man this is star wars
#The Acolyte Spoilers
ivory sedge
yh i wish they showed hints of Osha's darkness before, but other than that i liked it
other than Sol's death it doesnt even really feel like darkside, more just like a force user who accepts their emotions
u must be smoking dandruff if you think theres no depth
hot parrot
it has as much depth as a kid's pool
ivory sedge
it has as much depth as a kid's pool
media literacy is dead and we(you) killed it
Sol alone could have essays written about him, im not even joking
hot parrot
enough with that buzzword
ivory sedge
the show is lacking in some areas, depth is not one of them
hot parrot
The show brought a lot of new and good things
episode 5 is one of the best star wars we had in decades
but the writting is really bad and the show feel really shallow
thats why there is so much debate about it
its very good and very bad
ivory sedge
tbh i think in a weird way, it whats on the surface thats lacking, the depth is well written. But the simpler details in each ep feel lacklustre
ivory sedge
but the writting is really bad and the show feel really shallow
i think the eps shouldve been longer, give things more time to breathe and be explained
hot parrot
i think the eps shouldve been longer, give things more time to breathe and be ex...
Yeah totally agree
ivory sedge
show dont tell works but sometimes you need to make things clear
7/10 for me, but probably my favourite Star wars show to experience
i want more stories outside of skywalker saga
hot parrot
its def better than ahsoka or kenobi for sure
ivory sedge
agree
hot parrot
at least the new setting help
ivory sedge
i enjoyed more than Andor, even though Andor is a much better show
like how i enjoy Infinity War more than the Godfather
ivory sedge
lmao thats one way of putting it
obsidian basin
i have a feeling season 2 will be better than season 1
it better fucking be
whole point of fleshing out the characters is so that we can actually care about them
lament peak
People that think acolyte fights are bad are nuts
Guys if you slow down the fake fight frame by frame it looks fake..
Yeah no shit!
languid ice
comparing acolyte to ahsoka fights is night and day
https://tenor.com/view/ahsoka-ahsoka-tano-anakin-skywalker-darth-vader-duel-gif-13912052717898750552
lean shard
damn hayden is running circles around her
like shes not even trying to strike his saber, hes doing 90% of the work
obsidian basin
that was anakin for you, hard offense, compare how their feet are moving
queen crypt
comparing acolyte to ahsoka fights is night and day
I swear there's like one good fight in ahsoka
languid ice
I swear there's like one good fight in ahsoka
theres like 2
Ahsoka vs baylon and anakin vs ahsoka
Rest is mid
queen crypt
Ahsoka vs Morgan
silver marsh
Ahsoka vs baylon and anakin vs ahsoka
Hayden carries that fight tbh
languid ice
Ahsoka vs Morgan
yea true
lucid glen
it has as much depth as a kid's pool
Still waiting for the day whatz realises that SW has never been and will never be on the same level as prestige television
The franchise is mid, why the fuck are you acting surprised when it produces a mid show?
hot parrot
Yeah why would i expect good and fleshed out content from ,check note a hundred year old entertainment company that earned around 90 billions in 2023
lucid glen
Yeah why would i expect good and fleshed out content from ,*check note* a hundre...
Newsflash the OT or prequels weren't particularly great either
I need you to get it through your skull that Star Wars has consistently been mid in terms of movies and shows ever since it was created. The OT was lauded because it was unique, but there are very real problems especially with the release of the special editions under Lucas
It's a kids franchise at its core with writing designed for kids
hot parrot
I understand that
But can you fucking understand
how it is unacceptable to have this mediocre of show
coming from Disney
We have cartoons already for kids
In th same year we had Shogun. Have you seen the difference in production quality ?
And both are coming from disney
lucid glen
coming from Disney
Lucasfilm makes the damn shows, Disney merely owns the company
coarse dirge
I hate this loser mindset
Oh yea it was shit so it has to keep being shit
Fuck outta here
Dumbest shit ive heard
Andor already proved we can have good shows
Hire better directors
mint orbit
Finally caught up
Lmao yet another "plot hole" fixed by simply waiting
Yoda is gonna get told that it's a fallen jedi. Thus the council doesn't think this is a genuine sith, just a "flawed man"
Enjoyed the finale, great choreography again. Enjoyed the twists, didn't fall flat. Kinda hated how Qimir felt like a shy eboy this episode and wasn't satisfied with the "who said I'm fair" in attempts to course correct that. Previous renditions of Qimir are simply more nuanced and compelling
I think I'll land the show at a 7 because it's far more consistent than dogshit like Kenobi or bobf or ahsoka
hidden lake
"Why would Venastra cover it up" it's a personal matter to her I guess
queen crypt
"Why would Venastra cover it up" it's a personal matter to her I guess
She probably doesn't want to admit to her mistakes
Half of it is her fault tbh
lucid glen
Fuck outta here
You think I don't want every show to be andor level quality? It's a PIPE DREAM, it's not gonna happen so I won't waste time nor energy complaining about every new show that comes
It has been 2 years already. Nothing has changed
mint orbit
You think I don't want every show to be andor level quality? It's a PIPE DREAM, ...
Didn't you know? You're an extremist Disney simp giving the hawk tuah to woke wars if you think the same thing of star wars you have for over a decade
How dare you have realistic expectations and find your personal enjoyment in a huge franchise with constant genre swaps and time jumps and retcons in out in out shake it all about
lucid glen
And calling it mid and moving on isn't enough, you have to grift and whine and ruthlessly tear apart every frame or writing decision, otherwise you're not a "true fan"
mint orbit
Even casual fans did it for acolyte
Moist critikal wanted to both say he usually never bothers with shit like this yet covered it in 3-4 videos whining and crying further descending in to bad faith the more you watch
hidden lake
We do deserve better but are in no position to expect it.
hot parrot
Not with that attitude
mint orbit
Why do we "deserve" better
Why can't they choose quantity over quality?
Who said that's the inherent wrong decision when everybody enjoying it should know it already?
It's like claiming wrestling is fake.. no shit, but it's still fun
You don't go to wrestling for S tier acting despite their entire job being physical acting
lucid glen
We do deserve better but are in no position to expect it.
Who is "we"
SW fans deserve nothing but the worst
lean shard
star wars fans clapping like seals when dave filoni does a cameo in his show but then complaining when theres a 12 second scene of darth plagueis in another show
jade pelican
I will not tolerate Father Plag slander
white kindle
lmao
silver marsh
Yknow hopefully they can hire better writers for S2
Conceptually this show is really good and the choreography looks great minus the goofy ahh slomo
lean shard
zeb in mando
aww you're sweet
plagueis in acolyte
HELLO HUMAN RESOURCES?
silver marsh
And the people who get maddest about the “lore breaking” know the least about the lore
obsidian basin
You think I don't want every show to be andor level quality? It's a PIPE DREAM, ...
silver marsh
I feel like I hold half my SW opinions solely because they make people mad
white kindle
Lmao
queen crypt
Didn't you know? You're an extremist Disney simp giving the hawk tuah to woke wa...
This hurt to read 😭
queen crypt
We do deserve better but are in no position to expect it.
We don't
queen crypt
I feel like I hold half my SW opinions solely because they make people mad
Right when are we getting tales of the separatists and tales of the sith
mint orbit
This hurt to read 😭
hot parrot
Im glad nobody applied that deadbrain logic to Dune for example
"Im sorry Denis but we can't let you make a good movie. You see all Dune adaptation has been shit so it would be a PIPE DREAM for audience to expect anything good from you"
silver marsh
Yea saying good SW is a pipe dream when we have proof it’s possible via Andor is silly
Like it or not the bar has been raised
Especially coming from Disney/LFL, the single most wealthy entertainment company in the world
mint orbit
*"Im sorry Denis but we can't let you make a good movie. You see all Dune adapta...
And how many previous iterations have there been of dune?
I'd love to hear the numbers compared
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 37 bajillion titles in a row, I'm regarded
hot parrot
Yeah ofc sw had more tries than dune but my point is just that fact that we can and should expect good product from Disney.
I just regret that legitimate criticisms cant be heard between the shills and the grifters noise
mint orbit
And we get it tbh
Just not as much as you want
Which is pretty entitled imo if there's a lot for different walks of life to enjoy
Rogue One, Mando S1, Bad Batch S2 PT 2, Andor are all really compelling silver screen
Check when they all released and that's pretty evenly distributed
It's okay to only watch star wars when that happens. You take what you want from star wars. But stop trying to mold star wars around you. This is why you will always get pushback.
The reason star wars is such a strong property is because it's NOT every other franchise. To expect the filmmaking standard is to completely misunderstand the point of star wars since day 1
lucid glen
Yea saying good SW is a pipe dream when we have proof it’s possible via Andor is...
Then where are the good shows hm?
It's been 2 years
Saying it's possible because andor was possible is being ignorant of the circumstances surrounding andor's creation
silver marsh
Then where are the good shows hm?
Don’t ask me I don’t run lucasfilm
lucid glen
It was always made with an adult audience in mind, and SW is a kid's franchise so you will vastly see kids shows
silver marsh
They can do better, we know they can do better, they know they can do better
silver marsh
It was always made with an adult audience in mind, and SW is a kid's franchise s...
TCW was a kids show but it was well written
silver marsh
Have we reached the point in Filoni revisionism where we are shitting on TCW now
lucid glen
I like how you wanted more andor-level quality and then gave TCW as an example
silver marsh
It doesn’t have to be Andor level but they can try harder
lucid glen
It does fine as a kids show but it might be the most glaring example of a "show made for kids" than anything I could ever have given
So thanks for doing my job for me ig
lucid glen
It doesn’t have to be Andor level but they can try harder
Bro moved the goalposts
silver marsh
I’m saying that we don’t have to make excuses for the multibillion dollar company failing to hire good writers
lucid glen
If your standards of "good writing" amounts to TCW then I'm amazed you're complaining in the first place 💀
You should've loved Ahsoka
lucid glen
Like I said it does fine as a kids show which is what it was intended to be. Not bashing it because of that. But it is nowhere near the "good writing" that the fanbase apparently wants
silver marsh
It’s not all good but the better arcs are top tier SW
lucid glen
Yeah if SW is known to be mid and corny as hell then those episodes are indeed top tier SW
silver marsh
lucid glen
Maul Mandalore arc
silver marsh
Good day to you boss man
lucid glen
One of the mandalore arcs was great but I don't think it's the maul one 💀
Satine gave a compelling alternate perspective on what mandalorian culture could be as a departure from the previous warmongering one
lucid glen
I’m saying that we don’t have to make excuses for the multibillion dollar compan...
Where were the good writers for the prequels BTW
No disney to blame for that one eh
mint orbit
I didn’t get the memo that we thought TCW was shitty now
Bombad Jedi Vs andors worst episode
Is simple maths
silver marsh
Good day to you too boss man
mint orbit
Ez
lucid glen
TCW giving bad batch a run for its money in being jarringly inconsistent
mint orbit
Bad Batch got to start with everything learnt already
TCW has so many teething issues
hidden lake
Bad Batch got to start with everything learnt already
How embarrassing. At least the animation is amazing
mint orbit
All I'm gonna say is that it's crazy you can defend TLJ so hard and talk about Andor raising the bar despite ESB and Rogue One existing. The logic just ain't consistent
lucid glen
Rogue one on its own isn't a great film either it just looks amazing compared to the ones we got 💀
mint orbit
Like when have we ever got this much first party content for star wars? When have we got stuff this experimental? This unique? Who says it needs to be compelling cinema when it's just trying to expand for everyone
I really do not understand why that is such a crime of a decision
You can enjoy quantity over quality, especially with TV. A lot of people like CSI for years instead of shows dying at 2 seasons
You don't like it, fuck off. Nobody asked you mfs to stay 😭
lucid glen
Fr I was glad acolyte existed before a single second aired because it meant a new era to explore with new characters and a fresh setting
And at the end of the day, you are gonna remember the amazing choreography and cool shit Acolyte did five years from now
mint orbit
Yeah and we got to explore:
- Alternatives means of using the force / different names / different perspectives
- vergence
- one force being split in to two
- manipulating birth
- unique ways a sith will fight to survive
- some origins for Plageuis being set up
- unarmed jedi combat
- interesting ways to use force magic (mind control was cool)
- Cortosis.
- sensory deprivation helmet designed for the force
Uhhh what else
I just don't want them to retread ground. I want to have reasons for things existing and so far I have got that. I will not deny the slop is getting sloppier but I will deny that star wars is suddenly asking for a higher level of suspended disbelief
lucid glen
The wookiee jedi throwing his teammates around was pretty neat
mint orbit
Yes! Wookiee jedi + him fighting
lucid glen
Also a more in-depth look into the flawed thinking of the jedi during this time period. I'm not saying it was masterpiece writing or whatever but there are clear arguments for both the witches and the Jedi
So it's less clear-cut and morally grey
mint orbit
No I agree, sol was somewhat unique ground to cover
He believes he is virtuous and it clearly gives him resolve
But in reality, he's done horrible things that do not justify the end
lucid glen
At first he's got a point and will resonate strongly with people who grew up with expectations forced onto them by parents, and yearned for something like the jedi where they could be whatever they wanted
But his methods turned out to not be so good
mint orbit
He's also a good example why the jedi shy away from emotions and attachment so hard
Because sol happens
lucid glen
Yeah I should probably watch the final ep to find out what happens to him
mint orbit
P solid finale. Didn't fall flat on its face imo which is all I needed
Some mystery shows totally fudge it in the last stretch
lucid glen
As long as I get another qimir nude scene I'll be happy
mint orbit
Just a romantic scene ofc
But ngl Qimir was my biggest issue in the episode. They dropped a line or two in attempts to act like he's not being different but he feels a lil off idk
ivory sedge
So what is Vernestra gonna tell Yoda
I think she'll say that her padawan lives
Qimir survives even though she tried to kill him or incapacitate him with her whip
hot parrot
Ligma has survived
ivory sedge
New update: Ligma has been added to the server
Qimir bf2 mod when?
He better be a kylo skin
mortal reef
I think he'd also be a good Maul skin
queen crypt
What do star wars fans even want
Tales of the empire was good and well written but it was hated on
The acolyte was made with a non star wars audience in mind because they know they can't please the fans
ivory sedge
Honestly it felt like it was made with fans of the extended lore in mind
I just argued with some redditor who said Yoda was pure fanservice and that it adds nothing to narrative
Either stupid because of hate or just an utter fool
mint orbit
They'd also cry that Yoda didn't show up and say "obviously someone would tell Yoda, why didn't you just have a short scene with him!!"
hidden lake
You can never win
mint orbit
Thing
Thing, acolyte
fickle tide
Yoda knew about the Sith in the previous continuity as well lol, infact it was even more aggregious then imo
The Dark Jedi of the era basically laid it out for the council and they ignored it
lament peak
The jedi are all morons!
lament peak
Dooku could tell obi wan sidious is palpatine and he'd ignore it
lean shard
wait hold on...
queen crypt
Honestly it felt like it was made with fans of the extended lore in mind
That too
ivory sedge
Thing
Thing, acolyte
Thing
Thing in China
Like on videos of some people from China dancing, all the comments were calling them soulless puppets for the ccp and government control etc
Mad ting
Anyway thank you for coming to my Ted talk
queen crypt
Like on videos of some people from China dancing, all the comments were calling ...
Fr Chinese people can't just exist
lament zephyr
Bad Batch got to start with everything learnt already
Like sushi for food on Pabu instead of “space chicken and waffles” from the Satine ‘Voyage of Temptation’ and Rebels' 'Iron Squadron(?)' episodes.
Y’all read the High Republic books at all?
If you guys appreciate the new species (sentient and non), planets, interpretations of the Force, failure/flaws of the Jedi, etc
Y’all would really appreciate the books too
mint orbit
Like sushi for food on Pabu instead of “space chicken and waffles” from the Sati...
I think you just stunlocked me with your nerdy prowess
lament zephyr
warped python
F in the chat for Pip
lucid glen
Y’all read the High Republic books at all?
I'm sure they're good but the EU is of a higher priority
I still need to read NJO in its entirety
High republic isn't going anywhere
mint orbit
I asked some casual fans, and they like acolyte. They agree that it's a bit better than Ahsoka
Seems it's definitely just a fan bomb fandom menace type shit
At worst it's like a 5
lean shard
the acolyte has one thing that a lot of the live action shows have been lacking recently
and thats soul
it has a heart
its not corporate mandated "give a show to a popular character" or "this season is dedicated to setting up a movie in the future"
ivory sedge
very good point, this show feels so refreshing and charming
not perfect but fun
like a body massage in mud
full body even
lean shard
its made by someone who has a deep love for the franchise
ivory sedge
indeed, not just love for the characters, but the universe itself
lean shard
and specifically the entire universe, including the EU
ivory sedge
slowly starting to realise the Acolyte is technically fan fiction
lean shard
not their own version of the universe which is just their own works cough filoni cough
oh it 100% is ngl
leslie literally casted her own wife in it lol
ivory sedge
imma be honest, i dont mind the acting for Vernestra
like it feels like thats part of the character
Uptight, proud, but also hiding a lot and putting on a neutral face to hide emotions
in a way
but i understand that her character in books is super different so some people are complaining
lean shard
the books were also 100 years ago
but still leslie gets to make her own canon fanfiction with a $180mil budget and the backing of disney
meanwhile, as a comparison, SWT's vader series is fucking shit
mint orbit
its made by someone who has a deep love for the franchise
ERRRRM ARE YOU LITERALLY CONDONING WEINSTEIN?????
-some mfs
queen crypt
imma be honest, i dont mind the acting for Vernestra
Was that a complaint?
I thought it was good
ivory sedge
Was that a complaint?
yh some peeople on reddit and youtube said her acting was shit. To me it felt like a purposeful performance, like its meant to be more muted, less expressive like Severus Snape
ivory sedge
meanwhile, as a comparison, SWT's vader series is fucking shit
solution: give swt 180 million dollars
what could possibly go wrong
queen crypt
yh some peeople on reddit and youtube said her acting was shit. To me it felt li...
Yeah exactly
But I don't expect reddit and youtube comments to be truthful
mint orbit
Viewing figures will show how little they matter
fickle tide
lament zephyr
queen crypt
"Secretly"
sour goblet
Twitter
broken turret
“NOOOO NOO it’s bad and it’s not getting a second season… because it’s not getting a second season okay??”
ivory sedge
https://x.com/RottenTomatoes/status/1816080966877684049
Disney paying for bot watches again smh so silly
languid ice
https://x.com/RottenTomatoes/status/1816080966877684049
Not that high of a bar
obsidian basin
“NOOOO NOO it’s bad and it’s not getting a second season… because it’s not getti...
lucid glen
That concept art armour for mae looked fucking sick
I get why they didn't do that tho, you needed to see her face
fickle tide
ivory sedge
Mog Wars
coarse dirge
I have no name. But the Jedi like you might call me… Mogger
turbid solar
Yo that actually goes hard
obsidian basin
“oyiii ‘omelandah phucked me woife n stole mi son ay-
starlight : 0:24
mint orbit
Actually a surprisingly well written article lol
Debunks all those times fans cried way too fast in one neat package
hot parrot
"haters"
mint orbit
Yup
The people making up bullshit to hate on it
Haters
Not the people with genuine criticisms
white kindle
Ya
queen crypt
"haters"
Yeah I mean the word hater does get overused but like acolyte was hated on too much
With a lot of dumb nitpicks
hot parrot
People were on edge bcs of past failure, i can understand that. Otherwise the rest is just the usual grifters. So making an article to debunk trolls, i mean man who cares
and even if the article is "right", it's still a bad show so whats the point
it's like im writing an article that debunk the nitpicking on Morbius
mint orbit
What a dogshit bad faith comparison
ivory sedge
and even if the article is "right", it's still a bad show so whats the point
subjectively or objectively bad
mint orbit
He thinks objectively
mint orbit
Because star wars fans are incapable of admitting opinions
It has to be factual
Even if reality needs moulded
ivory sedge
im yet to hear someone say "its not for me"
mint orbit
Right???
ivory sedge
it must always be the most exaggeratted statement they can think of
mint orbit
Anytime I hear it, I practically start glazing them
ivory sedge
lmaoooo
mint orbit
it must always be the most exaggeratted statement they can think of
Skeleton Crew is gonna be a great example
It's so clearly a kids adventure show
And mfs judging it critically for mature writing
ivory sedge
i was literally just typing this
theyll still call it goofy and a mockery
the art of good faith criticism is unfortunately rare now
mint orbit
People were on edge bcs of past failure, i can understand that. Otherwise the re...
It's just meant to be a collection of information that was built up episode over episode. It's some dogshit website with horrible ads and you're out here trynna make it a big deal just so you can unmake it a big deal
lament peak
Acolyte is bad because i wasn't paying attention
turbid solar
Seriously tho what was disney thinking releasing such garbage
They shoulda known wed all hate it
turbid solar
True it wasnt THAT bad its a nice sandwich with some chips and a soda pop
Nothing like a 5 star michellin meal tho
mint orbit
Bro came to McDonald's for a Michelin meal
Bro needs a tyre man to tell him where to eat
hot parrot
Thats the main issue here. Some of you don’t believe actual good star wars could exist
And so far, sadly, you are right
mint orbit
What the fuck is blud fabricating about
hot parrot
"Bro came to McDonald's for a Michelin meal"
hot parrot
Is that a serious question
hot parrot
are you actually asking a french man is mcdonalds can be better than a michelin
are you for real
mint orbit
Well you're the one that needed an analogy to be hyper realistic
mint orbit
Because nuance is not your strong suit
.
hot parrot
how the fuck can they throw so hard on 80% of their productions
mint orbit
Whatz would you agree the sequels has super fans
hot parrot
Yes but it's not a debate about taste or liking
mint orbit
Would you agree rebels has super fans
lean shard
i would
hot parrot
It's about the fact that most disney production are absolutely dogshit from a technical point of view
mint orbit
Would you agree that star wars is capable of well produced media in terms of the general landscape of cinema?
hot parrot
Yes it possible
lean shard
cardoor pfp is smarter than rebels superfans
mint orbit
They do.
hot parrot
oh for fuck sake
hot parrot
Mando S1 would be the closest yeah
hidden lake
Bad bad
hot parrot
New setting, new characters, new VFX practices
But it lasted 1 season
then we got the bobf
mint orbit
So why do they have to constantly do that? I just don't understand when a franchise will have this much content why it shouldn't cater to the large amount of divides in the star wars interests
This is a gimmick franchise
It should have gimmicks that you like or don't like
mint orbit
Again. Acolyte doesnt cater to a specific audience
Bad faith grifter
hot parrot
Yeah Rebels or Bad Batch is for specific audience, I agree with that
mint orbit
We were so close to a good discussion
hidden lake
Again. Acolyte doesnt cater to a specific audience
It caters to people who like laser swords
hot parrot
and still decent production
hidden lake
Like how Andor caters to people who like political thrillers
hot parrot
but Acolyte is straight up trash
The main character is worst part of the show, that saying something about it
mint orbit
Whatz what is your experience with the high republic prior to acolyte?
hidden lake
It caters to people who like laser swords
Ok that's a blunt way to say it
hot parrot
None
hot parrot
ITS BAD
How the writing has anything to do
with knowing about the high republic
how Osha acting
hot parrot
Jesus christ
again
its like blaming someone for disliking Suicide Squad because he isnt a book turbonerd
mint orbit
That's the most bad faith argument you've made in months
hot parrot
Acolyte is bad , because the writing is bad, the setting is bad, the characters are mostly bad; the acting is mostly awfull
hot parrot
Not because people are not used to high republic era
mint orbit
You just have a hate erection
mint orbit
Acolyte writing is no worse than the usual star wars
Better than ahsoka
Better than kenobi
Destroys bobf
Hell it even beats solo
hot parrot
Why cant we have fucking tier 1 production on a star wars show
Like true detective tier
mint orbit
You got it and continued crying for more
You are insatiable
Hence why the higher ups ignore the fans now
Well done
mint orbit
Yes me shitting on Mando non stop any chance I can and calling acolyte nothing special
That's why people quit star wars immediately
Dumbass
hot parrot
The same year Acolyte came out. We had like Shogun or Ripley
watch these fucking shows
see the difference
mint orbit
Completely different wtf
hot parrot
One is made by disney the other by netflix
But nooooo
we have to deal with weinstein padawan
mint orbit
Omg they're making batman brave and the bold same year as things like breaking bad!
That's how bullshit you sound
lean shard
we have to deal with weinstein padawan
hot parrot
you cant believe in tier1 star wars
mint orbit
Bro just copies my material 🤣
"here's how you're proving my point"
"Well actually it proves MY point"
What do you think would happen to the spirit of star wars if they hired exclusively people who don't care much for the star wars IP but could produce shows of quality to Andor?
Do you think that's better than hiring fans to make slop?
hot parrot
All im asking is competent people
hot parrot
I dont care about the setting, the character, the story. I just want good and decent product
mint orbit
Rian Johnson
hot parrot
So i dont have to cringe at every line
hidden lake
All im asking is competent people
No you're asking for a 5 star gourmet
hot parrot
Yeah well, thats not much asking from a multibillions company right ?
mint orbit
Oh ffs
hot parrot
Im not asking for every show to be 5 stars
But acolyte, yeah i expected the best knowing the ambition of the show itself
hot parrot
I just want the shotcaller to be fired
whoever it is
like the person who greenlighted Hayland
hot parrot
Yeah but knowing what we had to suffer throught to get these 2 good thing
mint orbit
You didn't have to suffer through any of it whatz
lean shard
smh more like anbore
mint orbit
You could watch those shows you fanboy over
mint orbit
smh more like anbore
I bet Andor had fires in space too cuz it's bad and not star wars!!!!
hot parrot
You could watch those shows you fanboy over
Yes. I paid for TFA and TLJ
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https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-hero-starman-superman-gif-56705629361535...
Watch a fan edit that cuts out all the horseshit
hot parrot
I had to suffer through leia flying in space on the big screen
mint orbit
God that makes me so happy honestly
hot parrot
my body temperature actually raised bcs of the cringe
mint orbit
Im starting to love how many nerd rage's come from that for no reason other than dogshit cgi
mint orbit
my body temperature actually raised bcs of the cringe
HAHAHAHAHA amazing
Cute neckbeard rage moment
hot parrot
I could imagine the embarassing writer room clapping their hand over this scene
hidden lake
I had to suffer through leia flying in space on the big screen
Oh come on you could've at least said the dumb ass Kiss or the canto bight scenes
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Nah he's a day 1 hater
hot parrot
Nah, it was worst part of the sequel for me
mint orbit
Never updated the info
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TFAs worst crime was lacking sauce
hot parrot
TLJ was too much for me to handle
hot parrot
Yeah
mint orbit
I think Rian Johnson should've had the trilogy and ran it. JJ had clearly zero unique ideas to throw at it
Rian is at least creative
Whether it's shit or not
hot parrot
Agreed
I mean i dislike the sequels but i fully accept they didnt have a real chance with the bullshit behind the scene
mint orbit
I only defend their right to be mid or rewatchable
I know they're weaker lol
But the prequels lowered my bar entirely
lean shard
then thats hypocritical
mint orbit
How
lean shard
She should be in jail
for what crime
mint orbit
He thinks she's guaranteed to be an accomplice
hot parrot
for what crime
And then Disney try to lecture me about feminism
what a colossal joke lmao
mint orbit
We love slander based on conjecture
lean shard
and do you not think that leslie would have been questioned about that?
mint orbit
Yup
lean shard
and, if there was evidence against her, jailed for it?
mint orbit
In a court of law that's conjecture
hot parrot
Want me to drop the articles again about how everyone knew ?
lean shard
ok so explain to us how leslie isnt jailed then
hot parrot
I can't
lean shard
if shes supposedly so guilty about it
mint orbit
Likely to have known =/= criminally chargeable
hot parrot
I would get instantly ban from this discord
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QAnon moment
hot parrot
Nah
lean shard
hot parrot
Just the usual anti-semitism
mint orbit
Bro continues to be the strawman I make him out to be
hot parrot
Its hollywood i mean
lean shard
leslie has more pull and friends in hollywood to get away with it than harvey weinstien
hot parrot
Harvey was burned
mint orbit
Yes I'm very familiar with the conspiracy theorists ways
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Quotes not tied to Leslie and funny Wikipedia scrolls
Because of checks notes jews
What a DEADLY point you're putting across
lean shard
star wars fans when they learn that "criminal investigation" and "court trial" does not result in what they want
white kindle
Acolyte is bad , because the writing is bad, the setting is bad, the characters ...
provide reasons those were bad
mint orbit
star wars fans when they learn that "criminal investigation" and "court trial" d...
He doesn't even want to go to trial, bro wants to raid her house RIGHT NOW
hot parrot
Nah it was something by a former worker saying "after working for harvey you either go into the social helping people or you end up with the people running hollywood
lean shard
i meant in the past
lean shard
there is no way she wouldnt have been investigated when harvey was investigated/charged himself
mint orbit
What?
mint orbit
Yeah no this is tin foil hat shit
hot parrot
?
white kindle
and I only just got to this part of the convo
hot parrot
Wanna talk about Woody Allen marrying his adopted daughter ?
lean shard
my guy, harvey was arrested and charged for his crimes
hot parrot
It's not even high tier conspiracy anymore lmao
mint orbit
Few dozen actors and directors and producers go down and suddenly all of Jew Hollywood goes down...
hot parrot
If it's too much for you , alright i'll shut up
lean shard
i knew it
tom cruise really is the best actor in hollywood
mint orbit
Too much is certainly a way to put it
white kindle
damn
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i knew it
tom cruise really is the best actor in hollywood
Shame he's one of the shittiest people in hollywood
Duality of man
white kindle
I lose brain cells every time I see the name Weinstein said in relation to this show
lean shard
nah hes just a scientologist
otherwise hes cool
mint orbit
Well, more his ideals than his personality
lean shard
dude actually saving cinema ngl
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I lose brain cells every time I see the name Weinstein said in relation to this ...
The show is bad because Leslie should be in jail
🧠
hidden lake
I lose brain cells every time I see the name Weinstein said in relation to this ...
And nobody would care if she didn't direct a star wars show
lean shard
ill ask a simple question, i just need an answer
harvey was investigated, tried and found guilty for his crimes
white kindle
@hot parrot what makes the Acolyte bad?
lean shard
if leslie "totally knew" or whatever, would she not have been investigated, tried and found guilty too as an accessory?
hot parrot
House of cards
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But muh Jew Hollywood
lean shard
just answer the question
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He is memesoon
hot parrot
Yes she should have
lean shard
Yes she should have
so, why wasnt she?
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YOU GUYS ALL SUCK AT DEBATING!!!!!
lean shard
yes
white kindle
idek what the situation is with Weinstein
mint orbit
Damn no more chadmiral thrawn cuz nitro
hot parrot
Because if you start investigating , you cant stop it. And major figures in Hollywood would be caught
like major agents for example
producers, directors, etc
white kindle
lmao okay
hot parrot
So they rather just burn Harvey
white kindle
like who?
hot parrot
and be done with it
mint orbit
I did start investigating and started laughing halfway through
Then watched a couple morons struggle to defend it against someone who knew better
Never thought of it again
hot parrot
CAA should have been shut down, knowing they pushed young actress in weinstein arms many times
but its the biggest agency in LA
white kindle
huh
hot parrot
representing the biggest stars
lean shard
OR, what happened was this
leslie was investigated and no evidence showed she knew anything, and wasnt charged with anything
lean shard
so you agree shes innocent then
hot parrot
6 years and she did nothing
lean shard
wasnt it 2
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I'd love whatz to address the fact a serial abuser like this would day 1 think that their assistant not knowing anything about abuse is a fucking amazing alibi
And clearly it worked if so
hot parrot
wasnt it 2
Bro, can you take like 5 min and read some interviews with former workers ?
lean shard
"leslie, book these actresses for me to assault for 2pm please"
hot parrot
‘He was a manipulative bully. He would mimic people when he was shouting at them. We were all adults, but made to feel 17’
Sometimes he’d scream at you in front of someone you respected, and it bothers me to this day that they'd let it pass
‘A colleague came into the office one day, saying, “Call the police, Harvey just attacked me!” That was probably his last day’
lean shard
ok cool, but he was not tried for assault and battery
hot parrot
You got like 15 articles
mint orbit
You realize violence and sexual violence are completely different right?
lean shard
^
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Someone could be physically violent all their life and never sexually abuse someone. Or do it just once. Court is about proving intent and beyond a reasonable doubt. If the years matter as much as you say, that's an easy reasonable doubt
lean shard
"leslie i want to fuck some actresses, book them in for 5pm please"
is how leslie haters sound ngl
mint orbit
You've had to fabricate an entire false narrative just to keep that from becoming true in your brain
Crazy to see
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Here we go again
hot parrot
Like its crazy how you cant admit it
hidden lake
You've had to fabricate an entire false narrative just to keep that from becomin...
And he wouldn't care if she didn't direct a decent star wars show
hot parrot
depsite all of the evidence
mint orbit
There's a difference between knowing Weinstein is creepy and pushy and proving he's a psychopathic r**ist
hot parrot
epic
white kindle
You realize that everyone knew about him
how are we sure they knew about him SAing actresses?
lean shard
hold on i have a bit of a opptopic question
hot parrot
im tired
hot parrot
how are we sure they knew about him SAing actresses?
Bcs everyone was making joke
it was known
lean shard
whatz, what do you think of leslie casting her wife in the acolyte?
mint orbit
depsite all of the evidence
it's crazy you can't admit it, despite all the lack of evidence
hot parrot
Cringe
white kindle
it was known
where's the proof people knew?
lean shard
so do you agree that jon favearu casting a bunch of his friends in the mandalorian is cringe too?
mint orbit
There is none
hot parrot
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Nobody knew for sure back then. There was like 3 people who genuinely knew
hot parrot
2 0 0 5
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Everybody just knew he was always pushy and creepy and to not be in a room alone with him
Huge difference between what we know about him now
white kindle
yeah
lean shard
only people who knew were hom and the actresses themselves
hot parrot
Everybody just knew he was always pushy and creepy and to not be in a room alone...
hahahahah
fucking clueless
white kindle
there's a difference between creepy and being a predator
mint orbit
And I didn't research this last year with confirmation bias btw
I was still in school researching that shit
So don't step to me lil bro 💅
I watched that courtley love video 2-3 years after it came out
mint orbit
Nobody knew for sure back then. There was like 3 people who genuinely knew
I do wanna say tho, "like 3" was a gross understatement lol
lean shard
leslie bad because person she worked with turned out to be a creep
mint orbit
Thing
Thing, Acolyte
white kindle
I wouldn't be surprised if all of this is because she's a lesbian
mint orbit
It would be the trans stuff first
Hard right wingers assume trans people are sexual abusers
lean shard
I wouldn't be surprised if all of this is because she's a lesbian
oh it kinda is
some people are homophobic but dont wanna be deplatformed
so they find another reason to hate her
white kindle
genuinely, is there any real info towards Headland's involvement in this whole business?
mint orbit
This is where the "not liking rey is sexist" shit came from btw
Some genuinely were so people got paranoid
Then started accusing everyone
hot parrot
genuinely, is there any real info towards Headland's involvement in this whole b...
Nobody said she was directly involved but the fact that she stayed there for 6 years enabling him just for the sake her career is awfull
hidden lake
genuinely, is there any real info towards Headland's involvement in this whole b...
Only speculation
hot parrot
She should just be banned from hollywood
mint orbit
A year
lean shard
for what?
hot parrot
Look at Spacey
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She was his PA for a year
hot parrot
6 years
hidden lake
So which is it
lean shard
Look at Spacey
the beloved call of duty villain kevin spacey?
hidden lake
One year or Six
hot parrot
the beloved call of duty villain kevin spacey?
Yeah , everybody knew about it, same shit
white kindle
Yeah , everybody knew about it, same shit
you say everyone knew but never provide any solid evidence towards this
hot parrot
you say everyone knew but never provide any solid evidence towards this
Yes she worked for him for extended period of time
mint orbit
you say everyone knew but never provide any solid evidence towards this
Because it was literally all hearsay. You ask any of these people to testify it in court and they will never speak to you again
hot parrot
Bdhc, you british bro ?
Im pretty sure in your country you must have some famous guys but unfamously known for his vices
white kindle
Yes she worked for him for extended period of time
towards the fact that everyone knew
Australian
lean shard
Im pretty sure in your country you must have some famous guys but unfamously kno...
jimmy saville
hot parrot
Yes
mint orbit
Fuck the BBC
lean shard
BBC covered it up
mint orbit
Degenerate scum
white kindle
I don't know of any such people off the top of my head
mint orbit
I'm glad their funds are slowly drying up the ugly fucking door knocking elderly scaring TWATS
Whoops the Irish came out
lean shard
oi m8 you got a tv loicense?
white kindle
oi m8 you got a tv loicense?
this supposed to be an Aussie accent?
lean shard
no
lean shard
bri'ish
mint orbit
That was definitely bri ish yea lol
white kindle
yea
lean shard
nepotism, mandalorian (good)
nepotism, acolyte (bad)
lean shard
like all of jon favearus friends lol
white kindle
hey guys did you know that a Tarantino film is produced by the Weinstein Company?
hot parrot
all tarantino films
lean shard
LoTR too
hot parrot
Weinstein actually produced tons of banger movies
He was actually a really passionated guy
white kindle
so shouldn't we boycott him for that?
hot parrot
despite his others activities
mint orbit
Weinstein actually produced tons of banger movies
Also ruined others for no fucking reason
lean shard
blackrock ruined hollywood smh
mint orbit
And some of his producer tips during development was dogshit
white kindle
I think nepotism happens a lot
hot parrot
Weinstein didn't like dogma
Now its pretty much only this
hot parrot
Thats why i respected Hughie actor from the boys when he accepted it
wise star
Everything does
mint orbit
Thats why i respected Hughie actor from the boys when he accepted it
Yeah and he wasn't wrong.. he IS a good actor in his own right
hot parrot
Yeah , but it felt nice to finally see one accept it and own it
mint orbit
Nepo is fine imo if they're also definitely capable
But just hiring cuz friends is L
Chemistry is important for art too
wise star
Yeah didn't he do an interview where he said "yeah I am but I'm also a fucking good actor"? (Paraphrasing)
mint orbit
Do you think Mel saw his redemption coming in the form of one man
white kindle
@hot parrot again, what made Acolyte so bad?
hidden lake
He said what
hot parrot
<@183691728463593481> again, what made Acolyte so bad?
First and foremost the main character. She is a very mediocre actress and the character is pointless
mint orbit
He said what
Oh god...
white kindle
fair point
wise star
The only person I cared to know more about was the bad guy
hot parrot
Mel is immortal
white kindle
the actress seemed okay
lean shard
hey remember when people took the out of context interview clip of her saying that the intention was to make white people cry or something?
and the interview was about a WW2 movie lol
white kindle
the character on the other hand...
wise star
I thought it was good the first few episodes but I lost interested in that one episode where it was pretty much a copy paste of like episode 3 or something just from anpther perspective but didn't add anything except like 2 scenes
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Wot
wise star
Wot
hidden lake
<@488499897465831425> Search that article
Jesus christ
mint orbit
All for nothing
hot parrot
the character on the other hand...
But the show is absolutely worth it for Qimir
wise star
Me?
mint orbit
Yea u
wise star
I watched it all
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O
white kindle
But the show is absolutely worth it for Qimir
I would so post the Qimir gif if I had permissions
white kindle
Bro stopped before episode 5
that's ep 7 he's talking about
wise star
No I mean you know when we saw how that Jedi guy took Osha
We got 2 episodes about that
white kindle
Cuz it was unveiling it slowly?
this ^
hot parrot
nobody care who killed who
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Yeah slow unveils episode by episode in a mystery show is pointless
white kindle
that's literally the whole point of the show
hot parrot
there is no mystery
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Thank god you're not a Jew and can't enter Hollywood
white kindle
🤦♂️
lean shard
star wars fans complaoning when someone does something different and not run of the mill cameo slop
hot parrot
whats the mystery ?
mint orbit
How you got this dumb
wise star
No I'm saying why did we need two non consecutive episodes about the same event
hidden lake
whats the mystery ?
"What really happened on that day, and who was at fault"
hot parrot
And it matter because ?
wise star
It was like, we saw it at the start of the season why do a flashback episode in a seasom of like 8 episodes
hot parrot
Like you finish the show
what did you learn that you didnt know at episode like 2 or 3 ?
mint orbit
Because the same event from different perspectives yield different results? More opportunities to explore character moments? Fleshen out motives? Set up intrigue? Things we didn't see before?
white kindle
because it was relevant to the two main characters and when they find out it completely changes them
mint orbit
Why must I teach you how to consume media
lean shard
media literacy
hidden lake
what did you learn that you didnt know at episode like 2 or 3 ?
Are you fucking serious.
hot parrot
Its just super blend
mint orbit
You watch high brow shows so you can feel high brow clearly
hot parrot
lmao
white kindle
we learn quite a lot in ep 7
wise star
Because the same event from different perspectives yield different results? More...
Yeah maybe, but I feel all we learned was the Jedi guy killed their mum, didn't need a whole episode for that
white kindle
i.e., Sol's reasonings
mint orbit
I called it nothing special whatz
lean shard
You watch high brow shows so you can feel high brow clearly
unironcially what SWT thinks of andor enjoyers
mint orbit
For the third time
wise star
That's what my feelings were about the episode anyway
hot parrot
I called it nothing special whatz
yeah okay fair enough, my bad
mint orbit
Yeah maybe, but I feel all we learned was the Jedi guy killed their mum, didn't ...
What? That was a huge moment and it was shocking...? It was like the final domino falling
white kindle
agreed
hidden lake
What? That was a huge moment and it was shocking...? It was like the final domin...
It did look goofy though
lean shard
leslie understands star wars and how its created more than most people, including dave filoni
people hate her for it
white kindle
we think for a majority of the show that Sol is the good guy and that Mae killed the witches
mint orbit
It did look goofy though
I don't agree but I can see why you think it
white kindle
then there's the plot twist and it changes our views of him drastically
lean shard
acolyte bad because woke
hot parrot
She was a child
mint orbit
We know the jedi are at fault from the begining
Bro watches the show with bad faith mode engaged
hot parrot
So knowing who EXACTLY killed them doesnt matter
white kindle
we know the Jedi are at fault in a way
wise star
What? That was a huge moment and it was shocking...? It was like the final domin...
Yeah of course, that part was, but we didn't need a whole episode to show it when we already knew everything else that happened since they showed it in another episode
hot parrot
Yeah he killed her because she started turning into smoke; Understandable
So whats the point ? The jedi were right ?
mint orbit
So knowing who EXACTLY killed them doesnt matter
So you're saying at the end of breaking bad we didn't need to see Walter kill the club of Nazi's? We knew he was going to do it all episode.
hot parrot
what
white kindle
bro
lean shard
he killed them offscreen
white kindle
I hate Acolyte haters
white kindle
they make arguments that are so dumb that it dumbs me down to their level and I can't respond properly
hot parrot
Bcs we are all arguing about a bad product
mint orbit
Decent*
hot parrot
so obviously everything is dumb
wise star
Like, sure show that scene as a reveal later on, but Osha put the mask on for a cliffhanger that I was interested in then I had to wait 2 weeks for it to carry on because the week after I had to re-see stuff I had been told weeks before
white kindle
well yeah it's bad but people are making it out to be way worse
lean shard
god i cant believe george lucas casted his daughter in RoTS, nepotism strikes again
smh smh smh
wise star
Memelater strikes again
mint orbit
Like, sure show that scene as a reveal later on, but Osha put the mask on for a ...
Some of the editing for the end of episodes was jarring ngl. Like when they revealed Qimir, that episode had jank transitions
hot parrot
well yeah it's bad but people are making it out to be way worse
Yeah bcs anything disney put out is put under a microscope
mint orbit
Which is dumb
hot parrot
Why ?
white kindle
honestly a lot of Disney's recent stuff has been meh
hot parrot
Its the same deal for most big companies
white kindle
but a lot of Star Wars isn't the best in a way
mint orbit
Brb gonna point out every flaw in toy story and misused model. Pixar is multi billion dollars!!! I expect quality!!!
wise star
I also don't like those slow mo moments in the fights scenes
lean shard
nah the slow mo was kino
wise star
Disagree
mint orbit
Yeah I should ruin my experience over a small continuity error
white kindle
hell yeah
mint orbit
Hey whatz you know the way your blood got warm at the Leia scene in TLJ?
I got chills. Does that piss you off?
hot parrot
your experience should be already ruined from the mediocre acting
mint orbit
I hope it does.
wise star
Why do I need to see Sith guy jump in slow mo
mint orbit
your experience should be already ruined from the mediocre acting
It's star wars, all the acting is mid
lean shard
cos its cool
mint orbit
Been known
hot parrot
yes but we had Andor
hidden lake
Why do I need to see Sith guy jump in slow mo
It wasn't even a trailer shot what was the point
mint orbit
yes but we had Andor
And what is the biggest criticism of Andor?
white kindle
your experience should be already ruined from the mediocre acting
who besides Osha/Mae?
mint orbit
That it's not star wars lol
hot parrot
And what is the biggest criticism of Andor?
slow beginning ?
wise star
It wasn't even a trailer shot what was the point
Exactly, just show him jumping into another fight scene, no reason to slow it down
mint orbit
No because slow beginning is wrong
white kindle
Qimir was peak
hot parrot
But again Qimir was fucking peak and we would never had him without the acolyte
mint orbit
Qimir had the cringiest dialogue in the show wdym
hot parrot
I just hope s2 level up the game greatly
white kindle
the only person whose acting I didn't like too much was Vernestra's
hidden lake
Qimir had the cringiest dialogue in the show wdym
Marvel ass dialogue
hot parrot
Qimir had the cringiest dialogue in the show wdym
I dont deny that
lean shard
ngl tho the best bit was the lightsaber sparks hitting quimirs helmet while he was in the saber lock
wise star
I hope they don't focus on Mae/Osha for season 2
I thought they cancelled season 2?
mint orbit
Marvel ass dialogue
When the mf was passed out, and he's still acting edgy 💀
white kindle
never been officially said
mint orbit
NOBODY CAN HEAR YOUR DOGSHIT POEM
wise star
Oh I thought I saw it was confirmed
mint orbit
I thought they cancelled season 2?
Leslie was never approached about a s2
wise star
Tbf I didn't really read any of the internet shit about Acolyte
mint orbit
https://tenor.com/view/cortosis-acolyte-sith-qimir-helmet-gif-860243259169996826...
Give that VFX team a raise! (And more project time)
hot parrot
We obviously will get a s2
lean shard
we dont know either way for acolyte
hot parrot
The Plaguies camo is a dead giveaway
wise star
I assumed it'd be pure internet hate so I didn't really look it up outside of this channel
white kindle
I hope we get a S2 but I also wouldn't mind if we don't
hot parrot
they wouldnt greenlight it, if it had no followup
mint orbit
It'll get a S2 but most streaming platforms cut at 2 if it's not a golden goose
It'll 2 and done
white kindle
we need a show that'll focus on the Sith solely
lean shard
but given that danny is gonna be at SW celebration next year as a special guest, i'd expect maybe an announcement
hot parrot
QIMIR
hot parrot
coming 2026
white kindle
tbh, the ending of the show kinda screwed it over
mint orbit
Acolyte haters talking about bad writing when a sith simply trying to survive walks in:
white kindle
regarding canon status
lean shard
another 10 trillion to the acolyte
mint orbit
regarding canon status
What
white kindle
asuming Vernestra tells Yoda about the Sith
mint orbit
The whole point is that jedi were arrogant enough that they covered it up so hard even mundi didn't know sith ever existed
lucid glen
mint orbit
I wish people saw that point
lean shard
NUH UH THEY RETCONNED IT
wise star
Martian Manhunter was cool though
mint orbit
NUH UH THEY RETCONNED IT
How many times did you have to see me tell a mf to just wait?
And who was right
ME