sfDesat's Moons and Mods

[halcyon ermine]

Tolian will take over Aquatis, Celest and Orion directly. This means that you wont have to download a fork. He will update the mods directly through the sfDesat upload.

[covert pulsar]

I sees, sad to see ya go but thank you for all of your hard work
It's been really cool to see the changes to moons like Orion back when custom levels for Lethal were at its infancy with LethalExpansion and all that jazz

[tranquil girder]

👌

one of the pioneers of additional moons. i know Tolian will do great with their upkeep. afterall, he has a team thatll get any major reports in to him.

[wanton vessel]

Aquatis [2.2.2] / Orion [2.1.3] / Celest [1.1.3]

• Performance optimization
• Compatibility with the Hypick-BetterShotgun mod added
• desynchronisation problems fixed
• AudioReverbTrigger spam fixed
• OutsideAIPoints adjustment

[stray solstice]

daym

[tranquil tide]

nicee

[halcyon ermine]

I am changing what can happen to my mods. Forks are now only allowed after contacting me personally. Then you are allowed to upload a fork as long as it wont be monetized and there has been reasonable change (no reuploads/copies). Sourcecode is on the mod's github page. Sorry for the confusion

[main marlin]

Having any of the moons enabled make the game unplayable to me and friends

When we try to start a new game (or loading a save), we're thrown in a black void with an interact prompt but no way to move/interact, can't even press esc to quit the game.
Modded HUD parts are also missing (ReservedItemSlot, InsanityDisplay, AccurateStaminaDisplay, etc)

[tranquil girder]

do you have both Tolian Moons AND sfDesat [moons] installed? if so, uninstal the latter. Aquatis, Orion, and Celest are all included with Tolian's pack now

[main marlin]

Thanks, I guess that makes sense seeing the previous message 😄

I'll relay the info to my mates!

[tranquil girder]

👍

[halcyon ermine]

this is just a small update for Celestial Tint that I forgot to upload a couple weeks back.

Celestial Tint [1.5.0]

• Added planet transition animation
• Added starmap during planet transition

[ripe reef]

the desire to have Celestial Tint with this background and the boredom of possessing when it comes true

[frigid topaz]

@boreal hill I wonder if you can add a bool toggle to ship windows now for hiding the transitions cus I wanna see it lol

[twin cosmos]

lel

[halcyon ermine]

@boreal hill i think this is probably possible, you would need to instance an object that has a volume with a visual enviroment set to physically based sky and a physically based sky component with ONLY the starmap cubemap filled. Then set the priority a bit higher. I think that would override the one I use

[boreal hill]

Hmmm, will have a look at this

[halcyon ermine]

just make a prefab with the volume attached and put it in an assetbundle. Then just load the bundle and instance it only when SampleSceneRelay is loaded and its the only one loaded.
i did the loading only on SampleSceneRelay here

[boreal hill]

Done.

The light popping in and out of existence is now the only thing that might prevent you from disabling that option 🤷

[boreal hill]

Yeee, I've seen that

[halcyon ermine]

more mods than grains of sand on the earth

[ripe reef]

YO THAT'S SO COOL

loved it

[ebon talon]

(you should totes put the config option next to the one that already does it for landing on moons)

[boreal hill]

And that's only my testing modpack 🙂

[sinful bobcat]

Isn't that still hiding the leave animation?

[boreal hill]

Please watch the entire video 🤔

[granite crater]

did this update break fog...?

[boreal hill]

Hm?

[granite crater]

like there's no more fog

[twin cosmos]

did you tweaked something on the shipwindows mod (besides the toggle)?

[halcyon ermine]

i see

[boreal hill]

Only this:

[granite crater]

yeah-

that aside I like the transition animation :)

[twin cosmos]

idk why, but There's a black background after the windows open before doing the transition

[halcyon ermine]

hmm

[granite crater]

I thought I was going crazy when I saw that 😭

[boreal hill]

How 😭

Wasn't me though

Blame CelestialTint

[halcyon ermine]

i am at fault here

[ripe reef]

nah, i also saw that

or maybe we're going crazy

[granite crater]

better yet, how did test not get that

[ripe reef]

specs gap

[granite crater]

😭

[ripe reef]

does the author of PauseMenu_Lobby_Name have a mod-release chat?

i saw that mod and went to try it out

[boreal hill]

Idk 🤷

[ripe reef]

but it has a little bug with Lobby Control when you rename a lobby

but if you close and open again, it shows the correct name

smol issue

[granite crater]

Idk if they have a thread for that mod specifically but you can probably ask them at #1231988386093338646

[ripe reef]

oh

ok

[stray solstice]

sfdesat never gonna take a break, he's gonna keep finding bugs until its impossible to leave

[boreal hill]

[granite crater]

fog machine broke 😔

[halcyon ermine]

i have learned about some things that could convince me to stay, but that will take a bit

[stray solstice]

oh? i'd be interested to know if u dont mind saying 👀, would rather have u chilling with us, modding or not

if it's anything involving the company cruiser and moving platforms, i beat zeekerss to it 😎 (it's such torture making a vehicle)

[halcyon ermine]

i'd rather not say right now. I dont want to cause any confusion, because i dont even know if it will happen

[stray solstice]

okie, if its any cool modding projects i'd be down to help in advance :p i'm always trynna do the next crazy thing

[halcyon ermine]

i'll tell about it, when i know more about it

[stray solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-anya-spy-x-family-anime-salute-salute-gif-okey-dokey-gif-25700022

[halcyon ermine]

this took way to long,

Celestial Tint [1.5.1]

• Fixed fog on planets

[twin cosmos]

yay

[halcyon ermine]

that was an additional 100 lines of code lol

[twin cosmos]

wow

[granite crater]

HUH

[granite crater]

@wanton vessel @halcyon ermine I've noticed that Orion, Celest, and Aquatis now have a strange audio bug where some sounds such as the one you hear being outside near the ship is constantly heard no matter where you are and persists when entering the facility

and Aquatis' ambiance seems to be the worst offender of this from the looks of it

[boreal hill]

Everytime Celestial Tint Updates, my testing modpack breaks xd

[barren flare]

heyyy @wanton vessel

eclipse doesn't work on orion

🥺

[empty needle]

I think it doesn't work on other maps as well, cause they use physically based sky

[barren flare]

i'm gonna confirm if it's working on older versions and on vanilla

[empty needle]

I'm on the old version, it doesn't (at least on Aquatis)

[barren flare]

this is on 2.1.1

so i'm gonna assume it's just not working

[empty needle]

It's possible to achieve the eclipse look with the physically based sky by playing around with the surface/flare texture and color, I think one would just need to customize the sun animator to fix it.

[ripe reef]

@tardy grove sfDesat mentions how to do it = )

[tardy grove]

it will be config soon anyway :3

[barren flare]

umm

how do i say this

the eclipse is not working in vanilla

it has nothing to do with my mod

[empty needle]

Oh yeah, I didn't mean that, it was just a heads up for Tolian maybe he'll work it out with this info.

[barren flare]

alrighty 😅

[latent flax]

@wanton vessel hi so aquatis and celest are very fucky rn for me n my friend

whenever i select aquatis it shows as celest for them, when they select aquatis afterward it somehow changes to celest for me

okay so we pulled it when it shows as celest for me and it went to celest despire it saying aquatis for them

okay so the interior is synced

we both got facility

but the monitor was just fucked

ig

[frigid topaz]

I mean I'm kind of used to that, I'm just glad to see the transitions readded I missed them lol

[latent flax]

will drop my pack here in a moment

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this would require two players to test as i'd assume cause its me n friend

another thing we just departed from celest n now it says celest for both of us

so the only issue really is just the fact that selecting the moon is buggy ig

we got to celest for free like this lmao

[stray solstice]

im pretty excited for this change too, hoping it comes sooner than later

[frigid topaz]

The only thing I really dislike about CurseForge is that it's owned by Overwolf personally so the app is rather bloated but the revenue share stuff is nice

[halcyon ermine]

Yeah I thought that as well, but I downloaded CurseForge yesterday and I didn't need to install the Overwolf app

[latent flax]

nice to have you back lol

[stray solstice]

i would not count my chickens before they hatch

[frigid topaz]

I also hope this isn't gonna lead to a split in mods, meaning I hope mods will be posted on both platforms

[latent flax]

yeah as much as it would be nice to just have one mod loader

[frigid topaz]

Cus I feel like there's a lot of mods that exist right now that won't transition over

[latent flax]

i feel like a lot of people might have mods on one thing n not the other

[latent flax]

this exactly

[halcyon ermine]

This will probably happen for a bit. I will upload my mods on both. I think CurseForge will eventually overtake Thunderstore, but I hope it wont cause any mayor annoyances

[stray solstice]

mods will just be reuploadead by random people :p

most mods are MIT licensed

[frigid topaz]

Yeah but reuploads can always have code changes and stuff

[latent flax]

can i be reminded what the license means again btw

[frigid topaz]

A lot of people like to reupload stuff with malware attached

[stray solstice]

permissions u can give to other people about ur work ig

[latent flax]

i see i see

[halcyon ermine]

I think CurseForge does file review

[stray solstice]

curseforge isnt that slacking

lol

[latent flax]

can confirm

[stray solstice]

curseforge is probably better than thunderstore in that regard

it IS a bigger platform

[tropic pilot]

They do

[frigid topaz]

Ah good, so they have a virus checker and stuff like Nexus does

[latent flax]

i will definitely give it to curseforge updating stuff and having the update appear is definitely faster than thunderstore

where you update a mod then wait 30 minutes for it to actually appear

[arctic notch]

I think mods being uploaded to CF will take a very long time to get up to a pace that TS has now, but I'm wondering what this will mean for any sort of transitioning with modders

[frigid topaz]

Well in Thunderstore's regard it's more so the current mod managers that exist, I imagine the new one that's wip right now Gale might not be that slow

[arctic notch]

sometimes it's more than an hour

[latent flax]

ive never seen it be more than an hour my self

but proves my point further lmao

[halcyon ermine]

Lethal Company is not fully supported yet, but I tried uploading CT anyway. They have a Review process

[frigid topaz]

Nice

[stray solstice]

oh sick, what do you for dependencies though?

[arctic notch]

yeah I was gonna say. how will modpacks work lol

[stray solstice]

my only worry is the uploads of dependencies like lethallib

[frigid topaz]

It'll probably be a while yet before Curseforge gets support and gets all the mods that TS has tbh

[stray solstice]

i know the maintainer, so im not worried specifically about lethallib

[halcyon ermine]

LC categorie is not official supported yet. so a lot of things are missing or not working. Like i said they are activelly working on it, but its not done.

[latent flax]

i believe if you use the curseforge like application proper it downloads dependencies along with the mod

[stray solstice]

ic

[latent flax]

thats how it works for minecraft at least

...sometimes

well, no all of the time

as long as the mod auther actually makes it a dependency

[frigid topaz]

I'm surprised CurseForge was even interested in the game but then again the game took off massively

[latent flax]

and doesnt make the user have to look through 30 crash logs to find out that you gotta download a library it never mentioned lmaooo

[arctic notch]

CF took interest in Palworld almost immediately

[frigid topaz]

I just hope they don't give up on adding it tbh

Since there is a platform already that has a ton of mods

[halcyon ermine]

I think Thunderstore is owned by Overwold as well? So they would have two platforms host the same game. idk

i think thats why they didnt do it initially

[frigid topaz]

Nah Thunderstore isn't owned by Overwolf

Just the Thunderstore Mod Manager is

[latent flax]

dont mean to go off topic but still i hope tolian sees the thing i @'d them about, idk if anyone else had that issue but yea

unless you plan on taking back the reins sf then like i hope you saw it lol

[halcyon ermine]

we'll see what happens, i cant garuantee anything right now

[wanton vessel]

Seen it

[latent flax]

fair fair, completely understandable

also good good

[arctic notch]

hello moon man

[latent flax]

im a fucking bug catcher when it comes to finding issues idk why

anyways with that off my mind fully thinking about it, it'd be really cool to have like. curseforge have mods for lc

i always prefered curseforge's layout anyways

and if reuploading is allowed due to the licenses or whatever i think it would be fine, especially for like those niche mods that'll probably never get moved over like outfit mods from someone whos uploaded one thing

[arctic notch]

bepinex isn't on curseforge like at all huh 🤔

[halcyon ermine]

CF is still working on the Lethal Company page, its not officially launched yet

[latent flax]

only real issue i can think of is the fact that mod pack sharing isnt gonna be as easy as

copy code send code past code download

[stray solstice]

it'll be better no?

[arctic notch]

I have no idea how modding works so idk if bepinex is like just a thunderstore thing or whatever

[latent flax]

it'll be export pack send pack somewhere like a drive unless it small enough to be pasted into discord, download pack install pack into cf

or unless you wanna completely upload a mod pack which requires like a day or two for the mods to review it

[halcyon ermine]

i hope so. some features that thunderstore doesnt have; comment on modpage, more modpage customization, easier searching, images tab, automatic licensing

and more

[arctic notch]

I hope uploading onto curseforge is better

[latent flax]

nah not really, in terms of speed i mean, first upload at least

[tropic pilot]

You can also have an issues page which is neat

[latent flax]

idk it usually takes 2 days for a first upload to get approved if they accept it the first time

cause they like to be reallllll picky

"oh you gotta make a better title/description"

[stray solstice]

oh nooo you mean i cant have the page flooded with useless modpacks like 5gb of racoon videos???

:<<<

[latent flax]

i dont mean it like that

[arctic notch]

thats the best part of TS wym

[latent flax]

regardless, main point, takes a bit. not as fast as thunderstore

[halcyon ermine]

i think first time is slower, but we'll see when it officially launches

[latent flax]

Yeah first time then when you update it it goes by fast

[stray solstice]

also who even uploads things like bepinex onto a mod launcher?

[latent flax]

cause they know you're already approved so they have more trust in you and they review it way faster

[halcyon ermine]

i think the platform owner or it is already build in when you mod

[stray solstice]

maybe, ill have to ask hamunii or eba to upload lethallib onto curseforge later then

[latent flax]

again i do think this a big thing when it comes to cf vs ts

unless they've changed it recently or somn

havent modded mc in a while

it'd be awesome if they made a code thing like thunderstore has instead of just the export pack thing that'd be cool

especially if you're like testing shit with peeps n need to constantly change mods and switch stuff out

[south bloom]

i remember making 20 bucks off 15k download of a minecraft plugin on bukkit/curseforge
that was 10 years ago.. wonder how much they give now a days

[latent flax]

especially with peeps who are bad at directions and cant follow steps so when you try to tell then exactly what to do to have the same pack they somehow skip somn and break everything

(i love my friends but they're dumb)

(im also dumb.)

[south bloom]

i did not spend those 20 bucks wisely 😅 (spent it on gacha)

[latent flax]

did you at least pull something good

[south bloom]

there was a vocaloid collab event at the time

i got the whole crew 😎

[latent flax]

did you get hatsune miku

[south bloom]

yes

[latent flax]

money well spent i think

[south bloom]

the game doesn’t exist anymore

[latent flax]

.

money horribly spent we should throw ROCKS at you

https://tenor.com/view/tenor-skyblock-roblox-romance-romantic-gif-6136369269786468453

[halcyon ermine]

I saw an estimation of 1000 download to 1.7$

[south bloom]

🥹

[halcyon ermine]

but this differs greatly, CF has a hidden algorithm

[latent flax]

is that reaction towards the rocks or the money

[south bloom]

the rocks

[latent flax]

truly

anyways uh

honestly thinking about it FULLY fully i think i'll stick to crappy old thunderstore unless they add a better way of sharing mod packs

[south bloom]

personally looking to hop off thunderstore

[latent flax]

im glad tho that sf could be getting money and cash and deniro for his hard work

[south bloom]

it crashes often

[latent flax]

oh true yeah

[south bloom]

and feels slow

[latent flax]

yeah

yeah....

the code thing tho is like too good for me to not stay tho personally

connivence is where my heads at

[latent flax]

anyways but yeah, he deserves it for making aquatis

[south bloom]

im looking at r2modman or gale

[latent flax]

i fucking LOVE aquatis

[south bloom]

they use same profile codes as thunder store

[latent flax]

yea

i mean thunderstore and r2mod man are kinda the same

so i use them interchangeably

[south bloom]

no ads on r2modman tho right?

[latent flax]

yea no ads

[south bloom]

i have no ads thunder store any way since i got network wide ad blocking

[latent flax]

tho it occasionally crashes or freezes sometimes

[south bloom]

any crashing/frezing in r2modman?

[latent flax]

_ _

yes

[ripe reef]

A lot

Should give Gale a try, maybe it crashes less

[south bloom]

i was gonna consider it, but its too new for my liking. i will wait for it to be further developed. let the kinks get worked out.

[halcyon ermine]

its already a lot better than r2modman in terms of features, just a couple bugs left to fix

[jaunty lintel]

I was too late to respond I guess but I wanted to try and get stuff like Bepenix on curseforge before going public lol

[jaunty lintel]

They only started like 2 days ago so I wouldn't be worried

[halcyon ermine]

you can probably ask them

[jaunty lintel]

Yee i will

[tranquil tide]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-hello-i-like-money-interview-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10015058

holy shit i am moving to curse forge frame 1

[minor raptor]

just for the record, curseforge doesn't have the greatest reputation when it comes to respecting creators and their work (excuse the clickbaity title, it's an informative and concise video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhdwz5apiQQ

not sure how individual games are managed or if they're managed any differently but it is definitely something to keep in mind if you're considering moving exclusively to curseforge or dual-hosting

[jaunty lintel]

yeah well the person who stole my shit is coming back to the thunderstore so

it's moving from a shitty platform to a less shitty platform

everyone would love to go to modrinth

[barren flare]

umm, have you seen what's happening on thunderstore?

a guy blatantly copying my code and renaming all the classes uploaded the mod

i've asked (after confirming on modmail) for a take-down

[stray solstice]

i have a feeling i know where this goes

[barren flare]

and got a "the class names are different, it's not copied" response

i will not hesitate with jumping ship

[stray solstice]

which mod was copied?

[minor raptor]

i'm not saying it's better or worse, only that this is something people should be aware of before making their decision 🤷‍♂️

[jaunty lintel]

I think what it really comes down with is,

I can think of many reasons why someone might not like CurseForge.

I can't think of a single reason why someone might not like CurseForge that isn't also applicable for the Thunderstore.

[minor raptor]

agreed, unfortunately they only host minecraft mods

[halcyon ermine]

i dont think the thinks this video talks about matter. This is from a while back and from the minecraft community, and like Batby said. We are going from bad for authors to less bad for authors

[stray solstice]

also like, there isnt a "jumping ships", you can upload the mods on thunderstore still lol, ur not marrying the launcher, though idk if ill keep updating on thunderstore, depending on how it goes

[barren flare]

guess what they do actually have - both available and (semi-)enforced?

[jaunty lintel]

I suppose I probably should have reached out to Modrinth anyway

[barren flare]

terms of service lol

[stray solstice]

oh yeah lol

took thunderstore what, years to get a privacy policy? they dont even have a tos

[stray solstice]

i think they're only exclusively minecraft iirc?

[halcyon ermine]

you can still do it, but idk if that is minecraft only

[jaunty lintel]

They are right now

[stray solstice]

i remember them taking that stance strongly when i last checked, but idk if thats changed

[barren flare]

the moment i manage to set up auto-posting to thunderstore i'll see my options

cause doing that manually is a waste of time

and, well

[stray solstice]

lol

figuring out actions takes a bit of time from what hamunii told me

[barren flare]

you don't want to go wherever your users aren't

[stray solstice]

butapparently is super easy

[barren flare]

🥺 🙏

[stray solstice]

eh, this server isnt thunderstore, i can just link the curseforge page in my mod threads :p

[barren flare]

well, if you were pedantic you could argue that this part of the rules:

Advertising through discord servers, links to social media and other off-platform sites is strictly prohibited inside of the server.

would cover curseforge links

[minor raptor]

it's definitely very closely linked to thunderstore seeing as how the admin of this server manages the thunderstore page for the game

[barren flare]

but doing that in readmes is a-ok

[halcyon ermine]

where is this from

[barren flare]

#rules message

[stray solstice]

another case of vague rules, ur free to ask in modmail how they feel about it and u might get a response

[jaunty lintel]

tough shit tbh

if they start banning people for that they'll just get the server replaced

[halcyon ermine]

no, i say just dropping a link an seeing if they will delete it lol

[barren flare]

well, i've tried to resolve stuff there once and got two different opinions privately and publicly

i kind of don't give a fuck

[jaunty lintel]

i feel for you

[minor raptor]

i also have not really been happy with this server's moderation in general so i'll be interested to see where things go from here

[barren flare]

the thing is

moderating 40k people is impossible to go well no matter how much you try

especially if they're not paid AND in different timezones AND in different languages AND in different channels

i have a big respect for them

[stray solstice]

they are volunteers?

[barren flare]

but voicing a bad opinion and getting same-voiced responses speaks about something

[barren flare]

you cannot tell me all of them are paid employees to manage this

[stray solstice]

no, im saying they ARE volunteers

u said they arent

i dont remember being paid

[minor raptor]

it absolutely can be done, the issue is just inconsistent communication and blurry lines. nobody really has a good idea of what the policy should be so they just say what they think and that can lead to different answers like you said, i think that's the biggest issue plaguing the moderation imo

[barren flare]

oh sorry my message is worded wrong

[stray solstice]

also

to be very clear

this server is not thunderstore, im limited in what i can say, but like, i dont think they'd care if people switched to curseforge

its a lethal company modding server before a thunderstore affliated server as far as im aware

[barren flare]

let's say 40% of people use some sort of adblock

[stray solstice]

also upload the nuget package fully before u go on break

[barren flare]

and like 75% uses r2modman

[jaunty lintel]

I say this in addition to your point but also, It kinda has to be

[barren flare]

the money surely isn't super great

[halcyon ermine]

no adblock on the app

[barren flare]

but it cannot be bad for them to do it full time

[barren flare]

r2 exists

[jaunty lintel]

The Thunderstore aspect of the server is replacable

[stray solstice]

ye

[barren flare]

oh, is it?

[minor raptor]

3rd party curseforge launchers can and do exist

[stray solstice]

no one in this mod team is getting paid to be in this mod team lol

[barren flare]

i'm talking about thunderstore itself, but i agree

[stray solstice]

i've heard of people being paid while i was staff for other projects that others were a part of, but being paid actually fucks with a few of the people here so it's better that they dont even get paid

[halcyon ermine]

ad space on the right, its not always populated

[stray solstice]

oh yeah i think thunderstore staff do get paid, cant rememger tho, been a while since i asked

[fleet pilot]

In regards to that, you can turn off access to your mod with third party launchers

[halcyon ermine]

and you can buy premium for 2.99/month with 70% of that going to modders

premium removes ads

[jaunty lintel]

also in some magic best case where revenue is viable on curseforge ill probably go ahead and make all the mods people want

[stray solstice]

speaking of mods, i cant wait to see how the company cruiser is made, i swear to god i've tried every method known to man

if its some stupid ass shit like "it just works" im gonna break something

[minor raptor]

i know. i'm all for getting paid to do what you love, but i'm not exactly jumping at the thought of using a bloated app that i don't want to support that supports a company i don't agree with. that's why it would be great if modrinth expanded to support lethal company as well, their launcher is great and it's much more viable to make a living off modding because creators get a larger chunk of profit

[stray solstice]

i just finished my like, 7th refactor to make the player get parented to it and that's kinda working, is a bit dizzying, but i gotta figure out how to stop the player from going to Vector3.zero

[jaunty lintel]

custom modular ships will be ezpz

[fleet pilot]

Yeah, modrinth would be sick

[jaunty lintel]

what else do people keep asking for i forget atp

[barren flare]

fix bad things in game pls 🙏

all of them

now

yeah

[jaunty lintel]

i had an idea to make floods like

actually kinda behave

[barren flare]

wave physics?

[jaunty lintel]

naur like

fills empty space

[barren flare]

ooooooooh

[jaunty lintel]

not just a plane

but many planes

[barren flare]

so it checks the volume to fill and acts accordingly based on terrain?

[stray solstice]

oh that's not too bad, i might do that at some point if im bored

[barren flare]

that would be fucking sick

[stray solstice]

i just gotta finish this stupid stupid hoverboard

and then i can finally move onto animating more weapon types, and then rest

[jaunty lintel]

once v55 an idea i suggested to zeekerss directly cuz i think its sick is to make medium sized rocks float with the flood

so on flooded maps you have dynamic floating pads to jump on

requires no like new level design or anything

just raise them w/ the flood plane

[minor raptor]

just checked the modrinth page, lethal company modrinth could be a reality in the future and i think that would be the best-case scenario for the community and its creators. has anyone floated the idea to them? if you demonstrated the need for a better platform for lethal company mods it could potentially get the ball rolling

[halcyon ermine]

IAmBatby, idk if you were already contacting them, but if you do, say that I also support this idea, with mods that have a combined 10M+ downloads. To help smooth the deal lol

[barren flare]

if you want to start a petition i'll happily sign it

[fleet pilot]

Same, I'm sure a lot of people on here would

[minor raptor]

would be a good way to demonstrate interest to the modrinth team

[stray solstice]

yeah guys, lets sign it, im sure with us 5 we can make everything a reality

[halcyon ermine]

I guess modrinth is off the table

IAmBatby contacted them and this is basically the situation at Modrinth

Maybe their stance will change, but by the looks of it, that is unlikely

[barren flare]

understandable

they haven't started preparing for other games, so they can't do that now

[ripe reef]

6*

[wanton vessel]

7?

[minor raptor]

understandable, it's not really feasible to do overnight. but it sounds like the answer is "in the future but not right now"

[twin cosmos]

I'll try LethalResonance, but let's see abount @ivory belfry SoundAPI on CF or whatelsewhere

[stray solstice]

lol

ill force bongo to do it dw

i got my ways

i can make him do anything, its like magic

[halcyon ermine]

dont get your hopes up. The most likely scenario is that the majority will switch to CurseForge over the coming weeks, if everything goes well, and it's unlikely that people will want to switch to modrinth after already switching platforms. Maybe there is another hosting platform that could be contacted, but idk if there is one that has the same feature set and revenue sharing as CurseForge

[twin cosmos]

I'm hyped for the future :]

[minor raptor]

personally i would not mind another switch at all if it was a switch to modrinth. the biggest problem with moving everyone to a new platform is that there will inevitably be people who either aren't aware of the switch or don't want to switch and that can really throw a wrench into things, but i don't really care what platform people decide to go with as long as everyone is there. i'm just gonna move with the crowd

[halcyon ermine]

I think CurseForge is the best bet right now, i dont think modrinth will be able to pick up development in time and I think a second switch is to much to ask of the average person. CF is fine in my opinion. 70% split is good, modrinth has 90%, but doesnt have enough cash internally and is falling behind in development

[jaunty lintel]

Modrinth won't be an option

[twin cosmos]

For my part, it will hurt a little because I am aware that there will be mods that are abandoned, which is why there will be the obligation that, in case of making a modpack on another platform, you will have to get used to only what is in there.

[fleet pilot]

Yeah, it's gonna suck that a lot of modpacks will inevitably have to cut a large amount of mods because they won't be ported to CF

[minor raptor]

i don't think it's fair to completely write it off yet. we don't know what the future will look like on curseforge or how long it will take until modrinth is ready to move along, probably best to have that conversation when it's more relevant. i would say curseforge is a good option right now solely because it's kinda the only option besides not moving, but it's hard to say how long that'll be the case or how popular curseforge will be as a platform for LC mods

[tranquil tide]

that would fix ogopogo's flooded behavior PLEAAASE I need this

[tranquil tide]

that's a biod enemy idea 💔

[lapis turret]

did they just release lethal company on there or is it just me?

[halcyon ermine]

No it's not officially launched on CurseForge. It will also take a couple days for the first batch of mods to be accepted. So it will take a bit of time before CF can be used

But yes the page is up and you can upload files, there are just a bunch of limitations right now, because its not finished

[stray solstice]

Plus waiting on mods like bepinex and lethallib before most of us can even upload there

[vagrant warren]

oh my, is there soe sort of switch soon that i need to be aware of?

cause i had just found a launcher that i actually like for lethal too 😭

also, is there something i dont know about thunderstore that makes switching such a big thing in the first place?

[minor raptor]

as i understand it,

1. no revenue sharing
2. inadequate moderation
3. lack of critical features

[karmic fox]

I hope I don't have to switch to curseforge to get mods up to date, I don't really want to go through that hassle

[pulsar forum]

oh wow curseforge LC is gonna be a thing? i'm excited

[weak flax]

modrinth team is planning on adding support for multiple games fyi

[south bloom]

lethal ccompany modrinth when?

[jaunty lintel]

Brother they told me no

[weak flax]

[south bloom]

rip

[weak flax]

all platforms suck time to only upload to GitHub

[old igloo]

Hey hummmm, is there a way to stop ambiance sounds while inside on Aquatis ? .-.

[wanton vessel]

Aquatis [2.2.3] / Orion [2.1.4] / Celest [1.1.4]
- Fixed ambient sounds in dungeons

[twin cosmos]

cool!

[granite crater]

[twin cosmos]

1st mod

[halcyon ermine]

nice

[barren flare]

Ayo it's already there?

[halcyon ermine]

it will take a bit longer to be fully operational and for the app to automatically mod LethalCompany, but the basics are almost there.

[barren flare]

that's nice

I'll have to play with making GitHub actions update both TS and CF

[halcyon ermine]

that would be very nice

[sinful bobcat]

How does sharing profiles work with CurseForge? Will it also share the config files?

[halcyon ermine]

idk how it will work for Lethal Company, because it has not launched on the app. I can say how it works for Minecraft,

• On a profle you can select Export Profile, which will give you some options for what to include in it.
• This will give you some files that you can share with your friends or whomever.
• You can then create a new profile and click on Import, then just open the zip file and it will install and configure everything for you

[stray solstice]

It doesn't have the required dependencies tho so I doubt it works lol

[halcyon ermine]

its not an 'auto' install because the app doesnt work yet, its just the LLL files at this moment

[ebon talon]

I assume it would be safe to say the tl;dr is: should be similar/same just without the codes

[halcyon ermine]

plus for minecraft you can actually choose what you want to share from the profile; saved games, shaders, resourcepacks, mods etc.

[ebon talon]

Awesome

[weak flax]

I really don't know why you guys want to use curseforge

the curseforge launcher is a bloated mess and don't even get me started on overwolf

[halcyon ermine]

you dont need overwolf anymore, except an account (i think). The launcher is also not really bloated unless you mean the ad space on the right

[weak flax]

why would you need to require a fucking account 😭

[halcyon ermine]

idk, i dont know how everything works yet lol

[weak flax]

sure love being forced to use a single launcher

[pulsar forum]

is curseforge themselves responsible for the mod approval process for LC

[stray solstice]

Wdym?

Also #1250299933307703372

After this question

Lol

[pulsar forum]

like just curious if it's them or sf/batby who approves mods

was just avoiding it cuz that thread looks hella serious 😂

[stray solstice]

Lmao no its obv curseforge staff

Why would sf or batby start moderating in curse forge lol

[pulsar forum]

was just curious if they run it like TS does

[stray solstice]

Eh its just one sided "but you guys are clearly greedy grubbers thinking of the money!!" Argument over and over again

I've tried being as professional as I can there but no sense talking at the same time if people insist on ignoring stuff

[pulsar forum]

yeah i was thinking of typing up a message yesterday about that but decided it wasnt worth the effort

everyone is going to view it in a really poor way and theres no point of convincing anyone of anything imo

either way im still excited for curseforge to happen

[stray solstice]

Mhm same

[ebon talon]

heartbreaking: person wants to be paid for their work

[stray solstice]

I know you didn't bring up money, but it feels like you're desperate for it, you reek of the stink of money

I don't even know if what I'm saying is considered hyperbole for what was said in the thread lol

[lapis turret]

me spending 4 hours trying to figure out how to change a profile picture on curseforge

[stray solstice]

Me spending 10 seconds figuring it out

[lapis turret]

howww

[lapis turret]

please tell me

[stray solstice]

I'm opening it on phone rn

If its even possible, I was mostly kidding but should be obvious

[lapis turret]

I have a old minecraft picture on there and I dont wanna delete the account because I have a modpack with 25k downloads

[stray solstice]

I pressed the help button

And thats what it says

[ebon talon]

...only through Twitch? kinda ick ngl...!

[lapis turret]

but I did not use twitch

[stray solstice]

Eh, can't even change in thunderstore anything like that

[stray solstice]

It's not possible otherwise

Says it at the bottom

[lapis turret]

how do I delete that account then

[stray solstice]

Idk use their search function 😭

[lapis turret]

I have to make a support ticket to delete it 💀

[ebon talon]

trash to garbage ig

[pulsar forum]

pretty much the view of that thread, which is why decided not to say anything there in the end

[pulsar forum]

frr, and it's not even a lot, it's just some nice side change to get a nice sandwich like xu mentioned in the thread

[barren flare]

which is sad, cause (it seems) you either don't want it or desperately need it

which might be true for 5% of people, but everyone else is between those two extremes

I am making mods for the fun of it

If I am able to get additional 50$ a month doing it, great!

If not, it's not like I'm gonna stop

[stray solstice]

It's not even really about the money 💀

Some people want an incentive (which isn't even a wrong thing to want like I mentioned in my message there)

[barren flare]

that's my point 🥺

[stray solstice]

Anyway I don't wanna repeat what I said there here lol, I'm tired of that situation

If this makes thunderstore get off its ass in terms of giving people updates and what not, then that's already better than what we had before this

I'm against the mindset of just leaving things alone and trusting that it'll all work out by sitting and doing nothing

[barren flare]

having a rival is always good

cause people having an incentive of jumping ship is always a threat to the ship

interesting times are coming

that's for certain

[stray solstice]

Mhm

[minor raptor]

tell me you didnt read the thread without telling me you didnt read the thread

[halcyon ermine]

A lot of people in the CurseForge Discussion Thread or the ones that have commented have been Thunderstore affiliated in some way. I dont mean to discredit their opinion, I'm just saying that obviously Mythic (for example) is not going to view CF positively. He stands to lose something if people move to curseforge, so its also a bit of damage control. I do appreciate their transparency (now) and the fact that they are planning actual changes.

[frigid topaz]

I'm happy to hear Thunderstore is planning to implement changes to reward the mod authors

I was saying on stream the other day that as someone who has made mods for Cyberpunk and like the Donation Points system Nexus has

Thunderstore should really have a system as well

[halcyon ermine]

he said that a reward model will take a while to implement and involves some internal changes. He also said that other, more user-focused, changes will take priority

[frigid topaz]

So glad to hear Mythic is planning stuff

[frigid topaz]

Yeah that's still good though, I didn't like the thought of having to move to CurseForge and have mods be split

Lethal Company has too many mods on Thunderstore at this point for that to happen imo

Hope he's coming up with something really good 🙏

[boreal hill]

There are multiple reasons why I'm never going to switch to curseforge.

Most important reason: Their launcher doesn't even run on my OS 😅

[vagrant warren]

exactly, and with better launchers for thunderstore being released (Gale) it is way more user friendly than curseforge to me

[tranquil girder]

im all for mod makers gettin paid solely from their platform, but with accessibility being as limited as it is there, as well as TS already having the lion's share of the uploads, i just dont see it working out as well as some people think it will

and if CF decides to take a sharp turn and have the mod consumers pay for content, well we'll just have Bethesda Creation Club all over again

[stray solstice]

whats bethesda creation club?

[twin cosmos]

Isn't that the thing that makes people pay for downloading mods?

[tranquil girder]

^^^

Todd thought he was clever that E3

[stray solstice]

im not a CF spokesperson, but i super highly doubt they're ognna start charging for people to download mods lol

[twin cosmos]

I'm not saying that would happen, I just remember that issue

[hasty umbra]

does CT still work with vanilla if u make it vanilla mode

[halcyon ermine]

it still needs BepInEx to work. And vanilla mode only changes the outside to what was intended for vanilla

[halcyon ermine]

i couldnt read it fast enough, but it should be client sided yes

except maybe the door opening, i havent tested it

[pulsar forum]

speaking of bepinex, is that something you/batby are gonna add to CF?

[halcyon ermine]

A lot more mods have been uploaded onto curseforge, the app integration (auto modding etc) has not been launched yet

https://www.curseforge.com/lethal-company/mods/celestial-tint
https://www.curseforge.com/lethal-company/mods/viewextension

[ripe reef]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

i'm having a little problem with moon on my modpack, recently i was searching for moons that i could add in my modpack and end up choosing Orion. But for some mysterious reason, my game just refuses to host a server.

I disabled Orion and worked normally, then i tried other moons and had the same problem, then i changed profile, deleted LethalLevelLoader cfg, and it worked the first time, but the second time didn't

I'm really confused

i also think it could be some problem with my pc, but then i need to confirm if other people can host without a problem

01902195-4082-c6f7-fe42-5e7b2396a605

i would be glad if someone tested that

[halcyon ermine]

i'll try it, can you send your LogOutput.Log file after you crash?

the code you send works for me. If you crash again, send your LogOutput.Log file

[ripe reef]

probably not going to find anything useful in the logs, but i can send it

a

i found a consistent way of hosting somehow, just delete cache, open the first time, close and open again, then it works

😭 wtf

[halcyon ermine]

is it no longer crashing at all?

[ripe reef]

i will have to try more times, but i hope it doesn't crash anymore

is it my impression or Orion is really lightweight compared to other moons? 🤔

[halcyon ermine]

it has very good performance

[tranquil tide]

Orion sweep ‼️

[halcyon ermine]

Are there any bugs i should fix or features i should add to any of my mods that you can think of or that i have forgotten about?

[ripe reef]

Not that i know, but i do have 2 questions

1º How do CullFactory and ViewExtension interact with each other

2º Could you make something about Celestial Tint transition between moons being very laggy on bad pcs (mine) 😢

[halcyon ermine]

they should be compatible with each other, however I have heard CullFactory has the functionality that ViewExtension has. So if you have them both, you could probably only have cullfactory installed

[halcyon ermine]

i'll try some optimisations

[ripe reef]

then.... why is ViewExtension a dependency in Aquatis and Celest?

[halcyon ermine]

They do still need something that extends the view and its not guaranteed that Cullfactory is installed, but i'll add a note in the description

[ripe reef]

ok 👍

[ebon talon]

Its also not the default in Cull so

[tardy grove]

@halcyon ermine what’s a desat?

Like what if celest was renamed to Desat or something

So it can be played safe in a pack

[tranquil tide]

i'd riot

[tardy grove]

Hm?

[tranquil tide]

nah I don't like the idea of changing celest's name

[barren flare]

it's the Celest and Celestria issue, innit?

[latent flax]

bro became a butler

[halcyon ermine]

forgot to publish some updates

ViewExtension [1.3.0]

• Updated readme

• Added: View Distance setting to the pausemenu

• Added: Debugging config entry

• Added: MenuOption config entry

• Added: fallback for an invalid value in the config

• Added: warning when an invalid value is used

• Changed: View distance can now be between 200-2000 (vanilla: 400)

• Changed: View distance can now be changed in realtime

Celestial Tint [1.5.2]

• Updated readme
• Fixed Null Reference when loading a second time
• Fixed Assetbundle loading error
• Code rewrite

[halcyon ermine]

I updated the timeline to include v55 beta https://time.graphics/line/901266

[untold totem]

does anyone know where desat got those manhole-type entrances from on Aquatis?

i'm trying to make a moon and it looks like it fits perfectly for what i'm going for

[halcyon ermine]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/game-ready-hatch-a25d33484efc48c7b592e7316e8032d0

[glossy gate]

for w/e reason 71-gordon uses desert moon by default

how do I change it?

and to what moon

[halcyon ermine]

i think its a problem with LLL if i remember correctly. You can change it in the config with Gordion@Company

[outer palm]

Does anyone have problems with aquatis? when im playing multiplayer, for some reason, its the only moon thats desynced for us, it shows up as different moons whenever any of us route to it. No problems in singleplayer whatsoever though, so we just dont know whats going on. We have multiple modded moons like orion as well

[strong timber]

Does anyone have problems with Orion? For some of us when there's different "house" (not mansion or factory) when entering it spawn below map. It also happens with other moons

[spare hearth]

like a different interior?

[strong timber]

Yeah, it also happened. Sometimes some of us just falls down under map, sometimes our interior is different to each other's

[spare hearth]

first off your not using lethal expansion right

[strong timber]

How to use it right?

[spare hearth]

no liek do you have it in ur pack

[strong timber]

But why for some of us there are no problems even tho they dont have it? Is it lethalexpensionmodpack by SomaZEV?

[spare hearth]

if you do have lethal expansion just remove it

[strong timber]

None of us have it

[covert pulsar]

Other potential mod that causes desync is certain configurations of LethalQuantities

Desync of the kind you're mentioning

I dont quite recall the specifics but there's some prob some workaround in #1213985212686532638

If you dont have LQ installed either then no clue

[strong timber]

Nope we don't have it. But thanks for your time. It really sucks that we can't play some of the maps. They are really fun

[covert pulsar]

I'd try to help look into it more but I won't be home for another... 9 hours or so

Best of luck with figuring out what might be causing problems

[strong timber]

That's completely fine! Thank you again for your time. Appreciate that. We will try to dig more

[tranquil tide]

chances are you guys have different configurations for your stuff

[covert pulsar]

I guess I shouldve also asked, are you manually installing or going thru a mod manager like TSA/r2/Gale?

If manual, make sure whoever's playing with you also has config files that you do to reduce risk of desyncs

TSA/r2 lets you share profiles via code/file, profiles shared not only get what mods are present but includes the respective configs too

I have no familiarity with Gale so no comment

[strong timber]

Oh that could be the case, because host has changed some of the moons configs, and for him moons work perfectly. We will try to tomorrow to sync configs. Thank you!

[covert pulsar]

Ah yeah defo have the host send a copy of their LLL config to you and the other session participants then and it should (hopefully) fix your issue

If you use a mod manager, if the host sends a profile code/file after they've finalized all their config edits, that's a solid way to avoid desyncs due to config mismatches

I manage my group's pack and thankfully never had that kind of desync issue (I'm way too cautious about stuff being sync'd lols)

[spare hearth]

Honestly it’s best to send the whole entire configuration

[covert pulsar]

Hm true, best to just have all the configs sync'd to be absolutely sure none may be a potential problem

[ripe reef]

Aquatis has a small glitch that at the start of the round, you can't see anything on the monitors, but after you enter and exit through a facility, you're able to see it again

(it could be also some weird interaction with Problematic Pilotry)

[ripe reef]

celestial tint?

idk why too, when i override the skybox with Ship Windows Space_HDRI the stars doesn't shine and the quality is worse too

[south bloom]

maybe u have to download the 4k skybox from veri?

[vagrant tree]

I believe you're taking over your moons again, Desat? If so, bit of an issue on Aquatis: The Boombox you can find on one of the islands has a negative weight currently (I assume it's probably set to 0 weight, which is -105 in-game), which causes your weight to increase when you drop the Boombox. Easily fixed by just setting its weight to either 1 if you want 0lbs, or whatever the vanilla value for the Boombox is.

[hard gorge]

Hi sorry for the @. I'm not using this mod but I am having this problem with the boombox and was wondering if you could help. I'm troubleshooting rn and will update if I find anything

Also for context I don't think I'm running any of these mods

Okay ngl I found a fix pretty quickly

for some reasons Boombox_Controller by KoderTeh is causing this problem

I don't know if this is the same problem you are having but your problem just sounded similar to mine

[vagrant tree]

Ah interesting

[vagrant tree]

Probably the same thing for me since I also have that mod <3 Appreciate it!

[hard gorge]

Yeah I haven't found a solution, so for now I just won't use boombox

[vagrant tree]

Yeah it's likely something that has to be fixed by the dev

[ripe reef]

althrough is something silly, the view distance slider keeps appearing in the change keybinds menu from lethalcompany inputsutils

[tawny relic]

Hi, while palying with friends we noticed an issue with Aquatis, Celeste and Orion since the cruiser update : the store does not deliver to those planet anymore.

Does this happen to anyone else? we're also using Lategame Upgrades mod so maybe the issue comes from this.

[empty needle]

You need this mod: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/CompanyCruiserFix/

[tranquil tide]

desat's don't have cruiser compat yet???

that's whack

[stray solstice]

dont like, most moons not have it?

wesleys moons dont iirc

[tranquil tide]

I thought they would, Generic's doesn't need them

I was under the impression it was a really easy fix or smth

[stray solstice]

it is

very easy fix

the mods just dont update lol

[tranquil tide]

Idk I thought Desat's updated after v56 lmao

[halcyon ermine]

I have a question what are the best moon mods and why? why as in because it looks the best, plays the best or fits the vanilla narrative etc. (And no you don't need to say mine lol, be honest I'm just curious)

I'll update my moons to v60 btw

[covert pulsar]

I'd prob put V0xx's moons as my top choice (Arcadia & Derelict) for a number of reasons:

• Vanilla-esc aesthetics, and the themes of the biodomes (Arcadia) and junkyard (Derelict) are largely unique from other moons

• Highly optimized (runs smoothly and each moon is around an astounding 30MB)

• Custom events & obstacles (Arcadia's Heatwave & Derelict's Trash Dropper)

Only minimal gripe I have with the moon is this:

• Bloom effect persists indoors, making high emission interiors like Rosie's Sector-0 have many places where it's absolutely blinding

[halcyon ermine]

are those new? because i have never heard of them

[covert pulsar]

Arcadia's existed for a decent while but Derelict's a newer-ish moon
Arcadia previously was pretty intensive resource-wise until the more recent optimization resolved that

Looking back at release dates Arcadia was v50 and Derelict was v55

[halcyon ermine]

they look absolutely amazing and are very feature rich. Maybe a little polish, but they are pretty much perfect

[covert pulsar]

Ye that's how I feel about them, my group particularly likes Derelict

[minor raptor]

for me, the most important thing above all is that it fits in with the vanilla game. here are some that i feel do really well in this area:

[heady yarrow]

If you haven’t tried Kast, I def recommend it. Very Vanilla feeling while simultaneously being very distinct

[minor raptor]

i do have kast but just haven't played on it yet so i didnt wanna recommend it

[gusty horizon]

Kast is definitely one of my faves, feels like a nice little counterpart to Titan

[heady yarrow]

Definitely!

I remember when I first played it (before LLL was around) I was shocked at how vanilla it felt

[gusty horizon]

In my current pack I'm playing with friends I have Argent, Kast, Synthesis, Mantif, Auralis, Solace and Aperture - though I've fiddled with the spawns, loot rate, common interiors, price and all that. (Haven't tried your moons yet was just snooping the threads!)

I think it's important for moons to look like they could've come from the vanilla game in terms of artstyle - Auralis is the only Starlancer moon I have that includes those different keycard-button doors and that's a thing that slightly puts me off because it looks "too futuristic"

If anything is sci-fi it should feel like its the 'retro' sci-fi of Lethal Company - which is why I'm a big fan of how Mantif looks, for example. Or like, Aperture is just a reference moon but the Portal 2 aesthetics feel like they can belong in the Lethal Company setting

I actually don't want moons to look too good because the whole game looks kinda shitty and thats part of the charm, but I'm cool with different aesthetics done well, like Argent being an abandoned city - it's big, it's creepy to explore but it feels like it (and you, and the scrap) belong

Tho the way they play can def make them more fun, Kast is fun because of the tiny exterior, Synthesis is fun with the elevator apparatus gimmick and the terrain that feels very vanilla with the layout while still being pretty unique to traverse...

Tl;dr: To me the best moons are the ones that feel like they could be from basegame but try to offer something unique - being visually interesting or having clever platforming (shoutouts to the ice path on Auralis) or having some small gimmick (like the elevator in synthesis or the gate in mantif) doesn't hurt. When I download moons if I think the default way it plays (S+++ difficulty f.i. or too many giants with little cover, etc.) isn't very fun I'll just tweak it
Mostly looking for moons that will give me cool vibes and some unique terrain for me to decide the way they'll be most fun

Sorry for the text wall, had to kinda organize my thoughts there lmao

[jaunty lintel]

I like Affliction the most but it's a little big

[marsh lark]

For me, Wesley's Moons are peak because they seem like a perfect fit for vanilla. Each moon has a distinct theme built around a specific enemy along with map mechanics and hidden lore. High degree of polish included.

I hold Rosie's Moons in the same high regard for the same reasons. Though needs polishing in some aspects.

I also quite like Harvest Moons, they may not be as impressive in terms of visual appeal but the gameplay on these provides a delightful endurance challenge. The soundscape is awesome too

But Gloom is my top favourite of all time. The sense of horror it evokes is unparalleled by any other

[vagrant tree]

Gorgonzola best moon

[marsh lark]

I wanted to mention it too but that would end up with me rambling way too much xD

[warm stone]

noticed a little issue in my list I have, Im seeing 2 celest & 2 orion on the terminal moons list

I noticed if I look higher up in my bepinex log

and another only for aquatis

[regal grail]

taking a stab, do you have tolians moon bundle installed as well?

[warm stone]

ah, you know what

that would do it

[regal grail]

niceu, easy fix.

[warm stone]

ty haha just came back after a while seems some bigger changes have happened

are celestial tint & view extension included in tolians bundle? or just the moons?

[regal grail]

just the moons, I believe

[warm stone]

💪 awesome thanks man

[tranquil tide]

old asf but lemme chime in:

Submersion (Generic Moons)
Arcadia
Synthesis (from what i've seen)

All of em are really cool with some interesting gimmicks, look real nice, have some interesting balancing and are fine to play for a long time

[wintry rampart]

I've been encountering this a lot with Celestial Tint, Going to the company moon before the planet loads causes it to not render its sky, so it still shows the space which makes the lighting flicker a lot that is absolutely a pain in the eyes

Same thing as when im spectating someone it stops rendering the sky when they go to an interior sometimes

But that one could be unrelated

[stray solstice]

sky should disappear if you're in an interior iirc

thats just vanilla i think

[frigid topaz]

You have a mod breaking Celestial Tint however if you don't need Celestial Tint I would recommend removing it tbh as it has some optimization issues and the dev isn't active atm

But you should try to find what mod is breaking it first if you use Imperium that will cause this for example

[wintry rampart]

The thing is, It disables that forever when they go outside which makes me unable to see everything when spectating, Not sure if thats a bug with vanilla

Oh and I dont have imperium installed

[stray solstice]

not sure tbh

[frigid topaz]

Check your logs for errors

You have a compat issue somewhere for sure

[wintry rampart]

Removing the mod seems to have solved these for me

[frigid topaz]

You still should find out what mod was causing the skybox to not change, cus whatever mod is doing that is hooking into things it shouldn't

[ripe reef]

Is there a reason to why Celestial Tint decreases FPS on moons? I just can't understand... if I just have my modpack and Ship Windows Space_HDRI I get near 40~45 fps on orbit, but if I have Celestial Tint i get 24~28 fps on orbit + less fps on moons (-4 or-5)

(Not accounting to my 1 fps every time the transitions between moons happens while in orbit)

Celestial Tint is cool but I can't take that much of performance hit 😭

[frigid topaz]

I removed Celestial Tint personally

It's nice but it's unoptimized and Desat is inactive

[jaunty lintel]

Wrong actually

[frigid topaz]

Oh?

Haven't seen them active for a bit but if there's a way they could push an optimization update that would be great

[jaunty lintel]

Things being performance heavy != optimized
Things having room for improvement != optimized

stop making declarations about mods you don't work on

[frigid topaz]

I wasn't trying to say anything bad about the mod it's a mod I really like, it's just a mod I opted to remove while trying to find mods that caused overhead and lowered overall fps of the game. I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way about things I very much can see the mod being improved upon once Desat returns

I just woke up from a nap so I may phrase some stuff poorly atm I mean no harm or bad feeling at all towards this mod

[jaunty lintel]

I very much can see the mod being improved upon once Desat returns
But the issue is no you can't

I appreciate your activity in the community and communication with so many authors but that doesn't mean you can assume things about codebases you are not familar with

The issue isn't that your inherently being rude it's that you keep speaking on the behalf of other authors about their work that you don't always understand

[frigid topaz]

Yeah I wasn't trying to assume anything or speak for them but I get how it could come off that way, my knowledge of the optimizations of the mod only really extends from what DiFFoZ found when profiling my pack a while back

If I remember it was the skybox that used a lot of gc allocation? But I'm not certain on that

[heady yarrow]

This kinda thing is why I wish there was some kind of resource for mod info that wasn’t either a mods own page or a thread where stuff can be easily lost within minutes

[frigid topaz]

Yeah and I admit sometimes I'll word things bad in a way where it comes off that I'm trying to speak for others when I don't mean to come off that way

[sleek depot]

Isn't improving code literally optimization tho?

[distant haven]

Not necessarily.

[jolly flame]

I have discovered that acquiring free modded moon exterior items such as the shovels and spraycan on Aquatis doesn't actually save into the ship's item pool when quitting the game. Upon reloading the save, they are gone.
Happens on any moon that gives free stuff force-spawned to have a 100% chance to be there outside. Is this a known issue? Any possible way to fix it?

[crystal dune]

what mod adds that hp number

[ripe reef]

Treys Health Text

[raw robin]

hello! i don't know if it's Aquatis that's entirely causing it - but I have had a bug where my bestiary reads "[currentScannedEnemiesList]" whenever i pull it up on the terminal. Did some testing on a fresh save and it seemed to break when i scanned the crab. Any idea for how i could fix it?

[crystal dune]

talk to tolian about that as he is the one managing these moons as of now

#1208849588539101294

[raw robin]

ah ty!

[terse summit]

Celestial Tint has the bug of falling into eternity behind the terminal

(If open doors enabled)

And one time also happend on the other side (where the small ladder is)

[boreal hill]

Anyone else having this issue with CT's vanilla planet mode?

[cursive cove]

Anyone else having an issue of items not being delivered on Aquatis?

[covert pulsar]

@cursive cove Do you have this installed?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/CompanyCruiserFix/

Seems Aquatis (and other sfDesat moons) might've not been updated for v55+, which is when the Cruiser was added

[cursive cove]

I don't. It's not really a game breaking issue, we can still play Aquatis as long as we get our ordered items on the previous reg map

[covert pulsar]

tl;dr
Moon not updated for v55+? It won't know how to deliver the cruiser, which means nothing delivered
This mod fixes that said problem so items/cruiser can be delivered

[crystal dune]

use it

it fixes that issue

[cursive cove]

Thank you guys! I really appreciate the help 😄 Getting it downloaded now

[west nimbus]

A while back, I tried out Celest and it seems like no matter how many times I scan with right-click, I can't find the ship again from the facility entrance, then I just got lost and the ship left without me. Would there at least be a way to pave a path from the ship to the facility without ruining the beautiful design too much?

[real herald]

you can walk in a straight line to and from entrance, and there Are scan node mods

[west nimbus]

I have a mod that's supposed to increase the range of the scan nodes being scanned, but they just didn't work for some reason. Plus don't the trees have collision?

[real herald]

something is messing with your scanner or your cfg isnt set up to what youd need. and no the treeline doesnt have collision but the trees do

its not a hard wall

[west nimbus]

Yeah, I just get turned around easily in the whole thing. I thought I was headed back in the right direction but I ended up hitting the edge of the map.

[real herald]

its directly right from main door facing out

like if you come out, turn 90 to the right and walk youll hit ship eventually

[grand oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-drop-gif-1982649100088909979

[halcyon ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/bone-gif-9583965047034155743

[tranquil tide]

devious...

[prisma aspen]

I found an issue when using the Wider Ship mod with Celestial Tint. After removing Celestial Ting, the brightness was gone. I also reported this issue in the Wider Ship channel, just in case.

[jaunty lintel]

Don’t report wider ship mod issues in non wider ship mod threads

Respectfully

It’s not on them to change anything

[prisma aspen]

Oh okay. Thanks for responding anyway!

[still oracle]

do you have chameleon? if so disable planet preview in its config

[prisma aspen]

I will try

[prisma aspen]

I don't know why exactly but it worked. Thank you!

[crystal dune]

its due to an overlapping feature they have

[wanton vessel]

• **Aquatis 2.2.4 **
  • v69 support
  • Updated LethalLevelLoader 1.2.4 >>> 1.4.6
  • The crabs have been disabled

[crystal dune]

peak

[grand oxide]

crab is kil

[tranquil tide]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-the-next-step-for-immigration-immigration-alien-locked-in-alien-locked-in-gif-7143551599349454414

[frigid topaz]

Crab got

[wanton vessel]

• **Orion 2.1.5 / Celest 1.1.5 **
  • v69 support
  • Updated LethalLevelLoader 1.2.4 >>> 1.4.6

[cobalt shuttle]

Naur the carbs

It this something planned to be rolled back at some point or are they gone for good?

[west nimbus]

Is there a Gamma issue for anyone else when on the ship in orbit? I think it might have something to do with Celestial Tint

It's unusually bright

[sinful bobcat]

Do you have Chameleon?

If so, uncheck this

[wanton vessel]

• **Orion 2.1.6 / Celest 1.1.6 / Aquatis 2.2.5 **
  • Optimization
  • fixed main entrance trigger(Celest)
  • fixed ladder trigger(Celest)

[sinful bobcat]

Mud looks like this on Aquatis

Also there's this floating white line

on the right side of the ship

[twin cosmos]

Do you use imperium?

That usually appears when using imperium

The White line I mean

[sinful bobcat]

In this profile yes, but when I played the other night with friends no

and I'm pretty sure the whiteline was there too

I'll go look again

Well perhaps I remembered it wrong, the white line isn't there without Imperium

Mud is still sqaure shaped tho

[twin cosmos]

Yeah, that's an issue

[distant fern]

the white line is an enemies path.

(in imperium)

[west nimbus]

When you say mud, do you mean Quicksand?

[sinful bobcat]

yeah

[west nimbus]

Oh, I would never freaking know since I removed that entirely from the game.

It's a really bullcrap mechanic, especially when it can appear outside of rainy days and the visual difference is completely unnoticeable.

Especially under certain lighting

[sinful bobcat]

Apparently this can help, never tried it tho
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/QuickSandColor/

[west nimbus]

And when it's right next to the ship

I really hate it when it's next to the ship.

Also do outside enemies get stuck in it like players do?

[sinful bobcat]

No

[west nimbus]

See? Now that's even worse

If you're gonna have a world hazard, at least make it interact with all moving things

Like FairAI making enemies blow up on landmines

[distant fern]

yeah with default settings, you cant miss quicksand, its almost luminous yellow.. still the risk you accidently walk in it while running from something though.. so its helpful, but doesnt make quicksand safe 🙂

[stone pumice]

Well I mean that should be a feature added by FairAI though, it's kinda in the same allignment

Well.. should be vanilla but yeah

[vagrant tree]

The concept of Fair AI only works if enemies avoid hazards, which they don't

[tranquil tide]

I mean enemies don't avoid spike traps and them killing enemies is in basegame

[vagrant tree]

True, but a percentage of spike traps are also only triggered by players

[tranquil tide]

fair (ai) yeah

[vagrant tree]

Either way I feel FairAI ultimately just makes the game easier and is something I prefer to not be vanilla for as long as enemies don't avoid landmines and such. Heck, I don't even want every enemy to avoid them, but smarter enemies like Bracken, Masked, etc. should actively attempt to

Also, iirc "Trap" is a Navmesh area type added by the spike trap that causes enemies to only move to it if no other path is available to their selected point

So they do avoid it a bit from my understanding

But like Titan for example is heavily nerfed by Fair AI, it goes from a moon with a ton of different threats to basically only turrets / unkillable enemies, everything else will die by turret fire

It's a neat mod but not a balanced experience

[tranquil tide]

i'm pretty sure turrets are disabled for targetting enemies when using fairAI

unless they recently added it back, since it was pretty buggy and conflicted w/some other mods

[sinful bobcat]

they added it back

[tranquil tide]

oh coolio

[crystal dune]

imo its fine if it only applies to landmines

it can lead to some issues but can add strategy

like many time I will try and trick enemies into landmines

to varying results

[sinful bobcat]

@wanton vessel Pinging you in case you didn't see it (Sorry if you did)

[wanton vessel]

imperium

[sinful bobcat]

Did you fix it or are you saying its an issue on my end?
Because I tried with an almost empty profile and the quicksand was still square only on Aquatis

[wanton vessel]

the problem is on your side

[sinful bobcat]

Ill try to figure it out when coming back home then

[wanton vessel]

try clearing the cache

[sinful bobcat]

Will do

[sinful bobcat]

Fresh profile + cache cleared

The quicksand is still square shaped

Also, how come you have a cloudy skybox in your screenshot?
I thought only stormy had that skybox

[indigo hawk]

oh, the same happens to me, i thought it was like that, didn't know it was a bug

[wanton vessel]

because of Imperium teleporting

[stuck furnace]

not sure if this should be redirected into the tolian thread, but this is still here so I guess I'll use it for now.

@wanton vessel A few issues with Aquatis to report:

• The "square" quicksand issue reported above happens consistently for me as well, even with the bare minimum installed mods (plus JLL and simplecommands), I'm curious what setup you're using to make it appear correctly (see my attached mod list). I tried replacing those two extra mods with Imperium just in case, but the issue still reproduces

• The shovel and boombox equipment items on the moon aren't registered properly, so they become invisible and generally buggy when leaving the moon. This is the same type of issue as previously reported with the apparatus from the Tomb interior

• The scrap item weights on the moon are generally very low (with the exception of the fish at 70), but because of the way Lethal handles scrap spawning, the high weight of the fish doesnt mean it takes up every spawn, so any rare scrap spawns added by other mods will appear much more frequently on Aquatis. This is more subjective, but I would suggest increasing the weights of other items a little bit or adding more scrap items to the list

Sorry to trouble you with this and thank you for all the work you do maintaining these moons

[indigo hawk]

Also with the boombox and shovel, they do dissapear after going in orbit, and if you are using smth like lethal sponge with the LODs feature instead of disappearing they transform into missing object and if you grab them it softlocks your game

[raw marten]

Wait, the square shaped quicksand is unintentional? Lol

I always just accepted it as part of it

[wanton vessel]

hmmm

[indigo hawk]

i did that too xD, even from the first time i played the moon a year ago it still was cube shaped so i just thought it was a really weird quicksand but didnt bother me too much

[wanton vessel]

i'll look into it when i have time, i have a couple of ideas on how to fix this bug

[pallid onyx]

would anyone know how to tag celestial tint to outpost 31? No combo I've tried adds the tundra/snowy moon look

[small wigeon]

I haven't updated Outpost 31 in a very long time, last update was before tags were even really a thing

It's on my list of stuff to do, I just haven't gotten around to it since other projects have occupied my time

That and I'd have to rebuild Outpost 31 from the beginning again 🙃

[pallid onyx]

dang, there's a couple moons I'd like to also tag but outpost was my favorite of the bunch to reach out about

not sure if the others would have the same sort of issue

[cedar hatch]

Is celestial tint abandoned? It hasnt update in 1 year

[crystal dune]

still works

dev isnt working on mods atm

his moons are maintained by tolian

[cedar hatch]

Yea i was waiting for more moon tags , thanks for answering though

[tacit patrol]

It still works?

[cedar hatch]

It still , just doesnt update anymore like more planet type and stuff

[tacit patrol]

ah

[tranquil tide]

this shit is so fucking nostalgic to me it's crazy

[grand oxide]

for real..

[plucky swallow]

Wondering similar about Celestial tint. I assume those are 3D models rendered? Would love to build off of it if I could, though I'd need an example of the raw plugin asset.

[wanton vessel]

https://github.com/sfDesat/Celestial-Tint

[plucky swallow]

Well I meant the prefab decompiled, haha. Unless I"m misunderstanding something

[plucky swallow]

i made a planet in blender using a tutorial

i will look into mimicking ceslestial tint a bit closer

[grand oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-fan4stic-fantastic-4-fantastic-four-let's-take-a-look-gif-9442526964839694306

i am looking........

[plucky swallow]

still working on it lol i'm new to blender. i assume i just export the assets to unity but have no cluenif its nearly that easy. we will see!

[grand oxide]

if you wanna add more to it, then yeah

[plucky swallow]

wdym

i just mean like umm idk if stuff like clouds and lighting will render as they did in blender in unity engine

i animated da clouds and added some atmosphere (still working on the outer glow) but so far im feelingnsorta confident anyways :3

[crystal dune]

celetial tint 2?? frfr

[plucky swallow]

we'll see....... we' will see....

[plucky swallow]

🤘

[plucky swallow]

Took some work but it's in unity now! Sad I can't get the same colors but it is what it is

[plucky swallow]

oh wow so it's this whole system

i mean i looked into decompiling asset bundles and iirc online says its not possible so if you want to send it to me. i can still generate the textures and stuff lol

[plucky swallow]

nvm figured iotu

[wanton vessel]

i'll send it when i have time

[plucky swallow]

dw I think I've got it. Thank you for the help

[plucky swallow]

tysm big dawg

[plucky swallow]

@wanton vessel hey sorry to bug you again. What version of Unity was Celestial Tint made on? I'm getting script errors because they changed the uhh sky thing in unity 6 but I'm getting even more errors opening it in 2023.2.22

I've been able to get the sun and skybox to render but the planet isn't because OrbitController uses a different version of Unity I'm 90% sure. (I figured that was the right version cuz that's what Zeekers uses but I'm guessing it isn't)

[wanton vessel]

2022.3.9f1

[undone wadi]

What's the status of Celestial Tint for v73+? I'd really like to get back into this game but the lighting bug means I can't use CT, and at this point that mod feels essential to the experience.

[indigo hawk]

It works completely fine

[crystal dune]

it works fine

just turn off planet preview in chameleon if you have that mod

[undone wadi]

Oh interesting. I saw someone saying they had the same issue on the CurseForge page so I assumed it was an ongoing issue. But you were right that it was just Chameleon. Thank you!

[crystal dune]

why tf are you on curseforge 😭

there are like almost no mods there

[undone wadi]

I haven't downloaded anything from there but that's w here sfDesat's Celestial page on Thunderstore and Github redirects to.

[indigo hawk]

What...

"Page on thunderstore" what makes it the most confusing

[stone pumice]

sfDesat posted and shared his thought of being more willing to use curseforge in the future than thunderstore, that's why

I believe you can even read that on one of his mods page on Thunderstore but I don't remember on which mod this figures, or maybe even in here

but true too, curseforge is a desert for LC mods

[crystal dune]

its way too late at this point

[stone pumice]

yeap

this information is like maybe a year old though too lol

[oak aspen]

soo uhh

how new are you to blender

modeling in general

[plucky swallow]

new-ish, ive been drawing for years tho. made some stuff on nomad app. why do u ask

i realize blender and unity dont work together like that im making a thing in unity << #1450705300461060137 message

[oak aspen]

this is probably better than anything i’ve ever done and i’ve been doing blender for 3 years

That’s insane

[plucky swallow]

lol it was just follow a tutorial using the nodes and a mat. i appreciate it though

i'm honestly trying to learn rigging and having a very hard time with vertices so i wanna figure that out eventually

[outer trellis]

'Sup, any news regarding sfDesat's moons?

[indigo hawk]

Wdym

Did something happen to them?

[tranquil tide]

They're being maintained by Tolian atm I believe

[indigo hawk]

Yes they are

[crystal dune]

They currently work, since they had custom main entrances aquatis and orion work just like normal

celest needs a patch so its main entrance is animated

[tranquil tide]

what if the manholes opened tho 🧐

[crystal dune]

would be cool

but I dont think tol would do that haha

[tranquil tide]

and lowk the big ass church door opening would be sick

but like

[crystal dune]

tho ya never know, he did cosider replacing the ship

[tranquil tide]

i'm 99% sure that's a 3d scan model so I doubt you'd be able to animate that without modifying it heavily

[crystal dune]

with a model from salted beef if I remember right

[vagrant tree]

yeah I'd love to see anims for the manholes but either way I just hope to see them updated, would love to see some of the new enemies added even if at small weights to not influence spawns too much