Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[slim wind]

oooh, please tell me more 🤭

[fleet badger]

I found that if use LLL config to edit the dungeon weight, it will cause weather desync even I have the LLLfix

and this not related to weathermultiplier or meteomultiplier, without them there is also weather desync, but once i deleted the LLL config to generate a new one, the weather goes fine

[vagrant sundial]

@zenith flax did you find a way to enable water in the project settings? I tried to find a way to do it, but couldn't figure out how. The HDRP asset is very protected.

[zenith flax]

not yet, unfortunately its a super pain and at best would need transpilers

i'd suggest dropping that moon without it for now, apologies

[vagrant sundial]

thats fine. I couldn't even build any code that touched the HDRP asset

[rich aurora]

How is it if you use something like LethalQuantities? I usually prefer to just use the said interior's own respective config to adjust weights but I was wondering if the desyncs would occur as well using this mod since you CAN adjust weights on it too

[fleet badger]

maybe, but i have no choice as if i only use LLL, when i quit to main menu and restart game, all settings in LLL will gone until i quit the game and launch again. Therefore i have to use other mods to edit the weight. But other mods cannot change the weight of factory and mansion, that's why i configure them by LLL

[reef perch]

Is there a way to know why the game is crashing when loading my custom level? idk what changed but in game in crash, in editor it dosn't and the output log I can find don't seem to give me any information

[rich aurora]

This is what I was referring to, tho unsure if it works via LLL/LE moons so some testing would be appreciated

That's the UI for LethalQuantities for context

[fleet badger]

maybe u ask in LethalQuantities will be better

[hoary monolith]

What're the last log lines you see before the crash? Does your DunGen successfully generate in the Editor? (Or is this for a moon?)

[zenith flax]

hey so i figured out the dynamicly assigned risk levels

neat

mostly

ok actually accurate now

[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Gordion (Safe)  (999)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Maritopia (D-)  (2742)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Experimentation (B)  (3397)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Assurance (D)  (4155)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Offense (B)  (4327)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] EchoReach (C+)  (5102)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Vow (C)  (5216)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] March (B)  (6488)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Rend (A)  (6939)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Atlas Abyss (A+)  (7288)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Dine (S)  (8202)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] EGypt (S)  (8604)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Celestria (S+)  (9690)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Celest (S+)  (10188)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Secret Labs (S+)  (10478)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Titan (S+)  (10603)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Harloth (S+)  (11217)
[Info   :LethalLevelLoader] Orion (S++)  (19472)

@red stratus you actually might like knowing that we have a more accurate difficulty rating to use as reference

[young acorn]

what's the new calculations?

[zenith flax]

a bunch of super cursed and arbitrary calculations using the values in the selectablelevel's

[young acorn]

lovely

might want to explain it somewhere though, might be useful for one and only one person

[zenith flax]

Oh it will be but this is for users too. The sort difficulty setting and the default order of custom moons on the moons catalogue will now be way more accurate, and moon creators can choose to let me dynamically assign their risk level rather than just kinda guessing themselves

[zenith flax]

wow been a while since i've actually shown stuff off proper here hey

This is what the Moons Catalogue looks like by default in current LethalLevelLoader

this is what the Moons Catalogue looks like by default in the upcoming LethalLevelLoader (but without the numbers)

custom moons that are made by the same author are grouped together (see Celest & Orion)

each custom group is sorted by the average difficulty of all the moons inside that group

the moons inside each custom group are sorted from lowest to highest difficulty

overall this provides a much more intended and accurate list of moons to explore 😄

this will also contain a feature to let lethallevelloader select a risk level for custom moons automatically, if the developer is happy to let the calculate estimate where it should be

also @silk quarry figured you'd want a heads up on this ^. in the future the risk levels on moons should be a lot more accurate, if you ever wish to use that value at all

[silk quarry]

how is it being calculated?

[zenith flax]

also by accident i had it setup so the vanilla groups are still as they are in vanilla but the groups are still sorted by group average, this isn't intended behavior but i might make this a config option? seems like a nice in-between

[zenith flax]

i dont think you wanna know LMAO

[silk quarry]

hmm good point

[dim wing]

This is really cool! I have absolutely no idea just how arbitrary you had to go to get accurate figures, but it also would go over my head so I’m not even gonna think about it 😅

Is it possible to just sort by general power level in groups of three rather than sticking to existing groups + by mod creator?

[zenith flax]

yeah this change affects sort difficulty aswell, which just does a full sorting of that number value and splits into 3

[dim wing]

noice

Does that also include the ability to sort by moon price and then difficulty too? (So all the free moons are ordered and then any moons that cost the same are ordered)

[zenith flax]

no

[dim wing]

Sadness, but understandable!

[zenith flax]

man that gif is annoying

the system is a little too rigid to handle multi ordering like that

the basegame terminal keyword stuff is too

[dim wing]

Completely understandable, hopefully it’s not something that’s hard-coded and somebody eventually is crazy enough to delve deep enough in to granulize the rigidity. What you’ve already opened up the ability to do is more than awesome, though!

[zenith flax]

my end would be a lot easier to change than the basegame terminal stuff forsure

[zenith flax]

rejoice my friends

[tall kindle]

@zenith flax

does LLL change all the moon names

or well, atleast wesley's ones

cuz I noticed with LLL, their name isnt something like "EternLevel" but "154 Etern"

[red stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/wooo-yeah-baby-gif-18955985

[tall kindle]

@zenith flax ignoring some lethal lib bugs that were occuring, here is the main problem i was facing, I was testing with LLL so Moon names were getting changed without my knowledge, but thats not all, they were getting changed after my enemy registered to old moon names, so i have to use Wesley's names instead of LLL's names to register

[serene viper]

is lll back officially or should i still use fixed?

[idle ravine]

hasn't been updated just yet; keep an eye out for either a release notif or just watch the thunderstore page to see when it updates

[reef perch]

It's for moons, and the last lines are this, but it's not what's making the game crash 😭

[hoary monolith]

Hmm yeah, those last collider warnings aren't particularly notable. I get them all the time in normal stuff.

When I had a crash I had to debug from DunGen generation issues causing a crash, I had to hold the log open by attaching it to a debugger in visual studio to get the full final log lines to print to the console (otherwise it just didn't, it'd prematurely quit, never ended up in the saved log.txt on disk either for some reason...). Might need to do that to get better intel? Could tell you where the crash is occuring too/the stack trace

[reef perch]

I don't really know how to hold the log open with visual studio, but I will try to find out, thanks!

[hoary monolith]

• Open visual studio
• Somewhere in the debug menu click "Attach debugger to process" (don't remember exact wording) and choose the running Lethal Company .exe
• Do stuff in the game and let the crash happen
• Visual studio should break and pause the process when exception occurs. The log will be held open because the process isn't killed before log text is flushed to the console window from backing text buffer.
• You should get a stack trace too. You can get more info in the stack trace by downloading symbols but that's more involved

[calm eagle]

@nimble umbra if all else fails, you might wanna try this ^

[reef perch]

I don't think it's helping me 🥲

[hoary monolith]

Damn, that's surprising. The "Show Call Stack" might help too. Narrow down what subsystem it's coming from, I'd be curious to see that

[hoary monolith]

Rip, would need debugging symbols to get more info from that

Well, if you're motivated, I can try to help you debug more later. I'm supposed to be working rn x3

There's like 1 or 2 more things that might help pinpoint (downloading debugging symbols, pulling it open in a more C# specific debugger like mono debugging toolset/API, which dnSpy supports I believe, I think BepInEx enables this by default and their docs have a tutorial for it)

They're more involved though

[reef perch]

I mean, my mod is available in a non-working version, so you could try if you want 🥲 Gonna build from a fresh new project to see if it's related to the map or not

[hoary monolith]

Oh yeah, send that over, that sounds way easier x3

[reef perch]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Wydrop/MANTIF/

[hoary monolith]

It will be hours before I can look, but thanks

[reef perch]

[weary apex]

Oh, is that your moon?

[reef perch]

Yes (beside the screenshot used in the page)

[weary apex]

why did you cancel the moon?

[reef perch]

oops didn't mean to

[reef perch]

I undeprecated it

[weary apex]

If you want, you can also create a post with the moon like others have done https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1169056298856362105

[reef perch]

Not until it work haha

[weary apex]

don't forget to change the Readme as you are using a screenshot from one of my moons😉 Nyx

[slim wind]

👀

[reef perch]

Sorry I used it to know how to write the readme

[weary apex]

Don't worry, it's okay

[fading wyvern]

wait does this mean egypt is tuned too high cause its meant to be closer to B not S

probably cause of the worm spawns tbh

[weary apex]

No, he's fine

Egypt is just S without the +-

in theory😅

[fading wyvern]

but its designed to be B+ is my point

[calm eagle]

Sad that my moons aren't shown there

but I'm betting it goes A/A+/S+ for Sol/Tri/Aur

[weary apex]

Maritopia D-

ahah

the easiest moon

need to be corrected

[icy fjord]

Maritopia is hard enough when I'm constantly falling off or through the bridge to the door 😦

[spiral siren]

need debugging symbols for the native Unity runtime, I'm pretty sure they're looking at an error I've seen with shadow rendering

it happens on a couple moons that I know of

let me try and find the stack trace I got

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205099561400401950/1205176060317270106/image.png?ex=66058f2b&is=65f31a2b&hm=2e7b7553fb9be6cbea7cc7bdacffdfc33c999d8f99317aec447ba7a5748b0b85&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1161&height=199

can't say for sure it's the same one but I've seen it a few times

[spiral siren]

anyway, forgot to mention that the symbol server is here: https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/WindowsDebugging.html

[spiral siren]

I should probably try debugging such a crash with the mixed callstack plugin actually

[fair dome]

do you think if the console is being spammed & buried in a ton of exceptions that it could cause some desync? i had an interior desync happen as a client connecting to the host.
we were both configured to have a guaranteed sewer dungeon interior. so the host got the sewer interior, but i somehow got the scarlet devil mansion interior and i ended up falling through the world.
btw console spam was being caused by a different mod conflicting with another mod. had to do with modelreplacementapi suits not really handling VR too well. i was just testing its limits.

we ended up restarting the lobby and this time the interior was synced.

will be doing more testing tomorrow. i had a done a lot of solo host testing, but that never shows multiplayer client-side issues.

[royal yacht]

ah that is caused by the duplication of the config enteries in the LLL config either use LLLFixed until batby updates LLL or manually delete the LLL config everytime before u open the game and for every client not just the host

check ur LLL config

[hoary monolith]

Yup, seems to be related to shadow rendering as you mentioned

[spiral siren]

interesting that the stack trace is deeper than the SendShadowCullingCallbacks for you

I wonder if it's something about the crash dump vs debugging

might be worth getting that plugin the page mentions to see if there's any user code involved, but I would assume there's not

is that one also a null read?

[hoary monolith]

Yeahh

Exception thrown at 0x00007FFDCD2F88B5 (UnityPlayer.dll) in Lethal Company.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x0000000000000000.

I will look at what this plugin can do

Yeah, nothing of interest unfortunately. Though it is interesting the exception is throwing at a location like you describe now

[fair dome]

oh i think mightve been from me accidentally having both LLL and LLLFixed enabled.
usually i have LLL disabled and i hear that resolves some issues. it mustve re-enabled when i was toggling a mod dependent on it.

[hoary monolith]

Tried that crash in dnSpy with custom mono build for debugging, understandably did not get anything from it

Only other lead I could get for that crash is https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/crash-on-preparedrawshadowscommandstep1-when-selecting-a-camera-while-the-occlusion-culling-window-is-open which seems to have the same stack trace

@spiral siren @reef perch My debugging ends there, unfortunately I cannot be of more help

[reef perch]

np

Does anyone know how to fix this ? Everything seem to load but it doesnt open the ship/remove the interface

[jolly cargo]

I'd hate to ask but when is the fix for overriding built in interior requests going to be done?

[spiral siren]

looks like there's also this one which could've had more relevant information perhaps https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/crash-on-sendshadowcullingcallbacks-when-opening-specific-project

but apparently Unity issue tracker doesn't link the issue that it's supposedly a duplicate of...

at least not on mobile, I'll have to check again when I get to my PC

@reef perch someone mentions in the comments that it's related to reflection probes for them, do you use those?

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[jolly cargo]

Ok, leaving it at true does make the factory and mansion not override for moons but it doesn't allow march to have the mansion

It doesn't affect custom interiors that have set overrides

[zenith flax]

it doesn’t affect custom interiors period

[jolly cargo]

hm

ok

I got it all pretty much perfect other than march and atlas abyss not having mansion

I managed to have all interiors have a rarity of 300 on all moons and each moon has a specific interior that is 5500, it is just those 2 where the 300 for the mansion is unadded, not sure why

[zenith flax]

The dungeonflow march uses doesn’t have a config entry

makes things difficult

[jolly cargo]

ic
I thought you implemented it yourself

Should this setting completely disable the moon?

I have is hidden true and enable content configuration true and can still type the name in to route there

[jolly cargo]

So this should set Is Locked to true

[strange trail]

any eta on custom scraps working on lll moons?

[zenith flax]

Ll or le

[strange trail]

any LMAO

[zenith flax]

Ll i can look into

Le no

[strange trail]

thats fine, my fav scrap mods have ported over to lethallib anyway

thank you batby

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[reef perch]

Hmm, I don't think so. I tried to recreate the project from scratch, and it still crash, so I will check asset by asset now

[tired solar]

@zenith flax What would you think about LethalLib adding a method like this? It could be a simple fix to add LethalLib enemies to LLL moons, but I don't know if it would be the most "optimal" solution

[zenith flax]

its not awful for now yeah

[tired solar]

do you think you could soon push an update to LLL to make things work for now then?

if I do this

[zenith flax]

ill have to look at ll abit first

im not doing anything wrong the problem afaik is that ll is doing stuff before me

oh and even then not sure howww fast the release of the actual lll update would take

gotta figure out some licensing stuff and rn working on porting le moons

[serene viper]

lib has its own enemies?

[idle ravine]

The only non-LL scrap mod I really have interest in is fumo company, which I hope does get ported over to LL/batbys equivalent when it comes

[strange trail]

banger mod

ya just honestly, if lethallib scraps worked on lll moons that'd already be a very early Christmas gift
matt and tolian made some really nice looking moons and kinda wanna include them in my modpack

[jolly cargo]

its an api, it helps integrate them

[tired solar]

okay then I have another idea, what if I just keep what LethalLib does now, but also run the enemy registering code just after LLL has addded moons to add the enemies to the moons it hasn't added the enemies already?

I don't see how this could break anything really, and should work as long as LLL keeps adding moons on RoundManager.Start and not later. And I could push this change today to fix the issue, and do the same for scrap if that also has the same issue (which I would guess is the case, from the messages above)

[zenith flax]

Your gonna hate me, do it on first frame of Terminal Update

LE makes their SelectableLevels on Terminal Start so while LLL moons are on RM Start LE moons are done later

[tired solar]

it does seem though that LethalLib enemies get added to LE moons though? Though dunno if it's LECore or what, never tested it myself

[zenith flax]

Yeah I really don’t know how tbh. But if you don’t mind that would be a safer window

[tired solar]

why exactly though? What is the reasoning behind that?

@zenith flax I just looked, LEC seems to add moons on StartOfRound.Awake (here) as a prefix, which is the same as LethalLib, and it just happens to run before LethalLib's patch so it just works

[zenith flax]

im not talking about LEC

[tired solar]

oh, is LE different?

[zenith flax]

ye

[tired solar]

huh

[zenith flax]

ye..

[tired solar]

damn

[zenith flax]

https://github.com/HolographicWings/LethalExpansion/blob/c5af11aaafe2cf0278a3caf3908586af196fb147/LethalExpansion/Patches/Terminal_Patch.cs#L707

[tired solar]

okay, so after SampleSceneRelay scene has loaded, it waits 1 second to attempt to add moons after you have joined the game? So we can't really know for absolutely sure when it has done this, other than by patching the mod itself?

What if, we just don't care about LE? Doesn't like almost every moon now either use LEC or LLL?

[zenith flax]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tired solar]

Oh yeah, LE is even incompatible with LLL? Though I guess I can still add compatibility for LE too

[zenith flax]

somewhat

it was working then LE got a breaking change and LECORE hasnt updated since

right now im making a conversion tool because without disrespect its actually easier for me to port all the remaining moons than continue supporting it

[tired solar]

huh, I see

[zenith flax]

basically dev of LE and dev of LECORE are pretty much done with lc modding

so its not that their refusing to fix stuff or anything its just

yeah

[tired solar]

I see I see

btw I just noticed, is this a typo in the GUID of LLL? Not sure if it really matters though

[zenith flax]

yippeee

ima batB

(thank you)

[tired solar]

haha no problem :3

[zenith flax]

feel free to roast any code you think is worth roasting btw. its had to be a little jank to juggle lethallib and LE but

[fallow fern]

Oh, I knew about the LE dev but had no idea with the LECore

I guess that just makes people porting their moons all that much more important

[reef perch]

Yes, I use one

[reef perch]

It finally work, I just had to check notes remove everything!

I think the issue come frome the terrain tho

[strange trail]

oh no I didn't mean it like that @upbeat zinc xD
I'm very much looking forward to your scrap mods being ported over, they all kinda feel vanilla so it'd be a shame if they weren't on lethallib

[upbeat zinc]

mean what like that?

[strange trail]

I saw you sob reacting xD

thats all

[strange trail]

you know what I dont understand batby
that somehow NeedyCats do spawn on LLL moons, but thats as far as custom scraps go
they are on lethallib as far as I know

[spiral siren]

I assume you tried removing it then and that wasn't the issue

is intriguing if it's the terrain only though, if you bring back everything except the terrain does it work?

I'm guessing you used some mesh generation workflow for the terrain so maybe there's some quirk with how it generated it, so perhaps running it through Blender or something similar would fix the issue

not sure if that code path where the access violation happened would be interacting with mesh data but if that's the only thing that's special about the terrain it seems like it must be

[reef perch]

I don't have crash issue anymore, now that I removed the terrain. Tho I tried to put it back, the game doesn't crash but now it stuck on showing the seed

[calm eagle]

Do you have the terrain and terrain material marked as instanced in the terrain settings?

[reef perch]

Yup, the terrain doesn't seem to be an issue anymore

Now I removed everything beside stuff already in Lethal Compagny, adding them one by one and trying to find what's causing the loading issue

[spiral siren]

did the getting stuck in seed thing happen 100% of the time too?

and did it print out any errors while it was stuck? I don't think I've seen it get stuck without an error

[reef perch]

yup

[reef perch]

It print this one

[spiral siren]

ah, yeah, that'll do it

[reef perch]

Also this one but it should'nt be an issue as it does force generate the dugeon

[spiral siren]

does it print out somewhere that it selected Level1Flow?

iirc that SpawnMapObjects function is looking for SpawnSyncedObject components to spawn NetworkBehaviour prefabs on after generation of the interior finishes

[reef perch]

hmm i don't think so

[calm eagle]

In your selectable level, do you have anything marked "none" in your map objects?

[reef perch]

there is the two default ones

[calm eagle]

Do you have multiple moons in your mod?

[tall kindle]

The number to spawn graphs, what are they in relation to?

[calm eagle]

From my understanding, whatever random number the game picks on the x-axis corresponds with the number to spawn on the y-axis

[tall kindle]

so the x is a random number, and the y is the number to spawn

what a weird way of doing things lol

[calm eagle]

I think so, that's sorta how the enemy spawn curves work for probability. X is the chance to spawn, Y is the time of day

[tall kindle]

yeah I know about that part, theres an even weirder one, number spawned fall off or smthn similar, had to write the docs for it, horrible

[spiral siren]

(was thinking of the wrong method actually)

if you're using the asset ripper/fixer (https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1199473521265475745) for this, running your moon in the editor player will give more information about where that error is occurring in the SpawnMapObjects function, which should help narrow down the issue

even if you don't have your moon set up there (I don't know the usual project setup for making a moon in LLL really), you can use the asset ripper to create an empty project and install your mod normally to still get the same extra information

[reef perch]

This is what the console is saying in editor

[spiral siren]

oh wow, that's odd that it doesn't have any more information

I wonder if that's because the method is getting patched

I would've expected it to happen either in the original method or whatever patching method though

[reef perch]

I didn't even change something in my scene, it just seem that at some point it doesn't want to past that error

[spiral siren]

oh wait, it failed to spawn synced objects too

hmm, lemme check the code

ah wait

are you missing your MapPropsContainer?

it has to find an object with tag MapPropsContainer or it'll error out

[reef perch]

hooo

that might be it

Marvelous

The crash issue in game was the landscape, and the other issue was the missing MapPropsContainer

thanks all!

(I need to find why the landscape is making the game crash tho)

[spiral siren]

nice! as far as the terrain goes, I still wonder about the answer to Audio Knight's question here: #1193461151636398080 message

unless I missed the answer to that somewhere

I got the impression that that's fixed it for others, not sure if it does for you or not

[reef perch]

omg it was the issue 🥹

everything work now

Thanks

[tall kindle]

@zenith flax any known imcompatibiliies with moons + LL Scrap? im assuming LLL doesnt have scrap implementation yet

[strange trail]

yes 😭

but batby said earlier today that he'll look into having LL scrap on LLL moons so

[reef perch]

What are the setting y'all are using to bake the light of your scene?

[spice ingot]

regarding scraps and porting to LLL

I hope someone ports the Pikmin scraps mod over, that's like, other than Wesley's moons, the only reason I still have LEC

[calm eagle]

Don't bake lighting for LC

[reef perch]

But how do you manage to make stuff not look fully black? 🥹

[calm eagle]

Out of curiosity, did you follow my tutorial on making a moon?

[reef perch]

yes

[calm eagle]

Hm. I haven't had any issues with that, what's your indirect lighting object settings?

[calm eagle]

Try turning all of your lights to realtime

[reef perch]

Doesn't seem to change anything

[calm eagle]

Are you using custom textures?

[reef perch]

Yes

[calm eagle]

@iron quiver didn't you have a similar issue to this?

[reef perch]

I had to tweak the rotation of the sun, it seem to work a bit, even if it's probably not a real fix

[iron quiver]

Oh the black textures? Yeah it was because of my normals

If your normals are blue they’re fine, if they’re red/pink you’re having my problem

[reef perch]

They're seem to be correct on my side

[iron quiver]

They do look… normal

[reef perch]

badum tss

[nimble umbra]

If you set too high value of normal map for material then it might become black

Try lowering the strenght of normal map in your material properties

[iron quiver]

Can I ask where you got your normals?

[reef perch]

Bake them in substance 3d

[nimble umbra]

@reef perch

Try that and see if it works

[reef perch]

Can't really lower the strenght of my normals with the materials I'm using 🥲 But it seem to work now

✨

[iron quiver]

Hell yea!

that looks good

[reef perch]

published 🙏 https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1220150831249100851

[loud pond]

knock knock

[slim wind]

oh

[tall kindle]

Who's ur source :p

[strange trail]

may I ask someone to ping me when LLL has LL scrap support
thanks in advance

[unique geode]

He said he took it from the Patreon channel in Zeekerss' Discord

[tall kindle]

Yeah and I saw that exact same screenshot pretty sure from some random video in modding general who claimed the same thing

[tall kindle]

For wut purpose

[unique geode]

So may or may not be real then

I guess we'll see, take it with a grain of salt ig

[strange trail]

well, I already voiced it quite a few times but currently, aside from experiencing the aesthetics of each LLL moon, there is no incentive to go to any unless you manually edit the values of vanilla scraps (since those are the ones spawning there and nothing else)
while vanilla maps and LECore maps have modded scraps on them, making them more worthwhile

[slim wind]

it's still not there 🤭

[loud pond]

its in the patreon channel on there discord

[tall kindle]

Has no one looked into LL's spawning position type...

[loud pond]

there is more to the ss btw

[tall kindle]

Yeah but where did you get the screenshot from

[strange trail]

im not sure really, I seemingly am the only person who cares about it lmao
but yesterday batby did say he'll look into it in the future

[loud pond]

yea I took it from a goober who makes LC videos

[tall kindle]

You're the 3rd person the last 2 days to ask this that I've told this feature already exists 😂

Ah no wait

Hold on lemme think

[loud pond]

it is hard to confirm if its real due to needing patreon channel access

[tall kindle]

You're asking for custom moon specific scrap right?

[strange trail]

I mean for now, LethalQuantities mod can solve this, but its tedious to apply 300+ scrap manually

no

[loud pond]

but im pretty sure it is because I trust the person who made the video

[strange trail]

just scrap that can spawn on any moon, like LethalThings' scraps

[tall kindle]

That's... literally a base feature?

[strange trail]

well they dont spawn though?

[tall kindle]

Yes they do?

Lethal things also uses LL lmao

Also they do because I just made a scrap yesterday lmao

If you're saying it's not spawning as intended on modded moons, then that's a bug and I'll see if I can find the person to fix it

[strange trail]

im saying that custom scrap that is supposed to spawn on any moon, is not spawning on LLL moons
I can hop on a game quickly and show it actually doesnt work

[tall kindle]

I might be misunderstandjngnyou

[strange trail]

most likely

[tall kindle]

Ah yeah I see what you mean

I was misunderstanding a bit

Yeah enemies had the same problem but they're fixed now iirc

Give it a few days and it'll be fixed

[strange trail]

I could've clarified so my bad

poggers

[tall kindle]

Nah its all good

I'll tell the person cuz it's the same bug lol

[strange trail]

yippie

[dim lily]

pretty sure they weren't if you're referring to lllfixed

[strange trail]

its fixed in a way, that by next patch

fixed for next patch

[dim lily]

ah thats cool

[strange trail]

I recall seeing that in this channel at least

[forest mountain]

Yeah, why DO all seals look so sad and confused

[slim wind]

because of the clubbing

[lament nebula]

That reminded me of a bit I did like almost exactly two years ago

[zenith flax]

time to lock in

[zenith flax]

It’s very much heard chef. Prioritising LE moons rn because their a bigger task to complete and are likely going to break harder than scrap

[strange trail]

ya I saw, you are very fast with porting tho ngl

unless I misinterpreted the screenshots

[zenith flax]

dats cuz it’s automated my friend

[strange trail]

xD

godspeed

[zenith flax]

i put the moon scriptableobject in the tool hit the button and it’s mostly done

[strange trail]

thats actually crazy since arguably wesley moons have the most amount of unique mechanics

surprised its still relatively easy to port

[zenith flax]

I said it was fast not easy 😛

[strange trail]

oh

LOL

[zenith flax]

Fortunately cuz their le moons wesley was still limited to the lc scripts

Easier to convert

[strange trail]

I'd assume like, a moon thats built on current LE is gonna be either impossible or just very aids to port then

although I cant think of any moon like that aside from HW's own Wateridge

[zenith flax]

eh

its not that bad

[strange trail]

[tired solar]

Okay, so about making LethalLib enemies/scrap work with LLL, it's very close to done, the only issue there is that LLL changes the names of LE moons, so I think LethalLib needs to be able to take the LLL's altered name of a moon and recognize it as a LE moon.

This means that custom enemies can input either version of the name of the moon to the list of moons they will spawn on, and the enemy gets registered whether or not the user is using LLL or LE or both.

Not really a big problem, but I'll need to know the name changing rules of LLL and if they will stay the same.

[zenith flax]

they will yeah

it removes special characters and spaces

this is to avoid issues when using this data (for context LE names the selectablelevel asset names after the planet name, so its using the display name without sanitising it)

eg. if you tried to use the LE selectablelevel name in a bepinex config bind it would break

@tired solar https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/edf7f4e8059949638b2095dcdc81b60326f22ae7/LethalLevelLoader/Components/ExtendedLevel.cs#L128

will be less of an issue in the future

i understand the problem with me doing this but for now it outweighed not doing it

[tired solar]

Okay, thank you!

I can see that that the StripSpecialCharacters method is a bit destructive, but I can probably just apply it always to LE moons and check if that matches with the moon names and there won't really be any problems :3

[zenith flax]

yeah forsure

i dont like it i just

yeah

[tired solar]

yeah, not much we can do about it, but it is totally fine

this is not a problem because LEC loads before LLL, but this means LE itself is just kinda uhh, we can't really make it compatible without getting the original name of the moon?

[zenith flax]

yeahh

i kinda came to a point where i didn't wanna mess up my code that much to support LE when Holo has told me he isn't really working on it anymore and all the main moons wanna move to LLL anyway

[tired solar]

hm, yeah I think it's fine to not go through the effort to provide LE support because yeah it is becoming less relevant

[tired solar]

wait, I don't think there is any issues if we just apply the StripSpecialCharacters method to everything, like so:

                              level name && target level
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LE(C):  ("10-Example" => "ExampleLevel") && "ExampleLevel"                   == true
LLL:    "ExampleLevel"                   && ("10-Example" => "ExampleLevel") == true

This of course means the inputted target moon name doesn't need to be exact, like it can have all kinds of illegal characters, but at least this will make it work for anything.

[strange trail]

my angel hamunii

[tall kindle]

Ikr

[young tartan]

how do i fix this its set to valley

its not showing any of my the moons i have

[young acorn]

filter none

[young tartan]

didnt work

oh

i have to type filter none

nvm

i was only typing none

ty!

[young tartan]

i cant use modded scrap at all even if i manually input it?

Large axle:94,V-type engine:80,Plastic fish:28,Metal sheet:83,Big bolt:89,Toy cube:18,Laser pointer:3,Bottles:67,Remote:16,Cookie mold pan:13,Toy robot:2,Magnifying glass:4,Stop sign:29,Tea kettle:24,Gold bar:4,Cash register:3,Clown horn:43,Airhorn:34,Candy:3,Red soda:2,Yield sign:8,Gift:24,Flask:42,Arson Plush:5,Cookie Fumo:1,Toimari Plush:4,Hamis Plush:0,Dirty Arson Plush:0,Maxwell:2,Glizzy:10,Revolver:10,Gremlin Can:6,Toy Hammer:10,Gnarpy Plush:3,Boink:0,Cup Noodle:30,Freddy Fast Bear?:0,Nokia 5,Moai:0,Froggy Chair:0,Eevee Plush:0,Death Note:4,Uno Reverse Card:3,Bracken Plushie:20,Bunker Spider Plushie:20,Coil head Plushie:20,Comedy mask Plushie:10,Hoarding Bug Plushie:20,Jester Plushie:5,Tragedy mask Plushie:10,Weezer Guitar:6,Page:16,Page:16,Page:16,Page:16
i put this into the scrap settings and it was enabled on the top setting
the content configuration
even with page set to 1000 weight it wont spawn on that moon

the moon is 127-Eve LLL moon

it just spawns the default scrap only

anyone know what i have to do to fix it?

[tired solar]

we were just discussing about fixing this a few messages earlier, but basically, just wait like 2 days and it'll be fixed

though, I dunno how LLL config values for LL scrap works

[young tartan]

oh okay thx

[little maple]

thank you!!!

[drifting sable]

[Error  : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0009)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMD<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>?1943483228(RoundManager)
LethalLib.Modules.MapObjects.RoundManager_SpawnMapObjects (On.RoundManager+orig_SpawnMapObjects orig, RoundManager self) (at <a195ca621c6e43699e5855ec3dd9dd63>:IL_009D)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>?1623889792(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMD<RoundManager::GeneratedFloorPostProcessing>(RoundManager)
RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115.MoveNext () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_013C)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

i cannot escape this error on my custom moon, any ideas how to fix it?

i think its this LC line in SpawnMapObjects but I cant figure out why it's erroring RandomMapObject randomMapObject = list[random.Next(0, list.Count)];

wasnt a problem before and i got no idea what i changed to break it

[loud pond]

discord search feature sucks so
does anybody know if it was fixed where modded enemies couldnt spawn on modded certain moons (I forgot if it was LLL or LE) or something (I remember hearing about this)

[tired solar]

not yet, but in like 2 days it will be fixed

[loud pond]

what is the issue again? LL enemies not working on LLL or LE?'

[tired solar]

not working with LLL

[loud pond]

tree~6

I just downloaded a bunch of LLL moons and LL enemies today]

fireinthehole~13

[tall kindle]

I think if you change the spawn weights on LQ it works? Not 100% sure

[young tartan]

ok so for now i might as well disable lethal things

til its fixed lol

[loud pond]

too much thinking and work fr

[fossil canyon]

Every time I load into the same save file, all my perks are still active except running shoes (I have to rebuy running shoes every time). Is this a bug or something I need to config?

Idk if this is the right thread for this im just guessing

[tall kindle]

#1178407269994594435 💀

[fossil canyon]

Thank you I am an elder millennial

[spiral siren]

my guess would be that one or more of your RandomMapObject instances has something wrong with the spawnablePrefabs field

[zenith flax]

ok so

gonna take a break and talk about it more later

LLL now has custom item and enemy support

i locked tf in for a little bit

some mods will probably need some small changes after this update

[tall kindle]

before that

just gonna ask real quick if i havent asked you before

[zenith flax]

sure

[tall kindle]

you know anything about this?

[zenith flax]

uh yeah

uhh

ehhh

lemme dm you

[tall kindle]

bet ty

literally the only one in here that knew lmao

[strange trail]

❤️

[young acorn]

lethal lentity loader

[zenith flax]

Lethal Little(bit of everything) Loader

[wild wing]

LLL is literally THE mod api for Lethal init?

[idle ravine]

Nice to have everything wrapped together and cross compatible for custom content

[naive silo]

Yeah it would be nice to have something like RoR2 R2API for LC

[strange trail]

LCL aint a bad name

LethalContentLoader

[slim wind]

LethalLethalLigma

[idle ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/shigeru-aoba-turns-into-lcl-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-17490304

[forest mountain]

Lethal Lethal Lumpany

[calm eagle]

Thy pt te lethl chf in th sod

[forest mountain]

They put the lethal chef in the soda?

[tall kindle]

Dsmn looks like a hacked account

Will ban for u guys

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-embarrassed-melt-fun-gamers-gif-9322941

[fallow fern]

does having LLL and LLLFixed installed at the same time cause issues?

[slim wind]

there are conflicting opinions

better to disable one of them

[lament nebula]

• Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[tall kindle]

@zenith flax in theory, with how you're updating things, is an exterior/moon only level possible?

was talking with wesley about it, would be nice to create a level that has no "limit" on the exterior on things like ceiling etcs

[young tartan]

can someone ping me when modded scrap works ?

[red stratus]

if this is possible my space station idea could actually get off the ground

[calm eagle]

Might even make it to space

[vagrant sundial]

(left default, right Lethal Company) Is there a reason to why the LC settings look so different from a normal HDRP scene and is there a way to fix/change them?

I copied the volume settings from the default HDRP project. resulting in ^

[iron quiver]

I’d love to understand what this means but I’m too dumb

what do you mean?

[tall kindle]

Will do

[tall kindle]

We want a level with no interior

No facility, mansion, etc

It's just a moon, but the same idea applies where scrap is randomly generated and so on

[tall kindle]

@gaunt hinge is it possible to have an exterior "randomly generate" it's pathing? I know you've done some literal magic with your moons before like random tree positions etc

[zenith flax]

random tree positions is basegame brother

[red stratus]

oh yeah thats possible (im fairly certain) because navmeshobstacle exists

[zenith flax]

on like all the vanilla moons

[iron quiver]

sounds hella cool

[zenith flax]

exterior random generation properly will require (pretty simple) custom code, likely via lethaltoolbox

random scrap spawning outside + with no dungeon requires extra work

[tall kindle]

Never noticed 💀

[zenith flax]

the pumpkins and rocks are more noticable

[red stratus]

never noticed the big asf rocks that spawn on experimentation?

[tall kindle]

Ah that's fair

[zenith flax]

but it does it for smaller rocks, trees etc.

[tall kindle]

With how buggy I've seen those be, I just assumed they were anomalies 😂

[tall kindle]

About to create the next perfect heist 2 (if you've ever heard of that game) 😆

[mellow flame]

just move the main exit and fire exit out of bounds

[merry eagle]

Hello hello! I have a question regarding the default values this mod gives for the Moons.
This is the Minimum and Maximum "Total Scrap Value" for Titan. It seems wayyyy too low, is it really like this by default or am I missing something?
Everything else checks out but this one seems odd and it's the case for all other moons, is why I wonder!

[serene viper]

Is that in this discord?

Just caught up on everything, to my understanding does this mean lll is fixed now or are these fixes for future patch?

[crystal edge]

nothings been updated in the thunderstore yet

[spiral siren]

@zenith flax , it might be nice to add in a patch to RoundManager.SpawnMapObjects() like this:

             if (num <= 0)
             {
                 continue;
             }
+            if (array.Length == 0)
+            {
+                Debug.Log("The moon tried to place hazards, but the interior lacks RandomMapObjects");
+                break;
+            }
             for (int j = 0; j < array.Length; j++)
             {
                 if (array[j].spawnablePrefabs.Contains(currentLevel.spawnableMapObjects[i].prefabToSpawn))
                 {
                     list.Add(array[j]);
                 }
             }
+            if (list.Count == 0)
+            {
+                Debug.Log($"The interior shares no spawnable prefabs in common with the SpawnableMapObject \"{currentLevel.spawnableMapObjects[i].name}\" of the moon");
+                continue;
+            }

[zenith flax]

On the list lol

[spiral siren]

ah sweet

just wanted to make sure, since I had just looked into the cause

[zenith flax]

Dungeons will be able to put new ones in too

[spiral siren]

oh I see, that's cool

[zenith flax]

Looking into a safeguard for having no scrapwithrarity too

[spiral siren]

oh also, in case you hadn't noticed, I don't think that Zeekers intended to not clear the List<RandomMapObject> between iterations over the spawnableMapObjects lol

could result in hazards spawning in positions they weren't intended to

[zenith flax]

oh whaaa

I get what ur saying but if you elaborate you should send that in his server / i can send for you

[spiral siren]

I don't think it's really an issue in vanilla since (I think?) it only ever has both mine and turret in all of the RandomMapObjects, but for mods that add hazards and want to select prefabs differently for each spawn point it would be a problem

[zenith flax]

yeee heard

still tho

oh also good news everyone

Won’t be next update cuz it’s overscope but

Finally figured out a good way to manipulate the ship landing path

the proof of concept I posted abit ago was super jank but this one should maybe just workTM

[spiral siren]

feel free to post about it over on zeekers's discord server, I'm not really familiar with etiquette over there

[zenith flax]

it’s post it in bug reports and pray it gets seen 😭

[spiral siren]

it's probably fine to also patch it in LLL in case anyone has a use for that functionality, but yeah, hopefully

literally just list.Clear() at the end of the outer loop

[zenith flax]

For landing positions, ideally I’ll make a way so you can have a dictionary of <Transform, Transform> (or even just a little struct) so you can add a new ship starting position+rotation and new ship ending position+rotation and if you have multiple in the list it will randomly pick

[spiral siren]

ooh, randomizing that sounds quite cool

[zenith flax]

A little mod using LLL to add a few diff random paths for vanilla moons could add a lot of variety i think

would be even cooler to have some sort of alternative gamemode/level loop where the ship drops you off or you parachute from the ship at the start then the ship has a randomised collection point it will fly down to at the end of the day

Very payday esque

@spiral siren also on the topic of moons being setup in a way that breaks the game, it uses tags to find the PropsContainer and ItemDropship objects and doesn’t null check them

just incase you didn’t know

Does the same for dungeon and environment but those are pretty essential fundamentally anyway

[spiral siren]

right yeah

understandable really, zeekers wouldn't have trouble figuring out if those were missing

common mistake for modders though

[tall kindle]

How how how how about like a uh uh uh a way where you can have multiple in-between ship points rather than just a start and end point

I'm assuming the way it works is that there's a starting position for the ship to spawn in and an end for it to land, or the other way around

I could be misunderstanding this

But it just linearly or whatever flies to the positions

[zenith flax]

i hate you so much

ok

ill think about it

[tall kindle]

It'd be cool if people could have multiple positions so they'd technically be able to animate their own ship leaving "animation"

In their custom moons

Thanks

[nimble umbra]

Can't wait for V50 of lc

I hope some improvements from modding will be made

[zenith flax]

genuinely you can very clearly see zeekers has gotten a shitton better at programming from the start of the codebase to the end

would love to see some older stuff touched up this update

[nimble umbra]

Im not looking at code, cause i Cant code

I mean
I do know basics and I can understand code

But I Cant write my own

[spiral siren]

I see a lot of people mentioning they think that zeekers might be reworking things, but my impression was that it was mostly new content, is there somwhere they've mentioned that?

[nimble umbra]

I already tired c++, c#, java, jabascript and nothing is for me

Im just unable to code

[zenith flax]

not in particular but some stuff I think would likely be refactored if zeekers needed to touch or extend it

if you know what i mean

[spiral siren]

that's true

I guess it depends on what new features are added then

will be cool to see, I'm excited

[nimble umbra]

There are a lot of things zeekers could change
The game code is in some places so stupidly hard coded like ship landing spot which makes modding this game harder

[spiral siren]

my first big update

oh of course, but spending time refactoring stuff like that for no reason is pointless, I doubt they did

[zenith flax]

the two biggest likely things i could see that happening with is the weather system, which would be so much better if it was similar to levels,items,enemies etc. and the terminalnodes using a string for terminalevents instead of just a unityevent

[spiral siren]

(pointless except for modders of course, but that shouldn't be zeekers's priority)

wait, unityevent? does it do something like that?

[zenith flax]

no

thats the issue

it uses strings

[spiral siren]

oh I see

eh, I'm okay with the system as-is, ref-matching nodes in the terminal event handler isn't so bad

we'll see though

[nimble umbra]

Pointless it that he made his code not flexible as much as it could be
Even if his whole code was only for his personal use, its more convenient to make game structure flexible for easier adding stuff etc

[zenith flax]

ehh

[nimble umbra]

I hate that I can't add story logs to my moon

[zenith flax]

i had to get pretty filthy for my preview,sort,filter words to work

[zenith flax]

next lll update homie

already pretty much done (storylog stuff)

[spiral siren]

not necessarily, overengineering something can make a game never release

[nimble umbra]

Unless V50 will break most mods haha

[zenith flax]

youll be able to pick a custom verb and everything

v50 will break LLL and then i will fix it

[spiral siren]

better to hardcode things than to spend a bunch of time making tens of systems for something that will remain small for a while

(with qualifications on hardcoding, but point is that systems take a lot of work)

[nimble umbra]

Maybe
Tho, doing so gives you a lot of expirience

Im making games myself and oh God
I wish i could make level editor for any of my projects back then

[spiral siren]

better to get experience doing things that don't burn you out

I'd rather be like zeekers than myself, I'm the type to overengineer and overthink everything

[safe flax]

I would be surprised if v50 broke my network libs

specifically static netcode lib

[spiral siren]

I don't really expect it to break a whole lot honestly

[safe flax]

doesn't even reference the game files

[spiral siren]

if I'm wrong, well, solving problems is fun lol

[nimble umbra]

God, no.
Debugging my moon for 3 days after pushing update was a terrible time for me

Literally i was losing my mind

An error appeared out of nowhere and I had no clue what was the issue

💀

[spiral siren]

yeah, that's never fun

I find that happens pretty rarely though

[nimble umbra]

I dont like unity

For my game projects i'll stick to the clickteam fusion :')

[zenith flax]

also link to this wip thing on the side https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1221617443198341120

[spice ingot]

question

i assume the config messing up everytime a new moon or interior is added will be fixed right

obviously the duplication issue but is the issue where if you download a moon/interior and it just puts it out of numerical order it messed up any manually set things on the moons/interiors that follow on the list, also gonna be fixed?

[zenith flax]

yes

[spice ingot]

thank fuck

much appreciated

[strange trail]

still very excited for next LLL patch

[zenith flax]

You should be

Doing some crazy stuff

[iron quiver]

That’s sick

I’ll try to implement everything you’re adding to my moon

I like me some challenge

[elder trout]

I am wondering this as well

[zenith flax]

also just a heads up to keep it real

depending on v50 and all that, its possible config stuff wont have too many changes

the core issues should be getting fixed (like what lllfixed does) but next LLL has a lot of cool new features yall will probably want config settings for but might not initially get

[strange trail]

dont spoil

[nimble umbra]

@zenith flax you got any leaks about V50?

[zenith flax]

why would i 😭

[nimble umbra]

yes

[zenith flax]

no

zeekers hire me pls

[slender hatch]

Hello, I am working on adding some custom behavior to my LLL moon that needs to be synced over the network. I’m patching in my code through a dll. I’m a bit new to unity networking stuff and have been running into difficulties getting the client rpcs to get called on clients other than the host. I was wondering if LLL is patching custom network objects alongside the vanilla network stuff in the level. I have been trying to find the issue for a few days now but cant seem to find where the issue is. It all runs fine on the host but nothing it getting through to the other clients dispite sharing the same network id for the object so I was wandering if the issue might be in the loading of the level.

[zenith flax]

cant help you one on one rn but in theory it should just be issues relating to you patching you mod afaik

you dont need to register anything in your level because scenes are static so any NGO inside of them is auto registered

[slender hatch]

yeah that's what I thought, thanks for confirming. Ill keep looking.

[elder trout]

Can anyone answer if LLL will conflict with lethal quantities

[forest mountain]

Just disable LLL's config to use LQ and there's no issues

[strange trail]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JoshPack/Vulcan9_Moon/ seems like I was wrong
@zenith flax

this one is incompatible with LECore as well

strictly LE compatible moon unfortunately, the lava gimmick is cool though

[jolly cargo]

I scared to change the config rn since it fights me lol

at least the interiors seem to chill

I think like 1 or 2 moons kept resetting themselves and ig some loading error where its like THATS NOT DINE and makes a new dine or something

[young tartan]

i assume modded scrap isnt working with LL yet since i didnt get pinged

[tall kindle]

you assume right, they'll work with LLL and ill be trying to port etc to LLL once the update drops

[spiral siren]

@zenith flax I remember you mentioning you wanted to prevent dungeons from needing a height limit by shifting around the interior after generation? do you have any thoughts on how that would work with this mod? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/sfDesat/Spacestation/

this one spawns the interior so that it's visible from the ship, which breaks assumptions by CullFactory, but if your mod is going to have to take that into account with some sort of flag, I can just check for that instead of having to add a heuristic

it also breaks a lot of assumptions by vanilla that anything below the surface is in the interior, but I forget what all makes that assumption other than the map renderer

[calm eagle]

Some AI related stuff does as well, but AIFix takes care of it to some degree at least

[red stratus]

@zenith flax how different will registering enemies with LLL be to LL? starting work on an enemy mod and want to see if I should hold off until its done in lll

[tall kindle]

hold off on it, but not for registering, but for the extra features lol

[weary apex]

just what I need

[red stratus]

splines

[zenith flax]

very minor

you can do ll type one now if needed

ll you register in command with an enemytype, some rarity values etc.

with lll youll just have this file that is either autoloaded via a lethalbundle or probably a register function in the same way

[red stratus]

also any ideas on how to do more complex requirements to spawn

eg one of the enemies needs hives to be present for it's mechanics

[weary apex]

best

[zenith flax]

im open to pitches

[tall kindle]

this tbh, i dont think this is in LL nor do i know how to do it if it is in LL

i havent figured out a way to affect the game unless my enemy has already spawned in :p

[zenith flax]

i just dont know exactly people like you two would actually want that in an api

not saying it shouldn't i just cant think of an approch

[red stratus]

theoretically if it could just call a function that returns a bool on whether or not to spawn

[zenith flax]

hm

this still outside/vents?

[red stratus]

yes

[tall kindle]

a more elaborate system than a simple weight lottery

yeah

[tall kindle]

i think thats the right way to describe it anyway

[zenith flax]

so maybe like, its in the pools for the levels, and maybe when the game tries to randomly collect valid enemies for the vents/outside. I could jump in and tell the game not this one please?

that way it doesnt deny spawns either by hogging up a posssible spawn etc

[tall kindle]

yeah, and we would bne able to add our own conditions for that

[zenith flax]

on my side it would just be a bool

on yall to manage yknow

unless yall would prefer that to be a float but i feel the subtley in that option might lead to unintentional, inconsistent results

[red stratus]

that would work yeah

[tall kindle]

bool sounds simpler to handle

[red stratus]

a variable would work but a function would be ideal

[zenith flax]

explain the function

[kindred bramble]

@zenith flax

Heyo Batby! I had noticed you had dropped a file for the LLL memory use optimisations. I regret to say that I have lost track of where the file was posted. Do you still have that for me to test?

Also, do you have an idea of when you plan to release this as a public release?

[zenith flax]

i have not dropped this file 😭

[red stratus]

some static function some where, it gets called when that list of possible enemies is populated, if it returns true then add it

[kindred bramble]

oh my bad haha

[red stratus]

ik how to express it in java but not c#

[tall kindle]

leaked ❗

[zenith flax]

i think i could maybe have this be an event that returns a bool

[serene viper]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Pareware/Nostromo/

is this lll or le not 100% sure

[strange trail]

LE

[red stratus]

seems like a delegate is the behaviour I want

[zenith flax]

yeee

i gotta wake up abit more and continue grinding on this

[tall kindle]

...1984?

can i see that scrap prefab?

is it like a censor bar or smthn??

[old pebble]

some of the custom scrap mods I'm looking forward to being converted over

[rich aurora]

And here's I'm hoping Kast eventually gets converted over but ceelery seems ded

[slim wind]

🙏 I'm just joking, it's gonna work

but really: I think that having an event has all the benefits from a single bool with some benefits of a function

[fallow fern]

Nostromo my beloved

I hope the creator returns and ports it to LLL / adds Celestial Tint

One of the very few space moons out right now

I'd only count USC Vortex and Asteroid 13 aside from it

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-meme-scooby-doo-shaggy-rogers-are-you-challenging-me-gif-26563581

[fallow fern]

Oh yeah Triskelion

I always remember it mentally as being cloaked in fog aside from the playable area

[calm eagle]

That was "are you challenging me to make a space-y moon"

Everything's in space sorta, I think you're thinking more of "no atmosphere"

[kindred bramble]

I want!

[zenith flax]

slowly finding all the sleepy time pings

uhhh it wouldn't!

but other stuff would break that too

at some point that mod will need to change

[fallow fern]

oh right

Please

that'd actually be so cool

especially with Celestial Tint

for a game that's super space adjacent, the amount of actual space content is sorely lacking

[spiral siren]

sounds good, then I'll hold off on making any compatibility changes to CullFactory for the moment

other then disabling culling on that interior I suppose

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/perhaps-perhaps-cow-cow-gif-24051768

[kindred bramble]

Watching to see a new moon created so I can add it to shattered company.

SC's Future. 100+ moons. 😛

3 hour scroll time in terminal.

[tired solar]

Okay, I'm finally gonna finish my LethalLib enemies and items compatibility with LLL (I spent the past 4 or something days not coding :3)

it already works for enemies, just gotta do the same for items

[tall kindle]

Nicee

[strange trail]

[tired solar]

damn, I dislike when code is copied instead of being a method or something 😭

I just realised that I need to also apply the same changes to a method to remove an enemy from a level in LL

so I would pretty much need to copy the same code into 4 different places, or modify the code a bit to make the logic a method instead

eh fuck it, I'm just gonna copy paste my code

[unique geode]

Oooh LethalLib update coming soon? I was just saying yesterday how I really wanted custom scraps and enemies to work on Rosie's Moons

[tired solar]

yeah, soon! I'm just scared that I might break something so maybe the update will be released tomorrow after some testing :3

Also I hate the logic that exists in LL for some stuff 😭 I need to figure out what to do about it, but I wish I didn't need to do anything about it lol

[unique geode]

Haha that is a complete mood in itself and I feel it 😆 I look forward to the update!!! ^^

[tired solar]

damn, the item registration code has more copy paste 😔

[slim wind]

Hey @zenith flax, quick question - when using MeteoMultiplier its patch (RoundManager.SpawnScrapInLevel) is called only on host - are you syncing stuff in regards to that?

[unique geode]

You got this I believe ^^

[calm eagle]

Dang, Lunxara's got her own emojis

[tall kindle]

i had some but no nitro lol

[tired solar]

ye, I'm almost done! The code isn't beautiful, but it works already :3

[unique geode]

🙂

[strange trail]

hamunii

[tired solar]

now it's 100% done hopefully, just needs to be tested

[tired solar]

Okay, so new LethalLib version coming up tomorrow if there are no issues, with LLL compatibility #1178447015533871174 message

[elder trout]

Hey guys, not sure if this is the best place to ask but there is no lethal quantities thread. Does anyone know if the .json for LQ overrides the general configs for modded enemy or dungeon spawns? For example, the spawn rate in the rolling giant config. Or should I disable those from their own configs and just use LQ. Sorry again if wrong place to ask, you all just seem pretty knowledgeable on this stuff

[tired solar]

I don't know, but there seems to be a lethal quantities thread, discord's search just kinda sucks so it won't find anything if it's written as a single word https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1213985212686532638

[elder trout]

Ah thank you! I appreciate that. And yeah discord search sucks lol

[rich aurora]

Can vouch for thread searching can be kinda annoying sometimes, it was especially when I was searching for as many interior threads that I could lols

[young tartan]

is there a way to have mansion interior as a controllable spawnrate on any moon ?

i would like to have mansion as a posible interior of spawning

would all in this work ?

[sharp marten]

hey batby, what patch does LLL register enemies to the modded moon's SelectableLevel.Enemies list? i tried to take a quick look on github and didn't find any references to it

[red stratus]

telekinesis

[zenith flax]

i dont

the levels do

[sharp marten]

oof might not be able to do what i want to do then

[zenith flax]

which is

[sharp marten]

basically for mirage i'm letting users set the masked enemy's percent spawn chance (instead of a weight), and then it calculates the weight for each moon (and sets it)

but right now it only works for vanilla since, well, modded moons haven't loaded yet when my code runs, and if there's no standard for it, idk if i can even do that

[zenith flax]

just use uh

time of day start

loop thru startofround levels

[sharp marten]

ah bet thanks 😄

[zenith flax]

next update you can do cooler

[red stratus]

@zenith flax would there be any clean way to choose where to spawn? again for example that enemy that uses hives for its mechanics should spawn fairly far from hives but they spawn in random spots, would i just do that stuff in a Start() ?

[tall kindle]

I believe I saw him adding a spawn position type to his list

[zenith flax]

Explain more

[tall kindle]

Though that's for items iirc

[red stratus]

heres how id implement it currently
enemy gets spawned -> check a few spots for their distances to hives -> spawn at furthest point

[tall kindle]

More control over the spawn nodes basically

[zenith flax]

What happens if u spawn then bees spawn

[red stratus]

uhhh

i guess itd spawn at just the first point it checks

[zenith flax]

Wym

[tall kindle]

You can choose what time your enemies spawn

That's just a thing you can already do using probability curve

Just set it to be past the time bees spawn

Just ti be safe do like 8:30am

[red stratus]

oh yeah wait i forgor it spawns at 1pm

[tall kindle]

:skull

[red stratus]

nvm nvm

[zenith flax]

Idk best way to do this rn tbh

[red stratus]

it spawns a structure that it spawns out of at 1 pm

[zenith flax]

A structure?

[red stratus]

like the bees are to the hives
the enemy comes out of a goofy looking thing one sec

something like this lol

[zenith flax]

Hows that gonna work navmesh wise

[red stratus]

trust 🙏

[zenith flax]

no but

Frl

[red stratus]

uh im fairly certain i could use NavMeshObstacle right?

[zenith flax]

no

[red stratus]

lc would have to use the nav mesh components for it to dynamically bake it at runtime

[zenith flax]

Yeah but you miss the window

It dynamically bakes once, before the dungeon is generated

[red stratus]

?

[zenith flax]

🤔 maybe for just obstacles.. little hesitant though

honestly easier for you to just randomly spawn this and use aidenialnodes in the prefab tho

[red stratus]

whats ai denial nodes?

[zenith flax]

evil aispawnodes

Stuff cant spawn within range of em the same way stuff can spawn in range of aispawnnodes

[red stratus]

damn will look into that

[tall kindle]

My stupid solution wouldve just been to put a while loop and keep denying bongo's enemy to spawn until the spawn node chosen was far away enough/met the requirements lol

[red stratus]

yeah i would only do a set number of probes to make sure an infinite loop doesn't happen lol

you wanna minimise the times you use while

[zenith flax]

Well instead of inserting a while loop through a transpiler

You can not do that 😜

[tall kindle]

Damn I hadn't thought of that

[slim wind]

@zenith flax #1193461151636398080 message

[zenith flax]

no

[slim wind]

but - if i'm understanding it correctly - that function is only called on host?

because i've tested yesterday and no client called RoundManager.SpawnScrapInLevel

[zenith flax]

probably

[slim wind]

👍 thanks

i'm dumb, nevermind lmao

[zenith flax]

what

That is host only

[slim wind]

and i didn't notice that for the whole yesterday 😥

[zenith flax]

cuz

gotta spawn them

[slim wind]

is this because all GrabbableObjects are just NetworkBehaviours and their positions gets synced?

so no need to do that on every client

[zenith flax]

no

Host instantiates network prefab

Host runs .Spawn on prefab ngo

which makes each client spawn that registered prefab on their side

[slim wind]

ooooooooooh alright

i understand it now

thank you 😅

[zenith flax]

No worries

Tripped me up hard first time too

[rough edge]

[19:55:02.9286294] [Warning: Unity Log] DontDestroyOnLoad only works for root GameObjects or components on root GameObjects.
[19:55:02.9281195] [Info   :   Console]  ...
  at DMD<>?-591740720.NativeDetour_Wrapper<UnityEngine.Object::DontDestroyOnLoad>?4 (UnityEngine.Object target) [0x00000] in <3c009982fcde4b468cda3fca8611c4a0>:IL_0000 
  at LethalLevelLoader.Patches.GameNetworkManagerStart_Prefix (GameNetworkManager __instance) [0x000da] in C:\Users\bobba\Desktop\LethalLevelLoaderFixed\LethalLevelLoader\General\Patches.cs:110 
  at GameNetworkManager.Start () [0x00000] in <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_0000 
  at DMD<>?-591740720.Trampoline<GameNetworkManager::Start>?1824688924 (GameNetworkManager ) [0x00000] in <f470dbed695f401da2823dcbc4dd7180>:IL_0000 
  at LethalLib.Modules.NetworkPrefabs.GameNetworkManager_Start (On.GameNetworkManager+orig_Start orig, GameNetworkManager self) [0x00000] in <92a568e1f008473a87e3e64783ac4766>:IL_0000 

DDOL warning that can be fixed

[zenith flax]

👍

wont be next update but realising now that ive collected all this data and tags for vanilla stuff, in theory i could provide options for item creators to pick a certain bracket of properties and let me set your values based on vanilla averages

eg. instead of manually setting your min and max item value i could have a slider from 1-10 and your items min/max would be set to the average from the list of vanilla items sorted from lowest average to highest average

[calm eagle]

Sounds like a nice option

[tall kindle]

the manual option still there though right?

also can i please set teh actual value of items instead of googling the value i want /0.4

[mellow flame]

nvm

[zenith flax]

yeah stuff like this for LLL is always sauce ontop

i strive to ensure your content is theoretically is built 1:1 with how vanilla content is built

[zenith flax]

probably a good editor tooling solution than something for lll

[tall kindle]

I blame zeekers for doing scrap weirdly, like seriously, why is scrap at a 0.4 multiplier

[zenith flax]

it just works

just use other items for ref

ez

[merry marsh]

In the LLL update, will the scrap and enemy spawn lists on modded moons be updated by other mods like the vanilla moons are? It would make it a lot easier to modify modded moon's spawns

[zenith flax]

Not a clue!

its possible it might end up being removed from the config tbh

we'll see

[cunning pivot]

@zenith flax Hi there, how is the developpment (and ya) going ?
Didn’t really looked at Lethal mods stuff lately but its cool to see that you are working on LLL again 🙂

[tall kindle]

Post an updated checklist, I wanna judge you meticulously

[zenith flax]

just deleted 60gb of deleted wesley moon builds 😭

[nimble umbra]

👌

[tall kindle]

wesley moons bigger than my C drive from a year ago

[pastel bolt]

yeah half of which werent loading in all the way id get half a moon so dont blame ya

[merry marsh]

I've been meaning to ask, now that the LethalLib update is out. Does any mod that adds scrap or enemies need to be LethalLib in order for them to show up on LLL moons? Or will other scrap/enemy mods possibly work?

[tall kindle]

some mods had their own spawning logic

those will still work, but should port to either LL or LLL soon

[merry marsh]

Yeah I know shy guy is one, and I think football? But what about using a mod that adds scrap? Does it need to be a LethalLib mod for it to show up on LLL moons?

[tall kindle]

they dont have to

but they should

[merry marsh]

So they'll maybe work? XD

I was also wondering about this mod in particular https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PloufJPEG/CompanyCreatures/

Will these show up on modded moons?

[tall kindle]

i dont know, you'll have to let me know lol

theres no github, no source code i can look at, and they're not using LL or anything like that

[merry marsh]

That was my issue, looks like I'll have to do some testing

was hoping someone just had an answer lol

[merry marsh]

I was able to find the mushrooms on Titan in the Mental Hospital Interior, safe to assume it'll work on other interiors and LLL moons?

[tall kindle]

um i dont think so? im pretty sure enemies are injected into levels like moons and not interiors

@zenith flax can correct me if im wrong

therefore finding it on titan, even if its an LLL interior, wouldnt imply that it would work on LLL moons

[merry marsh]

I think it's a hazard like a turret not an enemy

[zenith flax]

not sure how ll does it

[tall kindle]

its not even LL

[zenith flax]

next lll you can inject enemies into specific dungeons

[tall kindle]

this guy does his own stuff for the mushroom enemy

though the enemy hasnt been updated in 2 months

no github or anything lol

[zenith flax]

the Enemies list in selectablelevels is for dungeon enemies

[merry marsh]

It looks like it spawns in turret and mine locations, no open vent near by, so I don't think it's an enemy

[tall kindle]

dunno, maybe then

[merry marsh]

I'll try testing on Orion to see if it works

[merry marsh]

Well I found some on Orion(SCP Interior), they spawned not within a tile, but they spawned. So safe to assume this mod works with LLL moons and interiors

[merry marsh]

I double checked going to another map (Harloth) and the mushrooms work correctly. Orion seems to have an issue with them spawning in the void, scrap too

[kindred bramble]

@zenith flax

Out of curiosity are you aiming for a v49 compatible release or a v50 one? I was hoping to get the Ram optimization on v49 since mods will take time to adjust to the new update.

[zenith flax]

probably v50

the ram stuff needs more research due to some quirks that might be problematic

[mellow flame]

will the next update replace the need for LLL fixed

[elder trout]

can anyone tell me why bepinex is saying [Warning: BepInEx] Skipping [LethalLevelLoader 1.1.0.6] because a newer version exists (LethalLevelLoader 2.0.0.1)

i cant find any newer version

[chrome notch]

you have LLL fixed

[elder trout]

Oh should I remove that?

[chrome notch]

no

not atm

[elder trout]

ok thank you

[daring granite]

i heard that lethel loader 1.16 can cause weather dysnc issues

is there a way to fix this?

or do i need to just use 1.06

[chrome notch]

use WeatherTweaks

[merry marsh]

It has begun, it's released

V50

[spiral siren]

I'm ready for the repeated "is this compatible with v50" messages

[merry marsh]

And of course there's no patch notes 🙃

[loud pond]

beta branch tbf

[merry marsh]

Didn't see that it was beta, that's nice. Should give everyone a chance to update

[sharp marten]

is openbodycams compatible with v50 😳

[spiral siren]

it's compatible until I find out it isn't 😎

[slim wind]

@zenith flax no weather stuff has been changed in v50

[calm eagle]

How about AI?

[slim wind]

that's the only stuff i can find via quick glance: foggy weather will now have variable density

(which is something i've added to weathertweaks today lmaooo)

[slim wind]

there is some stuff

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/nooo-noo-no-scream-yell-gif-26307843

[slim wind]

||and 2 new enemies||

[vagrant sundial]

||what is the second one||

[tall kindle]

its the ||butler and bird||

those are the new enemies

[calm eagle]

Shouldn't be a problem for the most part

[spiral siren]

ooh, how did you set this up? saved a decompile to a local git repo?

[vagrant sundial]

sick

[slim wind]

yessir

@zenith flax

[dim lily]

is this bad

[hollow rivet]

ae you making a list

[slim wind]

of added features?

[hollow rivet]

incompatibility's

[slim wind]

with v50 or with my mod?

[hollow rivet]

v50

[slim wind]

i'm not planning on doing that lol

[calm eagle]

Seems like the changes won't affect SLAI :3

[hollow rivet]

:(

[slim wind]

we're eating good tonight 😋

[calm eagle]

I was quite ready to disintegrate

[sharp marten]

looks like the changes don't affect most mods it seems

[slim wind]

LLL is not working - like at all

[sharp marten]

i was expecting mirage to only require minimum changes if it did break so i was fine either way 😎

[spice ingot]

completely expected tho tbh

[sharp marten]

yeah i mean for LLL i was expecting breaking changes

[calm eagle]

A lot of the enemyAI changes seem to be cleaning up and adding things, notsomuch changing the way things work

[sharp marten]

i was expecting it for weather tweaks as well

[slim wind]

the only thing changed is making foggy weather use weatherVariables (so in par with other weather types)

which is something i've added today to weathertweaks 🤭

so i'm really excited

[calm eagle]

So does that mean fog will actually cover the playable area via basegame functionality, or does that just expose it for moon creators?

[slim wind]

so for every weather type you can set variable and variable2

that will be used in the fog's meanFreePath

so it's for moon creators, most definitely

[calm eagle]

wonderful, since you're the meteorologist here, what do 1 & 2 correspond to for fog?

[slim wind]

public void SetWeatherBasedOnVariables()
    {
        Random random = new Random(StartOfRound.Instance.randomMapSeed + 101);
        if (this.currentLevelWeather == LevelWeatherType.Foggy)
        {
            this.foggyWeather.parameters.meanFreePath = (float)random.Next((int)this.currentWeatherVariable, (int)this.currentWeatherVariable2);
        }
    }

so i've checked today how it works - lower values == denser fog

[calm eagle]

ahh right, I forgot you posted that snippet earlier

[slim wind]

and so this function rolls a float between variable and variable2 based on seed

[calm eagle]

yea, meanFreePath is just fog distance in the editor

So setting them to 10 and 20 means the fog will always be pea soup, 25 and 50 will be a spooky amount of fog, and 1 and 1 will be Silent Hill

[slim wind]

yeah

[calm eagle]

But no ability to set the area of the fog?

[slim wind]

i think that it's gonna be easy to adjust, because TimeOfDay will have exposed LocalVolumetricFog foggyWeather

so you'll be easily able to do foggyWeather.parameters.size and set Vector3 components (x,y,z)

[calm eagle]

Dang, I was really hoping for it to be editor-friendly rather than require a plugin

unless I'm misunderstanding

[slim wind]

i don't know right now tbh

but i think there's no way to do that in-editor

[zenith flax]

Im busy for abit this morning but would kindly appreciate any dms of info i might wanna know

I won’t be able to look at v50 directly for abit

[tall kindle]

There isn't too too much that's prolly relevant to you, you could look at the link 1A3 sent for changes

https://1a3.uk/tools/diff_viewer?cdn=lc_v50

[fallow fern]

If I'm reading this right it means the fog will be a random thickness?

That's a pretty cool change, vanilla fog was a little bit too thick imo

[fallow fern]

Spoiler tag pls :(

[errant elbow]

quick question, if I have LLLFixed, do i still need LLL or can I just remove that?

[tall kindle]

Sure but this is a thread for a mod that needs to discuss changes, don't expect it to be spoiler free :/

[zenith flax]

im working on it

[fallow fern]

Fair ;-;

[merry marsh]

Small feature request, can these config boxes be left blank going forward? It would make making a new config like 10x faster

[serene viper]

now that v50 dropped is lll up and running again or stay with fixed for now?

[sharp marten]

ya gotta give time for batby to fix it 😭

LLL doesn't even work on v50

[calm eagle]

You can probably add SLAI on there as compatible, unless an incompatibility was noticed

[hollow rivet]

What’s that

[calm eagle]

Starlancer AI Fix, my best mod

[sharp marten]

oh everyone has write access to that doc

ill add it anyways tho

[calm eagle]

Ah, ty lol

[zenith flax]

does on my pc 🤠

[red stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-buzz-dab-me-up-dab-up-gif-26395273

same without meltdown lmao

[jolly cargo]

Oh? the terminal doesn't softlock like the bug in 1.1.0?

something in my pack made it so that the terminal is black and softlocks you like the old bug in this mod

[zenith flax]

huh

in the beta?

[tall kindle]

you havent seen people talk about the terminal getting blocked?

[zenith flax]

no i just don't know what they mean in regards to them replying to that message with that comment

[errant elbow]

.

[merry marsh]

You can run both or disable LLL, LLLFix disables LLL on startup anyways

[unique geode]

So is the v50 update for LLL being pushed on TS soon? ;o

[zenith flax]

no

im not gonna push an update to a beta period

[unique geode]

Awwwww~

[drowsy folio]

hey Batby, is it possible when routing to LLL moons to have the "Please enjoy your flight"
bcuz i noticed modded LLL moons don't have it atm

[zenith flax]

omg i got this report ages ago and completely forgot

[drowsy folio]

haha nice

is it also possible for this message to be customizable?

because i noticed titan has a unique msg

[zenith flax]

it is for next lll update yeah

[drowsy folio]

so i figured maybe modded moons can have unique ones too

[zenith flax]

Already done

[drowsy folio]

nicee

[calm eagle]

You mean you aren't going to commit changes to an opt-in branch that is subject to later change with no warning? Monstrous coward

[errant elbow]

Got it, ty