▫️Cyberpunk 2077

[indigo summit]

with
[Editor/RTXDI]
EnableGradients = true

[indigo summit]

scale goes 4/4 RTDI/RTGI, 1/1, 2/1 (vanilla), 0,0

inversed here (0/0,2/1,1/1,4/4)

1/1 is the current Ultra+, 4/4 is an alternative

I've noticed sharper shadows, also some minor lighting differences

all 4 were unified to the same settings, minus 22/23/24/25 samples for detection reasons

1/1 vs 4/4

[indigo summit]

away from PC for a few days, so the files I'm using for this

4k Balanced DLSS mode, 4090

and some HDR screens which shows some differences in HDR highlights

[whole girder]

that's the xl files that do that

like I say, idk what he's done to the archives. I only do engines 😂

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-skills-taken-special-skills-on-phone-gif-12947054

[indigo summit]

My conclusion there is I think mode 4 is actually the ray traced temporal bias correction mode. To me in comparisons using those files it had the best preservation of specular highlights, and sharpest shadows of the lot, distant/small lights in the scene also resolved better than mode 1 or 2

Even if it’s not that, visually it consistently looked the best

And it performed better

[whole girder]

de-bias 4 looks interesting

[indigo summit]

Did any values for PT change between 2.11 and 2.12? Curious if the 2.11 var dump remains the same

[whole girder]

it is an actual de-bias mode

[whole girder]

no, nothing

de-bias 4 seems to work well for RTXDI as well

[indigo summit]

Good to hear, well that mode seems solid, I did enable Gradients from their bias guide on the website but idk if it’s in relation to the improvements or not

Or hooked up

[whole girder]

EnableGradients has always been slower for me with no visual change ... i'm not sure it's implemented 🤔

as in, i don't think it contributes to the final output

[indigo summit]

Might be worth checking with mode 4 if it’s doing anything now but your probably right

[whole girder]

same with EnableEmissiveTriangleLights

[indigo summit]

The guide by memory said it needs that RT bias mode to work right

On cinematic the only issue I still see is when leaving the camera still, ReLAX is still to my vision holding onto its history too long. Idk what’s the solution haven’t delved into it but people still smear walls as they walk, I did experiments turning sample counts to dumb levels and no real change for that, it’s better but the fundamental issue is just there

There’s definitely diminishing returns for sure, cinematic likely is hitting them

This too is interesting

Meaning the higher initial sample count likely falls off in contribution for most scenes past a point

That implies the impact is likely when lots of lights are affecting a given area

[whole girder]

hmm, gradients don't work correctly with NRD

and emissive triangle lights breaks spatial sampling 😭

[whole girder]

yes i agree ... actually my latest version i'm using

histories can be reduced, it doesn't make much difference

i spent a few hours trying to adjust these in fog, which is the hardest for PT to handle, i wasn't expecting to come up with a 16.0 deblur radius (or 96)

(could just as well be 100... but ... base what about base 2 lmao)

[whole girder]

it does

after a point samples become too highly correlated, and returns diminish

(i think cinematic is pointless, btw)

[indigo summit]

Yeah I couldn’t see enough difference once spatial samples hit honestly like 5-6, also found SHARC below 3 isn’t worth it

Disocclusion samples I don’t think is doing anything past a number

256 vs 32, no diff

Max history length, 4 seems a good value. That rtx remix sdk uses that too, good number to settle on imo

Idk if half resolution tracing or adaptive sampling are doing anything either that I can notice

I disabled fallback light/sampling for both DI and GI, I did see a difference there

Though I didn’t decide if it was positive or negative

Cinematic imo as a concept should just be an add on for LOD and such, and instead recommend people to bump up DLSS res

Does cinematic do anything else, do the ray/bounce settings do anything in 2.12 PT?

Seems the fallback light is meant for disocclusion, so prob should stay on

[whole girder]

yes i think

[whole girder]

there's a de-bias 5 too

[indigo summit]

Oh?

[indigo summit]

I also found if you turn on local light sampling then rtxdi seems to break

[whole girder]

yes it becomes kind of random

okay following this line of thinking, i just tried disabling the separate denoiser for RTXDI

and enabling approximate PDF (probability density function) ... aaand it seems to be working with debias 4

horrible screenshot, but i am getting close to 76 fps (normally 56)

[gilded summit]

https://tenor.com/view/que-gif-27530657

[whole girder]

in theory, one PT denoise pass now, so much faster

i've been trying to do this for a while but it didn't work with bias mode 1 or 2

[indigo summit]

Interesting, any chance you could photo compare a night scene

Like has it been double denoised this entire time?

From reading the SDK documentation separate denoising is meant to be a quality improvement I think

Wonder if mode 5 is spatial + temporal

[whole girder]

of course turning off the separate denoiser only works outdoors 🙄

[whole girder]

yes

I've added the double denoiser to the PT Turbo routine to disable outdoors 🤔

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/RTXDI/blob/main/doc/NoiseAndBias.md

well that's probably bias correction 0 1 and 2 explained

but at this point I don't even know if CDPR have a separate function for ReSTIR de-bias, or if they just updated the RTXDI function when they added ReSTIR

it can be helpful to turn off all the denoisers and play, so you can understand what the original image looks like

why do I also get the feeling if we set RTXDI to BiasCorrectionMode of 99 it will accept it 😂

the comments in these ini files look very familiar somehow 🤔 https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13909

[mystic shadow]

Gotchya. So what exactly is the fast travel glitch?

The green fast travel light over the thing is dim?

[whole girder]

I don't really know 😊

all I know is if I use BB's fix, the fast travels don't light up

so I don't use the fix 😜

[mystic shadow]

it looked lit up in your screenshot. That was without the fix?

it looked fine

[mystic shadow]

Just to confirm, they don't light up in game, or on the map?

[whole girder]

not normally tho

[mystic shadow]

No, i mean was the issue that they aren't lighting up above the thing, or not showing on the map? Hopefully that makes sense

[whole girder]

no the issue was people can't fast travel

just install the original 😂

[mystic shadow]

Ohhhhh

I thought it had something to do with the light lmfao

Yea fast travel works fine for me

I didn't use the fix

Just the relight.xl files from the basic file

[gilded summit]

there is another bug with those things though with GITS, they don't show location anymore on the display wich is sad

[mystic shadow]

Like the purple icon above the station?

[gilded summit]

no if you look at the screen on that thing, it should show the district you are in

but its just blanc, they are all like that

[mystic shadow]

Oh

Yea it's been forever since i played before this so i didn't even remember

Which is his fix file supposed to be fixing? Not being able to fast travel? Or the location bug

[gilded summit]

not being able to fast travel

[gilded summit]

ris on/off

[mystic shadow]

RIS you're supposed to disable with relight right?

[vale orchid]

@whole girder https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13912

[whole girder]

niiice

i'll link it

want me to keep the link to the discord?

[vale orchid]

i have one in my mod page. but thanks 👍

if you want to link unrelated to RenoDX that's fine too, of course

[whole girder]

np

[mystic shadow]

Any chance you can summarize what's different? I'm away from home

[gilded summit]

no sorry

[whole girder]

OMG this game is so crashy

[mystic shadow]

okay i'm home and was able to view these now. Off is darker

[whole girder]

@indigo summit as i thought

[mystic shadow]

This display?

[mystic shadow]

if so it seems to work with relight

[indigo summit]

At the least there does seem to be a difference on higher levels, question will be when the value stops doing anything different

It’s likely an else statement for the switch for that var

[whole girder]

I don't see any difference with 5 on RTXDI

I really just wanna decompile it and look 😂

[whole girder]

yup

[indigo summit]

I wonder if there’s a diff between 3 and 4

Then again if remix is using 4 imo prob safe to just leave and forget

[gilded summit]

idk what is causing my game to have this messed up, always thought it was gits

but thats what i meant indeed

[mystic shadow]

It could be gits combined with something

If i can help test anything to help you figure it out let me know

[gilded summit]

tnx it might be the fast travel fix, ill try that, other wise idk what might be causing it, though i do run with an edited GITS file so idk, ill see in a bit

[mystic shadow]

Lemme know if you figure it out

I dont' have issues fast traveling so I didn't download the fix

I don't know what causes issues fast traveling. Maybe the hotfix?

[gilded summit]

got it figured out, likely messed something up with merging the mods

[mystic shadow]

Glad you figured it out

[whole girder]

cinematic (left) vs performance (right)

but also cinematic (left) vs balanced (right)

[gilded summit]

in those first 2 shots cinematic does look a lot better, except for the reflections of the room on the ceiling, somehow performance gives a more accurate picture there

[sweet needle]

Sammi, am trying out your ultra+ mod, currently RT+PT, and I was wondering what config is the least noisy.

[indigo summit]

Went through the source for the Denoiser SDK to find the ReLAX defaults they use

and confirmed they're working nicely in game

• a boost to the number of iterations on ReLAX

its not smear free, but imo from what I can see much improved

[indigo summit]

override ini with custom settings

custom Ultra Control files

lowered the boiling filters too to 20.0 as per the RTXDI default

[indigo summit]

Big changes relax wise are the frame vars, phi luminance, stopping power and disabling anti firefly. My understanding of the frame vars is you don’t want to shorten it too much or you aren’t making enough frames invalidatable

But basically it’s just defaults for relax from the sdk

[whole girder]

oh nice one, ty I'll have a look!

[whole girder]

I would try Balanced and see how you go. you want reasonable fps AND DLSS quality of possible to help reduce noise. lmk how you go

playing with a new version... that gives you more ... well, control lol. I'm worried it might confuse people tho 😂

[gilded summit]

that batch file is amazing, never knew my fps tanked because of game dvr. I tried editing it so it doesn't disable screenshot functionality, but my efforts where futile. Anyone know what i am doing wrong? I was able to make a similar file enabling it again, which was kinda lacking.

[whole girder]

can you use Steam or something else for screenshots? gamebar is awful

I use FreeShooter for screenshots

[gilded summit]

gamebar is kinda necessery for HDR screencapping

steam only does avif

[whole girder]

I'm absolutely sure you know this but a won't override ~

[whole girder]

@craggy vessel do you know how to use game bar only for screenshots?

[whole girder]

i don't have HDR or game bar sorry

[whole girder]

yeah it's kinda weird huh

[mystic shadow]

like what the hotkey is?

it's like alt+winkey+prntscrn or something

[whole girder]

these should be under Editor/RTXDI as well

[craggy vessel]

Reverting reg changes

But making sure that DVR is disabled in the bar, if not performance wil drop

[sweet needle]

thanks, what do you recommend by the way? RR or NRD?

[craggy vessel]

Nvidia Shadow Play is much better

[whole girder]

I play with RR because it has more stable fps but I prefer the look of NRD

[sweet needle]

yeah I noticed RR performed better too but didn't look as good

[whole girder]

yeah... NRD does improve after a minute or two, but it's not as stable overall with a mid-level card

[whole girder]

i'm tending to agree mostly with CDPR's settings actually ... if you turn off the denoisers or switch to NRD you'll see what i mean

[random geode]

what's the correct SDR gamma?

this screen

[indigo summit]

Yeah at the end I copied all changes into that file, I did have a few duplicated in there already from your file I was editing

Good to know tho

[random geode]

I guess it's 1

[indigo summit]

1 or 2.2

Always either in SDR

Rarely 2

[indigo summit]

Curious, is it mainly from an IQ perspective or a ghosting/disocclusion perspective, or both?

ATM I’m really on a goal to reduce smearing, I don’t mind instability around where it occurs but the smear is what kind of distracts me

Though I am starting to accept this may not be possible. Do wonder tho if raising stopping power might do it, to my understanding that is for history stop

[indigo summit]

def do this, more control is better, if its confusing people just wont change the values, which is fine, your ini files set appropriate levels anyway

[whole girder]

i'm not sure what you mean by IQ? ... but ghosting / disocclusion, and in NRD there are some very bright dots all over (from PhiLuminance) ... i'm not seeing any smearing

here's where i'm currently at

and control is "kind of" working ... i migth have a workaround to some settings crashing the engine (by hooking and loading them earlier)

[gilded summit]

disable hdr windows + alt + b, and you can put it on 1

piecewise is a pita

[random geode]

It was on 1 I was just testing stuff

[gilded summit]

*windows + alt + b 🙂

[random geode]

yea that's a useful shortcut

😄

[vale orchid]

That's just brightness. Not really "gamma correction". It's just pow(color, x). The game outputs in sRGB in SDR and if you wanted to "correct" that a pow function isn't going to fix that.

[indigo summit]

thats where I found the defaults if it helps

has REBLUR ones as well

[indigo summit]

smearing is basically, distant NPC, stare directly at them + the wall that's behind them, and watch the NPC move left/right. leaves a trail smear that takes time to clear

[indigo summit]

NRD vs RR (with RR set to SDK defaults)

[whole girder]

mm, I'm just finding it's less with lower fast frames 🤔

[indigo summit]

DepthThreshold = 0.0015 ; (0.01)
SpatialVarianceEstimationHistoryThreshold = 2 ; (3)
HistoryFixStrideBetweenSamples = 8.0 ; (28.0)
DisocclusionThreshold = 0.0025 ; (0.005) 0.5% of the screen?
historyClampingColorBoxSigmaScale = 2.0
looking at these settings, older SDK has fix stride explanation

        // (pixels) - base stride between samples in history reconstruction pass
        float historyFixStrideBetweenSamples = 14.0f;```

        float historyClampingColorBoxSigmaScale = 2.0f;```

        // (>= 0) - history length threshold below which spatial variance estimation will be executed
        uint32_t spatialVarianceEstimationHistoryThreshold = 3;```

so 2 frames of variance = spatial test (test change of pixels essentially)

DisocclusionThreshold can go lowest to 0.0025

        // (normalized %) - Depth threshold for spatial passes
        float depthThreshold = 0.003f;

lower this is the further into the distance a spatial test will occur

which can help with those tiny NPCs

lowering the SigmaScale too much will cause image instability on movement

but should raise the use of Fast history

vs the 30 frame lag

AtrousIterationNum to my understanding is a quality thing, but not entirely sure

going for 8 (max)

[indigo summit]

this setting left in v4.4.0 (Dec 27, 2023) but idk what version the engine uses atm

dense spatial filtering (A-trous decomposition)
so more iterations means more spatial filtering

        // [0; RELAX_MAX_HISTORY_FRAME_NUM] - number of reconstructed frames after history reset (less than "maxFastAccumulatedFrameNum")
        uint32_t historyFixFrameNum = 3;```

reconstructed frames hmmm this seems like a recipe for trails

[whole girder]

goodness knows. i feel like NVidia helped CDPR with ReLAX initially, but then CDPR was left on their own

[indigo summit]

yeah its def confusing all this

I think your right that its the frames, its just what does reconstruction mean in this context

[whole girder]

also the super bright pixels with PhiLuminance set higher were at night

[indigo summit]

whether it means the history fix is == the number of frames resampled/cleared, or does it mean Neural Networked reconstructed frames

[indigo summit]

hmm do u have HDR

[whole girder]

i take reconstruction to mean reuse of temporal rays from previous frames

[whole girder]

no 😭

[whole girder]

it's difficult bc i think "ray reconstruction" is more a marketing term than technical

do they mean spatiotemporal reuse??

[indigo summit]

I wonder

                        ImGui::SliderInt("Frames", (int32_t*)&m_RelaxSettings.historyFixFrameNum, 0, 3);

the sample for NRD has a max of 3 for it

but also allows 0

    // NRD common settings
    if (m_Settings.adaptiveAccumulation)
    {
        bool isFastHistoryEnabled = m_Settings.maxAccumulatedFrameNum > m_Settings.maxFastAccumulatedFrameNum;

        float fps = 1000.0f / m_Timer.GetSmoothedFrameTime();
        float maxAccumulatedFrameNum = Clamp(ACCUMULATION_TIME * fps, 5.0f, float(MAX_HISTORY_FRAME_NUM));
        float maxFastAccumulatedFrameNum = isFastHistoryEnabled ? (maxAccumulatedFrameNum / 5.0f) : float(MAX_HISTORY_FRAME_NUM);

        m_Settings.maxAccumulatedFrameNum = int32_t(maxAccumulatedFrameNum + 0.5f);
        m_Settings.maxFastAccumulatedFrameNum = int32_t(maxFastAccumulatedFrameNum + 0.5f);
    }```

adaptiveAccumulation

AdaptiveSampling?

dont think so

so on a setting of 48 default it was 10 fast frames? and on 30 its 5 if they're using adaptive

[whole girder]

i'll take a look after i've done this budget 😂

[indigo summit]

unlocked the hidden Cursed mode for 2077

I might build the NRD sample

good for tuning

[whole girder]

hahahaa

[whole girder]

release it as a mod

it's April 1

[indigo summit]

its glorious

so iterations reduce the boiling type noise you get on walls with ReLAX

fast frames arent doing shit

theres a min clamp or adaptive mode on in 2077 cause this isnt doing what it should at 0 (break everything)

5 vs 8

Probabilistic is a perf opt, not a quality option

the third ray dramatically reduces boiling/noise instability

third bounce doesnt do much

half resolution also notably boosts boiling/noise ofc

probabilistic makes more sense in this case, similar performance to half but double the quality

100 at Half, 90 at Prob, 58 at Full

anti firefly only makes sense at half tracing

and most importantly, the lag from an object moving seems to be the trace, not the denoiser

resolution modes

ray counts

[whole girder]

yes, 100%

[indigo summit]

NRD vs CDPR luminance values

CDPR's look like artifacts in the renderer

[whole girder]

did you build it? or there's an exe download

[indigo summit]

exe download from github

[whole girder]

nice I'll try

[indigo summit]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/NRDSample/actions/runs/8354881452

login to github

then click

sadly to me it shows ghosting isnt very fixable

its ReSTIR by the looks of it, not ReLAX

or ReBLUR

but yeah I'd move Cinematic/Quality to Full (Probabilistic) not Half

[whole girder]

I'm not super impressed by ReSTIRGI

ReLAX can come very close

by ghosting you mean disocclusion noise? or bias noise?

[indigo summit]

disocclusion noise in motion. can see it in my vids above the Cup

this is the NPC smear people talk about

[indigo summit]

in the Sample, fairly sure RTXDI and GI are being used, so you can test ReBLUR vs ReLAX in isolation

both use ReSTIRGI

yeah anti firefly for full should def be turned off

nukes detail

the phi luminance values may be semi responsible for the wax look

reLAX looks plain superior in most shots, sharper detail, less aliasing

[indigo summit]

tonight I'll code up a full Debug section where all the obscure commands can lie

for Ultra Control, and send it ur way

        // Clamp specular virtual history to the current frame neighborhood
        bool enableSpecularVirtualHistoryClamping = true;```

[whole girder]

to me the original wax look looks like jitter information has been removed and not passed through to DLSS

[whole girder]

no problem. I have a heavy workload the next few days but I'll send you the latest alpha in case it's useful. it injects some game options earlier (onTweak) for stability

it's partially working, i've mostly added the new functionality so it can work without ini files (modifying streaming and other quality levels, loading/saving tracing type, additional settings from the inis to commonfixes.lua, several fixes 🤔)

[indigo summit]

will take a look

I think, I think I got ReGIR working

like proper working DI and GI

EnableEmissiveTriangleLights must be off
EnableSeparateDenoising must be off
EnableRTXDIDenoising must be on
EnableAnalyticalLights must be on
UseFusedApproach must be off

[gilded summit]

I can concur, when RR and NRD are disabled you can see clear ghosting. Also the games build in AA (TAA) has some, but disabling this makes the game be even more pixelated. And i do think that one of the denoisers doesn't (probe? idk the proper terminoligy) the specular textures right, i think RR is the worst offender (instead of NRD)

[indigo summit]

NoReGIR vs ReGIR

these are all GI + DI

with working DI

overall, ReGIR covers larger distances for lights, seems to treat specular/normals a bit differently (likely cause there's more data), and can be faster and slower, depends

I found its generally a notch faster, and can scale quite easily by editing ReGIR settings

Adding UseFusedApproach tanks the perf a bit but is prob the most accurate, stable mode all round when combined with ReGIR

[bleak karma]

Is the Ultra+ Quality ini the same as what Sammi has posted or different?

I'll give it a look when home

[south verge]

Thanks for your testing! I've been partial to PT20 for awhile now but these new settings seem to completely clean up the picture when it comes to ghosting. Testing with PT21 v3.53 at the moment.

[south verge]

Does this work with PT20 as well?

[mystic shadow]

I have no idea what's going on here

but sounds good

[gilded summit]

most of the time i read some of the stuff they are typing and i am debating if i should call a priest to have him perform an excorsism

[mystic shadow]

Please exercise me

[gilded summit]

Run for 30 minutes a day, the power of Christ compels you!

[mystic shadow]

You have motivated me to go to the gym today, thank you.

[mystic shadow]

What is the TLDR; above?

Sammi is working on a new and improved version 4.0?

based on testing from FireKahuna?

[indigo summit]

Ah sorry there is no PT 2.0 on those files I just recycled the two options to be a off/on

In these files 2.0 is 2.1 and 2.1 is ReGIR

It’s based on the cinematic/quality options, tonight I’ll try and redo everything to be more compatible with how it’s setup in 4.0 alpha, consider those files as a drop and lock sort of situation

It’s 2.1 Quality PT equivalent + ReGIR out of the box

Tonight I’ll remake it first for 3.5.3 so 2.1 + ReGIR is a separate option, and have the override be fully compatible with whatever ultra+ ini file you choose

My theory on the ghosting is it’s the default NRD denosier settings in the override + ReGIR being a world space algorithm. Means it has likely less gaps in data when people move through the space

• the ReGIR paper explicitly states it converges closer to a PT image than ReSTIR does normally. So that means faster fix up of disocclusion areas (areas where people move through the image/ newly revealed spots) inherently for any algorithm that does that

http://cwyman.org/papers/rtg2-manyLightReGIR.pdf

It does imply full ReGIR as above may have some minor quality reductions in direct hits, but I think the trade off is worth the data being world space

[indigo summit]

Did some reading on this paper and it seems the Fused approach (spatiotemporal) adds disocclusion, since it only uses last frame samples.

https://www.scribd.com/document/635982029/Untitled

And ReSTIR GI has been using it this whole time

[whole girder]

@indigo summit what's your latest config?

(catching up)

[whole girder]

https://tenor.com/biEpt.gif

[whole girder]

oh 😊

diffing 🙃

[indigo summit]

It’s a bit messy, was deep in checkbox hell/heaven

Need to consolidate and split off the changes

[whole girder]

haha all good

[whole girder]

i'm used to diffing/rebasing linux kernel changes, so this is easy 😂

what are your thoughts on reblur?

i've tried using it, it's supposed to be faster, but i haven't found that to be true in practice (to be honest, i'm not even sure it's working)

[whole girder]

even though these are "for reblur", i think they also affect shadowed vs. light areas in relax

[Editor/Denoising/ReBLUR]
MaxHitDistance = 3.0                        ; (3.0)
HitDistanceViewZScale = 0.1                    ; (0.1)
HitDistanceRoughnessScale = 20.0                ; (20.0) <-----
HitDistanceRoughnessExpScale = -25.0                ; (-25.0) <-----

forget that, this is extremely complicated 😂

[indigo summit]

Yeah they are used for both I think. Those params are NRD defaults at least

[indigo summit]

I think it isn’t as resolving as ReLAX. Doesn’t have as much details in the sample tool, had visible aliasing, more fireflies meaning it needs the filter which adds bias

[whole girder]

yup okay. that was my impression in 2.0

[whole girder]

i'm just going to nuke the settings for reblur to simplify things then, except for these (which may apply to relax)

[indigo summit]

Yeah the sample to me showed how little most of these settings mattered for the things we think they do

And honestly I tested CDs settings and they didn’t look good in the sample

Ghosting will be solved or reduced elsewhere

[whole girder]

yes there's only a few that make quite big changes

and there's a few that behave very differently indoors vs outdoors

idk why but CP has different lighting indoors and needs SpatialNumSamples and RTXDIDenoiser indoors (but not outdoors i don't think)

(well, not anywhere i've found)

[whole girder]

no... i think they've modified some things away from the sample

[indigo summit]

DIDenoiser was mandatory across all tests I did

Things just kept breaking with it off

ReGIR for example

Seperate denoising however was the opposite

Broke ReGIR and some other configs

I need to test Fused for GI disabled

[whole girder]

i might have got them backwards

[indigo summit]

Bunch of conclusions:

• Gradients helped performance notably in the ReGIR config I was using
• separate denoising broke ReGIR but helps the normal settings overall
• Fused approach for DI worked quality wise but wrecked performance to a degree and didn’t seem to limit/restrain ReGiR DI

Likely the same for GI

• SHARC looks better in some shots with DI at Primary enabled, it does have a very specific but positive impact

• Emissive Triangle Lights just seems to break shit, I want to have it have an impact but it doesn’t seem hooked up properly. Works in theory but no positive impact.
• no amount of PDF settings made local light sampling do what it seems it should do. I think it’s broke, need more testing but seems so

• approximate PDF was a wildcard on perf but no visual impact. I assume its for very specific configs it will do something

[mystic shadow]

Apologies if I asked this already but is Ultra+ considered an ENV mod?

[gilded summit]

its not

[mystic shadow]

What about those Relight.xl files?

[gilded summit]

but better be safe than sorry, a massive amount of things gets decided in ENV files, weather lighting, fog, sun/moon pff to much to mention

[gilded summit]

not env

[mystic shadow]

This is what I settled on. Mod on top is highest priority. Mod on bottom is lowest priority. The "Gits env basic" file is ONLY the relight.xl files, not the full archive

[gilded summit]

sammi's fog does make edits to the weather, but its compatible with a lot of other mods that change the env file

[mystic shadow]

The only conflicts I saw from her ultra fog mod was with Preem optics. I gave preem optics priority

[gilded summit]

i was about to type that

do it the other way around, sammi's mod needs priority, but i doubt they really will have an actual issue

[mystic shadow]

oh ok

[gilded summit]

they just edit the same base file (env) but should be compatible

[mystic shadow]

Why should Sammi's have priority? I'm not sure how it works

does that mean there will be weather where preem optics doens't work?

[gilded summit]

o wait

the mod changed

[mystic shadow]

i'll find the exact conflict one sec

[gilded summit]

i forgot about that

[mystic shadow]

which mod changed

[gilded summit]

lemme check

[mystic shadow]

kk

[gilded summit]

fog mod used to be chaning 1 single weather state only, now its more involved

/less compatible

[mystic shadow]

so it's winning against nova rain, but losing to weather probability rebalance and preem optics

[gilded summit]

give preem mod priority

that is exactly the reason why i learned to use wolvenkit

so i can mix and match stuff i like

[mystic shadow]

haha

why does preem optics need to win? Just curious how it works exactly

[gilded summit]

im fairly sure it does the least edits

its likely best to read what it does and try to understand it

[mystic shadow]

Preem optics is winning already here

[gilded summit]

but its a lot to take in at once

[mystic shadow]

it's winning against ultra fog

but losing to weather rebalance

does it need to beat both?

[gilded summit]

figuring this out will likely take me a longer time than merging the mods to get the desired effect lol

but that takes a couple of hours to learn how to use wolvenkit

[mystic shadow]

yea i'd have to learn that one

[gilded summit]

@mystic shadow if stuff is working like it should it should be no issue

[mystic shadow]

is preem optics even needed? I feel like no one uses it anymore?

am i the only one using an eye adaptation mod lol

[gilded summit]

most people edit that stuff in already

and i think even cdpr changed it

[mystic shadow]

oh, i wonder if it's even still needed

[gilded summit]

idk man its to long ago since i last used a vanilla env file

[mystic shadow]

i'll have to ask around

would you have nova rain or ultra fog win?

probably ultra fog right?

[gilded summit]

no likely rain

idk i havent read the discription

[mystic shadow]

ok no worries

thank you!

[gilded summit]

but rain supposudly only edits rain, where UF does bloom, fog and others

there are like 10 weather states

[mystic shadow]

looks like it's the toxic rain that conflicts

[gilded summit]

man idk man

[mystic shadow]

here

i'll have nova rain win

makes sense

[gilded summit]

ah they are both cyanides mods

i wouldnt worry about it

it likely says conflict because they both edit the same file, with the same edit

should be fine

[mystic shadow]

Which 2 are you referring to? I was talking about Nova Rain and Ultra Fog

[gilded summit]

o lol

that was for preem scopes and preem rain

[mystic shadow]

ohhh

yea those should be fine

[gilded summit]

i think weather probability is kinda no go

if you run AMM

or some other CET mod that allows you to change weather

i havent looked at the file, but it will likely overwrite a lot

not sure though

[mystic shadow]

checking now

It's only this one file that conflicts with preem optics and ultra fog

[gilded summit]

that is basically that one single file that changes EVERYTHING 😄

[mystic shadow]

lmfao

so basically this mod won't work?

the weather probability rebalance mod?

not sure I care honestly

[gilded summit]

wpr says its incompatible with most mods that change weather/lighting etc

[mystic shadow]

yea but idk what that means

like visual glitches? Just doesn't work?

[gilded summit]

gotta pick and chose most likely

[mystic shadow]

yea

this is weird because preem optics still seems to work...

[gilded summit]

no it will just nullify all the things the other mod(s) do

[mystic shadow]

I may just disable it

the weather mod

[gilded summit]

it changes somethings besides the scopes

that part will likely be overwritten

[mystic shadow]

preem optics has nothign to do with scopds

scopes

it's the eye adaptation mod

[gilded summit]

it changes the vignette, which is done in the env file(s)

[mystic shadow]

I'm using the version with vignette

[gilded summit]

you can let go of the Eye adaptation mod most likely

what version number?

[gilded summit]

omg i was looking at preem scopes

all those damn preem mods

[mystic shadow]

🙂

I don't think I even need this mod

[gilded summit]

ill see if i can cook something up

[mystic shadow]

❤️

that would be amazing

[random geode]

you have to merge ENV mods right?

except if two mods want to change the same setting then there is not much you can do about that

[mystic shadow]

I think you have to use wolvenkit to break it apart

i'm not 100% sure

i think you can mix and match the exact files

or something?

or liens?

lines*

I should learn how to do it...

[gilded summit]

i have to guestimate what they edited and copy paste into an existing env

make a single mod out of it

im already using ultra fog and preem optics seems nice, so if i do it for myself too

but i am also not highly experienced so errors might loom

[mystic shadow]

So right now, I have weather probability rebalance overwriting preem optics

and everything seems fine

so maybe cdpr fixed the eye adaptation

idk

might not really be a big deal

who cares lol

ah but then it's also overwriting ultra fog...

which is a big deal

so ultra fog probably isn't working

It might make the most sense to disable weather probability rebalance

[random geode]

It's not that hard to merge ENVs with wolvenkit

[mystic shadow]

ah wait shit

that's not good enough

that means preem optics is still going to overwrite ultra fog

so i wont get sammi's fog

so we should merge these

somehow

[random geode]

do you really need preem optics?

[mystic shadow]

i'm not sure

if no one else feels it's needed then i guess not

I seem to be the only one using it ha

[random geode]

ultra+ fixes the exposure adaptation I think or alters it

but I'm not sure

[mystic shadow]

oh does it?

@whole girder , for later, does Ultra+ fix up eye adaptation?

A lot of the LUTs do (like nova LUT)

[random geode]

I don't use preem optics and eye adaptation is fast in my game

I don't use ultra+ either though nor LUT mods

[mystic shadow]

then perhaps they fixed it FINALLY

in the old versions it used to be AWFUL

[random geode]

I have my own ENV edit maybe I fixed in that I just don't remember

[mystic shadow]

i think the biggest issue with the old versions was that the adaptation was fucked up inside cars

that was the main problem

you couldn't see shit in first person

when driving

[random geode]

hmm maybe, but I think I just use something that fixes it lol

[mystic shadow]

can you check?

lol

[random geode]

yea

Oh yea my ENV definitely edited it

but the vanilla adaptation is a lot faster too

it's not that bad tbh

it takes like half second to "adapt"

yea I think you can disable Preem Optics

[gilded summit]

alright i was going along just fine

and then i messed up

back to square one

lol

sami has shorter exposure than cyanides mod

but cyanide also has some work done on a weather trigger idk

@mystic shadow add me on discord, or i cant say hello or send files 🙂

[mystic shadow]

adding!

[mystic shadow]

then preem optics likely isn't needed!

🙂

in that case i think we need to merge Ultra Fog + Weather Probability Rebalance.

Or i'll just shut off weather probability rebalance

cause i rather have sammi's fog

[gilded summit]

i think i failed, also im not sure about ultra fog and preem optics

you can try it because im also running other mods that influence it, but im only seeing sunny and fog weather states, nothing else

[whole girder]

nope! 😊

[mystic shadow]

Sammi's sayin it doesn't touch exposure

^

[gilded summit]

i didnt read through the whole tree to be honest, i just copied optics settings into ultrafog, and weather probability+ transitions

also noticed that weather probability rebalanced only touches on the vanilla game, not phantom liberty

but idk if that is needed or controlled by that env

still havent found any information on how how to edit these files

[mystic shadow]

preem optics raises brightness

all around

for some reason

just realized

avgcll was 10 without preem optics. and it was 18 with it

same spot

same scene

same conditions

Who knows

[mystic shadow]

What's a good area to test sammi's fog mod

[south verge]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-mac-smh-gif-27571314

[mystic shadow]

Look at this

preem optics makes things a ton brighter

[gilded summit]

thats bloom

[mystic shadow]

it's bloom from the different exposure/adaptation value?

[gilded summit]

no bloom is a separate metric, which can be adjusted with reno

ultra fog has like 50% of vanilla bloom

[mystic shadow]

I used the same bloom value in Reno. I was only turning preem optics on and off

Ultra fog was always on

[gilded summit]

the base value is lower, reno is a slider based on that

50% in reno = default

env files change a lot of things

one of them is bloom

shortfuse hooks into the bloom shader, so you can tweak it to your liking

[mystic shadow]

ok so preem optics had different bloom values

[gilded summit]

yes

[mystic shadow]

ok

[gilded summit]

seems like default vanilla bloom

[mystic shadow]

yea

and now ultra fog is actually working

so it's 50%

becuse before it was getting overridden

[gilded summit]

sammi's mod just changes the bloom curve

[mystic shadow]

what else does it do

[gilded summit]

fog, countless particles like smoke, maybe others read the page 😄

[mystic shadow]

Yea I did. I just like technical details

sammi's mod is great

[signal flicker]

Too many mods, cannot compute. ERROR

[sweet needle]

You don't run out of vram? Or did you swap away from the 3080?

[whole girder]

yeah default bloom is crazy nonsense

and they do like 8 blur passes so it brightens the whole screen

[mystic shadow]

4080 super ha

[mystic shadow]

Yea I knew your fog reduced bloom but I didn't realize how over-bloomed the normal game was until using your mod

[sweet needle]

ah yes, no vram issues for you xD

[mystic shadow]

haha not yet

[mystic shadow]

what are the SL dlss dlls?

[sweet needle]

streamline

Kaldaiens favourite library

[mystic shadow]

ah haha

gotchya

[signal flicker]

Nvidia's kind of DirectSR

[teal imp]

Streamline was first, so if anything DirectSR is MS kind of Streamline

[signal flicker]

Yeah, true, but as DirectSR is more fresh in memory...

hence I gave it as the example

To compare to

[vale token]

@mystic shadow if you don't mind, what's the story with relight.xl and how can I get it/apply it?

[mystic shadow]

I don't mind at all!

One sec i will grab a screenshot of exactly what to download

[vale token]

i know it's part of GITS

[mystic shadow]

So download the 01 Fuji ENV Basic file from the Gits 3.x page. Only keep the circled relight files. I circled the ini file but I don't think you need it. All it does is disable RIS, which you can also do with Ultra+. I just downloaded it anyway. Ultra+ says to disable RIS if you use Relight

I do not think it has any load order issues

I just loaded it directly before Ultra+

[vale token]

these *.xl files go to mod folder like .archive?

I'm not using Ultra btw

[mystic shadow]

uh one sec lemme check

[mystic shadow]

Then definitely use that ini file i circled

[mystic shadow]

Oh it's in the screenshot

it shows the folder path

I am assuming it installs correctly

As I understand it, (could be wrong), the Relight files fix up lighting in some spots that don't work well with path tracing

[vale token]

yes, that is why i am interested in them

[mystic shadow]

I never did a comparison between on and off

[vale token]

will check it now, thanks

[mystic shadow]

np

[vale token]

ah, they're game vers 2.11 only....

probably need an update

[mystic shadow]

Do they definitely not work anymore?

i think that comment was from before 2.12 released

if you are talking about it saying "for version 2.11 only"

[whole girder]

they work fine 😊

[formal lodge]

How is the 3.7 DLS for people?

[south verge]

No complaints. The new preset seems to improve image clarity but I'd say preset C still looks the best

[vale token]

What is the default preset when in Auto/driver, is it C?

[sweet needle]

I think D

[teal imp]

It was D until 3.7

[vale token]

Thanks, and with 3.7?

[teal imp]

E

Though if the game is coded to default to D it will still use D even with 3.7

[vale token]

I see, are there visible/tangible benefits with E?

[formal lodge]

i'll give C a whirl. i care more about picture quality then anything, thoujgh

[mystic shadow]

I think E is supposed to be the best now

[mystic shadow]

Why C? Just curious.

[teal imp]

I believe less ghosting compared to D

[mystic shadow]

What's going on with the reflections in the windows? It's right outside fingers clinic.

looks like the floors are upside down in the building ha

[indigo summit]

Screen space reflections maybe

[gilded summit]

thats not a reflection issue, its a vanilla screw up. Some of these textures are placed upside down. Normally there would be blurred glass hiding these fake 3d interiors but with some mods installed the blur go's away and these bugs become very obvious. https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/7160 this mod or some texture packs remove the blur/ upscale the textures

[mystic shadow]

Yep I'm using that mod and blur begone

thanks!

I thought maybe it was an easter egg

[mystic shadow]

So is DLSS preset E the best now for cyberpunk or is C/D still preferred?

[teal imp]

For CP2077 I would say go with E

[mystic shadow]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4789 - fyi this mod is still needed for certain food mods, despite CDPR patching the game for it. it's still needed in certain circumstances

i couldn't get one of the pizza replacers to work without it ha

[vale token]

Btw, i checked the relight.xl thingies and … they were not working. They would work most likely with the env that comes with them but not without as i wanted

[mystic shadow]

oh really?

even from the basic env file?

and you have RIS disabled either by the ini file or in ultra+?

[vale token]

Yes, had RIS disabled by ini, no ultra

[mystic shadow]

Got it. Yea i don't know. Sammi said it still works, but I never tested on vs off. I figured it only changed some areas and not all but that was a guess

I wasn't sure how to test it properly

[mystic shadow]

Just to confirm, the relight files will work fine even without the env?

I think xerme also had said he couldn't see a difference with the mod. I'm not sure what a good location is to check

[vale token]

I actually took inspiration from BB’s screenshots on mod description page to check if this is working

[whole girder]

yes. but I only use the first release of relight (not any of the fix ones)... and there are very few places where relight makes a difference. very specific places

97%+ of the map it makes no difference at all

not to undermine BBs work. where it does make a difference it's a big improvement

[vale token]

Things is he gives a few examples with his screenshots and checking those places out i can say it is not working for me. First release as well.

[whole girder]

well that's interesting

i've only found one place where it makes a big difference, and that's the Arasaka sheds (i think? ... idk how to describe it)

[vale token]

I see, but can you perhaps check his pics places and validate that it’s working?

One very easy is at the main apartment H10, the light above the door does not cast light on the floor so he made it look like is a broken light.. clearly not seeing this in my case

[whole girder]

yes so it is for me

but it wasn't earlier, and idk what changed

it may be something like not so good draw distance that's conflicting?

I'm not sure. also I don't agree with some of BBs ini settings, I've wondered if they perhaps cause problems (but haven't checked)

[vale token]

I don’t know, i do have it as well as i find it pretty essential.

[mystic shadow]

I'm not using the draw distance mod

[mystic shadow]

When you say the "first release", do you mean the relight files from the env basic file?

[mystic shadow]

Which ini settings? Are the relight .xl files ini files?

[gilded summit]

"Throw these into the appropriate folder
(he was talking about weather states inside the env)
Needs more testing - but I'm working to remove this nonsense for PT users
(fake sunlight)
The concept is good, but sadly CDPR didn't appropriately attenuate the feature per weather state, so sometimes it will be foggy but you get this fake sunligh"

[vale token]

In my view, this is what she meant

[gilded summit]

I know he did some of this for multiple locations. There are a few left that are still like this. So you gotta likely merge his weather states to another mod if you want this fixed

rain, heavy clouds, sandstorms. Maybe more

[vale token]

Think, she means rtxdi.ini, relight.ini

[vale token]

Not sure what you mean, but the example showed by you is clear, looks much better/realistic albeit the fog is perhaps too much… do you mean his relight changes?

[gilded summit]

o i just quoted him explaining it

was about 3 weather params to integrate into gits env before gits 3.x got released

• I wish i knew how to properly edit ENV files, so I could combine stuff properly, like sammi's fog, these edits from GITS, clouds from alternative weather visuals, weather probability rebalance for more/better variety, but i keep ending up with stuff that does some of it, but than messes up all the weather states to be left with just 2 different ones -.-

[mystic shadow]

@vale tokenworks for me

sorry it's so dark....windows tonemapping sucks

here's the jxr

but relight is working

[mystic shadow]

we're just talking about the relight .xl files

not the archive ENV file

[gilded summit]

the xl files are refering to edits he did

[mystic shadow]

ugh i'm so confused

[mystic shadow]

what was this about

what weather states

that wouldn't be in the relight files. Only the archive file?

[gilded summit]

yes part of the archive files

just like you need the archive files to benefit from all the world edits

[mystic shadow]

ohh

yes

i misunderstood you

we're just using the relight .xl files

not the archive file

[gilded summit]

load order might fix this, but things like those weather state edits will be lost when you run mods like alternative weather visuals, or sammi's fog mod

[gilded summit]

there is no point i think running relight.xl when not running the archive

[mystic shadow]

why was Sammi saying to do that

[gilded summit]

the archive contains all the streaming sector edits, which is what the relight/relightthefog refering to

[gilded summit]

😄 exactly

[mystic shadow]

actually it's like this even without relight

i think

i'm testing now

Okay something is off here

darker one is relight

so it's definitely doing something..

[gilded summit]

its still not working properly

[mystic shadow]

why is it darker

you have to open the .jxr files to really see the difference

don't look at the SDR images

you can't tell the differences

but even in the SDR image, look at underneath the stairs above you

it's much brighter in the non-relight one

but idk why

[gilded summit]

the difference in sdr is pretty clear

the fasttravel isnt lighting up, there is "fake" bounce light on the ceiling etc

^ this one is closer to proper lighting, only difference is RIS is disabled

the light coming from the fasttravel thingymagiggy is not propegating as it should on my screen

shot

[mystic shadow]

does toggling on/off RIS require a restart

i'm never seeing a difference

[gilded summit]

if you use sammi's tool from ultra+ it doesnt need restart, if you use ini files to change it, you need restart

[mystic shadow]

Neither of my shots have it like that

probably cause i'm using ultra+/fog mod

or osmething

something

[gilded summit]

likely

this is how it looks with edge lut

[mystic shadow]

yea just different lighting

i'm also using renodx

so my end result is way different i'm sure

but my question was why is relight making things even darker?

[gilded summit]

this is with 1.0 exposure instead of 10

[gilded summit]

left seems like RIS on, right looks like RIS off, and messed up relight

[mystic shadow]

But I thought you were supposed to turn RIS off for relight

the ini even disables it for you

@gilded summitThis is vanilla btw

so idk why you're getting so much green

unless my vanilla game is messed up

midtones were at 1 in that shot though

cause i had it there for reno

I feel like it looks weird in my version, even on vanilla for some reason. WHy is there no green light around it?

[gilded summit]

i was just about to correct myself, i said it the wrong way around 😄

[gilded summit]

because you need GITS archive + the relight.xl files to achieve this

[mystic shadow]

Oh that was with the archive in your screenshot?

Got it

[gilded summit]

#1186114072027074651 message you will lose out on fixes like this, if you run with a mod that touches on ENV's

regarless if you have gits archive installed

[mystic shadow]

What do you mean fixes like that?

[gilded summit]

removing fake sunlight

[mystic shadow]

I mean how would you miss out on fake sublight fixes if you don't have gits installed. Then you'd never have the fixes anyway. Hope that makes sense

[gilded summit]

because other mods overwrite it

like alternative weather visuals, sammi's fog mod etc

[mystic shadow]

Yea they all edit the same thing

[gilded summit]

because they include an ENV file

[mystic shadow]

Right

Yea all the mods contlict

[gilded summit]

they do

[mystic shadow]

So do the relight files do anything at all without the archive or no?

[gilded summit]

i need to get better at working with ENV files, so i can merge them

[gilded summit]

i dont think so

exept for the INI files

located in a different folder

[mystic shadow]

Then why was it much darker with relight files

Ris didn't seem to matter when I toggled it

[gilded summit]

ris causes fake light

relight needs the world edits

try it, install gits properly, (no ultra+) or other mods that touch on ENVs, and you will see no fake light, properly lit up fast travel points, and the light coming from it lighting up that whole area

[random geode]

btw is there any LUT mod that's worth using? Like Nova etc, HDR compatible ofc

[mystic shadow]

Alright I'll play around with it

Thx for explaining all that

[gilded summit]

i think all of them are worth using 😄

but it depends on your taste

[random geode]

nova is nice but nighttime looks bad

[gilded summit]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/11123 https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/9433

these 2 are pretty nice

more cinematic

[gilded summit]

make a 2nd profile for nights

[random geode]

those two are way too vibrant, not a huge fan of cinematic LUTs

I will just try to make Nova to look good at night

[mystic shadow]

I don't think the game needs a LUT mod with reno

[random geode]

and yea probably this

[mystic shadow]

The d65 toggle it enough for me

[random geode]

vanilla LUTs are at least consistent in quality, you know what to expect lol

[gilded summit]

nova lut with lut strenght at 0

i think you can get a pretty neutral feel with that

for both day and night

[random geode]

I will test it thanks

[gilded summit]

at least on pure

currently running edge lut 😄

[random geode]

is CyanideX still working on that HDR LUT btw?

[gilded summit]

yeh he is updating nova lut

but mostly pre-occupied with nova traffic, which i HIGHLY recommend btw

2 modders have combined their powers

[random geode]

i don't use modded cars

[gilded summit]

it still does something

it adds vehicles to the vanilla game that are unused

you can tweak it to your liking too

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10469?tab=files

im not sure if this one has a hdr lut

and if it does, if its a proper hdr lut

its one of those lut mods that tries to compensate for aces tonemapper i think

[mystic shadow]

@gilded summitI tested this properly and you are correct. The Relight .xl files do nothing without the archive

the difference was RIS

so the toggle in Sammi's mod may not function properly or needs a restart

@whole girder it appears that the .xl files do not function without the archive.

[vale token]

Finally, we all came to the same conclusion

[mystic shadow]

lol

[mystic shadow]

Yea I just tested it with the archive and now it works exactly like the screenshots

the light above V's apartment door is like half burned out and flickers

[whole girder]

no from the main gits (but I don't install gits)

[whole girder]

I can tell you... the edits in my env files are very basic ... from memory increasing sky in scattering and reducing silver lining

[whole girder]

oh, it's working fine for me. that's how I've been running the whole time

[gilded summit]

working fine and working as intended are 2 different things though 😄

[whole girder]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[gilded summit]

i mean it works fine if the game doesnt crash, but all his world edits are lost

he does a ton of steaming sector edits

in the archive file

streaming:
sectors:
- path: base\worlds\03_night_city_compiled\default\exterior_-1_-1_0_1.streamingsector
expectedNodes: 2602
nodeDeletions:
# light.ent
- index: 327
type: worldStaticLightNode

all these edits dont work i think

there are like hundreds of them over 3 xl files and sector changes in the archive

[whole girder]

idk, as I say there are places where there are clear differences without the archive file. but I haven't been focused on it at all, I've either been trying to fix PT or shootin chooms 😂

[mystic shadow]

So here's no lighting changes, just vanilla PT and the rest of my mods

Here's when you add ultra+ pt20 balanced

Here's when you add ultra fog on top of that

Here's when you add the gits 01 env basic full file on top of that

sorry all i have are JXRs

[whole girder]

is it pronounced JXR or GXR

[mystic shadow]

I just say "Jay-Ex-Ar"

Oh all my screenshots were with renodx opendrt forgot to mention

[mystic shadow]

Why does gits say "game version v2.11 only"

[vale token]

Suzuki 🙂

[whole girder]

because BabaBooey has disappeared 😊

[mystic shadow]

😦

[whole girder]

some sectors have changed in 2.12x, but idk what was affected

[mystic shadow]

hmm

well hopefully most of it still works

[mystic shadow]

It seems that sometimes ris gets forced back on

Changing shit in the video options like peak brightness slider can get it stuck back on

Idk why. Happens maybe 50% of the time

[indigo summit]

Been using relight but I haven’t noticed a spot where RIS does anything yet

[gilded summit]

pre 2.0 update Pathtracing would default to this

i think they turned some raster lighting back on because the game was to dark with just PT

[formal lodge]

thats the issue when you build a game around some of that, right

and then introduce something new later

[gilded summit]

yeh

basically 99% of HDR games 😄

[formal lodge]

yeeeah

itll be interesting when we get titles built around pathtracing completely

but that would be a ways off as the bar for entry is

pretty high

[gilded summit]

idk about alan wake 2, but isnt that build up from the ground to work properly with PT?

[formal lodge]

it might be but i dont know enough to comment

i know its implementation is solid though

very good

[gilded summit]

i havent touched it, or watched a lot about it though

[formal lodge]

itll drop on steam eventually

i think

[gilded summit]

im pretty autistic when it comes to games lol, i just play one game for thousands of hours and get really into it. Still need to play so many good games, but i know i wont..

[indigo summit]

Might test this spot when home, where’s it at by chance?

[gilded summit]

just outside v's apartment

[mystic shadow]

yea it's an easy spot to test

[mystic shadow]

so with gits, simply reloading a save forces RIS back on

[mystic shadow]

could be something with gits + ultra+

who knows

this engine is weird

[whole girder]

i can set Control to keep forcing it if needed

[whole girder]

from what i've heard it's normal RT with indirect (diffuse) PT

if it is, it's very cleveryld done. i haven't played it though, only seen it

[whole girder]

it could be a bug in my code

[gilded summit]

also forgot to tell you this, but for me gamebar stopped recording in the background after latest update, so for me the batch file isnt needed anymore

[whole girder]

oh right!

i don't know much about the gamebar... i just uninstall it 😂

but thank you 😊

[mystic shadow]

It might be. I have to test gits without ultra+

I'll let ya know

[mystic shadow]

What about gamebar recording in the background,?

[gilded summit]

couldnt be turned off, was always running in the back, eating up valuable recources, last update seems to fixed it for me, but idk they dont release proper update notes

[mystic shadow]

How do I tell if that is happening to me?

[gilded summit]

look for gamedvr or something similar in task manager

[mystic shadow]

can you give me the exact process name?

Does it only run when you play a game? Or always

even on desktop?

[whole girder]

gamedvr I think?

there's a reg file in U+ that kills it. but it also kills screenshots (I use FreeShooter so I don't care 😜)

[mystic shadow]

I don't see that process running on my PC at all

i've never seen it once

maybe it gets stuck on if you turn it on at all?

I've never turned it on litearlly once ever

so maybe i never got the bug

[whole girder]

https://github.com/FunkyFr3sh/GameDVR_Config/releases

[mystic shadow]

are you guys sure you don't accidentally have the "run in the background while i'm playing a game" checkbox checked in Game bar?

[whole girder]

Broadcast DVR Server?

idk, my windows has most of windows hacked out of it

[mystic shadow]

is it under here?

i dont see that at all

i'll check for it next time i'm playing a game

I've never attempted to record though

so maybe it only happens if you've toggled it in the past i have no idea

[gilded summit]

it used to run in the background even if you had it turned off, you might already be on a recent version, which fixed this bug

it seemed to have happened in 2021 too, the processes are listed, but it should be obvious because it eats up a lot of recources https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/service-host-gamedvr-and-broadcast-user/90b69655-e9c4-4a86-82b8-45b0876f3c4b

[mystic shadow]

i see the broadcast one but it's not using any resources

but I'll keep an eye out for it

thanks!

[gilded summit]

seems to run fine

no heavy recource useage

i dont have the process anymore, but i can still use the screenshot functionality, i record with obs/shadowplay

[mystic shadow]

I think it might be, similar to how NRD/RR gets buggy

something with Control idk

It's tough because reloading a save puts RIS back on

and you likely won't know it's on

unless you check the spots you know about

[whole girder]

it will become ticked if it gets reactivated

in Control

it shouldn't reactivate but there's a lot of updates to the code we need to merge

[gilded summit]

i just remembered that its not actually neurtral on regular settings. I did run some crazy settings like 90+% lut strenght and i set the peak brightness to insane values (1 million +)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3OxcU63lk

this is kinda how it can look, at 10k nits

still plenty of color in the highlights too, as shown in the end on those sparks that are ~10k nits

its in hdr btw

[whole girder]

wow

those sparks have some temporal lag, is that with u+ control?

[gilded summit]

idk tbh this clip was made ~2 weeks ago, and i swap my mods more than leonardo dicaprio swaps woman

[vale token]

you friends with Leo I gather? 🙂

[gilded summit]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-toast-cheers-champagne-gif-12045649

only when he pays

[whole girder]

hahaha

who IS his woman anyway. /confusing man signals/

[whole girder]

now i have to have a Leo fest 🤭

[gilded summit]

i guess this is different than how it looks like in my mind, but feel free to elaborate, what exactly is a leo fest?

[whole girder]

hahaha. lots of Leo movies of course! 😂

[gilded summit]

o that is indeed something completely different than i had in mind

[whole girder]

what on earth did you have in mind 😂

[gilded summit]

a bunch of lions coming together to party obviously

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-gif-13536761

[whole girder]

https://tenor.com/oZ2G.gif

this is what i was thinking but okay ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 😂

[mystic shadow]

anyone know what causes these artifacts on the left of the screen? Seems to be something with path tracing, and only in cyberpunk, and only in certain areas. Happens with vanilla too but much less

[whole girder]

RTXDI i believe

are you running DLSSTweaks?

[mystic shadow]

no but i'm running SK

[whole girder]

okay, idk where the option is in SK, but in DLSSTweaks if you disable the problem seems to go away if you change

DynamicResolutionMinOffset = -1    ; <--- change this to 0

[mystic shadow]

thanks i'll try it

also found another weird issue with gits it seems

the brightness is effected by the peak brightness slider, even when using renodx

which shouldn't 'happen unless you're using 0 grain in reno with vanilla grain

@vale orchid fyi on this. interesting with gits

wait i think it's something else, not gits

[vale orchid]

Settings?

[mystic shadow]

something is messing with RIS i think?

[vale orchid]

Vanilla tonemapper stretches, if you're using that

[mystic shadow]

no i'm using opendrt

i think it's gits

or like a gits + ultra+ issue

[vale orchid]

Try the latest build