More Interiors [2.5.0] - Major_And_Skiz

[molten owl]

Hey @nimble patrol I have question

[last helm]

thanks for the help though

[nimble patrol]

yes what is question

[molten owl]

so I want a balanced interior system. I have of course the vanilla 1. facility and 2. mansion, 3. scoops dungeon 4. Scoops sewer 5. Bunker. 6. Office. 7. Mansion scarlet and I think that’s all of them

I wanna balance it out

like

having the default facility be the most common

and everything else relatively the same in chances

how do I calculate this

[nimble patrol]

so it is 7 interiors right

[molten owl]

yes

[nimble patrol]

let me do some quick maths real quick

[molten owl]

ok ok

[nimble patrol]

@molten owl like this how much do you want for facilty

if you want more facilty setting them all below 300 should up the amounts

[molten owl]

whats that website?

[nimble patrol]

i made it in google chrome

google sheets

[molten owl]

so wait

like the second image

do i put mansion scarlet as 165 or 300

165 right

[nimble patrol]

165

i was just showing if you want some more then others

but less then 300 for all would give the facilty more chance

[molten owl]

so i just change all the modded interiors percentage since i cant change like the vanilla facility

[nimble patrol]

ye

[bright lark]

did yer config change in the last like week or two

[nimble patrol]

not really

but i think it was busted with the presets

the list work

[bright lark]

I've noticed something

[nimble patrol]

oh

[bright lark]

So

All the ones that yell at me "invalid moon list value"

are the ones I did not put a rarity for

I assumed they'd take the base rarity given above list

[nimble patrol]

ye it doesn't do base rarity the new one i am doing does

[bright lark]

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-6502286207230651503

just ... @ me when the new config drops =w='

[nimble patrol]

i am only learned this all in a month

[bright lark]

so I know to nuke the config

[nimble patrol]

[bright lark]

I wanna know when config nuke needs to happen is all - w-

[nimble patrol]

i got scp example i am building off of

[bright lark]

take yer time -3- ... all I gotta do is add a number to each one for now

but when a config change happens, I gots to know cause lord forbid many mods never have the capabilities of nuking configs

(which honestly I don't even know if it's a possibility given the lack of config nuking/changing)

[nimble patrol]

i want it so you may not have to change anything butlike a @ between the rarity and the moon name

and it will just pick up the rest i might add a new section later when i add the sewer in

since that will have its own rarity

[molten owl]

so my whole friend group is using more interiors 2.10 and LLL 1.0.7 and one of them keeps getting desync on the bunker interiors, assuming its just from using old versions since we have our config matched

[nimble patrol]

it should work are you using list or like all or something

is all theres set the same like even the other interiors are correct

should just be able to share profile code after doing changes and it should work

🤔

will say that thunder store is being buggy lately too

[molten owl]

using all, and configs are matched 100% as we share profile codes and even checked each others config

I just deleted the config and let it make a new one

[nimble patrol]

ye it could be that weird only one person is broken

[molten owl]

I know that’s why I was confused. he was the only one MULTIPLE rounds too

honestly he could’ve updated more interiors or LLL who knows

[nimble patrol]

ye if the versions are different that could do it

i had that happen with testing different versions

[fickle pond]

I sometimes get this weird lighting issue on Infernis, does anyone know what causes it?

[bleak chasm]

what's the issue?

[fickle pond]

It's normally much darker, but in the screenshot the lighting of Infernis heavily bleeds through to the interior.

It doesn't happen every time and it also seems to rotate with the position of the sun almost like it's lighting the interior as it would the surface.

[blissful cloud]

yeah, that seems more of an infernis issue than a MI issue

this tends to happen w some custom moons though

plus it might be intended?

atlantica from Wesley's also has some different lighting inside

[fleet cypress]

its the dungeon particles that wesley put in

on gratar bunker would be a bit darker but all lights even the flashlight would emit red

[drifting cloud]

Its intentional

Wesley's Moons all have a different atmosphere for the interiors Masa believes. (Not sure about Etern)

[fleet cypress]

etern is if you ever noticed a little bit tan in view distance like instead of normal clear glas view it has some sandy tan to it

[drifting cloud]

Ohhhhh. Right that makes sense. Thought that was Ganimedes for some reason.

Been a while since Masa got on Etern lol

[fleet cypress]

never forget the suprising camping nutcracker outside

etern and bunker fit visually, its just chaotic with the monster spawn inside

[bleak chasm]

intentional i think

[knotty garnet]

Intended, volcanic environments.

[solar topaz]

all my custom moons that have custom interiors on are pretty laggy for some reason

[nimble patrol]

The Guide is Coming Along Nicely
do you guys think I should Make a Separate Youtube Channel for the Videos I am Doing for this too

Just Like MoreInteriors Youtube or just like post them in a Google Drive

most of the videos would be no talking just showing how to do certain parts with also a whole doc explaining how certain things work

[glacial maple]

probably do it on youtube

so people can search it easier

[nimble patrol]

gotcha

[glacial maple]

also @nimble patrol, while meltdown doesn't fully support it yet (well it does it could just lead to some wonky overriding) the next version will! facilitymeltdown adds the geiger counter item and i overengineered the system behind it so if you wanted you could setup custom amounts for this

[nimble patrol]

Oh Nice that sounds great 🙂

[winged coral]

Ah

So depending on how "stable" the energy core is meant to be compared to its' vanilla counterpart it could either be much lower impact on the geiger, thus rendering it much harder to find, or it could be even more radioactive

Actually, I think it would be interesting (assuming it doesn't exist) if different interiors could have diff minimum background radiation

Idk

[glacial maple]

im adding that as a config option to my new mod where youd be able to configure different levels of background radiation for different vanilla moons

i wouldn't add config options for modded moons tho

[winged coral]

Wait new mod?

[glacial maple]

yeah facility meltdown is being split into two different mods

[winged coral]

oh

[glacial maple]

gonna let me make a cooler new new mod in the future

[winged coral]

Lol Titan should be a mess of background radiation inside and out. Would maybe explain why so many monsters

And also make it hard to distinguish appy from normal levels till you get close

[glacial maple]

I probably won't do stuff based on interiors because I feel like it would be much cooler to "calibrate" how you see your Geiger counter when you land on a new moon

[nimble patrol]

oh i like that very much

[nimble patrol]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206155878647078912

Made this for Making stuff

[bleak chasm]

actual war zone

[fleet cypress]

That is totally safe, im not sure what you are talking about

[mystic kernel]

turrets love camping fire exits i swear

its like whoever put those things down played a ubisoft game before leaving the facility

once i had a fire exit with just a singular catwalk, and its literally just turrets from start to end cramped in it

theres like 7 of them

[shell bloom]

New Idea: Defunct Elevator Shaft

• essentially an equivalent for the vanilla "void" sections you can jump across

• could put a ladder on one and/or both sides to make a "skill" jump where you have to grab the ladder to avoid falling
• could put a small ledge around the hole that you can just barely walk on (kinda like the vanilla walkway railings)

• could have the same tile be accessible from multiple levels

• i.e. if you're trying to escape something and WANT to risk it, you could try jumping down from one level to another below

• could allow for some silly jetpack shenanigans
• could have Electric Doors that the Ship Operator would need to open for you

[thin portal]

One of the early tileset ideas I was playing with was an abandoned hotel with like three to five floors, with a central elevator shaft that required platforming to traverse to some degree as the way that you travelled between the various floors.
I was having some issues with how DunGen generates branches, since each floor would have to be a branch to some degree, so I dropped it in favor of the sewer idea- that said, understanding DunGen a bit more now it's not impossible, so I might return to the idea later down the road- but at the same time I'm already at that point where I'm ready to move on to something new

[nimble patrol]

DunGen is so useful to make all sorts of dungeons and game types
It is a great tool

[bleak chasm]

that would be so epic and awesome and epic and awesome, i am totally not biased from playing the upturned

[gray lance]

Just had a multi case where most of us went into bunker, but one person wound up glitched out in an instance of the facility interior -- anyone run into that sort of mayhem before?

[gray lance]

holy moly it's clientside and not serverside for the interior? aaaa

[vagrant aurora]

It's based on the seed and config. Configs need to be the same for all players

[analog drift]

No it shouldn’t

Unless your using LLL 1.0.7

[vagrant aurora]

Even if they're not using LLL configs and still using individual mod configs?

[analog drift]

Yup LLL 1.1.0 transpiles basegame to force sync host dungeon selection and dungeon size

one of the things that took a while

in theory it should work like as seamlessly as possible

Except it meant I had to fix a bug in vanilla

[vagrant aurora]

Gotcha

They might be running 1.0.7 but it's good to know

[glacial maple]

that i had already run into but didn't think was useful enough to tell people about it :3

[gray lance]

I wanna move to newer LLL but with my mod loadout it just locks on a black screen before main menu 😔

[honest lion]

do you have a mod that skips the 'launch into online/lan' screen?

[gray lance]

yeah

[analog drift]

thats probably what is breaking it

[nimble patrol]

Yeah I agree that is what is breaking it

[gray lance]

that seems to have sorted it!

now I need to figure out why the terminal doesn't take the sort commands, just says no action supplied with the word when I try sort price / sort difficulty etc.

[nimble patrol]

I think you have to
Preview Price>Sort Price

Or
Preview Difficulty> Sort Difficulty

[analog drift]

you shouldnt have to

[nimble patrol]

oh gotcha I just like to see the change before I sort it

[gray lance]

that was one of the things I was most stoked for with the new version too, I gotta figure out what else is influencing the terminal 😩

figured, but it was Better Terminal

[lofty ginkgo]

So I’ve had this mod installed for a while and I’ve been to a ton of planets, but I just don’t seem to be seeing any new interiors

Could it be a mod conflict problem?

[vagrant aurora]

That, or a config issue

I don't remember what the default values are lol

[gray lance]

Either your config is culprit or you’re using a different pairing of LLL and more interiors versions than intended

[nimble patrol]

for my config i am fixing it so it defaults and syncs but it doesn't default with all or other statments and
List is the only one working

[solar topaz]

scalret mansion as a moon?

[nimble patrol]

no it was a error i made

did it a while back and used the same photo

[nimble patrol]

ok i got new Config set up took a while to get working
also have a rarity slider that goes to 9999
so it will allow to go higher then 300 for default setting

working on Syncing this now

[nimble patrol]

made a section for a specific moon since other modder requested it

gonna get the text all sorted out so it reads better

[nimble patrol]

got something happening with my AI

[kind stump]

https://tenor.com/view/fea-giant-rat-gif-25069354

[nimble patrol]

[vagrant aurora]

I... don't think that's how rats are supposed to rat

Like I could be wrong

but that don't look rat

[nimble patrol]

lol they will get better since this was just test of ai and has 0 animations but this was successful the AI did something

[vagrant aurora]

I figured

Rat King enemy wen

[thin coral]

ratman, king of rats

[shell bloom]

Inspo for a "checkpoint" within the bunker system - depending on how long since it was abandoned you want it, adding some graffiti might be a good move too

[nimble patrol]

improved it

got it working

[kind stump]

Will our lovable 3d movie maker rats have sounds?

[nimble patrol]

ye should be possible

but will try without then adjust

[kind stump]

The inevitable Mirage integration to have them randomly play voicelines will be golden, they will never suspect the rats

[bleak chasm]

Make sure to optimize them alot. Not the best idea to have tons of even slightly unoptimized enemies wandering around at all times.

Actually, maybe you could make the rats a standalone mod for all interiors? Add some variation too, like cockroach for that true half life 1 experience in LC.

[nimble patrol]

It won't be a ton it most likely be 5 or 7 not like the numbers in video

Was just a lot in video to see behavior

And the pathing they took

Also I can just have like 5 or so very fast rats would still be terrifying

Want they also to scurry away from plays when players get close

Was close to that with testing

[nimble patrol]

Ye main priority is interior and rats will just add some more atmosphere to level

I will see what perfect balance is then improve on it

[thin coral]

you'd need #1204213031249117308 if you're gonna have a decent amount of rats and expect sounds to still work

[nimble patrol]

I don't want many unless I can optimize but will see

And thanks

[gray lance]

love the rats, having more non-harmful fauna is very welcome for atmosphere

Something that'd actually make sense to spawn at Gordian if people mod spawn nodes there, though that's cagier for different reasons

[minor pagoda]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206293648430333982

[nimble patrol]

I will also see about make its own mod too. So you can just hook to the spawn points and put whatever animal or creature prefab replacing the rats

[shell bloom]

I have an important addition to your radiation mod:

[shell bloom]

that would be perfect, cause I can see the rats being used all over the place

[nimble patrol]

Oh nice

[shell bloom]

side note: signs would go hard as interior detail variation

dont even have to be in english or any actual language

[nimble patrol]

Ye we know I had a few Ideas of just caution or warning ⚠️ signs and other stuff

[shell bloom]

"No Entry"
"Dead End"
👀

a broken down, rusted out military jeep would be good detail/clutter too

[waxen spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/eqms-gif-14609830148739775430

[queen thistle]

(this is loud)

[shell bloom]

Floppy Disks would make good bunker scrap

the technology seen across the bunker should be completely chronologically inconsistent imo

[versed marsh]

#1195529353476460664

[junior zodiac]

Whatcha going to move on to?

[nimble patrol]

More Interiors [2.3.0] - Major_And_Skiz

2.3.0

• Added Config Changes
• Added Default for Outpost 31
• Added Rat Creatures
• Changes to Generation Better for override

New Format for Moons in config

• Bunker Rarity goes to 0 - 99999
• Bunker Moons now just set to list
• Bunker Moons New Format - Titan:500,Dine:10,Rend:99999
• Outpost 31 now just default in config - Outpost31:99999

not synced yet so you have to share codes still

[kind stump]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-movie-jerma-lore-mystery-of-the-mayan-treasure-pier-rats-gif-16375444

[vagrant aurora]

Can you kill the rats with a shovel

[winged coral]

Only if they let out a horrifying shriek before dying

[nimble patrol]

currently no they just roam working on killing and other status and behaviours
maybe a chance to form a rat king
and maybe one you can feed cheese and they help you or follow you

[waxen spoke]

can rats run from monsters?

that could be interesting

[nimble patrol]

not yet also working on same for players to avoid

[waxen spoke]

cool

cats should be able to hunt rats

[nimble patrol]

lol

right now that we have both

[waxen spoke]

yep

is this compatable with all interiors?

[nimble patrol]

the rats no but people said i should make it one

a separate mod

[waxen spoke]

agreed

easier to patch that way, and more people will know about it

[nimble patrol]

also make it able to swap out creatures too

[waxen spoke]

you mean like cockroaches? different types of vermin

[nimble patrol]

ye

[waxen spoke]

this could turn into a pretty cool ambient creature mod

[vagrant aurora]

AmbientCreatureAPI wen

[worthy perch]

ohh you could make some cool like alien bug critters for ambients

tiny bunker spiders 😭

[waxen spoke]

hording bug larva

i just want to see a ecosystem in the interior dungeons

[worthy perch]

that'd be so cool

[bright lark]

https://tenor.com/view/rb-gif-3624281043814718262

Should I nuke the config

I'll just nuke it.. .,.

@nimble patrol Can I leave the moons blank on the list, or do I still have to assign a rarity to each one

[bright lark]

I mean, I guess you show it here so-... should work

[bleak chasm]

oh my god are they actually the windows movie maker rats

[queen thistle]

the modded enemy list grows

[dusky karma]

The rat is an "enemy" or just a little rat

[thin portal]

Unsure on details yet exactly- but after making a mod, why not try making a game, y'know?

[junior zodiac]

Good, yeah

[junior zodiac]

I’m pretty interested in what other people are going to make so if you can, let me know about the game? :P

(I just woke up)

[thin portal]

The plan currently is to fully finish at least one more tileset on this before we actually dive fully into something new, so nothing to really talk about yet

[nimble patrol]

[nimble patrol]

Just a rat for now 🙂

[dusky karma]

cute

[dusky karma]

also

any plan to make the bunker ground dirt/sand more uh-

dirtier looking?

[nimble patrol]

Yes was testing with the randomized FX like bullet shells and maybe blood spots bottles and more junk.
maybe piles you can see rats come out of.
And maybe skeleton corpse's

For Walls
bullet holes maybe
Loose hanging wires
Blood splatter

Still making ideas gonna try and adding a new tile that makes connections better

We have too many just 2 ways not enough 4 or more doorways

[dusky karma]

oooo

[vagrant aurora]

Rat

[fleet cypress]

i seen rats, and i see the update just now, heh im late

[cosmic jolt]

its spamming this

[nimble patrol]

Ye I gotcha will have to make an adjustment

The rat looks like it got stuck or something

Could be stuck behind a wall

Will do a check

[nimble patrol]

Can you send logs ?

[cosmic jolt]

how do i do that?

[nimble patrol]

in the debug in launcher hit copy to clipboard and then put in text doc and then send to here or my dm

like notepad would work

or you can get from bepinex

this folder with the same profile name

[cosmic jolt]

okay I will do that, but I'm currently playing with my friends

[nimble patrol]

👍

will do a patch too

[cosmic jolt]

is there any problem? like if it takes too long to copy it might not save idk lol

[nimble patrol]

ye possible might be long list

figured i would have some problem with AI since it is new thing

[cosmic jolt]

do I need to close the game?

[nimble patrol]

Oh yeah maybe so just do it when your done or game is closed

[cosmic jolt]

oh its too heavy to send

[nimble patrol]

I forgot that is generates after

Oh I should be small

[cosmic jolt]

damn I can't send it

I will try to get the only part that it bugs

[nimble patrol]

here do this will get the log from the folder instead

the Logoutput in bepinex

just drop in here

[cosmic jolt]

tell me if this is enough

[nimble patrol]

yep that is

[cosmic jolt]

btw it spammed a lot

[nimble patrol]

ye the rat couldn't find where to go

so it was saying couldn't find transform

Just need to optimize the rats logic

[nimble patrol]

could just be a bad generation for rats but will have it fixed

[plush bear]

Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Transform.get_position () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000)
MoreInteriorsDunGen.RatAI.RatAI.Move () (at <d8256b99c60749ca870887beb5400947>:IL_0032)
MoreInteriorsDunGen.RatAI.RatAI.Update () (at <d8256b99c60749ca870887beb5400947>:IL_0014)```

Glad to see its not my mod lol

(was fixxing a null ref)

[plush bear]

RAT TABLE RAT TABLE RAT TABLE

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGLaHzhXIAAdNdy.jpg:large

[nimble patrol]

Ye working on fix

Oh they shouldn't be there lol

No wonder it is throwing error lol

Why did it get on table lol

I should do a test why they are on table lol

All test I did they didn't do that lol

[gray lance]

easter egg where when it's almost midnight an especially big rat comes out and plays the make all of da rules clip

[nimble patrol]

Oh I like it I could do that since I can just grab the daytime part

[gray lance]

a little friend for someone who is already doomed to be stranded in the bunker

[nimble patrol]

Also is the generation better or worse for size I am revamping it to be more connecting pieces

[plush bear]

I'd say better

[elder oasis]

probably already reported, but NRE from trying to despawn rats at round end in 2.3.0

[plush bear]

I think this is best interior mod for a few reasons and one of them is how smooth and natural the tile connections are

[nimble patrol]

Ye working on it

[nimble patrol]

Should have it patched up tonight

[vagrant aurora]

This one's definitely up there, though PoolRooms is also fantastic

I like this one a lot cuz Major's such a sweetheart and helps troubleshoot things

😛

[simple cipher]

connecting paths is a lot better for sure, i think i went in one path from the entrance, did a whole loop around and came from the other path so that's good. size-wise it still feels very big

i think you should add more unique props as well, similar to https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1205741904881516595

that could go a long way to help navigation, currently it feels very confusing since a lot of the rooms look the same or very similar

[nimble patrol]

Ye gonna add more stuff creatures and props

Sounds and particles

[nimble patrol]

Ye I find it fun for now lol

[junior zodiac]

oh you like pool rooms! What do you like about it?

Im considering checking it out

[thin portal]

Admittedly I intentionally made an effort to make areas feel confusing and easy to get lost in- with how the base game’s levels are designed, I felt like the interiors feeling same-y and easy to get lost in was kinda a purposeful design decision

[thin portal]

I appreciate it! Once we fully learned how the whole door connector/door blocker/local prop set systems worked, I started having way more fun with making tiles for DunGen- you can go absolutely wild with making tile connections as intricate as you care to- as long as you’re fanatical with making sure things line up!
… that said, my favorite tile connections and blockers that I made for the bunker were for a secondary archetype of covered trench tiles that we ended up cutting from the bunker ahaha

[nimble patrol]

agreed

we could still used them

[plush bear]

cool

[nimble patrol]

i found ways to make work 🙂

fixing rat problem first

[analog drift]

@thin portal oh your a bunker dev?

[plush bear]

I wish more interior mods kept up gimics only the factory has like the big doors and pipes

[nimble patrol]

yeah they made all the tiles i do all the Combing and code

[analog drift]

Bet

[nimble patrol]

they are in the credits of the mod in the thunderstore

[thin portal]

Ye, I don’t have the mod tag in this server since only one of us could post the thread lmao
Edit: finally got it

[analog drift]

Yee just making sure everyone devving is kept in the loop

[nimble patrol]

[bright lark]

ngl @nimble patrol

I saw hints at the damn rats

I didn't expect them to be scannable

[nimble patrol]

ye i added it

[bright lark]

I shat a mini brick opening a door and scanning - only to see a red-tagged item

a red-tagged entity

moving at me

[nimble patrol]

😅

yeah i should make it a different color

or a different scan all together

[winged coral]

No keep it

Fear the rats

Also all the harmless entities are still red

[nimble patrol]

also they might be harmful at some point

[bright lark]

omg

make em to where if they randomly meet up with each other

and group up into a pair of like 7 or 8 - like baboon hawks

they swarm you

[nimble patrol]

yep that i what i am working towards

[bright lark]

Are they killable atm?

I didn't try to smack that rat

[nimble patrol]

not at moment i tried to get to work i need some more coliiders and stuff to detect it

only have one so they don't fall thur floor lol

[bright lark]

maybe make it where they can't be killed alone, and can't open doors

but if they group up into that pack of 5-6, they become a smackable entity

takes like a smack or two to kill the group off

[nimble patrol]

ye like they gain HP

[bright lark]

they could be silent killers cause they don't make noise afaik

also talking about this - I cannot not show this

oh ffs UMG...

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Well then I'mma rip the damn video - and instead of allowing the video to obtain a lovely view, I'mma just have it as a taken video =- =... Great outcome UMG

[nimble patrol]

😅

[bright lark]

(also, that movie is fucking good - if it ever needed praising from me)

[still quarry]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Transform.get_position () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000)
MoreInteriorsDunGen.RatAI.RatAI.Move () (at <d8256b99c60749ca870887beb5400947>:IL_0032)
MoreInteriorsDunGen.RatAI.RatAI.Update () (at <d8256b99c60749ca870887beb5400947>:IL_0014) gives me this error on any moon that does not have the bunker

[versed marsh]

#1181019013409677312 message

[vagrant aurora]

(I honestly thought Encanto was okay, but it was way too predictable overall)

[simple cipher]

i get that, but i feel as though the vanilla interiors are actually purposefully designed in a way that makes them easier to navigate, rather than more confusing

[latent isle]

i'm getting a massive framedrops

[thin coral]

You're making a rat king entity?

[latent isle]

?

i dont know what happed i just saw 1 rat then puf my fps dropped from 80 to 25

[thin coral]

Nono, talking to major lol

Though your problem does need attention

Send your logs

[latent isle]

where can i find the logs?

[thin coral]

Thunderstore, settings, log

[queen thistle]

black plague update

[nimble patrol]

Ye I am gonna do a patch and remove rats for now since I need to do some fixes

Since they don't depsawn at end of round

Which is causing performance issue

I thought I did enough testing but it wasn't enough this time sorry for the inconvenience will have a patch today was working on it yesterday

[nimble patrol]

Ok I think I might have a work around

[nimble patrol]

Ok I found a work around instead of spawned rats I am just gonna have them placed in will have update today

This way still get rats but are are destroyed with the scene when leaving instead of being loaded constantly

Will also make a config so you can adjust how many rats are in

[drifting cloud]

We'll totally eventually get the Rats Man

A man made of rats

Like... spiders man. The spiderman made of spiders.

[nimble patrol]

LOL

How many rats would be good to start at I had it at 10

[drifting cloud]

Rats just decide to make their own .io game

Everytime they combine rats together they just become a new rat entity

[nimble patrol]

Oh would be hilarious

[drifting cloud]

Also 10 would be good yeah. You mean for default spawnrate right? Or rats needed to go rattack mode?

(Masa is unstoppable)

[nimble patrol]

For just default rats in map

[quiet storm]

So is MoreInteriors functional on the latest version or is it unstable? I ask simply due to the errors people have been posting

[nimble patrol]

Like would be 10 out of 10 would be setting. then. You can change from that to 20 out of 10

[nimble patrol]

It is stable just performance issue but I goes away when you leave and go back to lobby

[quiet storm]

Gotcha

[nimble patrol]

Also update patch coming today I want to say within the next 4 hrs

[quiet storm]

roger

[nimble patrol]

Hopefully only a little over an hour

[drifting cloud]

Yeah 10's good

Also with that number in mind, for rat evolution you could have
:Rat (1) -> Rat Gang (3+) -> Rat King (6+) -> Rats Man (10) maybe, but that's just an ideaaaa 👀

[nimble patrol]

Yeah that could be good

Like if it has different states

[drifting cloud]

Rat is rat
Rat gang is just rats but they murder you
rat king is a pile of rats but they are stuck
Rats Man is uhh uhh RUN

O yeah, could also use it for names of different states. You could treat the Rat King & the Rats Man as a entirely different entity though 👀 The Rat King being like a rat swarm gone wrong but still a node for rats to converge into the eventual Rats Man, and the Rats Man being like this.. humanoid swarm of rats that could maybe act like a Jester/Ghost girl mechanically? The Rat King could be a good indication of 'Rats Man is happening soon guys'

Going crazy with this idea in Masa's head sorry 😭

[nimble patrol]

Yeah I can

Had only current state is hiding and none

[drifting cloud]

Rat & the gang

[quiet storm]

Rat log spam still continues outside the map

[nimble patrol]

Yes update today to fix issue

Within a couple hours

[quiet storm]

Oh right, I only mentioned because it continued post orbit

:Deadge:

nw

[nimble patrol]

Yeah that is when it happens cause they are spawned in and still loaded behind scene

[gray lance]

Aww

[knotty garnet]

I'm seeing everyone having issues with the Rats but I have had none D:

[still quarry]

For me it was not issue it was just the fact that there was errors in the logs

[knotty garnet]

No I mean the errors 😛 I load into bunker, I see literally 20 rats running everywhere and not a single ai error for me I am kinda confused, feel left out! D:

[still quarry]

It happened for me when its not a bunker and or im outside

[knotty garnet]

Ah yes you're right, it's when you're not inside the interior now I see ^^

Snail also struggling to target me :<

:3

[nimble patrol]

Ye almost done will be another little bit

Ye it only happens when you leave the bunker planet

[knotty garnet]

Yeah was fine on first visit but second time, yeah it happens haha 😄

[nimble patrol]

Also adding new debris for floors and generation

[knotty garnet]

ooooo tasty :3

[nimble patrol]

Currently waiting for lunch at work to just hit upload really lol

[knotty garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-gifs-bb16-big-brother16-caleb-reynolds-judy-chops-gif-15488154

Haha

[nimble patrol]

More Interiors [2.4.0] - Major_And_Skiz

2.4.0

• Fixed Rats
• Added Changes to Generation more Connections
• Added FX to tiles

FX like more grime and props around tiles bottles and bullet shell, puddles, blood

just to name a few

Fix for rats is currently just
Have them in level rather then spawned and when I fix spawn and behavior will do a update to that

Which it may desync rats locations since they aren't not spawned it
But the amount is low like between 10 to 20

Have tested the performance they are good because Mesh's are instanced so it won't have to load Mesh's for each rat just loads 1 time then so that way I can scale up if I need to
Only thing that would eat CPU is the processing for AI

But all they do current is move and find spots which is low on performance

But haven't had map dip below 50 fps with testing working on getting performance

Also I think our map is the most optimized for texture and material size
It is barely under 20 mb

[winged coral]

Probably dumb idea: rats ocassionally "sip" (small sound cue) blood puddles when walking over them. It's probably more effort than worth any sort of payoff but could lead to some WTF moments by particularly observant players

Might not even make sense tbh

[nimble patrol]

Yeah that could be possible but all new behavior I am gonna have to through test so we don't get bad errors like before

[winged coral]

I don't know if IRL rats would even sip blood

[nimble patrol]

Couldn't believe I forgot to add a depsawn for the rats

[winged coral]

oh lol. That explains some things

[nimble patrol]

With the first upload of the rats

[reef raptor]

is anyone having issues with loading bunker? i set the rate to 99999 on assurance it works on ver 2.2.0 but not 2.3.0 or 2.4.0

[honest lion]

the config format changed to require a : between the moon name and the weight in 2.3.0, so like from "vow99999" to "vow:99999"

[bright lark]

Have them only spawn if something else spawns. I don't see the rats strong enough to bust open a vent, but a creature could - then a rat follows suit in 3-5 seconds. Could be a miniature hint to a player early seeing a rat crawl around to tell them "Hey, a creature is somewhere on the level". But also - the rats could do the whole pack-thing and harm a player, or maybe just a single rat is enough to at least eat a dead player's body, the more rats on the body the quicker it gets eaten. Eventually the bodies could get eaten down to bones (But still teleported/transported to the ship).

[reef raptor]

Thank you! this worked now i can enjoy the rats

[nimble patrol]

Yeah I changed it so you can add moons with numbers in them
Like Outpost31:99999

Should I just add a section for all standard Lethal Company moons

Like I did for Outpost31

[quiet storm]

I do not like the floor debris

It's kinda why I hate the sewer from scoopy

Not that my opinion matters much

I mean, the bottles were fine

But the blood and casings were distracting

Even in the vanilla facility, the bottles are a nuisance when you're quickly skimming
So nothing personal

[nimble patrol]

Your opinion matters and I will be making adjustments to the tiles going forward wanted to test it once before making adjustments

[quiet storm]

For sure
I like the aesthetic idea but current state, too much

[nimble patrol]

Gotcha I tried to make the blood rare so you don't see it slot

[quiet storm]

Oh it was everywhere I'm like who died here lmao

[nimble patrol]

Maybe I need to make it a 10% Chance

I could change it to be something else instead of blood will change some ideas

[winged coral]

I like the blood though, it's like... oh....

Oh no

[nimble patrol]

Ye when I go forward and add body's or skeletons will make it so you get like a scene of dead body's for tiles rather random blood

Was testing to see how well if fits and or what to change

[nimble patrol]

One Idea I had for certain rooms was to have a blood trail lead to a corpse but the blood amount needs to be lowered I think

I think it's like 2 out of 5 tiles gets it

I think I might focus more on wall blood then floor blood

[quiet storm]

The casings were honestly the bigger problem because it was like ooh shiny but as the blood, spawns a bit too much

I constantly double check in vanilla floors in the maze because sometimes there's certain aspects of the floor that looks like a key lmao

[nimble patrol]

Yeah was working on ideas for armory and shooting range tile was testing with case shells

[quiet storm]

Perhaps, if you do that then
Shells in the armory area specifically

I think that would be a good compromise

[nimble patrol]

Will rework the shells and blood to be less on ground only like maybe 1 FX

[quiet storm]

Shells scrap?

Sounds good

[nimble patrol]

I think I will just do a 1 in 7 chance for FX and make it just like 1 item type per tile

[quiet storm]

That sounds more appealing

Sorry for the abrasive start
Been a day

[nimble patrol]

No shells just like this

5% blood
80% bottle
30 % wire
40% puddle

And then walls I will need to figure out

I will just have items on the sides and only 1 per selection

[nimble patrol]

Ye no problem thanks for the input looking to make it better

[drifting cloud]

100% blood room

😩

[nimble patrol]

LOL just like a 5 percent for the barracks to be covered in blood lol

[drifting cloud]

A complete massacre lol

Call it the red room

100% bottle is just the drunken party room

100% puddle is...

Wait like, puddle of water? LMAO

[nimble patrol]

Yeah cause like moisture

[drifting cloud]

We went from red room to wet room

[nimble patrol]

No puddle is only for hallways

But I guess you can use it to look like spilled beer

[drifting cloud]

o

Lmao

[nimble patrol]

I might go with that actually

Lol

[drifting cloud]

A little bit of booze spilling

Can't wait for the eventual update that adds the 'Rad Red Threaded Wet Rats Man'

[nimble patrol]

Lol

[drifting cloud]

A drunk wet rats man who sipped blood, got coiled in thread and now has the apparatus in its 'chest'

Least customized Dark Souls character:

[vagrant aurora]

Oh jesus Major

5 rounds later: 1 billion rats loaded into memory

[nimble patrol]

Yeah most of the stuff I dealt with before was just scrap which had its own despawn method

With the AI uses a different way which I was not up to knowledge about

[vagrant aurora]

Fair lmao

Just poking a bit of fun, cuz it's funny

Hehe

[patent shore]

Do you mean modded moons?

because I think that's a great idea

[nimble patrol]

I could for each of the moons I know but will test it out see what works

[patent shore]

that'd be awesome

I think interior devs adding defaults for a bunch of modded moons would be a great trend

since people often play with both and may not know to configure them

[nimble patrol]

actually looks really good for the bear spill in the test lol

[drifting cloud]

Lets gooo

We love spilling alcohol in this household

[honest lion]

playing with the new version and i gotta agree with what was said before, those new casing and wires lying around really trick you into thinking there's items on the ground where there isn't.

also maybe in the future having a config option to turn off the rats would be nice too. while they're cute ambiance they hurt my friend's much older system's performance for no real reason in an otherwise fine interior

[nimble patrol]

Oh they shouldn't be that much bad for performance

And yes I have adjusted the stuff on ground for next update today
Made it way less on ground gonna do more wall or ceiling stuff

Thanks for input

Definitely need to add config for the rats

[shell bloom]

need to let us strip copper wire out of the walls like real scavengers 😈

[nimble patrol]

LOL

[deft bear]

Was there a change made to the apparatus room, perhaps? Last update I played was totally fine performance-wise, but looking in a certain direction (which I think the apparatus might've been in, didn't get that far though) made my fps absolutely tank.

[nimble patrol]

No change to apparatus room
Will look into it
Was it a lot of fps drop

[deft bear]

Looking in that direction I was going from like 50 to 15 lmao.

[nimble patrol]

Hmm

[honest lion]

should also mention, 3 rats were in the area we were standing when it dropped that low

[deft bear]

Granted I have a really poor rig, but it was perfectly fine before.

[nimble patrol]

Ok will check

[deft bear]

Thank you c:

[nimble patrol]

Will drop rats down to lower amount make config to adjust for more so it is better performance
I think it is because rats searching for points for too long

Also will adjust level too

[vagrant aurora]

Mfw game broke cuz rats

[nimble patrol]

oh

yeah lol

[violet dust]

it feels like since the LLL update i cant get this moon anymore..

dungeon*

same with scoopys interiors

[nimble patrol]

i have also changed the config format for moons

instead of offense300 it would be offense:300

with the : symbol

[violet dust]

it can just be set to all though right?

[nimble patrol]

no

all doesn't work

working on fix for that

Experimentation,Assurance,Vow,Offense,March,Rend,Dine,Titan

put that in moons list section

and then you can just adjust the rarity of for all moons i did a bigger slider so you can overide

@violet dust
but if you set it between
100 to 300 will be good range
if you still want other dungeons to appear

@violet dust just putting in these in moon list
Experimentation,Assurance,Vow,Offense,March,Rend,Dine,Titan
then just moving slider sets to all these that rarity

or you can type in on the right

me making map more performance better by LOD Groups

💀

now it will stop rendering from far way

just trying to make it smooth as possible for gameplay and performance

[wicked totem]

Will this conflict with cull company?

[nimble patrol]

good question but i think it won't do it but will test

since LOD is different from Occulusion culling

[vast crypt]

Love these interiors but the scale of the halls and rooms tends to make danger very low so my group chose to remove it. I feel the narrower the interior the more the horror and feeling of having to watch over your shoulder after seeing a bracken can happen

I saw a bracken in the bunker and never lost sight of him lost where he was in relation to me

[nimble patrol]

ye looking to adjust the rooms and things it will be getting better and more detail also we are getting a different tile set the sewer

[deft bear]

bracken is just easy to deal with regardless of the map lol the openness of some of the rooms does lend itself better to other enemies though. Thumpers in particular are a pain to deal with, and turrets are incredibly scary to run into, especially when your only salvation is a mad-dash away. Could also see nut crackers being a nightmare, though I've never encountered them in the bunker because of my settings.

[nimble patrol]

also adjusting connecting hallways and tunnels for better gameplay

[vast crypt]

I did notice that in the latest changelog!

That is a very nice sewer! Although it is a little funny that Scoopys is also adding a sewer next ha.

[nimble patrol]

ye looking to find a good balance for interior this other one will be an improvement
also looking to add a rat king and more enemy types

for bunker specific stuff

it is slow to update but i keep on it best i can

[vast crypt]

Rat king sounds like it'll either be terrifying or hilarious. likely both due to Lethal Company. Can't wait to see it!

[nimble patrol]

@vast crypt latest revision of the tiles adds more turns on straights so you get more loops and not just dead ends anymore will have looting rooms to check on branches that end
revised it to be smaller too
also there is the overide in the config too

setting this to 1 or any other number like 0.8 will change the length so you can make it to match play style

but thanks again for checking out mod

ye thumper is main reason adding more turns along with straight aways

[deft bear]

Really appreciate your dedication to making these interiors as good as they can be. It really shows!

[nimble patrol]

[honest lion]

I guess speaking of turrets, i know in a previous update you added collision to those metal sheets to prevent turrets from shooting through them, though it seems ones on the sides of bunk beds (and the beds themselves) can still be shot through. had a pretty nasty turret that kills two of us around a corner the other day lol

also yeah, i think this is probably the highest quality interior mod out there at the moment. it never gets boring to play :)

[nimble patrol]

gotcha i think the turret is able to see between the bunk bed will see about how to adjust that

[dusky karma]

sexy

[violet dust]

When can we expect the config patch ?

[nimble patrol]

i am hoping within the next few days i am slow on the config stuff lol

but the rats and stuff will be reduced and performance increased with in the next hour or so

[nimble patrol]

the stuff i did was massive performance boost it stayed around 60 to 90

fps

[nimble patrol]

More Interiors [2.5.0] - Major_And_Skiz

2.5.0

• Performance Update Added LODS
• Reduced Rats for now
• Changed Generation for even better exploration

so now no matter how big or small it is performance friendly

didn't realize until 2.25 map generation how bad it can get

[nimble patrol]

it works with cull company
now bunker should be getting 60 fps all the time
on more machines

[dusky karma]

hero.

You are turning the bunker into my favorite Interior mod

[gray lance]

I know it's a bigger ask but it would be rad if it were possible via a shader or some other effect to have a couple of environmental overlays that might be sprinkled on the interior, like e.g. a frosty / cold / snowy kind of effect for situations like Outpost 31 or other snowy moons. It works as a catch-all as-is, I don't know how tenable something like that might be but it came to mind with the Outpost 31 official-interior aspect.

[junior zodiac]

I feel like that’s more something to ask individual modded moon creators

[nimble patrol]

I definitely want to do some kind of particles or effects I don't know what exactly just had the thought for a while ago

Definitely in more of the map stuff would be fun to do that stuff also would help being able to set up stuff for the future like the next tile set

[timber basalt]

can we not set the interiors to just spawn on all moons? i only can have it set to "list"

never mind i read back some messages lol

[timber basalt]

ty!

[nimble patrol]

Working on definitely making config better

[timber basalt]

thats okay, i just didnt know. I kept putting "all" and it kept resetting it to "list" lol

[knotty garnet]

It's alright @nimble patrol I always understood 😄

[nimble patrol]

LOL I try and make it easy to understand

[remote topaz]

Hello!
By any chance is there a way to eliminate the rats from the dungeon?
It seems that rats do not allow other creatures to appear in this type of dungeon

[knotty garnet]

What they preventing from spawning?

[remote topaz]

It looks like, no creature spawned on Assurance besides rats

[vagrant aurora]

Could be rng, I'm pretty sure they're not coded to be actual enemy spawns

So I'd double test just to be sure

I'm no expert so I could be wrong

[vast crypt]

Bunker override is always forcibly set to -1 at launch

[knotty garnet]

Monster spawns work absolutely fine here :S literally every vanilla creature to all modded.

[remote topaz]

Hmm, I'll check again

That's strange

[nimble patrol]

Enemies do spawn just unlucky with placement gonna increase the vents to allow them to have more variety of spawn locations only have 7 - 10 vents

But I think I should up it too 15 to 20 since I think they use them as travel points too

Working on config for rats tho

Early moons do have low chance of lots of enemies spawning

Will adjust to increase vents might give more travel to and chances for enemies to move about

Average size of bunker is 46 tiles

So it could be they are further in

[winged coral]

The energy core is cursed

I have no other conclusion

This is the second time I pulled it and the second time I died

I do not accept criticism

[vagrant aurora]

The bunker is hell to navigate sometimes, I had a ||cursed Bunny Ears|| from AdvancedCompany playing music in the distance and COULD NOT FIND IT for the life of me, but once I died I went into spectator, and there they were, right below a Snare Flea, with a very clear path to it

[remote topaz]

I see, but in my 1st match in Experimentation, it spawned more than 5 creatures.
In my match of Assurance, it didn't spawned anything but rats

But I'll make a 2nd check

[winged coral]

I barely escaped the fire exit past a bunker spider... only to fall to my death seconds later in the rush to escape the meltdown

[vagrant aurora]

Wait, fall to your death?

Where did you manage to fall inside the bunker

Did the bunker add a parkour room I don't know about

[winged coral]

Outside...

[vagrant aurora]

oh

[nimble patrol]

Yes agree but rats aren't spawned in a moment they don't take up enemy spawn pool but I will make adjustments
Maybe if I double vents will help

[remote topaz]

Thx!

[winged coral]

I'm just concluding that the energy core is cursed

[nimble patrol]

Cursed indeed lol

Also I will see if I can line up fire exits to be middle and end of map gen

Make it more possible to have different exit points

[glacial maple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JajYy2Swmoc

[winged coral]

That, but it was the assurance pipe I was jumping onto but I had no stamina. I think because I was critical from the spider

I just had no idea how long before the kaboom so I assumed I was seconds away from death. Turns out I was, just... not from the fireball.

[nimble patrol]

😂

i saw this before it is still great

[winged coral]

Bunker can be a nightmare to navigate at the best of times

Not a bad thing

Just need to get gud

[glacial maple]

i think the peter griffin in the thumbnail really sells it

[nimble patrol]

working on a storage or workshop area was looking at these to fit the theme and maybe over head catwalk area
but don't know if it would work for what we are doing

may not be added just might mess around with my copy of the mod gonna make all kinds of cool stuff with it

[simple yoke]

What would cause this?

[kind stump]

Are you using CullFactory?

[simple yoke]

Bingo

I guess i should not 😛

[kind stump]

Ahhh that's unfortunate, might be worth mentioning in that mod thread, it used to have this sort of thing happen in lc_office but that got fixed, I'm sure the same can be done for it to play nice with MoreInteriors!

[stable minnow]

I remember my very first lc_office experience was when I had cull factory. Was very confused as to why the lobby area just didn’t load in lmao

[simple yoke]

I have now posted it there. 😄

[kind stump]

I do recall Major adding something to do with room rendering now that I think about it, I don't know if that has been implemented yet but I remember reading that it wouldn't cause a conflict 😅

Yeah

v2.5.0 performance update added LODS

Might be not working as intended with CullFactory 😅

[minor pagoda]

W

[nimble patrol]

Yeah could be conflict with cull factory maybe will see if settings cause it should only culll when looking away hmm

[nimble patrol]

Thanks for the report will look into it would be nice if there is a setting to just allow or change with mod

Yeah cull factory is somehow override my culling lod or some in-between stuff hmm will take a look

Would be nice if I could set up occlusion areas but that can only be done if it is in scene which tiles are generated

[nimble patrol]

Is it just while in stairs it does it ?

[simple yoke]

Its the only place I have seen it so far. This is just an assumption however. I believe it might not have something necessarily to do with the specific tile. This particular interior only had three paths. One left from the entrance, one right and one straight. The left and right were very short. The one in front of the door went very very far. I felt that it happened as soon as I reached a certain distance from the door.

The main door

Again just an assumption

[shell bloom]

@nimble patrol we could use more ominous glowing technology within the bunker/facility 👀

[nimble patrol]

Yeah no worries I will see if I need to bump up the distances

[nimble patrol]

Oh nice interesting 🤔

[muted niche]

I have a certain understanding that coomfydungeons is not compatible with custom interior mods?

[shell bloom]

broken and flickering terminal screens/monitors would go hard as well (i think I suggested that already tho 🤔 )

[nimble patrol]

Yes from what I have tested coomfydungeon hasn't worked for interiors

[nimble patrol]

It also hasn't been updated either for 2 months

[muted niche]

Interesting, by incompatible what are we talking about? Simply not working, game breaking or?

[muted niche]

Yeah I also saw that

[nimble patrol]

Yeah not working

[muted niche]

Alright

[nimble patrol]

Causes it was made on version 47 of game and didn't update with game

[muted niche]

Yeah makes sense

[nimble patrol]

Are you looking to adjust dungeon size ?

[muted niche]

Not exactly, I am trying to find a mod that makes the dungeon generation more wide rather than deep/long. Something that adss several brancing paths, not just dead end, dead end and right way.

But its fine really i don't really care that much

Anyways, you single handedly have the best interior mod

[nimble patrol]

Yeah that is a problem for our map too I have been adjusting the tiles to connect and also give rooms for deads to explore
Definitely need more connecting type hallways and rooms

[nimble patrol]

I appreciate all feed back

Thank ye

[kind stump]

Blessed is the omnissiah, knows all, comprehends all

[thin portal]

If I was making a third tileset I’d definitely do something more scifi with lots of things that’d glow in the dark- but since the bunker’s kinda meant to be a 1915ish design, it’s a bit of a clash

[thin coral]

You design the tilesets for the mod?

[thin portal]

Yeye

[nimble patrol]

[thin coral]

Great job then! They're really good 😮

[nimble patrol]

New interior idea let's go

[thin portal]

Now hold on xD

[nimble patrol]

Sorry meant idea lol

Changed it lol

[thin coral]

Too late, wheres the new tile set

[nimble patrol]

😅

[thin portal]

Thanks! Obviously none of it would be possible without Major’s heavy lifting- I can make tiles in unity all I want but if it had just been me working on this mod I would have a bunch of tiles and would have given up on how to actually put them into lethal company- not to mention that I probably woulda uploaded it and never made any updates, Major’s extremely dedicated to keeping up with bugfixing and adding bits of polish after the fact

[thin coral]

That's what a partnership is all about!

[thin portal]

[nimble patrol]

Also would have taken twice as long if didn't have all of Skiz prefabs and assets being made. It has been a huge help to have help with this.

[deft bear]

Just popping back in to say latest update fixed any performance issues I had reported before. Thanks for the quick and awesome work you both do

[nimble patrol]

Glad to see it helped

[patent shore]

what's the name of the bunker's dungeon generator? just BunkerFlow?

[nimble patrol]

Yes

[tacit summit]

check your config for it first you might be able to get away with just turning up the distance

[shell bloom]

weekly reminder that a rusted out jeep would go hard as decor/detail 👀

[thin coral]

weekly remainder "i aint doin allat"

/jk

[simple yoke]

As you stated earlier. Coomphy dungeons does not effect modded interiors. Would this also apply to Weather Multipliers most likely?
Trying to weed out old mods that do not work.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Blorb/WeatherMultipliers/

[bleak chasm]

@nimble patrol scanning rats breaks the bestiary

[nimble patrol]

oh it does hmm

i am adding the missing stuff for the rats like the log entry

[nimble patrol]

can you take screenshot next time it breaks thank you

something i wrote up for log entry lol

[honest lion]

oh yeah we had that too. any time we used the 'bestiary' command in the terminal it would just say [currentscannedentitieslist] or something of the like, but wouldn't show the unlocked entity entries

but im pretty sure the shyguy scp does the same thing

[vast crypt]

Personally I love catwalks

[nimble patrol]

Ye I am needing to add entry to list fix the bug since it picks up but doesn't add will see how the dev who made the peepers add there logs

[shell bloom]

Interior Tile Idea: Rec Room / Athletics Space

Soldiers gotta get some free time too

• open space
• basketball hoops
• basketball scrap (bonus points for throwable)

[deft bear]

idk about basketball. Playing cards or maybe a pool table would make more sense for recreation.

[nimble patrol]

Need to figure out boids but for rats
https://youtube.com/shorts/X8LglXSG53A?si=7T2by-NvZrITqOEK

[versed marsh]

Can't you borrow something from Manticoils?

[patent shore]

i love boids

[patent shore]

https://youtu.be/bqtqltqcQhw?si=AnvaR3pGR5on9Xyr

Strongly recommend this video, its really enjoyable and high quality

it does deal with the 3d aspect which you may not need, but also obstacle avoidance which would be good

[nimble patrol]

Ye I love there videos

[nimble patrol]

Yeah was looking at how there code is written also same for hawks too

When I thought of how to implement rats I thought of dishonored rats and some other games

But not as chaotic

[winged coral]

Only if we get to draw cards

[shell bloom]

I was leaning more athletics space than straight up barracks rec-room, but honestly both/either would fit imo

though playing cards and such could already be done in the cafeteria or bunk rooms 🤔

[versed marsh]

Plague Tale

[nimble patrol]

Oh haven't played that will give it a look

[versed marsh]

That was more of a joke. The amount of rats in Plague Tale is ludicrous.

[drifting cloud]

Chanting in the background

ʳᵃᵗˢ ᵐᵃⁿ ʳᵃᵗˢ ᵐᵃⁿ ʳᵃᵗˢ ᵐᵃⁿ ʳᵃᵗˢ ᵐᵃⁿ

[winged coral]

SA2 Knuckles voice: "rats"

[swift tapir]

Maybe like a derelict ship a là star trek

[drifting cloud]

Still cant help but imagine something like Spiders Man but with rats. Hgggghhhh The Rats Man

[sharp viper]

From my testing, it seems that setting weights per-moon with the list doesn't work in the latest version, all moon weights get set to the "BunkerRarity" field.

[nimble patrol]

did you separate the moon name and rarity with the < : > colon symbol like this Kast:400

i had changed the formating from old config

to allow for number moons

like astroid13:300

[sharp viper]

Ah, that'd do it. The comment didn't update when the config file did, so I didn't realize the formatting was different

[nimble patrol]

ye no worries

i added in the change log when i did do it

[sharp viper]

Must have just missed that then, my bad

[knotty garnet]

My brain o.o

[graceful quiver]

It just froze for some reason

[vagrant aurora]

Rat broke

[wicked totem]

whats the hud stuff you got on the bottom left for the voice chat? thats not AC right?

[graceful quiver]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/quackandcheese/ToggleMute/

[wicked totem]

That include the loudness meter?

[graceful quiver]

No

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/extraes/LethalLoudnessMeter/

[wicked totem]

awesome, thank you!

[graceful quiver]

np

[nimble patrol]

ye i am refining it

here is my latest test working on making them do follow the leader then gonna add state change to aggressive and add cheese can be used to either have them find you scrap or not attach

basically like this for rat behaviour

• Passive search
• Rats get near another little more aggro
• more rats get more aggressive or they disperse
• Cheese makes calm
• Cheese can make them help find items

[bright lark]

Oh my god 😅

The rat arc

[nimble patrol]

will make it performance friendly just gonna see what is a good amount

[kind stump]

Aggressive rats? Yes-yes?

[versed marsh]

No.

[kind stump]

The Skaven are coming whether you like it or not, we're approaching the end times

[vital knoll]

Bunker is unfortunately still spawning too much loot for me. It spawns more than the moon's max scrap amount making it impossible to balance with other interiors on the same moon. For example on a moon with max scrap amount 10 I'm actually getting around 15 scrap (without counting bee hives). I'm still on MoreInteriors 2.1.0 due to this.
I guess you are spawning the guaranteed bunker specific scrap on top of the other loot..? Higher rarity for your scrap items is totally fine with me but a config option to disable touching scrap amount would be greatly appreciated!

[fleet cypress]

ratatouille might become real soon in lethal lool

[drifting cloud]

The rat expansion

[nimble patrol]

Ye I am working on the scrap config stuff it was intentional to have bunker only scrap if I could just have it spawn only on item class would be great if it did but working on new scrap and way to reduce or change stuff with config

I am not a pro coder so it takes a while to research and implement changes since I don't want to break mod and have to revert patch

[nimble patrol]

But thanks for input I am working on balancing interior stuff

[nimble patrol]

Also wasn't a issue at start of doing this cause item class stuff was broke for a while

So it was generally lower scrap for bunker overall

[dusky karma]

huh

[drifting cloud]

rat sighting

[dusky karma]

Invisible rat

[drifting cloud]

THe invisible rat

🐀 🦸

[winged coral]

Greeaat. Just what we need. Rats with super powers

What's next, rats running a restaurant?

[nimble patrol]

😂

[vagrant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-animation-comedy-ratatouille-cheese-gif-5100422

[simple yoke]

@nimble patrol So the Mimic mod added support for modded interiors. In the config it explained it may not work with all interiors by default.

Found a compatibility problem.

When it tries to populate a fire escape spawn point on Bunker two issues are apparent.

Any fire escape with a pathway behind it will show the Hidden mimic monster and its bounding box.
This could be corrected by not allowing these spawn locations if the mod is detected, or by not having an escape corridor back on to a path.

It also seems to not scale the doors properly, which also seems to not allow the background to populate properly.

[blissful cloud]

does LLL still cause issues with modded moons?

[nimble patrol]

Oh interesting

[left hamlet]

they fixed all the moons being free but there can still be bugs with modded interiors but i rarely see bugs other than someone not loading in and being stuck in a falling loop

[nimble patrol]

From wut I have experienced the issue is resolved

[left hamlet]

yeah the only issue ive had is someone falling through the ground over and over again when they try to enter rarely but thats LLL causing that

also the mimic mod works on this interior for me idk what issues people had

rats are fire fr

[nimble patrol]

Will check out the mimic mod to see if compatibility

But thanks for all the feedback and bug reports

[deft bear]

Falling through the ground upon entering the facility is usually because of mismatched config files. Not because of LLL itself, at least in my experience.

I've had no noticeable issues with LLL in the time I've played this past week.

[nimble patrol]

Hoping to get project on git
For more dev issue compatibility stuff

[left hamlet]

ig thats makes sense but even with the same interiors weights we have had this problem once before

this interior is infamous with my friends for being a thumper nightmare since its so open

[nimble patrol]

@left hamlet Did you know the format for the moon change with version 2.3.0 update

From Kast500 -> Kast:500

With a : to separate the moon and rarity

For my interior at least

[left hamlet]

idk what thats means tbh we just use the config editor in thunderstore

[molten owl]

is there not an ALL option for spawning now? @nimble patrol

[left hamlet]

oh

i know what you mean

you meant for mons

i never knew the format tbh i always just put free, all, or modded

good to know though

[nimble patrol]

I have removed it for now working on fix currently only list is only option

[molten owl]

it seems like even with list it spawned on a modded moon

even tho i didnt have that moon in the list

which im fine with but lol

[left hamlet]

say i wanted it spawn on a modded map like aquatis what i put the ingame name "Aquatis" or the internal name "112 Aquatis"

[nimble patrol]

Aquatis

[left hamlet]

okay

so it would be like "Aquatis:150"

[nimble patrol]

It should be what the name is in the monitor in the ship

[left hamlet]

gotcha

[nimble patrol]

Yes

Aquatis:150

👍

Experimentation, Assurance,Vow,Offense,March,Rend,Dine,Titan

Here is for other moons

[left hamlet]

okay im probably gonna make it stick to more desert or dusty moons where it fits more in my opinion

[nimble patrol]

Also if you don't put a value you can use slider for overall rarity if moon names

[left hamlet]

oh

thats way easier

if i do put a number does the slider overide it

[nimble patrol]

No it won't override

[left hamlet]

like if i had the slider at 300 and aqutis at 150 would aquatis be 300

[nimble patrol]

It would be 150

[left hamlet]

okay thanks alot

[nimble patrol]

The slider is like default settings And the moons list overrides for the moons default

[left hamlet]

does everyone have to have the same bunkerdungeonlist to prevent the LLL glitch or will it happen regardless or do you not know

[blissful cloud]

yaaay finally

something something peak back in the menu something something

[nimble patrol]

All other players need same list config setup

But you can share profile code and have them update profile

Will update config for them

[left hamlet]

gotcha

[nimble patrol]

I am still working on config syncing so that this happens less

[left hamlet]

okay this is more a problem with Lethallevelloader though since ive had this happen on 2 other interiors as well

[vagrant aurora]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like this is using the bounding box for the door, the same one you had to change the size of for functionality with CullFactory

@nimble patrol

In such a case, this seems like it might have to be fixed on the end of Mimic mod, by having the doors always be a standard size

[winged coral]

I love that mimics are being added to modded interiors now

I can't wait to find the energy core next to a door and die horribly

[simple yoke]

lol

[left hamlet]

the collision for these wall fence things are quite buggy and you can get stuck on it for like 3 seconds

[nimble patrol]

ye we added a spearate collider for them but might change how they look in the future

[nimble patrol]

ah gotcha will experiment with it

[vagrant aurora]

This is JUST a theory of course ^^

You're more game dev than I am

[nimble patrol]

👍

[terse acorn]

is there any way to clamp the size of the bunker interior?

I'm trying to set up Bunker to have a high chance of appearing on tier 2 moons (offense + march) but it tends to be too large for the amount of loot you can find, and I dont want to shrink down the regular dungeon size for the other interiors

if there's a way to shrink down the bunker interiors a bit it'd be amazing, I know you can do that with some of the other interiors but I dont know how hard that is to make work

[polar gust]

do rats have an entry in the terminal or no

and also what update where they added in I love theses little guys

their like manticoils but funny and everywhere lol

kind of wish it was its own mod so they could spawn everywhere

[vernal mirage]

Im also interested in this since I do the same thing (chance of bunker on offense/march)

[bright lark]

LethalLevelLoader

@terse acorn

set to true, and fiddle with these

There's also this

Go under config editor and find it like this. Enjoy :3

[terse acorn]

oh thanks! I really need to try to learn and understand LethalLevelLoader more

[vital knoll]

Toggle the second to true as well!
I recommend setting Max Size to 1 and then use scalar. That way you can still have bunker scale in size across moons. I think I'm using 1.25 for scalar.

[kind stump]

Hey Major, we had ultra lag on Titan with MI, I mean like 60fps down to 16-20, I've now made the dungeon setting for scale 0.7 for the time being but would it be possible to add in a min/max dungeon size option like what other interiors have? Not sure if it's down to the sheer dungeon size and monster navigating on titan or if the rats had something to do with it 🤔

[left hamlet]

you can change what planets it spawns on but ive never had any frame drops on rend at least

[kind stump]

Rend has an incredibly small dungeon multiplier of 1.2 to make up for the size of the rooms on mansion

And likewise, with titan being a silly 2.35x it's quite a pain

[nimble patrol]

@kind stump @vital knoll
I realized with what LLL setting are it overrides what the size I had intended it to be is not happening

Like with my generation in unity it was not as big as it is in game

With LLL config it doubles the size

I had it at most be 80 tiles

But LLL doubles it to 150 tiles

With there config options

I am gonna turn it down even more in unity

So it won't be as huge

[nimble patrol]

Is it just with my interior hmm

I optimize the crap out of it in 2.5.0

[kind stump]

Yeah we were getting SCP and that was fine, also i'm using LLL 1.1.4 due to the conflict with LethalQuantities on 1.1.5 and 1.1.6 😢

[nimble patrol]

Oh no wonder lastest uses 1.1.6

[vital knoll]

Is the lengthOverride in your config respected at all or does LLL override everything?
I've been using LLL config since their big update and I'm pretty sure I'm changing the size.

[kind stump]

Ohhhhhhhh

[nimble patrol]

I think LLL config overrides mine

I think baty said I would have to set defaults off to only have mine be separate from there config

[kind stump]

I just had a lot of trouble with them, I make some changes over LQ to add masked to global spawns, change powers of creatures and LLL just messes with that and breaks the terminal. I even tried to do my changes through LLL's configs but that just broke everything 😅

[nimble patrol]

Oh hmm

[kind stump]

I've raised a github incident on LLL, hoping something can be done because I really love LQ for changes

[nimble patrol]

Gotcha

But if you are using 1.1.4
The one for that is 2.4.0
But I would recommend cull factory since LODs aren't setup in 2.4.0

And frame drops can happen with big generation since it is not culled

All the way to ship

[kind stump]

Alright i'll downgrade and remove the cullfactory config for bunkergen, there's soo many interactions for these mods I feel sorry for anyone not maintaining their packs 😅

[nimble patrol]

For sure I try and not make big changes and I test at minimum it works for all standard moons and modded moons
I don't test with other mods like things that add to map like scrap
Or lethal quantities that manage how much is spawning

Since my main thing is just making sure interior works for just base everything like moons and other interiors

[nimble patrol]

Currently working on bug/features

Bugs

• Mimic doors not Scaling right
• Rat not synced to other players
• Sometimes Bracken gets stuck
• Masked enemy get stuck sometimes
• Scanning Rat Breaks bestiary

Config Changes

• Adjust dungeon Min and Max
• Config setting how much Army scrap spawns
• Config setting how many rats can spawn
• Config setting for rat aggressive meter so can be set to not aggressive

Features and updates

• Rat behaviors (Searching, Chasing, Scavenger, Calming, RatKing,)
• Sewer Tileset
• New Tiles for Bunker
• General Performance Tuning
• New Scrap Items
• Git Hub Push
• Rats code open source and Separate mod for thunderstore

After this stuff is done

will be slow to do updates and will just be big fixes and compatibility fixes

Gonna be making our own game 🙂

Feel free to keep sending bug reports

[reef lion]

rats were... aggresive ? o-°

oh no... they are gonna be

[simple yoke]

@nimble patrol

I also saw Masked getting stuck spawning out of grates. They have no AI and take no damage.

[nimble patrol]

Oh gotcha

[simple cipher]

this issue is not specific to this interior or mod

[nimble patrol]

Oh weird thanks for the report

[nimble patrol]

Ye they will have a chance to be aggressive but if you wait they should revert back to calm state

I am gonna make it so if they are close to more then 2 rats they aggro but if wait a set time they will either go back to calm or if more rats get close become rat king

[reef lion]

will we be able to kill them then ?

[dusky karma]

wait, so we should use LLL as the scaler and not The mod config itself?

[drifting cloud]

ʳᵃᵗˢ ᵐᵃⁿ

[nimble patrol]

Yes I am gonna make it able to kill rats

[reef lion]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-evil-plan-evil-smile-excellent-gif-5090669

[shell bloom]

I'd love a toggle to just have ambient rats rather than having to have beef with them 👀

[kind stump]

This was mentioned with Mirage, do you use the Mirage mod?

[simple yoke]

Yes

[kind stump]

Yeah it's a known issue with Mirage, just looking to narrow it down more if you can provide details to Barch in the mirage thread.

[fleet cypress]

I found rat today, and rat didn't seem to like me since i use fairAI it run over the mine that i avoided and detonated it 🥹

[simple yoke]

Unfortunately I do not have a log or other details to report. So far it was my first and only experience. Will keep a lookout now that I know about it.

[kind stump]

Yeah I'm not sure how far barch and co have troubleshooted but providing a pack code can help match and cross reference the mod conflicts

[nimble patrol]

Yes in config will have option to do that

They can be helpful from start too like grabbing small scrap and moving it to closer rooms

[fleet cypress]

are curcuit bees in the bunker normal

[waxen spoke]

Wait what?