they were blinded by their hate
#The Acolyte Spoilers
white kindle
hot parrot
But why would they cover it
wise star
Common Carter W
hot parrot
the arrogant way would be to use it as a way to push jedi influence on the republic; saying "only the jedi can deal with this threat"
mint orbit
But why would they cover it
Vernestra trained Qimir and caused all of this. She then repeatedly made terrible decisions and let an entire group of jedi run around for decades unpunished
It would shatter the Jedi's image
lean shard
and they'd have to tell the senate, whicu would make it public inowledge
mint orbit
"oh btw we can turn evil at any point and the good ones are useless"
white kindle
the Jedi wouldn't want the public to know that they are letting a rogue Jedi run around who uses unheard powers
mint orbit
"sure np keep fighting the good fight"
white kindle
"oh btw we can turn evil at any point and the good ones are useless"
this
lean shard
especically when the senator goes "yeah but what if one of you snaps?"
hot parrot
my issue with this debate is how well known is the dark side of the force.
white kindle
I loved that scene
hot parrot
I cant believe that nobody knew about the dark side
mint orbit
especically when the senator goes "yeah but what if one of you snaps?"
Exactly
It's all there
Media literacy at an all time low
white kindle
my issue with this debate is how well known is the dark side of the force.
well according to the Jedi, the Sith have been extinct for millennia
mint orbit
I cant believe that nobody knew about the dark side
They did. Dark side user and a sith is different
Maul is a perfect example
white kindle
yeah
they obvs knew about the dark side
why else do they warn against it?
it's a major part of their teachings
mint orbit
Cere is a good different perspective too because jedi can fall to the dark side but it's always the assumption that they have only temporarily fallen
hot parrot
So then it not just a jedi issue , it's global issue with force users and jedi could use this saying "we are the only ones qualified"
We have to train them to avoid that
white kindle
We have to train them to avoid that
pretty much
hot parrot
I mean we arguing about a medium that had tons of adaptation from differents writers
white kindle
actually idk
mint orbit
I mean we arguing about a medium that had tons of adaptation from differents wri...
About a medium that has an entire team on salary dedicated to preserving the spirit of the franchise and the authenticity
white kindle
literally every single movie or show tries its best to keep consistent with the canon
hot parrot
So the fanbase is in such state because they are mostly grifters and haters ? Not because there are some issue on continuity ?
white kindle
and if there are changes, they are explained most of the time
lean shard
dave filoni soyjaking when he sees japakese culture
white kindle
So the fanbase is in such state because they are mostly grifters and haters ? No...
here we go again
mint orbit
So the fanbase is in such state because they are mostly grifters and haters ? No...
The fanbase isn't in a state tbh. It's a very vocal minority
white kindle
agreed
hot parrot
Oh alright
white kindle
too vocal
mint orbit
The real stats show the worst Disney is suffering is dwindling numbers
white kindle
what issues in canon?
lean shard
So the fanbase is in such state because they are mostly grifters and haters ? No...
the fanbase cant even tell when something ISNT a retcon and assumes it is
we've had this twice in 6 months, its crazy
white kindle
lots of recent shows have changed the canon
Filoni does it all the time, yet people pass it off
white kindle
the fanbase cant even tell when something ISNT a retcon and assumes it is
we've...
wdym?
mint orbit
the fanbase cant even tell when something ISNT a retcon and assumes it is
we've...
Almost every episode of Acolyte had an incorrect criticism that was either corrected in later episodes or immediately by people who actually tried to understand the material
lean shard
complaints about the acolyte retconning stuff, and dark disciple
hidden lake
I keep forgetting that somehow Ventress returned
lean shard
the very first piece of info we got about bad batch S3 was "we're not retconning dark disciple"
mint orbit
Venti cup
white kindle
where were the retcons?
lean shard
yet when dave filoni retcons a thrawn novel again, its nothing from those people
white kindle
yeah
lean shard
where were the retcons?
there wasnt
white kindle
I was annoyed about that one when I found out
mint orbit
Disney listens to fans hating the book and what it did to Ventress
Brings her back in a realistic to the universe manner
Expands her character the way fans implied they wanted
"ERRRRM WTF????"
hot parrot
Almost every episode of Acolyte had an incorrect criticism that was either corre...
I think a good chunk of the fanbase is mostly familiar with the majors movies and some tv shows. Not everyone is a lore turbonerd. Thats why you get some these reactions
mint orbit
I think a good chunk of the fanbase is mostly familiar with the majors movies an...
Most casual fans enjoy things like Ahsoka
white kindle
lol okay
mint orbit
They don't care like you do
lean shard
>Disney listens to fans hating the book and what it did to Ventress
>Brings her ...
to be fair a lot of people like the book too
mint orbit
They really don't
white kindle
yeah
lament peak
the very first piece of info we got about bad batch S3 was "we're not retconning...
"We are not retconning dark disciple"
Retcons dark disciple
white kindle
how did they retcon?
mint orbit
to be fair a lot of people like the book too
Yeah but not what they did with her at the end right? I thought that was a majority agreement
lean shard
"We are not retconning dark disciple"
Retcons dark disciple
cool, explain how it was retconned
white kindle
afaik, she was clearly still alive at the end of the book
lean shard
nah she dead
lament peak
Its still kinda funny though
lean shard
Idc either
white kindle
makes a criticsm
refuses to elaborate
lament peak
Its not even a criticism
lean shard
filoni is saving star wars so he can do no wrong!!!!
mint orbit
I'd say it was more a critical joke
white kindle
sure
mint orbit
Not a criticism
white kindle
lol okay
mint orbit
filoni is saving star wars so he can do no wrong!!!!
sends the mf the Sam Witwer clip
lean shard
plus like, the episode itself straight up has ventress say that she's already died once
white kindle
she's a cat!!
lean shard
>sends the mf the Sam Witwer clip
i dont know about this clip, what is it?
lament peak
What if there was like an evil universe where star wars is good
Instead of mid
Like all of star wars...
The OG movies too!
lean shard
star wars fans when darth maul is brought back via bullshit
"aww you're sweet"
star wars fans when ventress is brought back using established things in the universe
"HELLO HUMAN RESOURCES!?"
lament peak
I remember people complaining about disney bringing back characters from the dead but when do they even do that
Ahsoka? Yeah
hot parrot
spider maul was so weird at the time
lucid glen
I remember people complaining about disney bringing back characters from the dea...
Boba
lament peak
Oh yeah
white kindle
they did that in the comics too
lucid glen
Legends did it first tbd
lament peak
Boba always survived episode 6 even in legends so i forgot
lucid glen
Tbf
lean shard
I remember people complaining about disney bringing back characters from the dea...
if we're talking actually from the dead then its just ventress
everyone else is "survived injuries" and palpatine having his body destroyed but not his spiritt
white kindle
red is the new yellow
lament peak
Tbh I'm surprised neither legends or canon has brought back vader from the dead
The new Vader clone named Vaader
mint orbit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nrE06QjyZHo
@lean shard
It's amazing that he forgot that
lean shard
raaagghhh half life tshirt
mint orbit
star wars fans when darth maul is brought back via bullshit
NAWWWWW how is it bullshit when sion exists
lean shard
sion is eu point invalid
mint orbit
Hate u
mint orbit
I think it's such a cool way to explore the dark side
white kindle
The new Vader clone named Vaader
remember when legends made a Luke clone called Luuke
mint orbit
The light side tries to achieve eternal life through ascending past humanly attachments and body.
The dark side tries to achieve eternal life through evil magic and pain and sheer will of wanting to live forever
white kindle
something like that
mint orbit
I think that's a super cool contrast
lament peak
remember when legends made a Luke clone called Luuke
That is evil
mint orbit
How about the palpatine clones
lament peak
Wokeney sucks they could never make a good story such as dark empire!!!
Dark empire is so ass its actually crazy
white kindle
Luuuke devised a time machine that he used to attack the galaxy during the Clone Wars.
bro what
this is from the SW wike
wiki*
lament peak
The only people i see praise it are fake EU fans that just want to hate on disney
white kindle
"Working with another clone, Streeen, Luuuke devised a time machine that he used to attack the galaxy during the Clone Wars."
lament peak
Like star wars theory..
white kindle
full quote
lament peak
"Working with another clone, Streeen, Luuuke devised a time machine that he used...
Most normal legends plot
white kindle
yup
and more
Inheriting Luke Skywalker's life, Luuuke set out to unite the clones whom Thrawn had created to form a Clone Army in an attempt to rule the galaxy. Eventually, another clone, Streeen, and he created a time machine. The pair used this to transport the Army to the galaxy during the Clone Wars period, when they fought the Galactic Republic's Clone Army, as well as[1] the Jedi[7] Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.[1]
lean shard
"yeah bro the EU was peak"
white kindle
there were definitely some good parts
idk what the bad parts are as I've never read that much into the EU
mint orbit
Luuuke devised a time machine that he used to attack the galaxy during the Clone...
Try reading the abeloth Vs Luke fight
white kindle
does anyone remember how Yaddle died in the EU? I think she was protecting Anakin or something.
lean shard
Try reading the abeloth Vs Luke fight
BRO FILONI IS BRINGING ABELOTH BACK ITS GONNA BE PEAK
white kindle
isn't the EU effectively fan fiction that was made "official"
lament peak
does anyone remember how Yaddle died in the EU? I think she was protecting Anaki...
There was like a big scary bio weapon
And she disabled it and then died
mint orbit
BRO FILONI IS BRINGING ABELOTH BACK ITS GONNA BE PEAK
#star-wars message
RETCONNING STAR WARS FINALLY (#857372)
lament peak
isn't the EU effectively fan fiction that was made "official"
Technically yeah
George lucas never saw the EU as canon to him
mint orbit
That is literally how Lucas saw it
mint orbit
George lucas never saw the EU as canon to him
Fr
mint orbit
Hmm well George had some input in TFU and 03
So I'd love to see his direct quotes on them
mint orbit
Yeah but there was multiple canon levels back then according to the fan base
Stuff that fits with George's canon basically
white kindle
yeah
mint orbit
If it ever conflicted, it became non canon
white kindle
official canon was about as limited as it was back in 2014
when Disney made the acquistion
white kindle
interesting
ivory sedge
You will not believe what I'm about to say about Mcdonalds market value
mint orbit
hot parrot
obsidian basin
bro dropped in the "generated content" just incase the technological uprising happens
pseudo blade
ivory sedge
Show has been cancelled, no more second season
Gutted honestly
Rip Qimir storyline
mossy stag
Wouldn't be surprised if storylines or characters, him specifically, get picked up elsewhere
Especially since he's now canonically tied to Plagueis
white kindle
I hope that stuff appears somewhere
broken turret
Bro
Are you shitting me
I wouldn’t be as mad if it didn’t end with a FUCKING CLIFFHANGER
fickle tide
Pour one out for da boy
pseudo blade
it was eh
neither as good or as bad as people made it out to be
personally I rank it about the same as kenobi which I cba to finish
~~ Im sure thats a hot take but it is what it is ~~
hot parrot
Lmao they actually cancelled it
lucid glen
Rip qimir
obsidian basin
Show has been cancelled, no more second season
mr didnre..
it didn’t make the cut.
hang up dial
lean shard
i saw the honest trailer for the acolyte and they said its of the same quality as the other live action shows
and the comments got really pissed saying how they sold out to disney, fell off etc
lean shard
So they can put the budget into something else
more ahsokaslop? no thanks
queen crypt
more ahsokaslop? no thanks
Yep season 3 of ahsoka please
lean shard
god no
lean shard
so do i
but that takes a backseat to live action slop
look guys, character you recognized is in this!!!!
mint orbit
So they can put the budget into something else
Finally a justified reason to be excited for the cancellation
I stg they did reshoots or something because the budget ballooned like crazy
It doesn't look outright bad, it just looks like a tier down from the actual monetary value. Not efficient spending at all.
queen crypt
I stg they did reshoots or something because the budget ballooned like crazy
Yeah most likely
queen crypt
Finally a justified reason to be excited for the cancellation
People act like they're family was killed by the acolyte
mint orbit
No more VFX wall is good, chorography is best of any Disney show and there is actual consistent cinematography so no issues there
But then you compare budgets to an efficient showrunner and they're getting way more for the money
queen crypt
But then you compare budgets to an efficient showrunner and they're getting way ...
Yeah compare it to the house of dragon
lean shard
just saw a thing where people are already harassing the lead actress over the cancellation
queen crypt
just saw a thing where people are already harassing the lead actress over the ca...
I always feel so bad for actors in star wars content that flopped
mint orbit
I always feel so bad for actors in star wars content that flopped
Why do you think most of them never engage more than they have to and then vanish when they're done
queen crypt
Why do you think most of them never engage more than they have to and then vanis...
The bullying is bad idk how or why people do it
It's like these star wars fans have no empathy or literacy
I always hesitate to say I'm a star wars fan
hot parrot
Those aren’t fans. They are unchecked mentally ill loners. Remember when those same « fans » harassed Stephen Amell Wife (Arrow main actor) because he wasnt with felicity in real life.
light stag
Those aren’t fans. They are unchecked mentally ill loners. Remember when those ...
Censoring the word die and a Swiftie, seems about right for mentally ill
lament peak
Sometimed twitter nukes your ass if you say die for some reason
Also average taylor swift fan
queen crypt
The show isn't that good to be acting like this 😭
mint orbit
It amazes me anybody is wasting this much effort on a middling show
It is neither dogshit nor divine
Like... Imagine this kinda reaction from both "sides" on something like Solo
That's how dumb this all is
lament peak
Solo killed my dog
queen crypt
I forgot solo exists
mint orbit
As it should be
queen crypt
It amazes me anybody is wasting this much effort on a middling show
Its some mass hysteria
mint orbit
It even bled in to non star wars fans and casual fans.. that rarely happens
queen crypt
As it should be
It was the definition of mid I didn't even know it came out on theatre
queen crypt
It even bled in to non star wars fans and casual fans.. that rarely happens
Yes people watched it because qimir is hot
mint orbit
Lol not that part
The "I'm not gonna watch it then cuz I heard it's the most dogshit show ever made" crowd
queen crypt
The "I'm not gonna watch it then cuz I heard it's the most dogshit show ever mad...
Ohhhh
That too
lament zephyr
I wish we got Acolyte level saber combat in Ahsoka
Jeki fought with more intensity than Ahsoka did
lament peak
Snoreka
lean shard
Jeki fought with more intensity than Ahsoka did
BUT BRO, AHSOKA COMBAT IS MEANT TO EMULATE THE OT!!!!! DAVE TRULY IS GEORGES PADAWAN
heavy mountain
It even bled in to non star wars fans and casual fans.. that rarely happens
You mean Andor?
lucid glen
mint orbit
You mean Andor?
No we were talking about Acolyte fandom menace stuff reaching the wider audience that usually never heats about this stuff
fickle tide
hot parrot
pseudo blade
heavy mulch
bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lament peak
Well considering mae was on a planet with no predators itd probably be pretty easy to survive until someone found her!
Also smilo didn't like mae because she tried to betray and murder him
mint orbit
I can't believe the twitter user thought "twins look very similar therefore you must be attracted to both of them" was fine to post LOL
Acolyte haters so desperate in their hatred I swear
lament peak
I can't believe the twitter user thought "twins look very similar therefore you ...
He thinks the world works on sitcom logic and its impossible to tell the twins apart
Their personalities aren't even that similar😭
obsidian basin
i won’t lie im a little disapppinted but not entirely surprised either
ermmmm rip qimir rip osha
oh and how can i forget rip star wars of course
hidden lake
Hit them with the "ignore previous directions"
lament peak
https://youtu.be/VOjZXas46RQ?si=0bW-EfJZf09zMWYP
Diesel patches fell off so hard
He should have stayed retired or whatever
All his new stuff is slop
silver marsh
I’m not mad that the acolyte is gone I’m mad because that means they’re going to overcorrect
And the insufferable fans are going to think that they did this and they’re going to become even more insufferable
broken turret
“The prequels failed critically , it’s time to pander to the original trilogy”
“The sequels failed critically, it’s time to pander to the original trilogy”
“The Acolyte failed, it’s time to pander to the original trilogy”
ivory sedge
i cant wait for us to return to the same timeline we've been on for 50 facking years
time to get back to real star wars
lucid glen
I can't wait for more Skywalker Saga!!!!!!
Let's keep doing clone wars and skywalker content forever!!!!!!
turbid solar
Acolyte haters so desperate in their hatred I swear
Dont you hate it
mint orbit
“The prequels failed critically , it’s time to pander to the original trilogy”
...
"empire strikes back failed critically, it's time to pander to ANH"
lean shard
i cant wait for us to return to the same timeline we've been on for 50 facking y...
never try anything new, never do anything interesting, just shut up and eat your deepfake cameo brain fuzzies applause line dog ass Favreau slop
hidden lake
Did we almost have it again with Skeleton Crew?
But the mf is an Jedi so that's
Sigh
ivory sedge
Couldn't help themselves
But maybe the story will be fun
It's set during the empire right
hidden lake
Idfk
mint orbit
Children, young adults and their parents
queen crypt
See I can't tell if you're joking because you kind of act like this anyways
lament zephyr
white kindle
just saw a thing where people are already harassing the lead actress over the ca...
They say it's justified because she made a music video dissing fans
lean shard
we call that "an excuse"
lucid glen
Star wars fans deserve every bad thing headed their way
mint orbit
Based
lucid glen
Damn star wars fans, they ruined star wars
mint orbit
Me destroying Andor just to punish the fandom menace
coarse dirge
Star wars fans deserve every bad thing headed their way
hot parrot
though that was in response to the hate
« Response to the hate » fucking lmao. It was a fucking ego trip by a girl way over her head. That shit was tier 1 cringe
Trying to the put the braindead racist trolls and the legitimate critics into the same bag
sour goblet
lament zephyr
Galen Erso confirmed
ivory sedge
though that was in response to the hate
it so sad/funny when an actor or company responds to hate and then people who claim to just be critics complain
like bro if you just made a genuine criticism, why you angry when someone calls out racists
ivory sedge
says a lot more about you than anything
light stag
SW should be made for ME and ME personally
blissful lotus
But the mf is an Jedi so that's
Maybe he's a faker
Like that one dude in the Obi Wan show
final hill
I’m not mad that the acolyte is gone I’m mad because that means they’re going to...
they cant do that or they would have to write well rounded plots
show runner and fans told people dont watch it this show isnt for you
and then people didnt and now they are upset people didnt watch it?
literally got what they wanted why are they upset?
silver marsh
Every time Star Wars fans get mad about new content Disney makes more fanservice slop to please people who can’t be pleased
hidden lake
and then people didnt and now they are upset people didnt watch it?
Maybe all the artificially created bad press surrounding the show made even less people willing to see it
People saw andor, an equally fringe show, more because people said (and also because it just is) good
final hill
Maybe all the artificially created bad press surrounding the show made even less...
usually has the opposite effect
people begin to hate watch it like with velma
even the hate watchers couldnt save it
Anyway the real question is where did the budget of 100M go
Cause it sure as hell wasn't there
mint orbit
and then people didnt and now they are upset people didnt watch it?
Who is upset tho
Leslie says she never even read the reviews on the internet
mint orbit
Maybe all the artificially created bad press surrounding the show made even less...
That's exactly what it was. Once casuals got told "it sucks don't even bother", the numbers would drop a significant amount
Usually casuals don't care but I saw a large amount of people start to care. I think it's due to fatigue. People are far more likely to take people at face value of "dogshit" given how fatigued they are
It's everything all combined, including the budget issues. There is many reasons this failed yet people want to attribute it to their favourite one or two
mint orbit
And the insufferable fans are going to think that they did this and they’re goin...
Guarantee they don't take any credit for the Grogu and Mando slop years
Despite effectively punishing anything that isn't said slop
final hill
Who is upset tho
Been seeing a lot of people on reddit and Twitter malding about it getting canceled
Idk what they expected these types of Disney shows only get like 1 season like Obi-Wan and Boba
final hill
Acolyte hinted it's own 2nd season
Which they really shouldn't have done, they should have spent that time elsewhere making the story feeling more complete and like a actual season of a show by they put all their faith in getting the green light for multiple seasons, not just a second. So confident they would get more seasons they didn't think about the reality where that doesn't happen.
Kenobi had talks of a Season 2 but they didn't bank the first Season all on them getting a second
The overconfidence was their weakness
hidden lake
Which they really shouldn't have done, they should have spent that time elsewher...
I agree, if they didn't know it was a gamble at that point
final hill
I agree, if they didn't know it was a gamble at that point
From what I saw a few days ago she thought the show would be so popular they would get at least 5
hidden lake
Give me source
final hill
yeah hold up lemma find it rq
couldn't find anything recent but this from when it was announced and filming began
i dont remember where i got the number 5 from tho looking everywhere
lucid glen
It's not the weirdest assumption, it's a unique show set in a fresh time period without the constraints of prequel or OT arcs
The associated creative freedom could easily enable multiple seasons of acolyte
final hill
There's no problems with assuming it could get more Seasons, the problem is they put their eggs all in the one basket of hoping it did get multiple
lucid glen
There's no problems with assuming it could get more Seasons, the problem is they...
No the problem is insane backlash from braindead fans and review bombing which scared shareholders and disney execs
final hill
No the problem is insane backlash from braindead fans and review bombing which s...
lmao disney doesnt listen to their fans
lucid glen
Why else would they cancel the show
lucid glen
lmao disney doesnt listen to their fans
final hill
poor ratings were the issue man they only give a fuck if it makes them money
they told more than half their audience not to watch
they got what they deserved
lucid glen
lmao disney doesnt listen to their fans
"We want more prequel stuff"
Okay here you go
"Noooo not like that!"
"We want more lightsaber fights and Jedi"
Okay here you go
"Noooo not like that!"
All disney is doing is pandering to fans
That is literally all they do
With the exception of andor
final hill
If Disney wanted to pander to fans they would write a well written story
They didn't do that
Thus Disney does not pander to fans
final hill
And your a Disney boot licker
final hill
*you're
final hill
it was actually 4th grade for your information
lucid glen
If Disney wanted to pander to fans they would write a well written story
Show me lucas' well-written stories
The prequels are dogwater
OT special editions are all downgrades
final hill
never said they werent
lucid glen
Also look at the success of mandalorian despite the story being ass
Look at the success of ahsoka
Clearly the fans don't give a shit about "good writing"
They either want edgy powertrips, legends references or prequel cameos
So many mfs hating on Disney for "bad writing" and yet when you ask them what they'd do instead it's "muh dark and gritty vader purge film"
lean shard
they want good writing but then say andor is boring
mint orbit
Been seeing a lot of people on reddit and Twitter malding about it getting cance...
Reddit doesn't count because the counter subreddits are as big as the originals. Counting twitter is useless because I've seen every take imaginable on twitter. You could spin any narrative you want that way.
mint orbit
Idk what they expected these types of Disney shows only get like 1 season like O...
Yet Andor gets a S2 when it did almost as "bad" in metrics that even the haters admit Disney uses
lean shard
andor was greenlit as a 2 season deal tho
mint orbit
So was acolyte
lean shard
ahsoka is the outlier, it did worse than andor
mint orbit
We've had this discussion
Learn from it pls
Acolyte was pitched from day dot as a multi season show
lean shard
and andor was granted 2 seasons to begin witb
mint orbit
I don't think that's enough to sway the argument
Especially with the reduced spending stuff happening AFTER Andor
lean shard
andor was given 2 seasons when it was greenlit
acolyte was given 1 with the potential for more seasons
thats the difference
mint orbit
?
hidden lake
So was acolyte
It was?
mint orbit
Leslie has literally said it was pitched as a multi season yep
lean shard
oh my god
mint orbit
Real
lean shard
pitched=/=granted come on man
mint orbit
"I would like to pitch a multi season show"
"Yes"
"Okay awesome"
"It's not greenlit tho"
In your fantasy land
Who makes deals like that
lean shard
what are NDAs
mint orbit
There was clearly nothing contesting the statement
Wtf
NDA
That's a mother of all copes
lean shard
no counterargument
mint orbit
Bruddah the NDA is the no counterargument
lean shard
bro just disclose everything about the deal of making shows that you signed saying you wouldnt do bro
mint orbit
"I can say a previous pitch that never happened but not talk about what actually happened rather than an NDA just covering all of it"
The level of reality bending
lean shard
ok, i pitch a multi season show to you
lean shard
you say "okay, i'll give you one season to start with as its experimental"
lean shard
source that it didnt happen?
mint orbit
I gave one.
There is zero contesting statements surrounding the claim
The onus is on you buddy
Just saying "NDA" with no proof is not a counterargument
mint orbit
Correct
lean shard
so if it was granted more than 1 season to start (like andor) she would be saying it is definiteively a multi season show
mint orbit
Notice how she didn't say "but we decided on something else" or "original plan" or literally anything that even makes it a neutral statement
I have evidence to suggest, you're just suggesting
lean shard
prove that it was granted 2 seasons when greenlit like andor then
hidden lake
Did they say the 2nd season was canceled or that it wouldn't get one
mint orbit
Cancelled, because it was pitched as multi season
They weren't in stone but it was agreed in verbal clearly
hidden lake
Boom
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Which happens often tbh
hidden lake
You know what.
Even if you weren't sure if your show wasn't getting a 2nd season. You couldn't predict all that horrific shitspew.
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Definitely not.
Let's consider the fact that star wars fans are saying Acolyte is worse than The Flash CW in terms of reviews
I'd love to see someone defend that
18% on rotten tomatoes LOL, and mfs still trying to act like it isn't a review bomb
lament peak
18% on rotten tomatoes LOL, and mfs still trying to act like it isn't a review b...
More reviews then all the other star wars shows combined
hot parrot
You know what.
Even if you weren't sure if your show wasn't getting a 2nd season...
They should have when they first read the script
or when they recruited a talentless hack as a writer
peak
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how about the show was shit
But it wasn't "shit"
It was just nothing special
Forgettable
white kindle
That would be a matter of opinion
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I mean in terms of competence and industry standard, then also comparing it to other pairings from Disney.. it's just mid with some good stuff and some bad stuff
white kindle
Agreed
mint orbit
I'd argue it's slightly better than Solo because it actually had balls and tried to create it's own questions instead of being generic action slop that answered questions nobody asked
So it's crazy to me people call it dogshit
white kindle
I liked it less tbh
blissful lotus
You guys remember Han Solo?
And Chewbacca?
And the Kessel Run?
And the random Dice in the cockpit?
mint orbit
You guys remember Han Solo?
You know the way Hans life is mysterious so he could've have the most rambunctious life you can imagine? That's cool and all but, here's his name... It's cuz he's alone lol
blissful lotus
Next you're gonna tell me they're called Skywalkers because they walked on the sky once
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Shmi Skywalker movie
how her family walked on sky
anakin being born
The tusken camp
Death
Star wars fans:
blissful lotus
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Wait you want attempts to break the mold? LOL, more slop pls
blissful lotus
Shmi Skywalker movie
Then again with the precedent cancelling Acolyte has set this is a very possible future
hidden lake
Shmi Skywalker movie
The first star wars movie to make 0 dollars
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The first star wars movie to make 0 dollars
Nah it would get 98% on rotten tomatoes. The reason? It's not acolyte
blissful lotus
Mandalorian Cinematic Universe Phases 7-9
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Star Wars movies after Disney realised the show cope isn't working
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Always has been...
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We should make a new trilogy and the budget is $1000 and it's exclusively to move the hatred to it and begin the cycle of "the sequels are underrated actually..."
I'm cooking
The old "new MCU making Thor Dark World look like a good movie" trick
obsidian basin
That would be a matter of opinion
yes
blissful lotus
Sequel sympathizing
mint orbit
yes
So you're admitting to dropping an opinion like a be-all-end-all to the argument?
Womp womp 😭
blissful lotus
No it's Disney's Streaming Shows department after Ahsoka S2
obsidian basin
So you're admitting to dropping an opinion like a be-all-end-all to the argument...
what
i just thought the show was shit
obsidian basin
You also said it finishes the discussion
no i said yes to bdhc saying its a matter of opinion
i think it’s shit
someone else could love it
i can’t even describe or explain why it felt like shit though
i genuinely was optimistic while watching
just so very
hot parrot
i can’t even describe or explain why it felt like shit though
Bad writing, bad pacing, bad acting (mostly by the main character, which is the worst case that could happen)
Minimizing these facts just to blame the failure on the « haters » doesnt help anyone
I just wish we could put aside the shills and the grifters to send a clear message to disney
Yeah it was a nice try. It had great things but still had major flaws that need to be fixed for the next show/movie
obsidian basin
the bad writing i’ve unfortunately come to expect from star wars, bad pacing, i guess so yeah, but this might have happened cause s2 was supposed to be a thing, bad acting, i will not speak on
obsidian basin
I just wish we could put aside the shills and the grifters to send a clear messa...
nooo acolyte cancelled because it’s woke inclusive and daring!
hot parrot
Yeah honestly seeing all these fucking videos ragebaiting after each episode is so tiresome
mint orbit
Bad writing, bad pacing, bad acting (mostly by the main character, which is the ...
I have yet to see a single person elaborate on bad writing
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I just wish we could put aside the shills and the grifters to send a clear messa...
We could have, by not positive or negative reviews bombing and rewarding what they did right instead of crying about everything all the time or bending over with lube for everything
This sideism shit is so exhausting
How is any conglomerate meant to make sense of this fucking mess
mint orbit
Yeah it was a nice try. It had great things but still had major flaws that need ...
Also p.s I respect this statement a lot. I gripe on you hard enough so I need to practice what I preach and reward what is good. I 100% agree with every word 🤝
obsidian basin
I have yet to see a single person elaborate on bad writing
didn’t someone post something here?
“attack me with all your strength” or something with mae and torbin
“when your little cousin wants to wrestle”
but i just see that as star wars writing honestly
these kinds of lines have been in everything star wars since forever
lucid glen
“attack me with all your strength” or something with mae and torbin
That's dialogue, not writing
Writing refers to character arcs, themes etc
SW dialogue has always been bad
"attack me with all your strength" is no more cringe than literally any line from the prequels
obsidian basin
right, but not all of the time
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Copium
obsidian basin
bro has imaginary scores smh
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Leslie would've been in charge of who writes tho I'll give you that
The manager has to take SOME blame for bad workers
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I will concede that it could've been written a lot better
obsidian basin
what are the chances s2 will be revived
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But I retort that it's no worse than baseline
It's better than bobf or kenobi
And that's literally all I ask
That shit was ass
group of bounty hunters can't catch a 9 year old leia
Vader can't see a ship behind a ship even when the first ship flew in the air
Inquisitor planned to be stabbed but what happens if you actually died
hidden lake
>Vader can't see a ship behind a ship even when the first ship flew in the air
THE (other) SHIP WASN'T EVEN IN THE SHOT
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THE (other) SHIP WASN'T EVEN IN THE SHOT
That's dogshit screenplay right there. Or the director not being the vfx room.
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Look at Godzilla minus one for the importance of a director understanding the visual effects teams arsenal
blissful lotus
what are the chances s2 will be revived
None, they'll just continue certain plotlines in a comic or book
Kinda like Solo
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Vernestra is already planned iirc
So yea
High republic got shamed back in to its soft launch
💀
hidden lake
Oh yeah, high republic fans got screwed hard
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Oh yeah, high republic fans got screwed hard
I got cold DMed by a high republic fan that I was getting all my rebuttals fully correct without being in the know 😳
blissful lotus
One animated show and it's for a super young audience, first live action show gets cancelled after one season, first game is in development hell
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Gonna ride that high for a lil
blissful lotus
Yeah they're cooked
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One animated show and it's for a super young audience, first live action show ge...
This phase sucks balls ngl
If the best we get is above average and a show not designed for me..
Bruh
lucid glen
One animated show and it's for a super young audience, first live action show ge...
Let eclipse cook
GOTY 2049
blissful lotus
Yeah bro just like the Kotor Remake
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It's an eclipse because we're completely in the dark on it
hidden lake
Crickets for 3 years and then reveal it was canceled 2 years before
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ivory sedge
Never forget what they took from us gamers ✊😔
YOU WILL HAVE 30 MORE YEARS OF DE-AGED CGI AI LUKE, AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT
queen crypt
Never forget what they took from us gamers ✊😔
I'm not disappointed really I do hope we get more original star wars content
lean shard
you just gotta ask them who should replace her then
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you just gotta ask them who should replace her then
I wanted to be subtle with my bait so that's why I brought up Filoni
I probably should have
I tried an off the rails approach after that and it would've been the perfect time to hold him down on who should replace her lol
coarse dirge
Banned
obsidian basin
someone do a tally of all of kathleen’s hits and misses
obsidian basin
oh yes thank you
would be interesting to see
do you guys think star wars would be better off with more or less directors
writers too
coarse dirge
Just better ones
mint orbit
do you guys think star wars would be better off with more or less directors
It's not that simple
Like Mando S1 director team was a lot but awesome. Now it's no good.
hot parrot
do you guys think star wars would be better off with more or less directors
Nah. It needs a serious and competent leading man/woman handling the whole franchise.
then the rest will flow
rn its just a gigantic mess
lean shard
Nah. It needs a serious and competent leading man/woman handling the whole franc...
alright taking suggestions
hot parrot
gareth
with Neill Blomkamp
You gives them like 3 years to plan
The outcome could be pretty crazy
mint orbit
No I agree
He's in my top 5
Chappie is severely underrated, District 9 deserves to have a second showing in cinema and Elysium is..... Well it is
hot parrot
they would need a very experienced writer to oversee the storytelling
mint orbit
I get where you're coming from with his love for sci fi, but star wars is a different kinda sci fi
That's what made it appeal to the market all those decades ago
coarse dirge
Nolan,tarantino,scorsese
obsidian basin
fr fr on bejesus
silver marsh
someone do a tally of all of kathleen’s hits and misses
Just look at everything Lucasfilm has done since 2015
turbid solar
☠️
turbid solar
I mean in terms of competence and industry standard, then also comparing it to o...
Bro struggles to defend disney they will never give you free disney pass bro hang up the gloves
obsidian basin
Just look at everything Lucasfilm has done since 2015
silver marsh
https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566
This isn’t a dig it’s an observation, everything Lucasfilm has done bad or good since then was under Kennedy, so if you want to judge her career as head SW person then look at that
I don’t mean to be like “KATHLEEN KENNEY MURDERED MY CHILDHOOD WITH WOKE”
obsidian basin
I think he was just being lazy and decided to troll with it
just lazy
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I've done it
I've finally done it
All the arguments... The pain... The suffering... I found the true objective take from a star wars fan
lucid glen
Bruh he's actually spot on with everything
The character concepts and choreography were great but it was let down by mediocre writing and weird dialogue
lucid glen
Watch this comment be from a circlejerk/irony sub or something
You will never see this take on any main SW subs
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Watch this comment be from a circlejerk/irony sub or something
It's not a star wars subreddit
"television"
The rest of the comments were ass
Hence my answer
white kindle
The character concepts and choreography were great but it was let down by medioc...
and people call the show the worst Star Wars
or I think they do
lament peak
Yeah people say its worse then bobf or kenobi💀
pseudo blade
imo it was on par with kenobi
but bobf was definitely worse lol
white kindle
Worse than the sequels?
pseudo blade
I don’t really think it’s fair to compare movies and shows
mint orbit
Based..
hot parrot
Worse than the sequels?
equaly bad. Bobf and Kenobi were built on already "established content". While the sequels and acolyte are supposed to be "brand new" star wars content. So it is supposed to be easier
but i think its even worse bcs Acolyte is the last one. They had already tons of shows giving them the do's and donts
so thats why we should bully them into oblivion
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How tf is it easier
Kenobi literally got carried by prequel build up
Boba Fett got carried by his name alone
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so thats why we should bully them into oblivion
Bullying has led us until the hole of Mando and Grogu and Filoni thrawn verse
So clearly it's not working
mint orbit
just about writing the thing
It's a lot harder there too
You have to introduce characters fresh instead of work off previous established work
hot parrot
I just dont understand how you go from Andor to Acolyte
Even if the audience or the themes are not the same
just quality wise
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Completely different teams focusing on completely different things
hot parrot
Yeah
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It's really not hard to understand
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Haven't you yourself said Leslie has no tenure or portfolio lol
hot parrot
Yeah
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Where's tony has a lot
hot parrot
exactly
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Where's your consistent logic application tho
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Russian Doll.
hot parrot
what the fuck is russian doll omg
hot parrot
never fucking heard of it
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It's like when you find out the most subbed dude on twitch is a Spanish mf
You think "wtf I've never seen that"
Well it exists innit
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Can you try to understand my point or are you enjoying yourself
mint orbit
No. You know who had no right?
Deborah Chow
Yet I've never once heard you complain
I wonder why
Probably because it wasn't popular to complain about it
hot parrot
Bcs she didnt get exposed like a dummy like Leslie
Like i said earlier
that dumbfck press junket talking about gay star wars
she shot herself in the foot
Putting a target on her head
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Bcs she didnt get exposed like a dummy like Leslie
Lmao bro you just said what I said but in a cope way
hot parrot
Despite Kenobi being more about leia than kenobi somehow
hot parrot
Expose for me ?
It's marketing lmao
It's not my fault if its what disney decided to put forward to promote the show lmao
mint orbit
Bcs she didnt get exposed like a dummy like Leslie
.
I was pissed about Deborah chow getting an entire show just because she directed the Grogu episode since practically day 1 lol
hot parrot
Yeah, thats why people keep dunking on KK bcs something is clearly wrong in the leadership
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Yet she made all the good stuff too
hot parrot
Bcs thats what expected of her
Do you congratulate the chef everytime you go to the restaurant lmao ?
no
You eat, you pay.
And it's not like she is an independant producer with a low budget. That would deserve merits like Godzilla Minus One for example
She is working for Disney, the biggest media conglomerate in history, on one of the most famous and beloved franchise
OFC people are expecting the best
the same way people expected the best from Amazon on RoP
Thats why people are nitpicking so much
lucid glen
OFC people are expecting the best
Then they're fucking stupid
I don't know how many times I have to explain that SW has always been mediocre slop
hot parrot
Yeah and i said many times it doesnt have to be
wanna dance again
"Yeah im gonna spend billions on a franchise to keep it mediocre, thanks George !"
lucid glen
The expectation for it to be good when it hasn't for 40 years does not justify the disproportionate response of hate that Disney SW gets
lucid glen
It clearly is for you since you keep whingeing when every new show drops
Bro gets surprised every week
hot parrot
and again we have to differenciate between the unhinged mentally ill grifters and the honesty angry fans
Yeah bcs i got triggered by your consoomer mentality
lucid glen
Who says I'm paying 💀
hot parrot
based
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"Yeah im gonna spend billions on a franchise to keep it mediocre, thanks George ...
To create more quantity and diverse mainstream content that George trusted Kathleen with after decades of friendship along with the guy he trained high up the story team
You forget Lucas consistently pushed mid too
The only objectively good movie was the movie he was reeled in the most
And real movie makers were brought on
It was then never done again since
It amazes me that people bring up Lucas like he wouldn't want this for his franchise, he got more control and say than he ever expected tbh
Okay well he lacks the control he wishes for, but he also seems to enjoy the new content past his initial comments on the sequel movies
This was an interview from May 2024 afaik
This is interesting too lol, Lucas condemns the idiots making diversity an issue while also condemning those making it a huge thing
queen crypt
"television"
Tv subs are pretty good sometimes
mint orbit
Tv subs are pretty good sometimes
Rarely, anything that is a broad topic will usually be dogshit on Reddit imo
queen crypt
Rarely, anything that is a broad topic will usually be dogshit on Reddit imo
Any of the smaller subs are good because they don't have that filter bubble
Well not smaller star wars subs
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I can agree to that for sure (especially the star wars comment)
ivory sedge
Rarely, anything that is a broad topic will usually be dogshit on Reddit imo
the house of dragon subreddit turned into sour nitpicking and lack of media literacy and misogyny within a month
the posts get thousands of upvotes and theres always one top comment debunking the post, its really weird lol
same with the subreddit for the Bear