale, everyone downloading mods and having issues (like sharing profile codes with them and them having issues) always got resolved by switching to gale.

but yeah, the issue mentioned on the profile linked above.. happens client side. i didnt check if it happens on other profiles... or on my own, but it certainly happened when trying with skelaah.

just did another test on my own... but these were on the host.. x.x (on lan, and client had no errors)

so yeah, i d k whats going on, hopefully this info helps barch make a fix though (if one is needed and things arent doolally xD)

[deft cape]

the audio only working on hosts was something that's been plaguing some users for awhile, although only ever reported on github up until now

i thought i fixed it but i guess not

@neat tusk just double checking, you have the latest version of mirage right

can you also send your config over? i just wanna see something

[solemn ridge]

It's never been an issue for me

Which is really strange

[deft cape]

me neither

i've never been able to replicate it so it's really hard to fix

[deft cape]

ah wait so it errored on the host too

were you hosting with skelaah's modpack?

wondering if this is a mod conflict

[neat tusk]

I'm using v1.25.1 on both modpacks

Also which config file should I send? General, Enemies, all of them?

[ionic shoal]

the modpack only had mirage installed afaik, and more company, and config (for items at least) looked default

[deft cape]

wait was it default configs?

[deft cape]

interesting...

[neat tusk]

Yup

[deft cape]

@ionic shoal I'm surprised u were able to replicate it when u normally don't have issues

[deft cape]

ah gotcha

thought I had an idea of what to fix but nvm

now I'm just confused again 😂

[neat tusk]

Interestingly though, I've verified the integrity of LC and some files were missing

[ionic shoal]

i havent played since sunday, new version? also, i play with LI, which maybe leads to your code disabling the problematic part?

i will do a test shortly, with and without LI, see if thats why i dont normally see the issue

[deft cape]

what the...

[ionic shoal]

i should add.. in my LAN game, pretty sure everything was normal (with suits), juust the errors in the log.

[deft cape]

oh like it had the same errors although it still worked?

hmmm

[ionic shoal]

i think so, ill double check

[deft cape]

gotcha

thx for the help again 🥺

[ionic shoal]

ok, same profile, no LI, only one error on one of the clients (i think the host?)

[Error  : Unity Log] KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
Stack trace:
Microsoft.FSharp.Collections.MapTreeModule.throwKeyNotFound[a] () (at D:/a/_work/1/s/src/FSharp.Core/map.fs:181)
Microsoft.FSharp.Collections.MapTreeModule.find[TKey,TValue] (System.Collections.Generic.IComparer`1[T] comparer, TKey k, Microsoft.FSharp.Collections.MapTree`2[TKey,TValue] m) (at D:/a/_work/1/s/src/FSharp.Core/map.fs:190)
Microsoft.FSharp.Collections.MapModule.Find[TKey,T] (TKey key, Microsoft.FSharp.Collections.FSharpMap`2[TKey,TValue] table) (at D:/a/_work/1/s/src/FSharp.Core/map.fs:1172)
Mirage.Unity.MaskedAnimator+MaskedAnimator.chooseItem () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MaskedAnimator.fs:81)
Mirage.Unity.MaskedAnimator+MaskedAnimator.spawnItem () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MaskedAnimator.fs:92)
Mirage.Unity.MaskedAnimator+MaskedAnimator.OnNetworkSpawn () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MaskedAnimator.fs:119)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour.VisibleOnNetworkSpawn () (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:0)
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:VisibleOnNetworkSpawn()
Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject:InvokeBehaviourNetworkSpawn()
Unity.Netcode.NetworkSpawnManager:SpawnNetworkObjectLocallyCommon(NetworkObject, UInt64, Boolean, Boolean, UInt64, Boolean)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkSpawnManager:SpawnNetworkObjectLocally(NetworkObject, UInt64, Boolean, Boolean, UInt64, Boolean)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject:SpawnInternal(Boolean, UInt64, Boolean)
Imperium.Core.Lifecycle.ObjectManager:OnSpawnEntity(EntitySpawnRequest, UInt64)
Imperium.Netcode.ImpNetMessage`1:<.ctor>b__8_0(EntitySpawnRequest, UInt64)
LethalNetworkAPI.LNetworkMessage`1:LethalNetworkAPI.INetMessage.InvokeOnServerReceived(Object, UInt64) (at ./Public/LNetworkMessage.cs:153)
LethalNetworkAPI.Internal.UnnamedMessageHandler:HandleMessage(UInt64, String, EMessageType, Object, UInt64[]) (at ./Internal/UnnamedMessageHandler.cs:285)
LethalNetworkAPI.Internal.UnnamedMessageHandler:SendMessageToServer(MessageData, Boolean) (at ./Internal/UnnamedMessageHandler.cs:193)
LethalNetworkAPI.LNetworkMessage`1:SendServer(EntitySpawnRequest) (at ./Public/LNetworkMessage.cs:265)
Imperium.Netcode.ImpNetMessage`1:DispatchToServer(EntitySpawnRequest)
Imperium.Core.Lifecycle.ObjectManager:SpawnEntity(EntitySpawnRequest)
Imperium.Interface.SpawningUI.SpawningObjectEntry:Spawn(Vector3, Int32, Int32, Boolean)
Imperium.Interface.SpawningUI.SpawningUI:Spawn(SpawningObjectEntry, Int32, Int32)
Imperium.Interface.SpawningUI.SpawningUI:OnSubmit()
Imperium.Interface.SpawningUI.SpawningUI:<InitUI>b__10_1(String)
UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent`1:Invoke(String)
TMPro.TMP_InputField:SendOnSubmit()
TMPro.TMP_InputField:OnUpdateSelected(BaseEventData)
UnityEngine.EventSystems.EventSystem:Update()

both host and client logs

so maybe when i tried with Skelaah, it corrupted my game somehow, cause the errors dont show up anymore, so perhaps a good idea if anyone in a game lobby is having an issue.. for everyone to verify files xD

i should say though, the error above i think prevented masked from spawning with items

profile code btw
0196255b-8218-656a-9bf2-be2ef3f24822

[deft cape]

interesting...

i really don't understand how it's even happening

will have to think about it

thanks for all the testing & reports y'all

gonna take a closer look at it sometime over the weekend

[left frost]

has anyone encountered this error?

[ionic shoal]

is the DLL in the location as specified at the top of the error? looks like something didnt install properly.

[left frost]

ty that was the problem

i had them in some folders

[copper valve]

could this be mirage related? i dont use any other mods that touch the mimic and it made us softlock when leaving a moon

[copper valve]

my mimics are generelly broken and cant actualy grab anyone

[neat tusk]

by anyone you mean anyone except the host or anyone in general?

[copper valve]

i dont know honestly

i know for sure non hosts dont get grabbed by mimics properly

im actively playing with friends i can do some solo testing tomorrow

[copper valve]

k it ended up being super inconsistent and i dont even know how im supposed to test this lol

on pareidolia our mimics just broke and didnt work and like 2 quotas later one of us got mimic'd twice from 1 grab

[solemn ridge]

I think Mirage is definitely having some issues after the new update unless @oblique galleon knows if it has some issues with ReXuvination potentially. I had a few cases today where Mimics suddenly started causing my game to get bad freezes and my stream would drop frames until we left the moon

Unfortunately I have no idea if this falls on Mirage or MirageCore but it needs fixed

Cus I would guess it's sending too much network data or something for that kind of stuff to happen

I would say for now roll back Mirage to 1.24.1 and MirageCore to 1.0.3 if you keep having issues

[copper valve]

well the 3 main changes i remember to my modpack was installing RebalancedMoonsBeta, installing Rexuvination and installing EntranceTeleportOptimizations and the Mirage update wich sounded wonky in chat. on the weekend befor i was not having any issues and i hghly doubt RebalancedMoons breaks mimics

[solemn ridge]

Yeah no I had none of these problems the other day either, and it's extremely doubtful it would be something to do with EntranceTeleportOptimizations especially if you also have LethalPerformance cus the caching in that will override it

So it's Mirage or ReXuvination and since I was getting dropped frames I have a feeling it's Mirage

[copper valve]

well EntranceTeleport seemed useless anyways, Polarus fire exits still bugged out on us today

[solemn ridge]

That is something you need to report to Matty

He wants to be informed of issues

[copper valve]

its just wierd to me that it only happens on Polarus

[solemn ridge]

Probably whatever interior you had on there

Or Wesley accidentally broke it after April Fools

@timber steeple is Polarus broken for you?

[copper valve]

Polarus had the museum interior from wesley today i think

thing is i also have acidir installed wich i think has even more fire exits and that moon never breaks but it also uses different interiors

[solemn ridge]

If it was specifically Polarus I just wonder if something is broken

[copper valve]

i started wondering this too

[solemn ridge]

Cus I haven't played on there recently

If you have LethalPerformance, try making sure you have it's caching on

See if you repro Polarus being broken

Cus if you do then it's an issue on Wesley's end

[timber steeple]

not afaik
why

[solemn ridge]

Kayo was reporting the fire exits were blocked for them even with Matty's Entrance caching mod, I might run a quick test on there rq with LethalPerformance to see if it's alright on my end

lol

Cus if it's still broken with LP then that means some network object would be messed up

lol

[solemn ridge]

Rebalanced Moons could potentially be a problem culprit it does touch networking

btw

I don't think it touches masked though

Polarus is fine for me

[copper valve]

well they werent blocked they kept leading us to different exits

[solemn ridge]

Oh weird

Got Beanie's interior

c;

Yeah it's fine for me

So the moon likely took more than 15s for you to generate potentially and Matty's mod couldn't do it's thing

@vast canyon @fiery hazel

[copper valve]

its just been kinda frustrating today because i had to restart the lobby several times tonight because when leaving a moon it would just softlock and do nothing and the console wouldnt even show anything red at this moment and i dont even know how im supposed to figure anything out about this and besides that just very buggy mimics doing either nothing or creating 2 mimics from 1 grab and polarus fire exits being jank and warping to the worst possible exits wich get blocked off after some time

[solemn ridge]

That might be some other mod causing your issues then

[copper valve]

well besides polarus jank its all new issues wich i havent had the weekend befor

[cloud adder]

does mattys mod specifically stop working after 15 sec of generation

[solemn ridge]

Yes, it won't work after that

DiFFoZ mentioned something about how it wouldn't

[cloud adder]

oh that's not good

black mesa on average takes around that time to generate

cus its so huge

is it just a restriction of the code or was it specifically chosen at 15

[solemn ridge]

Not sure

I plan to just stick to LP's implementation personally

Sector Alpha has a lot of issues that need fixed

[cloud adder]

i'm using matty's caching until all the stuff gets updated

[solemn ridge]

So it wasn't a loss to me to remove it til voxx gets around to updating it

[cloud adder]

cus i use literally everything that doesn't work with LP right now

except hadal but thats because it has a softlock during generation

tea's working on tartarus and getting some nice progress but i havent seen voxx or spookybuddy in a while so i'm not sure how it's going for them

[deft cape]

not sure I'll have time to touch mirage this weekend actually

not sure if it's confirmed broken or not

if it is just downgrade for now and lmk just so I know it's confirmed a mirage issue

[ionic shoal]

isnt that the one that runs on "setexitids"?

if so, and the 15s is related to the time of the main entrance generating, the way i understood the code was, after the 15s, it stops trying to use the main entrance position, and instead uses the origin (which i assumed to be 0,0,0)

i only mention it because i originally thought if it didnt generate it would break then realised otherwise.

[fiery hazel]

i think you misread what diffoz said about the 10s timer Lunx

tha 10s is a vanilla thing. my entrance Teleport mod removes it

[fiery hazel]

also locked fire exists can still generate if the interior never spawns their corresponding door

[solemn ridge]

Ohhhh okay

Well the issue kayo got wasn't that they were blocked but that exits lead to the same place sometimes

[fiery hazel]

neither mine nor diffoz mods magically create missing doors. we just make sure the ones that exist are linked correctly to each other

[solemn ridge]

But it sounds like Kayo has some other stuff going on with their pack

So multiple fire exits leading to the same room bug is what they got

[fiery hazel]

we, or at least i did, also made sure that if a mod updates a exit ID at runtime the others will change their pointers to follow the change.
( in this case my mod would print a warning in logs )

[solemn ridge]

@copper valve Might be worth posting the log

[solemn ridge]

I wouldn't be surprised if with the errors they mentioned they got something was just preventing your mod from working somehow lol

[copper valve]

not the entire session cause i restarted my game at some point in between

[deft cape]

mb ended up being focused on something else, will probably take a look at this next weekend actually

[fiery hazel]

as diffoz was notifying me in #1360176633847349348 message
this warning: [Warning:EntranceTeleportOptimizations] Another mod is trying to suppress FindExitPoint!
means another mod ( most likely butteryFixes ) is bypassing my code and is returning it's own value instead!

[solemn ridge]

When is ButteryFixes gonna be updated to remove it's garbage?

It needs to be removed so your mod can be properly tested lol

@weak lance apologies if my wording came off as rude but it may be a good idea to push that update that removes the code since it overrides Matty's mod

[fiery hazel]

it's not garbage ... same as diffoz. they are different implementations

i've pushed v0.0.3 that wraps the FindObjects calls in Diffoz style
and forces my mod to be one of the last ones overriding FindExitPoint while enforcing my cached destination if somebody else replaces it

[weak lance]

its gone

[solemn ridge]

Yeah like I said it was poor word play. I'm a new alter in our system so I'm still learning how to properly word some things

I couldn't think of how else to word it x.x but I didn't mean to come off as harsh or mean if I did

[solemn ridge]

Love you cuties and the hard work you all do, again sorry for my poor wording

[prime solstice]

Poor word play 💀

Literally calls it garbage

even scrap-e wouldnt collect you

Alex 2.0

[solemn ridge]

No I just am still learning the proper words to use since I'm new, I haven't learned well the right words to use yet

[stray osprey]

wym, new to what exactly?

[tough cape]

Life

[fading sapphire]

Hey Lunx! Sorry for tagging like half a year later about this but I recently just added this mod to my pack but haven't tested it with friends, you able to lemme know your noise suppression settings? We have a bit of a problem in our group with keyboards 😅

[broken blade]

hi i play with them, this is what they have set

In case you need it the rest of their config also

[cloud adder]

i tried these and 1 of 2 things happened
1: the mod didn't work
2: my friend's keyboard is so loud that it couldn't stop the noise coming through

[fading sapphire]

Thank you very much!! The lack of noise suppression was driving me nuts, we used to use Nvidia Broadcast for a while but that randomly decides to stop working 😭

[broken blade]

Fair enough

Stuff still comes through now and then but I'd hope that helps even a little

[solemn ridge]

It works for us, every now and then some audio will still come through but it's way better than without it

[safe sundial]

does mirage have less of a performance impact than skinwalkers ?

[cloud adder]

yes

its just better than skinwalkers in pretty much every way

[deft cape]

@ionic shoal wait so do u still have that issue from before? (if you've recently run mirage at least)

I'm still not too sure how I'd be able to reproduce it myself

the bug itself seemed pretty rare to encounter in the first place, and only for a small minority of groups

[cloud adder]

what bug are you referring to

[deft cape]

this

gonna try and look into this today

and hopefully figure something out cuz I prob won't be looking at mirage for awhile again

[cloud adder]

ah, looks like a weird desync

i know i had some weird things happening with the masks in my previous session

like how they showed up as dead for host but everyone else could still see them alive, standing in place and talking and could still grab clients

[deft cape]

has that happened b4 the latest mirage update

[cloud adder]

i don't think so

[deft cape]

dang

[cloud adder]

but i have a few mods that touch the mask so i'm not sure which

[deft cape]

tbh might have to revert the update till I have time to look at it again cuz it doesn't seem like it's something I can fix in a day

assuming latest version of mirage is indeed the culprit

[cloud adder]

i don't know how far back you'd have to go to undo it

[deft cape]

just the last update if it was fine b4 that

[cloud adder]

yea i just dont know

[deft cape]

ah that's what u mean

[cloud adder]

cus if my memory is right you released more than 1 update between last friday and the friday before

and we only get together once a week to play

[quick remnant]

I haven't had time to test the latest update but I can also confirm I've never had anything like that bug happen on the previous update

[deft cape]

ah

I dont even remember what I put for the update

[deft cape]

ah gotcha

[deft cape]

have any of those mods updated recently as well

just wanna confirm how likely it is that mirage is causing it

[cloud adder]

most recent one i can think of is TME

which didn't have a change for the mask in its new update

and i already have GI's mask features turned off except for the nametag

which i like for making them more like players

[deft cape]

hmm does sound like mirage most likely then

I think I'll just re-upload the 1 update b4 the latest then

[quick remnant]

Could the miragecore update be responsible? Ik you updated mirage and the core

[deft cape]

for now I think I'll just make flashlights work with AdditionalFlashlights and then call it a day

[deft cape]

nah 100% not that

really not sure what the issue is but it's definitely not mirage core is all I can say

[quick remnant]

by this do you mean the reservedflashlightslots thingie?

[deft cape]

oh yeah thats the name 😂

[quick remnant]

lets freaking gooo

[deft cape]

will still be using the current configuration tho

the planned changes will have to be in the summer when I have more time

[quick remnant]

whats the current again? just like they spawn on or off or somethin

instead of dynamically turning them off and on?

btw I had a shotgun go off earlier in a masked's hands btw, which is incredibly epic

it was the majoras mask one from legend weathers tho so idk if its totally the same, but I recall it being mentioned in here by TLNR I think how that shouldn't happen. I love it tho

[deft cape]

I think it's a chance to spawn with the light being on or off

I dont even remember too well myself

[deft cape]

what the, that sounds like another mod's doing 🤔

[copper valve]

no shotguns can off randomly when the safety is off

even when holding them

[deft cape]

ah

[cloud adder]

shotguns spawn with the safety off don't they

cus thats what they are for nutcrackers

[quick remnant]

yee it's just the random chance

very low chance for incredible funne to happen

[copper valve]

do mimics hold items wich are being held by the mimiced player or is the item selection random?

[cloud adder]

can't wait for mirage update where a mask that can't catch a player just shoots them

[deft cape]

😳

[copper valve]

can they spawn with a rocket launcher from lethalthings? would be so funny with that

[deft cape]

it's based on the spawnable scrap and is based on their weights

for the level I mean

so e.g. you'll never see it holding a shotgun in experimentation unless u changed the scrap spawns

[copper valve]

a mimic spawning with a shotgun must be rare to begin with but then also having the random shooting chance kick in is kinda crazy rare then

[cloud adder]

I could see that being part of lethal intelligence or something

[quick remnant]

Not if you have buyable shotguns so it's technically a tool and you can adjust the weight manually hehe

[cloud adder]

If a mask spawns with a shotgun and can't reach you after a while then it just fuckin shoots you

[deft cape]

IIRC virus was working on it but had it disabled while fixing bugs

could have misremembered though

[cloud adder]

I'll have to check out LI at some point

All I've heard about it since it's inception was the pain of working on masks

Idk why

Like are masks more prone to erroring than other enemies

[deft cape]

no idea, you'd have to hear that from virus

kinda curious too though

[copper valve]

ive never used it befor either, it sounds amazing as an idea but the bug list on the modpage has always thrown me off

[deft cape]

could just try it once to see if it works well for your pack

[cloud adder]

I mean smart that it was released in an experimental package

That way full release doesn't need the stains of a large buglist anymore

[cloud adder]

A long long time ago I did try the original masked ai revamp by piggy, and it was crazy buggy. But things have changed a lot so I'll def have to try it again sometime

[copper valve]

well the issue with the 10 mimics thing makes me worry that Pareidolia might cause trouble since it definetly spawns a bunch of mimics, definetly more than like 4 or 5 (ive never actualy counted)

and Pareidolia is one of my groups favorite moons so eh

[cloud adder]

Is there an issue with more than 10 mimics

[copper valve]

according to the mod page yes

ill try it out i guess

[cloud adder]

Oh on LI you mean

Gotcha

[copper valve]

ye

[cloud adder]

That would probably hurt on Rampart

Which spawns at least 5 masks upon landing and more throughout the day

[ionic shoal]

since i last spoke, i havent tested,whatever i last said, is what the situation was xD

afaik, in my modpack, there is no issues though, it was just testing with them, that the issue appeared, so not sure what caused it, maybe one person having bad game files that needed verifying if i remember correctly? but i dont know how the issue progressed from them after i tested with them

[deft cape]

yeah from the sounds of it, that bug is gonna be really hard to figure out 😭

im still pretty sure this is different than whatever else others have described though

since this has always existed since the rewrite

[deft cape]

hmm actually wanna see if ppl have issues with the older version of mirage as well b4 reverting the update

just to make sure it's actually the new version of mirage and not another mod

i'll still do the update for the flashlight slot mod without removing the faster load times

[quick remnant]

Wouldn't it be better to revert the changes to see if the problems persist? Since the main possible outcomes of note are either
A. revert -> then no issues at all happen = probly the update safe to say
however if instead you
B. don't revert -> issues still persisting = still could be other mask mods at the end of the day, not as definitive as evidence

Another way to say: since the variable of [X = other potential mask mod] will be unchanged regardless, changing the variable of [Y = mirage] (i.e. to prev version) would make both a change or no change to the bug(s) occuring more meaningful evidence.

I've had a very long day tho so I may be completely confused and wrong rn though.

[deft cape]

i mean i'd rather not revert if i don't need to cuz

ppl can already downgrade by themselves already

if i have to revert and it turns out latest update is fine then i'd have to transfer my new update again (the one with the flashlight support when i push it)

[quick remnant]

Ye np if its a hassle, idk how that unity project bizness works

I saw one of the two latest updates in the patches said something about animatorcontrollers, could be that change too for the clients getting buggy grabs issue rather than the load times change. I remember that bug used to happen way back in v45 with lethalexpansion

[deft cape]

people say that only the latest update is broken though so it's probably not that

[solemn ridge]

For what it's worth I haven't had the weird freezing issues as of late

But I reinstalled Windows cus my previous install was shitting itself

so that might relate

lol

[ionic shoal]

played tonight, had no issues, not sure if i heard any masked though. (i didnt interact with them much tonight, spent a lot of it dead :D)

[deft cape]

i guess that confirms the latest update is fine then? 🤔

[solemn ridge]

Masked worked fine for us today

[deft cape]

so it was just another mod afterall

[solemn ridge]

spoke fine and everything

[deft cape]

nicee guess i can keep the update then

thx for the confirmation

[deft cape]

@quick remnant so i thought the issue was that the extra slot flashlight's light itself isn't showing but it works out of the box

is the issue that it's always on?

cuz i'm not really sure what the expected fix is supposed to be

[quick remnant]

Yeah it's just always on. I mean the best thing could be that interval thing discussed before, but if that's too much hassle the next best thing might be having the light off when the masked are outside. Or at *most a (configurable? ) chance to have the light on while outside, since blackout weathers and nightmare moons do exist

[deft cape]

i'm just trying to keep the same config rn just to get this update over with in 10 mins 😛

eh i guess i'll just make it match regular flashlights

[quick remnant]

Lmao all good

Whats reg again? Just a chance to be on or off?

[deft cape]

yeah

any additional changes ill do it over the summer

this is prob my last update for awhile unless some big issue arises

[quick remnant]

So just trying the configurable chance behaviour to that slot of flashlights too? Bc yeah that should be fine

[deft cape]

yeah pretty much

[deft cape]

@quick remnant alright looks like it won't be done today so any reservedflashlightslot support would have to come during the summer 😔

i was able to find the flashlight on the masked gameobject at ScavengerModel/metarig/spine/spine.001/spine.002/spine.003/BBFlashlight(Clone)(Clone), but this child object doesn't seem to be attached at .Start() or .OnNetworkSpawn(). the only thing i could think of right now that runs after these is in a .FixedUpdate(), but i really don't want to poll for it so i'm just gonna not do it for now

in the summer when i have a lot of time i'll look into it again

[deft cape]

this modpack works for me when i test it on two local clients

i'm not really sure i'll ever be able to fix that specific bug since it doesn't happen for me 😬

[quick remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/god-why-ugh-nooo-ahh-gif-27454757

Srsly tho no worries tysm for everything already, and good luck on your studies(?)!

[ionic shoal]

as i said, i think it was just Skelaah needed to verify files, hopefully it was fixed after they did so, when they hosted, my game bugged out, i played myself, and it bugged out still,i restarted and played by myself and it didnt bug out.. so yeah, i think its a case of bad vanilla files breaking the game... but i guess Skelaah can confirm/disprove that (i think they verified their files after i said, but i dk if they stopped having the issue or not)

[deft cape]

@neat tusk any chance you could confirm if it's still bugged for you after verifying your files?

[neat tusk]

Sadly I can't check right now since I'm away from my pc but I've played with my friends around 2 days ago and I've actually heard more mimicked voices on my end (not sure if it was the same for others tho, so I'll have to ask around)

[vast canyon]

I just noticed that mirage is sending audio data reliably, isn't it will cause a lot of overhead?

[oblique galleon]

whats the rpcdelivery stuff and how can you specify it?

[vast canyon]

it's probably the same way as specify of require ownership, so in the attribute

[oblique galleon]

oh interesting

[idle tundra]

hey, I read that some other mods could overwrite Mirage's config when it comes to max masked enemies spawning naturally.
tho going through my modlist multiple times gives me no idea since I don't think I have another mod which tinkers with masked enemies.
Are there any known ones?

I set the max spawn to 2 (naturally) and without anyone dying there are always 3 at least very early in the game

[deft cape]

yes it was originally set to unreliable but there were some subtle bugs that i haven't fixed yet so i just set it to reliable as a workaround for now

[deft cape]

sounds good lmk how it goes

[deft cape]

i really have no idea which mods runs their patch after mirage, sorry

[deft cape]

but yeah this is something i'll fix during the summer

[fervent lintel]

anyone has issues with clients hitting Masked not being registered?

primarily with ECD downloaded

so they can't damage Masked or stop them from grabbing players

[autumn glen]

tried peak for the first time in a few months

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/k8Shy490MtHgLojQ6?invite=cr-MSx3Y3MsMjYyMzg4OTQx

this mod is still so goated 🧎

[deft cape]

LOL wtf since when could masked jump off ledges like that

[oblique galleon]

theres an off mesh link there

in that mansion tile

[cloud adder]

that's a normal off mesh link for that room

ok 💀

ive seen it when looping jesters in there before

[deft cape]

TIL

[autumn glen]

movie magic, or whatever

[cloud adder]

this mod doesnt mess with masks pathfinding right?

[ionic shoal]

nothing relating to pathing afaik, just gives them a voice, and has a toggle+settings for allowing them to hold items, and a toggle+settings for spawn rates, and a few other things.

I think its just my mod (LI) and MaskFixes that fiddle with masked pathing.

having an issue with masked walking into walls?

[cloud adder]

they stutter step and walk into corners

which apparently was an issue with pathfindinglagfix that got fixed

but it still happens to me

[gleaming niche]

idk what im doing wrong, i have downloaded everything

[fervent moss]

you probably missed MirageCore and it's dependencies

MirageCore has like 5 other dependencies u gotta download aswell

[gleaming niche]

i did, I just ended up removing everything

[neat tusk]

Hey! I wanted to say that the previous issue I've had has been resolved. I'm not really sure what happened, but my entire thunderstore data was deleted seemingly out of nowhere, along with my modpack profiles. After having to create a new one out of scratch, I've added Mirage and everything was working as intended. So I guess something was wrong with my profile data...?

[red juniper]

Hello, I got this error when I am in game with Mirage

It happens on all maps I was trying (Modded & Vanilla), and I didn't managed to get Masked to spawn

So maybe related to a spawning problem idk

[ionic shoal]

it did seem like a verifying files/different profile fixed it, if you remember, when we tested, it was broken on my game too, but only after you hosted x.x shrug was weird as f, glad to hear its fixed tho xD

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape There's a bug where sometimes mimics immediately drop extension ladders, this caused us to have a bug where a mimic spawned on the ship from NightOfTheLivingMimic and it dropped a soft locked one on the ship

[cloud adder]

dropped as in, after you killed it? because i don't think they have item use/drop code right now

[solemn ridge]

Nope the mimic got up and I heard the sound of it being picked up and saw it in it's hands then the item instantly dropped

[cloud adder]

odd

[deft cape]

you'll have to just disable ladders in the config

i don't think i'll be fixing bugs from items since it'll take too much time to debug

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I turned them off, luckily it's only that

[regal sandal]

@deft cape Is the lethal settings mod needed?

[cloud adder]

Only needed if clients want to configure how loud their voice recording is, or block it from recording at all

Otherwise you can turn it off

[deft cape]

this

highly recommend keeping it in case your users need it

well the exception being if you have facilitymeltdown installed, which breaks mirage settings (unless bongo fixed that recently)

[cloud adder]

Unfortunately it hasn't been fixed

It's a kind of thing that should be fixed by both bongo and willis

Bongo's mod shouldn't be breaking it

And willis' mod shouldn't allow others to break it

[regal sandal]

What breaks with meltdown

[cloud adder]

Lethalsettings doesn't work right of meltdown is installed

[shadow snow]

LethalSettings seems pretty borked atm.
I've simply uninstalled it and have had no issues after. (v70)

[fluid summit]

what did uninstalling it fix?

[shadow snow]

Menu errors are gone

[cloud adder]

Lethalsettings already had issues before v70

I guess that was just the nail in the coffin

@deft cape if you still want to do player specific settings for mirage I'd suggest you dump lethalsettings and look into how it's done on MelaniesVoice

That mods config is universal, doesn't get changed per profile and works with LethalConfig

Just seems like a better way to do it

[solemn ridge]

I never had any menu errors

[cloud adder]

Because you don't use meltdown

Right

[deft cape]

eh i have no motivation to work on mirage at all rn

especially for config stuff

but yeah the problem with lethalsettings is that meltdown bricks it

[shadow snow]

Just finished a session with the boys. Mirage worked flawlessly with LethalSettings uninstalled.

[regal sandal]

@deft cape I got these two errors while running the mod in v70.

[21:12:56.0902405] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Mirage.Domain.Config.getConfig () (at ./Mirage/Domain/Config.fs:387)
Mirage.Unity.MimicPlayer+MimicPlayer.StartMimicking () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MimicPlayer.fs:61)
Mirage.Unity.MimicPlayer+MimicPlayer.Start () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MimicPlayer.fs:56)

[21:12:56.0829059] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Mirage.Domain.Config.getConfig () (at ./Mirage/Domain/Config.fs:387)
Mirage.Unity.MimicPlayer+MimicPlayer.StartMimicking () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MimicPlayer.fs:61)
Mirage.Unity.MimicPlayer+MimicPlayer.Start () (at ./Mirage/Unity/MimicPlayer.fs:56)

[deft cape]

might be a mod conflict? considering it worked for glacius just now

i'd recommend posting it on github if you want me to look at it when i'm free since it's definitely gonna be buried in discord

[ocean mesa]

We're getting log spam from mimics with pretty much just Mirage and dependencies. I can do a deep dive later and see what I come up with. I'll stick a bug report in with details in a bit. Everything seems to be working.

But also, please drop soft dependencies like LethalSettings from things automatically installed... Just my two cents.

The error we're getting is

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
SoftMasking.SoftMask.UpdateMaskParameters () (at <41a02cf6c61946e3b3801b8d0274eb87>:IL_003F)
SoftMasking.SoftMask.OnWillRenderCanvases () (at <41a02cf6c61946e3b3801b8d0274eb87>:IL_000E)
UnityEngine.Canvas.SendWillRenderCanvases () (at <c6e732ee43764427b2b923952ecc7fa9>:IL_000A)

Which makes me think it's one of the mask fix dependencies. Which is why I'm holding off until I've done more testing.

[solemn ridge]

It's not

New thing that got added for the compass in V70, use SoftMaskKiller for now or ACompass Revived

[ocean mesa]

So there's no way to fix this aside from another mod? Just checking. I haven't dived in to the decompilation on the new stuff (outside of quota relevant code) yet.

For now I'll definitely be happy just to not have the spam. Thank you.

[shadow snow]

From what I gather, LethalSettings has its own error spam outside of ”SoftMasking” and Softmasking has nothing to do with Mirage inherently. Feel free to post your modlist

[shadow snow]

Are you running ModelReplacementAPI

[brazen steeple]

nop

[shadow snow]

Mind sending me a mm code?

I can take a look at it

[brazen steeple]

currently debugging my pack but you could take a look
019735da-af5f-ea1f-9505-192012bd293a

[shadow snow]

Just seeing 250 mods alone, I can promise you Mirage isn't the issue.

[wide cedar]

Does this go for all enemies or is it rare?

[brazen steeple]

ye i know just sending an error maybe someone could identify a conflict somewhere.

[shadow snow]

@brazen steeple Well, you probably don't want to hear this, but here, a full list IN ORDER which mods to disable (wait for an update) or uninstall and replace:

WhoVoted
NaturalSelection
NightOfTheLivingMimic
GeneralImprovements
LethalBestiary
SCP173
SCP966
SCP3199
Emergency Dice Updated
LethalModDataLib
LethalLevelLoader
ImmersiveScrap
LuigisMansionMoon LLL
83 Sorrow
LLLHotReloadPatch
Wither
Pinnacle
CodeRebirth
Dungeons Ultimately Lacking Liveliness
ut99 interiors
unreal interiors
Darkworld Interior
Nightmare Moons
Moons of Otherworldly Oddity
ScannableFireExit
Generic Interiors
Castellum Carnis
Vehicle Hangar
Bozoros
SkelaahsWildMoons
OpenLib
darmuhsTerminalStuff
suitsTerminal
ShipColors
ghostCodes
DoorBreach

Also no I dont want to deal with another 200+ list rn so you get the special

Everything else works in singleplayer but multiplayer testing is another thing, plus the new enemy from v70 might give you extra trouble

[brazen steeple]

ye thanks for the effort tho. I'd rather not send my pack since its kinda big

wait wha even coderebirth? thought it updated for v70

[shadow snow]

Feel free to DM me if you need specific help but other than that I don't particularly like combing through anything above 100 mods :P

Rebirth might be ok if you remove mods prior to it in the list, I didn't check too thoroughly.

I look at errors, warnings and fatals and list things in order they break

If something else on the list interferes with Rebirth and its not a Rebirth issue, the team over at Rebirth was just quicker to report on it

It's just a thing that can happen when you run 200+ mods

[brazen steeple]

even so I'll try to isolate what mod conflicts and help others with the same error in the future

[shadow snow]

Many ways to deal with it, you can select a random 10 from my list to disable at a time and see if it works, just make sure you have your bepi logging correctly

Error, Message, Info will give more more than you need for troubleshooting

Fatal if you really need it

[brazen steeple]

yes I'm used to troubleshooting my pack. I always have console enabled

[shadow snow]

Good luck, soldier.

[brazen steeple]

its just that some issues can be wild af. example from lunxara where the ||bird|| enemy cant kill clients is because of LethalElementsBeta. I cant made this up

[brazen steeple]

sorry for the ping can I look in your modpack?

I think combinations of emergency dice, LethalBestiary and mirage. I'll test more

[regal sandal]

236 mods

I can send it later today

It’s optimized though

[brazen steeple]

got more 😅 can handle it maybe

[copper valve]

Isn't lethalbestiary quite old anyways

[brazen steeple]

ye tried to disable that and mods depends on it but i got the error anyways minus the bestiary

[onyx summit]

Some of these on this list should be fine now. Lots of stuff got fixed already.

Yeah looking it over lots of those you listed are fine.

[onyx summit]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TheWildSkelaah/SkelaahsWildMoons/

This mod breaks Mirage. Dont ask why but it does after v.70 update

So to people who are having issues check for this moon pack and disable and try again.

[solemn ridge]

Skelaah's moons are broken?

[onyx summit]

@neat tusk Not sure why but your moon breaks Mirage.

look above to see the error that mirage throws cause of it.

[solemn ridge]

It's probably due to how it references enemy prefabs

[neat tusk]

Oh god not another one

[onyx summit]

This was not the result i expected xD

[solemn ridge]

You likely just need to reference enemies in the same way other moons do, so game updates don't cause breakages

[neat tusk]

I haven't touched anything since the v70 update so I hope it's just compatibility issues

[compact bobcat]

Maybe it's a specific moon and not the whole pack? Like the Chronos issue that I reported yesterday

[solemn ridge]

Might be

Glitch try testing the individual ones

[onyx summit]

So i can say it worked fine in 69 when I used your moons, but for v70 I had pulled so I never saw the issues.

someone else had the issue and it turned out to be your moons broke for v70 then

[compact bobcat]

Chronos is the one that currently breaks Imperium

[onyx summit]

starting with Bilge

[neat tusk]

man this sucks I'm really sorry

[onyx summit]

Bilge doesnt throw the error but mimics wont speak with mirage.

also hey big game update, its expected. At least the problem is now found and hopefully its not a hard fix for ya 😄 your maps are pretty cool too (even though Bilge is a nightmare) lol

The 3 not chronos does not throw the error at least.

[solemn ridge]

So it's Chronos

that one has unique scripts and stuff so

makes sense

[onyx summit]

Main culprit it seems but I couldn't get mimics to talk with the others added.

[solemn ridge]

Do they talk without them?

[onyx summit]

Yes

[solemn ridge]

Interesting

[onyx summit]

they talk just fine without them