How to Make a Custom Moon in Lethal Company | Lethal Level Loader

[green spear]

dude

there is nothing wrong at all

wth

[green spear]

alright

so

turns out

if i try to route to my moon as a first moon in fresh save

the game crashes

however if i try to run it on the second day

map works just fine

[outer pendant]

Did you try removing the none weather?

[green spear]

ill try

nope

still crash

[valid umbra]

Tempting to ruin

[outer pendant]

_>

[outer pendant]

Your situation has perplexed me

[green spear]

imagine i'm trying to debug it for few hours now

yeah

so im unable to route to my moon on the first day

but other days work

does it even make sense at this point?

[outer pendant]

screenshot your full selectable level for me

[outer pendant]

I'm not seeing anything that should break on day one but not the others really

Try rounding your decimals to integers

Shouldn't be the issue, but we're grasping at straws here

[ancient meadow]

catalyst? maybe catalystscene?

[green spear]

nope
scene name is catalyst

[green spear]

literally all i've added in new update was SFX's and some object position rearranged

hmm

[ancient meadow]

level id

0

[outer pendant]

To confirm, if you load a prior version it works fine?

[ancient meadow]

don't put your numbers in there

[green spear]

yep

[outer pendant]

LevelID I think gets thrown away by LLL

[green spear]

literally older verson has the same settings and it works just fine ._.

[outer pendant]

iirc LevelID gets set at runtime by the game just to give each moon a numeric identifier

[ancient meadow]

it is better to set 0 so that LLL gives the value itself

[green spear]

alright

the moon still crashes the game

OMG

[outer pendant]

?

[green spear]

im just going insane sorry

[outer pendant]

oh lol

[green spear]

whole log

maybe someone here can figure this out

[ancient meadow]

interesting

[green spear]

log from previous version

[ancient meadow]

in the new version, what did you add?

[green spear]

few SFX's for the outside

few props

and adjusted some of props position

literally all

and changed weather values

[ancient meadow]

can I see the status of the SFX?

[ancient meadow]

do it with triggers

[green spear]

output was set to master(diagestic) before

audio reverb triggers?

[ancient meadow]

although it's kind of weird

[green spear]

i mean, idk if i can do it with triggers, because its sfx for stuff like working machines

so it should play all the time

one thing i've noticed in vanilla SFX

they got additional script

but

[ancient meadow]

There is an option if you have a crashing game maybe try to free up RAM

[ancient meadow]

or let someone with a NASA computer test it

[green spear]

literally i have 64GB's of ram

don't ask why

xD

[ancient meadow]

just delete

script

[green spear]

i mean, its sfx from vanilla

[ancient meadow]

it's an Audio reverb script

[green spear]

but i have no clue what kind of script it uses

[ancient meadow]

should work without the script

It works for me personally

[outer pendant]

That shouldn't have anything to do with it failing to load on day one but working past that tho

[ancient meadow]

the problem is something else

[green spear]

darn

[valid umbra]

Audio sources are literally just audio sources, you dont have to assign them a clip or anything, iirc you just have to give them an output

[outer pendant]

@green spear what are your dungeon flows?

[ancient meadow]

I'm looking at the logs and there's literally nothing to tell me what the problem is

[green spear]

mostly facility and low chance for mansion

[ancient meadow]

try deleting the LLL cfg

[green spear]

but i want a specific audio to play :P

[green spear]

where is it?

[outer pendant]

hold on

[green spear]

it doesn't seems like its SFX's problem because after disabling them crash sill occurs

[valid umbra]

yeah so you'd give them the clip in code or whatever lol, the way I do it is just make the audio sources for whether i want something to play over the world or a local sound through messing with sound settings and play whatever clip I want through a list of audio clips I have already made in code

[valid umbra]

if thats all you added, revert to the previous version and just restart what you're doing tbh

[green spear]

i don't have an backup ;-;

[outer pendant]

@green spear did you modify the shipnavmesh group at all? Or the reverb trigger floating in the air positioned vertically?

[ancient meadow]

try it

[green spear]

doesn't work

[ancient meadow]

Maybe, but this warning is in both logs

[green spear]

not really?
the cube is disabled and i only changed reverb triggers sound change for my planet ambience

should i enable this floating cube?

[valid umbra]

after this, use github :p

[outer pendant]

worth trying

[green spear]

i have no idea how to

[valid umbra]

@outer pendant do you use github?

[green spear]

im not a programmer at all

[valid umbra]

I'd help but i've never done moon making so idk what should be kept off hte github

[outer pendant]

Not really, I've just made traditional backups whenever major changes happen

[valid umbra]

:p

[green spear]

the crash still exist

at this point im clueless again

[outer pendant]

disable the Environment, build, test

[green spear]

still crashes 😂

so its not the env thing

weird

[ancient meadow]

rollback?

[green spear]

nvm

after disabling whole environment

the game doesn't crash

[green spear]

i think ill give up

[outer pendant]

Nah don't give up, you just made progress

Disable the stuff in the environment one by one to narrow it down further

[valid umbra]

yeah you're getting closer to the problem

[green spear]

at this point

i reverted almost everything

and deleted new stuff

and my moon crashes the game

...

i love unity

maybe ill try to reinstall editor

[green spear]

im so mentally tired rn

[outer pendant]

That'd be like dropping a bomb to kill a bug lol

All you gotta do is keep narrowing it down, the problem will reveal itself eventually

[green spear]

but i've already reverted everything

._.

[outer pendant]

You've missed something then, so just trust the process for now, if the problem remains elusive, we'll keep addressing it after that

[green spear]

@sleek saddle am i able to pull files out of lethalbundle or at least preview them for example my level settings like weather values, description etc

?

[green spear]

Eh

[prime wadi]

not really unless you use assetripper or whatevs on the asset bundle itself

that i know of*

[knotty narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-gif-1471368634578542573

I hope I'll eventually be able to fix the damned music not working

[green spear]

Whats not working?

[sleek saddle]

@green spear is this still the no error crash

[knotty narwhal]

Any ambience or music I try to trigger just doesn’t work and I’m going mad

I haven’t figured it out and it’s been a week

[green spear]

For me personally i just copied blizzard ambience from dine to my planet and then i changed audio clip

[knotty narwhal]

Interesting, I’ll give it a shot thank you :))

[green spear]

turns out lighting and my map objects are causing game to crash

no idea why

[golden osprey]

Well that's progress at least

[outer pendant]

Shadows probably?

Too many shadows and the game is kil

[green spear]

alright

so at this point im giving up xd

i have no clue what is wrong

i fixed lighting

and everything worked

and now

when i adjusted sun position

it doesn't work xd

[outer pendant]

What broke this time?

By which I mean in what manner did it break

[green spear]

i have no clue

the map works only when i disable all my props and lighting

if any of these are turned on

moon crash

is it possible that idk

asset bundle compiler is broke or something?

i remember one thing honestly
before updating my moon i've decided to try nomnoms patcher, more specific if im able to patch project after it already was patched
i did created a copy of my project and then patcher corrupted it so i deleted files

idk if this might have any connections

sigh

im giving up

there is no way why does this moon crashes

[outer pendant]

Test turning off shadows on your direct light

https://tenor.com/view/hey-motivation-baymax-not-giving-up-gif-3852810

[green spear]

looks like turning off shadows fixes the issue

[outer pendant]

Okay, so any grass or other details you have need to be marked as not casting shadows

[green spear]

i don't have anything like that

eh

any other ideas? @outer pendant

[outer pendant]

Do you have a lot of anything in particular that's marked for casting shadows?

[green spear]

you mean this?

[outer pendant]

Yes

[valid umbra]

You're so close danielus

Just a tiny bit more work

[green spear]

nvm

i just turned off casting shadows

builded

and still crash

...

iwtkms

[outer pendant]

does turning off shadows on your direct light still prevent the crash?

[valid umbra]

Hmm idk how interior lights work, but can u delete em and just remake em? Presumably its something u arent seeing

Not interior, moon lights*

[green spear]

im so confused

[valid umbra]

Whats up?

[green spear]

anyway

disabling shadows doesn't help xdddddddddddd

i mean

it worked once

AND NOW IT DOES NOTHING HAHAHAHA

im going insane

the problem does not exist

and exist

at the same time

https://tenor.com/view/robbster-cmg-fivem-community-of-multiplayer-gaming-stewie-gif-15014301

at this point

@outer pendant may i send you my whole project for you to export it on your pc?

[outer pendant]

I won't be able to look at it for a while (working on my stuff), but yea, send me these

[green spear]

alright

[cinder wasp]

do enemy prefab objects affect enemy max count and power level?

[outer pendant]

Nope

[sleek saddle]

@green spear id still like to peep your terrain settings just incase

[green spear]

Geez, i already Turned off my pc

Give me a while

[green spear]

@sleek saddle

here is also outofbounds terrain

[sleek saddle]

turn draw instanced on on oob terrain

try that

turn raytracing off for good measure too but i dont think that matters

[ancient meadow]

3000x3000? you're gonna fly a plane?

ahah

[green spear]

Thats the outofbounds terrain

[ancient meadow]

ah okey

[green spear]

I thought it is better to have one large object rather than few smaller

[sleek saddle]

yesn't probhapsably

very case dependant

[green spear]

Im starting to believe that this might be the main problem

[sleek saddle]

do the thing i told you to first

[green spear]

Ill do it tommorow 😮‍💨
Tho, i don't think thats the reason for crash
Previous version of the map had those settings and everything works fine ;-;

[sleek saddle]

im not trying to be a dick but like

im not saying it for no reason

[green spear]

Yeah, i know

[green spear]

i have no clue why

but it fixed my crash issue @sleek saddle

really thank you..

i have no clue why this happend in the first place, because before everything just worked smooth

but god

finally im over this nightmare

[sleek saddle]

😔

i forgive you

[green spear]

[sleek saddle]

so real talk

basically its cuz unity tries to initialise the like rendering of your terrain all in the single, first frame

terrain's are somewhat unoptimisised so the size and quality settings can overwelm the game and cause unity to just die

setting it to instanced offloads this work to the gpu

[green spear]

alright

ill remember that

god i hate unity

[knotty narwhal]

I don’t know why I’m so happy to see that

Thank you Batby

[green spear]

may i ask you @sleek saddle about something?
For some reason the eclipse weather doesn't show up in terminal on my planet

tho its the only random weather

[sleek saddle]

how are you checking

[green spear]

just going to terminal>moons

[outer pendant]

On day one, I think it's always "Current Weather" that takes effect

[green spear]

yeah but day 2 and 3 stays the same

[sleek saddle]

does override weather work

[green spear]

wdym

[sleek saddle]

if you set override weather to true

and eclipsed

[green spear]

like this?

[sleek saddle]

ye

[green spear]

alright, now it works

now the only thing left if to fix eclipse texture so its positions in on the sun xD

i have no clue how to do it tho

[valid umbra]

Star would know

Annoy the heck iutta him

[green spear]

@outer pendant

[outer pendant]

Are you using sfDesat's lighting set-up? (Physically based sky instead of HDRI)

[green spear]

no

im using the same as in your tutorial

[outer pendant]

Hm, if you're using a vanilla lighting setup it should already be lined up. Doublecheck the values

[green spear]

each moon has its own sun position tho

[outer pendant]

did you move the sun without moving the eclipse texture?

[green spear]

i was moving whole container

darn

[outer pendant]

?

[green spear]

the sun is this big star

and the eclipse is the dark dot

😂

[outer pendant]

Have you messed with the animations at all?

[green spear]

i would say no, because recently i copied sun from the rend and replaced my old sun with it

[outer pendant]

That's really weird, it should already be matched up

[green spear]

alright, lets just copy one from dine and try again

yeah

now it works

yipee

[outer pendant]

sorry, it does or doesn't work now?

[green spear]

misspelling xd

now it works

[valid umbra]

Copying doesn't always work out

Vanilla stuff might be configured in a really weird way that would be specific for that map and changing its values sometimes makes sense but taking it out doesnt

Learned that the hard way

[green spear]

zeekers really not cooked right with the game code xd

[outer pendant]

as long as it works, that's all that matters 🤭

[green spear]

im the type of person, who wants to have control and awareness over how everything works so i can be confident in what im doing

[outer pendant]

Same!

[valid umbra]

You can copy all the values, just not at once

That'll help show what each value does

And if its not a visual change, then just ask

[knotty narwhal]

Urgh time to learn how triggers and animations work

That’s gonna be hard

[valid umbra]

its not hard at all

[knotty narwhal]

🤯

[valid umbra]

if you chill out for a second so I can actually send a resource that'd help you 😂

[knotty narwhal]

yes!

And don’t worry I am very chill

[outer pendant]

Don't wait. Struggle through it

[knotty narwhal]

Im also freezing someone help me Canada is cold

[valid umbra]

taken sraight from my notes lol

you'd do this to trigger an animation, trigger being something like startWalk or whatever trigger parameters you set up

and here, just in case you may need this sub section lol

[golden osprey]

Xu are you busy right now, I hate pinging mods in case they're busy

[valid umbra]

not busy no

[golden osprey]

Can you or someone you push the job onto verify in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1216821603485094009 that I have indeed made a mod and am eligible for the role? I wanted to get access to the showcase channel

Also the https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1217558052891525210 dev should be elligible

[valid umbra]

last time it was WIP iirc thats why it was only a pin :p

[golden osprey]

Yeah I get it, thanks a lot!

[knotty narwhal]

I have commited Ash Twin

[sleek saddle]

hey moon nerds

little pro gamer tip

the bake of your moon is only used to place random outside objects

if you wanna save on filesize this bake can be pretty shit! because after placing them the game rebakes at runtime using whatever settings you have

not to dunk on wesley but as an exaple astroid13's navmesh went from like 9.6mb to almost 1mb

very ezpz gains

[outer pendant]

wait wha

[sleek saddle]

oh you didnt know that?

[outer pendant]

So don't bake occlusion or navmesh?

Just have them set up?

[sleek saddle]

nah bake navmesh but the baked navmesh file asset is only used when spawning the random outside objects like trees, pumpkins etc.

it rebakes at runtime because the bake needs to account for those placed objects

so the actual baked navmesh file you bundle doesn't need to use high quality/accuracy settings

[outer pendant]

if it's low accuracy in Unity, then won't LC rebake also be low accuracy?

[sleek saddle]

set settings to garbage >bake >unset

[outer pendant]

ah

fair play to ya

[sleek saddle]

It can be slightly tedious depending on the context but for some maps could be pretty notable gains

[outer pendant]

Ideally you want to bake navmesh as little as possible, so not even that tedious

[sleek saddle]

If you map has to be like 70-90mb anyway for reasons then the diff might be chill but for example I managed to get astroid13 to like 6mb total

so the gains matter wayy more

[outer pendant]

noiceeee

[golden osprey]

Going to have to learn all these optimization tricks because mine is getting chunky in size and I'm not even done adding to it.

[ornate wagon]

I believe Bozoros will be pushing about 90mb + an extra 30 for something else I'm adding

[sleek saddle]

I’d love to see why (without any judging tone)

[ornate wagon]

its a mix of things, and I don't mind, it is a lot lmao

I decided against cutting resolutions of certain textures because I personally play with HDLC and the map looks so much better with it turned on

A lot of it is due to the new music tracks in the insanity queues, and now I have two firework music tracks that are being used

Config file will have an option to tick on DMCA free

Most of it is audio and some of it is texture resolutions

[knotty narwhal]

Yeah audio is fair

I guess you could compress it?? Idk how any of it works

You’d lose the quality right

[ornate wagon]

i compressed my files down

bozoros outside is now 68mb

[sleek saddle]

id love to see the asset bundle browser window ordered by filesize

[hushed kestrel]

@outer pendant so I followed all the steps in your youtube tutorial, but I'm running into an issue. I lowered the terrain like you said to be below the ship (even have my little player height ref) but when I actually load into the level in game, the ship just phases through the ground like the terrain is still above where its supposed to be, any idea if I messed something up?

(screenshot is just to show where I set up the ship)

[outer pendant]

It's possible that you accidentally moved the ship stuff as well. Go into a vanilla scene and re-copy the ship navmesh for comparison

[hushed kestrel]

just copy/paste from a different scene into the scene i'm running?

[outer pendant]

Yee

[hushed kestrel]

well you're right, it's way off lmao

how in the hell did I do that

[outer pendant]

Probably grabbed the whole environment parent

[hushed kestrel]

...I may have done what I always do and default things to 0/0/0 in terms of position

that... that would explain a lot

[outer pendant]

Lmaooo

You deviated from the tutorial! >:|

[hushed kestrel]

not on purpose!!!! xD

[knotty narwhal]

I may have screwed up my sun

I kept playing with it to see my moon during day and night to make sure it looks good, but now the sun starts halfway in the sky

Normally setting the direct light’s position at 0 0 0 fixed it but now it just doesn’t

: - )

[outer pendant]

Well, same solution, copy the position from a vanilla scene lol

Or if you're using sfDesat's stuff, just copy the local position from within the prefab and it should give you the correct starting point again

[hushed kestrel]

do I just run the asset bundle stuff again to re-put in the stuff to test?

[outer pendant]

Yep, nothing changes without rebuilding the bundles

[hushed kestrel]

ezpz

ty

working on a moon while I wait for assets for my interior

[knotty narwhal]

Yeah that makes sense I’m an idiot

Thank you 🙂

I guess I can copy it and put it at 0 0 0

[outer pendant]

Not an idiot! Just a simple mistake :3

[hushed kestrel]

it has worked!

[outer pendant]

Dope. My interior is coming along swimmingly

[hushed kestrel]

now why is my lighting blinding

it's pure white xD

[outer pendant]

Uh, what did you change?

[hushed kestrel]

I don't believe I changed anything but I might just double check the section of the video related to lighting

[golden osprey]

Lmk of you end up doing anything with those worms binder... 😈

[knotty narwhal]

I have a few custom interior ideas but I’ll need a proper Audio Knight tutorial for that

[knotty narwhal]

Truuuue, I’m at school rn, but I’ll try right after!

[golden osprey]

Did you set the exposure to -2

[hushed kestrel]

...y'know what it was @outer pendant

I still had the default sun/sky stuff

in the scene

from a new scene

[golden osprey]

Ah that too

[outer pendant]

Lmao I thought it might be something like that

[knotty narwhal]

I’ll have to figure out triggers, particles, events and animations soon

[outer pendant]

That'd be a helluva lot more work than the moon tutorial xD

[golden osprey]

I haven't even started messing with that, good luck

[knotty narwhal]

I don’t doubt it lol

[hushed kestrel]

the Major one in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206155878647078912 is very good though its a bit outdated

if you use the nomnom asset ripper it works flawlessly though

[outer pendant]

For complete ease of use, I'd recommend having a separate project for DunGen related activities tho. If you try to keep everything in your main project (like me bc I'm lazy) then you have to direct the patcher's runtime asset to a folder that doesn't have LLL if you want to test the interior generation

[hushed kestrel]

I do remember you having that issue

[knotty narwhal]

You can make multiple moons in one project?!

Oh yeah

Different scenes

That’s crazy, that means you can save on space by reusing custom assets

Binder’s big realization

[golden osprey]

There are benefits to separating them though since some people don't want the extra load time or storage space. Works with Starlancer because the moons are super efficient on space through some black magic

[knotty narwhal]

yeah I totally get that

Hiding a.. huhhh.. secret moon would be hard

[golden osprey]

I think you can just set it to be invisible in editor? I haven't touched the setting for that

[knotty narwhal]

Ooo

[golden osprey]

LLL supports hiding moons so I assume that's what the setting on the extended level object (I think?) does

Idk if hiding it just removes it from the listed moons or just makes it inaccessible though

[knotty narwhal]

I think it hides it

But how would I include it if all my moons are separate

[golden osprey]

No idea

[knotty narwhal]

“Oh yeah, giants deep is twice as big as the other moons, don’t ask questions” lol

Maybe

[golden osprey]

Also ||hidden quantum moon? 👀||

[knotty narwhal]

Totally not, I have no idea what you’re talking about

[hushed kestrel]

clearly you're just bad at optimisation xD

[knotty narwhal]

[golden osprey]

I am!

[knotty narwhal]

Yes!

[golden osprey]

I'm not even done adding things and my file size is so big 😭

[knotty narwhal]

my file size isn’t optimized yet but it’s well over a gb

[golden osprey]

Relatively

[knotty narwhal]

It won’t stay like that tho

I also went all in and included as much stuff as possible

[golden osprey]

Wait the lethalbundle files are over a gb? Because those 2 are all that matter

[knotty narwhal]

Oh

I’ll check when I’m home ::)

Are unused assets still being downloaded by the users?

E.g I have a whole music in my assets but it’s not in the actual scene, will the user have to download it

[golden osprey]

I think it just checks what's in the file you have set up and loads it all together

That would absolutely explain the size if you just have a ton of music and Outer Wilds assets

[knotty narwhal]

Amazing

[golden osprey]

Shouldn't be a hard fix, just have a separate folder for extra assets you want but aren't using yet.

[outer pendant]

If you mark just your extended level(s) in one bundle and just your scene(s) in another, it'll only pull what's needed for bundling. The size it shows in the asset bundle window is also not the final size, bc it's going off of the raw files and not any adjustments (like texture size limits) you've made

[knotty narwhal]

I’m not exactly sure how to do that, but I’m definitely interested

[twin bridge]

(also posted in LLL channel)

[Error  : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0009)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMD<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>?1943483228(RoundManager)
LethalLib.Modules.MapObjects.RoundManager_SpawnMapObjects (On.RoundManager+orig_SpawnMapObjects orig, RoundManager self) (at <a195ca621c6e43699e5855ec3dd9dd63>:IL_009D)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>?1623889792(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMD<RoundManager::GeneratedFloorPostProcessing>(RoundManager)
RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115.MoveNext () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_013C)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

i cannot escape this error on my custom moon, any ideas how to fix it?

i think its this LC line in SpawnMapObjects but I cant figure out why it's erroring RandomMapObject randomMapObject = list[random.Next(0, list.Count)];

[outer pendant]

Do you have multiple selectable levels?

[twin bridge]

I do... i removed one from the bundle and it fixed the other one :c

don't know whats wrong with this level since i havent done anything with it in a while before it broke

[outer pendant]

So if you have multiple selectable levels, all of the objects within them that refer to basegame stuff need to be unique references. Just make duplicates of the original stuff and make sure you don't use the same thing twice (this goes for putting enemies in both inside and outside spawn lists as well)

[twin bridge]

o h what

why is that?

[outer pendant]

It's because of how LLL currently handles things, but will hopefully change in the near future

[twin bridge]

gotcha, that is quite a hassle then

thanks, will give it a go

also, do you know if lethallib registers things before LLL registers moons. custom things don't get registered to custom levels

[outer pendant]

I think that's being fixed soon #1193461151636398080 message

[twin bridge]

huge, love that it got asked literally 20 minutes ago haha

thanks again <3

[outer pendant]

You're welcome! ✨

[sour pier]

Man i cant even even set up non noms patcher

[green spear]

how

it's easy

[sour pier]

its just not working lol

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im trying again with a fresh project

[green spear]

make sure to use CORE HDRI

[sour pier]

how

[green spear]

when starting new project in unity

you need to download 3D Core HDRI template

and use patcher on this template

[sour pier]

yea im pretty sure I did

[green spear]

did you installed it with packet manager?

[sour pier]

yes

[green spear]

how about microsoft .net

[sour pier]

yes

[green spear]

and git?

[sour pier]

yep

I followed everything in audio knight's video

could it be an issue with my game?

[ancient meadow]

did you download any assets?

[sour pier]

no

the assembly csharp file is not getting created

let me just restart the computer

[knotty narwhal]

cave o cave what is your wisdom

honestly this is going better than I expected

[green spear]

are you using blender for models or all are free assets?

[knotty narwhal]

Outer Wilds assets ::)

[ancient meadow]

CACTUS

[knotty narwhal]

🌵

[sleek saddle]

Keep in mind that do be illegal tho

[knotty narwhal]

Oh shit

[sleek saddle]

Ik other maps have done the same before but

[knotty narwhal]

Really?

[sleek saddle]

i mean yeah

[knotty narwhal]

damn it

What do I do then

[sleek saddle]

idk if it will matter but worth knowing

[knotty narwhal]

yeahh

[valid umbra]

i would personally not use assets you're not allowed to use

pretty sure if its reported, thunderstore would immediately take it down without a second thought ^^

[knotty narwhal]

I didn’t think this through

I thought that it not being monetized in any forms and being completely different from the original game was fine

[sleek saddle]

yeee but like it’s not completely different because they are the same assets. Stuff like that is on a per relevant piece of content basis not just the end result

[knotty narwhal]

Yeahh I understand

Damn.

I’m about to ring at Mobius Digital’s doorstep to ask them for permission watch me

What would you guys recommend? Can I still post the mod and hope for the best and just remove it if someone’s not fine with it? Should I just not post it?

[valid umbra]

how much of everything is an outer wilds asset

[knotty narwhal]

honestly pretty much everything except some textures and the terrain

[sour pier]

ok I got nom nom patcher to install, now im trying to do it when u click the play button you can play the game, but that doesent work, I also changed the graphic settings like in the video, but my screen doesent turn black

one problem after another lmao, but it has to be the most simple steps that cant work

yea I cant get the screen to become black

idk why

[outer pendant]

Reach out for permission

[outer pendant]

Try reloading the scene

[sour pier]

how?

[outer pendant]

Switch to a different scene, then go back to the InitSceneLaunchOptions scene

[sour pier]

alr thx

[sour pier]

nope doesent work

why am I the only one having the weird problems today

[outer pendant]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sour pier]

I hate this

[sour pier]

made a new project

still didnt work

[outer pendant]

Do you have the correct Unity version?

[sour pier]

yup

[outer pendant]

When you set the volume profiles, are you doublechecking to make sure the path matches what I have in the video? Also did you comment on the vid about half an hour ago?

[sour pier]

yep

[sour pier]

let me doublecheck the double check

[sour pier]

yea same paths

do I need to change any of these settings?

[outer pendant]

No. This is bizarre

[sour pier]

is there a way you can send me ur unity project or sumthing?

[outer pendant]

The screen not turning black is not necessarily a breaker. Have you gone through the whole tutorial?

[outer pendant]

I'd prefer to fix the issue

[sour pier]

no but I was doing some of it, but some of the things are annoying, like when you checked the bounds of where you can go, I could not see that "box" which showed the bounds. I also cant play test it either by clicking the play button, it just does the normal thing

[outer pendant]

Does the top right section look like this for you?
Also you can only play from InitSceneLaunchOptions, is that where you're trying to enter playmode from?

Ignore the Auto Save, that's just cuz I'm in a prefab rn

[sour pier]

my toggle skybox was off maybe thats why
is it supposed to look like this?

[outer pendant]

Yep

[sour pier]

oh thats why bruhh im so pissed at my self now lmao

[outer pendant]

If you click play in that scene, does the Online/Lan menu come up?

[sour pier]

yep

[outer pendant]

You're golden then

[knotty narwhal]

https://www.mobiusdigitalgames.com/fan-content-policy.html

I’m fairly sure what I’m doing is okay. They’re cool with fan content as long as it’s not monetized in any way and doesn’t imply that it’s official content. They won’t give anyone the files or assets, but they’re cool if you get them by yourself. Unless I misread of course

But obviously if they tell me to take it down I’ll take it down no questions

[sleek saddle]

yeah fair enough then

your ass is very lucky aha

[knotty narwhal]

I know right lmaooo

[valid umbra]

yeah looks fine, but im not gonna read it fully

thats up to you

[knotty narwhal]

Lmfao that’s fine

I just don’t want you guys to think I’m doing some evil shenanigans

[outer pendant]

[sleek saddle]

nahh i didnt mention it to like burn the witch or anything

issa cool project and one of my fav games

[knotty narwhal]

❤️

One of my favorites too if you couldn’t guess ::)

[sour pier]

so I put downt the terrain, same as the video, but it is appearing pure black, not like the tile texture in the video

I dont really know if it matters, but it makes it hard to tell where the terrain is

[outer pendant]

You didn't copy all the needed stuff from a vanilla scene correctly, you don't have any actual lighting in your scene

[sour pier]

and int he video there def is more settings in ur terrain tab

[outer pendant]

you somehow have a debug window instead of an inspector

[sour pier]

frick

[outer pendant]

right-click the debug tab and click normal

[sour pier]

alr

ye that fixed it, I remember when i was watching majors video for interiors u needed to change it

[sour pier]

do u know which was the lighting stuff I needed to copy?

[outer pendant]

ah, I think he only needed to change it bc he was using the real DunGen, I've never had to use Debug

[outer pendant]

You'll have to rewatch that part of the vid

[sour pier]

oh ok

[sour pier]

oh alr thx

omg im actually making progress lets goo

how did u move the ship?

it seems to be a bunch of parts together

nvm I just selected play navmesh ship

ohh wait i see the video

ur dragging the terrain and cube

[outer pendant]

yes, the ship is locked to a preset landing position. The ship navmesh default position lines up with it, so do not move it at all

[sour pier]

oh alr

[sour pier]

Pretty much finished the tutorial, now I just gotta work on the moon

Most of my moon is going to be abyss, it’s gonna be like grater

[hushed kestrel]

this might be a super dumb question but i've imported a pipe from Offense into my level to use it later, but I can't seem to move it? whenever I try to move it, only the inside capsule collider moves and not anything else

nevermind I worked it out

it had a combined mesh filter, replacing it with a mesh filter that actually uses the correct mesh worked

[outer pendant]

With Nomnom's utility installed, if you right-click a combined mesh, you can decombine it

[hushed kestrel]

oh word? thats super useful thank you!

question actually: probuilder isnt gonna cause any problems is it if I use it for blocking out my stuff?

I know probuilder can be finnicky at times

[sleek saddle]

Not anymore than it usually is

[hushed kestrel]

mostly just want to get a gauge and block out my initial building etc

fair fair

I have a real love hate relationship with probuilder: I used to use it a ton but it always found a way to make me rip my hair out

yet its such a useful tool

[sleek saddle]

I love pro builder because there isn’t any other free built in options

I hate pro builder because i use pro builder

[hushed kestrel]

thats a mood LMAO

[sleek saddle]

It legit works 100% time but it feels like it’s supported on a layer of marbles

I never feel like comfortable with the meshes it makes

[hushed kestrel]

I still remember my first project was a portal like puzzle game and making interior areas with it was like pulling teeth

so many unnecessary triangles trying to extrude a section out

[sleek saddle]

Meanwhile hammer do just be working

[empty anvil]

use probuilder
make mesh that is slightly too big
accidentally subdivide it
try to undo
can't fully undo
mesh is corrupted
oh god
oh fuck

[hushed kestrel]

had that happen too many times before LMAO

has anyone still got that list of what numbers have already been taken by moons?

I know there was one floating around somewhere

[sour pier]

ok so when I click play in the in game editor thingy, I can go to host, and then I go into the ship, but my screen is black, and my game is frozen, but I can see my hotbar

had this error

[outer pendant]

Dissonance is related to voice comms, no worries there
Did you modify any of the vanilla scenes?

[sour pier]

yea

[sour pier]

I clicked save on vow after changing everything

[outer pendant]

Anything you change in them will change your playmode stuff

[sour pier]

oh

so how should I revert them?

[outer pendant]

Just undo whatever changes you made. The scene you load into when you first get to the ship is SampleSceneRelay I think

You might've just toggled the lights or something

[sour pier]

what should I do for vow tho?

cause I deleted the stuff and then accidently clicked save

so how can i undo that

[outer pendant]

You can't

afaik

you'd have to re-rip it to get the scene info back

[sour pier]

so just do the patcher again? that wont affect the moon I made right?

[outer pendant]

Make a backup just in case, but its worth a shot

[sour pier]

ye I made a backup

Alr thx re patching it

[empty anvil]

Re-patching is not really supported on the current version. If your project is backed up you can try the 0.5 branch which has experimental repatcher support

[outer pendant]

oh whoops, didn't realize that wasn't main yet

[empty anvil]

Haven't had the time to fully test it

[sour pier]

so I started a new project, when I clicked patch it kinda broke the project, but I still backed up the stuff for my moon so its fine. But in the new project when I click play, its still a black screen

same error

[outer pendant]

That error doesn't matter here
Are you on InitSceneLaunchOptions?

[sour pier]

yep

brand new project didnt touch anything

except

[outer pendant]

is it switching to the "Game" window when you click play?

[sour pier]

for the graphic settings

[sour pier]

I click the game window normally

should I be in scene and then do it?

[outer pendant]

Nah that's fine, I just forget what the default behavior is, just wanted to make sure you were in the game window after clicking play

You're not doing this on like a 15 year old laptop, right?

[sour pier]

yea I still get through selecting lan, click on host

[sour pier]

no this is a pretty powerful computer

[outer pendant]

oh when you said black screen I thought you meant nothing happened

okay so we're back to this issue

[sour pier]

here

this is what it looks like

when I load into the game

[sour pier]

are any of these things related?

[outer pendant]

I don't think those should be causing this issue, but I'm also not sure how you're following my tutorial and not getting the expected result
@empty anvil

[sour pier]

the lethal company modder gods just really hate me dont they 😭

I think I messed up backing up the scene I really gotta start over now 😭

everything is missing its textures and stuff

[golden osprey]

This should be accurate (Moon tab at bottom)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIMxtYa64d8WkFnRGXLcx6Pi16bwTwHp69r8PUUo39o/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hushed kestrel]

tyty

[sour pier]

i am a unity noob, I imported a 3d model from somewhere, it came with textures serpatly how doI apply it?

[outer pendant]

You might wanna find some Unity basics tutorials

but the gist is to put the texture into the model's material

[sour pier]

yea I probably should

[sour pier]

im trying to do that, I create a new material, and then try to import a material into it. But for some reason, in the new material I created where I select the texture, I can only choose it from lethal company 2d texture asset folder. I also cant add anything to it either

[outer pendant]

the model should have a material already, you just need to assign the textures

if the textures aren't showing up, they didn't import into the project

[sour pier]

this is what I downloaded

the textures are seperate

[outer pendant]

that's just your download folder, did you put them in the project?

[sour pier]

I just put in the .obj

[outer pendant]

Unity can't see anything outside of the project

[sour pier]

yea so should I put in the whole folder?

[outer pendant]

yes

[sour pier]

but then what can i do with the folder? Even if I import the obj model, the textures still dont link

[outer pendant]

I think you'll be better served by looking up some model importing tutorials, specifically of .obj stuff bc I don't know anything about that format

[sour pier]

alr thx

[golden osprey]

fbx gang

[cerulean charm]

You have to set up the materials manually

[sour pier]

oh

also

how do I make the playable area bigger

[golden osprey]

If you mean terrain size you can click on your terrain object, go to the terrain settings tab, and then change the length and such manually (mesh resolution)

[sour pier]

thx but it was actually the navmesh thingy but I got it so were guchi

also when you guys add trees how do you do it, from the terrain painter? Or from the tree prop?

also

@empty anvil when u have time could you help me fix my issue, where I cant play in the LLL editor

[golden osprey]

There's a tree painter but for various reasons I just did mine manually

[sour pier]

so u like get the 3d model like a fxb, and manually place it?

[golden osprey]

That's what I did because of some specific limitations on my end. If you're just placing regular trees I would go to the paint trees tab in the terrain inspector, click edit trees, and add in the models you want. Then you can paint those wherever you need.

[sour pier]

for some reason, the vanilla ones are side ways with the tree painter

also when u place down the 3d models, do they have collision?

[golden osprey]

Make a prefab for the trees you're painting beforehand, and then I recommend adding manual collision to the prefab with capsule colliders so that it's performant

[sour pier]

what about for something like a bridge?

[golden osprey]

You could use the bridge in vow

But depending on what you want I would make or find a fitting asset

[sour pier]

I already got a 3d model for it

[golden osprey]

I would just import it and place it where you need it then

[sour pier]

collision will already be applied?

[golden osprey]

You'll have to add it manually. Make it a prefab and then attach colliders as needed. You can use mesh colliders to fit the model, but they are laggier. If it's just a bridge a box collider will probably do the job if not a couple of them

[sour pier]

how do I add a collider?

I have a mesh called bride .001

[golden osprey]

Take the mesh and place it into the scene. Find the object in your outliner and place it into a prefabs folder to make it a prefab. You can open up the prefab you made and add components. Just search for colliders to add and change their position and scale until they fit well. You can add multiple if you need to.

[sour pier]

alr ty!

[knotty narwhal]

It saved me so much time lol, I didn’t wanna place, rotate and resize like 50 trees

Great tool fr fr

My desert moon has more trees than most moons

Also I highly recommend watching a little YouTube playlist for making Unity terrains @sour pier it’s really helpful

I started there

[golden osprey]

Haha imagine having to manually place, scale, rotate dozen and dozens of trees, who would do such a thing.....

[knotty narwhal]

After a month it gets much easier

[knotty narwhal]

[golden osprey]

In my defense the tool did not like my mushrooms at all

Also was able to fine tune things to look better visually so not a total waste

[sour pier]

do u have a link

[sour pier]

when i put in my custom tree

and start painting

the tree isnt actually placed

[golden osprey]

It may be super tiny or clipped into the ground depending on where the model's axiom is, or it may have just not liked the model. Could be a number of issues

[sour pier]

btw by collider, do you mean a cube, sphere, capsule ect

I will just manually place it

I only need a few on the map anyways

[golden osprey]

Whichever fits the model best. For my mushrooms I used capsules for the stems and some combination of box and spheres for other components. Sphere colliders are weird though at times so careful

Boxes can be scaled in a number of shapes while spheres stay uniforms and capsules scale to their radius

[sour pier]

so the answer is yes to colliders are the 3d objecets? What would u say is best for a tree

propbably a capsule or a cylander

[golden osprey]

Depends on the tree but a capsules should be fine

[sour pier]

alr thx and how do I make the capsule invisible

[golden osprey]

Shouldn't be visible in game

[sour pier]

alr thx

[sour pier]

making some nice progress

Imy terrain skills are horrible tho

[sour pier]

since my in game editor is not working, can I test it in game?

via r2modman

how would I do that?

[cerulean charm]

You can go to settings>import local mod

[sour pier]

what would I import?

[cerulean charm]

You need a zip file with your assets

I would recomend you install BepInEx separately and run without r2modman for testing

makes it a lot smoother (you can configure it to auto output the asset bundle and/or dll to the right folder)

[sour pier]

alr

ehhh

nvm I wanna keep using r2

im lazy

[sour pier]

wdym my assets like my mod folder?

[cerulean charm]

Whatever assets your mod needs

So your asset bundle and maybe dll? I haven't actually looked at the tutorial in this thread

[sour pier]

where do I put the asset bundle in?

[cerulean charm]

In a zip archive

I think it's right click (in explorer) and add to archive

[sour pier]

im kind of confused Ima just wait for nomnom to help me fix in built in unity editor

[cerulean charm]

alr

[sour pier]

does anyone possibly know how to fix the unity in game editor issue?

[green spear]

Wdym

[sour pier]

here

let me send it to u

[sour pier]

#1210653206225363018 message

[knotty narwhal]

Did you change scenes first to init something something

@sour pier

[sour pier]

Yep

[knotty narwhal]

and you also built your scene before?

were there any errors in the logs

[sour pier]

Yes look at the picture right below the messages I linked above

[sour pier]

Btw the problem happened in 2 different projects

Even in a fresh project

[sour pier]

I am going to go to sleep I hope someone can help me out tomorrow 🙏

maybe this is related to the error im getting

^

[sour pier]

can I make more fire exits by just copying teleport entranceB?

[golden osprey]

Anyone know by chance how to expand weather volumes aside from fog? I had dust clouds running once but it seemed to primarily be in a small area around the ship. Also do I need to bring over a storm volume from other maps if I have storms enabled as a weather?

[sour pier]

is there a way to make my moon rain? Not rainy weather by rainy visually

nvm I think i got a way

[green spear]

yep, you need to copy the whole entrance container and change its letter from B to C, D, E...

[green spear]

im not sure about storm volume, tho the clouds should be on the whole map

you should add them to global sky and fog volume

[golden osprey]

I'll check - might be something weird with using physics based skies

[outer pendant]

You also need to increment the ID in the entrance teleport script. Main entrance is 0, fire exits are 1,2,3, etc

[green spear]

really

0_0

@outer pendant you need to create a whole documentation

[golden osprey]

Starlancer Wiki

[outer pendant]

🤭

Starlancer's Guide To Various Moon Mechanics

[valid umbra]

There's already a lethal.wiki, it'd be nice that if you did make some documentation, you'd put it there lol

[sour pier]

@empty anvil plz I very much need your help with the unity in game playable thing, your the only one who knows how to fix it 🙏

[green spear]

Still got the black screen?

[sour pier]

yep

[green spear]

And you've followed each step in the tutorial?

[sour pier]

yep

[green spear]

Even installed the plugins?

[sour pier]

I pretty much finished my moon, all the terrain and strucutres

[sour pier]

wait

what plugins

[green spear]

LLL, lethallib etc into the plugins>bepinex folder

In your unity projects

[sour pier]

yea

even before I made the moon it was a black screen issue

I made a new project too

same issue

[green spear]

And you're using 3D HDRI CORE

?

🤔

[sour pier]

yep

and now I ran into another issue into my scene

I keep moving the gray grid thing, and im stuck in place

that gray grid I circled

I an only move that

nvm

I got out of it

but still have the in game editor issue

[green spear]

it's impossible to get stuck in the editor

[sour pier]

as soon as I click host game and load into the world it becomes black, but I can see my hotbar

I do have an error with it, bu audiknight said its not relevant

[green spear]

what is your unity editor version?

[sour pier]

2022.3.9f1

[green spear]

weird

show me all your errors you got

the red ones to be more specific

[green spear]

click on the console tab

then show all the errors

[sour pier]

okay

[green spear]

it doesn't look like a black screen at all

are you able to scan?

[sour pier]

nope

it freezes

and I cant go back in

[green spear]

damn

i have no clue

[sour pier]

damn

man this sucks im so eager to test my moon but i cant 😦

when I take the ladder

from experimentation

I can only move the collision looking thing

and not the actual ladder

[green spear]

click the three dots on your mesh filter

and select split combined mesh

[green spear]

nah, you can just export it and put inside your lethal company files

and you can test it out in game

[sour pier]

plz elaborate

[green spear]

when you have your thunderstore profile or r2modman

you can just browse profile folder

create any folder inside bepinex/plugins

put your lethal bundles there

[sour pier]

ye

do i need a dll file?

[green spear]

and just launch modded game

[green spear]

no

no dll files is needed

[sour pier]

do I put all the lethal bundle files

[green spear]

only yourmoodname.lethalbunde and yourmodnamescene.lethalbundle

those two

[sour pier]

alr ty!

[green spear]

game in editor is a bit glitched so i recommend final test in actual game anyway

[sour pier]

so I just create a new folder and call it waht ever and just put in the bundles in there?

[green spear]

yep

[sour pier]

in the plugins folder?

[green spear]

yes

[sour pier]

for some reason its not appearing in the terminal

I checked my console

it did say it loaded custom content from haunted mansion (the name of my moon)

[green spear]

do you have extended level file in your assets?

[sour pier]

yep

[green spear]

show me your settings

[green spear]

how about selectable level

[sour pier]

did I need to do the asset bundle thing for selectable level too?

[green spear]

the scene name needs to have exact the same name as your scene name

so you should put

LuigisMansionScene

also keep level id set to 0

[sour pier]

oh alr

[green spear]

and deselct locked for demo

[sour pier]

yea I changed my mind from luigis mansion to a normal mansion midway through

ty gonna try it again

[sour pier]

oh wait do I also gotta change the asset bundle name to luigismansionscene too?

[green spear]

nah

[sour pier]

cause for some reason, hauntedmansionscene.lethalbundle is not appearing

[green spear]

check where are you exporting those bundles

[sour pier]

I just built it again, its tehre

[green spear]

make sure to put only mansion.lethalbundle and manshionscene.lethalbundle

no other manifest files etc

[sour pier]

yep i did and its still not appearing in the terminal

[green spear]

there must be something wrong

what mods do you have in your install?ation

[sour pier]

like my profile for r2

I have LLL, lethal lib, hookgen patcher, LCbettersaves, and BepinEx

[green spear]

what files have you put inside your folder?

[sour pier]

the ones u told me too

[green spear]

into your profile folder?

[sour pier]

yes

I put those into a folder called "hauntedmansion" in the plugins folder

[sour pier]

was I just supposed to be it into the profile folder?

[green spear]

the path should look like this

C:\Users...\AppData\Roaming\r2modmanPlus-local\LethalCompany\profiles\DanielusTests\BepInEx\plugins\Danielus-Danielus_Catalyst

[sour pier]

yep i did that

[green spear]

show me your lethalbundles files

@sour pier

[sour pier]

alr

give me like 2 min

i renamed it the asset bundle to luigi mansion btw

for scene

wait

I think i got the issue

I think I put it was a dungeon flow

or is that mansion the mansion interior

@green spear

nvm even without the bundles that there, so thats the mansion interior

[knotty narwhal]

Yeahh naming your moon the same as an interior probably isn’t the best

[green spear]

yeah

but still i can't find issue

show me once more your selectable level

[sour pier]

alr

[sour pier]

yea I didnt realize it was the same name

wait is it the level id maybe

[green spear]

just put 0 in there

show me what folders/files you've made as lethalbundle

[green spear]

noo i mean

what folders or files you've marked as lethalbundle

[sour pier]

@green spear

[green spear]

weird

[sour pier]

could there be something wrong with my scene?

[green spear]

don't think so

but you can show me your scene components

[sour pier]

just the enviroment or everything?

[green spear]

everything

[sour pier]

maybe batby can also help

[green spear]

scene looks fine i guess

[sour pier]

things just refuse to work for me

@sleek saddle if you have time could u try helping 🙏

[green spear]

show me also your r2modman profile mods

[green spear]

but in the profie folder

[green spear]

are you sure it doesn't appear in game?

[sour pier]

yes

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don't you mind sending me those lethalbundle files

?

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sure

pretty sure i gotta dm it or else i will get in trouble

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i sent it

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try changing your planet name to something else and also make sure, that the lethalbundle files have similar names

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alr thx

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BRO

IT WORKED

because I changed the name

and made everything consistent

bruhhhhhhhh

thank you so much for the help tho bro

I really appreciate it

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👍

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now I cant even land the ship

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the game crashes?

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nah

its just stuck on generating seed

I can move around the ship and stuff

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then there is something to do with dungeon generation

lower the size for sure

to like 1.3

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alr

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its still stuck

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it’s the audioreverbtriggers around the ship

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oh

oh so I did set it to 0, but I forgot to save the scene so even if I make a new asset bundle it didnt save that

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ah nvm its still happening