Destroyer

[sullen cape]

Kinda wanna see what that is about

But fr fr wizard had the best take play the game for 2-3months for nostalgia and then dip

[brisk oar]

honestly if this buffs true we should swap class before

this sht unacceptable

fk i dont wanna play a another class but this guys xd

[jagged gull]

Naaaaah wait so legy fury is just 5 rage stacks more ?

[sullen cape]

And 100 focus

Peak

https://tenor.com/view/altina-altina-orion-kiseki-trails-cold-steel-gif-11211525280440766092

Should've diped for bm

But my dumbass stayed

[dim hull]

Wow it was so ass that I didn’t notice until you said that

[sullen cape]

I mean the only thing you can notice on that fury is depression

[copper slate]

Just for player playing only execute lmao

They can land execute at start

[brisk oar]

i cant play the class what i wanna play bc its dead and dont get buffs, i cant swap to other ones with same appereance bc races sht dont let

[dim hull]

Just like the KR playerbase

[copper slate]

Ye they are so bad

[serene grove]

now u can smash build without focus issue

[sullen cape]

Oh we go from 100 focus to 200

Nah sadly once we pop fury which we do at the start of a fight we already at 100 focus

Ok i guess it regs 10 focus per second

But still

[serene grove]

isnt it recovery for 10 sec

[sullen cape]

That's not even half of the fury

[serene grove]

might have gm effects

[sullen cape]

[brisk oar]

i find my only one wb #1 ss lol xd

[frail marsh]

Wait, what happened to my focus

TFW All of my skills cost 20 focus

https://gyazo.com/762457390fc0904b5a1e9a047b32bc4c.gif

[grim pasture]

Yeah had the same bug few days ago. You have to relog to fix it

[sullen cape]

[sharp dune]

aslong as all their destros are happy sitting there holding x, earth destro will never be cared about

[sullen cape]

Well not long until there is no destroyer left

[grim pasture]

Imagine logging in and your character says unknown class since nc deleted the destro class

[sullen cape]

Soon we reach that point

[sharp dune]

lol another one down, @toxic moss just swapped to warlock even

[sharp dune]

I still want an excuse to come back to destro but nc are really not giving me any

[grim pasture]

Its the same as in LIVE ... destro gets one usefull change once every 4-5 years

[late saddle]

Hey man leggy fury gives focus back!!!

In 3/4 patches and new books we might swap back

[sharp dune]

omgggggggggg

[sullen cape]

[sullen cape]

If you like pain and suffering do it

But then again you lose your ct then

[empty flower]

It doesn't look that bad

[sullen cape]

So extra suffering

[empty flower]

[sullen cape]

Sure there are worse classes but yeh

[empty flower]

Its something new for me so im having fun

[sullen cape]

[empty flower]

This market though, having to build gear from scratch

Surely mommy Zeta will provide an earring and gloves soon

[sullen cape]

Would have a +3 glove with 20% combat xp

[toxic moss]

LOL XD

[sullen cape]

You betrayer

[toxic moss]

XD ❤️

[sullen cape]

But understandable

[brisk oar]

if the new leggy e just gives +100 focus more for class balance... i dont wanna think it

[brisk oar]

ey a new destro here?

[sullen cape]

legy fury gonna be like legy emberstomp

useless af

[brisk oar]

just give us 5 more seconds

[sullen cape]

that would be great but yeh

i guess to great for nc

[brisk oar]

atleast make it 18 or 30 gm thing

but just +100 focus is nothing

we can use exe with 16 fury already

[sullen cape]

it is what it is

best would be to dip the class and wait until nc gives it some love again

[jagged gull]

so never

[sullen cape]

[late saddle]

thats what it was leaked

[sullen cape]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

they still working on it

trust

it's goanna get +5 duration and 50% crit dmg

and no def reduction anymore

[copper slate]

Just give us 5 sec more rage 🙏

[grizzled steeple]

wait so we will get some new leggy skills or not

im so lazy to read all chat :3

[copper slate]

Ye on rage E

Bad leg book it give only Focus and 5 more fury stacks

[grizzled steeple]

lol

could give us more 5 sec

[unborn spruce]

The truth is that the Emberstorm buff only works if the enemy is receiving damage from the Emberstorm itself.

When it says "within range," I understand it to refer to the skills themselves and not the Ember.

[late saddle]

Where buff

Its last day…

[grim pasture]

You seriously expect NC to buff our class. Even back in LIVE destro was one of the least buffed classes. We maybe got a significant buff once every2-3 years

[delicate haven]

Nothing new... earth destro in Live had same problem... the moment boss moved away u lose most ur dmg, cuz mighty cleave is a stacking aoe on the ground. They kinda fixed that in Neo and made mc dmg come faster, but forgot about it and made same mistake with stomp effect. Not like it matters, the build doesnt really exist in Neo anyway.

[grim pasture]

Tried to play around with mc for bleed build for raid and whoever designed the mystic badge effect needs to be fired. Every GM or the legy skill effect gives 5 stacks when the last hit either hits or crits. BUT the badge gives stacks when the first hit crits. Thats so random

[unborn spruce]

u win like 25 30 stacks when the cap is 20

need a gm in cleave that spend rage to deal more dps

to make sanse that alot of stacks u win whit badge and 48 mc

[grim pasture]

With 48 GM and legy MC you get:

• 5 from Legy MC on last hit
• 5 from Badge IF 1st hit crits
• 5 for 18 GM IF last hit crits
• 5 for 30 GM on last hit
• 5 for 48 GM on last hit

So you are guaranteed 15 stacks if last hit crits. And ONLY if either first OR last crits you reach the max. but outside of fury with maybe 30-40% crit rate depending how many crit rate% sets ypu run you wont reach the max stacks reliably. So it doesn't stack well with execute for bleed support. As main skill yes you need something to spend the stacks on

[delicate haven]

just try Judgement for bleed... you only lose 1 rage on crit from relentless... sounds like way less of a hassle than mc

[grim pasture]

Yeah will do that later since mc doesn't flow well with execute. Will also replace my galeforces with 3 executes so i can lock wrath and stack bleed during fury if needed

Only for raiding else galeforce too good to drop

[late saddle]

mc flows great with exe, its just that extended rage is too valuable, otherwise galeforce is incredibly trash

and having both makes u lose too much exe dmg and ud fall behind in general but its the most fun i ever had (120 48 48)

if they remove books from accs i come back and use that, if earth wont be reworked

as for bleed yea just use judgement, u will run in a couple of focus issues here and there but copable. no need to lock wrath or anything, even if bleed expires for 2 secs its not the end of the world and certainly not worth u gutting urself by removing gale and locking wrath

[grim pasture]

The reason i will lock wrath is that since i wont run galeforce cause 22s of bleed downtime is huge on the boss 3 in BT. And without galeforce there is no point in using wrath if you stack at least 6 rage before using fury you wont need wrath and can use judgement mid fury to refresh bleed

[sullen cape]

But only with technologia ig because the overlap of all skills in f gonna be pain

[late saddle]

Locking and replacing all that for bleed is crazy. You have to do all that but a teammate cant slot a bleed to support you?

[serene grove]

is there no other class that can spec bleed in raid.

[late saddle]

Definitely annoying, only managed on dummy. In real world you fumble one gale for sure

Ask ur lowest dps to slot bleed

[sullen cape]

[late saddle]

Surely you have lancers

[serene grove]

surely there is a bd/bm that can easily slot a bleed in without killing their dps

[dim hull]

I mean you only need them to maintain the bleed every 10 seconds

[unborn spruce]

• mc only cost 10 so u have + 10

[dim hull]

I usually have my kfm teammate press RB to maintain the bleed, only for 22s of my rage timer then I’m back to be the one stacking bleed

[grim pasture]

Our raid mostly consists out of FM, SUM, DL, 1 BM and Light BD. So no good bleed options since we need two bleed appliers and since my dmg is on the lower end last i checked

[sullen cape]

I mean tbh

Bd and bm can switch easily to bleed

[grim pasture]

Tell that them...the excuse of the bds is they will have to much focus issues

[sullen cape]

[late saddle]

surely there's one FM playing useless build (dual dragons)

[grim pasture]

No only FM plays wicked twin not dual dragon

And my personal dmg isn't important if it means we can clear the raid easier

[late saddle]

DL, BD, BM can slot bleed easily without much issues. I heavily suggest going bleed LMB urself but not swapping 63043 books around

if they wanna clear the raid easier do the mechs properly

ok~1

[serene grove]

bd can work with having flicker.

they lose a bit of dmg

but you losing galeforce is waay bigger lose of ur dps

and costs a fk ton more

[grim pasture]

I wont switch many books. Just judgement + 1 trash acc with 3 executes instead of 3 galeforce

[late saddle]

and we're telling u swapping off gale isnt needed

when dl bd bm can slot a bleed without losing dmg

besides on boss 3 mech is the key

not a 22s missing bleed

trust

judgement yes, trash acc no

[grim pasture]

How do i apply bleed with judgement while fury is up without disabling wrath then? Without magic

[late saddle]

u don't, one of the other teammates will keep it up for that time

[grim pasture]

Yeah would be nice but i think only one of our regulars runs bleed and DL for example has 24s cd on bleed

so cant uphold 5 stacks

[sullen cape]

Yeah but like said force the damn bd/bm would make life way easier

You would have to butcher your dps crazy for 24/7 bleed

[grim pasture]

Yeah at least wanna test it to see how much dmg im losing

[late saddle]

i really don't think bleed will drop that much and certainly not worth losing so much of ur dmg, dropping bleed for a short time isn't going to have a major impact like missing a laser would

all in all u slot lmb bleed, others slot rush bleed, should be fine

[dim hull]

Actually you are only losing bleed for 12s and if the lancer bleed once you only lose 2s of bleed

[ionic saffron]

selling this in EU if anyone is interested

[tepid mason]

Destro still a dead class ?

[sullen cape]

Always has been

[tepid mason]

True

[sullen cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1431927637428932641/1508561333296042024/image.png?ex=6a189fb9&is=6a174e39&hm=884f54bce66548f5961e5199130091dcd4946a45ce810a54019ea7b0cbf063f4&

[tepid mason]

Btw do you play with 48 galeforce now?

[sullen cape]

Yeh

[tepid mason]

Idk i really want too play neo again atm

Guss ill come back too the game

[sullen cape]

You crazy

[tepid mason]

I allready now that much xD

But i guss for the moment i will try another class

[sullen cape]

I mean most broken is dark lancer rn

Then warlock after that wind kfm / lightning bd and destro comes after em

[tepid mason]

I mean there ia no class change atm so im forced too use another class atleast until there is one

[sullen cape]

Yeah we just had one last patch

So gonna take probably 3 months until the next

[tepid mason]

Then i guss ill be a kfm main until then xD

[serene grove]

is tis the real zevid

[tepid mason]

Sadly my ingame name is still taken

[serene grove]

[sullen cape]

Dude wanted to keep your legacy

And look what he became he turned into rat dancer and now warlock

[tepid mason]

He would not play a rat then xD

Now i need to think of a new name xd

[sullen cape]

Or tell him to switch off the name

[true vine]

I swear to god if Zevid logs into Daddy Daves i shot my brain out

[jagged gull]

bro wtf

[sullen cape]

Deadest class

Atleast we achieved something on destroyer

[jagged gull]

yes rerolling

[sullen cape]

The endangered species

[wintry gyro]

From yesterday

[sullen cape]

Na destroyers are still alive crazy

[dim hull]

guys

we will finally get gm stacks for RB

[grim pasture]

All i see is if you run 30GM Eradicate you can skip using relentless / judgement at all and go full rmb for fury stack generation. And not sure if the 48 GM effect changes much. For earth there is still no hope i guess

The 48 GM would mean you need to do 3 instead of 4 RMB RMB to get to 20 stacks with 100% critrate

[dim hull]

yeah just go 30 gm eradicate and done

48 gm is not too hot, for both specs

I expected more

[grim pasture]

Same kinda underwhelming overall and no earth fix as expected

[dim hull]

well unless we get x2 dmg on X and F like kfm did, our class is still dead

[delicate haven]

Hahahahahaha.... 2x add dmg and cdmg at 48gm... Nckr team are now my new favorite comedians. 🤡

[grim pasture]

but one add dmg only applies when you have 5 bleed stacks on the enemy

[strange crow]

Now eradicate only lol

[delicate haven]

Thats fine ... Earth has no downtime on bleed ... But its fkin add dmg ......

And no one will drop executes for cleaves on helicopter build anyway

[copper slate]

gameplay execute more boring xD

rmb-> execute

No need to manage focus

[late saddle]

so u can run judgement as shadow without issues ig

[grim pasture]

After "class balance" every class only has one viable spec and that is a hold 1 button build

[copper slate]

Ye xD

[grim pasture]

and they introduce simple mode so everyone knows how to hold that one button

[delicate haven]

By class balance u mean swap to dl?

[grim pasture]

What do you mean swap...there will only be one class remaining after their "Balance" everything else will get deleted

[delicate haven]

These guys are such a joke ... I cant....

[sullen cape]

Dumbest company i tell ya

That's the only way at this point

[strange crow]

Cleave eradicate finally wow

[wintry gyro]

Eradicate gm30 seems the way to go then

I already run without lmb skill, but i equipped judgment last night for bleed assist on mao

[unborn spruce]

ifu play mc u dont have bleed problems xD

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193250792921116823/1476301788360740984/rowjaw.gif

[wintry gyro]

[knotty grove]

hmm, I wonder how Korean Destroyer players reacted to these changes

[sullen cape]

well they only stack execute like morons

no galeforce

no mighty cleave

full ham execute

and ct on top guys

[unborn spruce]

balancing class in base of kr players whit no hands

hard

[sullen cape]

yeh

if they freakin balanced based on kr players gg

[wintry gyro]

Hurricane, fury, gm30 eradicate, gm48 thunder, and the rest is execute then

Still no clarification on the leaked legendary fury

Buff galeforce and make the cd 4 seconds

[delicate haven]

Buff galeforce by removing it from the game and moving its 48gm effect to rmb. 📈

[wintry gyro]

True, less bloat less think only hold rmb

[grim pasture]

Why not give the buff directly to execute and a nice crit rat buff for the final hit so we can skip rmb too

[wintry gyro]

True or throw it on mystic badge so all specs get super crit

[jagged gull]

so you just get 3 rage stacks per rmb

[grim pasture]

And in the next step make make the Axe thinner and voila we are almost indistinguishable from a lancer xD

[wintry gyro]

maybe for dmg and holding a button, but i rather keep my 2 stun 2 kd and tab spin

everytime i play another alt that isnt des, i always be hitting tab like i can spin but nope

[grim pasture]

Yeah i like my utility as well but would like a better block than our current tab

the 0,5s killed me many times in live already.

what i miss most is the healing from live ... f..k drain and maybe q dash from 3rd spec

[knotty grove]

i miss earth destro the most ;/

[grim pasture]

yeah i miss that playstyle too. But sadly the chances of that coming to NEO is lower than dropping Goldline acc in a dungeon

[knotty grove]

ye, and it seems that we will get full shadow destro with eradicate gm stacks ;/

[wintry gyro]

i played anything on destro during live

but 3rd spec is fun yeah, it just felt like everything combined from the previous 2

[grim pasture]

Thats not even the original shadow build. Shadow was eradicate + galeforce. Execute was only a skill to enable badges back then. From the 3 specs shadow was my least favorite.

[jagged gull]

now double MC dmg and we good

also remove the cd

[grim pasture]

Yeah remove cd if either first or last hit crits and give stacks back on same hit not some on first (badge) and some on last hit (GM)

[wintry gyro]

the cd and not having more effects of it on soul badge makes it weird

since they wont bother to change the skill entirely

[grim pasture]

Yeah MC sadly is pretty dead in its current state i guess would like to try and compare to execute but dont have the neccessary books

[wintry gyro]

what i can say for sure there is no frustration with relying on that last crit hit of executes

earth u just

very consistent, spammy, but just low dmg and a cooldown makes it clunky

smooth to play earth imo, and if the boss moves, u aint losing out much

[knotty grove]

ye i know, but still, ye shadow was boring one ;/

[wintry gyro]

some moments a boss does a little dash and gets out of 4meter range

[grim pasture]

Would like to have enough books for both specs to switch freely but with the current legy book availabilty this wont be likely soon

[wintry gyro]

ye, the only real fantasy dream is the new martial art system is like some type of skill tree and the books are just used as points to feed into any of the skills

at that point, the value of books will all be the same at that point and wont have skills attached to it lol

basically would just be reverting back to the original system

which ppl wanted since launch

[grim pasture]

Ok didnt check out the new system in detail. Just saw the screenshot andwas wondering why there wind bd and sin skills in one skill tree

But thats still months away for us and kr

[wintry gyro]

Lovely patch cycles for west, monthly Frankenstein patches

[terse mortar]

show love to the only top 10 mc player

alt btw

[hallow furnace]

[strange crow]

Might go back to MC des again lol

[wintry gyro]

[wintry gyro]

Lmfao, if that's what i think it works like, i said all the time that maybe the books go into a tome n u use it literally as the old skill tree

But u still need the skills, hence why they keep creating new gm effects

[sullen cape]

yeh was my thought aswell from the first stream

that they give us a libary (book collection thingy) and then you switch around freely between your main skills

but hey that's atleast pretty good qol no more freaking double class swap to try different builds

[late saddle]

looks like x rate book unlocks x-1 rate books

never trust ncsoft

[wintry gyro]

if the books are blank but class bound still, i see that being one possibility

[dim hull]

class is so dead

[late saddle]

Wow

[wintry gyro]

[wintry gyro]

if having all these leggy books just gives excess points or all of it to the cap, prolly fk around with earth loool

if no need to do the booshit double swap and extra books and all that, play shetty build for every other dungeon

[sullen cape]

that in kr ?

[wintry gyro]

nah, i seen kr thru nyonging, its packed

those be TW moonrunes

[sullen cape]

Ah true

[dim hull]

Yeah it's tw

[wintry gyro]

wonder whats better, def scaling or piercing, but not something id bother right now, no ess for sagewoods

But more def is nice too kuz mitigation

dont know the true math on bosses and other variables like boss lvl and such lol

[sullen cape]

i mean i went full piercing

i think that's better

had full defense before

but it feels like piercing is stronger

[grim pasture]

Since newer dungeon (Machi onwards) require lots of accuracy (at least 7k) is it better to go full piercing on sagewood or maybe split it 4/4 for piercing / accuracy?

[dim hull]

I play execute + galeforce and go full piercing on M-ao

Still have 99% accuracy but I think that is negligible

Mighty cleave though might need some accuracy stats idk

[copper slate]

I swapped 3 ss into accu

7,5k i never miss M-ao

[grim pasture]

Since I'm not full sagewood yet i guess i keep either acc or piercing on them depending what i roll first

[wintry gyro]

I got 7068 acc or something, it's 100% on mao

Might need more after dmg buffs for the new leggy dungeon kuz aint no way running that yet if ncsoft dropped it early lel

[grim pasture]

I'm currently at 5.8k and occasionaly see "evade" on Machi maybe 1-3 times during the whole fight

[wintry gyro]

Ye, at lvl 78 with 7000+ ull be set for a good while, i still saw evade around 6.7k and it was a last hit of exe

[grim pasture]

Yeah thats the reason I will try to aim for around 7k as well with sagewood...would suck to miss the last execute hit

[unborn spruce]

destroyer is not dead :/

[wintry gyro]

weekend wb

[sullen cape]

8

class change when so we can close destroyer finally

then nc can delete the class

[grim pasture]

Next class change Destros can change for free so they can delete the class

[wintry gyro]

6*

[empty flower]

holy

[wintry gyro]

ignore the alts/random players that have zero gear/level

[sullen cape]

true 2 were gem farmers or smth

[stuck sedge]

https://youtu.be/EbdmlgDneQU

[wintry gyro]

pyungdo without cd or changsu with cd

[jagged gull]

this is the widest widesceen ive ever seen lmao

[stuck sedge]

pretty sure without cd is better 😄

[brisk oar]

i will come back tomorrow too. 10+ destros

[grim pasture]

at least its not annihilation

[wintry gyro]

wonder what would be better, keeping galeforce or dropping it for gm48 eradicate and putting the rest of the points back into execute, even with the diminishing

one thing is for sure, u can go back to playing with no hands

[sullen cape]

Doubt it's that good

But yeh we will find out soon

[delicate haven]

soon™

[wintry gyro]

but if the swapping of skills is forgiving, im playing earth for a bit

lancer will carry

only annoyance is mushins core

[brisk oar]

can we play judgement with 30 stack eradicate? what about focus issues

[wintry gyro]

not 30 stack, 30gm, it recovers 30 focus "on hit"

basically a free cast

extra 1 rage if ur gm48 if "on crit"

most will just stick to 30 for the QoL and drop lmb

unless u wanna keep judgment as a backup bleed, kuz i run it now for mao to assist

[brisk oar]

ty for infos

holding right click looks easy and more promising about dps

but yeah the availability of bleed seems good for our options

[delicate haven]

More of a QoL than dps. How much dps eradicate does? 1%? 🤔

[wintry gyro]

It's more of burst windows versus consistent execute spins since theoretically u get back to it asap

After galeforce when u dont crit last hit, it does feel dookie, true gamble until cd is up

Only way to find out is to wait

Ignore eradicate period when it's about dps for said build, the comparsion here is what would be better or close enough, bursting with galeforce then noodling for 20+ seconds or being able to just hold rmb and get back to executing asap in any dps windows

Kuz the latter almost feels like lancer style they mostly build for, less burst, but consistent dps