Pool Rooms v0.1.23

[real spindle]

Yep! Got some in the oven right now.

[ember lance]

ooo new rooms :)

sick

cant wait

[keen oxide]

yooo he bacc

[lilac turtle]

lets goo, this is one of my favirote interiors

[sly orbit]

Turret Inside and giving damage

[past plover]

[16:46:43.4782483] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
PoolRooms.PoolRoomsWaterTrigger.OnExit (UnityEngine.Collider other) (at D:/Modding/PoolRooms/Plugin/PoolRoomsBehaviours/PoolRoomsWaterTrigger.cs:317)
PoolRooms.PoolRoomsWaterTrigger.OnTriggerExit (UnityEngine.Collider other) (at D:/Modding/PoolRooms/Plugin/PoolRoomsBehaviours/PoolRoomsWaterTrigger.cs:207)

Got this random error 🤔

[native badge]

despite this being set to false still uses its own config

[real spindle]

It is a flag for Lethal Level Loader. I still pass in the configuration regardless, but it should be ignored if things are working properly.

[native badge]

FakeNitroEmoji

i c

[real spindle]

Hmm, maybe it spawned the turret right on the edge of the nav mesh? I have nav modifiers in the walls here to prevent them from spawning inside. You know how the game is, it doesn't do a collision check to see if something can actually fit at a location, just has to be touching the nav mesh for the most part.

[primal cedar]

does this interior work for the new LLL version?

as far as i can see theres only small issues so unless theres somn big im missing i'll assume yes

[coral kernel]

Wait how do you get it to work with the new LLL? Config is disabled there. I have seen PoolRooms spawn once though, but it seems to be extremely rare

I'll have to check the rarity in the poolrooms config though

[sudden wadi]

Set the weights using the LLL config, that works

[coral kernel]

Wait isn't there only one setting for PoolRooms in the LLL config?

or are you supposed to set that to true to see the other settings

[sudden wadi]

Are you using LLL 1.2.1 or later?

1.2.0 had a bug where the configs couldn't generate

[coral kernel]

1.2.2

[sudden wadi]

You need to set the Enable Content Configuration to true for the settings to work

[sudden wadi]

Try regenerating your config

[coral kernel]

Iirc is says something like "config is handled outside of LLL"

[sudden wadi]

Mine doesn't regenerate it, it's messed up

[coral kernel]

I actually deleted it a few times today to regenerate it, didn't seem to change anything. Other interiors show up though

I'll take a look tomorrow though

[sudden wadi]

I have no such issue🤔

[coral kernel]

oh that's odd. I'll take another look tomorrow and send a screenshot if it doesn't work

[sudden wadi]

This is my PoolRooms config

[native badge]

weird, mine is set to false and still uses poolrooms

(you can see my msg up there)

[sudden wadi]

That's why I have it set to 0 and the list blank. Just incase something like that happens

I only use the LLL config for EVERY interior

I always recommend doing the same, I have no clue how well LQ works rn tho. I don't use it in my pack

[native badge]

i use the exact same values in both lll'

s and pool rooms config

so i cant be bothered actually thinking

[coral kernel]

this is what I have rn

no other settings aside from that one

Nevermind, reinstalled and regenerated and it works now!

[lilac turtle]

have they been cooked?

[real spindle]

Pushed version 0.1.21 which is more of a compatibility update for V50 and updates to conform to the changes to LLL.
There is a change to the entrance in this version, but the other rooms are still "cooking" 😉

PoolRooms v0.1.21

[serene spoke]

Does

updates to conform to the changes to LLL.
mean that you moved the config to LLL's config or does it still use its own standalone config file?

[real spindle]

Just updated to the name changes / LevelMatchingProperties
GenerateAutomaticConfigurationOptions will be true and not use my config if UsePoolRoomsMoonsConfig is false, which it is by default.

[brazen wigeon]

Do you have some plan of adding mimic compatibility

[serene spoke]

Exactly what I was about to ask lol

[hidden canopy]

Anyone know why LLL is causing the terminal to not route to the company building?

[serene spoke]

Not really, I personally don't have that problem but those who have it recommends downgrading LLL to 1.2.1 to fix it

[hidden canopy]

Okay, I tried that last night and people constantly disconnected when trying to join despite having the same profile as me.

[real spindle]

TerminalFormatter mod fixes it for the time being

at least for me

[real spindle]

Mimic is a mod which very specifically works with the contents of the factory or mansion interiors. For some sort of support to exist the mimic mod creator would need to work with us directly to support each type of exit prefab through some generic means. The best hope is Lethal Level Loader having a mechanism for us to submit our generalized exit prefabs for a mod like mimic to request from LLL to be used by the mod to inject the fake doorways.

There has been talk about this. I will support a generic exit doorway style if the time comes.

[serene spoke]

Wouldn't this help? This was added in the last update

And it allowed Scarlet Devil Mansion to make mimics for their interior

[real spindle]

Seems the mod itself now supports the idea and Lethal Level Loader will try to implement some support. I don't see any documentation other than conversation about the API.

I realize updates for Pool Rooms has been slow. It has been hard for me to work on it since we are in crunch mode at my studio trying to release our game. Hopefully I can bang out those new rooms this weekend and maybe look over this mimic implementation in Scarlet, but no promises. 🙂

[shy storm]

thank you king

Poolrooms underrated goat

[wild shore]

Does anybody else have the issue of poolrooms being too bright? About a month ago they were really dark. Now they are way too bright.

[serene spoke]

Depends on the moon

Some moons make their interiors really bright while other really dark

[devout tree]

have you folks checked out this Pools game that released a few days ago

basically an interactive art installation, no monsters or anything. pretty cool, made me think of LC interior mods that accomplish the same thing

[distant ridge]

that looks like an hd version of liminal pools

[sand stream]

I think https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1216979536931979395 would be better to take inspiration from it tbh

[white rivet]

@real spindle So ive heard you fixed the main entrance being ‘blocked’ when trying to enter with your interior, im having the same issue and dont really know where to start to fix it

[slender basin]

Is that from it not generating a main entrance within the interior?

also I love Cozy Office, best interior out there rn

[white rivet]

sadly not, the entrance generates, just without a interact trigger

This only happens sometimes also, specifically on moons such as rend, adamance, and my moon, summit

[slender basin]

I had it happen on experimentation once with Cozy Office

But yeah I'm aware it's not smth that happens all the time

I've seen it with a toooon of interiors, ever since the first ones were made

I honest to god thought it was a feature at first lmao, don't really mind some paths being obligatory sometimes, helps mix things up

[white rivet]

fair

[white rivet]

it also seems to have some desync & fps issues, which makes it more of an issue

I swear it didnt happen before v50 though

[slender basin]

oh shit, didn't know that

[slender basin]

It happened to me once or twice with the scp interior

during like, v45

[white rivet]

got it

it may be a different issue although

[slender basin]

maybe, all I remember is that it said one of the entrances was blocked

the one I remember the most was one where the fire exit was blocked

[white rivet]

got it

[shy storm]

popping my head in

is everything for poolrooms a-ok

[native badge]

ye

even got a v50

[shy storm]

nice

[frail orchid]

new LLL dropped and causes error

[ancient bay]

Yep, its this
So we just wait

[west island]

@real spindle pinging just to make sure you see these messages

[real spindle]

@here update on the way

[timber lynx]

@golden ruin c;

[golden ruin]

[real spindle]

PoolRooms v0.1.22

It's up, will just take a bit for it to update

[native badge]

quick question, does lll just not autogenerate a config for poolrooms anymore? my separate pool rooms config doesnt work and lll doesnt have its own

using lll 1.2.2 if that matters

[native badge]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i c

[serene spoke]

It's already been patched

To generate it in LLL's config you need to go into a save

[native badge]

so do i use 22 or 21?

[serene spoke]

I use 1.2.3

[native badge]

i meant poolrooms

[serene spoke]

oh, use the latest one

1.22

[native badge]

alr ty

[native badge]

alright, so it seems that for me on 1.2.2 and .22 poolrooms the config just doesnt generate

and im honestly hesitant to update my lll

got it to work with .21

[serene spoke]

It seems that the last update broke the mod, I just tried it and both interior's config and LLL's config can't register the interior to moons

@real spindle

[real spindle]

Strange. I do test it each release and it is working for me. I wish I understood this config stuff better to help out. There isn't any documentation afaik for best LLL implementation steps.

[native badge]

yeah thats what happened to me, lll didnt generate one, poolrooms didnt work

[serene spoke]

LLL did generate one for me tho

it just doesn't work

[native badge]

mine wouldnt generate it until i downgraded poolrooms

[real spindle]

All this update has is the variable name change, it is the same as 21 otherwise

[native badge]

oh i think mine didnt generate it cause mine is 1.2.2

and yours is .3

[timber lynx]

This isn't an issue for CoderFred to fix

PoolRooms 0.1.22 will only work on LLL 1.2.3+

[serene spoke]

I have 1.2.3

[timber lynx]

PoolRooms generated a config for it just fine for me when I tried it, granted I still find it hard to find moons that this interior fits on

and I disagree it fits on Eve btw

[serene spoke]

Oh it did generate a config for me too, it's jsut that listing moons doesn't work

[timber lynx]

XD

Oh

[serene spoke]

to each their own haha

[timber lynx]

I disagree just cus Rosie has said Facility and Dantor's fit on it the most lol

[timber lynx]

@real spindle are you gonna be releasing a hotfix for PoolRooms?

So the config works

Well I just tested

Works for me

@serene spoke

[serene spoke]

Oh maybe because I have this on

[timber lynx]

Probably set that to false and use the LLL config

XD

[serene spoke]

Well it worked before but I'll try that

[timber lynx]

Have you had any issues with the interior being laggy? It was pretty laggy for me on Atlantica

[serene spoke]

Havent tried the latest update yet, but it wasnt laggy before

[serene spoke]

Nope, still didn't work

I'll try deleting Poolrooms config and see if that changes anything

[timber lynx]

It works fine for me lol

[serene spoke]

Did you change anything in the config file?

I figured it out, it's so dumb

I had Eve as "EveM" Instead of "Eve"

[timber lynx]

lol

I set it to Atlantica and StarlancerZero

[serene spoke]

Yeah I saw that, maybe I'll add it to Atlantica too

[lilac turtle]

i have had this issue for months

and on atlantica it was horrible

never figuired out the issue

[timber lynx]

For me it was the Scanner Fix in GeneralImprovements

Disable that

[lilac turtle]

oh ty

i remember now I removed general improvments and that fixed lag issues on wesleys moons

but it was actually scanner fix

how tf did u figuire that out?

[timber lynx]

Well I tried reenabling it as a test and had issues with it lagging custom interiors in the past

I replaced it with BetterItemScan and TestAccount's ScanShipFromAnywhere lol

[lunar badge]

Hey, for some reason the config isn't working for me.. like I can use it and place values in but they won't actually appear in game.

[serene spoke]

Have you tried using the LLL config?

[lunar badge]

yes

[serene spoke]

Did you make sure that content configuration was enabled? And what moon did you try to put it on?

[lunar badge]

currently reintalling it

[lunar badge]

yes

[native badge]

i think poolrooms is causing dungeon desyncs issues on every moon i land, only removing it helped (unless it was just a coinscidence or lll issues)

I'll keep you updated if it ends up a different culprit, but removing poolrooms solved the issue instantly

[mellow zealot]

Not sure if known but dropping down here without stamina makes you stuck basically. stamina doesent regen so you cant jump up

and i cant crouch through this to get up unfortunately

[pseudo thicket]

Anyone know any good moons to pair with this interior? Something that'd make sense with the vibe of this interior.

[golden ruin]

any school moon. pretend it's a rec center

[timber path]

Polarus and Aquatis IMO, since both have a lot of water

[timber lynx]

No way Polarus lol

Polarus feels more designed for a Mansion

It's an ice planet

[timber path]

ice is just very cold water :P

[timber lynx]

I'm sorry but Poolrooms and frozen moon don't mix 😂

Unless you wanna get frost bite or smth

lol

[timber path]

I never said I didn't wanna get frostbite 😂

[serene spoke]

I also have Poolroom as on of the interiors on Polarus lol

I do think it kind of fits too

[wise sparrow]

Desert/Sand moons, I love the contrast

[slender basin]

so this place don't have no water in it

but it still has water physics

so i just got softlocked here

@real spindle sorry to bother ya

also does this interior drop frames every once in a while for anybody else?

[lilac turtle]

gratar

i feel like random moons also are good

considering its a liminal space

[lilac turtle]

any plans for some new rooms

[exotic rune]

Pool Rooms v0.1.22

[nimble moat]

does this interior work with v62=?

[grim mica]

it werk just fine

[nimble moat]

Awesome, thy

[lilac turtle]

Would recommend lowering the e size of it tho

[nimble moat]

How much?

[lilac turtle]

I did it to 0.7

[nimble moat]

Thanks!

Via LLL confog or poolroom config?

[lilac turtle]

Sorry for late reply, but lll would be better I think

[nimble moat]

Okay, tyanks

[nimble moat]

it would be the setting called
General Settings - Restrict Dungeon Size Scaler = 0.7
right?

there is also
General Settings - Minimum Dungeon Size Multiplier = 1
General Settings - Maximum Dungeon Size Multiplier = 2.5

[lilac turtle]

uh

im pretty sure its the min

and max

I set both min and max to 0.7

and left the restrict dungeon size scaler to 0.7

mb for the late reply

[nimble moat]

so everything .7

the default dungeon size scaler was 1

[lilac turtle]

Default dungeon size scaler should be 1 I think

[nimble moat]

Okay, thanks

[lilac turtle]

actually I think im an idiot

its supposed to be 0

the resreict dungen size scaler thing

[nimble moat]

Oh

[shut drum]

Someone needs to get Batby in here to help fix the file/ram usage of this one. There isn't that many tiles yet it's one of the biggest interiors around. Unless there is some other weird reason for that. But it needs optimization either way.

[slender basin]

fairly sure there's a moon optimization guide that could also help for interiors

either way he's not responsible for every interior around, it's up to the guy who made this or a volunteer (with the consent of the creator)

[shut drum]

Oh no, just saying he knows what he is doing when I saw Black Mesa interior go from 538MB to 166MB. Not saying he has to or is responsible.

[slender basin]

oh tru tru! I assume there's a guide somewhere for that, but either way yeah i'd love for the file size of this one to go down a bit

[ember lance]

love this interior to death :3 but the radioactive water always unnerved me, i made a small plugin to change it to use my recreated vanilla water material (before/after)

[slender basin]

oh that's lovely!

[ember lance]

yeah! doing some small tweaks to this interior in a child plugin! rn its just called poolroomstweaks

i plan on making the mirrors kinda reflective hehe

i personally think this is one of the best interior mods out there design wise; it feels like it fits so well in the vanilla game IMO

so this is more or less just a passion project of mine ig

[bitter vigil]

Ooo very nice

[daring horizon]

Wait 'till they go to college

Aged water

troll~1

[ember lance]

still water...

[daring horizon]

1000QuotaStare~1

Those who know... 🎅 🎅 🐡

[ember lance]

Made the mirrors look a little nicer maybe?

I cant.. really feasibly do reflections without shoving a camera in every single bathroom.. but I think this looks cool!

[daring horizon]

You're doing WHAT in a bathroom

ArtiPoint

[ember lance]

i love this shader sadly its really heavy on performance

heres another screenshot of the water btw

i might make it more of a teal blue like these images

[bitter vigil]

yeah that would probably look better

[ember lance]

what the coils doin..

@real spindle are you ok with me making a plugin like this btw? it patches into your extended content to change some materials and i was planning on uploading it using your mod as a dependency

[ember lance]

heres tha other thing

[daring horizon]

Having fun

https://tenor.com/view/marine-mammal-rescue-plop-oops-otter-cute-animals-gif-23690691

[ancient bay]

Imo i prefer the blue, keeps it more visually distinct from the LiminalPools interior
An option to choose between them would be great if you could

i love the look of that blue one so far

[ember lance]

wouldnt the option just be not using it

i dont think im going to do much else

not much else i had in terms of gripes

[ancient bay]

No cuz i like the blue

you did a nice blue

[ember lance]

Oh i misunderstood

i thought you meant the blue from the interior by itself

honestly I could probably make a hex code config thing

[ancient bay]

Nah, i meant i like your blue water shader over the original
But i wouldnt want a teal version

[ancient bay]

Nice!

[ember lance]

I considered it but didn't think anyone would care

I was wrong lol

yeah I'll do that

[ancient bay]

Oh shit hold on
If you do it per moon or something, i mean, a red blood pool could be kinda cool idk
inb4 people make the PissRooms 💔

Maybe dont give them that much power

[fervent wave]

any other color that isn’t blue can be considered heinous in a multitude of ways

[ancient bay]

true

except maybe green

pink / purple is also just kinda silly

[slender basin]

hmmmmmmm I mean we have liminal pools for that lol

[ember lance]

I don't really like how liminal pools looks to be completely honesttt

[slender basin]

i mean the shader change would be a good enough reason to use it imo

• other tweaks

[ember lance]

no offense to its creator

[slender basin]

oddball opinion

[ember lance]

its well crafted

[slender basin]

throw rocks at this user

[ember lance]

its just very visually bland compared to

well

this

[slender basin]

still I think this interior is more blue than teal

[ember lance]

fair

[slender basin]

doesn't really fit the color scheme it's going for

[ember lance]

also i deserve this

[slender basin]

bot got mad at me

[ember lance]

lmao

[bitter vigil]

I agree

[ember lance]

how do you guys feel like scrap spawns are on this interior btw?

like just overall the actual amount of payout on this interior vs. say manor

[ancient bay]

It always used to feel too spread out, i remember checking so many empty bathrooms
I then lowered the size in the LLL config
But apparently that doesnt work??? So i've apparently been gaslighting myself lol
Eitherway it feels fine now

[fervent wave]

Green is the sinister acid
Pink is pepto-bismol
Purple is evil swamp poison

[real spindle]

I don't mind. The mod is open source so you could make your edits directly if you wanted. If people want to continue developing pool rooms I will support that however I can. 🙂

[ember lance]

huge!!!!

[fervent wave]

IS it open source?

[ember lance]

yeah!

mit

[fervent wave]

That’s pretty neat

[ember lance]

i just wanted to ask for permission anyways

[fervent wave]

If i ever get a hang of interiors i might try my hand and add some more tiles and stuff

It’d be cool to add stuff like slides and bigger rooms to explore

[ember lance]

some big tiles would be awesome

maybe i should try patching a new project to just work on pool rooms directly

i would have been doing that from the start if i knew fred was just chill like that Lmao

[ember lance]

maybe we should work together

[fervent wave]

That would be cool actually yeah

[ember lance]

im more code than artist

so

[fervent wave]

Idk how that’d work but it could be cool

[ember lance]

well

[fervent wave]

Oh awesome i’m more artist than code

[ember lance]

i know how to collaborate on lc projects with unity

you can export assets as unitypackages and then import them on another project

ive been doing that with a friend on moon stuff

and it works fine

[fervent wave]

And by that i mean i can’t code for the life of me besides making the cat go left forever in a scratch project

[ember lance]

I also do some sound design

so I was thinking of adding custom ambience :3

like how theres manor ambience

i gen think this has the potential to be like. The best vanilla style custom interior

it just needs a bit more polish

[fervent wave]

Yeah it can be really fun to work on too

I’m currently working on an interior rn since it’s the first one i’ve started doing

[ember lance]

ahh okay!

no worries

but if you ever wanna help out hit me up

[fervent wave]

So it’s helping me learn all about how to do stuff

But after that it could be a fun project to pick up

Actually lemme grab smth i made real quick art wise

[ember lance]

I'll go ahead and post the fork here

actually let me upload it first

[fervent wave]

heree we go

i can 100% make an icon for the mod + some art stuff for it

i gotta go eat now but i'll tell you whenever i can work on it

[ember lance]

oh god

this project was built with the actual dungen asset

wtf am i gonna do i dont have 75 dollars LOL

[ember lance]

ok fine whatever i got it

[winged crag]

[ember lance]

did some optimizations.. managed to decrease the assetbundle in size without any noticeable difference in quality by 70%!

[ancient bay]

Oh let's go
PoolRooms was one of the largest mods in my pack

This is wonderful news

[ember lance]

zeekerss gave me the lethal company piano (heres a little sample)

i think im gonna use this to make an original stinger for pool rooms

hehehe

[primal cedar]

so just a question, are you like making a remake of the pool rooms or is this something else

[ember lance]

hopefully a community update (?)

not a remake

just touching up some things

i added more scrap spawns to keep things less spread out, ive optimized the filesize by 70%, improved some visual details like the water shader, and im planning on adding unique ambience, dungenplus support with generator presets, and more

also hoping to work with pedro to get some new tiles

also, maybe ill finally add that pool noodle weapon. i think it would be really funny if it just does no damage lol

[bitter vigil]

all of these should be added

[keen oxide]

It's such a good feeling ay

[ember lance]

indeed

crunch compression is awesome!

[keen oxide]

What's the biggest stuff left in it?

[ember lance]

hmm?

you mean the remaining 30mb

its hard for me to tell because theres no assetbundle browser in this project but im relatively sure most of the filesize comes from textures which i have optimized all of them

[keen oxide]

if there isn't you can just install it

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/AssetBundles-Browser

[ember lance]

ohh alr

[keen oxide]

did you find out about the dungen stuff

[ember lance]

kinda

i got it working

[keen oxide]

that you don't need to buy it

[ember lance]

well i already knew one came with the project patcher

but it wasnt working

i think because the meta files were different or something

like i couldnt get it to work on this project

id say the remainder is probably this

and some tiles give or take

but like all the textures are like kilobytes now

[keen oxide]

Curious how different those two bathrooms are

[ember lance]

not very

the entire room doesnt really need to be two different meshes

ig its easier that way though

[keen oxide]

It's nitpicky forsure but that's an easy 7mb (uncompressed) save right there

[ember lance]

yeah

[keen oxide]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Palm trees could be reduced to

[ember lance]

look at this lol

the palm leaves were originally uncompressed 2048x

and like

40mb

[keen oxide]

yup

have you read through my black mesa optimisation thread

[ember lance]

i have not, but ive seen it

might be worth giving it a read

[keen oxide]

Won't be too much you haven't seen but might be some neat stuffs

[ember lance]

yeayea

super impressed with the difference just by optimizing the textures alone tbh

went from being one of the biggest interiors to one of the smallest

[west island]

share?

[ember lance]

oh yeah lmao

i wasnt even trying to gatekeep i legit just forgot

one second

here it is

[west island]

siiiiiick tysm

[daring horizon]

I just wanted to say: Wtf

You are actually so talented

This sounds exactly like something Zeekerss would've composed, I love it

[ember lance]

@real spindle I made a custom stinger for Pool Rooms that uses the original sample and mixing from the vanilla interior stingers, I'm kinda happy with it, do you think I could also include this in the pull request?

[bitter vigil]

this is gonna sound somewhat stupid but one of my biggest pet peeves with this interior is that it doesn't use the vanilla toilet model, and if possible it would be nice if you could fix that

[ember lance]

lmao

i mean

sure

[bitter vigil]

YES

[ember lance]

should they also be flushable..?

[ember lance]

gah ignore this i mixed it incorrectly

[daring horizon]

It'd be funny probably

[neat verge]

yo are there any effects on this or is it just how the sample is

cus if there are effects pretty please sshare id be like so happy

[ember lance]

ok sure

1 sec

i copied the setup from a screenshot zeek posted

in his patron chat

[neat verge]

aight

[ember lance]

can you tell chara i said hi

the left EQ is the one on the bottom

[neat verge]

wait what the fuck

[ember lance]

the reverbsc is at the very bottom

[neat verge]

whattttt

[ember lance]

we go way back

[neat verge]

you do?

[ember lance]

mhm

[neat verge]

thats crazy

from vc?

cus voiid?

or smth else

[ember lance]

nah i knew her before all that

we met in around 2021 i think

or 2020

[neat verge]

oh damn

i dont know when i met them

probably 2021 or 2022

but yeah ill say hi lol

[ember lance]

LMMS is fucking stupid btw

i hate this shit

[neat verge]

i used lmms before fl

i can NOT go back anymore

nightmarish creature sits on my taskbar

[neat verge]

yo thanks

this shit works

[ember lance]

i expect you to make a storehouse stinger now. go my scarab

keep that shit consistent

[neat verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pallas-cat-cat-stare-judging-gif-27311591

the last stinger i made just by butchering the stingers we already had in fl

lol

i made one for another project im on

this shit gonna be

so much easier

fire file name

[golden ruin]

ah good. thought itd be for something rather important

[real spindle]

I always wanted it to be this floppy thing that did no damage yea.

[ember lance]

oh fred did u see this #1206390977674354738 message

i want feedback

maybes

[real spindle]

Wow awesome! Of course!

Yea, the stinger is awesome, fits the game perfectly!

[winged crag]

I’ll update the LethalCompanyLists sheet to show the interior will be maintained again! ^-^

Also the stinger sounds so good omg

[winged crag]

[ember lance]

rejoice

i also updated the urinals to look fucked and old like the vanilla toilet

[daring horizon]

Make one of th mem skibidi toilet it would be awesome /j

[ember lance]

im getting the weed killer

[daring horizon]

NO

[ember lance]

im pretty sure you can flush these btw lol

[neat verge]

my life is complete

oh yeah also chara/rhys responded

they said "LOL"

[daring horizon]

Shitting update

[ember lance]

should I make it so you can also interact with the hand dryer

[neat verge]

yuh

[ember lance]

i could just make it play the hairdryer sound

lol

[neat verge]

if you use jll you can use the play random sound or whatever its called to make it piss off the maneater

[ember lance]

i was just gonna put an interact trigger on it and make it play an animation clip that plays the sound

dont rlly need an api for that

[neat verge]

i mean true

iirc though it doesnt tick off the maneater though

like the baby

[ember lance]

aww what

[neat verge]

yeah

[ember lance]

isnt it triggered by all audiosources?

[neat verge]

i tried making something do that and i had to dm xu

apparently not

[ember lance]

dum

maybe ill take a peek at jll then idk

[neat verge]

i mean its a good mod

jacobs cool too

would recommend

i use it for a lot of tiny little things

[ember lance]

i hope fred doesnt mind me adding like two fucking apis lmao

im already adding dungenplus

[neat verge]

who fred

[ember lance]

guy who made this

[neat verge]

oh are you porting

[ember lance]

eh

it already functions

im just doing a community update

polishing the edges and whatnot

[neat verge]

ohhhhhhh

i see

[ember lance]

i also added a bunch of scrap spawns

there were not very many

which lead to scrap being super spread out

[neat verge]

oh yeah youre not the op of the thread

[ember lance]

im the rebalanced moons person

[neat verge]

have you made an interior yourself before?

[ember lance]

no

[neat verge]

oh???

the one that like

disabled the basegame ones and had like replacements or whatever

[ember lance]

yes

[neat verge]

i see

[ember lance]

well

to be specific it changes the scene of the vanilla moon entries

[neat verge]

wdym

[ember lance]

this runs on lobby start

thats pretty much it

[neat verge]

so it overrides the routing for the changed moons to go to yours instead?

[ember lance]

yeah

[neat verge]

or am i reading that wrong

[neat verge]

makes sense

[ember lance]

well actually no because it used to do that and it made weather mismatch because it would select a different random weather for my replacement moons

now it just changes the scene itself

when you land

[neat verge]

thats interesting

[ember lance]

yeah LLL isnt really built for doing what im doing

i had to do a lot of weird shit

batby had to help a lot

[neat verge]

sounds about right tbh

you do anything else?

like besides the moon rebalances

[daring horizon]

claysturgeon

[ember lance]

most of my other mods are small shit but my magnum opus is probably that guy that sorrow posted ^

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/

[daring horizon]

arber

[neat verge]

oh clay surgeon overhaul

teehee

id run that mod if i didnt absolutely hate the barber and have that shit basically disabled

[daring horizon]

Why do you hate barbers tf

[neat verge]

i like my hair

[ember lance]

yeah my mod basically puts them on crack so if you cant handle the vanilla barbers i dont blame you lol

[neat verge]

and my torso

[neat verge]

not even that i cant handle them i just dislike the way theyre like

made

[daring horizon]

What's wrong with them?

[neat verge]

everything about them

[daring horizon]

Whuh

They're like one of the most unique entities

Close to vain shrouds/kidnapper foxes and old birds

[neat verge]

well visually i dislike them (mod fixes that ty)
dislike most creatures that always know where you are
being invisible is gay
ummmuhhh scissors hurts real bad

[ember lance]

at the very least i do increase the visibility distance

[neat verge]

being fr though i just mainly dislike the vanilla model and the fact that they just pop into existance

[neat verge]

didnt know that

thank fuck

[ember lance]

yeah i feel that the vanilla model kinda bugs me

it has a single vertex on its pinkie finger that sticks out

[neat verge]

vanilla model feels like garten of banban and rainbow friends had a weird freak baby

[ember lance]

and the topology is horrible

iirc my model is 3x less verts than the vanilla model

and thats just because of the hands alone

[neat verge]

how

[ember lance]

one second

[daring horizon]

That's what makes them unique tho...

I love my funny little klaymen

[neat verge]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-video-game-mad-gif-24076208

[daring horizon]

They're so different to everything else in LC

[ember lance]

the hands are just super fucked

[daring horizon]

WTFFFFF

ZEEKERSS BUTCHERED THOSE HANDS LMAO

[ember lance]

heres mine

[daring horizon]

The body is alright, I guess

[neat verge]

holy FUCK

😭

[ember lance]

ok so its like

2x less

but

whatever

[neat verge]

yknow

didnt the garten of banban models

also have

really shit models

in terms of optimization

[ember lance]

yea but they were a lot higher poly

[daring horizon]

Zeekerss is absolutely not on the same level as them

[neat verge]

well yeah i know i just find it funny

[winged crag]

This some security breach level bs

They made Freddy use his VERY HIGH POLY cutscene model in-game

[keen oxide]

this code yearns for a function

[winged crag]

they prob fixed it at some point though

[ember lance]

yea ur right 😭 ill get to it eventually

[neat verge]

i have a 6 million triangle tree

i dont use it

but i have it

and part of me wants to just hide it as a pocket nuke for peoples pcs

[winged crag]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[real spindle]

If you add more spawns it doesn't spawn more loot right? There is just a higher chance of loot spawning all in one area and less loot spawning across the map.

[ember lance]

correct

it does not spawn more loot

that is only determined by min/max scrap

ive been hearing reports that PoolRooms has issues with generating scrap in which its too spread out

I'm trying to alleviate that

[real spindle]

Sounds like the dungeon size multiplier just needs to be reduced some more

[ember lance]

maybe, will do some more testing

[real spindle]

My plan was to add more tile variation as well but that is easier said than done

[ember lance]

indeed

[real spindle]

It does feel like areas repeat themselves a lot

Then again, they do in Zeekers interiors as well, just they feel "better" somehow. Magic sauce.

[ember lance]

well

in my opinion you struck a pretty decent balance

that is why i care about this Lmao

[real spindle]

I was getting there 😉

Since there is some renewed interest I will try to make some time to create the end caps I wanted to add, no promises.

Good ideas for connector pieces would be huge. I had such a hard time coming up with them.

Maybe they just need polish and artistic variation.

[ember lance]

been trying to cooperate with another artist here to maybe get some more tile variation too
we had a big tile in mind with some tube slides

[real spindle]

yea, tube slides for sure

The biggest tile I believe is the pool area

[ember lance]

mhm

[real spindle]

I tried to break it up with the seating so it wasn't such an open line of sight area for monsters

[ember lance]

my favorite tile is probably the palm tree connectors, i love the fake windows that generate on the door blockers

[real spindle]

haha, those are inspired from the mansion interior of course 🙂
I always loved the idea of those windows. Because the outside of the moon sucked, you needed that fake portal to keep the spirits high.

[ember lance]

yesss

also, someone requested the toilets be the ones you can buy on the ship, wdyt lol? i removed the furniture scripts but kept the interaction scripts so you can flush them

can def roll this back lol but i thought it was funny

[bitter vigil]

YES

[remote summit]

i would love if you kept that lol

[real spindle]

oh damn, I forgot all about that purchasable toilet. Would have used that model for sure.

[pale cliff]

What's the preset iydm ?

[gleaming bramble]

Good change good change

[ember lance]

hey all, haven't forgotten about this! been super busy with other projects but i plan to resume development on my end really soon

if you guys have any ideas for what I could add, I'm all ears! currently ive:

• remade the water shader using the one zeekerss uses for LC
• touched up the mirrors with a shader so they aren't just white planes but look somewhat "reflective" (i did my best)
• added a brand new stinger (which should work with revisit stingers)
• added extra scrap nodes to tiles that were lacking to keep loot less spread out
• made lockers more likely to spawn items
• made security doors more likely to spawn as they were very sparse

[bitter vigil]

I think the apparatus room could use more lockers

[nimble moat]

skibidi toilet mod integration perhaps

:)

[nimble moat]

regarding these

[ember lance]

me when i get my nuts blasted off by a shotgun

@daring horizon

[nimble moat]

aside from that though I love this interior

one of the best imo

I have the impression that unfortunately many recent mods that add interiors and/or enemies do not fit that well into the game

thats just me though+

[ember lance]

some of them are pretty out there

[nimble moat]

I know

some are real gems

[ember lance]

i wanted to work on this one specifically because artistically, this one stands out to me the most atm (other than lc office)

the fake windows and stuff and all the blues everywhere add a lot

[nimble moat]

again its just my opinion, but I for one for example find the ut99 interiors a bit too empty and lacking of that claustrophobic impression

[nimble moat]

it's great

really

[ember lance]

just needs more tiles

[nimble moat]

LC Office, Pool rooms, and liminal pools are my favourite interior mods

I also loved bunker and the sewer(?) one, but afaik they've been abandoned :/

[daring horizon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204432295025578014/1320462293951315998/twitter_1867376822478156069.gif

[snow furnace]

Question, is there any way to affect gravity in a tile? Like, say, have a room with a pool - but flipped, so the water is on the ceiling (from out PoV) but still acting like regular water?

On the topic of potential for additional rooms, this strikes as an example for a two-tile-high connector, where a ladder or whatever goes into the water, but the water sticks to the ceiling on the lower part, so it’s like you’re diving into the pool but come out the other side upside down

[fervent wave]

for the pool on the ceiling part, you could literally just
put the water on the ceiling

for the gravity part however, i had the idea before of having the player be parented to the side of a wall, so it effectively acts as changing their gravity

so in that picture you could hypothetically make the player parent to the ceiling so they're upside down

[snow furnace]

Well that’s what I was wondering. If you just flipped the tile I assume the water will stay because game logic, but is it possible to reorient the player when they enter the flipped half of the tile?

[fervent wave]

like you're talking the tile itself

and you're flipping it? like mid round?

is that what you're talking about?

[snow furnace]

Yes, so see the picture above - imagine like an hourglass, where it’s the same on both ends but top-bottom are mirror reflections of each other. The bottom half is just the same as the top, but flipped (so the ceiling is the floor, etc.)

[fervent wave]

okay hold on bc we're talking abt two different things here

i'm thinking you're talking about taking a tile

and halfway through the round you take the tile

[snow furnace]

Not flipping it mid-round. It just being flipped in general

[fervent wave]

and rotate it 180 degrees

[snow furnace]

No no no I just saw what you asked

[fervent wave]

okay then yeah

[snow furnace]

The tile starts that way - either a two-story tile or two tiles that can only connect to each other - where the bottom half is an upside down mirror image of the top

[fervent wave]

you can parent the player to stuff, so you could hypothetically parent them to the ceiling when they reach that half of the room

and parent them to the floor when they reach the other half of the room
sorta kinda acting like switching gravity

[snow furnace]

If yes, then you could just do a full on Red Rooms tileset where you cross the threshold down and suddenly everything’s inverted

Easy way to increase variety, at minimum just change the ambient lighting to red and boom, double the tiles, double the atmosphere. Then you can tweak as needed

[quick holly]

unfortunately (or fortunately for the case of the cruiser), I'm pretty sure gravity works in global space, not local, so you would probably also have to modify the gravity vector

[bitter vigil]

I think the trash can in the bathroom should have a scrap spawn inside it

[bitter vigil]

maybe these bits could connect better?

also maybe this pool could be filled 50% of the time

[bitter vigil]

I think the interior could use a little bit more grime like the water stains you find at the company building on the floor

[bitter vigil]

this stuff

[ember lance]

yeye

i gotchu

i agree

[unkempt kiln]

recent LLL update has bricked pool rooms

[ember lance]

its over

[quaint basin]

lol what

is CoderFred active ?

[unkempt kiln]

he was as of last month

[ember lance]

Not development wise but he accepts prs and has given me explicit permission to work on the interior directly

[quaint basin]

LLL 1.4.0: Interior killer

[unkempt kiln]

Scp interior as well

[ember lance]

I might have to refactor and make the mod use lethalbundles

[spiral osprey]

How many are broken

[unkempt kiln]

its mostly older ones

[ember lance]

im pretty sure this is the issue

[quaint basin]

it will be remembered at the Interior Incident

[spiral osprey]

Rest in peace

[quaint basin]

lol

yeah doesn't seem to hard to fix

[ember lance]

but if coderfred allows me to i will fix it

[quaint basin]

you said he was okay for pull requests, i think it means you can make the actual PR

[ember lance]

poolrooms update might have to come a bit sooner than expected ig so no new tiles or anything :(

all the other improvements are still here though

new water shader more interactables and scrap spawn nodes etc

[unkempt kiln]

based

[quaint basin]

is it possible to rebalance rooms spawn, like, I only had locker rooms in my gameplays, alsmost never actual pool rooms

[ember lance]

the locker rooms always generate next to main

you have to explore more

[quaint basin]

yeah but why are there so many of them

[ember lance]

are there?

ig ill do tests l8r

it looked fine to me when i was doing dungen previews

[quaint basin]

I had feet-pools you know, but I never saw pools

[ember lance]

oh

well

[unkempt kiln]

I almost never see locker rooms haha

[ember lance]

you're talking about the actual indoor pool

only one or two generate iirc

[quaint basin]

that's whyyyy

[ember lance]

speaking of which i wanna add a chance of a water volume spawning there

[quaint basin]

yeah it's harder to find them when the moon spawns gigantic dungeons

[ember lance]

lol

[quaint basin]

that'd be both funny and harder to play in

[fervent wave]

Wait does the poolrooms not do that already?

Like every other LLL thing in existence?

How would it get in the game otherwise?

[quaint basin]

Well apparently not, since this update broke so many interiors

[ember lance]

no

fred has code to manually load his assetbundle stuff

i imagine thats why its broken

if you go download poolrooms rn you'll notice the bundle is not a lethalbundle

[unkempt kiln]

im excited for the update

even with no new tiles for the first patch

[fervent wave]

Wow yeah that’s

Interesting honestly

[quick holly]

if it's because the interior is part of a manually-registered mod, then it'll work in the next LLL update

[ember lance]

ahhh okay good

[bitter vigil]

same

[keen oxide]

found this, dunno if preferable just linking incase
https://soi.itch.io/substance-designer-material-pack-1

[fervent wave]

Ooohh yeah i’m likin that green one there

[real spindle]

Green one is cool, would add some contrast to some areas.

I have heard that the mod is broken right now 😦 If I wasn't so time constrained I would fix it right away. Maybe this weekend I can take a look.

[quaint basin]

I love them three personally

[quaint basin]

No it works again, no worries, LLL was fixed by Batby

[bitter vigil]

it does?

I just installed the mod by itself and it didn't generate a config

nor is it in LLL

mod list as well
01948f8d-b488-eb85-aaae-d4fc07fd8fe6

[quaint basin]

Oh that's weird, there was a fix on LLL that should have fixed it

[unkempt kiln]

Poolrooms is a special case so it needs its own patch

Due to not using assetbundles

[bitter vigil]

what does that mean

for me

[unkempt kiln]

It means the problem is on the interior end

[bitter vigil]

like is it something in my control and it was fixed but I didn't install something or

[bitter vigil]

oh

okay

[unkempt kiln]

Someone is working on an update

[bitter vigil]

thats what I thought

[keen oxide]

youd just need to recompile with newest lll

no code changes

[real spindle]

I am working on an update right now with some changes I wanted to make anyway. Trying to get the interior water from the mineshafts to work but still isn't working ack! Once it works ill push out a new version.

[bitter vigil]

cool

[quaint basin]

Nice !

[ember lance]

yippee

[real spindle]

I got the water working and I am doing some other tweaks / checks before a release. Here are the current change notes:

* The Sauna room always has a light now and improved lighting
* Pool water added to main pool and fixed pool water in the bridges room
* Water in main pool room is sinkable / drownable and will hinder the players movement. Other knee high water areas will no longer hinder the players movement.
* Reduced dungeon generation path size which should improve loot distribution
* Reduced the number of bathrooms spawned
* Removed extra stalls in female bathroom for gameplay reasons
* Reduced package size by enabling crunch and ensuring textures stay at max 1024
* Assigned tiles tag to most ground surfaces and now allow tiles surfaces as a valid sinking surface```

Thanks to @ember lance for the hint about the texture compression. I didn't realize I needed to set settings manually. 🙂
I hope we can merge your other changes like the new entry music soon. 🙂

[ember lance]

yeahh

my cpu fried so im out of service atm lol

[real spindle]

I want to make the ball kickable as well. Basically soccer ball. Would people hate this?

Sorry to hear about the CPU

[ember lance]

I think that would be cool

if you could somehow make it lighter too lol

like kick further maybe

or actually i suppose it would kick shorter?

[real spindle]

oh maybe. Will look at the settings. I suspect it isn't a real physical thing and just zeekerz fake physics

[ember lance]

yeah

it like teleports and then interpolates im pretty sure

[bitter vigil]

if you havent already you should replace the toilets with the vanilla one

since I presume this is separate from what dopa did

[keen oxide]

Just a heads up incase you haven't checked, With the post-processing and resolution crunching LC uses textures set at 512 actually look super fine a majority of the time. I know a few authors have done 512 as a baseline then raised in the event they notice in particular texture looking rough. No stress if your happy with the current results though

and crunch compression 😄

[real spindle]

Well the bundle is 35mb now down from like 100

IDK. I could make them even smaller if we are all having full harddrive problems 😉

[real spindle]

hmm, yea I makes sense

[keen oxide]

we love to see it

that's more than acceptable but i am curious what lowering to 512 + crunch compression if you haven't done that yet would decrease it to

[real spindle]

24mb

[real spindle]

OK, here are the latest. I am close to pushing this out:

* Bathroom toilets are now the same as the ship toilets and are also flushable like the ship toilets
* The pool ball is now kickable```

I gave the pool ball a different kick curve, more of a lofty curve which holds in the air a bit

[ember lance]

fred ur so awesome 4 this update

[real spindle]

I am trying to think up some cool additions for the level beyond this update. My momentum has returned to a decent degree. 🙂

[ancient bay]

Whats happening with dopadreams stuff? Is that getting merged in?

Or was it just added actually

[real spindle]

I would like her to create a pull request when she can so she can be credited on github as a contributor.

Pool Rooms v0.1.23

0.1.23 has been pushed out the door

[golden ruin]

PagChomp

[ember lance]

yaa i still had some cool stuff like the new water that i wanted to add. i have to rma my cpu though so i prolly wont have a computer all week xd

and the stinger ofc

forgot abt that

[bitter vigil]

do the orange pool rooms generate and if so where?

[real spindle]

No they don't. That screenshot is from an older build before I switched to a blue look.

[ancient bay]

Hm. Chances for different coloured pool rooms could be a nice way to spice it up a lil. Either random, or using moon tags or something

[bitter vigil]

Moon tags would be cool

[quaint basin]

True

[bleak panther]

@real spindle Could you add support for mimics on the pool rooms interior? Thanks. https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/x753/Mimics/

[real spindle]

I could try. I suspect it just finds end caps with the fire escape global ID and places the fake fire escape. Since pool rooms uses a couple different variations for different wall types and doesn't have a hole on those end caps it doesn't work all that great by default. I will try the mod out and see what it is trying to do.

[bitter vigil]

I almost slipped but this wet floor sign saved me

[daring horizon]

Stay safe out there

[bitter vigil]

thanks

[ember lance]

Good luck out there

[daring horizon]

Sebastian Solace..,

[ember lance]

@real spindle I made a pull request containing some of the changes I made a bit ago

[ember lance]

welp i cant get fred to respond, tried dming, i might've missed my chance xP

hopefully he checks back sometime

[slender basin]

Oug that kinda sucks

have you tried Emailing him?

[bitter vigil]

I hope so as well

[slender basin]

bro is praying on dopa's downfall

[bitter vigil]

I am

I didn't accidently reply to the wrong message

[slender basin]

we should kill dopa

with rocks

[bitter vigil]

sure!

[remote summit]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[ancient bay]

Seems that the Pool Ball from this mod...doesn't have a scan node?

[slender basin]

the ball you mean?

if so it's probably because it's a reskin of the football from vanilla which also doesn't have a scannode... for some reason

[ancient bay]

Yeah thats what i meant

oh, interesting

[rigid anvil]

hands down my alltime favorite interior.

[sleek cobalt]

Is the water in the shallow hallway parts supposed to slow you down? I feel like it did at one point but didn't really seem to when I went through earlier. I think the full pool did though, which is why I'm a bit puzzled.

[real spindle]

No it isn't, it is just for looks and splashing. It was slowing the player down at one point but most people hated it so I got rid of it. The full pool acts like the usual water in game.

[real spindle]

Sorry about that, it is on my radar to merge and check things are working correctly for V70.

[sleek cobalt]

Got it, ok. I must’ve been remembering the time that it did

[spiral osprey]

Can we have a orange pool room area

[unkempt kiln]

@real spindle just a heads up, v80 is in beta and will be main ver in the near future, and all interiors need a recomp bc of dungen changes

[real spindle]

I hear the call, I will look into getting a new version out for v80

[teal pond]

WOOOOOO HELL YA

[bitter vigil]

Wahoo

[unkempt kiln]

nice