Technical Computer Building/Learning

[dusky ember]

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-DisplayHDR-FreeSync-Adjustable-LS49CG932SNXZA/dp/B0CDQMQQS2/ref=asc_df_B0CDQMQQS2

I'm getting this instead so I can stack my two 27 inch monitors

[dusky ember]

9800X3D review embargoes to be lifted on Nov 6, 10PM CST.

[tame stump]

Is this a good computer for inzoi I’m looking at multiple and this is one of them https://www.aarons.com/electronics/desktop-computers/gaming-computers/asus-rog-gaming-desktop-w--total-defense-and-27-curved-monitor-G0004RN.html

[dusky ember]

RTX 3050 doesn't have enough VRAM to run the minimum spec

also wtf is this leasing plan

1.5K in interest

[heady quail]

5k????

Wtf???

[dusky ember]

https://youtu.be/s-lFgbzU3LY

Promising

[slow oxide]

@grizzled path you could build a whole desktop that's close to the reccomended InZOI specs for the same price as the PS5 disc drive
https://meupc.net/build/jFM5D6 (probably cheaper if you source parts from used market)

brazil prices too

[grizzled path]

i have a gaming pc, i was worried about the game price

[slow oxide]

pretty sure there'll be key stores selling em for less (use reputable ones)

[grizzled path]

yeah

[fossil cave]

4070 ti super

[vestal viper]

Thanks. 🙂

[slow oxide]

affordable isn’t Nvidia’s thing ya know

[slow oxide]

If you’re only using it for gaming, then a rx7900xt is slightly better for cheaper

[dusky ember]

Not everyone just looks at rasterized performance

If you use Nvidia's feature set then it is worth the extra money

At that price point Nvidia is 100% better considering that people are more likely to use ray tracing etc.

[slow oxide]

I knew I was gonna get ganked by you 🗿

I’m just saying if you want cheap, brute power, get a radeon

The only reason to buy Nvidia is for the CUDA Core & AI features

which is pretty much a premium if you’re looking for save your dollar

[hearty totem]

and not everyone utilizes 100% or OCs. your average consumer is gamers and tech bros

[dusk quartz]

I bought a new computer recently, so this early access has just come in time

I certainly hope the video card is enough. If not, I don’t know what to say. I think I have a 4070.

[slow oxide]

should be enough

if it's in a laptop it should be barely enough

[dusk quartz]

It’s a desktop

@slow oxide

[slow oxide]

yeah it meets the recommended

you good

[dusk quartz]

That’s what I thought. Thank you.

[fossil cave]

This is so weird, laptop gpus despite having the same name being like 50% less good

[dusky ember]

When did I ever mention 100% or overclocking?
I mentioned rasterized performance because thats the only reason you would buy AMD. At the $600 to $800 price point both AMD and Nvidia are good choices depending on what you need.

[dusky ember]

"If you're only using it for gaming, then a rx7900t is slightly better for cheaper"

This sentence is such a generalization. If I'm some guy asking for help to pick a GPU, all I get out from this is "Oh Nvidia is useless then. I'll get AMD."

You don't provide any extra info and are clearly biased by stating things this way. The fact that you only clarified after I pointed it out really says something.

[vestal viper]

Thank you.
Though I've decided that I'd buy a new gamer pc, because apparently mine is not strong enough for inzoi and it would cost a lot to upgrade it, so I might as well get a brand new one that's way stronger instead.
I just need to gather the money for it in the next few months.

[fossil cave]

Nvidia gpus have future frame gen which gives you 50% more fps in the cost of latency, it's only available for 4000 series and above

Got from 58fps in cyberpunk to 90fps 💀

[dusky ember]

Framegen is really only a deficit in E sports titles, where, you don't even need it anyways.

The latency is not very noticeable

Upscaling is also useful but imo the quality drop is more noticeable especially at 50% upscaling or higher.

[livid gust]

Hello, I was wondering if this would be a good laptop to play Inzoi?

https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/laptops/loq-laptops/lenovo-loq-15ahp9/83dxcto1wwau3

[slow oxide]

spec wise its okay, but you gotta find a longer warranty for that (like 2 years at least), coz that particular laptop tends to have issues

[livid gust]

Right, do you have any recommendations?

[dusk quartz]

You mighty want to look into Maingear I bought a PC from them recenty its awsome!

Not sure what part of the world you are in

[livid gust]

Australia 🇦🇺

[dusk quartz]

https://maingear.com/

They ship to you !

They have prebuilt and customizable !

@livid gust

[livid gust]

So I'm guessing my best bet is a PC over a laptop?

[dusk quartz]

I would I had a gaming laptop and I think I fried my wifi card from the heat

[livid gust]

I get it but I love chilling in bed and playing games, I must say I have been torn over the whole PC vs Laptop

[dusk quartz]

yeah same however the PC generally has better cooling but it is up to you 🙂

They also have gaming laptops too

[livid gust]

I'll definitely check the website out, thanks for that btw

[dusk quartz]

Your welcome happy computer hunting ! @livid gust

https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri

https://www.userbenchmark.com/

[slow oxide]

in that case, get a desktop and a steam link for your ipad with a mouse and keyboard connected to the ipad via the camera adapter (if no money, use an android tablet with the same setup)

so when you're gonna do some bed gaming, just pair up the ipad with the desktop via steam link and game on the bed

[livid gust]

I wouldn't buy an iPad nor a tablet just to play in bed, it wouldn't used any other time.

I'm happy to just either get a PC or a laptop, though I do heavily lean on a laptop so I can also bring it to other places and also use for school work if need be

[livid gust]

I realized I didn't 'reply' to your message initially so this is just for the notif

[slow oxide]

in that case you're in ozzieland right?

[livid gust]

Yep Ozzy Ozzy Ozzy oi oi oi and all that lmfao

[slow oxide]

just go to the local cashies for a secondhand alienware jk jk i mean how much bucks you're burning?

[livid gust]

I really want to keep under 2,000

But I do have reservations about buying secondhand stuff, like I don't know a lot about tech so I wouldn't be able to tell if there's anything wrong or dodgy or anything at all actually

Hence why finding a laptop has been a pain in my ass as it's all a bunch of numbers that mean nothing to my brain 😂

I've been eyeing the Lenovo legions (not too bad of a sale on some of them) and wondering if it's worth buying one or waiting to see if they have any end of year financial sales I think it's around June or a little earlier

[slow oxide]

for laptop go for this
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/acer-nitro-v-16-ryzen-7-16gb-1tb-gaming-ai-pc-rtx4060-8gb-acqp0sa001
for desktop go for this
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/sR72FZ

trying to not break the bank as much

probably plus another 50$ if you get the desktop one built by a pc store guy if you don't want to assemble the parts like legos lmao

[livid gust]

Hahaha I have tech friends who I can pay with food to do it for me lmfao

If I do decide to go for a PC

Although that laptop looks great I'm almost mad I haven't found it amongst the probable hours I've spent researching stupid computers

[slow oxide]

yeah it's almost a 100 bucks off that lenovo you're linked xD

[livid gust]

And way cheaper then the legions, the cheapest is on sale at 1899

[slow oxide]

aand here before i get flamed for the desktop part not using the 4070ti super instead

https://tenor.com/view/hammond-top-gear-pillock-hammond-you-idiot-sun-visor-gif-26753362

[livid gust]

Well you've been a great help, I very much appreciate it. I'll keep an eye on that Acer and I'll continue to debate about a PC in the back of my mind. Now I should actually go study for an exam I have tomorrow lmfao

[slow oxide]

good luck mate

[livid gust]

Things I'll need it with my strategy of 'wing it' 😂

[silk moth]

Im getting a laptop for Christmas specially for inzoi, any recommendations

[slow oxide]

how much money are we burning here

[silk moth]

no more thannnn 1k

[sudden portal]

Is this monitor alr for inzoi? Or do I have to have a certain one?

KOORUI Monitor 21.5 Inch Gaming Monitor FHD 1080P/Full HD 100HZ PC Monitor VA Panel LCD Display with Speakers Adpitive sync (HDMI/VGA/VESA Compatible/Audio Terminal) S01

[slow oxide]

their 24in has way better spec for not much more

iirc 165hz but still 1080p

[sudden portal]

Alr but what if I was connecting it to a laptop it be the same?

[slow oxide]

well you probably need to tinker the display settings to make it pump the full 165hz

but apart from that should be the same

[sudden portal]

Ok

[rare scarab]

pls dont use userbenchmark lol, that website is fraud

no kidding

[oak kestrel]

I have a rtx 4090 what is a good cpu to pair with it

[rare scarab]

7800x3d or new 9800x3d

[dusky ember]

highly do not recommend playing on a laptop in bed without a lap desk. blankets will smother your laptop and if you play on your legs, you will be uncomfortably burnt.

[dusky ember]

Depends on the resolution you plan on playing at. The higher the resolution the lower class CPU you can go for.

That being said, I would go for the 9800X3D if you want to go highest end.

[dusky ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LaptopDeals/comments/1gh1rf5/laptop_recommendations_for_the_month_of_november/

I recommend the Lenovo LOQ for $939

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305718430632

I wouldn't really recommend any of the cheaper options in this list because they do not meet the minimum VRAM spec.

[dusky ember]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305718430632

This is an infinitely better system

Again, LaptopDeals reddit is your best bet for finding good laptops

Every month they repopulate the list and fill it with the latest discounts

[oak kestrel]

4k

[dusky ember]

You can get away with a 7600X at 4K with a 4090

At this point, it depends on your budget and whether you want to actually spend it or not

I would personally go with a 9700X or a 9800X3D

[livid gust]

Yeah but most likely in USD and not AUD I assume

[dusky ember]

That PC is less than $1000 USD so will be cheaper than whatever that $1500 AUD laptop the other guy sent you.

And it has better specs

[livid gust]

Maybe on its own, I'll see what the shipping is added

[dusky ember]

Depends on the carrier, but shouldn't be more than $250 AUD

[livid gust]

It would cost, in total, $1680

So 100 dollars more then the other laptop that I can go buy in store

It's not a big difference I get that

[dusky ember]

The 4070 mobile is about 15% faster than the 4060 mobile. Depends on how much value you see in that vs the convenience of buying in store

It'll also be better at running Nvidia features like upscaling, framegen, and ray tracing

[livid gust]

Righto

[oak kestrel]

The rest of the budget is around $1500 AUD for the rest of the pc apart from the gpu

[dusky ember]

You might have trouble getting a 9800X3D at that budget ngl. Australia PC part prices are absurd

[dusky ember]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rWRJxg
This is probably what you're looking at if you want the 9800X3D

You can also go with a worse motherboard

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rktgsp

But getting it any lower would be hard without sacrificing too much

[oak kestrel]

I can increase the budget if i need to

[dusky ember]

Just gave you two lists to pick from

One is closer to your budget

The other has a better motherboard

Getting a better motherboard doesn't make the biggest difference, but you might get better performance (From better VRM cooling) or you get more PCIE lanes

but realistically, you won't see a huge difference with normal usage.

You may need to buy case fans as well

And if you want to spend more for an AIO cooler, that would be a good idea

[oak kestrel]

Thanks

[tough umbra]

Hi everyone

[acoustic rose]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006834/amd-ryzen-5-7600x3d,-asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

Could be interesting for anyone living near a Microcenter in the US

[sudden portal]

I need a new laptop the one I tried to get is not for outta laptops now I haven’t ordered yet tho

Idm it can be a pc in the Hundreds tho

Let me know hat monitor I need for the laptop or the pc

[slow oxide]

I ain't gonna even answer this one after me being called "that guy"

https://tenor.com/view/corner-gif-9475877701846540932

[dusky ember]

Gotta be more specific. A $500 laptop is very different from like a $700 to 800 one.

You should expect to spend $1000 if you want to run inZOI comfortably.

[dusky ember]

PSA:

If you're looking for a laptop, please please please please please PLEASE, use LaptopDeals reddit. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LaptopDeals/comments/1g0iv0b/rlaptopdeals_official_weekly_request_thread_post/

This is their weekly thread for laptop recommendations. You can scroll through other people's requests or make your own and you should get a reply ASAP.
While asking us is not a bad idea, the people who run the subreddit are more in tune with which laptops are on sale and therefore can get you the best bang for your buck.

Literally I use this whenever someone asks for laptop recommendations... So...

Might as well skip the middle man

That being said, these two laptops are the best you can get at less than $1000

You can find them here
https://www.reddit.com/r/LaptopDeals/comments/1gon2bz/november_2024_updated_list_of_budget_gaming/

[opaque oracle]

OK so I have a 2060 can my computer run the game

[dusky ember]

#faq message

If you have your specs it is better to compare it with the faq rather than asking us

Because you have all your info and we don't

If you need help interpreting the information then please ask. But you will need to provide more specs than just your GPU

[honest jackal]

would this be able to run the game?
https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/omen-gaming-laptop-16t-wf100-161-8x580av-1?jumpid=ma_black-friday-sale_product-tile_gaming_3_8x580av-1_omen-gaming-laptop-1#techSpecs

[dusky ember]

Unfortunately, I would say no. The RTX 4050 only has 6GB of VRAM as listed in the specs there. Please look at the FAQ for the minimum spec.

As for the specs overall, its extremely unbalanced. A lot of what you're spending on this PC is going to the CPU budget wise, which isn't the smartest idea when purchasing for gaming. What I mean by this is, the CPU is way too powerful for this GPU in most realistic gaming use cases.

I would highly recommend the similarly priced laptop in the monthly laptopdeals reddit listing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166992147463

It is refurbished which means that it has been used, but it will have been checked and repaired by the manufacturer and also be sold with a two year warranty as listed. At most, it will have some aesthetic damage like small scratches. However, for the price, it's a much better system than the one you showed.

The warranty is limited to US only though. Keep that in mind

If that is an issue, you can get this new laptop with full warranty:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305718430632

[honest jackal]

then I will get this one, thanks for the advice.

[honest jackal]

Would this work? I just searched google for this model and this was the first result.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-omen-16-1-165hz-full-hd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-1tb-ssd-shadow-black/6571057.p?skuId=6571057&extStoreId=126&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=20208125242&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAudG5BhAREiwAWMlSjNp-9PfpOyx9HE0R1krYfE9gx1OOeS1RlqapLuWyOigyA3QNwhNkVBoCvboQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[dusky ember]

Yes, but its not as fast as the two laptops I linked earlier

It has a 4060 8GB which is enough but slower than the 4070.

It does have more storage though.

Imo, storage is not a big deal. You can add that later on if you need more.

But I can understand if you don't feel comfortable opening a laptop to do that

[honest jackal]

is there a big difference in how fast/slow 4060 to 4070 is?

[dusky ember]

The 4070 is approximately 10-15% faster than the 4060 when considering 1080p gaming without Nvidia's upscaling, framegen, etc.

But since the 4070 has more cores, etc. It will be much faster when utilizing Nvidia's features like upscaling and framegen.

So you will see a big difference if you were to utilize Nvidia features like dlss upscaling, framegen, and raytracing

You probably will use those features by the way, if you don't know what they are.

You won't need upscaling, but frame generation and ray tracing you will likely use

I don't see a reason not to get the 4070 if they are the same price

[honest jackal]

I just ordered it, thanks for showing me.

[livid gust]

I was just curious if there was much difference between Intel and AMD? Like are they just as good as each other or is one notably better?

[dusky ember]

CPU wise, get AMD for laptops. They just use less power so you get better battery life. There is not much difference when using them for gaming

[livid gust]

I see, yet everything seems to mostly be Intel??

Do they have better branding and marketing or something?

[pearl wolf]

its stereotypes, basically

but intel isn't that much better

both are good

pros and cons

[sudden portal]

Lenovo LOQ Gaming Laptop 15.6" FHD IPS 144Hz AMD Zen4 Octa-core Ryzen 7 8845HS (Beat i7-12700H) 16GB RAM 512GB SSD GeForce RTX 4060 8GB Graphic Backlit Nahimic Rapid Charge Pro Win11 Grey + HDMI Cable

?…is this good they said it’s close to the other laptop that ran out…

[hearty totem]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-vengeance-i7500-gaming-pc-intel-core-i9-14900kf-64gb-ddr5-6000-mhz-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-2tb-ssd-black/6566233.p?acampID=0&affgroup="Influencers"&irgwc=1&loc=Justin Scott Wyatt&mpid=2467326&nrtv_cid=ce2yatqqsisj2&ref=198&skuId=6566233
worth it?

[hearty totem]

built an equivalent and taking criticism
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gz8qsp

(first link had too strong a PSU and one extra HDD than wanted)

[orchid glacier]

why did you choose a 320GB HDD

@hearty totem

[hearty totem]

bc I can and have a PSU that can use it and a mobo slot free

plus ALL THE MOVIES

ALL THE GAMES

[orchid glacier]

bruh

[hearty totem]

or two cod

[orchid glacier]

you can get a 1TB HDD fir $60

[hearty totem]

wait gb?!?!

[orchid glacier]

[hearty totem]

I am a stupid

[orchid glacier]

also

the WD blue is a piece of crap

[hearty totem]

this is why I need halp

[orchid glacier]

your motherboard has 3 m.2 slots

[hearty totem]

yes

[orchid glacier]

so replace the WD blue with another M.2

[hearty totem]

I'm not buying all the storage at once

[orchid glacier]

i know

get rid of the WD blue

keep the 2 990 pros

My brother has the board to

With a 7800 XT and a 9600X

@hearty totem

[hearty totem]

I removed them both

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RfrBmC

new list

@orchid glacier thoughts?

[orchid glacier]

looks good

you got 4 m.2 ports to

[hearty totem]

yup. planning to max the storage eventually

[orchid glacier]

i don't see any compatibility issues build looks good

[viscid torrent]

What resolution will you play on? 9800X3D paired with a 7800XT sounds insanely unbalanced

[orchid glacier]

its not unbalanced

[viscid torrent]

It very much is

[orchid glacier]

explain how it's unbalanced then

[viscid torrent]

Well question one as I mentioned is the resolution, if it's 1080p then I suppose I can understand

[orchid glacier]

i think dath is going for 1440p or 4k

[viscid torrent]

Yeah in that case the 9800X3D isn't really interesting, you're going to get better performance out of a 9700X and a better gpu

[orchid glacier]

....

are you tripping rn

the next gpu after a 7800 XT is the 7900

no one buys the 7900's because their bad

[viscid torrent]

?

Plenty of people buy 7900 XT's

[orchid glacier]

ya but not really worth the upgrade for a 3% perforamce gain

[viscid torrent]

You're going to get better performance with a 9700X and 7900 XT at 1440p than you will with a 9800X3D and 7800 XT

7900 XT gets 140 fps on average at 1440p, the 7800 XT gets 110 fps on average

I'd say that's a bit more than a 3% jump in performance

[orchid glacier]

where is the source your reading it from

[viscid torrent]

techpowerup

Probably the go to place for benchmark results :)

This is with an RTX 4090

With a weaker gpu the difference will be less

Due to a gpu bottleneck at 1440p

[orchid glacier]

just let dath decide

he might not have enough for a 7900 xt

[viscid torrent]

7900 XT is 640, so 120 more than the 7800 XT

The 9700X is 160 less than the 9800X3D

[hearty totem]

I chose the 9800x3d =]

[hearty totem]

it exists?!

[orchid glacier]

yep

[viscid torrent]

Also, the corsair psu in the list is old and not interesting

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qDLdnQ/nzxt-c850-2024-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-8g2bb-us

This one is significantly better and is ATX 3.x so it can properly handle modern gpu power spikes :)

[orchid glacier]

i wodun't touch NZXT power supplies

they have a bad rep

[viscid torrent]

Well

This is one of the best 850w psu's on the market atm

That's all I can say

It's a lot better than that Corsair psu

[hearty totem]

I chose the corsair rm850e

[viscid torrent]

Hm, the list had an RM650 2019

That said, this NZXT one is much better

[hearty totem]

ik I updated

[viscid torrent]

RM850e is not that good

[hearty totem]

I only need like 650w

[viscid torrent]

If you go 7900 XT 650w might be a little tight

But yeah, the RM850e is not interesting at all

[viscid torrent]

Be Quiet has a better psu calculator

[hearty totem]

fn love Be Quiet!

[viscid torrent]

That said

If your pc uses 600 watts under load, you don't want to get a 650w psu

Like, you want to give your psu some headroom

[hearty totem]

850 it is

this build is 3 months out so I'm not stressing

[viscid torrent]

Also because psu's perform optimally at like 40-60% load or so

But yeah, I can with my whole heart recommend the NZXT C850

It is one of the best 850w psu's on the market atm

[hearty totem]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4XsV3C/be-quiet-pure-power-12-m-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn505 but

[viscid torrent]

It is also much better than that one

[hearty totem]

the plan so far:
ryzen 7 9800x3d w/ noctua nh-d15s
on a asrock x870 pro rs
with 64gb DDR5
2 4tb samsung 990 pros
7900xt
case
nzxt 850w
sound card bc I love deep sound

[orchid glacier]

just get a 1500w for the shits and giggles

[hearty totem]

my current build has a 1000w and only uses like 600 on max load lol

fn 980ti/i7-4790k

ddr3 RAM

[orchid glacier]

ghost

your gonna need to change the psu to 1000 for the 7900 xt

[hearty totem]

it's an 850 tho

you're saying I need more?

[orchid glacier]

wont be enough under load

[hearty totem]

🫡

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nzv7PJ new list

[orchid glacier]

thats the old H1000i

[hearty totem]

gimme a good 1000w then lol

I don't know quality of PSU

[orchid glacier]

i will

[viscid torrent]

7900 Xt can do fine with a good 850w psu

[orchid glacier]

not if you OC

[viscid torrent]

Not sure why you would OC it when you can get a performance boost with undervolting it

[hearty totem]

waits cutely

[orchid glacier]

[hearty totem]

I don't plan to OC but would still like a PSU rec =]

[orchid glacier]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-HX1000I-Modular-Platinum-CP-9020259-NA/dp/B0BZ2CRW8H

thats the ATX 3.0

[viscid torrent]

If you wanty a 1000w psu though

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K6wmP6/nzxt-c1000-2024-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-0g2bb-us

This is the 2nd best 1000w psu on the market

[orchid glacier]

we really having a psu battle here

[viscid torrent]

Or if you want the best one on the market

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3yKscf/fsp-group-hydro-ti-progen-5-1000-w-80-titanium-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-hti-1000mgen5

HX1000i is a bit behind the NZXT C850

[orchid glacier]

how so

or are you just purposely trying to make corsair look bad

[viscid torrent]

It performs worse

No

Corsair has good psu's

And the HX1000i is great

The NZXT C1000 is just better however

And the FSP is even better

[orchid glacier]

for one iv never heard of FSP

because their banned in the UK

[viscid torrent]

FSP is a pretty big brand

[orchid glacier]

iv never heard of it

[viscid torrent]

They make a lot of OEM psu's as well

As in, psu's that companies like Corsair and such take and put their own badge on

[orchid glacier]

oh yes the crappy OEM psus that die within 6 months

[viscid torrent]

But FSP is pretty big

Not that kind of OEM

OEM as in what I just mentioned

Like most psu's aren't made by the brands themselves but by OEM manufacturers

Like CWT, FSP, etc

Both Corsair and NZXT psu's are made by CWT :)

I believe FSP mostly makes psu's for Be Quiet!

But they've also made stuff for other brands

It does however seem they keep the best for themselves to sell

[orchid glacier]

seasonic makes corsair psu's

[viscid torrent]

The HX1000i is made by CWT

THe NZXT C1000 is also made by CWT

Won't surprise me if it's almost the same psu

The NZXT one performs better however

Some other Corsair PSU's are also made by CWT

Usually brands have several OEM's for their psu's especially if they sell a lot of different models

Since you need a large production capacity for all those different models, and thus various OEM's

[orchid glacier]

I should ditch my CWT one then

[viscid torrent]

Why?

[orchid glacier]

and get a Chinese knock off instead

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, very long story short, NZXT C1000 is basically the most interesting option when it comes to 1000w psu's as it's extremely good and priced really well

If you enjoy reading numbers, graphs, and statistics, hwbusters (the ones behind Cybenetics) have a review on it

[orchid glacier]

ill just stick to my H1500I

[viscid torrent]

I want to replace my psu, it's so incredibly loud, I hate it

It just so happens to be nzxt, as every company makes stinkers

[orchid glacier]

my fan is silent

hardly makes a noise

[viscid torrent]

The C850 and C1000 though are super quiet, so I will probably get a C850

[orchid glacier]

my fan runs at Zero RMP mode

[viscid torrent]

I used to have an RM650X before this which was pretty quiet, but I switched to an ITX build, so I SFX psu it is

I believe basically all SFX psu's are just really loud from what I gathered online lol

Also, I just want to say, I love the double 4TB 990 Pro's in that list

It's so stupid overkill in the best way possible

That I can only endorse it

I have 4TB worth of nvme storage and 1TB sata ssd storage :P

[orchid glacier]

iv got 12 tb of nvme storage so im good

[viscid torrent]

Now that's epic

I want to replace my sata ssd though for a 4tb ssd, don't need the fastest thing in the world as it will mostly be for bulk storage, so I'm honestly fine with a qlc ssd

[orchid glacier]

im gonna head off

[viscid torrent]

Alright

Bye bye ^^

[orchid glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xETTEujAU

[viscid torrent]

Amd as well now?

Damn

[orchid glacier]

it happend with the 7800X3D

[viscid torrent]

I was only aware of Intel 13th and 14th gen i7's and i9's perishing

[hearty totem]

so I was conflicted

I thought

I researched (poorly)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vWhNGJ

shame me

RGB goes brr?

[viscid torrent]

14th gen intel is absolutely not interesting. If you want Intel then go with their newest Core Ultra
RM1000x is also not interesting, there's much better psu's for less money
That's way too much for a 7900 XT, for that kind of money you can get a 7900 XTX, you're better off with the Asrock 7900 XT for almost $200 less
The Noctua is nice and all, but for that kind of money I'd probably go with an Arctic AIO

[hearty totem]

but

I plan to add more storage, so more power

[viscid torrent]

Don't use that website for comparing stuff

[hearty totem]

I want the asymmetric cooler also

we can't use userbenchmark anymore?!

[viscid torrent]

Anymore?

Never could

They are publicly known AMD haters for years

[hearty totem]

what do you use to compare parts?

[viscid torrent]

Benchmarks

[hearty totem]

link pls

[viscid torrent]

Techpowerup, Gamer's Nexus

They often have really good benchmarks

14900K is good sure, but the problem is that it's almost impossible to cool because it draws so much power, is really expensive, and has a lot of stability issues

You're better off with either AM5 or with Intel's new Core 7 Ultra or Core 9 Ultra. The new Intel cpu's have basically the same performance as last generation but they consume much less power so you can actually cool them properly

In gaming AM5 is still more interesting, but if you also work a lot with Adobe then for sure Core 7 Ultra or Core 9 Ultra

[orchid glacier]

thats the meme

idk why amd still struggles with productivity

[viscid torrent]

Amd is great as well

Intel is still just a little better

It's just because Adobe is super heavily intel optimized

And quicksync often helps quite a lot with Adobe iirc

[orchid glacier]

doesn't amd struggle with AI stuff to

or was that fake news going around

[viscid torrent]

No, amd is actually doing super well with ai

I believe the 9700x is one of the best ai cpu's atm

Better than the ryzen 9 for some reason

[orchid glacier]

apparently you can't train AI models on their gpus only generate images

[viscid torrent]

Probably single core performance

Yeah, for gpu's it's nvidia all the way

For cpu's amd

When it comes to ai

[orchid glacier]

intel also has AI to

in their ultra series

and there gpus have it to

battlemage is coming soon

[viscid torrent]

Any AI stuff I really care about I'll have handled by all the big datacenters so I'll just focus on whatever gives me the best balanced performance for my workloads :P

[orchid glacier]

im gonna sell my 4090 next year

[viscid torrent]

Same, except it's my 3070 :P

[orchid glacier]

i might get the 5090 or the titan AI card

[viscid torrent]

I'm just going to see what's the most interesting in my price range

[orchid glacier]

i mean 48GB GDDR7 is a lot

and the 5090 has 32GB GDDR7

[viscid torrent]

The 5070 supposedly will only have 12GB

[orchid glacier]

ya it will

i think the 5080 is 16GB

[viscid torrent]

Like... why Nvidia :(

I'm already running into trouble with 8GB on current day games, if I get a 5070 I don't want to run into vram issues a few years later

[orchid glacier]

don't forget they always make the super models right

with extra ram

[viscid torrent]

If the 8800 XT is any good I'll just go with that and deal with FSR being worse than DLSS and the probably worse ray tracing as well

[orchid glacier]

its gonna cost me an arm and leg

[viscid torrent]

:(

[viscid torrent]

Going to be so expensive probably :(

[orchid glacier]

you wanna know whats funny

why does the 5080 only have 16 when the 5090 has double

[viscid torrent]

Because Nvidia wants you to buy their most expensive thing

[orchid glacier]

21k cuda cores

[viscid torrent]

RX 8000 will be revealed at CES, so I assume they'll probably go for sale in January as well then

[orchid glacier]

apparently amd is only focusing on mid range cards

i remember when the ceo said their not making high end anymore

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, it's just not feasible competing with Nvidia in the high end

Nvidia can just dump AMD's entire net worth into the R&D of one card

[orchid glacier]

did you know a long time ago amd could run cuda but nvidia sued them

[viscid torrent]

So they're better off focusing on the mid segment which is a lot more interesting competitive wise

Since most people aren't going ti be buying a 5090 or 8900 XTX anyways :P

[orchid glacier]

back in the late 2010s amd made 2 gpus that had cuda support but was disabled in the firmware

[viscid torrent]

Most people will probably get like 5060 and stuff

[orchid glacier]

this is why people run ZLUDA

https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA

[viscid torrent]

I'm also really curious as to what RX 8000's power draw will be like. With RTX 5000 seemingly having pretty crazy power draw :P

[orchid glacier]

well if the 5090 is 600W

id say around 400-500

doesn't the 7900 XTX pull 450w

[viscid torrent]

I think it pulls like 370

Ah, google says 355w

[hearty totem]

okay I figured it out. 2 more months of saving my spare cash and I get an uber PC =]

[viscid torrent]

Supposedly rdna4, or whatever it is that RX 8000 has is supposed to be more power efficient

But I guess only time will tell

When they actually release :P

[hearty totem]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sYgjXR

I'm ready for more abuse and criticism

[viscid torrent]

Psu to https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K6wmP6/nzxt-c1000-2024-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pa-0g2bb-us

Gpu either to https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v2qPxr/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pg-20go or to https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCBG3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-pg-24go

Peerless Assassin has the same performance as the Noctua D15 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

There is also the Peerless Assassin 140, but I can't find it anywhere for sale in the US, but I'm not on US google so you probably have better search results

Also, the price difference between the 7800X3D and 9800X3D is really small. So I'd just go with the 9800X3D, or go with either the 7700X or 9700X as they're both really good as well

[hearty totem]

nzxt bias, untrusted gpu, asym cooler desired

[hearty totem]

7800x3d benchmarks better than 9800x3d from what I've

plus I'm just going to be gaming

[viscid torrent]

There's no nzxt bias

It just factually is a much better psu

[hearty totem]

bias

I need proofs pls

[viscid torrent]

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/5/

Hwbusters is the go to resource for psu reviews

They do very extensive testing and they are also behind Cybenetics, which do official psu ratings that manufacturers put in their marketing material and on the boxes and stuff :P

Looking at benchmarks, the 9800X3D is faster in games than the 7800X3D at every resolution

It does have a little bit more power consumption though

So both are great options. 9800 will be a little faster, 7800 a little more efficient

Pick your poison :P

I wouldn't say the gpu is untrusted

Asrock is definitively not the biggest name in the gpu market, but they put some really big beefy coolers on the 7900 XT and XTX

From what I know their rgb software is kinda bad, but outside of that these two cards are good, great cooling

But if you rather not have Asrock then I'd say go with this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k72WGX/powercolor-hellhound-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-20g-loc

Powercolor is one of the main brands for AMD gpu's

And this one is very good

[hearty totem]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DTPTWc the final draft

[hearty totem]

you have convinced me

[viscid torrent]

If you really want to go with Corsair for psu then at least get the 2024 model instead of the 2021 model ;)

If you don't per se want de RMx as psu, then NZXT C1000, Corsair HX1000i, Asus ROG Strix 1000G Aura, and Thermaltake GF A3 1050w are all better options

[hearty totem]

2024 or hx1000i bc a friend will slap me if I don’t get a corsair PSU

TYSM for your help

[slow oxide]

Powercolor is quite good, but Sapphire is a bit better because they're essentially the EVGA of Radeon cards

(had experiences with both AIBs)

can't go wrong with either tbh

[viscid torrent]

Yeah but you're not going to spend $100 more for a Pulse

[slow oxide]

or a Yeston

🥶

[viscid torrent]

If it was a Nitro+ then sure, I can understand

But even then it's just a waste of money kind of

Because the Hellhound is extremely good

[slow oxide]

would buy a yeston card for the lolz (and fragrance)

[viscid torrent]

Yeston's 7900 XT is actually priced pretty well

And is also very good

It is sold out though

[slow oxide]

the waifu art and aromatherapy stuff is a nice bonus

iirc 4 years for the endurance of the smell

[viscid torrent]

I'd like to get a yeston card when I get a new gpu

I really like the way the cooler looks

[slow oxide]

im gunning for the Sakura ones

coz the clean white look

[viscid torrent]

I'd like a vertical gpu, and this just looks really pretty

[slow oxide]

nah you gotta flip it upside down to really showcase it

🤣

get the backplate lookin nice

[viscid torrent]

Also, with a slight undervolt you have the same performance but the card will be dead silent under load

Yeston uses some crazy good coolers lol

[slow oxide]

shame their nvidia lineup only goes up to the 4080

[viscid torrent]

I patiently await RX 8000

[slow oxide]

...so RX 7000 prices can go down (and miners dumping them)

hella bargains for meee

[viscid torrent]

No so I buy RX 8000

RX 7000 or RTX 4000 doesn't feel like big enough of an upgrade to be worth it for me. Since it's only one generation difference

As I have a 3070

[slow oxide]

i see i see

also ZLUDA for the AI stuff works

can confirm

[viscid torrent]

I went from 1070 to 3070, so I will go from 3070 to 5070 or 8800 XT (or whatever is available in my price range :P)

[dusky ember]

The consensus is that the 5000 series may MSRP cheaper than expected as the 4000 series was expensive at launch in order to move stagnant 3000 series stock.

You might be able to afford a bigger upgrade

Also, I own a 7900 XTX, and I "owned" a 7900 XT, I wouldn't really recommend either card.

It's a very.... meh 5/10 card

[dusky ember]

this hurts

corsair psu is expensive for no reason

they keep updating their models every year, which isn't bad, but not necessary for a part that already has a long ass warranty

its more important to find a PSU with a long and extensive warranty (at least, minimum 5 years. I recommend 7+).

[viscid torrent]

How come?

Friend of mine owns a 7900 XT and he's very happy with it

[dusky ember]

Performance is rather subpar for the price. The only good thing about it is the VRAM, but there's no game that uses 24GB

I think that for the games that I play, and games similar to inZOI that are graphics heavy, Nvidia's feature set makes more sense for better graphical fidelity

Also, I went through 3 7900 XTs before deciding to just get the XTX, and that was because all three from different models had insane coil whine

And my 7900 XTX still has it its a PC hellhound but its manageable now

Before this, it was loud enough to get past my ANC on my Sony headphones.

My thought is, anything less than $500, maybe $600, buy AMD. Anything more, get Nvidia.

Because Nvidia's GPUs at the low end can't even run their own feature set like ray tracing or DLSS or framegen with any sort of meaningful performance uplift, so AMD with the better rasterized performance for price is a better pick

At the higher end, Nvidia's feature set starts to allow them to pull away both graphically and performance wise even if their hardware like VRAM is rather subpar.

[hearty totem]

ah yes. the resident expert.

[viscid torrent]

Both 7900 XT and XTX give better performance for the price than Nvidia though

Ignoring ray tracing and stuff that is :P

Like, 7900 XTX has identical performance as the 4080 Super, meanwhile the 4080 Super in the US starts at $950 and the XTX at $850

[dusky ember]

Yeah, but at that price point wouldn't you want to use ray tracing? That's my point lol

For $1000 you get less graphical fidelity but better performance if you don't use those graphics!

So to me it's very situational

[viscid torrent]

To be honest, not really

Ray tracing is fun

But it honestly feels like there's more games where ray tracing basically does nothing or makes the game look worse. And the few games where it does look amazing I'd rather have the extra fps as ray tracing is still so incredibly heavy

I love pretty graphics as much as the next person, but I just don't really care too much about ray tracing which is why personally I'm fine with switching from Nvidia to AMD

That said, if you really want to use ray tracing a lot, the yeah, Nvidia all the way for sure

For me though in the dozens of games I've played, ray tracing hasn't really convinced me much

[dusky ember]

That's why I said its situational

But like, if you're playing a game like inZOI, you want the best graphics

And that usually means ray tracing is on

[viscid torrent]

I guess we'll see how ray tracing is in the game

[dusky ember]

We've already seen it lol

[viscid torrent]

I haven't

[dusky ember]

Many beta test videos have been out for a long time since the last closed beta

If anything, the ray tracing can't get worse

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, most games I turn ray tracing off because it barely does anything or it just doesnt look that good lol

I think the only game in which I have it turned on is Cyberpunk

[viscid torrent]

Can't rseem to find any comparison videos :(

When I played the character demo I didn't really notice ray tracing doing anything so I turned it off halfway through

[viscid torrent]

But yeah, whether I go Nvidia or AMD for my next gpu all really depends on the price :P

[slow oxide]

same tbh, rocked a Titan V in the past for work (and because Vega cards kinda sucked at the time)

[fossil cave]

I immediately noticed. It was on without me knowing (I didn't know that feature at all) and I played cyberpunk but I was like "hm.. why is there a delay.."

[fossil cave]

I use dlss in Fortnite around 60% and I didn't even know what it does, to me it all looked crisp

As long as you have a 1440p screen or above, the upscale isn't much noticable

It is heavy noticable for a 1080 though, imo everyone should upgrade to a 2k at least, it's more affordable than 4k and looks so much better than 1080 in general

[slow oxide]

lookin to get a mini-LED one for cheap (probably wait for Xiaomi to get the price war going with those)

(and for the obligatory "why not go full OLED?" I say: no monies)

[viscid torrent]

My monitor is still good so no need for me to get a new one :P

[dusky ember]

Tbf, it is game to game dependent. Cyberpunk is just heavy in general, so if you have around 40 FPS, turn on frame gen and get like 60-70, you will notice the latency more. You would notice the latency less if you just had more FPS in general.

DLSS should actually decrease latency. Also, when I say greater than 50% I mean if the number is lower. Sorry, that was confusing. 50% upscaling to 1440p is 720p. I'm surprised you don't notice any visual defects though. Screen tearing should be pretty noticeable especially in fast paced games like Fortnite

[dusky ember]

https://youtu.be/XJl3jTkoCLY

[fossil cave]

I wish I had OLED :( but I got a HDR screen with 165hz, I wanted a 1440p one that has at least 140hz and found that one

[fossil cave]

I had like 90 fps with frame gen and I noticed the latency :(

[fossil cave]

What is screen tearing? 😅 I heard about it but never did research, my screen also has a option to turn on something to reduce that, but I always leave those settings untouched

[dusky ember]

https://youtu.be/rg_0D96ZGSY

[viscid torrent]

I'd like to get an oled monitor one day, when I'm rich

:^)

Or well... I guess technically I could hook up pc to my tv, but then I have nowhere for keyboard and mouse :v

[slow oxide]

any monitor that has "Freesync" labeled on it usually works for reducing that

there also G-Sync but that's on a really few monitors that have it and also used to have a really restrictive hardware requirement (no suprise)
but both fall down into the VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) category

also this is also a handy guide for sifting out reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eveyRQtD-Sk

also for screen tearing here's this vid from AMD explaining it in more detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_ZiVY8vwE

[fossil cave]

Yeah freesync it is but I don't think I have it on lmaoo

[fossil cave]

I'll test

[dusky ember]

I bought this on sale

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-DisplayHDR-FreeSync-Adjustable-LS49CG932SNXZA

I got this 49inch one specifically so I could stack my two 27 inch monitors above it and not have it be uneven.

[viscid torrent]

Page doesn't exist it says

[dusky ember]

the link broke

https://a.co/d/diy0LTs

[viscid torrent]

Ah yes, super ultrawide

I'm still very happy with my current monitor so I don't think I'll upgrade anytime soon

[reef mortar]

I got the LG C2 42" OLED as monitor+tv and I am NEVER going back, its freaking gorgeous, massive and crazy immersive (I don't play shooters, mostly RPGs), amazing for productivity and it doubles as a full on smart tv in my bedroom so it's literally an all-in-one device for me. The massive screen as monitor isn't for everyone and you need to tinker quite a bit with settings because it's technically a tv but I couldn't be happier with it

[viscid torrent]

I only really use my tv for consoles and like, netflix and stuff

[slow oxide]

yeah the LG C series is banger value for big screens

[reef mortar]

Yeeeeep

[crystal badger]

Hey everyone, I have a 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-13400F 2.50 GHz CPU 16gb with a RTX 3050 6gb vram Graphics card. Do you think I could run inZoi on the lowest setting?

[viscid torrent]

Easily

Gpu is pretty lacking, but the cpu is fine so 1080p minimum should probably run perfectly fine

[slow oxide]

you're gonna at least knock the graphics lower than lowest, like I'm talking "900p with 0.8 render resolution" kind of low

[viscid torrent]

I'm not so sure

Like, I think 1080p will run fine

Especially since the 3050 supports dlss

So 1080p minimum graphics should probably be very doable for that system

[slow oxide]

only dlss 2.0 to be specific, so not that much of a boost especially with a xx50 card

3.0 locked to 40-series

[viscid torrent]

Looking at benchmarks it's a pretty big boost

It'll depend on the game how much impact it'll have

But I think with dlss the 3050 will probably run the game fine

[slow oxide]

sounds pretty nutty

but let's see the final visuals for this game later on

[dusky ember]

The issue isn't FPS, its the VRAM and whether its enough to render all the textures.

[viscid torrent]

At 1080p minimum I don't think 6GB will be an issue

[dusky ember]

Seeing how games have been coming out:

1. We don't know if any of the recommended/minimum specs require frame gen or upscaling.

2. Have you seen MH:Wilds Beta?

[viscid torrent]

Well if the minimum specs are for like 1080p30 with upscaling or something along those lines then it for sure will be rip 3050

[dusky ember]

Yeah, that's why saying something will be "fine" when it misses the minimum spec is misleading.

[viscid torrent]

The thing is, specs are misleading in general

I've seen plenty of games where I'm above the recommended specs and it runs like shit

Or games when my friend is below the minimum specs but the game runs great on high graphics

Assuming the minimum and recommended specs are for 1080p. I'm well below what would be considered ideal for 1440p yet at max graphics I was getting good fps in the character creator demo

So I don't know, it could very well be that it's barely playable with a 3050 on 1080p minimum with upscaling, but I have a feeling it'll probably be fine

Worst case scenario it's not fine and then 💸

[dusky ember]

The character creator demo is a terrible representation of performance because you aren't pushing VRAM at all.

You aren't considering that these types of games aren't processing intensive but texture intensive.

Finally, min usually equals 1080p30 while recommended is 1080p60. Most games have only required 4-6GB for the minimum spec. The fact that both recommended and minimum require 8GB suggests to me that this game will be VRAM intensive.

[viscid torrent]

As long as they don't specify resolution and fps targets all we can do is speculate what the min and rec requirements mean :P

[dusky ember]

That's like saying "That guy's height is 175" and then saying its not in centimeters cause the dude didn't specify.

[viscid torrent]

That said, minimum and recommended having the same vram target

Usually if you go higher in graphic settings vram goes up quite a lot, I've noticed in most games

[dusky ember]

It makes zero sense for a game dev to move away from convention because that only causes confusion

[viscid torrent]

So either min and rec is just a difference in fps

And not in graphics settings within 1080p, or both min and max graphics at 1080p use the same vram which sounds not very logical to me :P

[viscid torrent]

There's no conventions when it comes to system requirements though

Every dev / publisher has a different understanding of what performance you're supposed to expect with min and rec

I see some saying 1080p30 minimum with upscaling for the minimum specs. Others say 1080p60 minimum no upscaling, and so many not listing anything at all in terms of performance target with what settings

So for now all we can do is speculate unfortunately :(

And my speculation is that at 1080p minimum graphics with upscaling the 3050 will probably be able to run the game

[dusky ember]

Ok then, this is all speculation and therefore worthless.

So then I pose to you, are you yourself not speculating even harder by recommending someone something worse than minimum spec?

I don't understand that part

[viscid torrent]

Huh?

[dusky ember]

If your argument is speculation

[viscid torrent]

I'm not recommending someone to get a 3050

[midnight coyote]

Please be kind when conversing in here. People are allowed to have their own opinion.

[viscid torrent]

Wdym?

They came here asking if their system will be able to run the game, I'm not saying they should get a 3050

[dusky ember]

I find it misleading to say a 3050 can run the game when the minimum specs say it should not

[dusky ember]

What if the person was saying specs of a computer they found? What if they buy it and can't run the game?

[viscid torrent]

Then it would be a completely different story

Because no way would I recommend for someone to buy a system with a 3050 now

But that has nothing to do with this

[dusky ember]

Again, is incredibly misleading to say "Yeah I believe it will run the game because of these reasons" and not say why it wouldn't be able to if "so and so" happens.

[viscid torrent]

I don't really see it that way at all

[dusky ember]

A 3050 could run the game, but based on what we KNOW now, which isn't speculation, it SHOULDN'T be able to.

[viscid torrent]

Based on what I know from playing videogames is that system requirements are always rather loose

[dusky ember]

You never follow majority, you always follow trends. 80% of major game releases this past year have been stringent on their hardware requirements.

[viscid torrent]

That said, I don't see at all how me saying that a 3050 being able to probably run the game is misleading at all

As long as nobody knows how the full game performs outside of what is seen in the demo, I feel like it's a safe thing to say

[dusky ember]

When recommending hardware in general, you always base suggestions on reliable information.

What we have is a spec sheet ONLY. The character creator is not a good representation of game performance, because that is like... 5% of the game.

Recommending a GPU below those specs IS FINE. I never said it wasn't. But to not include any information on why it WOULDN'T be fine is misleading. You are just saying "Yeah it will run and I know it will because of these reasons." makes people make poor decisions.

[viscid torrent]

Nobody here is recommending hardware

They came asking if what they already had would run the game

[dusky ember]

And you just unequivocally said that it would. That's my issue with it LOL

Also, "running a game" is entirely subjective

I know people who are happy playing on console at a constant 1080p30

I know people who running the game means 1080p120

Usually you should always target 1080p60 because that is the most common monitor spec

[viscid torrent]

Alan Wake 2 has a minimum vram recommendation of 8GB yet the 3050 runs that game at 40 fps with dlss

See the problem

[dusky ember]

DLSS what? performance? Thats 50% upscaling from 540p.

[viscid torrent]

Just looking at system requirements doesn't really tell the whole story

Sure it gives an indication

[dusky ember]

But not relying on them when that is your only data point is misleading

Thats my point

[viscid torrent]

And my point is that fully relying on them is also not viable

As I just said, with Alan Wake 2

It doesn't meet the vram requirements yet it gets above 30 fps in the game

[dusky ember]

So you are using a whole nother game to benchmark another game

That is worse than using a spec sheet

[viscid torrent]

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make here

It's not about comparing Alan Wake 2 and Inzoi here

:(

[dusky ember]

No, I get your point, I'm saying that it is misleading regardless

You always rely on info that you have that is specific to your situation

[viscid torrent]

It's about how system requirements are not something to stare yourself blind on if that makes sense

[dusky ember]

Sure, fine, but not stating anything about the spec sheet when stating a 3050 can run the game is misleading.

If your response was "Based on my experience and other games, I think it will. Just be aware that the spec sheet says it won't, so I recommend you try it if you don't want to spend money" that gives them all the data they need and all the data you can give.

But you didn't mention the spec sheet at all

[midnight coyote]

I reccomend both of you stop this argument. Both of you are allowed to have opinions end of story no need to disallow other opinions

[viscid torrent]

Another example would be Starfield, minimum vram also 8gb yet the 3050 gets 40+ fps in that as well with dlss,
Immortals of Aveum, minimum 8gb, 3050 gets 50 fps

[dusky ember]

Look, I respect you because of your position in the community, but you are misinterpreting what is happening here.

If you still want us to stop then sure.

[viscid torrent]

Sorry, I'm trying to be respectful here :(

But I think they're just missing what I'm trying to say. I think not being a native English speaker also doesn't help me bring my information across

But I will stop the conversation if that's what's better :)

[dusky ember]

The 2nd part of my last comment was the crux of my point. If you don't think not including all info is not misleading then I don't know what to say.

[viscid torrent]

Now this makes a lot more sense, the fact that me not including my entire reasoning as to why I think a 3050 will work being misleading rather than the fact that I'm saying a 3050 will probably work being misleading

[dusky ember]

Partly yes, it's that you are speculating, but you don't talk like you are.

You put out examples as to why it will work, but never mention why your reasoning is speculative and never point to the only data that we have that is the most reliable.

[viscid torrent]

The thing is, what I'm trying to show with those examples is that the system requirements aren't without fault

[dusky ember]

Like this answer is what bothers me the most.

[viscid torrent]

It's a great indication, but not something to fully adhere to

[dusky ember]

To me that gives absolute confidence that it will run and even run well.

[viscid torrent]

Having a quick look at other games that are already out where the 3050 is below the minimum required specs it seems to easily be able to run all of them. Hence my comment on it probably being able to do so here as well

[dusky ember]

And also I think considering hardware to run something contingent on DLSS is just not a good standard we should work towards.

[viscid torrent]

What do you mean with that?

[dusky ember]

If game developers start to think that gamers are fine with DLSS then they will get lazy with optimization.

That's what I mean

[viscid torrent]

Ah, like that

[dusky ember]

It's already happening.

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, unfortunately that's already becoming a thing :(

[dusky ember]

I don't like it

[viscid torrent]

As long as visually I don't notice anything I don't mind. But I'd rather see it that games don't need it at all to run well and that it's more of an assistance tool for weaker / older systems to last a little longer

[dusky ember]

Sure, but like your response you never included any of this nuance initially

[viscid torrent]

I'll keep that in mind, to be more descriptive when I give advice or similar in the future

[dusky ember]

I hope I wasn't overly critical.

[viscid torrent]

No worries :)

[dusky ember]

To me PC's are like buying cars, and if I went to a dealership I'd want the dealer to be upfront and accurate with me and provide me with all the information.

[viscid torrent]

It was just a bit difficult sometimes because I would say something and you'd read it in the complete wrong way, and vice versa lol

[viscid torrent]

All I know about cars is that they go vroom :^)

[dusky ember]

Tbf, DLSS image quality reduction is pretty hard to notice but it's really obvious to me

https://youtu.be/T86IufvA4qg

[viscid torrent]

It depends on the game for me, in most games I don't really notice any difference except for my fps being a lot higher

In some games it looks pretty obvious

[dusky ember]

To me it just looks blurrier even at DLSS quality.

But DLSS at higher resolutions makes more sense imo

I only notice it when upscaling to 1080p

[viscid torrent]

I will just patiently keep waiting for the new gpus

[fossil cave]

3050 is weaker than a 1660ti

[fossil cave]

I'm above recommended but the fps dropped already when I changed the background, so it's to expect that the gameplay itself will drop in fps even more since thats not just a background

[fossil cave]

Holy fuck I thought minimum is like "playable on 60 fps on the lowest graphic settings" 😭

[fossil cave]

Istg so many people here are thinking "running the game": no crashes, no long freezes

They ain't even know the difference between 10 and 100 fps cause every game they played on their toaster ran on 10fps so they don't have anything to compare lmaoo I'm not over those people, it's so funny honestly

[crystal badger]

Thanks everyone for your input. Honestly I'll just have to see when early access releases in March if I can run the game.

[viscid torrent]

The big difference though is that the 3050 supports dlss which the 1660 lacks

So in dlss supported games the 3050 performs a lot better due to that

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, if you notice it just doesn't run well then it's gpu upgrading time

[normal sonnet]

Would this pc work https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6538896.p?skuId=6538896&sb_share_source=PDP or this one https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6535558.p?skuId=6535558&sb_share_source=PDP

[viscid torrent]

No

Not for Inzoi at least

Light esports titles will run fine, but for heavy games this is not going to work

[normal sonnet]

None of them?

Or this either https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6535558.p?skuId=6535558&sb_share_source=PDP

[merry cargo]

This has intel graphics, you need a dedicated gpu to be able to run inZOI. #faq has the spec requirements

[viscid torrent]

Also no

[fossil cave]

Dlss is shitty on full hd tho, everything will look blurry/pixelated, whereas on a 1440p screen you barely notice a difference

[fossil cave]

Honestly those prebuilds are a rip off, they be giving a decent cpu but trash GPU (graphic card is important!!)

If you'd build your PC by your own and buy each part individually, you'd get a much better PC for less money

[viscid torrent]

I wouldn't say they're ripoffs. They're just not meant for gaming

[fossil cave]

If you need to pay 1500 for a low end PC then it sure as hell is rip off

A office PC is like 500 worth

Gaming is 1000+

[viscid torrent]

It's an aio

So it's going to be a bit different in terms of pricing

Is it a good deal, absolutely not, is it a ripoff, also absolutely not

[fossil cave]

Idk anything about aios so can't say anything about that

[viscid torrent]

It's basically an office pc with a 32" 4k monitor, all of which will get Lenovo support so it's a bit of a different product than a gaming pc

But yeah, it's not what you should be buying should you want to play games :P

[sudden portal]

Can someone give me a few pc and laptop suggestions on Amazon!?

Cuz the stuff is running out🙏🏽

[viscid torrent]

What Amazon?

[sudden portal]

Wym..?

[viscid torrent]

There's like 20

Like, Amazon Italy? Canada? Japan? US?

[restive helm]

Do we need anything specific to run the ai?

[fossil cave]

A graphic card with 8gb I think

[reef mortar]

8 GB VRAM(!) yes, not just normal RAM

[fossil cave]

Yea I meant that, just forgot the name

[sudden portal]

Oh uhm try Philippines I’ll ship to USA ik how so jst find one for Philippines there laptops are cheap n stuff so do Philippines

[viscid torrent]

There doesn't seem to be one

[fossil cave]

Try to get a PC rather than laptop, it's better for gaming

[viscid torrent]

Technically yes, but if they happen to need a laptop for like school / work / travel / space constraints etc then it will be more interesting than a desktop

[dusky ember]

Never buy an all in one. It's a scam. If it breaks, you can't fix it because the parts inside are proprietary.

[dusky ember]

Don't compare these to a prebuilt. These are not prebuilts. They are all in ones.

[dusky ember]

philippines does not have a dedicated amazon site.

[fossil cave]

What's the difference?

[dusky ember]

A prebuilt PC is a desktop PC. All in ones are PC parts thrown into a monitor.

[viscid torrent]

All in ones are basically a pc and monitor squished into one

[dusky ember]

All in Ones are proprietary

Prebuilts use consumer PC parts

BIG

BIG

difference

[viscid torrent]

:P

[dusky ember]

It's more accurate to compare an All in One to a laptop

[viscid torrent]

It's always a bit hit or miss if they use consumer or proprietary stuff in regular prebuilts as well

cough dell cough

[fossil cave]

But a pre built has all the parts in the computer too , is the difference only a desktop? Or

I don't understand

[viscid torrent]

An all in one is basically an iMac, the screen is the pc
A prebuilt is a desktop computer that's pre-assembled by some company

[fossil cave]

Ohh

[dusky ember]

Ok so you know PC parts you can buy online? All in ones never use those. So if any of those parts break, you need to replace the entire PC, and going through warranty is a pain in the ass. Also, parts tend to be glued or soldered on so there is limited customization.

Prebuilts use consumer parts. You can buy the same or similar parts online

You should never buy an all in one. Its the price of a prebuilt while being worse performance wise and having no upgradability, repairability, customizability, etc...

[fossil cave]

I guess no option is good unless you build it yourself then

[dusky ember]

Well you don't build a prebuilt yourself...?

[fossil cave]

Yea

Either built one yourself or get ripped off by a all in one or pre built

[dusky ember]

Again. Prebuilts are NOT the same as an all in one

[viscid torrent]

No

[fossil cave]

I saw pre builds being way too expensive for what they offered

[dusky ember]

I might say prebuilts are not great, but that's relative to building your own PC. Prebuilts relative to all in ones ARE INFINITELY BETTER!

[viscid torrent]

Prebuilts can be scams. But there's plenty that are great deals

[dusky ember]

I can cherry pick data too lol

That's like a rare case usually by a untrustworthy company

[fossil cave]

Amazon

[dusky ember]

Amazon is not a PC selling website

Holy shit do people not understand that...?

Also amazon does not sell the PCs, its individual sellers on Amazon

[fossil cave]

They sell PC parts so why wouldn't people look for whole PCs there too?

[viscid torrent]

Amazon is great for pc components. But for entire pc's it's super hit or miss

[dusky ember]

Amazon DOES NOT SELL PCs OR PC PARTS

Look at the top left of an amazon listing

It never says "AMAZON"

It says another company

that happens to sell on amazon

[viscid torrent]

Over here they do actually

[dusky ember]

Thats crazy

LOL

[viscid torrent]

Amazon sells parts themselves

Not sure about entire pc's

[dusky ember]

What? I've never seen that

Link me

Because if they sell parts it is usually under the part's manufacturer's store

Like AMD CPUs are in the AMD store

[dusky ember]

wtf

Oh its because probably gigabyte doesn't have a store on the site

They don't directly distribute on amazon then

GPUs are an exception.

If you look at founder edition cards though it will say Nvidia

[viscid torrent]

Oh yeah, Amazon sells entire pc's as well

[dusky ember]

Link?

[viscid torrent]

Founders editions are sold by not nvidia

[dusky ember]

wdym?

[viscid torrent]

But random ass sellers

[dusky ember]

Yeah. those are scalpers

not really the same

You always check who is selling

There are 9800X3Ds right now on Amazon listed for like $200 but sold from China

[viscid torrent]

Amazon also sells Lenovo, HP, Alienware etc

Themselves

[dusky ember]

I'm trying to find wtf CoolPC is but nothing is showing up

It could be a minor company that uses amazon for selling

Again like... Buy from reputable companies

Amazon as a whole does not sell anything besides their Amazon basics stuff

[viscid torrent]

Yeah like I said, they sell Corsair, HP, Lenovo, etc prebuilts as well

[dusky ember]

It might be in your area doesn't have the official product stores

[fossil cave]

I need PC case recommendations, any advice? Need good airflow and and stuff

[dusky ember]

Again, its not like its an Amazon branded PC

[dusky ember]

Antec Flux Pro

If you don't care about budget

It's the best PC case on the market for airflow

[fossil cave]

Never heard about that one

[dusky ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqLyqUdQNcg&t=7s&pp=ygUaYW50ZWMgZmx1eCBwcm8gZ2FtZXJzbmV4dXM%3D

[fossil cave]

Hmm

It's cheaper than the one I had my eye on, I'll take a look

[viscid torrent]

No, HP, Lenovo, etc have local official stores

[dusky ember]

HP and Lenovo also sell to offices and are considered global like Dell, so I'm not surprised

[viscid torrent]

Lian Li Lancool's have excellent airflow as well

[dusky ember]

Corsair is US based

[viscid torrent]

Corsair does sell themselves in the EU as well, I guess they just use Amazon for more and easier reach

Alongside their own store

[dusky ember]

But again like... Just because it says "Sold by Amazon" doesn't mean the product is an Amazon product....

[viscid torrent]

Oh yeah, I know

Was that the point then? Because I must have missed that then :P

[dusky ember]

Yeah. So my point stands, Amazon is not a PC selling company

That was my point

Amazon doesn't sell anything other than their Amazon basics stuff

The site itself is a marketplace for other companies to sell their products

[viscid torrent]

They're a middleman, like how you buy a HP pc at bestbuy or something

[dusky ember]

Therefore, it doesn't make Amazon a reliable place to buy

That is what I mean

[viscid torrent]

That said, there's actually a pretty good black friday deal on a Lenovo prebuilt here rn

[dusky ember]

I don't think Amazon is comparable to Bestbuy at all. You need to be a reputable brand in order to get your product into a Bestbuy store.

Meanwhile, you can just register to be a seller on Amazon and sell stuff from your garage

[viscid torrent]

i5-14400F and RTX 4060 for 649

[dusky ember]

Crazy how its on a deal and still more expensive than the parts themselves.... They probably still have a profit on it

It's probably a 4060 8GB

[viscid torrent]

I don't think prebuilt is cheaper, let me check

I mean

Selfbuilt

Lol

[dusky ember]

4060 8GB $300
14400F $175.
Storage can be bought for 1TB at $50 consumer pricing, and it's probably low end with no cache.
RAM is probably not 10NS standard speed. You can get 16GB DDR4 for like $30
PSU is probably bronze or lower, you can get for less than $50
Motherboard is probably a low end motherboard with limit lanes. Less than $100

But thats based on consumer pricing

It's probably lower if they get it from a distributor

[viscid torrent]

Different market

We don't use dollars :P

[dusky ember]

is 649 EU then?

euro?

[viscid torrent]

Yes

[dusky ember]

Well tbf is not that different currency wise but the prices are higher for consumer parts

so for europe yeah thats not bad

[viscid torrent]

Building it yourself would be like the exact same price, plus shipping and a like 10 euro windows key

So it's a pretty good deal

[dusky ember]

europe is a big caveat... pc parts are insanely expensive there.

[viscid torrent]

Also, prebuilts from like Lenovo and such often actually have surprisingly decent psu's

I found out

[dusky ember]

like what?

brand

and spec

[viscid torrent]

It's all just weird OEM stuff from Delta, CWT, etc etc

But often from reviews of those pre-builts the psu's are pretty solid. Only issue is that they tend to be the bare minimum wattage so you can't upgrade anything :P

But most of the time they have like, pretty alright quality 300w gold psu's or stuff in there

[dusky ember]

tbf Dell actually makes decent prebuilts if you know how to customize it on their site, but for the price its not the best. plus the motherboards tend to be proprietary

[viscid torrent]

Basically stuff you wont be able to buy yourself as they are specifically made for like Dell, HP, Lenovo etc to use in their prebuilts

Dell has some huge stinkers, but they also have some good stuff

[dusky ember]

i have a dell workstation at work that has a 1000W PSU and a 13500F, and we threw in a A750 into it aftermarket, and the PC without the GPU cost us $1299 each

[viscid torrent]

I think that kind of goes for most companies

Almost every company has some real bad stuff and some real good stuff

[dusky ember]

The motherboard is proprietary and on all the workstations we got the headphone jack doesn't work....

we had the motherboard replaced and it still didn't work

[viscid torrent]

Rip

[fossil cave]

It is bad for Europe bro

I don't wanna get scammed eirher

[dusky ember]

did you not read the entire thing or just that one part

$649 for a prebuilt with those specs is not bad, but you likely get stuck with cheap parts

but that goes for most other prebuilts too

Anyways, I would just never buy anything PC related on Amazon except for accessories

[fossil cave]

How is that not bad when self build will be cheaper

[viscid torrent]

It's not

[dusky ember]

By how much? like $50?

[viscid torrent]

I just said self built is actually a little bit more expensive

[fossil cave]

But bway more quality

[viscid torrent]

Self bult will be more towards 700 euros

With the cheapest parts I can find

[dusky ember]

Even if it was $50 or even $100 more you are paying for the convenience.

[viscid torrent]

Thats said, some of the cheapest parts are still very solid

[fossil cave]

Quality>quantity

[viscid torrent]

In which case this deal on the prebuilt is very good

[dusky ember]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pyhLDj

how tf is this cheaper

And this is with the lowest end parts I could find on the site

[viscid torrent]

Damn, the 14400f is 100 euros over here, Germany getting scammed

[dusky ember]

I literally sorted by cheapest and picked that one

There is no european site for pcpartpicker so de was the closest

[viscid torrent]

Yeah, each country has their own tech compare websites

Pcpartpicker isn't really used in europe

I don't know the comparison sites they use in germany though :(

[dusky ember]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Kqj9Wc

Tbh just get everything cheap and its the same price LOL but you get the crappiest looking fan, case, and a bronze 500w PSU from a company ive never heard of.

[viscid torrent]

Xilence, they're a brand that exists

[fossil cave]

Idealo and notebookbilliger I think

[viscid torrent]

I wouldn't put that psu in my pc, lets put it that way

Oh, and the Lenovo prebuilt uses ddr5 even

So even bigger difference for self built compared to ddr5

That said, it does seem to have some weird proprietary motherboard so that's :(

[dusky ember]

On idealo:

14400F - 159 euro - https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/203711970
4060 8GB - 333.66 euro - https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/203528427
1TB SSD - 21.59 euro - https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fanxiang-M-2-NVME-SSD-1TB-2TB-4TB-PS5-SSD-With-Heat-Sink-Interne-Festplatte-Lot-/364917820556
2x8GB RAM DDR5 - 44.70 euro - https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/201989988
Cooler - 17.91 euro - https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/6404583
DDR5 Motherboard - 74.89 euro - https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/203126291
Case - 29.90 euro -https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/204711752
500W PSU - 22.92 euro - https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/1158481

Total = 704.57 euro

How is this cheaper

LOL

The storage and PSU are both nameless brands

The RAM is DDR5 but 4800Mhz CL40 which makes it extremely extremely slow

Slower than 3200Mhz 16CL DDR4

[fossil cave]

Cl40??😭

[dusky ember]

Yeah how is this cheaper LOL

[viscid torrent]

That's sodimm as well for laptops

[dusky ember]

oh shit i didnt even notice LOL

[viscid torrent]

Lel

[dusky ember]

So the ram is probably more expensive then

For non-sodimm

[viscid torrent]

Also, the cpu does come with a cooler so I guess you can save some money on that

[dusky ember]

the 14400f comes with a cooler?

[viscid torrent]

Yes yes

[dusky ember]

oh

well still makes it like $20 more expensive if you get the same priced RAM

[viscid torrent]

It comes with this thing

[dusky ember]

https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/201662468

This is the cheapest desktop ram i could find

still 4800Mhz CL40

And only $2 more

But that still makes the total 688.85 without the cooler

So its still $38 more