Imperium

[distant stag]

Just the logic to even implement that

[bitter compass]

just have an extension for when a network object is spawned im confused

i just do:

NetworkObject.OnSpawned(() => { });

also no he cant

same issues we have, he will have

[distant stag]

Hmm, how is that extension implemented

[bitter compass]

ill check

[distant stag]

Sorry, I meant he can just execute the functionality on each client and it's "synchronized"

He doesn't have to send any rpc

[bitter compass]

i mean, yeah he can override OnNetworkSpawn (not awake or start that just wont work), and then run the code there for a specific client

but then he has to hardcode that

whilst we can send the specific client that we want to pick it up via rpc

if he wanted to make a thing that auto picks an item for a player without hard coding the player, he NEEDS to rpc

[distant stag]

What I mean is that for my example, he can run the burst function in the awake of every client

No need for any RPC

It just happens on every client individually as soon as the object appears

[distant stag]

Idk I think thats pretty cursed

But I guess that's the way, this is also what I'm doing rn

[bitter compass]

i mean if you have a better cleaner way of waiting for the network object to be functional you can let me know

[distant stag]

I don't, I'm just saying it's unfortunate there isn't a better way, like technically unity could provide this on spawn function

Because it exactly knows when objects spawn

[bitter compass]

yeah

[bitter compass]

also i still dont understand this, are you saying awake of playercontrollerb or grabbableobject?

and just to be clear, when you are saying awake, you mean onnetworkspawn because awake wouldnt work

[eternal perch]

that would run the code every frame, right?

[distant stag]

Yeah

[bitter compass]

yeah that's how waituntil works

[eternal perch]

why are there no real signals in Unity 😭

[bitter compass]

a better way would be putting this on an update loop

[eternal perch]

RIP performance

[bitter compass]

to avoid the overhead of an ienumerator

performance my ass its just a bool 😭

[eternal perch]

I mean, it's not like there's any better way anyway

[bitter compass]

yeah, but its also not like even if there was a better way, it would actually matter how much better it is

performance wise anyway

[distant stag]

Like in the start function of the cadaver bloom it checks whether a test variable is set. If so, it immediately bursts the bloom and it opens
This is not synced tho, it happens locally on every client. So every client needs to set this variable on their own for this to not desync. This is basically what I have to do in imperium

[alpine glacier]

Btw, I sometimes get teleported out of the ship when landing

[distant stag]

Yeah it's probably not a problem at all, it's just a simple check that's like super fast, it just doesn't sit right with me that we have to do this when unity could just provide like an action you can subscribe to instead

Or not, there's probs a reason they didn't do it

Who am I to know

[bitter compass]

okay, lets say we do have this example but for items, a client needs to press a button to flip a toggle that is only changed locally that says grab every item that is instantiated on the awake of the item, do you expect this to work?

[distant stag]

Uhh I mean if every client executes this logic, why wouldn't it be synced?

Like as long as not every client tries to grab it themselves

I assume just the fact that it is grabbed at all is synchronized

[distant stag]

In that case the host would win every time

[bitter compass]

first of all, doing this on the awake of the item would cause the rpc's that should be running when grabbing an item to not run because the networkobject isn't spawned, so that would already fail
second of all, how do you make sure not every client is trying to grab it for themselves? what if multiple clients have this toggled? what if they dont want to grab every item but only specific items that they themselves spawn, but the problem is, spawning an item is server sided, so you have to run a clientrpc that tells the client that said they wanted to grab that specific item that they spawned that only they can grab it

[distant stag]

"The house always wins" typa shit

[bitter compass]

yeah but that's irrelevant

[distant stag]

I'm not really sure what logic you're exactly trying to explain

I don't really remember how I implemented

But evidently it doesn't work 😭😂

[bitter compass]

im trying to say, you need an rpc to make sure that the client who's calling the spawn function to be the one to grab it

[distant stag]

So yeah I guess you're right?

[bitter compass]

and you're saying you dont need any rpc's, which makes no sense

even zeekerss would need an rpc

[distant stag]

I guess

You could have a network var

That specifies who is holding it

Then every client checks if that's them

And then grabs it based on that

[bitter compass]

how are you setting this network var before the object exists

and how is that NOT more overhead than an rpc

[distant stag]

Can't network variables be set on the host before spawning and then they are immediately set like that on spawn on clients?

I assumed so but I haven't really worked with them

I think I also read it somewhere but maybe I misremember

[distant stag]

Well if you can set the value then spawn it that would be the simplest solution, no?

[bitter compass]

This would mean that your serverrpc has to carry a reference to the player who's spawning, which is good, that's what i would do, i dont actually know if you can give network variables values before the networkobject is spawned, but having an rpc that targets the player who spawned, and you already know who this is, to run the code you want, is much less overhead and less hardcoded than going to every item's onnetworkspawn and checking this very specific network variable that wont be used again and will keep incurring overhead

[distant stag]

But you'd have to wait for the object to be spawned before sending the RPC, no?

[distant stag]

Well this variable could be always used for storing who is currently hiding it, isn't there even a variable like this in grabbable object, just not network variable?

[bitter compass]

you DO have to wait for the object to be spawned, but not before the rpc that tells the client to grab the item is sent, because that would just be part of your networker and not grabbableobject's code

[bitter compass]

idk, this is just getting messier to justify the variable lol

[distant stag]

But this variable literally exists

You'd just have to make it networked?

But anyways I need to go now, I can talk later

[bitter compass]

i dont know what variable this is, but yeah if it does exist i guess you can rpc it every time you want to change it, and then patch onnetworkspawn for grabbableobject and THEN write the code there, rather than just handle everything in one rpc

its just so much more complicated

[ionic crescent]

why cant netcode just be easy

[bitter compass]

it is 😭

[distant stag]

But why do I need an RPC every time I want to change it

That's literally the point of a network variabke

That it does all the syncing for you

That's why I'm saying it's easier

[bitter compass]

because how are you making a network variable out of an already existing variable

[distant stag]

Rewriting the code

Like aren't we talking about how zeekerss could have made it easier?

Obviously we can't do that

[bitter compass]

okay true, we are talking about how zeekerss would do it

[distant stag]

So that's why rpcs

[bitter compass]

still hacky though

having a network variable that you would only care about when the object spawns

like surely network variables are always incurring costs over their lifetime

[distant stag]

Well no, as I said this already exists rn (I THINK) it just has to be networked for that functionality

[bitter compass]

if you mean playerHeldBy, which gets set when a player grabs it, turning it into a network variable will just add a bunch of overhead because it probably is just an rpc internally every time the value is changed

[eternal perch]

"Unity is a C++ engine with bindings to .NET" it's also old AF, and supported JavaScript at some point. C# event was probably not an option back then, and it's too late to change now. They can't even migrate their IEnumetator/generator based coroutines to a proper Task/async/await, even though they tried.

[distant stag]

But isn't there an RPC already that's executed when someone is grabbing it? This logic still needs to be executed on every client

You could just use the variable for that instead imo, so the client just sets it to themselves when they pick it up and then the network variable manages all the networking for you
Every client executes their own logic in the onChanged of the variable
This way it becomes a lot more data centered, a lot of networking logic in imperium works like that

But atp this discussion becomes kinda useless, there are many solutions and architectures to solve the same problem

[distant stag]

Fair point actually

Backwards compatibility and legacy code my beloved

[errant kestrel]

I have returned

[eternal perch]

tested spider webs recently. very borken.
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/78
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/135

and my ability to launch in Unity Editor broke after some git shenaningans

:-\

[distant stag]

Yeah I remember this, I did implement some custom shenanigans a while back but it didn't really fix it

But it should be a simple fix I think

Another problem is that not all spider webs from a spider are removed if that spider is d e l e t e d

Which I think is described partially in the first issue

[ionic crescent]

i just woke up and thought it said "tasted spider webs" man

[eternal perch]

yeah, it is fully described there

[distant stag]

Git shenanigans?

[eternal perch]

how do you spell that shit

I spell it rm -rf

[distant stag]

Uhm

[eternal perch]

but yeah, Unity Project Patcher makers took some unreasonable decisions which results in git being useless unless you un-ignore a lot of stuff

[distant stag]

Oh...I see, I haven't really used the patcher in a while, I still go the old-school route of reading the asset files since that unity version didn't even run on modern distros with 475+ Nvidia drivers for a long time

Surprisingly, it does work now for some reason, indicating that they added some kind of backwards compatibility fix like 20 versions later

I usually had a second windows laptop which I used for the imperium asset stuff 💀

[eternal perch]

the reason I migrated to Windows, basically

linux + graphics == never working

[distant stag]

Idk I wouldn't say that in general, I don't like Nvidia at all but it will take me lot more to switch to windows💀

Like this issue specifically was immediately fixed in newer unity versions, it just happened to be present in the one version zeekerss is using

[eternal perch]

Launched two instances in LAN, had to Reset UI in the second instance (windows moved out of bounds due to switching to Window mode, which we should finally fix for real btw).

[distant stag]

How would you fix the windows going out of bounds?

[eternal perch]

Two bugs happened:

1. Moon Controls for Map Obstacles got disabled for the day for the client which Reset UI.

2. Next day got a desync generation occurred. Presumably because logic state was stored in the UI components which got reset and not synced afterwards?

[eternal perch]

Listen to the window size change signal, whatever that might be in Unity; or just check position every frame / Update

[distant stag]

Well the windows are anchored to the corners, technically we could give the same anchor to all the windows

Because with some windows it doesn't happen because 0,0 on the top left can't move

[eternal perch]

I honestly have no idea how UI works in Unity, so I'm underprepared for a more technical discussion of implementation details

[distant stag]

I'll have a look tomorrow, I think the problem is not that hard to fix

[plucky granite]

How is your vacation goin?

[eternal perch]

As long as both windows and screen can be converted to some common math units, should be fine, right?

[distant stag]

Yeah I tried to make the reset UI function more light weight but I ran out of time last week

[distant stag]

Amazing, thanks for asking
But too short! Flying back tomorrow

[eternal perch]

everyday on GitHub, from what I see

[distant stag]

Bro really exposed me like that

GitHub mobile, I like to add

[distant stag]

Preferably I would like to do it with built in UI stuff, rather than doing manual positioning on resizd

I'm almost certain it's possible

[eternal perch]

In other news, Flickering Lights turned out to be slightly more involved because it is not networked in vanilla

(for now, I hijacked an existing button to trigger the code)

[distant stag]

We can just add an RPC, no?

Or a message, rather

Easy as 🎂

[eternal perch]

now I believe my friend who said Dust Pan can be $69

[plucky granite]

dw whenever Wesley goes to vacation I always get a bunch of pictures and messages of him just working on his stuff (and I'd probably do the same too lmao)

[distant stag]

[distant stag]

Well I didn't take the laptop for a reason, so all I can realistically do is comment on PRs and issues

WHICH IS A GOOD THING

[plucky granite]

YUP

You gotta enjoy life and touch grass sometimes

[distant stag]

Exactlyyy

[eternal perch]

you guys have grass in April already?

[distant stag]

I mean in all fairness, I haven't worked on imperium for months before this, it's just an unlucky clash of schedules hahaha

[eternal perch]

what grass

[distant stag]

It snowed like 5 days ago but now it's 25 degrees sunny like summer💀

Degrees Celsius if that wasn't clear

[plucky granite]

I have absolutely no idea

[eternal perch]

phew, glas not Kelvin

[eternal perch]

oh, you mean the new foilage, riiiight

yeah yeah yeah shader HRPD unity XR stuff of course

[eternal perch]

it was easy indeed https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/136

[distant stag]

Just for future reference, you can use Imperium.RoundManager, this makes it easier to track dependencies to vanilla singletons
These singletons are also guaranteed to be non-null as imperium is loaded later on

[eternal perch]

ok, updated

[eternal perch]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/137 now where's my "Brew a Coffee" button

[distant stag]

Nice, thx

[distant stag]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-back-trench-arnold-schwarzenegger-the-expendables-2-i'm-here-again-gif-2202922255595730050

[eternal perch]

wsup

or rather

hello hello heellL_Oo

[distant stag]

hahahhaha amazing

[burnt cradle]

HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO DO THIS

[eternal perch]

manually. craft. https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1433881654866477318

[distant stag]

hahaha I love this

[plucky granite]

i love this too

[errant kestrel]

Would it be fun to use Imperium to mess only with your friends? I can see why it would be bad with random people though.

[hollow granite]

perhaps

[torn bough]

is it real

[distant stag]

big imperium update coming

ALL bugs will be fixed

[torn bough]

who made this..

[distant stag]

me, long time ago

[torn bough]

[alpine glacier]

[distant stag]

btw, is the imperium fix mod you made a while back still relevant?

if not, would it be possible to deprecate it to not confuse people as to whether they need it or not?

[alpine glacier]

Afaik, yes. It's still fixing the issue where the flight keybinds are broken

[distant stag]

what exactly is the issue again?

[alpine glacier]

I'm unsure. First Imperium throws an error at startup.

Then it throws an error every time you press space or control.

I "fixed" the issue by re-binding the key to the key it's already assigned to

[distant stag]

is it just this?

https://github.com/Test-Account666/LethalCompany-ImperiumFix/blob/master/ImperiumFix/Patches/StartOfRoundPatch.cs

[alpine glacier]

Yes

That's my rudimentary fix

[distant stag]

and when exactly does this happen? because I cant remember encountering this

[alpine glacier]

It might be an issue with non-qwerty keyboards according to someone else.

But the issue appears every single boot.
Pressing space = Error
Pressing space twice = Error + Flight starts

Pressing space twice again = Just an error, you're stuck flying

[distant stag]

huh okay interesting

yeah, might be a layout problem

[eternal perch]

Press Ctrl also error.

Somehow the error is gone for me since recently.

if anyone still experiences if on latest release, can you send you save file folder?

[distant stag]

cant see the vidd

[eternal perch]

crap, my Discord CDN sometimes does that

https://ratijas.me/share/public/LC/video/2026-04-07 17-56-32 Imperium teleport spider webs.mp4

new Imperium will allow you teleport Spiders Webs

[eternal perch]

I managed to modify Unity LC project patcher gitignore to store everything meaningful in git. So now I have a git with Imperium that I can nuke, clone from fresh state, and it will launch into play mode with mods 🪄 💫

[distant stag]

damn thats amazing

[eternal perch]

Imperium (or any other mod) can be configured to copy build artifacts right into Unity project BepInEx/plugins folder, so it can be playtested right in

(disclaimer: DarnLib does not work in Unity Editor due to MMHOOKs or smth)

[bitter compass]

it does work

[eternal perch]

does it now?

last time I tried it didn't

[bitter compass]

i've been told it works and to just ignore the mmhook ignores tbh

[eternal perch]

cool then!

sharing such project would violate something-something copyright, but the instructions (as commit messages) and gitignore are pretty simple

[bitter compass]

yea

could share publicised and stripped dlls though

[eternal perch]

basically, don't do this, which project patcher adds automatically:

# Patcher specific
/[Aa]ssets/LethalCompany/Game/*
*.dll*
/AssetRipper/*
/AssetRipperOutput/*

but do add this:

# BepInEx
Lethal Company/BepInEx/cache/*

and remove /AssetRipperOutput/ because its content has been copied elsewhere

[eternal perch]

well the point is to have a personal repo setup that can be truly recreated

stripped dlls won't really help with that usecase

[distant stag]

me when nothing does anything

just pretends

[tough silo]

Has the mod been updated for the most recent version of Lethal Company (V80/81)?

[distant stag]

yes!

[tough silo]

neat, thx

[desert silo]

heyyyy imperium daddyyy

i think you were joking with the uhm fixing all bugs stuff, but do you think you will ever be able to fix bracken ai when using this mod?

or is it too hard to fix or theres another reason? hehe

not too bad but a weird issue

[distant stag]

I assume youre referring to
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/124

the thing is, I don't really know the exact problem and its pretty inconsistent I think

[desert silo]

if you spawn a bracken it doesnt work at all

and naturally spawned brackens work really weird and spam logs

someone in #modding-general just had this issue

maybe a log could help you?

its been bugged for a long time now

since v69, at least that was the first time i saw that

[pseudo field]

imperium seems to break the bracken's AI

from what i experienced, spawning a bracken or a enemy using Flowerman AI will not move unless directly hit by a player when spawned through imperium in v81

(it also spams the console with errors related to imperium so i'm assuming it's imperium)

[bitter compass]

i think a log will help em out a lot

[distant stag]

yeah I just fixed this

[bitter compass]

ah, nice

[distant stag]

it will be working in the next version

which I will hopefully be able to push in a few hours

[bitter compass]

nice holiday btw

[distant stag]

im back since yesterday

[bitter compass]

damn has it already been a week

[distant stag]

yep

[bitter compass]

time is going by faster and faster...

[pseudo field]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bird-parrot-cockatiel-Ddm5ER7Z45sIM

[eternal perch]

current challange moon is foggy art duck only

[distant stag]

I got an issue https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/74 stating (among other things) that entities spawned with Imperium aren't added to GameManager.Instance.spawnedEnemies.
I purposfully did not do that to not intervene with any vanilla systems. Should Imperium add spawned entities to this list? WDYT? @bitter compass @eternal perch

[bitter compass]

yeah 100% lmao

but i thought you fixed this

[ionic crescent]

what is GameManager

[bitter compass]

RoundManager.Instance.spawnedEnemies

this is something i reported ages ago and i remember you fixing it

bro's looking up bugs from 2 years ago 🥀

[distant stag]

well you gotta clear the list somehow

[distant stag]

what does this even do?

it doesnt mess with vanilla spawning, right?

[bitter compass]

it just stores the list of enemies that were spawned during the round

yeah it doesnt really do anything other than exist for caching purposes

[distant stag]

so why is it important that Imperium adds entities to that list?

[feral sentinel]

as of v81 i dont think that is true anymore

[distant stag]

was there a specific reason?

[bitter compass]

cuz it's faster to iterate through that than do a SphereCast

[bitter compass]

dam

fr?

[feral sentinel]

EnemyAI.Awake now sets thisEnemyIndex based on SpawnedEnemies.Length

iirc

[distant stag]

it seems like the game never uses the list, just adds to it and clears it

[feral sentinel]

which is used for certain enemies like barbers (which i digress)

[bitter compass]

well, there are places where it does iterate through the list, like manticoil? lol

[feral sentinel]

the list is used for entrance doors to show nearby activity

[distant stag]

yeah mb theres more

[feral sentinel]

and im not sure where else off the top of my head

[bitter compass]

also what is thisEnemyIndex used for?

is it just basicallyt a shortcut for getting the enemy in spawnedEnemies list? i wonder what the usecase is

[feral sentinel]

well like i said barbers use it but they are also turbo broken in vanilla

im not sure what else uses it off the top of my head

[ionic crescent]

rng offsets for things

like bee hive values

i think

[bitter compass]

was this removed? i dont see it on dnspy

oh wait no im lying im looking wrong

[feral sentinel]

actually bee hives use numberSpawned which is what causes the bug where all hives cost the same in a day

[ionic crescent]

oh

thats a dif trhing

i rember

[bitter compass]

yeah i see it, the barber with the smallest thisEnemyIndex is the master i think?

[distant stag]

the most ancient bug in this game

[feral sentinel]

yes

master selection is really broken but this is the intent

[bitter compass]

i dont think he could've written this in a worse way

[feral sentinel]

absolutely he couldnt have

because it doesnt even work

[distant stag]

idk he has a thing for using for loops in weird ways

[bitter compass]

lol

[feral sentinel]

every time barbers spawn all of them re-select the master and they totally brick if any of them disagree on who the master is

[bitter compass]

my issue, if he's looking for the smallest barber index, just loop through the damn spawnedEnemies and the first one is the lowest 😭

[feral sentinel]

even though the first barber spawn should always be the master

i refactored it in barberfixes

[bitter compass]

but yeah, @distant stag you should be fine modifying this when spawning enemies (and you probably SHOULD be)

[eternal perch]

by the way, should we patch Gunkfish? it also selects master fish which dictates players to be slippery

[distant stag]

the thing is, funny enough every entity does add itself to RoundManager.Instance.SpawnedEnemies

but only on non-hosts (this is from EnemyAI.Start()

what

[bitter compass]

@feral sentinel i was wrong, he CAN write it worse

why is there an array sort if he's gonna be looping through the whole thing im genuinely confused what he's doing

[ionic crescent]

can i ask why the fuck this exists

[bitter compass]

maybe i just need to pay more attention to it

[feral sentinel]

hosts add it in SpawnEnemyGameObject

[eternal perch]

))0))0))00)

[feral sentinel]

he added this to EnemyAI.Start() presumablt because hosts would be the only ones with functional near activity detection otherwise

[bitter compass]

he does have a habit of doing things faster in host than clients and therefore adding it to clients in a roundabout way

[distant stag]

btu why even? why couldn't he just do it in EnemyAI.Start() on both host and clients?

[feral sentinel]

but funny enough masked dont call base.Start()

so masked only work for hosts

[distant stag]

[feral sentinel]

with entrance doors

[feral sentinel]

well he did the host thing first and added the client thing later

i think

is why it's so weird

[distant stag]

but he could have totally done it in EnemyAI.Start() everywhere, no? its not used for any server logic or anything

also, I just want yall to appreciate this functionality. whenever a non-server calls this function, the network object of the prefab of the first enemy of the current moon is returned

[feral sentinel]

oh wow. sounds really useful

[bitter compass]

lol

i can sort of see why this is tbh

[distant stag]

thie never happens btw

[bitter compass]

i dont know what would happen if he returned null

[distant stag]

its a fallback "just in case"

[bitter compass]

yeah

[distant stag]

universe would die

[feral sentinel]

now my plugin for printing the name of the first enemy to spawn that only works for clients can use SpawnEnemyGameObject

[bitter compass]

it should probably be logging stuff though if a client triggered that function 💀

[distant stag]

well if he didnt add this check, it would just fail at the Spawn() call

[feral sentinel]

well what im saying is since the host is the only one doing the spawning he probably only put it there since he didnt think clients needed it

but later he started using it in stuff like AIs and entrance door detection

so he did the client thing as a bandaid fix and left host as is

maybe he was afraid it'd break something if he removed it

i have no idea

[distant stag]

yeah I can see that

I think this is a pretty good analysis of how most of the code probably came to be

[eternal perch]

I found a bug in SpiderAI maxWebTrapsToPlace, but I don't see any way to abuse it, at least not in single player

Due to an off-by-one error and inconsistent checks

webTraps.Count > maxWebTrapsToPlace
webTraps.Count < maxWebTrapsToPlace

it is theoretically possible that waitOnWallTimer will never run out, and spider won't switch from state 1 to state 0.

[feral sentinel]

another minor thing i'd like to see tweaked

#1225942840282976316 message

this is still a problem for weed killer

i think not having to shake the spray paint is fine (since you can just shake it 6 times after it spawns and then you never have to shake it again anyway)

but weed killer is specifically supposed to fire in these bursts

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/blob/00c39afb2e5d8afc2c7270f1e855af36d034662c/Imperium/src/Patches/Objects/SprayPaintItemPatch.cs#L20
this line just needs to check !__instance.isWeedKillerSprayBottle

[eternal perch]

edit: remove /AssetRipperOutput/ folder

[eternal perch]

It does work.

I couldn't explain why, so I printf-debugged it. Apparently, it is important for weed killer to be able to run out of its sprayCanShakeMeter, because when it runs out, it stops, and when it stops it resets addVehicleHPInterval back to 0 but only if tryingToUseEmptyCan is set, which funny enough is set in PlayCanEmptyEffect

Currently, if you don't let the spray paint run out of sprayCanShakeMeter, it will take longer for the addVehicleHPInterval to run down to 0, which is another way for it to reset.

[feral sentinel]

the vehicle HP thing is another problem

zeekerss uses Time.deltaTime in a function which only runs every 0.1s which makes adding turbo boosts to the cruiser really weird and inconsistent

i have a fix for that in weedkillerfixes but i didn't even realize it was also getting reset when the spray burst was over

given that that's the case, this is even more of an issue, because if you hold the spray button down (which only works with imperium's battery patch) it takes forever for weed killer to work on the cruiser

[eternal perch]

yea, I pieced it together. that was quite a spaghetti to go through

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/76#issuecomment-4202622223

also that explains how it is bound to FPS. higher fps == slower cycle, because it accumulates timeDelta every 0.1 second.

[eternal perch]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/142

[distant stag]

Imperium v1.3.0 - Regular Update

This update tackles a number of long-standing bugs alongside several frequently requested features. The biggest change under the hood is a rework of the object explorer's multiplayer functionality, which is now far more robust against desync and network latency: updates are only sent when objects actually change, the explorer refreshes periodically to stay in sync, and RPCs are more consistently routed through the host for better access control.

Modded outdoor and indoor hazards added by LLL and DawnLib are now fully supported as well, so network-aware modded hazards will work out of the box. Oracle has also been updated to correctly predict entities in v81.

General Changes

• Reworked the map obstacle section in the moon control window.
• Added a button to flicker the lights.
• Added a button to remove the slippery surfaces / gunk from the stingray.
• Added an option to disable culling in the rendering window.
• Added an optiont to disable the new indoor fog in the rendering window.
• Updated oracle to correctly predict entities in v81.
• Removed permadrunk functionality from the control center.
• Added button to enable noclip while flying to the control center.
• Added support for modded outside hazards with network objects.

Bug Fixes

• Fixed a bug that made it so locking doors toggled the lock instead.
• Teleporting a player now applies the correct audio reverb preset.
• The apparatus teleport button now correctly targets an apparatus inside the facility.
• Fixed a bug that caused Imperium's lock blocks to misalign sometimes.
• Fixed a bug that caused speedy shovel to not work anymore.
• Fixed outdated information about indoor map hazards in the info window.
• Fixed a bug that made spider webs impossible to teleport or destroy in the object explorer.
• Spider webs are now cleaned up properly when a spider is destroyed in the object explorer.
• Fixed a bug that made it possible for the resolution slider to go below 0.
• Fixed a bug that caused the game's resolution to ignore the resolution slider in the object explorer.
• Fixed object explorer related bugs that prevented certain items from being toggled or toggle desync in general.
• Fixed a bug that caused brackens to break when spawned indoors.
• Fixed Infinite Battery causing the weed killer to fill up the cruiser slower.
• Despawning a bee hive now also despawns the bees the hive belongs to.

QoL Improvements

• Added terminal codes to landmines, turrets and security doors in the object explorer.
• Made it so the position / teleport indicator points exactly to the screen center.
• The object explorer is now updating periodically to account for desync and network latency.
• The object manager now only sends object updates when objects have actually changed.
• Removed the respawn button for spider webs as it didn't do anything.
• Object RPCs are now more consistently routed through the host, improving access control.
• Renamed "Full Auto" shotgun option to "No Cooldown".

Compatibility

This version is compatible with v81 of Lethal Company.

[alpine glacier]

Is the error spam with keybinds fixed aswell?

[distant stag]

not yet, sorry

I have not been able to replicate it on my setup

[alpine glacier]

Buy a german keyboard

[distant stag]

funnily enough I do have a swiss keyboard, but it has US layout

[alpine glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rise-of-skywalker-rey-star-wars-lightsaber-gif-14871894

[pseudo field]

https://giphy.com/gifs/basketball-playing-L0tyXItkpejEA

[eternal perch]

the issue is gone on my end too, not sure what can I do to make it manifest again

[eternal perch]

if it is still happening with the latest version of everything, can you share your game saves folder? also, move it away (rename to .backup or something), and try from a fresh start

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/149

[bitter compass]

@distant stag hey zeekerss can you get rid of your log spam

constant

[distant stag]

well its debug

just disable debug, no?

[bitter compass]

💀

i need my debug logs too

[distant stag]

nuh uh

[bitter compass]

yuh uh

[desert silo]

Maybu uh

https://tenor.com/view/arrow-loser-above-up-gif-21639973

[distant stag]

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-549184224117281305

[eternal perch]

tbf it's not that trivial to be granular about which mods get to use debug level and which don't?

Normally I'd say that belongs to Trace level, but we don't have trace level in BepInEx

[bitter compass]

i think if im debugging and a mod im used for debugging is spamming my logs, no matter where it is, im gonna have an issue

[eternal perch]

true

[distant stag]

cant you like filter log sources anyways?

i would assume youre not using the bepinex console in real-time to debug

[eternal perch]

idea 💡 can we do a little status / pulse animation in UI, and trigger it every time an update comes? that would be so cool

[bitter compass]

i am because what are you using lol

im not gonna generate the whole thing, close my game, THEN look at it

slow and inefficient

[distant stag]

there is software specifically to read logs in real time

or you can just open it in VSCode

[bitter compass]

that isnt updating in realtime though

[distant stag]

it is

[bitter compass]

that updates whenever i ask it to update no?

[distant stag]

i am not sure if its enabled by default but there is definitely a way to make it auto update

thats what I am doing most of the time

[bitter compass]

maybe ill look into that, still doesnt mean i can cull imperium spamming logs though afaik anyway

[bitter compass]

there's also the fact that i dont want user sent logs to just only be filled with imperium

[distant stag]

not in vscode, you'd have to search with Ctrl+F, otherwise you could use something like lnav to filter

[bitter compass]

this is weather registry spamming warning logs all over again 😭

[distant stag]

yeah im not saying i will leave it in haha, i was just wondering how you do it

[bitter compass]

yeah i get it, atleast its not per frame

i think the puma does taht rn

actually annoying

[distant stag]

yeahhh

[bitter compass]

i dont like installing mods that cull logs because it's never gone well lol

[distant stag]

idk I have never used a mod like that before

usually I just search for the mod name with Ctrl+F and then go through the results

or I use lnav

[bitter compass]

Ctrl+F is usually what i do, and honestly bepinex console can break with Ctrl+F, ig im too lazy to find another alternative (it does mean i gotta have another application open and with unity, 3 vsc's, streaming in vc, youtube, etc i dont think my pc will like another 💀)

[feral sentinel]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/falcodxb/LessLogs/

historically i have just used this to disable log levels for specific mods

you could disable debug logs for specifically imperium with this

[feral sentinel]

though that's kind of unideal for this

[limber ice]

I'm unsure if this is just a me thing, but does Imperium not load correctly on v81? Been trying to load it up and it just says "failure to launch, shutting down." In a lobby by myself btw and I am the host. Are there other mods that conflict with it?

Furthermore, is there a way to customize the welcome message or is that not featured yet?

[dark heath]

there is a checkbox to disable it but it doesn't work

[eternal perch]

which Imperium version? logs?

[dark heath]

at least it didn't last time i checked

[limber ice]

I am currently on 1.30, the latest one. I'm going to try exporting my mod profile and just re-downloading it, hopefully that works too. GenImprovements is also not registering so it could be something on my end

[eternal perch]

what's 1.30?

[limber ice]

The latest version of Imperium is 1.30

1.3.0*

[eternal perch]

logs please

[limber ice]

You're going to need to be more specific

[eternal perch]

send game logs please. do you know where to find that? "C:\Users\<user>\AppData\LocalLow\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\Player.log"

[limber ice]

Oh sure! Let me try searching for it

[eternal perch]

or, like, just the relevant part where the error happened

[limber ice]

Want me to DM it? @eternal perch

[eternal perch]

sure, if you don't wanna upload here

[limber ice]

Kk sent it on over

I appreciate the help, been a while since I've done modded

[eternal perch]

turned out to be not an Imperium bug

[limber ice]

An older version of matty's fixes conflicted with it but it got recently updated, so we'll see how well it goes

[limber ice]

Update, the new matty fixes works with imperium now!

[eternal perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa_LSL_I1kQ

@proper oyster explains how to use Imperium (previous version), and at 11:20 shows how to deal with Culling. Since the latest version 1.3.0 there is a checkbox in the Rendering window to toggle Culling now.

damn, the last section of the video could really make use of that

[proper oyster]

Very much so. I recorded this the day before Gio released that update

[eternal perch]

no hard promises, but I thing there will be more bug fixes and UI improvements later this week. For example, we had a prototype of help labels in Freecam mode, so you don't have to explain what is scrollwheel, or what arrows do

[distant stag]

Hahaha we were in vc testing the new update when I told him about the culling thing but he already recorded these parts
Unfortunate timing

[alpine glacier]

Is there a keybind to get off-screen items back on screen?

[distant stag]

no, this will be fixed in the future

for now, there is a button to reset the ui in preferences

[eternal perch]

(keep in mind, resetting ui mid-day breaks a lot of stuff, so only do that while in orbit, and maybe re-host for good measure)

[burnt cradle]

Hey so I forgot which layer did this but when you are in freecam and hit the L key

what layer is it that removes the first person arms?

cuz the first person arms mesh together with the third person arms

I mean these arms btw, these ones

oh god

[dark heath]

it's Water

but in my experience it only sometimes removes the arms

[burnt cradle]

water.

[dark heath]

i really dont know whats up with that

sometimes it's on the default layer

[burnt cradle]

Debbi lemme get this straight

Zeekers

our

beautiful dev

Zeekerss

of all layers

of all the beautiful layers of cake

he put the arms

ON THE WATER LAYER

[dark heath]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt cradle]

[bitter compass]

any issue in the universe:
"why would zeekerss do this"

[burnt cradle]

You know what

Zeekerss Jank

Yeah you're right its not disabling fuck

[dark heath]

it must be on default then

[tight wharf]

lol wtf

[dark heath]

you might have to restart the game until it changes

[burnt cradle]

damnit

[dark heath]

but i dont know if that fixes it, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnt

[burnt cradle]

Imperium is weird

[dark heath]

i would recommend just using NicheTweaks to disable the arms though

[bitter compass]

personally this is the mod i use for freecam lol

[burnt cradle]

but you can delete the fog with Imperium

[dark heath]

i like that one but its pretty limited

[bitter compass]

i've never had a situation where i wanted that honestly

[burnt cradle]

and me no likey fog in thumbnail unless im making one similar to the brutal translated video

[dark heath]

you cant change movement speed, fov, move up/down, and it wasn't able to show trees last time i tried it

[bitter compass]

but also ig i know how to disable the fog myself if i wanted to

[bitter compass]

oh weird, trees werent shown? lol

[dark heath]

it may have been a conflict in my recording modpack, i dont know for sure

[bitter compass]

i blame zeekerss

[dark heath]

same!

[alpine glacier]

Disable all layers and see what happens

https://klipy.com/gifs/earth-globe-4

[hollow granite]

I just disabled them through Unity Explorer one time I think

[dark heath]

yeah thats what ive been doing recently too, its really handy

because you dont have to restart the game to show them again like with nichetweaks

unityexplorer is also great for forcefully hiding the hud (especially spectator hud)

[alpine glacier]

Btw, any plans on improving the collider visualization?

I've been in a lot of scenarios where I added, scaled or moved colliders and the visualization didn't follow or appear in the first place

For example, I added a trigger collider to Blast Doors in one of my mods.

I was unable to properly debug it, because I couldn't see it (And I couldn't test in the editor)

[distant stag]

uh

i mean if you just add random colliders it wont be visualized

like why would it? i cant visualize literally every collider in the game, no?

[alpine glacier]

What rules do you use to decide which can be visualized?

[distant stag]

there are multiple

you can check it out in Core/Visualization.cs I think

[hollow granite]

slap a cube mesh filter and mesh renderer on it with the renderer turned off, then use Unity Explorer to toggle it (idk if this would work but I don't see why it wouldn't)

[distant stag]

I mean if you want, you can always use Imperium API to visualize any objects

[balmy scroll]

it might be ModelReplacementAPI that moves the arms to water

[dark heath]

hmm that might just be it

[alpine glacier]

What has changed?

[eternal perch]

if i were you, I'd look around

[hollow granite]

https://tenor.com/view/snapcube-shadow-president-something-just-happened-gif-8907614063649508489

[distant stag]

thats up to you to find out!

[eternal perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fafo-findout-fuckaround-fuckaroundandfindout-you-gif-26826252

[eternal perch]

since StoreRotationConfig is not yet updated, I'll have to go with this method for my furniture mod for now.

this is minor inconvenience, but I wonder which code generated cfg with comments, and which omits them

[alpine glacier]

BepInEx makes these comments, no? 🤔

[eternal perch]

are you implying that something writes these configs at runtime which is not bepinex?

[alpine glacier]

You never know

[eternal perch]

I would understand if comments were generated by a mod manager, but IIUC this config in unity project has never been touched by any mod manager

[sly gorge]

is it possible to select a interior you want to see with imperium?

[distant stag]

in moon manager you can force an interior yes

[sly gorge]

thx

[limber ice]

I may have glanced over the answer in my time here, but is there/will there be an option to change the "greetings padawan" message as you load into a lobby w/Imperium?

[distant stag]

uhh I am actually unsure

it might be that I added a config that is not in the UI

so maybe you can change it in the config editor

[limber ice]

Like in TS file config or lethalconfig?

[distant stag]

either

its the same

[limber ice]

I can load it up/double check rn standby

Also just wanted to say a huge thanks for the Imperium mod overall. Has helped me bug test a lot as well as host some fun runs with my friends! ❤️

Okay, so I see the "enable custom welcome" mod lets you choose true/false, but I don't see a way to customize said welcome. I'll keep digging

Yeah I don't see the option yet!

[distant stag]

are you checking in the imperium configs?

[distant stag]

thanks, I appreciate the feedback

[limber ice]

I believe so. I'm going into

Thunderstore
Edit Config
Imperium.cfg
Edit Config
I don't see the option, unless I'm looking in the wrong place

Haven't modded for a bit so I could be missing it

[distant stag]

okay yeah it might be that I never added it

is there a reason why you don't want it?

[limber ice]

Oh no it's not that I don't want the greeting, I just think it would be a cool idea to change the words of the greeting

Customized for the user per se

Like instead of "greetings padawan" it would be like "welcome retro" for example

Maybe I'm not phrasing it right. I basically want to keep the greeting, but change the words in the greeting itself

[distant stag]

ohh, well no there is no option for that

[limber ice]

-# yet?

[distant stag]

maybe theres another mod that does that tho? I don't know any tho

if you really want you can make an issue in github

and i can add it

not that big of a deal probs

[limber ice]

Oof lemme see if I remember my login. I wouldn't call it an issue, more of a cool QoL interface feature

[distant stag]

yeah you can label it as such

like [Feature Request] ... or similar

[limber ice]

Lemme dig into it for sure

Just got to print out these screws for my helmet first

Got it! I believe I sent it in.

[mellow fjord]

can we PLEASE have a standalone real time clock mod

[eternal perch]

would a website work? https://ratijas.me/lc

[mellow fjord]

?

i aint clicking that

[eternal perch]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

you think modern web browsers have worse security context than installing random mods from thunderstore

[mellow fjord]

yes

my brother once got a damn bloatware virus from gamejolt

no warnings

and i try to download scp containment breach and it gives me a virus wanring

FROM THE OFFICIAL WEBSTIE

but that was one day

[eternal perch]

imagine getting viruses from websites in big 26

[distant stag]

they be using the chrome zerodays for adware thesedays

[eternal perch]

time to switch to ladybirb

[mellow fjord]

promise me you are not a nigerian prince

[eternal perch]

@silent river is Imperator, so imma be a price alright

[silent river]

what

[mellow fjord]

?

[distant stag]

im joking

[eternal perch]

what if I'm not

this is legitimately one of the songs in my mod btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQsQy6XaDno

[dark heath]

im pretty sure RandomizedTexts by tomatobird has it as an option, but it just gets overridden by imperium's message

[distant stag]

ahahaha rip 💀

[eternal perch]

with that said, a webapp is not integrated with the game at all, and requires manual start/stop.

was made with Qt and Web Assembly for the sake of the game; not even very usable on mobile

[distant stag]

Wouldn't it have been easier to just write a single html file?

Or is there more to it than just the timer?

[eternal perch]

you missed the "for the sake of the game" part, and "game" was not referring to Lethal Company

[distant stag]

Doing it for the love of the game

Fair enough, yeah I thought you meant lethal at first 😂

[eternal perch]

and i missed the correct way to spell the idiom, huh

we love the company, the companey, the copmayne

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[eternal perch]

I stared into the abyss of ship take off & landing animations, and the abyss stared back at me.

many entry points, need to skip WaitForSeconds and bump&restore animation speed, methods can be normal and coroutines etc

what if we combined both existing checkboxes, and the upcoming "Instant Route" (feature request #66) into one control? does anyone have a usecase for them being separate

[hollow granite]

The instant landing and instant takeoff toggles? Maybe if the moon has some trick jump you can do when landing (like Assurance)? You might want to have the landing be normal to try the jump but leave instantly. I feel like as someone who's made moons and some with a "landing jump" I might could see keeping them separate.

Or, the animations are a bit different iirc. I think I once had terrain cut into the ship on takeoff but not landing so testing with instant landing but normal takeoff was nice to reshape the terrain

though I guess in both cases you could just toggle it on/off as needed if it was combined into one toggle

[eternal perch]

what about Instant Route then? if those two are separate, then it would be separate as well

[hollow granite]

instant route sounds like a great feature. In my opinion, regardless of if the takeoff/landing is combined or not I would think the route would be separate. Because I feel like checking how a moon looks during takeoff/landing or just playing a whole normal day on a moon makes sense in development, but the wait to route really doesn't relate to the moon development/testing if that makes sense. It's just an arbitrary wait time that's not even a part of the gameplay on a moon.
And, yes, if it was all combined in one checkbox you could check and uncheck it as needed but that would mean opening the menu and toggling it a few times when it might be nicer to just have them set how you need and just run with that

[distant stag]

like we do instant everything?

we can also add a toggle that skips ALL waitforseconds calls in the game

[distant stag]

but whats wrong with it now? isnt it currently working on dev?

[eternal perch]

it sort of works, but I can't even tell for sure how and why. For example, there are duplicate patches for the same methods

I was trying to make it make sense. And then I realized not everything is a coroutine, so I can't wrap them in the same manner. And even if they were we'd still have to add a custom WaitForSecond until the 1000x animation finishes

[distant stag]

kinda wanna do this now fr, is there a way to patch arbitrary code? im sure theres some way to patch all functions in a loop and look for waitforseconds, right?

[eternal perch]

you already have a (currently broken for reasons unknown) transpiler

[distant stag]

but why not just leave it like it is? isnt it good enough? I mean i guess it could always be better

[eternal perch]

"we could do better" is pretty much the goal rn

[distant stag]

but it doesnt transpile every waitforSeconds call, right?

okay okay

[eternal perch]

and to accommodate Instant Route

[distant stag]

technically we could just transpile waitForSeconds to always immediately yield

no more waiting

i wonder how much of the code would break honestly

like i think sometimes he does rely on stuff happening during waiting

without checks

like using setTimeout in react to wait for it to complete one draw cycle

[eternal perch]

Real question, for the sake of the game of Instant ship animations:

What else ship animator is used for? Any downsides to leaving it at 1000x, and audio muted, if Instant checkbox is checked?

[eternal perch]

I'm not sure what's up with it. I checked IL code, and it looks like it should've worked. needs debugging, idk how tho.

The problem with Unity animations is like with CSS animations: you can start/trigger them, but you have no idea when an animation finishes. Right?

[distant stag]

are there no callbacks? i thought there was a way to know

i think you are always able to start a coroutine that checks a variable every frame though that tells you whether the animation is done or the animator is in a specific state

I think

[eternal perch]

well, starting a coroutine which would wait for 0.5s and then reset ship speed and unmute audios is pretty much how I was gonna implement the resetting

not sure if there is a way to check for state, as an alternative to wait for 0.5s.

the thing with vanilla is, even though we skip WaitForSeconds, there is also a yield return null in a loop that implements an audio fade out, so that probably helps with skipping the 1000x animation

[distant stag]

hmm okay

couldnt we just replicate the yield return null aswell?

[eternal perch]

i mean, we don't quite have to. and it's still there, yielding as pass through

[distant stag]

okay

[distant stag]

what do you think of the new theme btw?

[eternal perch]

side note: in WebAudio you'd use a GainNode, and schedule its gain parameter with linearRampToValueAtTime() which is not a coroutine. In Unity I can't find any equivalent API, so Zeekers' loop with volume -= 0.05f is pretty reasonable

[eternal perch]

50 Shades of Imperium? might as well be my new favorite. Is it completely non-translucent though?

[distant stag]

yeah its my fav too

[eternal perch]

git diff is not quite diffing, but looking at the code... yes, opaque

[distant stag]

uhh I am not actually sure, I copied it from imperium repo, it might be that i made them all non-translucent at some point

might be better to make them all non-translucent then

wdyt?

[eternal perch]

moreover, it's the only one with fully opaque background rn

[distant stag]

yeah

[eternal perch]

i think it should be like the rest. i like the ability to peek through windows

(it's one of my favorite tricks on desktop in general. I have Meta+scroll wheel bound to window transparency both on Windows and Plasma)

[distant stag]

but window transparency in general or just when moving them?

[eternal perch]

both lol

[distant stag]

okay, yeah I can make the new theme slightly transparent

[eternal perch]

I was a bit annoyed when everything started adding blur on desktops

[distant stag]

I have it in my hyprland config that windows are slightly transparent when they dont have the focus

but they are not truly transparent I think, they show a blurry version of the wallaper, not whats actually behind them

which I quite enjoy

[eternal perch]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/158

[distant stag]

i already commited this hahaha

but I think i wanna adjust the transparency of some themes

i think the purple one is too transparent

[eternal perch]

doesn't count unless it's been pushed!

[distant stag]

[distant stag]

can I merge your other PR?

or is this still WIP

[eternal perch]

Utils: Remove unused transpiler #156 ? merge

[distant stag]

yes okay

[distant stag]

what about this one? have you experienced issues?

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/153

also this: https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/151

[eternal perch]

looking

[eternal perch]

Speedy Shovel is the same deal as ship animation: animation needs to run for a bit before its speed can be reset

[distant stag]

hmm okay

[eternal perch]

relevant: https://discussions.unity.com/t/how-to-wait-for-an-animation-to-finish/731662

[distant stag]

I am not sure how feasible the first one is and the second one might not be generic enough

but second and third sound the most promising imo

[eternal perch]

First time looking into metarig player animator layered spaghetti: god help us all

(yes, I am aware it is completely normal for a character in video games)

[eternal perch]

I think I solved it with

    private static int ShovelReelUpHash = Animator.StringToHash("ShovelReelUp");
    private static int HitShovelHash= Animator.StringToHash("HitShovel");

        yield return new WaitUntil(() =>
        {
            AnimatorStateInfo stateInfo = animator.GetCurrentAnimatorStateInfo(layerIndex);
            var hash = stateInfo.shortNameHash;
            return hash != ShovelReelUpHash && hash != HitShovelHash;
        });
        SpeedyShovelReset(self.playerHeldBy);

[eternal perch]

don't look at the github. I'm cooking a shitpost

[feral sentinel]

some things about the item spawning which irk me:

1. as of v80+, spawning an item into your inventory no longer updates the weight display (so even though im carrying a shovel that weighs 14lbs, and my movement speed is reduced, the screen still reads "0lbs")
2. this is an old issue (been an issue as long as i can possibly remember), but the first time you drop an item after spawning it, it doesn't make any noise when hitting the ground

[distant stag]

yeah this has to do with the weird logic how I do the spawning of an item inside the inventory of a player

might have to rework that entirely

[eternal perch]

nevermind, the shitpost mis-rendered

anyway https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/160

[distant stag]

lets goo

amazing

[eternal perch]

I think we can do even better by moving all the if-else logic into reelUpShovelPatch, and getting rid of ItemActivate patch entirely

[eternal perch]

blender doesn't wanna blend right

[distant stag]

BAHAHHHA

wfter who points them out?

[eternal perch]

@proper oyster this guy said speedy shovel doesn't work in the latest video

[proper oyster]

😳

[distant stag]

ohh its alter ego from youtube! i really like the AI behind videos!!! when are you publishing AI behind jeb?? :D || ||

[eternal perch]

AI behind jeb behind counter

[proper oyster]

As soon as the list is finished

[distant stag]

its fine thanks to @eternal perch were down to like 21 issues

[eternal perch]

I think he meant the list of enemies lol

[proper oyster]

Ahh rajitas so you’re the one gio’s been talking about

You’re a legend

[eternal perch]

goddaymn i'm famous

[distant stag]

ahahahhaahh

[distant stag]

weve been referencing the Imperium issues list as the list ever since I have been procastinating to work on it since like 2024

[eternal perch]

oh wow, insider memes

[ionic crescent]

[eternal perch]

Possible null reference exception after deleting items in Object Explorer:

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
Imperium.Interface.ImperiumUI.Windows.ObjectExplorer.ObjectExplorerWindow.RefreshEntries () (at <fbbc061154f54daa8eca6f6752195785>:IL_0000)
Imperium.Core.Lifecycle.ObjectManager.RefreshLevelObjects () (at <fbbc061154f54daa8eca6f6752195785>:IL_0398)
Imperium.Core.Lifecycle.ObjectManager.Update () (at <fbbc061154f54daa8eca6f6752195785>:IL_000D)

(why is the IL pointer zero? that's just IL_0000: ldarg.0)

I'm not familiar with ImperiumWindow lifecycle though

[distant stag]

i think this might be fine

i think it can happen when the despawn command has been sent but it hasnt despawned yet

i think the IL_0000 might be a bug

[eternal perch]

nah

that's another one of Reset UI bugs

I performed Reset UI before that happened

[distant stag]

oh damn

[distant stag]

but it does happen after deleting items,no?

[eternal perch]

I mean it does remove the item. It's just yes another dangling event handler

[distant stag]

hmm okay interesting

does it always happen after resetting the UI?

[eternal perch]

yes

[distant stag]

okay interesting

[ruby robin]

Hey @distant stag! I’ve run into a conflict between Imperium and the LethalCompanyVariables (LCV) mod in the latest game version. I contacted the creator of LCV (the_ansuz on Discord) to report the issue and it looks like both mods are trying to patch the same methods, specifically PlotOutEnemiesForNextHour and SetNewProfitQuota.

LCV is throwing a warning that it’s finding unexpected indexes, and then Imperium shuts down right after. Here is the specific snippet from my console:

[Warning:Configurable Company Variables] Unexpected index for patch PlotOutEnemiesForNextHour_Transpiler#158 Got 122 but was expecting 83
[Error :Configurable Company Variables] Unable to patch LCV.Patch.RoundManagerPatch: IL Compile Error (unknown location)
[Message: Imperium] < [ERR] Imperium startup failed: IL Compile Error (unknown location) >

If you want I can provide the log entries from Imperium as well (I would need to send them as a text file).

Ansuz wasn't quite sure how Imperium handles these exceptions or if there's a specific way to make the patches play nice together. Would you be open to taking a look or talking to Ansuz about a fix?

[distant stag]

Interesting, this is how my patch looks like for PlotOutEnemiesForNextHour

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/blob/3e465047b02db3dcdb1f59a309c001bbed9b0c5f/Imperium/src/Patches/Systems/RoundManagerPatch.cs#L200

I basically skip it whenever indoor spawning is paused

maybe this is the problem? It would be possible to patch something further down the line if its not fixable from @hearty hatch 's side

[hearty hatch]

Hallooo, I see you are not using a transpiler but rather just a prefix, im not sure why does this cause an error in the IL... maybe its pushing a variable into the stack shifting it and thus causing an issue

im not sure what approach to follow to handle compatibility, let me try a few things

and let me also share the code too

[distant stag]

sounds good

[eternal perch]

Window object itself is == null. Because Unity objects can be null internally

[distant stag]

but I thoguth everything is reset when imperium resets

does it work when you quit the game (to main menu) and then start a new one? this should be roughly the same flow iirc

[eternal perch]

it comes from Imperium.ObjectManager.CurrentLevelObjectsChanged += RefreshEntries. does the ObjectManager get recreated too?

[distant stag]

hmmm maybe not in the refresh tbh

because now that I think of it, thats Disable + Enable

I guess we could add a -=

to that

you can see all of the main lifecycle logic in Imperium.cs

[hearty hatch]

this is the current code

[distant stag]

hmm

[distant stag]

I think the problem is that I kinda short circuit the method by returning false in the patch, so this index you are looking for might no longer exist?

I am no expert with transpilers at all though, @eternal perch might have more insight here

[hearty hatch]

my method should lookup for the instruction stloc.2 regardless of its index

[eternal perch]

well I can rewrite a transpiler to something simpler

[hearty hatch]

your method might add new instructions but as long as the stack remains the same there shouldn't be any problems with the prefix

[eternal perch]

this one is ready btw, bullet proof now https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/160

[distant stag]

we do a little forcing

[hearty hatch]

fixed, now both mods are compatible :)

[distant stag]

oh, how did you manage to fix it?

[eternal perch]

I've been investigating this coroutine for hours. going afk to actually play the damn game

[distant stag]

ahahaha have fun!

hopefully youre more successful getting them quotas

[hearty hatch]

I... am not sure

[distant stag]

classic

well it works, so we don't question it

[eternal perch]

unless there is a good reason for iterative review, I prefer force-pushing final ready version of patches

[distant stag]

yeah fair enough

[eternal perch]

@distant stag would you like me to make a meta-issue for all the issues caused by Reset UI?

[distant stag]

yeah I think that would be good, I'll rework the reloading mechanic overall

and how the UI is spanwed, so we don't have to reset all of imperium every time

[bitter compass]

that's all imperium logging btw

[fervent lion]

this logs on debug every 1 second and drive me insane when debugging, i use async to block it

counter intuition... break logging to udnerstand logging

[eternal perch]

excessive logging has been removed in development branch: https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/commit/652080a55ba1dadebefa881fce1e3aff88b87364

you can build Imperium from source, it's pretty trivial

[fervent lion]

imperium... i know what youve done, but i dont feel like explaining it... thats all

[eternal perch]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/162

next one

[eternal perch]

Close as "fixed at some point in the past":

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/60

[eternal perch]

this one is a low-hanging fruit, unless it is "by-design". IMHO Night Vision outdoors can be pretty useful.

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/53

[eternal perch]

Setting Light.intensity at start does not work because... HDRP wants you to use HDAdditionalLightData?? Doesn't make any sense that it works during the rest of its lifecycle.

apparently, HDAdditionalLightData component will be added for you regardless

[eternal perch]

Changing intensity of Light does not affect HDAdditionalLightData, but

changing intensity of HDAdditionalLightData DOES change intensity of Light .

To make it more confusing, things has been shuffled around and deprecated in later Unity / HDRP versions

And apparently 1 HD Additional Light intensity = 0.07957747 Light intensity units

[distant stag]

yes in hdrp you always have this component

and the component regulates all the lights

same with cameras

they also have some HDAdditionalCameraData component

[eternal perch]

somewhat makes sense

except the fact that OOP inheritance exists

and not used for its primary purpose in the slightest here

aaanyway

[distant stag]

probably for the better

[eternal perch]

so that's 1 / (4 * π) factor, and the inverse would be just (4 * π)

disabling/enabling HDAdditionalLightData does nothing apart from a weird brief blinking, so you still have to disable "vanilla" Light itself. but set intensity on HDAdditionalLightData. huh

[distant stag]

i think it probably only turns off for a second, no?

[eternal perch]

disabling HDAdditionalLightData turns off the light for, like, one frame. but I haven't measured it or validated through hooks/logs.

either way, kinda pointless

[eternal perch]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/164

[sand thunder]

Imperium broken again

[eternal perch]

how so?

[sand thunder]

probably the hotfix gamepatch from like 12 hours ago

it just refuses to load at all

[eternal perch]

I patched the new version today, installed Imperium into it, and it worked right inside Unity Editor. So that can't be true.

What's the actual error you are getting, from the logs? What's the modpack? It is reproducible on a pure modpack with Imperium and its dependencies only?

[sand thunder]

i can try these things in a few minutes

perhaps tmi broke more than just itself? idk

yea ok without tmi it works so all good

[mellow fjord]

why a website tho

ok its not a mod

[eternal perch]

what's tmi

[sand thunder]

too many emote sry

tme

flipp updated it tho, gale just needs to pick it up

[eternal perch]

can you check the logs to see what's broken, and tell if it's an Imperium bug or not, please? It's confusing

[sand thunder]

no its all fine dont worry too many emotes just wasnt updated yet and apparently broke imperium aswell. its all working just fine without too many emotes and gale still hasnt picked up the update for too many emotes

[eternal perch]

finally dared to open a sus link?

[mellow fjord]

yes

im a big boy now

[fluid forge]

u said the naughty digital currency word, I'm telling mom

[eternal perch]

alerts working as intended, i see

[mellow fjord]

now make it a mod trust

[eternal perch]

ok i'm on it, making a mod with a trojan to [[TRANSFER]] all ur [[KROMER]]

[mellow fjord]

rude

[eternal perch]

isn't LCBetterClock doing what you want?

It does have "Faster clock ui update rate" as one of its selling points

[ionic crescent]

question since im not that much of a C# knower

HUDManager.SetClock was changed from string to void at some point, would that impact LCBetterClock using it

i would assume it would need to be recompiled but iono

[eternal perch]

the return type?

[burnt cradle]

I hope somebody makes a fork of it

[ionic crescent]

ya

[eternal perch]

It got changed in v81:

-    public string SetClock(float timeNormalized, float numberOfHours, bool createNewLine = true)
+    public void SetClock(float timeNormalized, float numberOfHours, bool createNewLine = true)

arguments haven't changed though. And HarmonyPostfix patch doesn't have __result magic parameter.

Looks like should be fine, unless there is an IL command to discard string value in the PostfixMoveTimeOfDay patch that calls HUDManager.Instance.SetClock ?

yeah, no. it's broken.

MissingMethodException: Method not found: string .HUDManager.SetClock(single,single,bool)

[ionic crescent]

o

:(

[eternal perch]

#1181061835722608722 message

[eternal perch]

I got Imperium softlocked in a funny way, by opening it at the end of round. The windows overlay stays open, but the controls are handled by the base game in-world.

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/165 don't let the issues count decrease

[distant stag]

Cursor locking is cursed

It's a huge mess

Because I have to kinda manually account for every UI zeekerss opens

[eternal perch]

this is an interesting bug to investigate: https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/89

and it's not as simple as I initially suggested in the comment. yet another rabbit hole.

"make it make sense" ahh table

got it. timeToHoldSpeedMultiplier was invented specifically for cruiser. It defaults to 1 elsewhere, except couple of objects in Cruiser prefab (and I bet most of them don't need to be zero).

[eternal perch]

fixed Skip Interact Hold, more and better than I hoped for: https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/166

[eternal perch]

Close this an non-reproducible. The guy must have been using more mods with network prefabs. He never actually claimed that Imperium was the only mod in his pack, and complained about the modded/vanilla check, think about it.

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/120

[frail nest]

is there a way to spawn in kidnapper foxes? i tried spawning vain shrouds but game still logs [Info : Unity Log] No game objects found with spore tag; cancelling and prevents the spawn

[topaz matrix]

kidnapper foxes won't spawn without a certain number of vain shrouds - FoxLover is a good mod to get around that ( [thread](#1491332478470848633 message) )

ah i misread what you said

i mean FoxLover will still help with that, but i think the vain shrouds imperium spawns in don't work for weed enemy spawning

[frail nest]

how does that affect its behaviour?

[topaz matrix]

FoxLover?

[distant stag]

yeah they are not registered mold

[topaz matrix]

it just forces a certain amount of vain shrouds to grow for all the moons

yah

[distant stag]

i should probably do that

[frail nest]

ahhh okay

[topaz matrix]

oh hi while you're here giosuel... just wondering if you saw the pings in the LC miraheze server?

if ur busy or anything thats all good just wondering if u saw them

[distant stag]

uh no I did not see them

link?

[topaz matrix]

#1191555609779261492 message

#1191555609779261492 message

it was mostly about the curve stuff you uploaded, cause they've been updated since v45 and we wanted to get some updated ones on there

[distant stag]

the moon curves should all be up to date

but not the entity curves probs

[topaz matrix]

didn't look like it (the second image is experimentation outdoor curve)

i put some more examples [here](#1191555609779261492 message)

[distant stag]

hmmm okay interesting

[alpine glacier]

What does Imperium have against the Rubber Ducky specifically

Like, spawning anything else works just fine 💀

[eternal perch]

Spawning rubber duckies worked for me just yesterday, on LAN multiplayer. It must be some other content mod? I have not tried AdditionalNetworking though

[alpine glacier]

Spawning works, but they're not spawning networked

[eternal perch]

is this issue reproducible with Imperium only (and its dependencies)?

[alpine glacier]

Seems to work fine. Probably another mod doing something I guess

[eternal perch]

I should check if it's BepInEx or Imperium at fault. This diff is not fun to see in git.

[eternal perch]

Random QoL (quality of life) fix:
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/170

[eternal perch]

An even better way:
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/171

[hollow granite]

Just out of curiosity, does the teleport to main still use names or is it using this system? I remember a while back trying to figure out why I couldn’t teleport to main on my moons and it was because I renamed the EntranceTeleportA to “main entrance” or something and prefabbed it

This sounds like it could get around this, but idk if this just is for fire exits from the pull request name

[eternal perch]

seems to be entranceId == 0

[hollow granite]

Oh. Maybe it was changed and I forgot

[eternal perch]

according to another guy, it was changed back in the v45 era

[hollow granite]

I feel like it wasn’t that far back but maybe I’m just completely losing it

It was this: #1225942840282976316 message

[eternal perch]

ah, I see what you mean

yes, and that one has been recently fixed to teleport to Apparatus

so maybe I should do this for Main too

yet another rabbit hole, i see

[eternal perch]

do you know of any specific moons which would be affected by this?

[eternal perch]

feel free to drop a note at this PR:
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/172

[hollow granite]

Not any more. I changed my prefab hierarchy to have EntranceTeleportA be nested under a “main entrance” object instead of being the root and renaming it directly

I also couldn’t tell you which version of my moons had this issue (if they’d even still load for testing in V81). I don’t think it’s in any changelog nor did I explicitly update to fix it. It was just quietly slipped in whenever I did the next real update iirc

[eternal perch]

oh well

[hollow granite]

But really, if this works then now the teleportation should work on any moon. If the teleporting option still works after this change then name-related issues should be gone entirely.

Because, well, there’s no name checking at all any more

[eternal perch]

i wonder though, what if anyone made Main ID != 0

[hollow granite]

Surely no

That seems more unlikely than renaming the object tbh

And it would mess up fire exit stuff wouldn’t it? Because on the inside main is 0

You’d have main link to a random fire exit and then the inside main probably just wouldn’t work I’m guessing

Even LLL bases main as the id 0 to then dynamically connect up however many fire exits are on the moon iirc

At best I feel like main would connect to a fire exit, both going in and out. At that point, is it really even “main” anymore? And can you really expect any mods looking for main to be compatible?

[eternal perch]

right, I didn't think of interior generation where ID is hardcoded in doors prefabs.

it's getting too late, I'm not thinking straight

[hollow granite]

Relatable

[tight wharf]

Hey, is there a way to disable those logs?

[distant stag]

sorry this is fixed in the next release but its delayed a bit because I upgraded my PC and im setting everything up again

[tight wharf]

alrighty!

[distant stag]

if you want you can build imperium dev branch yourself

its already fixed there

or actually, it should be in the Ci/Cd artifacts

[tight wharf]

OH since i've got you here: did you work on implementing a reload mechanism for weather selection in Moon Control panel?

[distant stag]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/actions/runs/24128184445/artifacts/6324311547
this should be working

[distant stag]

I havent looked at that in a while, what was that about again?

don't we already support weather registry as of rn?

[tight wharf]

Moon control panel never reloads the "current weather" that's selected in the dropdowns

yes, the changes work and it integrates with WR

[distant stag]

like when the user selection changes or when the game changes it the dropdowns are not up-to-date?

[tight wharf]

when the day ends and game rolls new weathers, the dropdown selection is not updated

after landing and going back up

i'm trying to find the code responsible for that 😅

[distant stag]

I think the code should be in Core/Lifecycle/MoonManager.cs

[tight wharf]

found it https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/blob/3e465047b02db3dcdb1f59a309c001bbed9b0c5f/Imperium/src/Interface/ImperiumUI/Windows/MoonControl/Widgets/WeatherForecaster.cs#L21

[distant stag]

and that yeah, thats the UI code

[tight wharf]

that runs only on lobby start

[distant stag]

does it not run every time the UI is opened?

[tight wharf]

sadly no

[distant stag]

it should run whenevr the UI is opened and whenever the scene is loaded

if thats not the case rn, it would be a pretty easy fix

for the open, there is a function to override in the UI window component

and for the scene, there is a binding Imperium.IsSceneLoaded or something that we could subscribe to

[tight wharf]

i was trying to "fix" it from my end, and running this code again created a second instance of all dropdowns 💀

[distant stag]

uhh 💀

[eternal perch]

I thought we fixed the clipping issue, but the scrollbar strikes back!

[tight wharf]

so from my point of view the solution is to store all the dropdowns in a list, and after the scene change destroy them all and recreate them with "current" weathers

[distant stag]

i think they are all bound to a binding, no?

[eternal perch]

normally in UI programming you don't create all the dropdown items immediately, only when popup opens

[distant stag]

or am I remembering it wrong?

[eternal perch]

I can take a look later too

[tight wharf]

that's the code that creates them

[distant stag]

okay so no binding interesting

but we only need to execute the second part of the code

on open

this

[tight wharf]

yeah, basically

[distant stag]

so we put this into a function that we all in ImpWindow.OnOpen and also on Imperium.IsSceneActive.onTrigger

we dont even need it in init

[tight wharf]

oh so it recreates every time it's being open

that makes more sense 😅

[distant stag]

well so this only sets the values, it doesn't actually create any UI elements

realistically we only need this line

for each dropdown

because we just need to update the values, everything else stays the same

[tight wharf]

oh, yeah

[eternal perch]

also if request fails, there should be a way to rollback/refresh

like "optimistic updates"

[eternal perch]

unless you guys have already fixed it, can someone, please, drop a line at the bug tracker with reproduction steps and such?

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/new

'cause I have a memory of a goldfish

[distant stag]

will do

[distant stag]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/173

[azure wagon]

my character emotes when I type in the credit section, normally this wouldn't be a problem unless you're running better emotes which hasn't been updated since the big bang because it prevents typing all together.

[distant stag]

Yeah it's because mods aren't really able to communicate and enable / disable each others input maps

[eternal perch]

workaround: type digits on a numpad

[eternal perch]

it is an issue with vanilla 1/2 emotes as well. though I do recognize these are probably two separate issues on the implementation level

btw I don't think it used to be the case, but now when spectating, open the Escape menu, and clicks on the overlay would still switch between spectates players. So yeah, the base game does a bad j*b at it too.

[eternal perch]

hey, any change you'll be able to work on the project in the upcoming days? just trying to plan the rest of the week

[azure wagon]

tragically i don't have one lol

[distant stag]

maybe tomorrow or on friday

but no promises, I am pretty busy rn

[eternal perch]

wsup how's your friday goin'

[distant stag]

im afraid i wont be able to do it this week, maybe i got some time on sunday but today and tomorrow is pretty packet :/

[eternal perch]

I'm proud to report I have accomplished ~nothing meaningful today, and now apparently won't do anything in the evening either

[pseudo field]

i have a question about imperium

what does this mean
[Debug : Imperium] [PROFILE] Objects refresh time : 61
[Debug : Imperium] [PROFILE] Total objects refresh time : 62

[distant stag]

will be fixed next release

dw

[pseudo field]

https://tenor.com/view/flamingo-surprised-hey-hi-hello-gif-19318656

intresting

[eternal perch]

get the latest build from github actions pipeline, or build yourself from the development branch

[distant stag]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/pull/164

what about this? have you tried using a directional camera instead?

[eternal perch]

not yet, but I'll try, thanks for reminding.

(last time I opened Unity I got sidetracked trying the UI stuff instead of 3D/rendering stuff)

[distant stag]

if you have some free time you don't need, feel free to look at these until I have some time to publish

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/173
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/169
or also this https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/145
https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/58

[formal maple]

i cant disable realtime clock for some reason

[distant stag]

So you have any other mods?

[eternal perch]

Can confirm. "Realtime Clock" checkbox does seemingly nothing, the clock is always realtime. Even if you start the game (cold boot) with the setting disabled.

[formal maple]

nope only testing my scripts but they dont touch anything in TimeOfDay or hudmanager

[eternal perch]

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/174

[distant stag]

uhh what

was that always a bug?

[eternal perch]

no idea. i could bisect, but a bit busy with my mod rn

[distant stag]

yeah no worries at all

i unfortunately also wont be able to work on it today

[formal maple]

it was broken near v73 update

it was working fine before

[distant stag]

interesting

ill look into it

[eternal perch]

btw

https://github.com/giosuel/imperium/issues/153 <- reported by "high quota"

[formal maple]

also was the cruiser bought in terminal fixed i havent tested?