▫️Cyberpunk 2077

[mystic shadow]

when you go into video settings and mess with the peak brightness slider, it seems to screw something up with exposure

or RIS

i can't tell

I don't think it's RenoDx doing it

[vale orchid]

The HDR Settings peak nits is merely a suggestion to the game, at times.

[mystic shadow]

i think when you change it, it does something, but then stops

[vale orchid]

Btw, you know you can undock the reshare windows, right?

[mystic shadow]

like sometimes i change it and it does nothing

sometimes it messes it up

[mystic shadow]

yea

it seems to be 50/50 here

sometimes it changes the brightness, sometimes it does nothing, when you mess with the game's peak brightness slider with reno. I think it's gits

[vale orchid]

Lut correction at 0?

[mystic shadow]

50

[vale orchid]

I mean, if the LUT isn't HDR, then that could maybe do it

It's not the best for adapting SDR LUTs

[mystic shadow]

could be

@random geode fyi

[vale orchid]

Set LUT strength to 0 and see if it has issues

That'll tell you if it's the LUTs

[mystic shadow]

alrighty. good idea. will try that tm

out of time tn 😦

[gilded summit]

looks like ris enabled on the left and disabled on the right, but it can also be NRD, hard to tell

[mystic shadow]

Unfortunately Control Panel or whatever with Ultra+ makes it a bit weird with toggling NRD/RIS

it get stuck or switched

[gilded summit]

the game defaults to an denoiser

if you run native resolution or DLAA, it will disable Ray reconstruction automatically forcing NRD on

#1199064523554963506 message

this message leads to a CET mod that will nuke NRD, i think it also has an option to disable tonemapping

[whole girder]

@vale orchid you didn't happen to notice how much BLAS CP allocated in your travels did you? 😊

[mystic shadow]

What do you mean it nukes NRD? I thought we want NRD?

i dont run native res either

i run dlss quality

[mystic shadow]

It wasnt' RIS becuase I was toggling that manually to test

it's something with the game's peak brightness slider

I think it might be a gits + ultra+ issue, both trying to mess with RIS or something? I'm totally guessing. I need to test it tonight with different mod combinations

It almost seems like with gits, the peak brightness slider controls RIS?

like the brightness of RIS

it's something weird like that

[vale orchid]

BLAS?

[whole girder]

basic linear algebra subprograms. they're cached on the CPU ram usually with dozens (or hundreds) of memory allocations. CP allocates a 900MB pool, and pre-allocates 150MB of it, but with all this PT going on I wouldn't be surprised if it goes over

[vale orchid]

i've only messed with the GPU shader stuff. really if it never hits the GPU, i've never seen it since i'm only inspecting what's going on with DirectX

[whole girder]

okay I'll do a dump

[gilded summit]

It is most likely GITS, I tested it last night, but i was to tired to respond. Increasing brightness (midpoint) doesn't change how it looks, and im not running ultra +. Both RIS and NRD didn't cause it. The tool is just named NRD nuker, but it does the same in Ultra+ I think, maybe not cant remember

IDK what it is, but my game has similar lighting to the one on the left pic

Might be some fake lighting probes still being active or something

or it might be screenspace reflections (raster) i'm kinda curious to figure this one out too

[mystic shadow]

I think GITS may just be too buggy unfortunately

I like what it does but it just seems like too much to deal with

I will just remove it

Thanks for taking a look!

[mystic shadow]

If you do happen to figure out exactly what it is, please let us know 🙂

[gilded summit]

IDK if gits is buggy, but i do know that the car internal reflections it ads can be buggy with modded in vehicles when mod authors don't implement this 3d glass + reflections right

[mystic shadow]

i'll test tn and i'll determine if it's GITS specifically. I'd say I'm about 80% sure it is

because it had another issue with the peak brightness slider causing UI brightness changes

and that one was 100% gits

like when you max the slider, the UI was showing up at 3000 nits lol

[gilded summit]

yeh i noticed that too, seems renodx now affects the map too, which is a bit of a bummer, since some luts require midtone 3, which makes the map look blown out

[mystic shadow]

oh really?

[gilded summit]

the ui should be able to be tweaked with paperwhite in the game menu though

[mystic shadow]

what value midtone do you set in game/reno?

[gilded summit]

i use nova lut, and it needs midpoint 3

[mystic shadow]

ah ok

i'm not using any LUTs

so i'm using 1.0 in game and 1.4 in reno (because ultra fog is a bit darker)

[gilded summit]

i mean you can compensate by using 1 in game and renox midpoint to like 6 or so

[mystic shadow]

@vale orchid renodx might affect the map fyi. If you already knew this my apologies

[mystic shadow]

yea you can use either

i just keep in game at 1

so reno is 1:1

[gilded summit]

i havent ran vanilla luts since ages

[mystic shadow]

I'm okay with the vanilla LUt since I simply just toggle the d65 temp in renodx. It looks good to me. The too warm vanilla temp was my biggest issue

[gilded summit]

if you run nova lut at 0 strenght its really neutral

[mystic shadow]

I'm okay with vanilla lut + renodx + ultra fog

but i'll try out nova lut later

more interested in this weird gits thing first

because i do like that mod

[vale orchid]

that's been fixed already

[mystic shadow]

amazing

you're a wizard

[whole girder]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-harry-potter-youre-a-wizard-im-a-what-gif-4760815

[mystic shadow]

lol that's what i was thinking of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-4C3n7rim8

[whole girder]

haaahahah

[mystic shadow]

Should I update the dlssG file to the latest?

already updated dlss and dlssD to 3.7

[vale token]

i only updated dlss and dlssG, the denoiser I left it at 3.5 because whenever i tried with others i had worse quality/artifacts, i feel this is written specifically for the game

profile E for the new 3.7 dlss/G

[whole girder]

it is, CPs is a custom build

[mystic shadow]

I've been using 3.7 but only because Sammi recommended it lol. I never did a direct comparison

Lol okay so I figured out what was happening with the peak brightness slider

When you adjust stuff in the in game HDr settings and you go back to the game, there's like a 10-15 second period where the eye adaptation gets wonky

if you wait like 10-15 seconds, it darkens back to normal

so it's a vanilla issue

It's more noticeable in bright ass areas

like if you load a save

and for a few seconds everything is blown out, then it goes back to normal

[vale token]

Yes, this started to happen since Overdrive was introduced, now is better after latest patches albeit not solved

[south verge]

Figured I'd drop this here In case anyone feels like testing a new LUT (HDR only) based on Kodak 2383 film. Feedback would be lovely 🙂

[indigo summit]

Looks amazing

[gilded summit]

what midpoint settings you recommend?

[south verge]

I tried to dial in a neutral around Reno's default settings. Around 1 should be fine

[whole girder]

mmm, teal

[native spire]

Awesome work, 1980s golden era of Sci-Fi vibes.

[south verge]

Appreciate the kind words. Honestly the blue is out of control with this one and might have to be tamed a little 🤣

[brittle sphinx]

@whole girder sorry to bother you, I have a friend who tried ultra plus but it made his game extremely blurry.
He tired to reinstall the entire without the mod but the bluriness remained, are there other files to clean to remove ultraplus changes ?
We followed all the instructions and the game remains blurry in 4k dlss quality

[native spire]

Almost turquoise or aqua, overall it's great - I think you are onto a winner with this, let us know if you have time to make a v2.0 with some fine tuning. 😎
I really like where you are going with this LUT, I have a certain idea of how Cyberpunk should look like in my mind from watching Blade Runner too many times, more cinematic/stylized suits the game better than "realistic" which many others seem to target.

[mystic shadow]

I think turning RIS off is making shit way too crushed

it's turned off for gits

but i dont think it's worth it

way too dark

[south verge]

Ohh for sure. It's still a very early beta. Haven't even gotten into tweaking colors yet, let alone looking into creating an env... Shadows/contrast/highlights have been most of the work and unbelievably hard to get right lol

[mystic shadow]

Also the game is just too finicky with disabling/re-enabling RIS

[brittle sphinx]

damn no clue what's happening, my friend has 24 fps in native no raytracing with his 4080

even reinstalling the game several times doesn't seem to fix the issue

cleaning conf files etc

[whole girder]

no there aren't... it's also not ultra+ causing this 😊

you're fine to ping me. unfortunately idk what's causing that though, unless you're using a very old version of ultra fog

[whole girder]

yes that's a better assessment. it's a total vibe

[whole girder]

make sure to follow this https://support.cdprojektred.com/en/cyberpunk/pc/sp-technical/issue/2233/how-do-i-clean-install-my-game

its also worthwhile completely deleting Nvidia and directx shader caches, and if they have an AMD CPU, make sure to run the AMD auto driver detect tool even if they've already run the chipset tool

this has nothing to do with U+

[brittle sphinx]

Yeah I figured it's not specifically the mod because we removed every trace.
Weirdly the game vanilla has very low performance, and dlss doesn't seem to improve performance.

he just ddu-ed and reinstalled nvidia drivers without success

only cyberpunk is being messy

special K shows the proper framebuffer res, dlaa on and it still looks awfully blurry smh

.<

[whole girder]

this sounds like a driver issue. see my note about AMD CPUs above

[brittle sphinx]

will try

[mystic shadow]

@whole girderwhat makes Ultra Fog so much darker? It's not explained by the reduced bloom. Is it just different edits to the weather and lighting? I'm not complaining, just more curious

[brittle sphinx]

huh so he asked someone to connect to his account, try his cyberpunk on his pc and he now faces the same issue.
so it's either baked in the saves which also impact new clean saves, or shader cache that is shared on steam for some reason ? he's gonna test with a clean save folder and no cloud from steam

[mystic shadow]

that's extremely odd

[whole girder]

it shouldn't be that much darker ... the vanilla game uses up to 8 levels of bloom / blur... this is additive, so it does have the effect of increasing the overall screen brightness (and raising the black floor)

but that should be easy to offset by just adjusting the black floor and levels

[whole girder]

from what i saw while developing ultra fog, it added maybe 4% brightness? which i've generally "removed"... i generally object to bloom increasing brightness across so many scenes like this, because it has a net effect of just lowering the bits / information, and isn't quite how the eye works

[mystic shadow]

can you open HDR files

it's much easier to see

[whole girder]

yes

[mystic shadow]

yea look at that

i'll take a better comparison one sec

[gilded summit]

i think bloom ads luminance, if you put bloom on 0, the sun just becomes a white looking disc in the sky without much light emitting from it

[mystic shadow]

I adjusted bloom in reno settings. It didn't fix the overall darker tone

Just light from highlights

it's like it's lowering paperwhite

that's the best way to describe it

[whole girder]

there is also a fake backlight in the steam/smoke, which ultra fog reduces (usually to about 1/4 ... in this scene that's part of the effect you're seeing (u fog is right)... part of it is bloom brightening ... but i can't explain the rest of the brightness reduction

[mystic shadow]

some of it is definitely the bloom

[whole girder]

the particle fx "backlight" is not physically-based, it's a hack

[mystic shadow]

but not everything

again, i'm not saying it's wrong or anything

just something i was curious about

[whole girder]

also if you're running ultra+, it will integrate particles better into the path tracing

[mystic shadow]

yea i'm using ultra+ 🙂

pt20

[whole girder]

no i get it

it's not personal 😂 ... my question is "which is most physically-based (real)"

and then secondly ... what suits my taste for the mood of the game

[mystic shadow]

yea exactly the questions to ask

Basically if I raise exposure from 1.4 to 2.0, the overall brightness looks very similar

[whole girder]

compare the two images again knowing that the smoke is artificially brightened without ultra fog, and tell me what you think

this is a fascinating comparison. i spent much time A/Bing images exactly like this

[whole girder]

yes ... maybe i underestimated how much influence the bloom has

[mystic shadow]

yea in that case vanilla is bright for no reason

[whole girder]

in hogwarts for example, it's a LOT

[mystic shadow]

so i agree with you

also simply raising bloom to like 200 in renodx isn't enought to offset the overall brightness drop

so it's more than bloom i feel like

[whole girder]

yeah. i don't think either of the images are perfect... CDPR's original lighting is more artistic, i think i'm going for more moody (like ... what would it be like to actually live in this world where everything is kind of broken)

[mystic shadow]

it's possible it removes something in vanilla that is sorta like RIS?

[whole girder]

yeah same

i didn't change any light sources though, so that's interesting

[mystic shadow]

yea i'm not sure

what about weather/lighting edits?

[whole girder]

it's literally

• bloom reduced (to about 25%)
• increased sky inscattering (a lot)
• decreased cloud silver lining (by about 1/2)
• decreased backlight of a lot of particles (i still have sooo many to do 😭)
• left some particles alone where they were used specifically as a cinematic effect (Dex's car i reduced the smoke by only about 30%, for example, from referencing CDPR's trailer footage)
• increased some spark amounts (e.g. a vehicle sparking on the ground might have emitted 6 sparks, which was unrealistically low or not even visible)
• decreased the "wrap" (fake shadow) on some particles by abouy half

d'you know, i actually think this is the silvering effect

i think it might be. according to the game assets it's a "cloud" effect, but it seems to affect a lot more than clouds

if you lower it a lot, the game stops looking like cyberpunk and starts looking like a UE game ... but at its default setting, it's too much imo, and makes "wet" scenes not actually look wet, and "fog" not actually look wet.... i think that's what's happening here

[mystic shadow]

that could be it

[gilded summit]

talking about these smoke particles, i do love your mod, there are few like this which seem to follow vanilla logic, like dust coming from landing on the floor, that is still "over exposed", and a few more i forgot, are you planning on working these over, or are you done modding the fog/dust particles?

nvr mind, i should have read a bit more "decreased backlight of a lot of particles (i still have sooo many to do 😭)"

[whole girder]

oh, there are still soooo many particles to do

haha yes

i just need timmeeeee 😭 lol

they're also atrociously named, so difficult to find, and AMM can't tell me what assets they are always

[gilded summit]

i know its a pain, so i usually dont touch anything fearing i break more stuff than i can fix

[mystic shadow]

@whole girderIf I have another mod overwriting the env 006 file, would I still get all the smoke and fog and particle effects from Ultra Fog?

[whole girder]

yep! just not the bloom / sky blowout / anti-silvering

Cyanide and i will integrate his lighting mods with ultra fog soon

[mystic shadow]

Is this part of the 006

[whole girder]

yes 😊

[hearty sonnet]

Hello, thank you for your work! I'm not an expert on HDR stuff, can you share some Reno DX settings to use together with your lut? Thank you 🙂

I'm using an OLED monitor

[south verge]

Was created to work alongside reno with it's default settings. The only thing you may need to change is general exposure (.66-1.47).

[hearty sonnet]

Oh I understand now, thanks for your reply 🙂

[mystic shadow]

What's vanilla exposure again? Like 0.85 with 2x paperwhite?

[gilded summit]

stock game does midpoint 2, paperwhite is just for the UI elements. AKA a brightness slider. Most people settle on about 1.25 with vanilla lut and bloom. In game midpoint setting is like a brightness slider. It is mostly personal preference though, you can use it to compress/decompress shadow detail or low light detail, and/or to give the sun bleached effect and put it on 3 or so

[olive ether]

midpoint is exposure

[mystic shadow]

I thought the vanilla game had like 400 paperwhite. I forget. I'm not talking about the in game paperwhite slider. I mean the actual paperwhite. Reno lets you choose it. Vanilla uses a static value

[olive ether]

Well if you want to match renodx to vanilla

I can take a pic of what I have

[mystic shadow]

What's the difference between a gamma slider and brightness slider?

[olive ether]

It looks like a perfect match to me

One sec

ok so here's the game with vanilla tonemapper in renodx, keep in mind that vanilla tonemapper with renodx is slightly different from off with renodx because of all the weird lut scaling that cdpr did

they had a bunch of nonsense code that made changes to the image based on a variety of factors, like DLSS on had slightly lower black floor than off and nonsense like that

RenoDX On Vanilla/ RenoDX Off Vanilla

this is with peak set to 550 and midpoint set to 2 in the game menu

but there's also the issue of black floor raise because of the gamma mismatch

so now here's an image of the game with gamma correction always enabled next to a match using ACES

RenoDX Vanilla Gamma 2.2 Always/RenoDX ACES

but keep in mind that whatever hdr lut mod you're using might be made knowing that the game has the gamma mismatch

so then you'd have to disable gamma correction always

you'd need to compare sdr to hdr to be sure

so basically just set in game menu midpoint to 2 and do this. gamma correction set to always may be wrong depending on how the mod creator did their HDR LUT

[mystic shadow]

I'm not using any LUTs

I don't think any of them look great in HDR to be hoenst

even a lot of the ENV mods don't seem to look right in HDR

[olive ether]

In that case you can just do what I did I guess

[mystic shadow]

I think I'm good with vanilla LUT post renodx tweaks

[olive ether]

Def use ultra plus fog

Great env

[mystic shadow]

which exposure are you using?

1 in game, 2 in reno?

[olive ether]

2 in game 2 in reno

[mystic shadow]

why 2 and 2

[olive ether]

Paper white is lower

[mystic shadow]

and not just 1 and 1

[olive ether]

I tried matching to vanilla

So in vanilla sdr

Comparing to vanilla hdr

[mystic shadow]

but isn't 1 and 1 the same as 2 and 2

[olive ether]

Renodx takes your in game setting and multiplies it by the renodx setting

[mystic shadow]

ohh

gotchya

so really it's 4?

[olive ether]

Ya pretty much

[mystic shadow]

the reason you are on such a higher exposure is because ultra fog makes things a lot darker

which is fine

but it does make it a lot darker

[olive ether]

I did the comparison with ultra plug fog on for both

I didn’t notice any difference when I installed it

[mystic shadow]

do comparisons of ultra fog on vs. off

[olive ether]

Ultra fog reduces bloom by a ton

So that’s prob the difference in brightness you’re seeing

Cause the bloom adds brightness

[mystic shadow]

#1186114072027074651 message

no

it's not just bloom

absolutely not

[olive ether]

Ah

Either way

The settings will match regardless of ENV

[mystic shadow]

yea

so you're using aces?

not the new renodx tonemapper?

[olive ether]

The new tonemapper changes the look of the game too much

Once I beat phantom liberty I’ll be more open to changing the look

Since I already beat the base game a while back

[mystic shadow]

why did you go with 80 paperwhite?

just curious

[olive ether]

I just did lots of back and forth

And it’s what I settled on

[mystic shadow]

sounds good

[olive ether]

2.2 always is a little too dark for me but maybe on an oled its more visible

I ended up just settings on default settings

but d65 and lower bloom

[mystic shadow]

what's the difference between a gamma slider and brightness slider? Brightness just lifts brightness uniformally?

[olive ether]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/z7cshworz0

thats the gamma variable

2.2 vs 2.4

idk if brightness has a set definition

but i think brightness usually refers to a uniform adjustment

[mystic shadow]

Yea that's what i figured

[mystic shadow]

So it seems that cyberpunk is reporting me going over the vram budget a little bit (using SK since it's good at showing actual vram usage) however I'm not seeing any real noticeable impacts in game

it's interesting

if it's using system RAM as overflow then I can't notice it

and i'm not seeing low res textures either

so maybe the game is desgined this way? No idea

[gilded summit]

thats pretty cool, i notice is straight away, frame times go all over the place, can't say i notice many low level assets, sometimes there are just whole chuncks of the map gone. It does dynamically adjust some things though, like decreasing traffic / pedestrian spawns and likely more

[mystic shadow]

Actually i think it causes stutter. Just not all the time

Idk it's really hard to tell what's causing what sometimes with this game

Lol

[gilded summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qcHP2NoQ5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imrvee-da7U

[vale token]

Wow, what LUT you on? And with RenoDX? And dat cinematic DOF, very nice, I’d like that too 😉

[native spire]

Mod list please Rem. 🙏

[gilded summit]

Heavy lifting is done by nova lut, renodx, otis cinematic dof (reshade), default pathtracer with nrd (i dislike nrd but when disabled it removes lightsources). Some popular texture mods and a bunch of LOD mods but those are secondary though

o i think a bunch of GITS things i used also affect it a lot

i manually merged sammi's bloom/smoke mod, gits, nova, so its not really possible to just download and play this, but i can share the file if you wanna try it

though not every weather state i have in my recent file works great with my current setup, i took some weather from alternative weather visuals too

[gilded summit]

https://github.com/FransBouma/OtisFX/blob/master/Shaders/CinematicDOF.fx

[vale token]

Thank you, if you could share I’ll give it a go. Will play also with Otis DoF. With Nova Lut and RenoDX i assume you had to use crazy values for nits and stretch that hard?

[gilded summit]

already send 😄 look at your inbox

and nah these are not crazy values, midpoint 3 in game and you need ~135% original nits

best to check it first witouth renox, and adjust the peak nits accordingly

with the help of liliums hdr analisys

or if you have an lg ~800 peak you can use midpoint 3, peaknits 1110

tonmapping was done with shortfuse's tonemapper at 99% strenght 100% gives issues with the sun

[mystic shadow]

Ah sorry dude. I was supposed to test that file

I never did. But it works correctly?

[gilded summit]

yours might work i thought it didnt swap weather states, but try it out im not 100% sure

[mystic shadow]

Aight thx

[gilded summit]

just try to see if the weather changes in a 48 hour period, if it does, yours is better than mine

because i tried merging weather rebalance with all the above

[mystic shadow]

Haha ok. I'm on vacation but when i get home I'll try

I don't think mine has nova lut right?

Which is good. I don't want a lut. I feel vanilla is fine with renodx

[gilded summit]

it does have nova, but you can easily replace it by giving priority to the vanilla lut i send you

or what ever other lut you like

[mystic shadow]

Nice thx

[gilded summit]

im not actually sure i gave you that or posted it somewhere here

[mystic shadow]

You have me something a while ago

But i don't remember exactly what

It's when we were chatting about gits

But I'm still not sure how to use gits when the game forces RIS back on all the time, ya know? How do you deal with that??

[gilded summit]

well you kinda know now how wolvenkit works, so you could overwrite the mod with the vanilla lut and repack it

[mystic shadow]

Yea I am going to try to learn wokvenkit again and will see what i can do myself

But yea. RIS idk

What do you do?

[gilded summit]

its not the end of the world that ris can be enabled

it will be the same as vanilla

so nothing lost

[mystic shadow]

But doesn't gits make changes assuming RIS is off?

I assume it could cause some double lighting edits in the same spots?

Or nah?

[vale token]

After some testing (thanks again), I find myself in the same situation as BR4P, wanting the changes but without the nova lut. i don't have the vanilla luts in archive form, if you have them can you share to give the priority over nova lut?

[gilded summit]

there should be a file in my drive with the nolut addon

[vale token]

Indeed it is, thank you!!

[teal imp]

https://youtu.be/FqSoB836POE?t=3902
Alex breaks down the presentation on CP2077 Path Tracing 2.1 update

[gilded summit]

gonna post this here too, no idea if this is something happening to others too #1216700679612268564 message

pathtracing or raytracing showing different HDR renderings

update: likely the ENV file

[vale token]

That was a good overview of the newer SHARC and NRC, but bummer i was hoping to see NRC in a future patch for Cyberpunk….

[gilded summit]

for sure would love to see either NRC or an update to RR, maybe get rid of some of the quirks there with more training or something.

sammi included a shark debug toggle in her ultraplus mod, which makes it visible, was interesting to see

[mystic shadow]

@gilded summitSorry if you already answered this, but for GITS, what happens if you are in an area where GITs makes custom changes to the lighting, but then RIS is forced on on top of it?

Does that cause an issue

[gilded summit]

no it just undoes what ever gits does, so you will get vanilla rasterised lighting ontop of path traced

[mystic shadow]

Okay thank you

@gilded summitI forget, do you use RR?

[gilded summit]

yeh i try to avoid NRD so RR is the only option unless you want a very noisy image, but IDK why it is, but some of the pathtracers NEED nrd, likely the 2.0 version

or half of the lights wont transmit actual light

[mystic shadow]

Yea i've been using pt20 so i have RR off and NRD on

What happens if you use both NRD and RR at the same time?

like check them both in Ultra+

[gilded summit]

i tried to do that, but it wouldnt let me

but default vanilla pathtracing has RR + NRD

but NRD is also quite destructive on textures

[mystic shadow]

but can't do that in pt20? What about pt21?

[gilded summit]

i think pt next is possible but you need to do it in a particular order and disable the NRD automatic toggler

idk anymore tbh

[mystic shadow]

yea

[gilded summit]

if you run in native resolution nrd is forced on

[mystic shadow]

I could have sworn everyone was saying to use NRD instead of RR

but now seems like the opposite

ha

[gilded summit]

idk i tend to run them both on lately

unless you make closeup pictures of peoples faces, or textures its fine

[whole girder]

wow https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14467

[random geode]

ohh interesting

"Supports HDR (experimental)"

[whole girder]

it's so pretty 😍

[vale token]

I’m unable to check it myself today, but is this a HDR LUT, or just merely stretching up?

[random geode]

Not sure, I won’t be able to check it today either.

[south verge]

Likely just a SDR LUT

[vale token]

Thanks, was suspecting so…

We would need a recreation of the vanilla HDR without its quirks and limitations. And if it has a tonemapper built in (speaking about the 1900 nits limitation) to have it removed. Would be interesting to experiment and see how the creative intent can look in conjunction with RenoDX tonemapping

Not sure if that can be achieved though

[south verge]

No idea. The vanilla HDR is a beauty, lots of fine tuning for sure.

Been using it as a gauge for contrast/shape for my other luts.

[native spire]

@south verge did you keep working on your Teal infused LUT? 🙏

[south verge]

Yes and no. As of now I've been focusing on baking transforms (ACES2 & AgX) into the vanilla HDR lut. Will definitely be revisiting a more stylized lut in the future but it probably won't be directly similar to what I had released.

The in-game tonemapper I feel is just too contrasty in general and even with reno's help, something still feels off when you subtract too much contrast. Definitely a balancing act 🤔

[olive ether]

ShortFuse baked certain values into renodrt if you check the GitHub

If you set all the values to default it’s essentially just DICE tonemapper

All I did was up contrast to ~1.15 and it looks really good with the vanilla LUT

[south verge]

Yeah I'm aware of the contrast differences with ACES2. I've tried to replicate the look of aces 2 with reno but it must be the extra stuff included that makes it look superior to me. idk, hard to explain.

[olive ether]

Aces has some hue shifts in it

Like red to orange

[south verge]

Its more about the way it handles shadows. You'd have to see it in person I think

[olive ether]

Did you bake ACES2 into the vanilla LUT?

[native spire]

Any releases to share yet or still WiP?

[south verge]

Will be releasing a baked aces2 vanilla lut soon with multiple tonemaped nit levels

[native spire]

😎 awesome

[south verge]

Ohh I have a backlog of failed and silly luts.. Hard to release anything though if its not competetent enough for eyes lol

[vale token]

I am very much looking forward to your releases, as i also share your opinion about something being off with the contrast and shadows and even contrast in shadows. I am currently having Reno at 45 contrast as a (not ideal) compromise

[vale orchid]

ACES2 does math to compress the gamut to target (bt709). The math is based on the exact gamut defined for bt709.

That is somewhat arbitrary. Why are BT709 red, green, and blue the edges? Why are they special? Everything is biased to that.

The RenoDRT is based around OKLab which is perceptual, more than stubbornly mathematically to a predetermined set of points.

If what OkLab can fit in your output gamma (bt709), neat! But not really the point.

ACES2 is still built around film cameras (eg: ARRI) that captures wider color range than what you could fit on your display.

[south verge]

I really just want to play around with that OKish DRT but I can't use DCTLs with the free version of resolve. At this point I might as well just purchase the upgrade haha

[south verge]

Baked ACES2 for the vanilla HDR lut for those that may be interested. Note you must use untonemapped with reno as tonemapping is baked in. @vale token @native spire @olive ether

[olive ether]

Are you uploading to nexus too

[native spire]

Thanks!

[south verge]

You'll need to adjust the saturation and contrast if you want to get closer to the vanilla LUT with in-game tonemapping

[south verge]

Not likely. I'm not entirely sure how competent Davinci Resolve's integrated tonemapping is just yet.

[vale token]

qq: are both Dogtown and NC LUTs in the archive? Will test now.

[south verge]

Only NC for the time being

[formal lodge]

likely a totally niche question but

do you think id get better picture quality out of 5160x2160 dldsr compared to 3440x1440 even running ultra performance

iirc 5160 ultra perf is 1080p

[brazen arch]

Does anyone here have access to clothing mods that are not available on nexus? Private clothing mods and such? And willing to share 😇

[sweet needle]

Lemme play the devils advocate: maybe he just wanted to be tipped off so he could buy them?

[mystic shadow]

Hey no judgement

I just wanted to post a thinking face meme

[signal flicker]

Or he wanted private clothing mods of a sexual nature haha

[sweet needle]

coomers gotta coom

[signal flicker]

@compact meadow Do you have any for this game? 😏

[sweet needle]

#⚙️colorimeters-spectros-tpgs message

[compact meadow]

I'm sorry, I'm hostage on the Skyrim wagon

I get beaten when i look at other games

[signal flicker]

Not beaten, they call that "spanking"

Till you coom

[compact meadow]

Don't bully me ill coom

[signal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/h3-h3h3-h3halloween-h3podcast-love-h3-gif-23614620

Fuzzles's idea of facial

I feel dirty for saying that, sorry folks haha

[compact meadow]

Pearl necklaces for everyone!

[mystic shadow]

Hey that's racist

[brazen arch]

Shit didnt mean to come off like that lmao 😭 I just want to play dress-up i swear

[signal flicker]

If only Fuzzles wouldn't aim at his own face so goddamn always

[sturdy goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXW5RGz_ne4 so this is gonna require a paid application?

[sweet needle]

just use Hesuvi

but those hrtfs also spatialize discord audio etc.

really annoying to set up right and I gave up

[teal imp]

I believe so
But also, doesn't the game support Atmos already?

[sturdy goblet]

yeah seems like some gimmick? How can they do better than Atmos? Did they just boost up the bass 😄 ?

head tracking?

[sturdy goblet]

I love that they try to not say it... "a free trial is available" (???)

[sturdy goblet]

I don't like fake virtual surround

[sweet needle]

that embody thing is too

they literally say it's an HRTF

[sturdy goblet]

could be, then I won't use it

HRTF is real 😛

[sweet needle]

hesuvi is too

[sturdy goblet]

it's not generating fake surround from a stereo signal

hesuvi is an external app, it only has access to 2.0?

[bleak karma]

You can feed it full surround iirc

[sturdy goblet]

'This tool imitates the 7.1 to binaural sound effect of many surround virtualizations by making use of Equalizer APO's convolution filter. Available are impulse response that were recorded with activated'

[sweet needle]

hesuvi takes a surround output and spatializes it to stereo

[bleak karma]

But the only ones I liked in that app were essentially stereo like

I like dont like headphone surround sound

[sweet needle]

if you input a stereo sound into it it sounds like you're sitting in a room with 2 speakers in front of you

because it's lacking all the other channels

[sturdy goblet]

if the game already supports Atmos and Windows Sonic (thus Windows Spatial Audio) it already has HRTF / Binaural / Spatial audio rendering in 2.0, so there's no need to downscale 7.0 for stereo headphones with an extra app.

[bleak karma]

it never ever sounds anything like that

[sweet needle]

same

I only found native implemented binaural to be good

[sturdy goblet]

it's a gimmick

it just makes the sound more full, which is not what the developers wanted because if they wanted that they could have equalized to that sound already...

[sweet needle]

the only difference between this embody app and hesuvi is that it is "personalized"

and tuned for specific headphones, most of which are shit

[sturdy goblet]

that's what Atmos is for, it makes sounds feel like they come from any directions. Windows Sonic should do the same.

[sweet needle]

watch someone implement their model into hesuvi

[sweet needle]

ye

but hesuvi has the atmos and windows sonic models and more

all in all, it's not worth it, just use native implementations

at least it'll sound correct

[bleak karma]

I dont even use native implementations, I dunno if I have some funky ears

things never sound correct

It's always, always as if I am playing and close sounds are fine, far sounds are as if I am in a hall

[sweet needle]

yeah a lot of time they add reverb, it's stupid

gotta love that reverb in an open field lol

[mystic shadow]

I'm good with 2.1 headphone audio 🙂

[bleak karma]

wheres the .1

[mystic shadow]

sorry I meant 2.0 lol

I was thinking home theater 😆

[trim cypress]

Hey, what is the tone mapping luminance target with this bake?

Currently giving HDR LUT creation another chance and using ARRI LogC4 color science and a bit of science to match the range between the LogC3 game output and LogC4 input to the LUT.

[south verge]

Oof, it's been awhile. Not entirely sure but if I had to guess 1000nits for general compatibility.

[south verge]

grabs popcorn

Keep us updated for sure

[trim cypress]

Wait!!

before you go, can you test something out?

[south verge]

Absolutely

[trim cypress]

This is doing pre-tone mapping, can you try this LUT?

I'm not sure if the LUT should output Rec.709 linear or Rec.2100 linear, this one does Rec.2100

Or even if it's supposed to be linear?

[south verge]

From all I heard so far, the game expects 709/linear, atleast if you plan to use reno.

No idea if it makes a difference though

Severnance was outputing to straight sRGB/2.2 and it worked fine

K.. Firing up. Anything I should be looking at testing?

[trim cypress]

Not really?

[south verge]

So right out of the box, with my default calibrated settings (exp at 1, 410nits) it's defaulting to 610nits. Definitely a bit overexposed

Going back to min nits (300) almost makes it usuable with nits topping out around 430nits or so

I also have luum2 installed. Did you plan to use that with the lut?

Right now I'm staring at a sea of white around the sun around sunset.

Lowering to .5 on exposure helps a little

[trim cypress]

Are you using any tone mapping?

[south verge]

Yes. Default without reno at the moment.

You can definitely tell its using BT2020 primaries. I've found them very hard to balance with this game 😄

Color pallete is pleasing though. Certain colors just pop

[trim cypress]

This should be with reno, but with tone mapping disabled

Just like in the LUT you posted earlier

[south verge]

Gotcha. Must have missed the memo lol

Ok, tried without tonemapping... Goes straight to 10000nits. Basically a sea of white with exposure set to min and nits set to default.

Setting exposure to around .10 in reno almost makes it playable but still looks incorrect

Well I'll be around today. Hit me up if you need another set of eyes 🙂

23K nits lol

[vale token]

new LUT?

[south verge]

Eh kinda. Just the same film lut I've been going back and forth with for months. Kinda happy where its at, but trying to balance it to work well with nova city + luum2 at the same time is tough

[sweet needle]

Would it work with RenoDX?

[south verge]

Yep 🙂

[bleak karma]

give link

[native spire]

please share @south verge 🙏 more teal goodness

[south verge]

Hopefully soon. Though.. those screenshots only tell half the story. Still has many many issues for what will end up just being a flavor of the week lut 😆

[native spire]

You're such a tease @south verge this is amazing, love it!

[south verge]

- ACES1 with a Kodak 2383 base
- Created for use with Nova City as an ENV. 
- Luum2 is also an option but I haven't found a way to balance the overly blue sky yet. Dawn/sunsets/fog look amazing.
- 12pm and 12am still need work. Either overly exposed or dark, still finding a balance.
- Dogtown will likely need a bump to exposure as well.
- As a warning.. it's indeed very colorful. If you're looking for a realistic type LUT CyanideX's suite of LUTs may be more your style.
- I would highly recommend RenoDX. Very easy to modify the LUT to get the look you want. 
- Thanks to CyanideX, Shortfuse, and Nullfractal for helping me better understand the ins and outs of CP LUT dev. 
- And last but not definitely not least, many many thanks to Sammilucia for her amazing Ultra+ mod that is still under daily development and has over 5000 comments on nexus mods (mind blowing work).``` @native spire @bleak karma @vale token @sweet needle

[sweet needle]

Thanks man, I like that this lut is a lot more colorful than Nova. So this is right up my alley, as it's not so deepfried as vanilla.

[south verge]

Forgot that @obtuse birch sdr lut was still attached 😆

BTW no SDR support. Because.. HDR den

[south verge]

Hope you like it 🙂

[native spire]

Much love @south verge I can't wait to shake off this flu and test it out. Thanks for your work!

[sweet needle]

Sadly have no internet and the game isn't installed but I'll definitely try once I do have it installed again.

[civic thunder]

I'm gonna try this out, thanks! Do you mind posting your Reno settings? I'm curious 🤔

Idk what the best Reno settings are for using a non-vanilla LUT

[south verge]

I use the aces tonemapper along with a slight drop to contrast (43) and an exposure around 1-1.25. Looks a bit off with renoDRT due to the OKlab colorspace.

[civic thunder]

Got it, thanks

[vale token]

Will check it out, does it use the new HDR way as per null and cyanide latest LUTs?

[south verge]

They seem pretty tight lipped on the new technique 🤔

[vale token]

I see, I remember reading from null's channel that the HDR LUT has gamma (2.4) in it, not sure if that is any help though 🙂

[south verge]

Yeah I saw that as well. I just assumed null meant to use 2.4 gamma instead of outputting to linear, but still, doesn't sound right considering the game is expecting a linear output for in-game tonemapping.

[trim cypress]

It makes no sense

But it works. And Vanilla does it too

You can prove this by applying atop the vanilla HDR LUT a gamma 2.4 to linear transform and then ACES ODT from linear SRGB to display SRGB and see that the output looks very similar to the vanilla SDR LUT; meanwhile, if you don’t do the gamma transform, the LUT is far too low in contrast

[trim cypress]

The technique is really just gamma 2.4 and ACES2

Cyanide does something different, but at least that’s mine :p

[south verge]

Thanks for the clarification!

[south verge]

BTW... how on earth did you devise that vanilla LMT?

[trim cypress]

well, since the LUT is just a LogC3->HDR gamma 2.4 sRGB, all one needs to do is add a CSC from ACEScct input to sRGB LogC3, apply the vanilla HDR LUT, then apply the gamma 2.4 to linear transform, and then use an ACES inverse ODT and CSC to go from linear sRGB to ACEScct output

That way, you can input ACEScct and get ACEScct out, all while applying the vanilla HDR color grade

therefore, an LMT!

[south verge]

That's truly amazing. Been looking for a way to replicate the vanilla look for ages.

[south verge]

Tried to replicate this technique but now I'm lost lol. Will just stick with the lmt cube you provided for now 🙂

[vapid atlas]

Hey there people. Back to fiddling with CP a bit. So back to some questions... Haha.

I wanted to test Path Tracing a bit. Even tried the Ultra Plus mod. But the point is...

There is no way to get rid of the smearing and ghosting in path tracing, right? Like it's something inherent to it I guess.

[sweet needle]

That's probably the single hardest part of pathtracing, having as clear of an image as possible while shooting as few rays as possible. Can't have both so a balance needs to be struck. This is what Ultra plus is attempting.

[vapid atlas]

On the brief testing I made with Ultra Plus, I noticed you can mitigate it the higher quality level you set. So there's hope. Haha. We might just need better hardware though.

[vapid atlas]

By the way. What HDR methods are you using nowadays for Cyberpunk? I missed the whole RenoDX thing so if anybody mind hinting me a bit on the way it'd be great. Haha.

[olive ether]

#🖼️hdr-screenshots message

[vapid atlas]

Nice! So as far as I know Reno tries to keep the game as close to vanilla as possible but with improvements right?

[olive ether]

Reno’s default settings are supposed to look like the game’s HDR, but the game’s HDR is busted and doesn’t look much like its SDR, so I just went with making it look like SDR

[vapid atlas]

I have to read more about what exactly RenoDX does. Is long overdue. Haha.

[vapid atlas]

Yet another question about CP. Haha. Does Path Tracing load lower LODs, is maybe due to my GPU running out of VRAM or maybe an side effect of the lighting making things look less sharp or detailed?

[olive ether]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/16060
@whole girder have you seen this

[vapid atlas]

Also wonder how much internal resolution would affect Path Tracing. I'm running DLSS Balanced at 4K, but wonder how much the image would degrade if I turn it to Performance. Like... Not just about resolution and image stability but about the lighting quality of path tracing. How much does PT rely on internal resolution?

[whole girder]

uwu no

i have a cold 👉👈

[whole girder]

😮 sosine the machine

https://tenor.com/bgMXc.gif

how does he fix all these bugs? how does he find all these bugs? so impressed

[sweet needle]

by far the best LUT for the game

[bleak karma]

Team does anyone have the Benchmark pass DigitalFoundry use?

[mystic shadow]

does that just disable the fake lights, same as the toggle in ultra+?

[olive ether]

No idea, didn’t know ultra+ had that since I haven’t played in a while

[mystic shadow]

i also have not played in months

[vapid atlas]

Is anyone familiar with this kind of issue in which performance decays over the time? Like if you go to the menu, GPU usage goes back to full and stays at supposed performance levels for some seconds but then it starts decreasing...

[mystic shadow]

Yes, but in my case it was vram usage. And restarting the game dropped it

[vapid atlas]

VRAM not maxed out though. It starts happening after main missions and conversations. Like the scripted one. Maybe it's the game using too much CPU in there and then going back to normal. Open world works perfectly fine and good performance.

[mystic shadow]

hm i'm not sure.

[vapid atlas]

Can I be CPU bound and even if it just shows 15% usage?

Not using SK for the latency analysis though.

[mystic shadow]

are any of the cores hitting 99%?

being CPU-bound is tricky to see I think

[sweet needle]

just drop resolution

use dlss ultraperf

if fps doesn't increase you're cpu bound 99% of the time

or at least not gpu

[mystic shadow]

yea true

could be RAM-bound haha

[sweet needle]

get more cache

[mystic shadow]

i have a 5800x3d. It's got dat cache

[vapid atlas]

This game just behaves so stupidly. If I go to a vender or even hitting ESC and going to the menus, GPU and CPU usage drastically drops but the CPU temperature spikes out of... You tell me...

Also if I play on 4K DLSS Bal. sometimes GPU usage drops to around 80%. If I set it to 4K DLSS Perf. it always stays fully used. Makes no sense to me.

[sweet needle]

cpu bottlenecked

or memory

nvm

am dumb

[vapid atlas]

I just found out that it was caused by RTSS frame rate limiter. What the...?

If I unlock it or I use the in game one, it CPU gets 10ºC cooler.

[tender furnace]

so what you are saying is, using in-game FPS limiter and not outside limiter?

[vapid atlas]

Using the in-game limiter or no limiter at all gave 10ºC less CPU temperatures than using RTSS (external limiter). Don't know about other limiters like SK and such though.

Someone reported almost the same on reddit as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/zd4i2c/capping_fps_with_rtss_results_in_huge_cpu_load/

Had no idea frame limiter could impact so much the CPU usage. But this only happens to me in Cyberpunk that I've noticed. At last as drastically as to feel a 10ºC hit.

[tender furnace]

I will have to try this tonight

Thanks for sharing

[tender furnace]

Bruh... i was using Rivia or whatever it's called to limit the FPS and my pc had been crying for a while. I just thought cuz it was hot and humid lately. Turns out 77 don't like the limiter... took it off and the game could finally breathe 🙌 runs smoother now, great find!

[formal lodge]

if you're using frame gen, it doesnt work very well

[vapid atlas]

RiviaTuner you mean?

[formal lodge]

the FPS cap in riviaturner, yeah

although maybe that's changed, it was true in the past

[bleak karma]

The games built in cap is good enough no?

SK exists

[teal imp]

No It's not, It's incredibly laggy
But using third party limiters will produce the judder
So you need to use both at the same time, as weird as it sounds

[tender furnace]

Yes RiviaTuner

Without RiviaTuner, things are much better... PC isnt gasping for life anymore. Maybe I will just leave it without a limiter for now. I am not see much flicker or judder in game anyways. On top of that, I cant get a consistent 60 FPS anyways even in Balanced (lots of heavy mods). So no point in using a limiter if its making things worse.

[random geode]

The last surviving AMG GTS in Night City

[slate nexus]

New here..

PT20 with fast settings..
what’s the visual difference v
S medium/high quality settings ? Vs native?? Looking for good comparisons. I also run a bunch of upscale texture mods with Dlss balance to alleviate the lack of vram (4080s 16gb).

Also when using either pt20 or PTnext should I prioritize Dlss quality levels over the quality levels of the mod?

[gleaming tinsel]

I reinstalled the game to redo all mods & everything worked fine but Virtual car dealer doesn't show up on PC this time, i trying recopying the files into cyberpunk folder again & again & it never works

what am I missing? XD

[gleaming tinsel]

nvm finally worked, all by itself, magic

[gleaming tinsel]

Dlss is grayed out now for some reason tho 😂, idk what's going on lmao

[olive ether]

Do you have a version of the Vanilla HDR LUT that matches the look of SDR?

Or something that works alongside RenoDX to do that

[trail nova]

Is the in-game HDR any good now - i dropped cp77 and just picked it back up

Also AutoHDR works but not sure if thats any better

[native spire]

#1216700679612268564

RenoDX mod is essential, brings HDR up to a reference level

[trail nova]

Got it from nexus, looks pretty good. Which HDR settings should I use though? They affect the picture overall.

Also HDR PQ or HDR10 scRBG?

[olive ether]

scrgb is slightly higher quality

frame gen requires pq though

[random geode]

▫️Cyberpunk 2077

[wintry fjord]

frame gen not working with the reno mod for anyone else?

false alarm

[wintry fjord]

oopsie, just had a wonky driver install

[mossy flare]

In game setting what should i use with reno dx