Imperium

[eternal perch]

what exactly was the issue?

[distant stag]

i think that it didn't spawn if it was spawned not with imperium

if so, yeah that was fixed in the last version

[dark heath]

not sure if y'all already know but the thing where cruiser spins after jumping twice is caused by having flight enabled

at least I'm 90% sure, because whenever I disabled flight the cruiser behaved normal again

[eternal perch]

well, that was my conclusion as well. did you open the link?

[dark heath]

no

[bitter compass]

@distant stag can you link me to the code that would run when you press X on a monster's entry to delete them?

[distant stag]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/blob/3e465047b02db3dcdb1f59a309c001bbed9b0c5f/Imperium/src/Interface/ImperiumUI/Windows/ObjectExplorer/ObjectListEntry/ObjectEntryActions.cs#L87

[bitter compass]

Thanks

Hmm I'm trying to find the exact code that runs when you despawn an enemy

[distant stag]

you have to follow the net messages

[bitter compass]

Basically impossible on phone lol

[distant stag]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/blob/3e465047b02db3dcdb1f59a309c001bbed9b0c5f/Imperium/src/Core/Lifecycle/ObjectManager.cs#L1423

[bitter compass]

I did get to DispatchToServer

[distant stag]

this is the server code

[bitter compass]

Hmm okie, I think this code is problematic for enemyai, I'll take a proper look when I'm on my PC and update you :3

[distant stag]

in what sense?

i just despawn the network object

[bitter compass]

I think it doesn't update some flags

The powerlevel flags, maybe it doesn't update certain RoundManager fields like cannotSpawnMoreInsideEnemies

[distant stag]

it shouldn't update any of these imo

[eternal perch]

iirc there was no definite consensus where it even should

[distant stag]

but i think he did add something enemyai does on its own when destroyed which might cause problems

[bitter compass]

Huh

[distant stag]

enemies spawned with imperium should not affect the power level and or max enemies or whatever by design

[eternal perch]

and messing with spawned enemies array didn't go very well, and was reverted

or something like that

[bitter compass]

Why would you not wanna follow base game logic lol
I've gotten a bug report from someone that I couldn't figure out with powerlevel and enemies spawning when they shouldn't or not spawning at all etc

[bitter compass]

I don't think they're necessarily spawned by imperium though

[distant stag]

yeah thats the catch

and this is a problem rn

enemies killed by imperium won't free power and or spawn count of that specific entity

[bitter compass]

Is this disclosed anywhere? I've been trying to figure this out for so long and I never thought imperium lol

[distant stag]

what exactly?

we should definitely make it so enemies spawned by the game and deleted by imperium should free their power level and max spawned so everything is in sync, but for that we first need to track all enemies spawned by the game and imperium so we can even differentiate between the 2

[bitter compass]

If you delete all enemies after spawn cap is reached, no enemies will spawn anymore and someone's been talking me to investigate it cuz they thought it was dawnlib

[distant stag]

yeah this isn't specified anywhere in imperium but thats what happens

ill add an issue

if there isnt one already

[bitter compass]

I feel like this is an unnecessary nuance lol

I dont get the use case personally

Especially since its more useful for testing if imperium followed base game logic

Maybe you can add it as a toggle in settings or smthn instead?

I just don't know who would benefit from imperium explicitly not interacting with powerlevel

[distant stag]

Yeah, my reasoning was to not mess with the game logic too much, so the spawning can still continue normally even if you spawn some enemies for testing

But I also see how this might actually be less intuitive

[bitter compass]

I understand the reasoning, I just don't understand why anyone would want that tbh

[distant stag]

But in any case, to make it more consistent we should make it so enemies that are spawned by the game are also cleaned up properly afterwards

[bitter compass]

Yee

[eternal perch]

more toggles for god's sake toggles

[bitter compass]

That would be nice atleast

[distant stag]

i thought about that as well, but Ill have to find a way to make it intuitive, I don't want a global setting controlling this, it should be something you can decide everytime you spawn something imo

[topaz matrix]

the spawning menu currently has a bunch of empty space in the middle of the bar for enemies, maybe a tick there could be good?

[distant stag]

yeah thats what I thought as well

I'll have a look once im finally back at my setup

[topaz matrix]

something to this effect

dont mind the shittiness im on my phone lol

[eternal perch]

so, like, the same checkbox for every row?

[topaz matrix]

i was thinking it would be there but disabled for all of them no matter which one u click

like they all set the same toggle

[eternal perch]

if they are all linked to each other, then there should not be more then one of them

[topaz matrix]

im not sure where else it could be put that doesn't just make it a global setting then

i would say just one at the top of the row / topmost entity but i could easily see someone typing something that shows up with multiple entities and picking one that is not the topmost entity

[distant stag]

could put it in the field

or make a separate menu

then we could also put the "Spawn this in front of you / inventory or at the indicator" setting there

[topaz matrix]

oh yeah like the bar at the top

that could work

[bitter compass]

oh btw i finally got on my pc to check the issue more closesly

none of this is true

the game handles the power level stuff when they enemy is destroyed OnDestroy too

[distant stag]

everything?

[bitter compass]

yeah, so killing an enemy through pressing X in imperium is handled just as how basegame would handle it

[distant stag]

interesting

[bitter compass]

so uh, thanks for doing it unintended :p (it helps test a lot more than u think lol)

[distant stag]

:P

[burnt cradle]

Is there a way to make it so you don't disappear when the freecam gets close to you?

[eternal perch]

close it https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/176

[pseudo field]

can't spawn old birds for some reasons

@acoustic lion this is why the variants weren't working

we were just unable to spawn them

cuz i'm unable to spawn base old bird

for some reasons

[topaz matrix]

old birds require an "old bird nest" (the inactive old bird) to spawn now

[pseudo field]

yeah

[topaz matrix]

if there is not one then they are just deleted

[pseudo field]

okay so imperium should fix not being able to spawn them without the nest

and/or it should have the ability to spawn the nest

and said nest should be able to be triggered via imperium

[topaz matrix]

that would definitely be nice

i wonder if that would mess with spawning stuff, having a nest when the game doesn't predict an old bird to spawn (probably not now that i think about it, if it doesn't get activated)

[pseudo field]

with the amount of mods that rewrite the game's core stuff

i'm at a point where "messing with spawning stuff" is a term you could even use in a legit sentence in this community anymore

[topaz matrix]

im not entirely sure what you're saying with this sentence

[pseudo field]

idk got drunk mid sentence

i meant to joke on the fact we often have overwrite vanilla stuff that are core parts of the whole game despite the fact it almost always causes problems at some point

[topaz matrix]

i see

thats true but for a debug mod it would ideally behave as close to vanilla as possible for things you aren't directly messing with

[pseudo field]

eh

[hollow granite]

shit. phuk. this has completely broken something I had planned

[distant stag]

I agree, making old bird spawnable without a nest would be too game breaking for a debug mod imo

Somehow enabling users to spawn a nest and then spawn old birds "into" it is probably the way to go

[hollow granite]

I do think there should be some way to spawn them, so if this is how it's done I'd be good with that. This or, it's a bool in their scriptable object, so I could see when an enemy is spawned via imperium, cache its old setting, set that requirement to false, spawn it, then put it back to what it was. I imagine baboon hawks also are now subject to this but idk for sure

actually, baboon hawks do not appear to be

[distant stag]

i think old birds might be the only ones being affected by this

and also john but thats a different mechanic again

[hollow granite]

who tf is john?

[hollow granite]

ah

[pseudo field]

they are cuz zeek made it specially for them

i remember now that zeekerss mentionned making it so they "can't spawn out of nowhere"

[feral sentinel]

yes

it was a flag specifically introduced for old birds

[pseudo field]

my nerd senses were right

[feral sentinel]

but was not used at all from v50-v80

he fixed it in v80

[pseudo field]

is there a way to disable it?

cuz for some reason, the version of the old bird prefab i have

well uhm, it does work with imperium

(my variant i'm saying)

[feral sentinel]

disable requireNestObjectsToSpawn in the enemy type

[pseudo field]

oooooo

that's why

[feral sentinel]

but that will cause the same issue as before where old birds instantly spawn in random positions with no animation

during actual games

[distant stag]

okay yeah crazy, because I read through the code and it did seem like it but idk if I was just trippin (i play this game too little to actually know myself )

[feral sentinel]

before v80 there was a problem with its implementation

where if it was enabled, and an old bird failed to spawn (because there was no nest)

[feral sentinel]

it would cancel all other enemy spawns for that hour

[distant stag]

yeah the classic return instead of continue / break

[feral sentinel]

also as for spawning nests in the middle of the day

[distant stag]

literally half of the bugs are this

[feral sentinel]

all players in a lobby are expected to have the same nest objects on their clients

and they are expected to be sorted in the exact same order

[pseudo field]

in any case you could just have the bool toggled off for testing, and on for releases

[feral sentinel]

so i could see problems arising from trying to spawn old bird nests mid-game with imperium

[distant stag]

okay yeah so I will have to network it myself just like vain shrouds, I guess I could group them both into a "nest" category in the object explorer

[feral sentinel]

individual clients despawn the old bird nest when the actual old bird gets spawned

it just takes the first nest in the list, teleports the newly spawned old bird to it, and despawns the nest

[carmine zinc]

old birds can just poof into existence under certain circumstances

[feral sentinel]

all clients run that individually, the nests aren't a network object which the host despawns

[feral sentinel]

only prior to v80

[carmine zinc]

ah

[feral sentinel]

in v80+, old birds immediately despawn themselves in the circumstances where it used to occur

[distant stag]

but the spawning happens on the server, right? how can clients get desynced down the line?

[feral sentinel]

actually nvm you're right i was misremembering a little bit

they are network objects and the host does send an RPC to add them to the list in a specific order

[distant stag]

the enemies or the nests as well?

[feral sentinel]

the nests

[distant stag]

okay thats quite easy then

I added an issue

[feral sentinel]

all enemies run this code though:

if (this.enemyType.isOutsideEnemy)
{
    if (this.enemyType.nestSpawnPrefab != null)
    {
        bool flag = false;
        for (int i = 0; i < RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects.Count; i++)
        {
            if (RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects[i] == null)
            {
                RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects.RemoveAt(i);
            }
            else if (RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects[i].enemyType == this.enemyType)
            {
                flag = true;
                this.UseNestSpawnObject(RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects[i]);
                break;
            }
        }
        if (!flag && this.enemyType.requireNestObjectsToSpawn)
        {
            this.isEnemyDead = true;
            this.inSpecialAnimation = true;
            if (base.IsServer)
            {
                Object.Destroy(base.gameObject);
            }
            else
            {
                this.EnableEnemyMesh(false, false, false);
            }
            return;
        }
    }

all clients, all enemies, on EnemyAI.Start()

tldr is if the enemy spawns outside and has a nest prefab, it goes through the list of nests (in order) and checks if any match the enemy type

if they do, they call UseNestSpawnObject()

[distant stag]

interesting

[feral sentinel]

otherwise, if no nests exist, and the enemy is requireNestObjectsToSpawn, it immediately gets despawned

public virtual void UseNestSpawnObject(EnemyAINestSpawnObject nestSpawnObject)
{
    this.agent.enabled = false;
    base.transform.position = nestSpawnObject.transform.position;
    base.transform.rotation = nestSpawnObject.transform.rotation;
    this.agent.enabled = true;
    if (RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects.Contains(nestSpawnObject))
    {
        RoundManager.Instance.enemyNestSpawnObjects.Remove(nestSpawnObject);
    }
    this.nestObject = nestSpawnObject.gameObject;
    if (!this.enemyType.useMinEnemyThresholdForNest)
    {
        Debug.Log(string.Format("Enemy {0} #{1} destroying nest object '{2}'", base.gameObject.name, this.thisEnemyIndex, nestSpawnObject.gameObject));
        Object.Destroy(nestSpawnObject.gameObject);
    }
}

[distant stag]

why does this boolean even exist when it also requires nestSpawnPrefab to be non-null? isnt that kinda redundant

[feral sentinel]

UseNestSpawnObject() still runs on all clients, and teleports the enemy to the nest as it spawns

[distant stag]

or do i understand this wrong

[feral sentinel]

and if the enemy type is also !useMinEnemyThresholdForNest, it despawns the nest itself (via Destroy() running on all clients)

[feral sentinel]

different enemies have different nesting behavior

baboon hawks and old birds implement the same variables for their nest

but baboon hawks:

1. spawn a nest if at least 3+ baboons are predicted to spawn in a single day
2. treat the nest as a "point of interest" they regularly return to

and old birds use the "nest" as a stand-in for their dormant body (meaning 1 nest for every old bird that's predicted to spawn)

so it appears they spawn at the beginning of the day and just take a while to power up

only old birds despawn their nest when they spawn

because that completes the illusion of them "booting up"

[dark heath]

sorry for the late response, but installing modelreplacementapi fixes this

[burnt cradle]

Thats odd but nice!

[distant stag]

sorry I forgot to reply to this, I am not actually sure why this happens, but its not something Imperium does. i think it has something to do with the built-in LOD of the model that applies to all cameras by default

[tall bough]

@distant stag getting "Imperium startup failed" here is my log
any idea?

[distant stag]

any other mods installed?

[tall bough]

019df87b-b070-1231-a951-3ec594671532

its weird because it was working last night

then i woke up today and its just not wanting to work
I even disabled the mods I added since I woke up

tried resetting config and reinstalling with a cleared cache

[distant stag]

have you tried on a clean profile?

there seems to be some dawnlib error as well in there

[tall bough]

dawnlib aint even enabled rn

[distant stag]

yeah maybe thats the problem? idk

it says its missing

[tall bough]

works fine on an empty profile as expected but idk why it doesnt work on my other

[desert silo]

Idk if this is related but do you have mirage?

[tall bough]

No

Like I said this was working last night
I wake up today add a few mods now it doesn’t
I disable said new mods and still doesn’t work which is very odd

[desert silo]

Whar if you delete them instead of disabling?

Unlikely, but possible

[tall bough]

nope

im assuming the log didnt give enough info either

[bitter compass]

testaccount core, which is used by moonswept, depends on dawnlib

that could be why your stuff is breaking

[tall bough]

Oh lol I wonder why I didn’t get a popup on my mm for that
I did also test with it reenabled earlier but it made no difference for imperium

[bitter compass]

dunno, testaccount might've forgotten to set it as a dependency on thunderstore

you'd have to ask him

[distant stag]

missing bepinex dependency at least, the exception says missing assembly, that shouldnt happen if you have it as hard dependency, no?

[bitter compass]

well, its more likely that testaccount screwed up making it a soft dependency in some part of the code

but im too lazy to look at the github and point out exactly where

[distant stag]

or that

[tall bough]

yeah testy forgot

but like i said unfort even enabling dawn lib didnt make a difference
i just instead made a new profile to test stuff with only a few mods

[eternal perch]

well

WELL

 W   w     W  EEE  L   L  
 W  w  w  W   Ee   L   L  
  W    W      EEE  LLL LLL

[distant stag]

[thorny island]

Is there a current issue or is it just me with reviving and not being seen by your friends(nor the items that you carry)? On top of that, when you kill yourself as you've revived yourself, the ship will see it as all players dead and leave.

[thorny island]

also the turrets are something you can't turn off with the "object explorer"

[distant stag]

Yeah map hazards don't really work rn

[distant stag]

Hmm okay, I'll look into it, but as a quick fix you can go to ship settings and turn off that the ship leaves even if everyone is dead

[thorny island]

Thank you! I'll do that for now.

[supple blaze]

I've found that teleportation to the ship is disabled in my modpack, I wonder if it's an incompatibility with WiderShip

[eternal perch]

hey, do you feel like hackatonning on imperium this week?

[distant stag]

Honestly yeah finally I got some time, I'm probably down tomorrow or Tuesday!

[eternal perch]

that's cool, tomorrow is a weekend btw

[desert silo]

Wat

[eternal perch]

y'know, his country got to keep all the gold bars, and somehow we are the ones celebrating it

[distant stag]

Tomorrow is weekend? Wdym

[eternal perch]

the (long forgotten) victory day for ex-ussr countries

[distant stag]

damnn

congrats(?) then

:D

[frail nest]

i have an item that has an attribute it randomly selects (using StartOfRound seed) on spawning, is it normal for that random roll to be exactly the same for each time i spawn it in via imperium? or is this a me problem...

nvm it's exactly the same regardless of imperium...

sad cry

[odd pecan]

How do I fix everything being invisible 😭

[dark heath]

Turn culling on and off in the render settings

[bitter compass]

@distant stag got a bug for ya

i assume you manually assign value to scrap you spawn with the imperium stuff

but you dont assign value to stuff like !isScrap

but you probably should because the game checks for SPECIFICALLY the key to give it a value lol

and technically, anyone can use itemId 14 to make their non scrap be worth value to the game

[distant stag]

But this is again something I wod have to do for host and clients, right? As this is not networked

But why do I have to do this in the first place? Aren't those values set in the scriptable object?

[bitter compass]

they are, keys specifically have a value of 3 that imperium gets rid of, ill check where that gets assigned to keys

[feral sentinel]

it is assigned to the prefab

keys start with 3 scrapvalue on both their GrabbableObject and ScanNodeProperties

it seems imperium is specifically wiping that when items are spawned

because ive experienced the same issue

[distant stag]

Wait what, but this probably only happens on the host then, no?

[bitter compass]

like, the value only gets removed on the host?

i dont know, why would that matter?

you're still getting rid of the value

[distant stag]

Well how is it supposed to be removed explicitly? All that happens on the client is spawn

Idk just wondering

But is there code that does this explicitly?

[bitter compass]

in imperium?

[distant stag]

Yes

Ion rember

[bitter compass]

you're probably trying to set the .scrapValue to something

[distant stag]

But only when a custom value is specified I'd imagine?

[bitter compass]

i cant check rn but my guess is that the key's SO doesn't have the right min and max values

[bitter compass]

i dont know what that means

[distant stag]

Like when spawning scrap you can specify a value

[bitter compass]

thats for how many you spawn

not their scrap value

[distant stag]

Both

[bitter compass]

oh

[distant stag]

You can supply 2 params

[bitter compass]

well i didnt know about this feature lol

so im gonna say no then to your question

[distant stag]

Yeah you can do the same with enemy HP 💀

[bitter compass]

thats cool though, i did actually need something like this lmaooo

[distant stag]

But nobody knows about it and it's also host only

[hollow granite]

Wait, does it tell you you can do this? I know I’ve seen the amount mentioned before but I don’t remember the other param being mentioned

[bitter compass]

another thing imperium should do
run StartOfRound.Instance.SendChangedWeightEvent(); when spawning an item in a player's hand/inventory

so that the weight in the UI gets synced immediately lol

[distant stag]

is this a client side method?

[bitter compass]

ye should be

it just invokes an event that a person's weight got changed

and it uses the current weight to put it into the UI

[distant stag]

alright

[mellow fjord]

how do i make myself go insane

[mellow fjord]

i dunno how to

and i wanna test insanity music

[dark heath]

spawn a forest giant

[mellow fjord]

woah

[distant stag]

Contrary, if you want to test the sanity music you can spawn an urban dwarf

[limber ice]

@distant stag greetings, I don’t know if my GitHub request was looked at but I thought I’d check in

Was about the changeability of the “greetings Padawan” via custom text (or however I phrased it ngl)

[distant stag]

It should be possible now

There's a hidden setting in the config

[limber ice]

Gonna check rn homie

I HAVE TO HUNT

[limber ice]

Is it accessible via lethalconfig? I may not be seeing the customization for it

It's to actually configure the text of the welcome message itself

I might be tripping. Long day at work 7 am to 5:30 pm

[distant stag]

Yeah exactly

[limber ice]

I can't find it

Gonna try again

Unless you could point me in ze right direction

[green oriole]

Hey @distant stag , I have a question about your mod (Imperium of course).
Will you add a night vision to free camera? Like it works in "freecammer" or "Poltergeist" mod? I'm asking because this feature could be useful for those who are making maps for custom moons. Some of them are pretty dark so night vision for free camera would be appreciated.
I hope you'll consider it.

[tight wharf]

i'm pretty sure you can do that already

[distant stag]

well rn the freecam just follows the player so if you are in freecam you have to tp the player to you kinda like a lamp

we are working on reworking the night vision entirely so this wont be a problem anymore

im just busy with exams in the next few weeks so idk when I will get to that

[limber ice]

Good luck w/exams! I couldn't find the hidden "change the text in the welcome message" config

[eternal perch]

definitely and actively working, yus

[distant stag]

[glad vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1173097017539563580/1501118285486231622/video0-8.mp4?ex=6a1fd2d8&is=6a1e8158&hm=744ab8e51553c4b780c1a026de9e3b049bf5542f3c768b69d6ef3ee24f62c4f6&

[dark heath]

Why is it that in the newer imperium version, items in the object explorer are arranged in a seemingly random order? previously when i'd spawn in items they would show up at the top of the Items list, but now they get shuffled in with everything

which makes it hard to remove the items i want, due to having to search the list for them more thoroughly

[eternal perch]

the technical reason behind it is that all object are scanned every now and then, instead of being additive like previously. As you can imagine, objects do now store information when they were spawned, making it impossible to sort the list when rebuilding it from scratch

[dark heath]

damn..

[feral sentinel]

does instance ID/network object ID not make sense to sort by?

i was under the impression instance ID always decrements for new stuff and network object ID always increments for new stuff

[bitter compass]

NetworkObjectId is a "static" int created that isn't meant to change after registering the network prefab no?