Lethal Quantities

[sharp dagger]

and oddly enough- they seem to have spawned in droves

[fringe plover]

Solace has a 35 for Hoarding and a 20 for Flea, but I had a similar issue to yours.

[sharp dagger]

like it wasn't always 1 hoarding

if it spawns a hoarding

there's like 3 total

coming out of different vents or same vents

[fringe plover]

At the same time?

[sharp dagger]

can't confirm same-same time

but very fucking close if not

[fringe plover]

That's pretty odd. I've never seen that when playing on Solace myself.

[sharp dagger]

we talking 20 seconds later, there's a party of 3

also they seem to hug close to us often

I'm assuming that's symbiosis screwing with them

Symbiosis isn't needed in the pack anyways... I just wanted it to stop the bug of them keeping their loot on death

[fringe plover]

I had issues with Locker and Boomba not spawning on most modded maps I added, I'm hoping LQ can help me solve that, lol.

[sharp dagger]

you know what- i DID experience A boomba

i remember that

I'll do some manual tweaking per planet tbh

😮‍💨

[fringe plover]

Hmm. Personally I would just increase the values to a high number and use something like UnityExplorer to see if they spawn through a series of days.

[tranquil patrol]

I don't see any glaring issues with your presets file. Could be an LQ bug, could also just be another mod. Do you have LLL configs on?

[sharp dagger]

nope

[tranquil patrol]

And do you also have a log to see exactly what spawned

[sharp dagger]

Only thing LLL does is have preview 'n sort set to something

although I still don't like looking in LLL and seeing duplicates

wonder when that'll be fixed <~<'

it shouldn't cause anything- cause I'm not letting LLL do stuff in that department but

like... stop causin' duplicates >->'

they have the same name

[fringe plover]

Apparently LLLFixed fixes the duplication issue, but I have no clue if it has anything to do with LQ.

[sharp dagger]

what is this exactly?

[tranquil patrol]

Idk anything about LLL

I'm an LQ girlie

[sharp dagger]

heck yus

LQ needs more love

[tranquil patrol]

That's why I'm here, trying to bridge the learning curve a little

[tacit thunder]

basically what debby said

[sharp dagger]

I can't wait for a preference thingy

when doing the changes i'm trying to do, I'd like it if everything was automatically hidden in the list

so I don't gotta keep clicking hide-all per preset

., .

[tacit thunder]

i dont think any of the custom enemies apart from what you manually set would spawn on exp

[tacit thunder]

yeah, it's part of the preferences on the todo list

[sharp dagger]

like

both the parent and the moon has no rarity

so it goes to "only if the moon would spawn it naturally"

the mods cause these enemies to spawn everywhere

so should it not spawn everywhere? .- .

[tacit thunder]

looking at your experimentation one, out of the unselected ones, only the shy guy spawns according to its config

[sharp dagger]

Masked should too

[tacit thunder]

none of the other enemies spawns in experimentation by default

[sharp dagger]

shy and masked should spawn anywhere 'n everywhere . n.

but we went 15 days without seeing a natural one

we did see one masked - but it was spawned in as an assignment

and I'm assuming the assignment mod overrides the requirements of LQ spawning stuff

cause a dog did spawn indoors

near the end in atlantica o -o

i shouldn't say "assignments"

it's huntdown

they're darn same-ish though

[tranquil patrol]

You have the rarities ticked in the Global preset tho, so they'll never be using the config rarities

[tacit thunder]

this is the vanilla experimentation:

[sharp dagger]

Yeh

since global has the rarity - it should be in all of em since they're in all the lists o -o

[tacit thunder]

but debby is right, your global preset has masked set to 3, so i dont think it's that likely for masked to spawn

it's a really low chance though

if you increased the chances i think it would definitely spawn

[sharp dagger]

I mean, we went 15 days - surely somethin' more than a lot of hoarding 'n snares would've appeared .,. .... and yeh I am testing that rn

gonna just jack masked x1000 and go to a moon with mask that has no rarity but still on the list

just to see if it works

wait a minute

ok hold up

am i overcomplicating something potentially here

@tacit thunder

let's say you unticked all those rarities

and global has nothing

if you landed on experimentation - you'd still see hoarding bugs and snare fleas - right?

since by default they'd spawn

[tranquil patrol]

Yea

[sharp dagger]

so could i not just... ... uncheck every enemy tab - and just add all enemies to the global list, with the rarity's unchecked- and thus that'd have every enemy that should defaultly spawn - spawn on all moons...?

[tranquil patrol]

Yea

[tacit thunder]

yeah that should work

[sharp dagger]

and even if a few enemies in the global tab has a set rarity - that would still compete with the default rarities each individual moon has on their individual enemies

on the ones that don't have a rarity set

[tacit thunder]

yes

[sharp dagger]

leave it to me to overcomplicate something 😓

ffs <~<

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

back to the drawing board

I like how in the rarity section- you can put E

only e.

the best number

;p

[tacit thunder]

hmm

[tranquil patrol]

"e" is a mathematical constant so

[sharp dagger]

So,.... for example - the snail is modded, but there's no rarity on it, but it's in global - and all have that global. that means, experimentation (for example) will read the snail is there - and allow snail to spawn on experimentation cause the snail's config has 20 as the rarity and the mod tries to make it spawn on all moons

right? . ,.

[tranquil patrol]

Only enemies in the enemies list of a moon can spawn on that moon

You'd need to have the snail in Experimentation's list

[sharp dagger]

but what if experimentation has the enemy tab unticked

so it's just taking from global - and the global has no rarity ticked

[tacit thunder]

i think the snail mod adds it to all vanilla moons by default

but yeah it should work if you set it in global

[sharp dagger]

I wish i could wrap my head in the order of operations... ...

or actuallly

actually

you know what

that's another thing to shove onto the to-do

have some sort of debug/dev button/config-setting so when you're on the moon

it'll either input it in the console, or in some little window

what LQ changed

or what LQ affected

[tacit thunder]

i dont really want to affect the in-game ui

[sharp dagger]

then just shove it as console outputs o ,o... some sort of feedback of "Hey, Spawnable enemies: [this], scrap yada-yada [changed like this]" to give some sort of feedback

[tacit thunder]

i can probably do that

[sharp dagger]

cause currently, if I wanna test this mask thing (which I'mma do real soon after I... stop distracting myself here) - I gotta set the number high and then with the dev mods, go to the map and just wait to have it happen

whereas if I just landed and the console spat to me "Hey, Masked enemies in the list - but can't spawn" me: I fucked up

[tacit thunder]

you can use the unity explorer to view the values directly

[sharp dagger]

damn unity explorer >->

[tacit thunder]

it works for all of the stuff

[sharp dagger]

too many numbers 'n buttons

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I lose myself in this darn web editor already - don't gimmie an airplane's amount of buttons . ,.

[tranquil patrol]

Welcome to the digital world

[sharp dagger]

I am not hackerman

I am not the infamous hacker known as 4chan

;p

[tacit thunder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure timber]

@tranquil patrol sorry for tagging, will u make this mod possible to affect the weight of factory and mansion dungeon?

[tacit thunder]

you can already change it, the factory is the Level1Flow and the mansion is Level2Flow

those are the names given by zeekerss

[azure timber]

i know but it doest work

[tacit thunder]

what does your presets.json look like, and which moon are you trying to set the weights for?

[azure timber]

here is my preset, and I only have egypt and wesley moons installed, I adjust weight for all moons

[tacit thunder]

ok so what doesn't work?

you are changing the weights of the factory and mansion dungeon here

[azure timber]

yes, but when i check in terminal by typing simulate, their percentage goes back to default

[tacit thunder]

the simulate command doesn't account for any modifications made with this mod

[azure timber]

the office dungeon also have this problem

[tacit thunder]

when you actually land on the moon it will be correct

[azure timber]

no, it can simulate, it shows correct weight for other dungeon

[tacit thunder]

have you tried landing to make sure?

[azure timber]

not yet, ill try tonight🙏🏻

[tacit thunder]

ok, i have been using it for my modpack and have encountered no issues. i don't use the simulate command and everything loads fine

[azure timber]

@tacit thunder but for the Level1Flow and Level1FowExtraLarge, should I set them both have the same weight?

[tacit thunder]

no, you should really only use Level1Flow and change the size using the factory size multiplier option

Level1FlowExtraLarge was originally for titan

here's the simulate command being discussed
#1213985212686532638 message

[azure timber]

oh, so it specially for titan, I thought extralarge is a difficult version and set all A rank and above moons using it

[tacit thunder]

no, it is just larger

[azure timber]

so if i want a custom moon have larger facility dungeon i can use extralarge also? sorry just want to make sure

[tacit thunder]

you can... but it's advisable to change the factory size multiplier instead and use the regular Level1Flow

[azure timber]

understand🙏🏻

[pliant elm]

actually wait just so I understand
if I select global and set scraps up there, would that mean that LQ tries to make them spawn on all moons?

I assume if the scrap already exists in a moons spawnpool it wont overwrite the weights or would it?

[sly nymph]

Im sorry but is this really true? I have no scrap at all at any moon but i have everything setup in global and it works fine

[azure timber]

this is the simulate of cosmocos, u can see LLL can simulate what LQ has done, just without factory and mansion map, no matter landing on moon or not

[tranquil patrol]

If you have the scrap list unticked it'll just be whatever the default scrap list would be with your mods

[sly nymph]

yeah but i have no scrap list on the moons

just global

[azure timber]

@tranquil patrol sorry for tagging, just wants to make sure is LLL simulate command cannot fully simulate the weight that changed by LQ?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah the simulate command doesn't take LQ into account

[azure timber]

but why it still has the outcome like the photo above?

[tranquil patrol]

When you say you have no scrap list, do you mean you have the scrap lists ticked and they're empty, or you have them unticked but when you tick them it's empty?

[sly nymph]

i have this in global

and this on all the moons

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah if you have it unticked on all the moons it'll be the default scrap list based on your mods

If you tick it and empty the list, then nothing will spawn

[sly nymph]

i might be misunderstanding you but all the moons spawn scrap from the global scrap list

[tranquil patrol]

Are you certain? Moons don't inherit lists as far as I'm aware

Do you have scrap on the Global list that you've seen spawn on a moon that definitely doesn't have it as a default scrap?

[sly nymph]

like an item that doesnt come from mods?

i have so many scrap i dont know anymore which comes from mods

[tranquil patrol]

No like a scrap that you have added to the Global list that definitely doesn't spawn on the moon

[sly nymph]

not sure which doesnt spawn on which moons since so many scrap are from mods

but i think the guitarr spawned which should spawn only on a certain interior i think?

[tranquil patrol]

If it's the weezer guitar, I've seen it on factory before LQ existed so idk

[pliant parcel]

no

[tranquil patrol]

Seems like it isn't using the Global list but just the default list for the moons

[sly nymph]

is there a list for default list?

i mean all modded items seems to spawn on all moons

[tranquil patrol]

If you haven't changed the scrap list for any moons then they should have the default scrap list

If you tick the scraps

[sly nymph]

there are items thats not in the list that i have found

crown, heavy potion, rubber ducky, demonic painting, chemical jug

[tranquil patrol]

Hmm. Well there's one way to check for sure. Disable all but one scrap in the global preset, land on a moon, if it isn't filled with only that scrap then it isn't inheriting the list

[sly nymph]

and it cant work like global preset + default list?

[pliant parcel]

was the crown in the dungeon interior

[sly nymph]

nah facility

[pliant parcel]

wowie

[tranquil patrol]

To my knowledge the lists never inherit, but you're claiming they do so idk anymore

[sly nymph]

i did find crown in dungeon interior too but it disappeared when reloading the save, i think because of BetterItemSaving mod

[sly nymph]

i will try to do more proper testing when i have the time

[tranquil patrol]

I'll probably test it when I get on the PC too

[waxen frost]

as far as your masked experimentation (ha!) goes that's already a thing in logs..

...
spawn chance range min/max : 0, 7; time of day percent: 0,2777843
spawn chance range min/max (non integer) : -0,4493589, 7,550641
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Girl
enemy #0 probability - 18
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Lasso
enemy #1 probability - 0
Enemy 1 could not be spawned. current power count is 0; max is 15.
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Bunker Spider
enemy #2 probability - 64
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Centipede
enemy #3 probability - 52
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Blob
enemy #4 probability - 38
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Flowerman
enemy #5 probability - 25
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Crawler
enemy #6 probability - 47
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Hoarding bug
enemy #7 probability - 48
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Jester
enemy #8 probability - 66
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Puffer
enemy #9 probability - 16
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Nutcracker
enemy #10 probability - 60
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Walker
enemy #11 probability - 7
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Herobrine
enemy #12 probability - 23
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Locker
enemy #13 probability - 14
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Boomba
enemy #14 probability - 20
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: HarpGhost
enemy #15 probability - 198
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Shy guy
enemy #16 probability - 6674
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Spring
enemy #17 probability - 13
Setting enemy numberspawned to 0 to start: Knight
enemy #18 probability - 40
ADDING ENEMY #16: Shy guy
Adding 3 to power level, enemy: Shy guy

enemy #0 probability - 18
enemy #1 probability - 0
Enemy 1 could not be spawned. current power count is 3; max is 15.
enemy #2 probability - 64
enemy #3 probability - 52
enemy #4 probability - 38
enemy #5 probability - 25
enemy #6 probability - 47
enemy #7 probability - 48
enemy #8 probability - 66
enemy #9 probability - 16
enemy #10 probability - 60
enemy #11 probability - 7
enemy #12 probability - 23
enemy #13 probability - 14
enemy #14 probability - 20
enemy #15 probability - 198
enemy #16 probability - 0
Enemy 16 could not be spawned. current power count is 3; max is 15.
enemy #17 probability - 13
enemy #18 probability - 40
ADDING ENEMY #10: Nutcracker
Adding 1 to power level, enemy: Nutcracker
...

You can also see here how/why ShyGuy isn't working

[pliant elm]

okay unfortunately LethalQuantities cant fix the LLL custom scrap issue either

replaced egypt scrap list with experimentation and still only encountering vanilla scraps

[sharp dagger]

I don't get that

current power is 3, max is 15, could not be spawned

nothing is higher than 3 power

what could fail to spawn - even though there's 12 power of room?

and if it's choosing the enemy with 0 of probability, why is it attempting to choose something with 0 probability?

[waxen frost]

Enemy 1 could not be spawned. current power count is 3; max is 15.
that's just printed because the weight is 0. It's not the most intuitive logging. I'll give you that. Just vanilla things :p

it's not choosing that enemy at this point. Just going through them and if applicable stating reasons why it's not even considered to spawn.

[tranquil patrol]

It should work. Do you still have LLL configs on?

[pliant elm]

no :/
I didnt enable anything in LLL configs

[tranquil patrol]

Could you send your json?

[pliant elm]

sure, in a sec

okay so since then I did more stuff here and there, but the principle is the same
I replaced Maritopia's scrap list with experimentation and still only vanilla scraps spawn on Maritopia

@tranquil patrol

[pliant elm]

tf

right, I guess I must've made an error while pasting

or could it be that I auto formatted or smth

[tranquil patrol]

Probably auto format, idk

[pliant elm]

ill regenerate then

I think

I found the issue lmao

I was pasting the wrong parts

[tranquil patrol]

So you know the original problem, or just the json not working?

[pliant elm]

I think I know the original problem

well both tbh LOL

[tranquil patrol]

Ah okay cool

[pliant elm]

but ill test rn

[tranquil patrol]

The log should say if the config loaded or not

[pliant elm]

okay I think its just regenerating every time I change it, so maybe auto format really is ruining the config and in practice it works, but I cant figure out if I'm right lol

@tranquil patrol sorry for ping 👀

[tranquil patrol]

I'm here, there just isn't really much info to go on in the log lmao. It's all "working", but if it's just regenerating the config ofc it's working

[pliant elm]

oh well, unlucky
I just did a quick scan to see what scrap spawned and still only vanilla, but here
just out of curiosity I changed it so only one type of LECore scrap spawns, and it still defaulted to vanilla scraplist xD

oh I didnt

check the box...

...

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah everything in here is completely unchecked :((

[pliant elm]

checking the boxes probably wont hurt then lmao

[tranquil patrol]

Also it seems like Aquatis doesn't work, its level name might be weird

[pliant elm]

ah nah I just have it disabled

[tranquil patrol]

Ahh okay

[pliant elm]

oh my god

it works

also nah, auto format doesnt ruin it apparently

[pliant elm]

yea I think, I'll just wait for LLL to fix this scrap issue really
I'm glad this works like this, and LQ can make custom scrap spawn on LLL moons but
honestly too much work for just own enjoyment

this mod is still amazing though

[fringe plover]

Hey! It seems that Shy Guy is spawning more often than my LQ values state, and it has stumped me. Anyone got an idea?

[sly nymph]

i think is does something with the value you also have on the shy guy config

[fringe plover]

Hm. Would I need to leave the value blank on the config for it to disperse correctly?

[sly nymph]

i think just 1 for minimal difference

not sure if it cant spawn if you put it on 0

[fringe plover]

Alright. I'll try that.

[fringe plover]

Not sure if I'm doing anything wrong here, but, I made the shy guy the only enemy available to spawn on SecretLabs, and disabled every other enemy on LQ, but for some reason default enemies are still spawning?

[dense timber]

try checking rarity of all of them and setting them to 0?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah what Mari said. If you keep them on the list with rarity unticked, they'll use rarities set in Global. If they're not set in Global, they will use the default rarities for that moon

@fringe plover

[fringe plover]

Ah, okay. I just manually set them all to 0.

Hopefully this works.

[fringe plover]

Weird. So, I gave values to ShyGuy and Coilheads, and I allowed ShyGuy to spawn a maximum of 3 times, yet masked (which were set to 0) and coils kept spawning.

I'm curious if the config overwrites LQ, since I have that set to 1 right now.

[tacit thunder]

the shy guy rarity is overriden by their config

[fringe plover]

Ah, okay. Kinda sucks that there isn't a way in the Scopophobia config to set him to specific moons.

[midnight halo]

guys what do i do my friend told me to stop making them wait 5 minutes for the game to unfreeze every time we go to titan cuz i made it so titan is guaranteed to have over 50 thousand scrap (and it doesn't crash)

[pliant parcel]

what

[radiant shadow]

same brother

[midnight halo]

oh and they also want me to fix Aquatis cuz the only scrap is tragedy masks and the only enemy is the masked indoors

[radiant shadow]

whats the point of having 50,000 scrap

[midnight halo]

money

[radiant shadow]

its not like ur gonna take it all

[midnight halo]

but i did

using 15 item hotbar

[radiant shadow]

okay.. if ur name has trust, then i will trust u. 😩

[pliant parcel]

you still arent getting all 50 thousand items

[midnight halo]

but i didn't

[pliant parcel]

its not even like

possible

[midnight halo]

i teleported them to the ship

so erm

actualy

[pliant parcel]

what

[radiant shadow]

if money is an issue

just make it less scraps, but they're worth more

[pliant parcel]

yeah

[midnight halo]

thats Experimentation

[pliant parcel]

but also teleporting would still not get you all 50k items

[radiant shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-awkward-dog-confused-awkward-confused-dog-gif-2881577801438605193

[midnight halo]

no like i teleported every single scrap into the ship

[pliant parcel]

ok then whats the point

[radiant shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-no-idea-gif-17947479

[midnight halo]

idfk

[pliant parcel]

😭

[midnight halo]

experimentation has for the most part the only scrap being 6 billion value maxwells from LethalThings

[pliant parcel]

I will never mod lethal company to this point what the hell

[midnight halo]

i love capitalism

my friend does to

anyway im gonna continue being mr craps

i mean mr crabs

[radiant shadow]

the more u talk, the more i dont understand what the hell ur doing 🥹

[midnight halo]

😦

am quick

ok i made a new file

gonna speedrun inf money

done

i love this mod

[tacit thunder]

[sharp dagger]

Ok so

I'm metaphorically banging my head against a wall

I did what I last stated in terms of setting a global, leaving rarities unchecked (aside from the enemies I wanna influence) and seeing if it spawns things

results: The moons do spawn default things, even if rarities aren't checked, so it is fetching from the default list of enemies

it also is spawning masked on moons that shouldn't have them, at a rate set correctly

however

the spawning is screwed up some way, and I don't know how or who's doin' it

because on a moon where by default a hygro is 4%

3 of them spawned within like 20 seconds. Whereas a snare flea had like 11% chance, Spider had 27%, Hoarding 17... Literally 2 boombas spawned at 8.8% but none of these should-be-spawning-at-least-once else is happening. They're also spawning in droves ...

I don't know if that's supposed to happen - but it's ridiculous seeing the console just spam within like 30 lines that 6 enemies were spawned inside within 15 in-game-time minutes happening

spawns just feel ... off. I can't tell if the semi-uncommon enemies can spawn because it seems to spawn armies of blobs 'n hoarding bugs and not touch at least 1 of the other 3 rare enemies in numerous days . ,.

[fringe plover]

I had this happen earlier when I was testing for only ShyGuy. I think it has something to do with MaskedEnemyOverhaul if you have that mod.

[fringe plover]

I've been noticing this as well. I was playing with 6 people earlier and the only inside enemies I've seen were looting bugs, masked, and the blobs, even when their values were lower than most enemies. I didn't see the locker (which I have at mostly a 10-20% on each moon) spawn at all, and I've been stumped about enemy spawns for a while, lol.

Most of those enemies spawned past 10AM-11AM too, which is weird.

Doing singleplayer runs, though, I noticed spawns were pretty much normal. I'm hoping it's not a weird desync kinda thing with players.

[sharp dagger]

I removed the mod prior to this testing

A part of me is afraid if I have to regenerate the config from scratch

er- the json

think MEOW causes something that requires the LQ json to need to be recreated?

actually-

do you have infernis @fringe plover ?

[fringe plover]

Yes, I do.

[sharp dagger]

Mind ticking the enemy tab

and giving me an image

of what it should look like defaultly

[fringe plover]

Its been the most stable moon I've had so far

Oh, I've modified it

[sharp dagger]

and it's the moon I'm testing rn

oh

hecc

[fringe plover]

I think there are some defaults tho

everything except bees I believe

[fringe plover]

oh huh, I thought I modified the bees

[sharp dagger]

So

[fringe plover]

gonna have to do that, they're really annyoing

[sharp dagger]

i mean

I tested 5 days

ran around like 70% of the facility and spotted no bees

but at the same time, I'm not spotting the rare enemies..

[fringe plover]

I had them come up before, and each time its a death sentence because they dont stop following

[sharp dagger]

ah - I shall think about that o- o....

although i guess that's what my regen possibilities and beekeeper possibilities are for

warrants a want for those

do LQ presets update whilst the game is up?

like- if I (for example) shift the rarity of something

can I then land into infernis and it's changed?

[fringe plover]

From what I've been told by Debby, yes.

[sharp dagger]

ok-

for testing purposes... right

if I just jacked the rarity of the enemies I'm trying to see

and it does appear

then that means it COULD'VE

appeared the entire time

and I'm just unlucky

yes?

[fringe plover]

It's a possibility

[sharp dagger]

like

I'm going to jack rarities from like 3 to 3000

[fringe plover]

If you're talking about a modded enemy, some of them have it where their configs overwrite any editing

For example ShyGuy

[sharp dagger]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[fringe plover]

I was trying to test him out earlier and set him to 75% on SecretLabs

[sharp dagger]

how do I know if an enemy's config overrides

[fringe plover]

Never saw him spawn

[sharp dagger]

or doesn't

[fringe plover]

Hm

[sharp dagger]

hecc...

[fringe plover]

Most accurate way I've seen is just to download the mod and go to any modded moons, cause some mods dont do overrides and instead just add to the default pool

(example Locker)

[crisp stone]

wym the default pool

[fringe plover]

If they spawn on every moon then they prob override

So

On LLL, when I installed the locker and boomba, it showed on Infernis and all the default moons for enemies that were able to spawn

It basically added to the "default pool" ig. I may be wording this wrong

[sharp dagger]

so technically

I need to leave this game

because herobrine and shy guy potentially override LQ's attempt of setting rarities

[fringe plover]

Didn't show on any other modded moon, and thus, didnt spawn at all

[indigo pewter]

I looked into the shyguy code because I was having issues changing his spawn rates

[sharp dagger]

does LQ affect it?

[fringe plover]

But, enemies like the rolling giant and shyguy, it uses their configs instead to determine spawn rates, and doesnt add it to the pool

[indigo pewter]

The way it works is by calling a function on BeginEnemySpawning that, as a consequence of the way its implemented, overrides any changes made by any other mods

I'm working on a mod that disables this function so that LQ can control shyguy's spawn settings

[sharp dagger]

so even if LQ says 5000 rarity

[fringe plover]

That makes a lot of sense because I spent 2 hours earlier trying to figure out why I couldn't change his spawnrates through LQ

[sharp dagger]

Shy guy butts in and says "Hey, no, config says 20"

and so shy guy rolled in the list is " - 20"

[indigo pewter]

exactly

[sharp dagger]

😮‍💨

[indigo pewter]

most other mods just change it once in a way that lets LQ intercept it

[fringe plover]

It's annoying too, cause mods like RollingGiant let you set specific moons with rarities, which would be cool to have for ShyGuy since he's so OP to the point where I don't want him on free moons

[indigo pewter]

Yeah

I just built the code for a mod that should let shyguy be edited by LQ, going to test it now

[sharp dagger]

@tacit thunder Hey- another thing to add maybe to the todo list. Can you somehow like, add a warning when mousing over specific entities from mods? Detect the ID "ShyGuy" for example when mousing over it like this:

and if the name is red (maybe?) - that means trying to change the rarity is useless

or maybe have the word "Rarity" Red

[fringe plover]

Hope that goes well. Would be nice to see smth like that, lol.

[sharp dagger]

So in the editor, if it detects "ShyGuyDef", Color text "Rarity" [yada yada, hex red]

[crisp stone]

and how would it tell what it cant mess with

[sharp dagger]

a manually controlled list

people report Shy guy no work

set somewhere, if ShyGuyDef exists, change the Rarity text to red for it

[crisp stone]

tell shy guy dev to fix it

[sharp dagger]

or just put a red rarity text to inform the user to use their config .- . ....

I don't even know if they're in this server atm either - but they're clearly not the only enemy suffering this

[crisp stone]

fix the problem or tell the user the problem exists, i wonder which is better 🤔

[slim iris]

#1200318186424377374

[sharp dagger]

Well one is just a simple line to change the text red, the other could possibly require a whole rework of rarity 'n spawning mechanics ., .

I feel like the coloring of a word is easier than changing how an entity spawns

but maybe I'm wrong in that regard . ,.

[crisp stone]

putting a bandaid on a stab wound is easier too doesnt mean it's the best way to solve the problem 😛

[sharp dagger]

but it's better than leaving it open <-<'

bandaid > no bandaid. .,.

[indigo pewter]

ideally all monster creators should implement the monster spawn stuff the same way

[fringe plover]

^

[indigo pewter]

but the world isnt perfect

[sharp dagger]

There should be literal guides on how most mods should implement things so it all follows a pattern

[slim iris]

is the shy guy's rarity set to 0% by default? i feel like it'd be better if it wasnt added to the spawnable enemies list at all, since scopophobia seems to be handling it internally anyways

[crisp stone]

i can only do so many things

[sharp dagger]

Do everything

ez -u -

if you do everything, there'll be nothing left to do

[fringe plover]

It's set to a weight of 15 by default

[indigo pewter]

why cant you simply foresee every possible compatibility issue and pre-emptively patch it in a way that is unbreakable?

[sharp dagger]

^ Every AAA studio firing their QA team as they say to their devs-

[crisp stone]

because im not potatoepet 😛

[indigo pewter]

LMAO

[sharp dagger]

I miss that fuckin' mod -~ -

[indigo pewter]

I dont miss the watermark

[sharp dagger]

I'm glad some modders are like, trying to pick up the slack that was created when it poof'd - and there's a whole concept thread about basically getting what was gone back in.... but that thread is as conceptual as concept-art in a video game .,.

gladsome ... gladsome is a word?

huh-

i thought I typo'd there, but it's a word.

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-9107720

[fringe plover]

Looking at logs again, this is wrong 'cause shyguy also inserts itself into spawn pool. L on me.

Idk then.

[sharp dagger]

it inserts, but also doesn't care for LQ rarities

[fringe plover]

Yeah

It's weird.

[sharp dagger]

so that's not even a way to tell if it's an entity that'll do that or not

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[fringe plover]

Nope

[sharp dagger]

😒

don't mind me

will just RELAUNCH THE GAME....

see you after the lord of the rings director's cut... <-<'

[fringe plover]

I'm used to it after editing a singular value lmao

"Oh, this scrap value is too high, lemme change it rq then restart so it applies"

[indigo pewter]

every time the game tries to start spawning enemies, scopophobia finds and removes any entries from the spawn pool that match "Shy guy" and then re-inserts itself into the pool with the config settings

so LQ does successfully edit the spawn settings, but then those changes get removed and replaced when enemies start to spawn

theoretically if LQ did the same thing on enemy spawn it could prevent this issue, assuming its able to run after all other monster mods like scopophobia

idk if its possible to guarantee order of execution

theoretically you could create a BeginEnemySpawning() prefix patch with a very high priority (and/or use HarmonyAfter on some hardcoded list of mods like scopophobia, if you really wanted to) that re-updates the spawn list, and that would fix issues from any mods like this

[crisp stone]

nah thats stupid

they should just change their mods

[indigo pewter]

yeah I agree

I'm just throwing it out there that its possible

im also content with making my own band-aid

[crisp stone]

band-aids like this give life to things that should seek treatment or die imo

when mod a does a patchjob to fix mod b it just ends up a mess in the long run

[indigo pewter]

yeah a band-aid is not the ideal solution

but it's quick and cheap and gets the job done until a real solution comes out

[crisp stone]

the most permanent solutions are temporary ones

[radiant shadow]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DBJ/ShyGuyPatcherPatcher/

noice i saw ur patch just dropped 🙏

the freaking thumbnail 🤣

[indigo pewter]

lmao I had some time to kill while building and launching... and oops just realized I used the wrong readme file on there

[sharp dagger]

🤔

I wonder what's the math causing the number to be forced to 1360

[sharp dagger]

During one of my test landings... bro... Herobrine and Ghost both appeared prior to the ship finishing its landing 😅

I don't know what's causing this

[crisp stone]

are you fucking with planettime or any of those related values at all

[sharp dagger]

LGU messes with time

how does that mess with spawning = -=

[crisp stone]

because spawning uses time..

[sharp dagger]

actually, I'm too tired to even question the logic of why time manipulation would mess with an entity that should spawn based off the timer being shown to the player and synced to it no matter how slow or fast it reaches it -w-'... I'm like 22 hours sleep deprived...

[crisp stone]

the timer being shown to the player is based off the time your manipulating..

[sharp dagger]

The timer has a constant it follows. It knows how many minutes pass per second. It should know 12:54 is when the enemy comes out. All it should care about is when it hits 12:54 or later. - u-

[crisp stone]

the timer has no constant

its a variable

[sharp dagger]

that consistently follows a patterned time

[crisp stone]

i mean it goes from hour x to hour y consistently yeah

but when it gets there is not constant

[sharp dagger]

how... what do you mean .,.

[crisp stone]

if a day is faster

the time between each hour is faster

[sharp dagger]

Indeed, and reverse if it's slower

but base-game never has that happen

[crisp stone]

if a day is really short, hours are going to change faster

[crisp stone]

yeah thats why i asked if you were fucking with time

[sharp dagger]

but why wouldn't the enemy just wait for the timer to pass a number

[crisp stone]

it does

your making the timer go faster

[sharp dagger]

I'm makin' it go slower tho

the world is progressing slower

also if you know of a solution to that, poke lgu 'bout it .- .

although I guess in a sense (albeit, unintentional) - it's a side effect of extending the day. A give and take I suppose...

[fringe plover]

How do you see enemy spawns in the console?

[sharp dagger]

I look in the console o-o? ... .. am i too tired to read that correctly 😓 ?

or wiat uh

lesslogs - i set each mod to display all (most of them)

and i enable bepinex to show me console

'n log to disk and console all in there.

sry xux

i go now 🙃

[fringe plover]

Oh, okay.

[waxen frost]

it's the rarity you set times the value of the spawncurve of that enemy at the given key (progress throughout day from 0-1).
and yeah messing with time will change a lot of the spawning mechanics. increasing deadline days amount will also severely mess with it

[sharp dagger]

I wanna know why deadline days even messes with it, and if it does - why can't it just be forcibly capped (wherever it messes with it) to act as 3 days until it's under 3

don't ask why I'm still awake, sleep is not a friend.

[waxen frost]

because that's how the vanilla game works

#1213985212686532638 message

[tranquil patrol]

I'd avoid drastically altering the passage of time if you want precise control over spawn mechanics, unless you learn to use spawn chance curves and spawn chance falloff curves etc

Which if you do decide to get into, I made this tool to help visualise it

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ynxk6t3mxp

[tacit thunder]

i'd have to hard code values, and like batby said, it's really not something that is feasible since it's expected that all enemy spawning mods kind of set the rarities at the start, rather than where they do now, or have an option in their config to enable/disable

for now it'll just have to remain as something to keep in mind, which enemies will/wont spawn

that patcherpatcher mod looks pretty good though

[indigo pewter]

this is a solution that doesnt require hardcoding anything (but you shouldnt have to do this, its more proper for the monster mods to fix it on their end)

[tacit thunder]

i would like to be able to modify enemy spawning directly before the enemy spawn functions are called, but it would completely override mods like brutalcompany minus

most mods do their logic in RoundManager#LoadNewLevel so i can only really do stuff there with a lower priority

and then let those mods add their changes

[indigo pewter]

hmm yeah its impossible to programmatically know which mods need to have higher or lower priority than LQ

I think the only way to do it in a way that doesnt require hardcoding and doesnt break anything would be to have a toggle that enables it and a config where you can enter what values to pass to HarmonyBefore (if thats even possible)

then it would have higher priority over say scopophobia, and the user would enter say brutalcompanyminus to have LQ's patch run before it instead of after

or the inverse, give it a low priority and the user enters what to put into HarmonyAfter

and if its a config you could set a default value for known mods like scopophobia if you wanted to

[earnest wedge]

Does this mod have a conflict with Weather Multipliers when moon prices are changed? I was playing fine, decided to update moon prices in my config, and now the game is crashing when people try to join, and the last thing in the log is weather multipliers syncing

[tacit thunder]

not afaik

i use meteo multipliers just fine

[earnest wedge]

should I switch to meteo multipliers?

[silver prism]

yes

its more updated

and less buggy

its a fork of weather multipliers pretty sure

[tacit thunder]

^

[vale escarp]

if im using lethal quantities, should i set herobrine in monsters or just the torch? for instance slenderman is better to only set pages as scrap because that causes him to spawn @muted knoll @tacit thunder

[tacit thunder]

no clue how herobrine is configured to spawn, but i added him in the enemies list directly

[muted knoll]

Damn, double ping

[vale escarp]

sorry this is the last step to my lq

[tacit thunder]

i just treated herobrine like the ghost girl

[vale escarp]

bet

[muted knoll]

The torch is just a funny rare item that i just added cause why not

[sharp dagger]

What do you mean? You added it as a minecraft reference to sell scrap. It's an obvious indicator that the Herobrine mod is working correctly, and even tests your knowledge of changing the sounds of picking up a scrap and putting it down. It was just added as a hobby. A callback. c:

(also, I question if you're thinking of adding all the other items that was used during the alpha days of Minecraft to "Summon" Herobrine)

which, tell me if I'm wrong, is Gold blocks... ... obsidian...?.... and fire

(gonna fact check myself)

||fuck me, it was netherrack? ... thought the original shrine didn't have netherrack||

[dense timber]

Is there an easy way to add multiple scrap at once in every moons? I downloaded Abandoned COmpany Assets and I need to add them to every moon

[tacit thunder]

no... but you can add all to the scrap for every moon, then set the rarity in the global scrap

it's not particularly ideal but it works, somewhat

[dapper marten]

the experience having to modify all the scrap rarities on all the moons 🥲

[tacit thunder]

🙃

[azure tundra]

Surely.. Lethal quantities could automate this, or maybe "General" does exactly that with moon specific loot being an additional stuff to add to the pool? A good system would be if General was everything and specific was like an offset, you would be able to reduce gold bar spawn and add items special items you only wanted on that moon and increase rates of whatever.

In practice you'd never want to mess with specific. Since there might be 40 moons installed and modder may have intent and have added quest like items.

But... I haven't learned how it's done yet so I'm kinda asking and kinda saying it would be nice.

[crisp stone]

LethalLevelLoader is the answer to this problem in the future

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah with an LLL scrap system presumably you could have LLL define what scrap spawns on every moon with rarities, and that would then feed into LethalQuantities' default lists?

[crisp stone]

Like Dungeons, you’ll be able to inject scrap into moons via moon name, author/mod name and via tags

Tags are the futureee

[azure tundra]

Cool. Same issue with enemy spawns and interior chances of course. We want weights and even exclusivity sometimes but a fairly even spread so that no content is ever missed just because you wanna try new moons.

I don't wanna click on a single moon at any point, or dungeon. I want the creator to have autonomy over their vision. But all the stuff could be there. Only at most me double checking that I like how many Masked for example spawn generally.

[crisp stone]

i agree so hard

massive user config hater ngl

[sly nymph]

Is it confirmed to work like this?me and someone other were discussing this as well. I have no scrap at all on any moons, just global and i can see other items other than default on the moons

[tacit thunder]

yes it would work

but the moon's scrap still needs to have the item in the list, if it's enabled

[sly nymph]

I dont have the scrap check box checked on any moon

[tacit thunder]

ok then whatever you change on global will be set for all moons

[sly nymph]

I see, thanks

[tacit thunder]

👍

[tacit thunder]

yes, that's what the global preset is, and how each preset can have a parent

[sly nymph]

And just a quick question, im on the phone so cant check rn but can you change rarity of interiors for each Moon in with LQ or should i use the interior mods own config for that?

[azure tundra]

What does the child do, overwrite? Is there an options to use child data as a multiplier? That'd be sick.
Sorry it's a lot of info haven't tried it as yet, still just messing with mod compats first then working the scraped data your presets.json provides

[tacit thunder]

yes you can

[tacit thunder]

the child takes precedent over any parents

so you can set some general settings in the parent, and then fine tune it in a child preset

[azure tundra]

So I'll kinda just have to delete it or clone and tweak.

[tacit thunder]

yeah

cloning a default preset is preferred, so that you have the original to reference

[azure tundra]

That'll mean I have to take a deep look at each moon and interiors initially offered state to identify the modders intent. Ouch.

[tacit thunder]

yes, unfortunately

[azure tundra]

I might code something. If it works out you can have it. Storing the default then adjusting the child based on combining child and parent.

But I'm not super at statistics.

[tacit thunder]

not sure how you plan on combining the child and parent, but lq already "flattens" the presets into a single preset

[azure tundra]

Combining by any number of math. Average the values in child with parent for example.

[tacit thunder]

i guess that works

[azure tundra]

With special cases. Some moons or interiors have special loot or enemies.

More necessary ideas of special cases once I take a good look. Unfortunately I wanna actually play the game some day and not necessary be spoiled on everything lol.

[tacit thunder]

i just configure things on a case by case basis manually and it's been working out pretty well

[urban canyon]

any currently known incompat issues?

[tacit thunder]

not afaik, the only things would be other mods overriding LQ values

[urban canyon]

yeah ofc

oke

[rustic kindle]

does LLL overrride lq? Config

[tacit thunder]

i think it should

[azure tundra]

...Not for items spawns right? Because that makes it sound like it'd be impossible to get Abandoned Company Assets to load on preconfigured moons.

[tacit thunder]

not abandonedcompanyassets i dont think

[vale escarp]

Any shot this gets ported to an in game ui that's a little more simple?

[azure tundra]

It is a bit confusing but making it ingame would be a massive UI/UX project and it'd be cramped unless you use a similarly small font. This is a productivity tool if you ask me.

Everyone is better off keeping it out-of-gaming.

[tacit thunder]

probably not, i have no clue how to make unity UIs

[sly nymph]

but only if this setting is true? in LLL config

[strong bough]

yes

[solemn pendant]

How do I add football to the spawn table so it would work with using LethalQuantities? Right now the enemy just sits in the void and does nothing after spawning. No errors.

[tacit thunder]

i'm not really sure, ive been encoutering that exact situation myself

[sly nymph]

for some reason i get these spawns

even tho i have other settings in LQ

is wasnt like this a few days ago

[tranquil patrol]

The final probability is based on the spawn curves ontop of the weights

[sly nymph]

but i dont even have blob or crawler or bracken in the settings

it just looks like the default settings

[tranquil patrol]

Oh I see, hmm

I mean idk how accurate the logged probabilities are tbh, could it be the case that those probabilities aren't correct? Just spitballing

[sly nymph]

no i have seen bracken and blob and whatever

bracken spawned outside for some reason

[tranquil patrol]

What do your other enemies lists look like?

[sly nymph]

i see the reason now, its lethalevelloader that overrides it somehow

but this is false

[tranquil patrol]

Oh weird, are you able to turn the config off altogether?

[sly nymph]

i removed the lethalleveleditor.cfg and it works correctly now

[tranquil patrol]

Odd

[sly nymph]

i tihnk maybe because i added a moon the other day it activated the cfg somehow

[fringe plover]

So, I noticed each time I load into offense, the value for locker is different, even though I have it set to an 80 as of right now. Does it not show LQ probabilities in the console?

[tranquil patrol]

The probabilities are the final chance after the weights have been multiplied by whatever value/s are present in the spawn curves. All this means is that the locker has a slightly lower chance of spawning at the moment that log was made

[fringe plover]

Ah, okay.

[rustic kindle]

how do i do it so it doesent do that

[tacit thunder]

just disable the specific portions you don't want to use in the LLL config

[azure timber]

does anyone know what is the id of the don't touch me button? i want to add it through lethal quantities

[sly nymph]

DTMEnemy

[olive plank]

Im new to using this mod and i was wondering how i could stop a specific item from spawning on all moons

I want to use immersive scrap, but im also using scoopys and i want to disable immersive scraps weapons

[midnight halo]

I don't think there's a great way to do this but ppl can correct me if I'm wrong, I would think you would have to go to the moons you want it to be removed from and remove those weapons from the Scrap list (check Scrap and remove those weapons)

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah that ^

There is a search function so it's not too difficult really

[tacit thunder]

yeah, that's the only way

[olive plank]

Oh

Well i guess i have been tweaking

None of my scrap adding mods have been working

[tacit thunder]

rip

you can always clone one of the auto generated presets, delete the original, and then reload the page, which will regenerate a preset for the level

[olive plank]

Oh crap i forgor about that

Ive just been hosting a server thinking that the scrap will get added to the loot table

[tacit thunder]

yeah, unfortunately not. i intend to add a reset to default button or something like that at some point

[olive plank]

I have been hating on immersive scrap for no reason

[surreal flicker]

How can I make more enemies spawn sooner with the spawn curve?

[tranquil patrol]

I have a tool for visualising that hold on

[surreal flicker]

👀

[tranquil patrol]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/s5dmajojxa

[upper sable]

global prices don't seem to work

have everything set to 500 but it's using their default prices

[tranquil patrol]

Do you have the moons listed in the other presets "prices" list?

[upper sable]

in global i have every moon except company listed as 500, in some moons i have other moons listed as 0, not one moon should have its default price

[tranquil patrol]

Are you sure the config is working at all? I'm fairly certain that should be working

[upper sable]

wait no the 0 price ones are working for the moons

but not the global price

so i have to set every moon individually to 500 for every single moon for a modpack with 20-ish moons, brilliant

[tranquil patrol]

Just add all moons to every price list and leave the prices unticked if you want them to use the global price

[upper sable]

oh

thanke 👍

[surreal flicker]

Ok guys
Foggy/dark map
Up to 18 coil heads (by end of day 6AM) as the only enemy except for one masked (half inside & half outside, inside can escape)

This was by 2PM (time was sped up 3x, 7AM Start, 6AM End)

I died seconds after this screenshot as one came behind me and as you can see my flashlight was on the verge of death

[tacit thunder]

what was your enemies list...

[surreal flicker]

coil heads

and more coil heads

oh and I forgot, coil heads

[tacit thunder]

hmmm very interesting....

[surreal flicker]

It was intentional

[tacit thunder]

seems like very exciting gameplay

[surreal flicker]

Hey dark map, flashlights die quick. Jump scare

It's an always night map

oh yea also had dead coil head bodies around the map

so

it fit the theme IG

[tacit thunder]

asteroid is great for that

[surreal flicker]

I added a masked to force you to move

🙂

[astral marten]

@tacit thunder

Why is lethal quantities lying to me.
#1194042915840872548 message

It is showing every other outside monster on the level other than the Forrest Keepers that spawn.

Also another question.

If I change the exterior weights for a moon without touching an added moded monster spawn weight. Can I adjust that modded monsters config and have it pass the change to the Lethal Quantities Presets.json?

Also if I add a new monster mod later will its spawn weights get grandfathered in?

[tacit thunder]

no, if you add any new mods or if the default enemies changes, the new weights will not be reflected in the preset. youd have to delete the old preset for that level and let it regenerate

[fervent scaffold]

Hello! I am noticing that one of the modded moon packages in my profile are missing from the config preset. How do I generate them?

[tacit thunder]

does the moon show up in the terminal when you join the game?

and when you upload the presets.json file after that, does it appear?

[fervent scaffold]

Now it does! Thank you for the help

[tacit thunder]

👍

[dull wharf]

Hey @tacit thunder ! I was thinking about something, right now we have 3 configs for the spawns, 1 inside (Enemies) and 2 outside ( Daytime and Outside). Do you think it's possible to add more of these (even tho they don't exist in base game)?
It would add some more control over what to spawn and when.

[tranquil patrol]

What else would there be?

[dull wharf]

I mean it's still for inside and outside, but more of them like 3 for inside 3 for outside for exemple

[tranquil patrol]

I'm struggling to think what you could do with that that you can't with just one

[tacit thunder]

i have multiple parent inheritance on the todo list, which should sort of make it possible?

[dull wharf]

Oh how does that work ?

[dull wharf]

So for exemple you have 2 outside right now

[tacit thunder]

well, instead of one parent, you can apply multiple parents to one preset

so like GlobalOutside, ThemedOutside, SpecificOutside

[dull wharf]

and you can spawn different monsters on morning than on evening

[tacit thunder]

something like that

not entirely sure how to make it work yet though

[dull wharf]

But that would mean only one of those works at one time right ?

[tacit thunder]

it would depend on the exact settings you have set

since currently it'll look to the parent for any settings, then look to that parent's parent, etc

but this way it'll look through each parent for an acceptable value

[dull wharf]

ok so if you can chose to use multiple of them i guess yeah it would work

[tacit thunder]

yeah

[dull wharf]

Cool, looking forward to it ! Thanks

[tacit thunder]

👍

[tranquil patrol]

You can do that with the ones available tho. The only reason there's a daytime one and they aren't combined is simply because Zeekers made it that way, it's very easy to set it up to instead just be inside and outside

There's different power levels ig but it's balanceable

Plus the daytime enemies don't even really need power levels, just a max amount each

[dull wharf]

How can you do that with one file ?

for exemple i want bugs to spawn only on morning, dogs to spawn only at mid day and giants to spawn only on evening ?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah, each enemy has its own spawn curve you can change

[dull wharf]

ohhhh i see what you mean now

you are right

[tranquil patrol]

There are probably ways to make it a little more user friendly with your suggestion, but I think it would probably complicate things with how daunting it is already

[dull wharf]

yeah for sure

but i didn't thing of your way, i wasn't touching idividual enemy spawn curves

only the main one

[tranquil patrol]

I mean yeah I get it completely, they're more hidden

[tight gate]

my idea of what LQ could possibly look like

the concept isn't rlly finished and i dont feel like working on it rn

[slim iris]

so i'm thinking of adding masked enemy spawns for all levels for #1200695291972685926, is there a way i can do that that's compatible with LQ and other spawn control mods? (i'm assuming LLL as well)

pretty sure what i previously tried (during pre-launch mirage) was I added the masked enemy to StartOfRound.Levels.Enemies as well as OutsideEnemies.
would simply doing that cause any problems with LQ?

i imagine it's more about load order, and whichever runs last keeps their changes

[tacit thunder]

no, that should work just fine

LQ would probably pick up the mirage values as "default' values like any othe rmodded enemy

[slim iris]

ah sounds good, thanks!

[astral marten]

Will this be done is a way where the spawn values of themed moons are respected. So If I set Mirages Masked rarity to 20. Other rarities that are higher will stay higher.

@tacit thunder

I struggle to understand how LQ takes priority and on what. Can you explain this too me?
#1213985212686532638 message

@tacit thunder

[crisp stone]

just realized you could probably actually accidentally do this in the upcoming LLL with a tiny tweak

hm

[green narwhal]

the double ping 💀

[slim iris]

not sure what a themed moon is, and tbh not sure what the answer is until i experiment with it a bit

[slim iris]

even if i do it the way i mentioned will there be any issues with mirage and LLL?

i just want users to be able to have increased masked spawns even if LLL isnt installed

edit: i just realized the method i described earlier wont pick up modded moons depending on where i patch, so maybe i should just use LLL as a soft dependency

[tacit thunder]

LQ changes the values first, so any mods that would change spawns will do so after and override any values set by LQ

[sly nymph]

wait really? because it works in the opposite way for me

[tacit thunder]

yeah, since LQ has a lower priority value, it should always execute before other mods

[sly nymph]

looks like there is some difference, but some mods like herobrine should have weight as well, i have it on 5 in herobrine config

shy guy has 5 in its config as well but showing as 1 in the log

harpghost is 1 in its config but showing 79 for some reason in the log

[tacit thunder]

according to debby: #1213985212686532638 message

[astral marten]

For example. Atlas Abyss is built around the masked enemy. On Atlas Abyss the spawn weight for masked is 100. The way it was done in MEOF is you set a weight and it applies it to the moon's interior. So Atlas Abyss' masked spawn rate dropped to 20 by default. Changing the entire spawn balance on the moon.

[slim iris]

i suppose what i could do is not touch the weight if it's above a certain threshold, cuz what im aiming for is to just make it spawn more often by default, and make them spawn on every moon

(with a config option to turn spawn control off on mirage ofc)

[vapid cave]

I'm trying to use LQ to get data on chance of enemy spawns, weather and minimum-maximum scrap and difficulty for a custom moon but for some reason the moon isn't showing up in my Preset file

Is there something I need to do? I'm new to using LQ😅

[tranquil patrol]

As long as the moon is available, it should show up in a presets file upon opening a game

So just make sure the moon is actually working, that it is available in the store etc

[vapid cave]

It does work

I even loaded in

Wait does the game need to be running while I edit the preset file?

[tranquil patrol]

Nope

[vapid cave]

Odd, can you get it to work? the map is Budapest

[tranquil patrol]

I've never used custom moons and don't rly have the time rn to figure it out, but I know others have been able to use custom moons with LQ

[vapid cave]

It might be an issue with Budapest, it's pretty outdated

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah maybe, I think a bunch of moon mods are moving away from LethalExpansion to using LethalLevelLoader so things might be more stable soon

[vapid cave]

I'm trying to get the values for someone remaking it for LLL 🙃

[tranquil patrol]

Ahh I see, well that's a predicament

Maybe someone else will be able to help more, I've never used custom moons so idk

[surreal flicker]

@tranquil patrol questions

[tranquil patrol]

How can I help

[surreal flicker]

anything below 0 spawns nothing?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah the y value is a chance multiplier, and anything multiplied by 0 is 0, negative values in probability effectively mean 0, so yeah

[surreal flicker]

ok was wondering

I have a time of day extender so I'm trying to adjust everything differently because I have time go by faster for longer nights

[tranquil patrol]

Also you need to add another value at the end of the table with the same Y but slightly bigger X to make it visualise your full table of values

[surreal flicker]

another X value?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah here just add another x1 of like 1.1, and y1 of 4.99 etc

[surreal flicker]

like that?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah you should see the graph actually extend to 1 rather than stop before

Like here it stops at 0.96

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah perfect

[surreal flicker]

cool ty

[tranquil patrol]

Npnp

If you're curious as well, the "chosen value rounded down" bit is mostly just for the Traps curves, cause it uses the curve to determine how many traps to spawn, and obv it can only spawn a whole number of traps

[surreal flicker]

traps I'm not worried about, the mods I have set it to where I like it

"Traps outside"

[tranquil patrol]

Oh dear, good luck

[surreal flicker]

👍

[waxen frost]

I just finished manually setting loot tables for over 30 moons in my pack so I can say with a high level of certainty: the problem is that it's an LE moon. I found in LQ LE moons are missing their own and vanilla loot in the loot table when presets are generated. It has only scrap there that was manually added by other mods like moreinteriors (army helmet, ..), scoopy (fireaxe, weezer guitar, ..), advancedcompany scrap (toy car, light shoes, ..)

[waxen frost]

out of curiosity. how does that work again? does ist just randomly choose a keyframe or actually a random key on the curve?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah it just picks a random Key value

Do if 1 was 10 and 0.9 was 8, and it picked 0.95, 9 would be the number of traps

Idk to how many places the random value is, cause idk Unity

[waxen frost]

yea, it's interesting cause it's kinda not intuitive to set probabilites for varying amounts of traps to spawn that way.
ig it just rolls a random double 0-1 and then gets the value at that key (rounded) from the curve

[vapid cave]

I used LLL config to get a rough estimate, I figured this was the case

[waxen frost]

like make it 20% likely to spawn 5 mines and 80% to spawn 10. Most times in this game it's weights but here it's curves 😄

[tranquil patrol]

I think the value is floored but yeah. Zeekers probably just used the animation curves again for it cause he had already used it so much for the other things. Though it is sort of nice that you can spread the probabilities out unevenly, like having x= 0.9, y = 6 and x = 1, y = 12 si there's like a 90% chance it's below 6, but that last 10% is much more volatile

[waxen frost]

I can get you the values saved to AC presets if you want. it has stuff like dungeon size which lll doesn't have in its config

[vapid cave]

That'd be great! The moon is Budapest, you can dm me the info

[waxen frost]

yea, absolutely. One doesn't have to achieve exact values or probabilities anyways. Just sometimes a bit hard to wrap your head around how to achieve the stuff you envision for profile.

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah that's why I made the desmos thing tbh, cause it isn't very intuitive for anyone but Zeekers who has direct control over the project settings

Which is fair, it wasn't made to have the public prying

[waxen frost]

sorry for the bloated loot table. important stuff at the top. dungeon size is 3

[surreal flicker]

@tranquil patrol Thoughts on this flow?

[tranquil patrol]

Depends on the enemy you're spawning and how impactful it is but this could work

[surreal flicker]

coil heads 😏

[tranquil patrol]

Ah then yeah I think that's good

I just noticed I think I accidentally deleted one of my presets files

I'm

Cry

[surreal flicker]

oh no 😢

I really wanna use the don't blink mod but I only want it to trigger when near coil heads

[slim iris]

@tacit thunder LQ's patch for registering its spawns is RoundManager.Awake as a postfix patch right?
i'm assuming other mods that change spawns should do a prefix patch so LQ can pick up the modified value(s) afterwards?

[tacit thunder]

it changes the spawns in the roundmanager loadnewlevel

it uses the awake just to get the defaults

[slim iris]

ah gotcha

oh wait since it's on a prefix patch as well, am i supposed to just set my patch's priority higher than yours? since you said LQ will pick up the changes

@crisp stone if i register my spawn rate changes in RoundManager.LoadNewLevel as a high priority prefix patch, does that sound like it'd be compatible with LLL as well? or will LLL just completely rewrite the spawn rate changes i've made?

i could still do a soft dependency and just use your new method(s) if LLL is found and just default to what i mentioned, but if a soft dependency isn't required, i'd prefer just doing that instead

[crisp stone]

i dont do stuff on loadnewlevel 👍

[slim iris]

does doing a patch like that sound like it could conflict with LLL though? just wanna make sure

cuz im just not sure how LLL handles other mods changing spawns

since LQ seems to just accept any changes as part of its config

[crisp stone]

nothing your looking to do rn should cause any issue with LLL until I do stuff that you'll want to use instead

[slim iris]

sounds good, if you do end up doing stuff then i'll fix it later

[tacit thunder]

doing changes on startnewround shouldn't cause any issues, no matter the priority

if you do use roundmanager.loadnewlevel, then yes, you'd need to use a priority lower than 100

i think lethallib registers custom enemy rarities in the startofround awake patch, which is probably a good place if you want to make any changes appear "default"

https://github.com/EvaisaDev/LethalLib/blob/21ce5a4cc67c173b7f7881c19c15f8d1e29ac087/LethalLib/Modules/Enemies.cs#L152

[tranquil patrol]

Can I clarify about this real quick.. With LethalQuantities changes, is there much of a performance hit or increased loading times while using it? And are the performance hits mostly for the host, or does each player run the changes individually?

I'm probably wording that question terribly but hopefully you get the picture

@tacit thunder
I'm goin bed soon

[tacit thunder]

sorry, i already went to bed

there's an increased loading time the first time a player joins or hosts a game, but once you're actually playing, there's pretty much no impact on any joined players, and very little on the host

[tranquil patrol]

Alright thank you, sounds good

[hallow cosmos]

I'm thoroughly stuck and I sadly can't search Discord fourms, so please forgive me for my stupid question but does anyone know why every bit of scrap I set a weight to in Global ends up being 1 pound unless the weight is set for the same scrap on each individual moon?

[tranquil patrol]

Haven't heard that one before, so a perfect question tbh. This sounds like it could be a bug, but I'd need more info on how you have the file set up to say for sure

[hallow cosmos]

I can send over my preset, but I don't think it'd help. Tried on a fresh one with just the scrap modified and it was still 1 pound, even if the only enabled mod was LQ

[midnight halo]

you should still send it for confirmation and if it doesnt make any sense even to us it's probably a bug

us as in Banana or Debby

Debby i don't think devs but does help a lot

[hallow cosmos]

Sure! Sorry for the mess, here you go. If you need any log files I'd be happy to send them over. I scrubbed them myself for anything but I didn't even see a single warn message. I also should note that I had some friends on and that no matter what I did, their weights were always set to the defaults that the game had. (ie. Big Bolt being set to 12lb, but was registering as 19lb to them) I had my friend send over their Presets.json as well, and it was the exact same as the one in the modpack so I don't think it was an issue with the code transfer.
I was certain I was just missing something, but if it's really a bug I'm sorry to add more work onto you guys!! 😅

[tranquil patrol]

I will have a look later if someone else doesn't <3

[tranquil patrol]

Correct I just like to help to take pressure off Banana, and I think I have a good idea of how it works

[silk stream]

How do you change the spawn Weight of an enemy on every Moon?

[tranquil patrol]

Untick the weight on every moon, and then set a new weight in a parent preset (usually Global)

[silk stream]

Oh ok

Thanks

[tacit thunder]

yeah that's pretty much the only way

[tacit thunder]

the weights might be host only currently... that's a bug for sure. i dont know why it would set it to 1 pound though, id have to look into it

it's not really recommended to change the weight per moon though, since i don't know how that affects existing scrap on the ship

[tranquil patrol]

I'm not sure if it matters, but is the .json named Presets.json in everyone's config folders? Cause the file you sent over is called "uG1PhOW.json"

[hallow cosmos]

Yes it's named Presets.json for everyone, my filenames get scrambled when I send them. Sorry for the confusion!

[tranquil patrol]

From what I'm seeing in the file it seems like everything is set up correctly. Only thought is, like Banana said, having different weights on different planets might be causing issues. I'd recommend setting weight in Global and unticking the weight for all scrap on all moons

[hallow cosmos]

I'd tried it with a fresh config with only the weights set in Global. Still only 1 pound.

[tranquil patrol]

Hmm must be a bug then :(

Worth sending the log for Banana just in case @hallow cosmos

[hallow cosmos]

Can do! Lemme grab a fresh one for yall.

[tacit thunder]

yeah, ill have to do some testing, it's definitely pretty strange

[hallow cosmos]

Here, I put it in a pastebin to avoid cluttering up the chat. https://pastebin.com/0ebrdBMd
LQ and BepInEx are the only two mods enabled, on a fresh save with only the V-type engine and Big bolt values modified. I'd loaded in, picked up an engine, then left the moon.

[tacit thunder]

👍

[hallow cosmos]

Let me know if there's anything else I can do make the process easier for you!! I hate presenting bugs to mod devs, I know the pain 😓

[tranquil patrol]

Better to do it than not tbh. The bug exists regardless of whether or not you find it, it's just about how you bring it up

Like "how dare you, how could you be so dumb as to allow this bug to exist???" vs "hey i found this bug, here's all the info"

[slim iris]

hey banana, how compatible is LQ alongside LLL? is it required to disable LLL's spawn control configs?

there was a mention of it in #modding-general so i just wanted to double check

[tranquil patrol]

Well, we were talking about interiors specifically, idk about the rest

[slim iris]

oh whoops i missed that part, thought it was about spawning the whole time 😅

[waxen frost]

LQ changes spawns way after LLL does anything with them. It does most of its stuff in LoadNewLevel prefix.
I think if you change values in LLL config LQ would see those as default values when it generates presets.

[slim iris]

yeah thats what i remember banana saying it does, but turns out debby and mickmick were talking about interiors instead of spawns

[waxen frost]

oh i see

[tacit thunder]

it should work just fine with LLL afaik

👍

[ionic crag]

hello, does LQ ignore interior mods spawn rate config if i change them in the WebUi?

[tacit thunder]

depends on which mods, but probably

[ionic crag]

Which interior that LQ doesn't support?

[green narwhal]

Hey, how does LQ work with MeteoMultiplier? Which mod's configuration gets applies?

[tranquil patrol]

LQ doesn't change scrap value based on weather, so both work

[green narwhal]

i'm asking because MM changes scrapValueMultiplier and scrapAmountMultiplier in RoundManager, and - i'm guessing - this mod does the same

[tranquil patrol]

I'm pretty sure Banana uses Meteo in his own games so I'm p sure it's okay

[green narwhal]

okay, that's good to know 😄

[tacit thunder]

im not sure, but meteo multiplier probably overrides LQ

i mostly use meteo for the random moon price changes, and it works pretty well

[tacit thunder]

it should work with all interiors

[lament hemlock]

Does anyone know if the .json for LQ overrides the general configs for modded enemy or dungeon spawns? For example, the spawn rate in the rolling giant config. Or should I disable those from their own configs and just use LQ.

[dull wharf]

LQ will take what you set in the mod config as default

if you change it in LQ, LQ settings will take the priority

Unless it's not compatible ( ex: shy guy without the mod that patches it)

[lament hemlock]

Awesome, thank you!

What’s the patch for shyguy?

[dull wharf]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DBJ/ShyGuyPatcherPatcher/

[green narwhal]

that's good to know

[tranquil patrol]

Would you happen to know what other common enemies have their own patchers? Or what I should look for to determine whether they have one?

[dull wharf]

To my knowledge there isn't any other, but i think others should work

[tranquil patrol]

Hm alright, thanks. I've heard whispers of others but nothing concrete

[dull wharf]

Shy guy didn't because is spawning was made in a way that he patches after LQ if i remember right

[dull wharf]

Oh which one ? had problems spawning shrimp and fiend outside myself but Banana could spawn them by putting a higher value on the spawn curve

[tranquil patrol]

I heard of Immortal Snail but I haven't gotten round to testing it at all so could be false

[dull wharf]

I don't have that one either so maybe it's true haha

[slim iris]

not sure if it's true, but i remember someone saying they "spawn" while you're in the main menu 🤨

[tranquil patrol]

Wh what, how does that even work

[crisp stone]

cap

skinwalker person was misinformed

[tacit thunder]

the fiend ive have similar issues with, not sure though. the rolling giant may have some? but unconfirmed. freddy kreuger im not sure whether or not it's meant to be spawned in through vanilla methods, and i don't spawn slenderman because there's the page mechanic

peepers have their own spawn mechanic too so i dont add those

[slim iris]

hey banana, do u happen to know if there's EnemyType "prefabs" that's stored somewhere?
just wondering since not every moon will have a SpawnableEnemyWithRarity of what i need, and while i have the enemy's prefab, i wouldn't know what to set the rest of the values as

[crisp stone]

no

all the info u need is spawnableenemywithrarity

[slim iris]

that's what i'm trying to make, since a bunch of levels are missing one for masked enemies.
i suppose the simplest solution is to just use the first one found in the list, and copy it to the rest, but that sounds hella scuffed

[crisp stone]

No u just

spawnableenemywithrarity mynewonw = new SpawnableEnemyWithRarity()

and just set the two values

[slim iris]

yeah but one of the values is an EnemyType and that's what i'm trying to figure out, since i only have a prefab of the MaskedPlayerEnemy, is there some basic fundemental thing im missing here 🤔

[crisp stone]

how did you get the prefab

[slim iris]

grabbed it from NetworkManager.NetworkConfig.Prefabs.m_Prefabs in a postfix GameNetworkManager.Start patch

[crisp stone]

oh

[slim iris]

oh wait......

[crisp stone]

don’t

[slim iris]

it's an enemy type there

oh whats wrong with that

[crisp stone]

wym by that

[slim iris]

the prefab there contains an EnemyType but i only saved it as a GameObject which is why i was confused

[crisp stone]

you want the enemytype of it yes, safest way is to find it in the levels

Oh does enemyai have a reference to enemytype

[slim iris]

oh wait yeah that's the thing i'm looking at actually whoops

im just being extra dumb cuz it's 7am

[slim iris]

when u said this, are u referring to taking the prefab from m_Prefabs though? cuz if so, what exactly is wrong with that?

[crisp stone]

its fine just was worried that you might be editing it at unideal moment

[slim iris]

ah

[crisp stone]

If it has enemytype then your gucci

[slim iris]

yeee sounds good

thanks a bunch for the help, i'll credit u and banana on my next release 🙏

[crisp stone]

yipeee

[solemn pendant]

Is there ever going to be compatibility between LQ and Football?
Right now when it spawns it just stands in the void doing nothing and only activates (sometimes) when you pick up its item, the train.
||Or is there already a fix for this that i don't know about?||

[mint laurel]

can you edit prices of store items with this?

[tacit thunder]

not sure how football is coded, so i cant really provide compatibility atm, unfortunately

[tacit thunder]

no

[tacit thunder]

yeah i think that is the most ideal way

[tulip wharf]

heya, i just want to make sure how this works: if i check anything in the WebUI, then that setting will get replaced no matter how other mods set it, and if it's not checked then it's default?

for ex. i want The Saint scrap to spawn on Vow, so i check Scrap in Vow's preset and add The Saint, and when i do this everything that's not in the Scrap List will not get spawned? (Parent in Global, which is default)

[indigo pewter]

yes

Vow will only spawn the items in the item list for Vow, regardless of what any parent presets have configured

any setting that is checked in the vow item list will be applied for vow specifically

if a setting for a listed item is not checked, it will inherit the value from its parent preset

if the parent preset (or its parent, or its parent, etc) does not have that setting checked, it will not be touched by LQ

[tulip wharf]

is there a way to get the default list of things? or it's the list generated when you check it?

[indigo pewter]

its the list generated when you check it

if you need to regenerate the default list, you need to delete the preset and assign a fresh new one to the moon

[tulip wharf]

gotcha, thank you!

[tulip wharf]

just to make sure, after these i need to turn everything in the config TRUE right?

oh nvm it's only for legacy

[dense timber]

Is it possible to delete unused moon entries?

[tranquil patrol]

They'll regenerate the defaults when you delete them but yeah

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah just leave the config all disabled

[dense timber]

How do you delete them that's what I'm asking

[tranquil patrol]

Click on the text above the moons that says "Presets" and then you should see a delete button next to all the presets

[dense timber]

Aaah thanks

I always forget that that's a button you can click on

[earnest wedge]

Does this mod work with Hullbreaker? It seems the settings from the preset are overriding things like Item Mystery (turns all items into pickles) only works on items that I haven't adjusted with LQ, and the Landmines event seems to be getting overridden by the landmine spawn curve I have from LQ.

[tacit thunder]

not sure about the mystery and stuff, but maybe?

hullbreaker should definitely override LQ if anything

id have to take a look though since im not sure where they're making modifications

[urban terrace]

@tacit thunder hey question for you, through making my own moon i've realized there's no mods that let you edit the "Threat Level" property of moons, is that something within the scope of stuff that LQ could possibly edit?

like how Titan is threat level S etc

since you can sort by threat level for some of the terminal mods and people adjust the difficulty of moons, it would be cool to be able to edit it if possible, idk how hard that would be

[sly nymph]

TerminalPlus calculates the rank by its own

[urban terrace]

oh sick, that must have been in the most recent update

I can see that now in its changelog thats cool

[sly nymph]

But i agree that it would be useful to be able to change in LQ as well

[urban canyon]

yeah i really wanna be able to edit this

[tacit thunder]

sorry, it's been on the todo list but i havent had the time to work on LQ

[urban canyon]

its oke

as long as it's eventually coming

[waxen frost]

yea, everything from hullbreaker will be overriden by LQ if you set it. I'm working on a fork of hullbreaker that is fully compatible with LQ. I mean it's pretty much done. I just haven't released the latest version which makes it compatible

I think the latest original hullbreaker release also has a bug with the item mystery event, where it doesn't reset until you switch moons.

[tacit thunder]

hmm

[weak hollow]

any chance you could make it similar to the ambiguous fork?

[waxen frost]

that's it actually 🙂 I just haven't pushed an update yet

[crisp stone]

next lll should have options for this

because i now have a system to dynamically assign the most relevant risk level based on calculated dynamic level difficulty

[waxen frost]

I checked your code and comments in there and you're thinking of priorities the wrong way around I'm pretty sure.
Priority.Normal (default) is 400. You have 100 on your LoadNewLevel Prefix which means every other prefix without defined priority comes before LQ and thus LQ overrides any changes with its own values. I use priority 50 on my LoadNewLevel prefix in Hullbreaker fork to change rarities and stuff after LQ does.
I have to admit as it's my first time doing anything with Harmony their documentation on this is super bad and I had to figure that out by trial and error.

[tacit thunder]

hmm, i was under the impression that lower priority numbers executed first

but i see, ill have to add a fix for that next update

https://harmony.pardeike.net/api/HarmonyLib.Priority.html

[severe harness]

Uh should I submit a log file for now, I tried out the mod via v50 to see if it works and no

Eh might as well for at least documentation's sake

Game hangs when generating seed for a moon

[tranquil patrol]

I heard that the flow for generating interiors changed so that could be it

[tacit thunder]

it seems like the enemy power level variable name was changed

ill do some testing on my end and fix it

[crisp stone]

power level is now split into outside and inside

and RoundManager.dungeonFlowTypes is now a little data class which is just <DungeonFlow, int dungeonMapSize> dict

[tacit thunder]

i see

it's good that it doesn't change much