Dantor's Mental Hospital [1.2.2]

[kindred barn]

ty

[dusky mica]

You're welcome

[kindred barn]

What is the name of the mod - which skips all cutscenes and immediately starts the game, for developers what was it called

[shell oxide]

Does the Animation Compatibility mode work with Badass Company?

[kindred barn]

please advise

[kindred barn]

Maybe yes

[shell oxide]

either GeneralImprovements (except this has like 50 other features as well) or IntroTweaks

[tribal zealot]

dont recommend turning it on though

[kindred barn]

But does it immediately launch - select a host and automatically start the game?

There is some mod, but I forgot the name

[shell oxide]

IntroTweaks just skips the initial main menu where you select online or lan

[kindred barn]

This I know

[shell oxide]

GeneralImprovements you can skip that menu and the intro song that plays on the first day

Idk of any that instantly start the game

[kindred barn]

no no

I need

So that the game starts immediately

so that I can get into the world

without unnecessary inclusions

everything you listed

I know it

[shell oxide]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/qwbarch/AutoStart/

This amybe?

[kindred barn]

I'm saying that there is a mod for developers - where it immediately throws you into the game

[shell oxide]

maybe*

[kindred barn]

Yes

this is it

Thank you

[shell oxide]

Np

[peak scaffold]

skipping the intros might skip some loading of mods tho, it's to be used with caution

[kindred barn]

Fine

[pallid fog]

Mods for Quick Game Launch

DevelopmentStartup: (uses LC FastStartup)
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/CTNOriginals/DevelopmentStartup/

LC Symphony:
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/alexanderjoe/LC_Symphony/

IntroTweaks: (unstable & fps drop)
~~https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Owen3H/IntroTweaks/~~

Here are 3 mods that allows you to skip the startup game launch screens. All 3 are customizable in their different ways.

I recommend strongly the first one, DevelopmentStartup. The LC modding wiki recommends it as well, as that’s where I found the mod.

Hope this helps!

[shrewd seal]

introtweaks was lagging my game good i think

[pallid fog]

YEah i thinm ill remove it, its been getting worse for me too

[shrewd seal]

i dont know what else it was doing, but when I removed it, my fps seemed more stable

[pallid fog]

I like how it changes the footer version note

I messed with my friend with that

but i doubt thats what makes it slow down performance

[kindred barn]

I'm tired

There is some problem in the seeds during generation

Sometimes everything is great, sometimes everything is terrible.

[tacit cape]

not sure if this has been reported yet since discord search sucks, but standing directly against this door causes the Open door prompt to disappear:

going from a hallway to a room with 6 bathtubs specifically

the assets for this interior are pretty sick though I gotta say

lots of visible LOD pop though

[kindred barn]

Why? 🥺

[tacit cape]

lol it's a compliment, slang

@dry rose I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have the small doorways use different door sockets to the hallway connections? I assume that would require duplicating some hallway tiles to have end connections for rooms or something

the reason I ask is, the portals CullFactory creates seem to be much larger than they need to be when connecting into a room, so it's rendering a lot of the map when it doesn't need to

this is something I've been meaning to ask other authors as well

as an alternative to using door socket sizes, I was thinking that perhaps I should make a separate component that can be attached to each doorway on a tile and provide a precise size for the section that doesn't occlude the next tile

[dry rose]

Yeah I gotta work on it

[dry rose]

I'm not sure if I follow you, which size do you need the doorways to be?

[tacit cape]

here for example

on the one side, you can only see a small portion of the portal through the doorway

on the other side, I can see that the actual portal size extends to the edge of the hallway geometry

that means that it considers anything through that wall the doorway sits in as visible, despite the fact that it's actually occluded

[dry rose]

So, you want the doorways as the size of the left picture, right?

[tacit cape]

right, the portal should be just large enough that it encompasses that doorway's opening

but I wondered if the reason you did it this way is because the hallways also use those door sockets to connect to each other without a doorframe blocking the view?

for example, this connection here off the main room:

I assume this uses the same door socket as the small doorways?

[dry rose]

Yeah, basically there is a chance that instead of the open corridor a wall with door appears so it's all the same doorway size. I can make the doorway small but then if an open corridor spawns it will be culled more than it should or I let it as it is and the portal is bigger than needed

[tacit cape]

you should leave it as the big socket size

I might have to talk to Batby about if it's possible to make something smarter for situations like that

it's an issue on other interiors too

vanilla doesn't do it that way though which is why I thought it would be fine

there's always a doorway-hallway connecting tile before you enter tunnels in factory and similar transition tiles in mansion

[dry rose]

Hmm interesting, I didnt notice that

[tacit cape]

I definitely don't want to limit mods to only doing that though, I'll see if Batby can think of something good to work around this

unfortunately I don't think it's something that CullFactory can work out by itself

[mint schooner]

@dawn musk this Is fire

[rigid ravine]

i don't know if this had already been asked, but i have an issue with this interior where the map is insanely large and only 2 objects spawned in the whole thing. Is there a solution?

[dry rose]

You can manually reduce it's size using the config (FundationLenghtOverride) or a mod config like Lethal Level Loader, I'm also trying to come with a native solution on my own. On my internal build I have reduced the size around Rend's dimensions and it feels pretty nice on Rend, Dine and Titan. On smaller moons it probably still suffers (not as much as now) and on bigger maps it's maybe too overcrowded with items

[rigid ravine]

ok thanks. if i want it to be good for experimentation for example, would 4 for example be a good lenght override? But if i do that it will be too small for other moons right?

[tropic lodge]

if i use this will it automatically adjust to planets that have different sizes (e.g. experimentation and titan will not be the same size)

[rigid ravine]

if it adjusts to the planet, then whats the purpose of foundationlenghtoverride? Is it like a multiplier ?

[tropic lodge]

i don't know. that's my question

[gilded herald]

is this the mental asylum from phasmophobia

[mint schooner]

guys on which moon do you have setted this interior spawn rate?

[gaunt spindle]

the ceiling seems to be made out of individual squares instead of a full square per room
same with walls
the interior also renders a bit oddly, for all other interiors, all the walls only have a texture on the inside. this does not apply to the hospital. some walls/floors/roofs/whatever also don't seem to be trimmed to only what you can see, which is rather unoptimized

[mint schooner]

Thanks

[gaunt spindle]

while on the interior, lc's cpu usage shoots up to 30% and memory usage up to 4,350 mb

sucks because i really like this interior, guess i just have to wait till it's more optimized

[spiral leaf]

ill just deal with it

cool asf interior

optimization would be appreciated tho

[gaunt spindle]

my brother in christ your computer will die

[tropic lodge]

30% cpu and 4gb of ram is really not that much

[spiral leaf]

wahoo

[gaunt spindle]

alone on a pretty good computer, it definitely is

[tropic lodge]

most modern games will easily use that and more. on a pretty good computer it's even less of an issue. you're not supposed to be running lethal company 24/7, anyway

it's not a bad thing to have your resources used like that. it's literally what they're there for

[dry rose]

A bit dramatic aren't we? x)

It works fine on my average to low tier computer. There are some issues with other mods that are causing FPS drops, and I won't deny that the models/textures need a lot of work, but it's fine for the average gamer. Maybe if you are expecting 250 fps yes, that won't be achievable right now but it never dropped from 60 fps to me

[gaunt spindle]

eh

i get to exaggerate a little

[dry rose]

No he is right that the way I'm using walls/floor sucks, I will try to work on it

[tropic lodge]

i have a slightly below-average pc and i was able to play this interior fine with LCVR which essentially doubles the load

[dry rose]

Actually it seems like since I'm using LLL to load the dungeon that option doesn't work at all so 💀 My bad I guess

[tropic lodge]

i hate LLL's config 🫠 thanks for the info

i have no idea if this will have the desired effect

since you're here can you explain batby 🥺

[glass yew]

what am i explaining

[tropic lodge]

will this make the dungeon smaller than it usually is

[glass yew]

uhh idk when dantors config stuff applies

what you have set their would make it smaller than what it usually is yes

[dry rose]

I'm basically copying SCP's code for now so it should be the same

[glass yew]

I don't know when that is either tbh lmaoo

i think it comes before mine

[dry rose]

Hahah yes, it does

Honest question, I need your opinion, @glass yew . Would be a good idea to enforce the dynamic clamping size on my side instead of letting users to figure out a way to appropiate reducing the dungeon size for the time being?

The thing is I have a travel tomorrow and I will be away for a whole week so I won't be able to implement a good solution until I come back, but the dungeon is definitely too big even on Titan. After testing I noticed that a 1.15~ size (similar to Rend) works well for late moons like Titan, but that is still way too big for Vow and below.

Ideally I would like it to be 0.5-0.7~ on Assurance,Vow,Offense,March and 1.15~ onwards but I don't think I can do that easily

[glass yew]

yeah

the config default values will be the ones you set yourself btw

don't know the best way to approach a dynamic size to that amount but you can enforce a clamp on how big it can be in general

[tropic lodge]

one more thing i forgot to mention from last night: doors seem to be a little delayed whenever you open them, for some reason

you can also collide with them after they're opened

[dry rose]

Yeah that's something I dont really know why happens but I will investigate

[dry rose]

Do you mean they have collision during the opening animation, right?

[twin ibex]

Same happened to me

[hard vale]

How big is the map

[dry rose]

Too big, I'm working on it

[hard vale]

Ok

[tropic lodge]

yes thats what i mean

[dry rose]

🫡 Noted

[gilded vigil]

just had this interior on titan with no loot

ship scan said around 900 worth of loot was even on the planet

but none to be found inside

looks beautiful though great work

[dry rose]

Loot is definitely there but the interior is just too big so it's difficult to find, I'm capping the size soon tho

[gilded vigil]

oh okay

[eternal crystal]

Computer is pretty decent and yet I cap at 50-ish fps when my buds are capping at 20-30. Thas how we know its the hospital when we land on a moon. I'm just wondering what's causing the heavy load. Long/big interiors? Will use search function to see if it's been said already.)

[dry rose]

Combo of big interior and unoptimized assets, will be worked on ☺️

[proven sail]

I think maybe less objects on the ground

Also a wheelchair scrap item would make sense

[sudden ibex]

imagine people can sit on it

ill play music and run around while my friend is on the wheelchair

https://tenor.com/view/ryosuke-takumi-ae86-fc3s-initial-d-gif-25685547

[vital flax]

Helllooo, I was in Budapest Moon, and had your hospital on it was actually so beautiful. That aside, when I fell off, it immedieately crashed everyone's games.

Im unsure if its related to the fact i was in budapest

[kindred barn]

We need logs and some kind of report

[vital flax]

ah shit, fuck i forgot

sorry

[kindred barn]

Try to play this situation again, maybe the problem was only with that seed, but not with others

Who knows

[vital flax]

if it happens again i'll remember my fault

i'll try to recreat

[proven sail]

Did everyone else also have Hospital?

[dry rose]

UPDATE 1.0.3
-Drastically reduced dungeon sized and locked it between x1 and x1.25 (Rend's size)
This change will help making loot less sparced and should feel better specially on Rend, Dine and Titan. Smaller moons may need more tweaking.
-Potential fix to an issue with the Inverse Teleporter and LethalThing's traps which teleported played outside the interior bounds
-Removed collision on doors while they are being open
-Improved doors animation
-Added a potential fix to cases on which scrap wasn't generating as it should
-Removed deprecated config option. Consider deleting the config file so a new one gets generated on next game startup

(Note: I will be away until the 21th, I will read you guys but won't be able to make any changes until that day, have fun!)
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Dantor/Dantors_Mental_Hospital/

[proven sail]

Fuck yea

[dry rose]

Dantor's Mental Hospital [1.0.3]

[rigid ravine]

Do we have to delete the current config file in order to get the update ?

[slow parcel]

Where are you going? Vacation? 👀 if so, have fun.

Masa's planning to possibly write up the enemy ideas too. Do you perhaps want the ideas DMed to you (along with the two hazards)?

[slow parcel]

Think you will get the new .cfg file only if the old one is gone

[rigid ravine]

Ok thanks

[kindred barn]

Is this generation recommended for Dine, Rend, Titan?

Could there be problems on other vanilla planets?

Due to the size and amount of loot

[wooden loom]

I use it on rend and dine

There are no issues it's just like any other interior mod

[slow parcel]

Yeah they'd work nicely

Titan tbh is just Masa's moon where every interior spawns tho

[kindred barn]

Then I'll install them

[slow parcel]

Its a cool interior 👌

[dry rose]

Its not mandatory. Its just to remove the unused Lenght Override. I will work on the config more once I'm back

[dry rose]

Yup, thank you!!

And sure, feel free to DM

[slow parcel]

Will do after some nice breakfast! ^^

[dry rose]

On smaller moons the loot may feel too little, on Rend, Dine and specially Titan it should feel way better

[kindred barn]

Wonderful

[spiral leaf]

goat

how did you adjust the brightness in the interior? It seems a little bright

[tropic lodge]

agreed

[dry rose]

I just didnt adjust it. I need to learn how to do it

[kindred barn]

I optimized everything

I found a couple of mods that really eat up performance.

now I'm happy ^^

The Hospital map is just fire, we’ve already had time to run around, thanks for the work!

[floral locust]

what mods were they?

[tawdry schooner]

Thanks for the update! Will try later today.
Do you know whether the LLL config can be used to fine tune size with the latest update? With other interiors it works quite well with the scalar. For potentially large interiors I usually set max size to 1 and scalar to something like 0.1-0.5. So it will still scale with moon size multiplicator.

[kindred barn]

with problems?

[lost snow]

I think he meant the performance eating mods

[kindred barn]

Got it, I’ll write a couple now

These are the only ones I've had performance issues with so far.

Late_Game + Lethal Things eat a small part, but not that much

[floral locust]

cheers man, was just curious if I had any currently and it will help me avoid them in the futute

[warm python]

ima remove lgu

[kindred barn]

but it has cool contracts(

and cart 🥺

I left it in my build

[warm python]

immersive carts adds a cart

i also have AC too

[kindred barn]

But I still like Late Game

He can resurrect allies for a fee xd

[void kiln]

I also notice a huge performance improvement without the TooManyEmotes, surprisingly that one takes more than BadassCompany (LethalEmotesAPI) which has sounds and everything

[proven sail]

Snareflea hanging out of bounds

[safe locust]

Man’s living his best life

[cosmic rock]

but

that's good

xd

[proven sail]

No

It's not

It killed me

[carmine haven]

Somehow need to get a monster into a big leather office chair in the office tile so when you open the door the chair swivels around and there’s a hoarding bug / bracken / masked / snare flea sitting there like ‘Good day.’

[cosmic rock]

LMAO

[cosmic rock]

then it isn't

good

[safe locust]

Based snaredflea

[slow parcel]

The Snare fleas are getting smarter

[icy prairie]

hording bug swivels around to see you

"yippie!"

[carmine haven]

exactly

[icy prairie]

cool interior. but runs at like 40 FPS for me, everyone else have issues with it's optimization?

[gloomy vortex]

I think so

Because the fps has been worse on all interiors since i added it. Idk how that makes sense

[icy prairie]

The assets probably need optimizing

[dusky mica]

The interior shouldn't halm your performance that much if any if it's not loaded 😛

[gloomy vortex]

It definitely could harm performance. LC Office is a very good example for this. Idk if Mental Hospital is the same. I’ll have to test tomorrow.

Lc office affects performance even if it’s not loaded

[dusky mica]

LC Office is a different example as it ran off a API that was constantly running in the background with an AI constantly trying to be injected, then the serializer on top.

No other interior is that intrusive.

[gloomy vortex]

Aight makes sense

I’ll see tomorrow what’s causing that

Updating mods is a nightmare. Maybe this happened because of an update of some mod

The fps is like 20-50 less than before

[icy prairie]

I've never noticed lc office dropping frames

[eternal crystal]

I think I recall the 🦐 would cause huge frames if met on the Office map. I've had no problems on other interiors tho. But also haven't encountered the fps issue either 🤷 I think it's fixed now

[warm python]

has anyone figuired out the lag issue, still running at low framerate on certain maps

like titan

I do have like 90 other mods

[warm python]

btw backrooms did not fix the lag issue

[dusky mica]

:/

[warm python]

maybe its LC office?

might try that later

[dusky mica]

There have been reports ;P

But I think that's to do with Shrimpy

[warm python]

yea but this lag is different, like on titan it runs pretty bad, like 40-60 fps, which normally my pc on mods should run 80-110

[dusky mica]

Yeah something deffo tanking your frames

[warm python]

can i send you my mod code, and if u have time, could you look over it?

[dusky mica]

You can just show list, don't have to send me your pack 😛

[warm python]

alr

bet

I can send it in a google docs so its easier to rad

read

[dusky mica]

Remove Immediately Or Ditch AdvancedCompany‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

• Better_Lobbies‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• FlipMods-ReservedItemSlotCore-1.8.17‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• FlipMods-ReservedFlashlightSlot-1.6.3‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• FlipMods-ReservedWalkieSlot-1.6.2‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• Renegades-FlashlightToggle-1.5.0‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• Toskan4134-LethalRegeneration-1.2.0‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• Renegades-WalkieUse-1.5.0‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• FlipMods-BetterStamina-1.3.2‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
• alexanderjoe-BiggeryBattery-1.0.2 ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

First Test Disable

• Ozone-Runtime_Netcode_Patcher-0.2.5‼️
• Dot_Matrix-MatrixTermExtensions-1.1.2‼️
• Pinta-PintoBoy-1.0.4‼️
• PXC-EnhancedSpectator-1.0.5‼️
• AllToasters-SpectateEnemies-2.3.1‼️‼️
• NomnomAB-RollingGiant-2.5.1‼️
• TwinDimensionalProductions-CoilHeadStare-1.0.6
• Suskitech-AlwaysHearActiveWalkies-1.4.4‼️‼️
• veri-ShipWindows-1.1.2
• Bobbie-NAudio-2.2.2‼️
• Bobbie-UniTask-2.5.0‼️
• qwbarch-BarchLib-1.0.0‼️
• qwbarch-Mirage-1.0.13‼️
• Lordfirespeed-OdinSerializer-2022.11.9‼️‼️
• Piggy-LC_Office-1.0.3‼️‼️
• POKA-DeGhostify-1.0.0‼️‼️
• FutureSavior-Hold_Scan_Button-1.1.1
• xilophor-LethalNetworkAPI-2.1.6‼️ ‼️

2nd Test with these also disabled.

• Pooble-LCBetterSaves-1.7.3
• ATK-ShipClock-0.9.0
• TheDeadSnake-Touchscreen-1.0.10
• Solar32-PerformanceEnhancer-1.3.6
• PostMortem-BetterLightning-1.0.3

Zaggy1024-PathfindingLagFix-1.2.1 **KEEP **

Decide what AI tools you want to use.

• TheFluff-FairAI-1.3.2 <---- :S‼️‼️‼️
• Danninx-ProwlerBracken-1.0.2
• IntegrityChaos-Diversity-1.1.10 (I'm currently using 1.1.6 and seems stable, I am only using for Darkness).

@warm python Hope this helps. Nothing against the makers of these mods, just some things don't work well with other things so you got to make decisions on what you want to use.

[vocal kestrel]

what is this

[untold blade]

what does this mean

[dusky mica]

Assitance 😛 and what you mean @digital dawn ?

[untold blade]

oh rip I thought this was general lol not mod releases

[digital dawn]

uh

i think you @ the wrong Nuclear lol

[dusky mica]

Sorry :<

[warm python]

sorry I was busy, bur rhank for for the extensive list tho, will check it out later, and start applying tomorrow. Also do i need to remove those mods fro AC, cause I diable ACs perks system to stamina, and I like the reserve slots, and they work fine from what I have seen.

also whats wrong with rpowsler bracken? can I not use all 3

but again ty for the list

and im assuming the double Bang bangs are more important

[broken stone]

you made me think ac got hacked or has a virus lol

[warm python]

removing office def helped, but I think there might be another mod so Ima keep testing

I also realized I kept titan at 1.0

it at its default 2.35 is still bad

[robust quail]

I have 4k monitor and rtx 2060 and I didnt Notice lag

[warm python]

ok this is weird, when titan was ecplised, at 1.0 it was more laggy than titan at 2.35 no weather

also this spams too

2.35 size multiplier for each moon on AC seems to be the sweet spot!

now ima hit the hay, will do some more testing for optimizations from ur list, once again ty for all the help 😄

[dawn musk]

AdvancedCompany and ReservedItemSlot aren't even compatible I think?

Also AdvancedCompany has a massive amount of features, so it lagging the game is kind of a given

If you're willing to remove everything it adds then that's fine

[dawn musk]

You should also add GeneralImprovements and look through all of its options, you can probably replace 5 mods at least with the features it has

[warm python]

generalimprovemtns actually lags my game more

[vocal kestrel]

👀

how?

[warm python]

idk

[drowsy meadow]

in an ocean of custom exteriors, you bring us an interior. I salute you

[storm geyser]

they are, but visually interacts weirdly

[spiral leaf]

This happens to me too

Every interior runs perfectly fine BESIDES this one

Hospital specifically tanks my fps by like 20frames so from 60 to around 40

[sudden ibex]

yeah they did say they need to thinker with it more

i think this one has a large size and a lot of stuff in it like a lot of furnitures and such

in a sense there is a lot to load

[spiral leaf]

So i can reduce lag by just reducing the dungeon size?

[vagrant tendon]

What's wrong with LethalRegeneration and AC together?

[dusky mica]

LMAO xD

[dusky mica]

Looks like LaserControl doing some fun

[dusky mica]

When I last tried it, it interfered with values updating properly. Might be different now, I haven't tried it in like a months worth of updates so I don't know any different 😛

[short thistle]

"Bug" I found is that the bracken can't see/ detect you seeing it from inside of the glass rooms

Saw it sneaking up on me while looting inside of one of those

[dry rose]

Thats a funny one x)
I will fix it on the next update, please respect bracken's privacy

[proven sail]

No maybe keep that

Let's say he uh

Uses uh
Infrared

[latent coyote]

If I'm experiencing a really low scrap density inside the facility, is that because the interior is too large? I've set the interior multiplier size all the way down to 0.01 in LLL config settings and it was still kinda scarce so wasn't sure if that is the problem

[dusky mica]

Only main things I found, the lighting on the pillows etc is every time but the tiles connection and decal position seems more of a fair occurrence.

Main thing is though is prop lods, should at least be similar distance to the rooms they are in but seems they have incredibly short distance.

[dry rose]

Which moon was it? On the first moons the map is indeed too big still

[dry rose]

Yep, I gotta do a deep pass on prop LODs once I'm back.

[latent coyote]

It was both Titan and Triskelion (modded one.) Titan was a little better with that low of a multiplier (Triskelion was almost barren), but also still pretty bad compared to what the planet usually gives

[dry rose]

Do you happen to know which map multiplier and scrap amount uses Triskelion?

[latent coyote]

Not sure the multiplier but it spawns 16-21 scrap

[dusky mica]

No vanilla map has this range. Dine and Offense could fit this range sort of but then still their dungen is smallish 😛

Which is why I have the interior chance for this set lower on moons with bigger gen/low scrap count.

[warm python]

i realized removing office mod helped a lot

[formal sluice]

Hello, @warm python, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[dusky mica]

Office,Odin Serialiser and NetworkAPI is shredding most peoples fps 😛 I always try to inform people of this D:

[dry rose]

Mhm less scrap than Rend thats sadly expected, I need to figure out a good way to scale down the map based on the amount of scrap

[warm python]

yep, will remove those 3 probaably, just gotta check what mods need network api

im pretty masked ai beta revamp, but i might sadly remove the mod

getting kinda buggy and still is laggy

[dusky mica]

Just use maskedoverhaulfork until peggy solves their revamp

[dry rose]

Yeah on Office's thread there is usually people commenting their fps goes down even if the office didnt spawn. Still, I need to work on my side to improve performance. I dont want people removing any mod to be able to play mine

[warm python]

yea it sucks interior is cool

but just cant deal with the lag

[warm python]

yea interior drops like 10-20 fps, espercially bad for me in thr main enterance

it depends on the area

but im still always above 60, with a 6 year old gpu

on this map

[warm python]

masked enemy overhaul doesent change there AI i beleive, maskedai revamp is a different mod, that makes them players

[dusky mica]

I know 😛

But better than nothing until peggy can solve some of the issues - more concerning with v50 hitting us soon too.

[warm python]

honestly, i dont want v50

happy with my mods

adding so much more than v50

[dusky mica]

I mean, it's closer to an actual release. It needs to happen.

[warm python]

no

[dusky mica]

If the game doesn't get to a released state you're looking at more frequent updates, especially within modding scene 😛

[warm python]

true, also it will lose more of its playerbase, gotta keep updating. I just hope it adds enough stuff for me to be happy with it for a week or 2, then most mods will be updated to v50

[dusky mica]

Most active mods should be updated for v50 within first day or two as long as nothing major changes.

[inner fiber]

is it possible that even if i dont get this interior, it is lagging my game in general on seeds that arent using this interior

[dusky mica]

No unless something is referencing it actively.

Example would be Office, MoreInterior could be example if the assets were used outside of the interior itself. Scrap don't really count for this.

[warm python]

also why do I need to removve the stuff for the AC section

btw thank you or the tips, my modpack runs way smoother now

[dusky mica]

Because AC already has these features or has similar function to what they do. And you're very welcome @warm python 😄

[warm python]

I did disable some stuff from AC, btw AC does work with reserved slots, just a little glitchy

also wdym by
"
Zaggy1024-PathfindingLagFix-1.2.1 KEEP

Decide what AI tools you want to use.

TheFluff-FairAI-1.3.2 <---- :S‼️‼️‼️
Danninx-ProwlerBracken-1.0.2
IntegrityChaos-Diversity-1.1.10 (I'm currently using 1.1.6 and seems stable, I am only using for Darkness)."

can I only use 1?

[warm python]

also ty once again, my load times heavily improved

[peak scaffold]

#1201271207052443772 message
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Does the interior have invisible walls or something?

[dry rose]

Maybe there are some issues with the ceiling still. Im not familiar with that monster, what does it do?

[peak scaffold]

Bascially wanders around and if it sees you, you're being chased to death and it can even kick in doors

Second link I posted is linked to my picture which shows it getting stuck at a vent - I guess it tried to spawn but got stuck in a wall (?)

considering you can only see half of the vent

[alpine wraith]

it basically hides on the ceiling like a snare flea

hes asking if theres an invisible wall there that either can latch onto

[gray bolt]

Perhaps it’s hard coded to only latch up a certain distance? Shouldn’t be like that though

[dry rose]

Nah i dont think so

Someone showed me a bugged snare flea after last update so maybe there is a misplacement with the ceiling collisions

[gray bolt]

It might be something to do with the floor, who knows

[dry rose]

And yeah some vents are misplaced

[gray bolt]

Friend probably borrows/is based on the method from the flea

[dry rose]

Nah, floor should be fine. Last update I touched the ceiling to fix the trap teleporter from lethal things, so I bet I did something that bugs snarefleas/fiends a bit

[peak scaffold]

TheFiend dev has a channel on dc here too, maybe interchange a bit to find out whats bugging

[dusky mica]

@dry rose Funnily enough talking about Fiend, when you back maybe can you look into it. He's getting stuck on the doors also

[dry rose]

Damn. He must have a chonky hitbox 😳

[dusky mica]

https://tenor.com/view/motomoto-gif-24380022

[eternal crystal]

He has a feature that makes him break the doors down. Might be buggin out if he rages breaking doors he can't break?

[sudden ibex]

btw does having CoomfyMoons break fps?

kinda have it and all the interiors kinda end up being too large

i get lost inside

[dry rose]

CoomfyDungeon you mean? I use it and I didnt notice any performance lost but I guess it depends on your setup. I play at 60fps always

[sudden ibex]

it because of how large of stuff i have now. i can now start feeling the fps drop ahah

[dry rose]

Someone with the mod should try but my doors are basically the same as the originals so it shouldnt be an issue

[sudden ibex]

im using an old pc so im experiencing the lag now

1660ti + r7 4k series

i added a ton of stuff and now i feel the fps on moons itself

ship no issue tho

the moment i go to the moon. i feel the change

[shell oxide]

I'm getting really poor fps when this interior gets selected. Is this a known issue?

Also there's practically no scrap

[dry rose]

Yep, once I come back I will work on that

[dry rose]

Experimentation?

[shell oxide]

Yea

[shell oxide]

Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure it was known

[dry rose]

The amount of scrap is normal, the interior is just too big and makes it hard to find the scrap. On Titan works best

[shell oxide]

Is there any way to improve that without making it overloaded with scrap on other interiors?

[dry rose]

Hmm with some mods like Advanced Company you can change the size of specific moons to your liking, problem would be if you have other interiors for that specific moon. I will try to come with a solution so the size reduction only happens if the hospital spawns but I dont know how easy/hard will be to implement

[tacit cape]

this feels like it's probably related to your post here #1189848033110798346 message

[shell oxide]

I do have advanced company so I can mess with the settings for a bit and try to get a good size

[sudden ibex]

i removed Coomfy Dungeons and now my fps is kind fine

[dusky mica]

Totally forgot to mention this earlier too @dry rose @weight gets read as part of moon name?

[sudden ibex]

seems like it

other ones use Vow:100 or something

[carmine haven]

setting all and 100 but then also comma separating specific moons will let you tune specific moons above 100 yeah?

[dry rose]

Uh, didnt know about that one. Does it register for those moons properly tho?

[dry rose]

You cannot use predefined tags like "all" or "vanilla" and then add specific moons. Its either a predefined tag or you add a personal list with weights

[dusky mica]

No just registering the regular hospitalrarity

[dry rose]

Okay, noted

[trail rampart]

can you add am option to disable the custom fire exits?

so it can be compatible with the mimic mod

[short thistle]

fire exit fr generated inside of the main entrance room

is this type of thing possible with like the mansion inteiror as well or is it just an oversight/ possible thing with the hospital interior

[dry rose]

As far as I know no custom interior is compatible with the mimic doors

[trail rampart]

they recently added an update that allows you to choose what interiors they can appear on

and thus allowing for custom interior compatibility

exept for ones with unique fire exit doors

they are just the default ones there

[dry rose]

Well I also saw exit doors next to the main entrance on the default interior. It happens more on small maps. I can tweak it a bit so it less prone to happen but chances are going to still be there

[dry rose]

I see

[trail rampart]

so it would be nice for you to add an option to disable the unique fire exit doors

so mimics don't stand out like an elephant in the room

[eternal crystal]

I haven't tried yet, but does the spray paint work on these walls?

Will try real soon

[dry rose]

Should work!!

[short thistle]

spray paint dose indeed work

[eternal crystal]

hmmmmm. I think SCPFoundation had this issue to and they fixed it. It's wierd is all. Maybe mod conflict?

[short thistle]

oh

maybe it was pool rooms which had its spray paint work

[eternal crystal]

I'll try out poolrooms when I find it.

[dry rose]

Try on a big plain wall. I think I know why is not working on those

I think I fixed floors and normal walls but not doorframes and angled walls

[stoic berry]

what's wrong with Suskitech-AlwaysHearActiveWalkies-1.4.4? we've been using this for a long while and never really noticed anything wrong with it

[storm geyser]

i've had the same thing happen with different interiors, it's just a visual thing, idrk what you could do about it

[dusky mica]

Lower end systems it seems to effect, nothing wrong with it per say I am just helping with performance.

[sage tartan]

This is to do with a detail layer, there's a checkbox somewhere for it, Knibbs or Major know where it is

[dry rose]

Yeah I know it. The thing is my walls are made of many different pieces and I forgot to add the layer on some specific pieces

[eternal crystal]

I will say this interior has brought genuine fear into my friends. Especially when on Atlas Abyss it makes it quite uneasy. Overall it's a great one and hope there's more to come! Shyguy make it particularly even more creepy here.

[dry rose]

Thanks for your kind words ❤️ I love to hear you guys are liking it so far ^^

[tribal zealot]

what is this

[slow parcel]

Love this place

[dusky mica]

Helping someone with performance

[austere nest]

I like this interior a lot on Acidir. Reminds me of Sunny Meadows 🙂

[tropic lodge]

i think the jump tile should be made a bit more forgiving

it's hard as is on a keyboard, but it's even harder when you're playing in VR/with a controller

[dry rose]

🤔 I kinda like it as it is, I dont like making things too easy

[peak scaffold]

I'd make it just a tad wider. To make it hard but not very hard

feels too easy to slip off

[tropic lodge]

i think the main thing that makes it so hard is that the middle platform is horizontal. which means it's both hard to land on and hard to jump from

this is just my opinion but i feel like a jump does not really fit in this map, but if you insist on keeping it, i really hope you consider making it more forgiving or just redesign it completely

[tawdry schooner]

tbh my only gripe with it was that at first I always managed to hit some weird collision jumping from the middle platform which cancelled my sprint. Since then I avoid jumping from the very corner of it and it's fine I think

[dry rose]

Weird, there shouldnt be any collision there. Would be possible to record it?

[warm python]

game isnt intended for VR or controller

so if he make sit easier, it will make it easier for keyboard as well

whichw ill be to easy

[tawdry schooner]

Will try

[sour cargo]

have you guys found a good dungeon size for this?

[left raptor]

First Test Disable?

I just saw this

Should I just then remove all of those mods with the ❗ ?

[scarlet kettle]

what's everyone's config for this interior?

[placid haven]

why so many mods cannot work with AC?

and wts the meaning of ‼️? because i have shiploot shipwindow something like that and it looks fine

[left raptor]

ik, I am just confused on the exclamation sign quantity meaning and even how exaclty it breaks or conflicts with anything.

[gray bolt]

a lot of overrides that interfere with what some mods do

[hollow lynx]

AC doesn't override much. It depends on vanilla functions and for other mods to use those vanilla functions correctly.

[gray bolt]

yeah bad wording on my end.

[dusky mica]

@left raptor @placid haven I was helping someone with performance. Also the AC stuff was because AC has those features, ship loot was meant to be in the first test disable as they were using general improvements already.

[dusky mica]

AC only overrides if you ask it to.

[placid haven]

so do u mean those mod on the list will cause bug if we use it? because generalprovements doesnt have the actual fuction of shiploot, it only shows that on a screen

[dusky mica]

Please read, I said I was helping with performance.

[placid haven]

ic, i understand now

[dusky mica]

😄

[wise sparrow]

the mod is very laggy

with certain modded moons with alot of assets such as budapest is even crashes my game

[dry rose]

Thats the first thing I will work on once I come back. I hope I can make it less laggy without butchering too much stuff

[wise sparrow]

would hollowing out the models cut lag?

i dont really know how it works

[inner fiber]

what size should i set the dungeon to find scrap easier lmao

[dry rose]

||Me either|| I'm going to reduce the amount of triangles on the models and also remove unnecesary renders on walls and floors, if I'm capable of doing so

[dry rose]

Currently its at x1 to x1.25 . On Rend, Dine and Titan it should be okay. On smaller maps you can try reducing it to less than x1 if thats possible

[wise sparrow]

you should lower the default dungeon size in the config too

like 0.75

[ivory estuary]

This interior is VERY laggy, I believe one of the issues is the fact that every ceiling tile is entirely modeled instead of just using PBR

[tribal zealot]

I had to disable this interior for now because its so laggy. You can even tell what interior it is just by the FPS drop

Btw @dry rose one suggestion is to lower the light intensity on the main area when u enter. It seems too bright

Thats my opinion

[void kiln]

yupp it is by far the laggiest interior for me unfortunately too, looks forward to the optimization!

[dry rose]

The main entrance is very bright on purpose, I want to lower the light of rest of the rooms tho

[ivory estuary]

You should make the roof tiles a PBR instead of being fully modeled. I guaruntee that is the main cause of the lag

[solid bone]

is there any way to reduce the quality and size of the textures significantly? this interior is really laggy and my gpu memory is maxed out

[spiral leaf]

no

well i mean the developer can obviously

but nothing for the users to do

[solid bone]

that's kind of unfortunate

it's a good interior and design, but it's just so laggy

[robust quail]

Its not even laggy

U just dont have that good pc I guess

I have 2060 and 4k and no lag

[distant gale]

I've seen other people with really good PCs report lag, good for you that it doesn't cause you any but that's not the case for everyone

That aside: Does anyone know any good maps that look like abandoned hospitals/asylums and could work well for this interior?

[void kiln]

It's laggy when you have 80+ mods like I do, but the other interiors been performing okay

I have 2070S too

[sharp nymph]

We are on around 50 Mods, no cosmetics all just horror focused mods, also we have multiple performance mods and I was hitting around 70fps on a 4070 when I usually am sitting around 200fps, Although I'm guessing we might have had a really really big dungeon generation as it never seemed to end when I was exploring it lol

[sudden ibex]

Budafest fits this interior really

[hallow ridge]

this interior is nice but half my group experiences frame drops and scrap spawns on this map arent that good prob becuase of how big it is

[dry rose]

Thats my top 1 priority right now

[floral locust]

what is the main culprit for that do you think?

high poly models/high res textures?

[dry rose]

Both things. My textures are higher resolution than the base game ones and on top of that walls and floors are double sided, which is useful because floors for example are at the same time ceilings but on the other side its unnecessary on most cases so I have to remove one of the sides on most parts

And I can also reduce the poly count on many props

I also want to compress the textures but last time I tried to convert them to DXT1 there were weird color changes on the middle of the wall. If I can manage to compress them properly that would help too

[hallow ridge]

yeah tbh the high quality textures are nice but a little out of style

[warm python]

guys remove LC office

that helped with the lag

a lot

[tacit cape]

oh, floors being ceilings sounds like it might cause culling to delete the floor you're standing on

does that only cover up the gap jump room you have or something? I haven't noticed anything

[slow parcel]

tbh CullFactory probably is saving Masa's ass right now, because Masa has 204 mods and the hospital still doesnt lag

[inner fiber]

I wish I could say the same 😭

[dry rose]

It all depends on your usual fps. I noticed that pretty much everyone who has issues is because they usually play at 200+ fps and it goes down to 60-70 fps which you probably never noticed if you are already playing at 60fps like me

[slow parcel]

Oh right, people view 60FPS as lag

[dry rose]

I dont think so, I use them on every ceiling/floor . Hmmm basically my floors, walls and ceilings are like small "lego" pieces that I stick together to form a room. The issue is that since every piece has two sides its more performance intensive I guess. Not sure how cullingfactory deals with that but I never seen anyone saying they drop from the floor

[dry rose]

Yeah right? I'm on your boat too, but even if 60fps is totally fine for most people is true that I need to work on performance

[slow parcel]

Yuh ofc. Not saying more performance is better ofc :P Just never really viewed 60FPS as proper lag, but that's probably because Masa's used to having that in like, the 14 years Masa played games lol

[tacit cape]

oh, it wouldn't cause collision to be inactive, it just might cause walls or floors to be invisible if every room doesn't have walls, ceiling and floor covering every side

[tropic lodge]

it all depends on the strength of your pc, but generally this (and every other mod) should run just as well as the base game does. if not, it will very much cause issues with people on weaker systems

which is why there are so many people asking for optimization

[tacit cape]

i.e. if one tile is supposed to act as a wall for another, that breaks a lot of assumptions

[ivory estuary]

Also inverse teleporters can put you on the ceiling like half the time

[tacit cape]

ah yeah, if the collision is two-sided also that could be an issue if people get stuck oob

[dry rose]

Oh I see what do you mean. No, its not the case, its used very little on two floor tiles like stairs or different rooms inside the same tile, which again, its only a handful cases, and thats why its not needed to have double sided stuff and I plan to remove it

[tacit cape]

ah, I see

[dry rose]

Really? It didnt happen to me since I changed it like 5 days ago, it can still happen if you are super unlucky but chances should be very slim

[ivory estuary]

We are using the LethalThings teleporter trap and I assume that uses the same backend as the inverse

[inner fiber]

Yeah me and my group were getting teleported on top of the ceiling with lethal things trap

[dry rose]

Thats what I assumed to and fixed it a week ago. Does it still happen?

[distant gale]

Budapest is on my list once it gets some optimization

[dawn musk]

yeah

currently adds a whopping 20 seconds to the game's opening time for me

[distant gale]

Like it's really cool, but needs some optimization, and I don't need the laggiest interior (no offense Dantor, love seeing that fixes are being worked on ) on the laggiest map

[dry rose]

No offense taken. I know what I have and I'm faaaar from being a good mod developer
This is the first time I do something like this, and I only did it because I find fun on pushing my limits and learning stuff, never expected people to like it that much so of course it is prone to have a million flaws, but we will get there little by little, no worries ☺️

[distant gale]

It looks really good at least

[sudden ibex]

ill need a 4090 to run budafest+mental hospital on hd

ahahahaha

playing on 20fps with both plus hundreds of mods and increased scraps

coomfy dungeon makes the dungeon so large that you cant find the exit

[ivory estuary]

it was happening yesterday

[peak scaffold]

kudos to that, no matter the quality of anything

[dry rose]

Okay, thanks for letting me know ☺️

[tacit cape]

the inverse teleporter component only exists if it's been bought, so it uses its own thing: https://github.com/EvaisaDev/LethalThings/blob/main/LethalThings/MonoBehaviours/TeleporterTrap.cs#L49-L67

it also would take a lot of work to make it teleport a specific person instead of whoever is within the teleporter's collision

it does use the same method to choose a destination though

[dry rose]

I will have to take a look but at first glance it should be pretty rare to get teleported outside the dungeon

[tacit cape]

if you want to really go hard on testing it you could probably copy paste that code into a coroutine to teleport yourself every x seconds and print the destination node (if there's a way to associate the node with whatever your assets contain)

[kindred barn]

About this generation

There's a really heavy load on titanium.

I run at 100 fps :с

Although it was sometimes 180-200

I don’t remember which update it was

(with CullFactor enabled)

Is the problem with teleport traps still relevant?

[kindred barn]

maybe this is my problem, as usual there are a lot of mods...

[cosmic rock]

Ye, performance issue is already known

he will try to fix it when he comes back

and about the teleport, me personally I never had this issue

it was supposedly fixed but some users still reported this problem

[alpine wraith]

this mod has the second largest file size of my modpack

with 178,000 kbs

only beaten by lethalsdk

[glass yew]

known issue

[alpine wraith]

blud launched a homing missile what

bro tracked me down as soon as i said that

[glass yew]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-cipher-bill-cipher-gravity-falls-gif-23295249

[hallow ridge]

they said they were gonna lower the texture res for less size and performance

[dry rose]

Today I finally come back home, time to work on the stoopid textures ☺️

[storm geyser]

:D

[river hull]

Return of the map-maker

[rustic moon]

Legend

[warm python]

lets goo

[river hull]

Has anyone had any issues where the dungeon feels a bit underpopulated enemy wise? This could just very well be the maps I applied it to (Vow, March & Some modded ones)

Usually march is hopping with enemies but I just didn't encounter them, I get its a larger map size but surely that shouldn't make them too rare. Right? Possibly I could strictly set it to hospital for those maps and raise the enemy stats but I also don't want to be wrong and have a map that is inaccessable because it contains death incarnate. Any tips are appreciated, ciao

[sudden ibex]

arent those maps has less enemies?

they are like low tier maps

as far as i know. the monster spawn depends on the tier of the moon

[river hull]

Tier of the moon is less of a deciding factor of enemies, power level is where its at, March is at 14 whereas maps like rend, dine and titan range from 10-20 I'm pretty sure. Obviously types of enemies that spawn are also different but it should at least be somewhat similar whereas my crews playthroughs of these maps were rather dull. Vow is probably the most likely to have that issue though

[dry rose]

Could be anecdotic but March in particular has been always be like that for me, even on the base game interior is somewhat empty most of the time. Offense on the other side... Hahahah

[river hull]

Got it, I will swap my dedicated moons and see the results hopefully later tonight

[storm geyser]

offense literally is named offense tho

march i think it's because it's large and has lots of spiders which don't travel as much as other enemies

[warm python]

for me it was fine

[storm geyser]

so they take lots of inside power but you never see them

[dry rose]

The interior size also doesnt help the case since its a bit too big. And I know of a few vents that need tweaks, not sure if monsters spawning on them would get stuck, its definitely possible

[dry rose]

Right hahah its also more dangerous and rewarding than March. Not sure why Zeekers chose to swap the order on the moon list

[storm geyser]

march is the "best" because of bees
offense is the "best" because of loot but people dont go there cuz it's the most dangerous free moon
assurance imo is the "best" cuz very fast fire exit and main entrance, smallest, and not too many large items apart from bottles (and safest after experimentation)

[tropic lodge]

yes i also feel that way

i suspect both scrap and enemies are still spawning out of bounds

[sage tartan]

Offense is the best because I get to beat up thumpers (they make funny noises)

[storm geyser]

use LethalResonance for best thumper experience

[sage tartan]

Nah not a fan of that mod

I can't see it getting better than them running into walls in other rooms going "OURGH"

[river hull]

Have you, tried it?

[sage tartan]

Yep, had a shot of someone else's pack and found it pretty repulsive 🤷‍♂️

[river hull]

Have you, tried it tried it?

[sage tartan]

🤔

Maybe you're right, I should give it a go again

I like challenging my views as much as other people do

[lament stone]

What a wonderful idea😌

[untold blade]

Literally every time I play offense my team gets killed because we get awful thumper spawn in the main entrance or something and then don't have enough for extension ladder. 😭

of course the only reason we ever go to offense is it's 1st quota, we've spent all the money and everything else is eclipsed

[cosmic rock]

all my last 5 offense matches had a thumper

one had 3

😭

my friends are scared of using a shovel or something

[sage tartan]

Become one with the shovel, make the company proud

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[storm geyser]

(remember to disable nutcracker's bodies in the config, also spiders' if using arachnophilia)

[cosmic rock]

😭 never used this mod bc my friends were "scared" idk why but damm

do they pay well?

[cosmic rock]

is there something wrong with them?

or that's for the sell bodies mod?

[storm geyser]

sell bodies mod makes nutcrackers unable to drop shotguns

and i think it doesnt work with arachnophilia (requires testing)

[storm geyser]

VERY well

[cosmic rock]

hmmm

[storm geyser]

i use it with fairai so sometimes we just encounter dead enemy bodies

[cosmic rock]

fair ia is hillarious xD

once a yippie killed my friend too

by stepping on a mine

[lone solar]

U can turn the nutcracker and spider sellable off
Oh also someone else is making a fork of it they working for nutcracker fix and stuff

[dry rose]

I prefer to use the lategame upgrade "Hunter" since you have to buy it and upgrade it to make profit, gives a nice progression

[hallow ridge]

yes i like that one a lot more

[storm geyser]

yeah that's what i was saying

[lone solar]

I kinda use both since the monster weight kinda punishing already 😂

[storm geyser]

personally not a fan of lategame upgrades

[lone solar]

Why not

[storm geyser]

idk i dont really like the concept

[lone solar]

🤔

I honestly just disable half of the stuff there but hey whatever suits u 🫡

[slow parcel]

Masa uses both, but configured the price to be more fair

[storm geyser]

yea i changed the price aswell

[slow parcel]

The value also got switched around a bit because some creatures should be more rewarding to kill, while others less. So Masa's value list from worst to best goes basically like this :

• Yippee Bug
• Masked
• Centipede
• Spider
• Baboon Hawk
• Thumper
• Nutcracker
• Eyeless Dog
• Bracken

The Bracken is actually the hardest to kill, but also doesnt come in great numbers. Dogs do, so the value of the dogs is lower than the Bracken

Dogs become a common thing you kill when you have the tools for it :D

[storm geyser]

tools would mean having mods that adds weapons

i think there's a strat for dealing with them but most of the time it's best to leave them alone if you're not confident

[dry rose]

The zapgun is amazing against dogs, and also there are many cheesy ways to kill them without mods

[storm geyser]

also i don't really understand why baboon hawks are so high, since they usually mostly die by themselves because of dogs

and when alone they're quite easy to deal with

[slow parcel]

They're harder to kill than all the creatures below it, ngl

[sage tartan]

That got fixed by entity

[storm geyser]

it is another mod tho

[sage tartan]

Yeah because original isn't being worked on

Entity has taken over

Mod dev crowned entity the successor

[storm geyser]

i don't really think spiders are easier to kill than baboon hawks

[sage tartan]

As entity was the only person to show any interest in taking over lmao

[storm geyser]

a

[slow parcel]

Really? Spiders have felt like pushovers compared to Baboon Hawks

[storm geyser]

i'm guessing we've had different exeperiences with these two monsters

[sage tartan]

I feel spiders are only really bad in tight corridors and if you are missing 10hp, that 90 damage attack is silly

In a straight line? smacking time

[slow parcel]

Yeah. Spiders you can kite, Baboon Hawks kinda roll you when they feel like rolling you

[dry rose]

Its a little tricky until you get used to their walking pace but once you get it you can kill them easily. But I feel you, everyone has a archnemesis monster x)
Mines are Masked for some reason

[storm geyser]

mine's masked too lol

[slow parcel]

Thumpers 😔

[storm geyser]

i'm probably just too used to maskedenemyoverhaul

also my devil plan

[sage tartan]

I've gotten more consistent at beating them up, take a good bit of getting used to

[slow parcel]

Everytime a Thumper appears (and isnt at the small stair room in facility) they just feel like a boss battle

[storm geyser]

maskedenemyoverhaul + dropthatmask + maskthedead (+ possesedmasks)

[sage tartan]

If it helps in larger rooms you can jump over them so they smack a wall, it kills all their momentum and makes them easier to deal with

[storm geyser]

i usually lure them to my friends, they get killed and then i go to a fire exit feeling great

[lone solar]

I hate possesedmasks with a passion 😂 its kinda intrusive

[slow parcel]

It almost feels easier to side step them and smack their head when they go charge mode tbh

Thumpers losing their momentum actually feels like when its at its most dangerous because it tracks you at that speed

[storm geyser]

i do hate it but i do not wanna remove it

[lone solar]

I mean it does matter for your evil plan ya ofc u dont wanna remove it

[sage tartan]

If you can hit em when they're just accelerating you can get into an easy rhythm of beatin them up, once you get the swing it's easy dosh

[storm geyser]

also we've become so used to the mod with my friends that it's just a part of the routine now, i usually take the masks tho cuz they dont really feel safe taking them

but yeah its gud for my evil plan

also this is just annoying on possessed masks

[slow parcel]

Maybe its Diversity making them harder out of charge mode tho

[sage tartan]

Oh right yeah, I don't play with that mod 😅

[slow parcel]

Ah lol

Yeah maybe Diversity just makes the spiders easier, and the Thumpers harder lol

[lone solar]

Diversity thumper revamp was designed for v45 still dunno how they behave with v49

[slow parcel]

And Baboon Hawks a menace maybe

[lone solar]

Maybe i should test

[cosmic rock]

mine are thumpers and slimes, I always forget that I can jump above them xD

[lone solar]

Also hows the progress doctor @dry rose the hospital needs you

[dry rose]

Slow but steady, I didnt have too much free time today but here I am right now

[storm geyser]

nice

gl

[shrewd seal]

[Warning:LethalLevelLoader] AssetBundleLoader.RegisterExtendedDungeonFlow() is deprecated. Please move to PatchedContent.RegisterExtendedDungeonFlow() to prevent issues in following updates.

Yellow Error with LLL when Mental Hospital Loads

[storm geyser]

"yellow error"

yellow isnt an error

[shrewd seal]

yellow message, my bad

[storm geyser]

it's just a warning, affects nothing ingame

[shrewd seal]

just thought Id point it out since it says, move to this to prevent issues in future updates

[dry rose]

I'm aware of it but I appreciate it ❤️

[shrewd seal]

[plucky sandal]

Kinda have the issue where there’s less loot

Iirc we found about 2 keys

[dry rose]

I kinda love the RNG sometimes

[hallow ridge]

yeah i got a sentry before in the left hall way and 2/3 of us died with the other guy stuck in a fall loop because of LLL

[dry rose]

Fall loop because config desync?

[hallow ridge]

yeah we keep syncing our configs but it seems to only have lessened the chance of stuff like this happening

[dry rose]

Weird, never happened to me and my group. I always share my code with them and it goes perfectly on every interior

[hallow ridge]

i do the exact same but its like 1% chance it still does this

or another glitch where we see two different interiors

[lone solar]

does a duplicate entry in LLL config matter for this case?
like if added/readded/delete moons/interior sometimes theres duplicate with different number?

[hallow ridge]

interesting point

ill try to remake my configurations then

[lone solar]

dunno if it matter at all but i usually just delete the config, run once and then share the code

[hallow ridge]

okay ill make sure to try this because i definetely have at least 20 unused configs about 2 of which use LLL

[shell oxide]

wdym unused configs..?

[cosmic rock]

hmm

different interiors?

the only thing we have is weather desync

I never saw interior one

[cosmic rock]

ig some mods they removed from the modpack, but the config file still there

[shell oxide]

That’s what I thought too, but that just leaves me with more questions considering the rest of what they said

[cosmic rock]

yeah, but it's the only way to have unused configs

but the different interiors got me confused xD

[hallow ridge]

yes that is what unused configs are

[shell oxide]

just delete them then

[shell oxide]

Has anyone had this happen before?

[dry rose]

Hah, thats a funny one. I have seen something similar but not directly into a Fire Exit!

How is your game so bright tho?

[shell oxide]

Oh I was playing at max brightness lmao

Plus i may have used noclip

which means that I wont get the pitch black fog that spawns in around you when you enter through any fire exits or main entrance

[glass yew]

the what now

[shell oxide]

I learned that the lighting gets changed when you enter the facility

But it seems like it's triggered by actually interacting with the fire exits / entrance

[glass yew]

i think you've misunderstood whats happening there

[shell oxide]

probably tbh

[glass yew]

going in and out of the dungeon doors just turns the sky on and off

freecam via unity explorer just disables lighting period

[shell oxide]

Yea that sounds more accurate

I had no clue how to explain it so I just went with whatever came to mind

[dry rose]

Me wanting to make the interior darker and people are walking around with a portable sun in their butts, smh

[shell oxide]

I only do it for testing my modpack lol

I've been trying to figure out why a certain mod isn't working with the apparatus so I've just been noclipping around looking for the apparatus room so I dont have to spend 10 minutes exploring

[warm python]

I dont think there is an apperatus in the MH

[dry rose]

There is not (yet) but I think he knows

[shell oxide]

yea ik. The mod also works for ship leaving early so I was just killing time til midnight hit

[warm python]

heres the planned stuff currently

Planned:

Apparatus room tile
More rooms
Improved prop randomization
(Maybe) map hazards
(Maybe) more themes

[dry rose]

Talking about the apparatus, what would be a good room setting for it? I feel like a MRI room would fit but I'm open to suggestions

[shell oxide]

that would make the most sense to me

[warm python]

yea that sounds like a good one, but also, a basement under it with green liquids in a lab room
giving off this vibe

and the green lighting would be sick too

[dry rose]

A creepy lab is definitely on the table, yup. Not sure if its going to be for the apparatus but I want one

[warm python]

bet

cause the appeartus is green and so are the

this image is actually a great concept

[hallow ridge]

yeh but idk how that would translate into the hospital design

[storm geyser]

my first run on some difficulty modpack: assurance fast fire exit. left just as fast (5 turrets in the fire exit room)

[dry rose]

Sounds like fun to me x)

[storm geyser]

i mean it's fun

you just don't expect that off the second least dangerous moon

[dry rose]

⚠️ ATTENTION EMPLOYEES A NEW UPDATE HAS ARRIVED⚠️

UPDATE 1.0.4
Performance
-Reduced most textures from 1024 to 512
-Removed double sided walls/floors/ceilings to avoid rendering unnecessary object
-Removed some high poly count LODs on props
-Drastically reduced whole assetbundle size
Gameplay
-Reduced map size even further, and made it sightly dynamic to each moon. Average size is now close to x1 max
It should be way easier to find scrap even on easy moons
-Fire Exits should appear further from the main entrance more often now
Other
-Updated README to include a Donation button

[spiral leaf]

oh goody

[rustic moon]

King 👑

[dry rose]

The whole assetbundle went from 180MB to 45MB. I hope the changes made the interior run better

[rustic moon]

Woah that’s insane

Thank you Dantor

[peak scaffold]

I can confirm I have 80 fps now occasionally, drops to 30-40 sometimes tho

[dry rose]

How much fps did you have before the update?

[peak scaffold]

like constantly 40-50

[dry rose]

Yay, looks promising then

[peak scaffold]

entering the hospital I am stuck on those 40-50 but after some times it's now more or less consistently above 70 I'd say

not sure if Cull Factory plays a role in that

[sharp nymph]

Ill try and see what fps I get later as I was hitting as low at 40fps on a 4070

[tacit cape]

can also use CullFactory to set a fixed seed for benchmarking if you desire a more consistent measurement

[shell oxide]

I got this interior a few times yesterday and didn’t suffer from nearly as bad fps drops so things are definitely improving

[inner fiber]

Update channel title @dry rose

[dry rose]

Right

Dantor's Mental Hospital [1.0.4]

[gaunt spindle]

are the ceilings and stuff still made of a bunch of tiny squares instead of one square per surface?

[dry rose]

Yes and it will always be like that

[gaunt spindle]

why though? it seems rather unoptimized, and no other interior does that

[shell oxide]

if it works, it works 🤷‍♂️

[dry rose]

I have close to zero 3d modelling skills, so building blocks like "minecraft" allows me to shape rooms as I need, plus I can set up random stuff on the ceiling like those broken ceilings with hanging cables

[slow parcel]

Maybe there's a way to 'flatten' the room into one tile once you are done with the product? Unsure if that would work or help tho

Kind of like layers on a uhh.. Paint.net page. Bringing them together on one layer to make it one thing.

Just spitting limited knowledge ideas over here 😭

[shell oxide]

Just discovered a weird glitch with one of the walls

One side of it is see-through, but the other side is the normal wall

[dry rose]

I dont think so, not as easy as that I'm afraid.
Tbh I dont think its big issue, it should work fine as it is

[dry rose]

Oh, can you show me which room is the one on the left screenshot?

[slow parcel]

Its been working fine for Masa atleast yeah. Just a wall texture here and there shuffled off the wall really. But that was also previous update,havent tested the new update yet

[shell oxide]

It's the bathrooms that are past doors with the red light above it

[dry rose]

Gotchu. Next update will be fixed

Btw is not true that the hospital is the only interior using modular blocks, Major's bunker seems to be using it too for example. Not sure about the rest
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[cosmic rock]

now that I was thinking of it you could have like 2 versions, the high res one and a lower res one

but it would double the work xD

bc if you want to add some rooms or something it would give you twice the ammount of work

[dry rose]

No thanks, I dont wanna lose the few sanity that I still have hahah

[small hearth]

i finally have no lags anymore good job

[dry rose]

You have no idea how happy I am to hear that ❤️

[small hearth]

im also happy lmao i still played it on it, it was just giving me frame drops and it finally doesn't happen anymore, its fluent now

the only issue i ever found was this generation bug here, you see throught from one side, but not from the other side

[dry rose]

Yup, I forgot those walls need to be double sided 😅

[small hearth]

no problem, it never bothered me!

ah just so you know that picture was from titan generation

[dry rose]

How did you find the scrap density?

[small hearth]

From my one trip which was on stormy weather Titan, and with thumpers on my ass, i found about medium sized amount in single rooms or the storage rooms or even the special rooms like the bathtub room, where i got about 10 - 14 items out

So i wouldn't say i cannot complain about no metal at all, thumpers are even scarier in this interior since the ways connect verrry far sometimes which makes it spooky jumpscaring

[dry rose]

Looks fine, good

[silver pulsar]

Can confirm, the small shower room is missing the wall textures, free wall hacks lol.

Other than that, this has been a great patch, my fps went from averaging 40fps, to now averaging 100fps when visiting this interior, huge praise @dry rose 🙌

[eternal crystal]

Yeah we saw the update this morning and my friend and I were trying.

I have decent pc so I was fine but his fps doubled lol

[dry rose]

Already fixed on my build but thanks for checking ❤️

[dry rose]

Dude, thats great! I'm happy for you

[shrewd seal]

Good Job Dan!

[dense halo]

Reminder that #mod-showcase exists and that you should post in it

[shrewd seal]

do you have any posters in the interior? I noticed the walls looked kinda empty in the pictures

[dry rose]

True, thank you ❤️

[dry rose]

Oh really? There are posters like this one on certain rooms

[shrewd seal]

Oh good, I haven't had the oppurtunity to play a whole lot recently, but I was thinking it could have used some more of those, or frames/pictures of things.

[dry rose]

There are also walls which randomly spawn with windows, and those windows sometimes have wooden planks or metal grates on them and sometimes dont, there are also a few types of decals that can spawn on walls that make it look like are decayed and different types of molds on the top part of them

There is also a slim chance of creepy drawing appearing on them (apart from the isolation cells)

[shrewd seal]

I forget about windows counting as decor

[dry rose]

I feel like pictures don't fit on corridors too well. There are some at the office's room. And posters at the morgue and surgery
Now that I recall, there are also some "evacuation plans" on some walls on corridors, but it's true that I don't use that prop a lot

[shrewd seal]

Yeah it's interesting, old interiors have all of those taken down when they are abandoned and such, but running hospitals seem to be more comfortable environment looking, with a lot of props and stuff (art quotes etc)

[cosmic rock]

would be cool too, like a manequinn room/warehouse

where it could be full of mimic's

instead of skeletons

[shrewd seal]

and with yours being like, an abandoned modernish hybrid, it seems pretty realistic, although maybe there would be more painted walls

[cosmic rock]

imagine someone makes a futuristic moon

instead of it being abandonned it has robots

with wich you could interact

have small quests like interact with a robot to open the apartus room

[dry rose]

That's actually something I want to do

[cosmic rock]

tbh

you could add on the office room

on the table

a key

if you get it you could unlock the aparatus room

and it would kinda fit

or in the small office you have, not the room but the small office some rooms have

there's a small % that it spawns on one of them

[dry rose]

I will see what I can actually do about it

[shell oxide]

I dont get it. It's supposed to be an abandoned mental hospital. Mental hospitals are as bare as possible

[storm geyser]

you still gotta take player interest and gameplay into consideration, having just bare rooms won't cut it

[cosmic rock]

exactly

this is a game, if u don't add content or don't add interesting things

you won't have player retention

[storm geyser]

plus it feels like less of a recent mental hospital, which makes it prone to having more stuff, and more stuff in an abandoned environment = more mess

[cosmic rock]

and many abandonned places like hospitals, have all their equipment there

[storm geyser]

i feel like some spider really does not want you to go through here

[fickle wagon]

yeah i died from it

[storm geyser]

f

[fickle wagon]

and it was the only way to go

[storm geyser]

painful spider nest placement

[fickle wagon]

luckily i was just testing my pack and not playing seriously

[cosmic rock]

jump

[glass yew]

we fucking love to see it dude

[dry rose]

https://tenor.com/view/lasers-happy-dance-break-in-deadbeat-gif-15408559

[scarlet kettle]

anyone got a hospital config they use for interior chance rates

[cosmic rock]

me personally I just put all the interiors with the same rate

[pale verge]

So I like to put dungeons on specific moons only, and I really like this dungeon but I don't really know where to tie this dungeon to. Any suggestions?

I would love to put this on budapest, I think thats the best match for it tbh. But i'm trying real hard to avoid Lethal Expansion lmao

[cosmic rock]

my only specific moon one is pool with bikin bottom

and that's bc someone told me here on this chat

a while ago

and I agree

[pale verge]

lmao that sounds great

[cosmic rock]

and to do the chances I just use chatgpt xD

I pass him all the moon names

and tell him add me @150 and add a "," in between the moon names

xD

[pure mulch]

I dont have too many custom moons so idk whats out there but I really like it on Titan, and I want to test it on Etern (but thats an LE moon, isnt it?)

[pale verge]

yeah unfortunately for me all of wesley's moons are LE I think

I have Scarlet Devil Mansion on the paid moons on something like a 40% chance but I suppose this would work good there too

[cosmic rock]

I love SDM but we removed it from our pack

bc it's too big for 2 players

[pale verge]

yeah it definitely takes some tweaking in the config, they've actually been changing the default generation size recently I think

[cosmic rock]

ig I could change the interior size or smth

but my friends doesn't like the map much

and sadly all the painting events

never work for us

[small hearth]

Experimentation@10,Assurance@20,Vow@50,Offense@200,Gratar@10,March@200,Rend@200,Acidir@300,Dine@200

[icy prairie]

seems like with cullfactory this is running WAYYYYYYY better.

tho massive improvments to the loot could be made. had to give this a smaller chance to spawn since it's kinda hard to find stuff

[void kiln]

good job on the performance fix btww!! always want to like play on this smoothly since it is such a great interior

[storm geyser]

reduce the dungeon's size

[dry rose]

On which moon did you have this problem?

[icy prairie]

We tested it on experimentation and assurance just to see how the interior performed.

We found a bit more on assurance then when going to titan we again found very little cuz of how big the map gets.

[dry rose]

Can you please go to Titan again and send me the log?

[icy prairie]

I can't rn cuz I am actually headed to sleep now but when I can I will try to get around to that

[severe kernel]

@dry rose
I believe you removed the back side of an important wall.
https://streamable.com/x7l0ax

[small hearth]

i think thats the one you can look throught or?

[dry rose]

Yup, I already fixed it on my internal build but since its not really gamebreaking I will update it later on, I want to fix some other stuff before pushing a new update

[small hearth]

beside these minor problems, i had no issue on fps or graphical, where some interiors have double doors or wirdly placed tiles like in scp it really comes to my attention that your interior is just working very well so far

not that i say these are gamebreaking, just mentioning that yours looked just alright, and poolrooms does the same you and them are pretty good on their job!

[dry rose]

Well, let me introduce the apparatus and more stuff ans we will see if things are still stable or not hahaha

Thanks buddy ❤️

[small hearth]

no problem! your interior also heavily reminded me of the upturned inn part ||where you meet shrimp|| kind of and of course phasmo haha

[dapper wagon]

"dynamic" fire exit spawns?

[small hearth]

it has one i seen it recently with a green light

[dapper wagon]

I'm just curious what dynamic means

[small hearth]

maybe graphic wise?

[dry rose]

It means the amount of fire exits adjust to whatever moon you are in. Older interiors were only capable of having 1 fire exit and the rest were blocked or had to be hardcoded by the interior maker to spawn more than one (i.e: March) which caused issues with custom moons with more than 1 fire exit.

I'm pretty sure this is not an issue anymore tho

[dapper wagon]

Ohhhhhh

Cool!

Didn't realize that was an issue

[dry rose]

I'm pretty sure it's not anymore since every interior I know uses LLL. It's so nice

[dense halo]

yeah LLL is pretty nice with things like that

even back when it wasnt supported tho, the only issues you'd have is trying to use a fire exit and getting "Entrance is blocked" error, so it wasnt really ever a big deal, but good to have

[dry rose]

For me and my group it was since we tend to go a bit tryhard and separate people on different entries to cover more in less time 😅

[dense halo]

thats fair lol

[dawn musk]

looks like changelog.md is a little broken

## 1.0.4
**Performance:** 
- Reduced most textures from 1024 to 512 
- Removed double sided walls/floors/ceilings to avoid rendering unnecessary object 
- Removed some high poly count LODs on props 
- Drastically reduced whole assetbundle size

**Gameplay**
- Reduced map size even further, and made it sightly dynamic to each moon. Average size is now close to x1 max It should be way easier to find scrap even on easy moons 
- Fire Exits should appear further from the main entrance more often now 

**Other**
- Updated README to include a Donation button

## 1.0.3
- **Drastically reduced dungeon sized and locked it between x1 and x1.25 (Rend's size).** This change will help making loot less sparced and should feel better specially on Rend, Dine and Titan. Smaller moons may need more tweaking. 
- Potential fix to an issue with the Inverse Teleporter and LethalThing's traps which teleported played outside the interior bounds 
- Removed collision on doors while they are being open 
- Improved doors animation 
- Added a potential fix to cases on which scrap wasn't generating as it should 
- Removed deprecated config option. Consider deleting the config file so a new one gets generated on next game startup 

**Note: The dev (me) is going to be traveling until 21th so no more updates will come until he is back, please everyone behave well and don't break anything while I'm away**```

Here's a fixed version, keeping formatting as close as possible to what seems to be intended

[tacit cape]

looks like you still have a bit of a mistake in 1.0.3 there, the bolding ** should be after the bullet point

there are some nice sites that let you preview markdown if it would help

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/markdown
this one is nice because it works with section links

[dawn musk]

fixed

[dawn musk]

oh thats very nice

https://thunderstore.io/tools/markdown-preview/
there's also this, which lets you see it directly on thunderstore but doesn't have any editing features

[dry rose]

Oh, thanks guys, I noticed it was borked but I didnt have time to check how to properly format it. I will pay attention on the next update

[dapper wagon]

guessing the ghost girl spawn on this map is gonna be massive

[tacit cape]

markdown can be kinda picky about newlines, sometimes you need \n\n for it to actually make a paragraph rather than continuing a bullet point

and diff implementations are inconsistent

[tacit cape]

the performance improvement here looks very impressive too, I'm getting up to 200fps with CullFactory on the new update

I'll hopefully try out running this with some friends later

I did just test it out on experimentation and the loot seemed sparse, so I might limit it to certain maps

any thoughts on what might work best there?

[dry rose]

On Dine, Rend and Titan should be fine. I didnt test too much on March an Offense but I feel it should be okay too

If you could send me the log after you finish your session I would appreciate it, I wanna see something about the map sizes

[tacit cape]

oh sure, can do

I'll try to remember to grab them if I ever have to restart, otherwise I'll wipe em

it did feel like Experimentation was larger than I would've expected, but maybe that's related to the tile size

I'll probably have it generating only on a few moons and random routing, so not sure how many times we'll get it either

[dry rose]

The thing is... I feel it fine on Experimentation, the tile size is obviously big big, but I reduced the tile count to something bearable (at least for me) so I'm curious to see if there is something on people's modpack making it bigger or its just me not getting the sweet spot x)

[tacit cape]

shouldn't be anything interfering on my end, mine is quite minimal

but it's hard for me to say for sure, the map might feel larger going in solo testing

I only found 3 items while exploring fairly far though

I forgot to scan unfortunately

[dry rose]

Yeah, scanning greatly helps hahahah

[mental abyss]

Mental hospital are called Psychological Asylums ;-;

Otherwise, super fancy

Very good

Nice

[small hearth]

Mental Hospital is a good name tbh

[dry rose]

Sure, you can call it Psychological Asylums, Psychiatric Hospitals, Mental Health Institutions, Psychiatric Insitutions and the list can keep going forever but I wanted a simple name, not too long, not difficult to write and easy to remember

[mental abyss]

What do you think about Asylum ?

Or maybe it's too much assigned to Batman ?

[safe locust]

Asylum has more of a negative connotation imo

[mental abyss]

But yeah still a good name tho

[small hearth]

Spooky Hospital for halloween lolz

[mental abyss]

That's why I though it would sound good for horror game

[safe locust]

My brain shut off and I forgot this was a horror game for a min

[mental abyss]

But yeah keep your name, I was just wondering why

[safe locust]

lmfao

[dry rose]

It reminds me too much to the batman games yeah, I made a conscious decision to not call it like that because otherwise people would be like: Oh cool! A batman map! and then get fooled hahah

[safe locust]

Unfortunately mod names can’t be changed once uploaded anyway

It’s why Skinwalkers never changed their name

[mental abyss]

Understandable lol

Aight aight, absolutely understandable choice 😄

[safe locust]

By the time they learned about the connotation with the name it was already too big and would’ve been a mess

[safe locust]

Yeah “Mental Hospital” kinda gets the point across

[mental abyss]

The connotation?

[safe locust]

In Navajo culture, a skin-walker is a type of harmful witch who has the ability to turn into, possess, or disguise themselves as an animal.

It’s one of the creatures you shouldn’t say the name

[mental abyss]

Hmm it's not that far from what skin walkers are meant to be in the game

[mental abyss]

Oh bruhhh

What is Navajo tho

[safe locust]

An indigenous tribe

Native American

[mental abyss]

Oooh

I mean... It's touching a very small amount of the world population...

[safe locust]

It’s more of a respect thing

[mental abyss]

Hmm

[safe locust]

But yeah he said he would’ve changed it but by the time he learned the mod was pretty big and would’ve been a bit of a mess so he chose not to

and the mythological Skinwalker and like

The non-native interpretation

can be pretty different

and rug meant with the non-native

[dry rose]

@tacit cape The loooooog

[tacit cape]

ay good timing we stopped not long ago

it ended up being just the one log file

I didn't set it to spawn on experimentation but the loot did seem good on the endgame moons

[dry rose]

I see you got it two times, one on Offense and one on Kast. On Offense the final size seems to be 1.155 (If I understood Batby's function properly) which is a lil bit bigger than I wanted, Kast's size on the other hand was 1.5 which is great, maybe even a bit small I think for such amount of scrap
Hmm did it felt good on both cases? I would need more samples tho since it could be bad/good RNG on top of it

[tacit cape]

I think with regard to loot density it was fine both times actually

I forget exactly how much we brought back from Offense but I think it was multiple trips out the fire exit at least

we did have a big party though tbf

[dry rose]

Fair enough. Anyway I'm pretty happy, we are getting there step by step

[tacit cape]

yeah actually, I confirmed with someone, we actually got out exactly the amount that spawned on Offense which was somewhere around 635 iirc

I think maybe something's up with enemy spawns though? We did have some enemies on Offense which seemed fairly normal (although pathing for coilheads in the tiny room in main entrance room was weird), but on Kast we didn't really have any trouble with interior enemies at all

it was weirdly quiet and we got out with like 1200 iirc

[dry rose]

Yeah that happened to me too some rounds but doesn't seem to be consistent, I'm not sure if it's my interior or what

[tacit cape]

if it means anything, we did get enemy spawns every time on Scarlet Devil Mansion

it's a small sample size so that might not mean much if it's a rare intermittent issue

[dry rose]

Thing is... I don't touch anything related to enemy spawn chances at all. But I did noticed on Titan that some rounds I cant find a single monster even at 5pm and sometimes I step inside and I already have 2-3 monsters saying hi to me. Even if I misplaced some vent I don't think it could cause no monsters to spawn AT ALL

[tacit cape]

is it possible it's a combination of vent placement and navmesh?

I don't know how the game handles it when an enemy can't find a point on the navmesh off spawn, but it wouldn't surprise me if it deletes them

[dry rose]

I dont think so, there are several vents and as far as I know the monsters spawns randomly on different vents. Unless the game keeps trying to spawn at the same vent again and again it should not happen 🤔

[tacit cape]

good point

but also it's possible it might lol

it does some funny stuff

[dry rose]

Now I'm thinking that sometimes when I kill a monster that just came from a vent, some seconds later a new monster starts to spawn from that same vent, could be just coincidence tho.

I will try to check every vent of my map to see if I have some misplaced. Going to be a pain in the ass tho

[tacit cape]

ah I found the code, yeah it definitely should select different vents every time

it happens in RoundManager.PlotOutEnemiesForNextHour()

it looks like the logs are claiming it spawned some enemies at least

oh yeah and there's some logs by a lootbug where it finds a path to some loot, so that guy must've at least existed somewhere not super inaccessible

maybe we were just lucky

[dry rose]

Yep, thats the conclusion I'm reaching too hahah it's spawning enemies fine for me now

[river hull]

Can confirm emptiness has been filled with hell

[distant gale]

I would personally move Spiders below Baboon Hawks. Baboon Hawks are really easy to kill cuz they're bitch babies, and spawning abundantly outside means it's easier to get massive payouts from them

[safe locust]

I’d also say bracken’s are way easier to kill than dogs if you have two or more people

Or a shotgun

One zaps it and the other beats it with a shovel lol

[slow parcel]

Oh this was solo ranking

Dunno, Masa died waaaay more times trying to kill the Baboon than a spider

Spiders just can be kited so easily its unfunny